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The Captain's Hand

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{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Adamas.jpg|300px]]
| Title= The Captain's Hand
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 17
| Guests=[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm0900599|Jeff Vlaming]]
| Story=
| Director=[[IMDB:nm0590790|Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= February 17 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,584
| Prev= [[Sacrifice]]
| Next= [[Downloaded]]
}}

== Overview ==

''When two Raptors go missing after a training mission, new ''Pegasus'' commander [[Barry Garner]] challenges Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]]'s orders by sending his battlestar directly into the rescue zone--and a trap.''

== Summary ==
*Two [[Raptor|Raptors]] begin a training mission outside [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], which is near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star]], causing [[Dradis|DRADIS]] and communications interference. Shortly after, contact with the Raptors is lost.

*On ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] and the deck crew are in the process of unloading containers, Chief Tyrol finds a pregnant teenager inside who asks for [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]].

*[[Lee Adama]], now promoted to Major, arrives as acting [[Executive officer|XO]] on the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', where he runs into [[Kara Thrace]]. Both report to Commander Garner in ''Pegasus''' [[CIC]]. Garner argues with now-Captain Thrace over the disappearance of the Raptors.

*[[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]] and Major Adama talk in private about the discipline on ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]''. Garner thinks that [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] is a huge part of the problem and that the virtues learned in his experience as an engineer would do the ship some good.

*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura_Roslin|President Roslin]] is hounded by her new aide, [[Tory Foster]], about preparing for the coming election. Elsewhere, [[Tom Zarek]] discusses the idea of presidency. He concedes he's not able to garner support, but is willing to support someone more popular: [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]].

*Back on ''Galactica'', Dr. [[Cottle]] & Admiral Adama discuss the fate of the young woman found in the container, [[Rya Kibby]]. Kibby mentions the fact that she doesn't want to keep the baby, but Admiral Adama (on request from the Gemenese delegate) is intent on sending her back to her family. Dr. Cottle suggests that she request asylum aboard ''Galactica''.

*News of Rya Kibby's asylum request raises a stir throughout the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]]. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] discusses the issue with Admiral Adama, Tory Foster, and Delegate [[Sarah_Porter|Sarah Porter]] from [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Gemonon|Gemenon]]. Delegate Porter states that abortion is a obscenity and demands that the girl be returned to her parents. Afterwards, President Roslin mentions she's not willing to even consider the idea of abortion, but Admiral Adama reminds her that their population must increase in order to survive.

*While reviewing the last transmissions from the Raptors, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] discovers the reason for the missing Raptors may be that they responded to a distress call. She attempts to bring this up with Commander Garner, who flatly rejects the theory. Additional search parties learn of the distress call that lured the first Raptors away. Commander Garner decides to start preparing the Pegasus for a Jump.

*Over [[wireless]], [[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]], Major Adama, and [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] discuss the missing Raptor situation. Commander Garner feels that ''Pegasus'' should [[FTL|Jump]] to bring home the missing crews and ships. While the Admiral and Major believe it may be a trip and orders a 5-Raptor recon mission to ascertain the training mission's fate.

*Garner orders a Jump despite Admiral Adama's orders. [[SAR]] Raptors at the rescue site find both Raptors, but the crews are dead. At that moment, three [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] ambush ''Pegasus'' with conventional and nuclear missile barrages seconds after their arrival.

*''Pegasus''' [[FTL]] drive is disabled. Garner attempts to determine the FTL failure's cause from CIC., but the Engineering crew are confused from the attack. Commander Garner heads down to Engineering to assess the damage, and transfers command of ''Pegasus'' to Major Adama. Adama orders ''Pegasus'' to target one of the Basestars with its forward batteries, severely damaging the basestar and buying them more time.

*Garner's successful repair of their FTL system allows ''Pegasus'' to escape. Commander Garner, however, dies in the process due to lack of oxygen.

*In [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] quarters, the Admiral and [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]] review the reports from the incident on ''Pegasus''. After discussing the late Pegasus commander, the Admiral offers his son the job of commanding ''Pegasus'', along with a promotion to Commander.

*[[Gaius Baltar]] proclaims his candidacy for President of the Colonies in the Presidential election in the midst of a press conference called by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] regarding abortion in the Fleet.

== Questions ==
*Would Adama allow Dr. Cottle to be arrested? From the episode, he is of the opinion that he would do what is necessary.
**Given that Cottle is the only real doctor left in the fleet, Adama may be hesitant to take such an action.
***This idea is supported by Cottle's behavior toward officers: Adama is the only one to whom he shows even marginal respect.
**Are there no doctors on Pegasus? If Cain had a large civilian fleet to recruit from, it is likely that she would have drafted some doctors into service.
*Was Baltar's report real, or was it just invented to produce the opportunity to drive his wedge?
**With the constant Cylon attacks to the Fleet (barring the unexpected return of ''Pegasus'') the population is almost always declining, as noted by Admiral Adama.
*Who will replace Baltar as Roslin's Vice President?
**Can Roslin actually pick another Vice President, under Colonial law, if Baltar refuses to resign? One of the reporters at the end actually directly asked if Baltar would remain as Vice President. Perhaps Roslin cannot forcibly remove Baltar from his office just because he's running aginst her.
***If Colonial law works similarly to American political protocol, Baltar was elected in his own right. For example, George Bush cannot force Dick Cheney to resign, only Mr. Cheney himself can elect to resign. Interestingly, 204 years ago, US President John Adams faced a similar situation: His own Vice-President, Thomas Jefferson, plotted Adams' political downfall.
*How will Zarek position himself in the Baltar campaign?
**It is likely that Zarek hopes to become Vice President himself.
***Does Zarek plan to have Baltar killed, as per his plan in "[[Colonial Day]]"?
****Zarek actually seems willing to make a beneficial alliance with Baltar, which Roslin would never agree to.
****Baltar may be a political novice but he's no fool; he would spot that a mile away. In fact, Baltar specifically asks Zarek what he (Zarek) would want in return. Zarek gave a diplomatic answer rather than openly ask for the VP slot.
*Will Tigh accept the fact that Lee Adama now outranks him and has command of a ship? Or does Saul have no interest in command and already told Admiral Adama that before the posting was offered to Lee?
**As mentioned in "[[Scattered]]," Col. Tigh was never really interested in commanding a battlestar.
***Fleet protocols, as in the real-world US Navy and other naval services around the globe, would require Tigh, as the senior officer to take command, as he did when Adama was incapacitated.
****This is true for an intra-ship command structure, but if other qualified officers were available, Col. Tigh probably had the privilege to pass up the command of ''Pegasus,'' citing XO's prerogative (or something similar).
*What will happen to Rya, now that she had been granted asylum on ''Galactica''?
*Why was Lee promoted straight from Major to Commander? Can a Colonel not be placed in command of a battlestar for long-term purposes?
**No. Colonel [[Jack Fisk]] was promoted to Commander of ''Pegasus'' before his death. It appears to be something of a rank nomenclature formality, as Garner was promoted up from being head of engineering. Compare to the [http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Captain established terminology convention] on ''Star Trek'' for always referring to the commanding officer of a ship as "Captain", even if that officer does not hold that specific rank.
***The use of "captain" is done in real life as well. In the US Navy, a person in the command of a vessel is referred to as "Captain" even if his actual rank is Lieutenant Commander, Ensign or even if he/she is a Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO).
*Had Garner been serving as XO to ''Pegasus's''' previous commander, the late [[Jack Fisk]]?
*Does the fact that the Cylons had such a large force waiting to ambush ''Pegasus'' indicate that they have a new [[Resurrection Ship]] in place?
**Given that there were three basestars in wait, it is more likely that the Cylons opted on surprise and sheer numbers to succeed. Still, ''Pegasus'' caused one basestar to retreat, despite being outnumbered. It is likely that the ''lack'' of a Resurrection Ship resulted in the basestar's retreat.
**Before, the Cylons were confident in making a frontal assault on a battlestar with a single basestar, in "[[Scattered]]", etc. They are markedly ''less'' confident now.
*How does the double layer flight pod system on ''Pegasus'' operate? Just before the battlestar jumps away from the ambush, there is a short sequence of Vipers returning to the ship that shows them landing on two distinct levels of the flight pod, with Vipers landing on the lower level being upside down with respect to ''Pegasus''. Both the Colonials and Cylons obviously have some form of artifical gravity on their spacecraft, so this explains why such an arrangement is possible.
**For more on the use of artificial gravity, see the article, [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]].
*How could abortion be legal and established throughout the colonies despite being against the religious views of at least one planet? Was it introduced only recently?
**Abortion may have been illegal or tightly-curtailed on that one planet. How much power did the Colonial political structure give to individual planets or smaller geographic areas?
***On present day Earth, there are several countries which have legalized abortion, but which have fundamentalist internal regions/cultural subgroups which frown upon it. The Twelve Colonies were ruled by a federal system, not a loose confederation adhering to princiles of States' Rights, etc.; the majority view in the federal government could probably enforce such laws on member worlds.
*What kind of equipment is available to fix small breaches such as the one in the "Pegasus" Engine room?
** [[Helo]] uses a hand-held pressure pad to seal a minor breach in the damaged Raptor during the [[Miniseries]] right after he recives his leg wound. Would such a device not help here?
***Maybe not all hull breaches are small enough to fix that way.
***There may not have been time to patch it, the ship was under heavy fire and could be destroyed at any moment; Restoring the FTL drive was the priority.

== Analysis ==
*When Baltar announces his candidacy for the Presidency, Number Six applauds with a slow clap. This action runs in parallel to how then-Commander William Adama led the entire crew in a long, drawn-out slow clap in respect of President Roslin when she was re-instated to her office in "[[Home, Part II]]".
*Survivor count is decremented by six from "[[Sacrifice]]", but seven people died in that episode - terrorists [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]] and [[Chu]], two unnamed marines, and civilian [[Billy Keikeya]]. At least one birth must have taken place to offset the population count between the two episodes.
*Based on the ''[[Colonial One]]'' whiteboard seen toward the end of the episode, only five people died as a result of the ambush on ''Pegasus'': [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]], [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]], the unnamed crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]].
**This casualty figure is conspicuously low, considering that ''Galactica'' lost 85 crewmen as the result of a hit by a single nuclear missile in the [[miniseries]], while ''Pegasus'' is hit with no less than three in this episode.
**On the other hand, it is at least consistent with the surprisingly low number of casualties incurred in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], and may indicate that the hull armor on ''Pegasus'' is significantly stronger than on ''Galactica'', which has many conspicuously bare structural ribs.
**There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'', only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties were caused by the decision to vent the spreading fire rather than from the actual impact of the missile.
*In the course of this episode's timeline, [[Lee Adama]] rises from the rank of Captain (CAG of ''[[Galactica]]'') to Major (No details are given on that posting except Adama was assigned to [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]), to Commander and CO of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] in the wake of Commander [[Barry Garner|Barry Garner's]] death saving his ship.
**Major Adama's duty was intended as a temporary stint as ''Pegasus'' acting XO, to familiarize himself with the duties of a senior officer. In the opening scene, he tells [[Anastasia Dualla]] that he expects to return to ''Galactica'' "in a couple of weeks".
*Garner's decision to mount a rescue operation in contravention of his commanding officer's orders is an explicit parallel to "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", down to the choice of words:
:'''Adama:''' "I'm getting my men."
:'''Garner:''' "I'm going to get our men."
*Kara Thrace's posting is finally clarified in this episode: she is now serving as CAG on ''[[Galactica]]''.
**She was transferred to ''Pegasus'' in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and then promoted to that ship's CAG over [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]". In "[[Epiphanies]]", it is made clear that Lee Adama regained his posting as ''Galactica's'' CAG. In "[[Epiphanies]]", Thrace is seen piloting one of ''Galactica's'' Mk. II Vipers with Kat; in "[[Scar]]" she is serving on Galactica, and appears to have assumed the majority of Adama's responsibilities as CAG, although she still takes orders from him.
**During this episode it's mentioned that she's only been on board ''Pegasus'' for four days before getting thrown in the brig, so clearly she isn't ''Pegasus's'' CAG any longer. Thus, despite the great esteem Cain held her in (she was the second speaker at Cain's funeral, after Jack Fisk), it seems clear that she was removed from her position on ''Pegasus'' sometime after Cain's death.

== Notes ==
*Timeline-wise, Baltar says that he made an initial projection of the fleet's population "over seven months ago". This would have been before the arrival of ''Pegasus'', since he said he factored in the arrival of her crew subsequently.
*Baltar states that he added the crew of the ''Pegasus'' into his calculations, with the result of the end of the human race within 18 years at current attrition rates.
*It has been "almost a month" since Apollo was shot in "[[Sacrifice]]".
*The recap at the beginning of this episode includes two scenes that did not actually appear in any previous episode, but were constructed by redubbing existing footage.
**The scene where Colonel Tigh and Admiral Adama discuss Garner's promotion is constructed from the scene in "Black Market" when Adama and Tigh are telling Apollo to go to ''Pegasus'' on the hangar deck. The scene has been cleverly redubbed, so that Adama is saying entirely new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Tigh'' (not at Adama's face), and then Tigh says new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Adama''.
**The same technique is used when Baltar is talking to Gina: when the camera is pointed at Baltar, we hear [[Gina]] saying "You must betray Roslin and run for President in the upcoming election", but this was never heard in the aired version of "[[Epiphanies]]".
*Capt. [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] is still onboard ''Pegasus'', mentioned by Capt. Thrace as being in the brig for insubordination.
*The adjectival form of "Gemenon" is "Gemenese".
*Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents.
*[[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]].
*The coolant pressure gauges on ''Pegasus'' measure in PSI, presumably [[Wikipedia:Pound-force per square inch|Pound-force per square inch]]. This is consistant with the use of customary units on the Viper Mk. II's [[Altimeter]], seen in "[[Act of Contrition]]".
*This is the fourth episode of the season in which [[Grace Park]] has not appeared as [[Sharon Valerii]].
*Writer Jeff Vlaming references [[Wikipedia:William Shakespeare|Shakespeare]]'s "[[Wikipedia:The Merchant of Venice|The Merchant of Venice]]" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh".
*Sharon warned Admiral Adama in the previous episode, "[[Sacrifice]]", that the Cylons might try to lay ambushes near some pulsar stars ahead of their position, due to dradis interference.
*Based on the promo images for the episodes, it appears that in a deleted scene, Rya tried to kill herself by overdosing on pills when she was told she couldn't have an abortion, and she had to be resuscitated.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Following the Cylon ambush of '''Pegasus''' and the death of Commander Garner
:'''[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]]''': In your opinion, off the record, what was Garner's flaw?
:'''[[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama]]''': He was used to working with machines. Command is about people.
:'''Admiral Adama''': Remember that, as you take command of "The Beast" ([[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]). Garner was my decision; His failures, my responsibility. Don't let me fail a second time. Congratulations, Commander.

*Responding to President Roslin's decision to criminalize abortion:
:'''[[Gaius Baltar|Vice-President Baltar]]''': It is true in the light of recent events, the President may have lost support in some quarters. I would ask the people to understand that if this is an extreme decision, we live in extreme times. The decision has been made with good faith. I, however, cannot with good conscience support it. I am so sorry, Madame President, but the Cylon have no understanding the meaning of the word "freedom". How could they? They're programmed...machines. Every time you take away one of our freedoms, every time we restrict or curtail one of our rights, we become one step closer to being like them. As the Vice-President, I am bound to follow the administration's lead; As President, I should have no such strictures. Given the current situation, I'm afraid that I have no alternative but to announce that I am, as of now, a candidate for the Presidency.

=== Guest Stars ===

*[[IMDB:nm0001334|John Heard]] as Commander [[Barry Garner]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Aaron+Douglas Aaron Douglas] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*Brad Dryborough as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*Christian Tessier as [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
*Amber Rothwell as [[Rya Kibby]]
*Kavan Smith as Lt. [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2015903/ Stephanie von Pfetten] as Cpt. [[Marcia Case|Marcia "Showboat" Case]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Patricia+Idlette Particia Idlette] as [[Sarah Porter]]
*Aaron Pearl as Ensign [[Abel Thornton]]
*Christina Schild as [[Playa Palacios]]
*Tammy Hui as ECO [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]]
*James Bell as Lt. [[Steve Fleer|Steve "Red Devil" Fleer]]
*Kurt Max Runte as Ensign Charles Bellamy
*Kimani Ray Smith as Pegasus Sergeant

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Talk:The Captain's Hand/Archive 1

2006-02-20T03:11:55Z

Bane Grievver: /* Casualties */

==Episode Impressions==

Well I think that was a damn good episode, a good improvement over some of the previous episodes. Tricky for some article editing but overall I know you guys will do a great job on the page. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:02, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:Not bad at all. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:05, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::I agree. Some tense moments, and the Baltar announcement kinda threw me for a second, but overall a refresing change of pace. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::Great Episode I thought. The abortion debate was an fascinating piece of art imitating life in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how this pans out as the show continues. --[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:55, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: With the last few episodes, I was becoming increasingly disillusioned with the apparently magical powers of RDM and his writing team. This episode is more like what I (and, I think, we all) have come to expect from Galactica. [[User:Shred|Shred]] 13:47, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Not ANOTHER Commander! ==

This episode was topnotch, yes. But this leaves us wikipedians with a bit of a problem. Enter "Commander Adama" and you get William Adama. We'll need a disambig for this new change. Betting that Lee's promotion is temporary, of course. And, for me at least, there's the matter of the new commander living long enough--Pegasus goes through commanders now like I go through a bag of cookies. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:08, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:Perhaps maybe the Pegasus will be around longer than we thought? [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Or maybe we'll have another Adama cliffhanger, this time with Lee... -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Methinks those nuke hits will come back to haunt them (especially with the nuke Baltar took coming into play) and Adama will go for either, a) another space walk when the Pegasus goes boom or b) He will be aboard Galactica laughing at Tigh for still being a Colonel. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)

Personally, as a US Navy vet, I think this was a huge breach in protocol. Granted, I'm loving the show and plotwise it's a good move, the reality of it is that if anything, Tigh would have been promoted to Commander (and probably should have been after the ''Pegasus'' lost its two seniormost officers) and '''perhaps''' Lee promoted to Colonel as the XO. Obviously, there was the huge flareup from when Tigh had command of the fleet, but even still, as XO of ''Galactica'', it should have went to him.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:19, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I agree with you, and it might make for some good Tigh material later on, with him and Ellen being pissed off for being passed over. But I think because of the reactions he got within the fleet, there would be more trouble then its worth. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Pretty much what I was thinking as well, especially since ADM Adama and Tigh go way back, so he'll probably see this as a major snub. So again, as a plot issue, I think it works. But I think the whole thing probably could have been handled a bit more realistically. But that's just me. ^_^;;;--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:25, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Hey, all! New here. And same thoughts here, but not just from Tigh, but maybe from the fleet. Kara didn't seem to care one way or another (or, at least, didn't voice it), but I think some might be extremely angry that Lee went from Major to Commander in a month. [[User:Michael|Michael]] 23:29, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::::As much as it was a breach in protocol, [[Saul_Tigh|Col. Tigh]] might not be miffed as bad as everyone thinks. Recall from [[Scattered]], that he really wasn't interested in "the big chair". I'm thinking that Ellen may have the larger issue of the two. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:41, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::::True, but there is still the matter of OPLANs, NAVREGs (or whatever serves for the fleet). It was as much rules and regulations - some of the stuff that ADM Adama is supposed to adhere to, especially during wartime - as Tigh's preferences. Granted, I'm probably reading a bit much of real-world influences into this, and I understand that they did it for the plot, but again, I really expect some backlash to happen, both on-screen and somewhat amongst the really, really nitpicky fans. Like me. ^_- --'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:54, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:::::The passing over of Colonel Tigh for the post of ''Pegasus'' Commander needs to be addressed at a later time I believe. Either he was offered the position and passed, his attitude to receiving a command as stated in "Scattered" was well known to Admiral Adama and he knew the offer of promotion would be rejected or Admiral Adama decided he needed him where he was...Hopefully this will be addressed in a later episode. A throwaway line from Admiral Adama to Colonel Tigh such as "Im glad you stayed" or "You know it was yours if you wanted it" would wrap it up and end this speculation! :)--[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Was Apollo promoted to Commander or simply given command of the Pegasus and stayed at the rank of Major ?. After all it is possible to be the Captain (and referred to as the Captain) of a ship without holding the rank of Captain. Maybe the same thing holds for the Commander designation. Although being given the pips does confuse things but it does seem strange that he jumped almost two command ranks in one go. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 02:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

: Just some thoughts. By its very nature the command structure of the Fleet must be looser than it would be in "normal" circumstances. Seniority has become less important than fitting individuals to function. Tigh has shown himself to be in some ways a superior XO, one upon whom Adama depends. Also, I would maintain that Tigh depends no less upon Bill Adama in order to function. But I wonder if any other "cross-pollenization" of battlestar crews might be wise. [[User:Zahir|Zahir]] 11:57, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Apollo was indeed promoted to the rank of Commander Rexpop. Personally, since I haven't read the Articles of Colonial Field Promotions...or whatever...I can't say that Lee's promotion was in breach of any protocol...maybe IRL it would be...but in the RDM universe, who knows.
Personally I think that the promotion to Commander reflects Apollos actions. He assumed command of the Pegasus when she was allready faceing 3 Basestars, with potentially up to 2,400 Raiders, and the Pegasus allready heavily damaged...and he was able to not only pull it out of the fire and escape, but heavily damaged/crippled one Basestar in the process. I'd say that he deserves the promotion to Commander. --[[User:Strato|Strato]]

On further thought it makes sense that Lee was probably the only viable candidate in fleet. The reasoning is as follows:

First up lets identify the potential candidates that we know about on Galactica. After the attack the command staff on Galactica was Adama, Colonel Tigh, Captain Kelly, Major Cottle and Lee. There are no other senior officers that we know about and given that Captain Kelly was second officer its unlikely there were others.

On Pegasus things are a little more vague. We know that Fisk was a Colonel and that Garner was not a command officer but the chief engineer so its likely that he held at least the rank of Major. With both officers gone it is likely the highest command officer left on Pegasus was probably no higher than the rank of Major. And given that Pegasus was in for a refit at the time of the attack it was likely that like Galactica the ship was light on senior officers.

So at the end we are left with four candidates that we the audience knows about. Tigh, Lee, Cottle and Kelly. Tigh has made it clear that he doesn't want command and Adama would likely pass him over due to his personal issues with the bottle. Cottle would probably not be considered due to not being a command officer and the lack of doctors in the fleet.

Kelly is a good candidate and is probably on a par with Lee, but where Lee wins out over Kelly is that Kelly doesn't have experience in commanding a Battlestar, only as an XO. Admittedly Lee only has one engagement under his belt, but he was thrown into the fire and came out singed but intact. Kelly doesn't have that so that puts Lee ahead. So under the circumstances (and the limited pool to draw on) Lee is pretty much is the best candidate that we know about for the job.

Now the only question that I have is why hasn't Kelly been made first officer of the Pegasus ?. It would seem that he would be a natural choice given that it was strongly hinted in the mini-series that he was in line for a promotion to a first officer position after his tour of duty was over. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 14:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:Don't forget that Cain had already had her first XO executed, so Col. Fisk had probably been promoted from a lower rank already. As for Kelly vs. Lee Adama, it's not entirely clear which of them have seniority. Lee was under arrest when Kelly was acting as Tigh's XO. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==Survivor Count==
The survivor count went down by six even though we saw seven deaths in the last episode. This could be explained by the well established fact that cylon deaths do not result in a dropping of the count. It has long been speculated that [[Billy|Billy]] is/was a cylon. If this is true it would explain the loss of only six from the count. That said, it is also possible, even probable that there was a birth. In the podcast for [[Sacrifice|Sacrifice]] it is said that Billy was killed off just because the actor portraying him wished to pursue other projects. Thoughts?--[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:30, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:No, for two reasons: One, we actually saw the White Board of Death to confirm numbers, Two: occasionally there are births in the fleet which make the number go up slightly. Although this could never account for the sudden, unexplained gain of 50 people at a time or something, it does go to explain why sometimes there are episodes where a lot of people die, but the survivor count doesn't drop that much.
--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I don't understand what you're saying. Im not disputing the numbers, im giving a possible explination for why the number went down by only six when we see seven people (pehaps one of them a cylon) dying in the previous episode. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 03:37, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Seven people die on screen. 2 more die off screen. 3 babies are born off screen. We don't hear about these second two events, but they still ''happen'', and when we see the renewed survivor count, it's a ''Net'' loss of six, and so forth. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Whether Billy is a Cylon is not an issue for the Survivor Count (fleet population). President Roslin wouldn't yet be aware, so it would not be a factor in the population count, and therefore to mention the speculation about Billy wasn't really relevant. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 04:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Yeah thats a good point that the president wouldnt know, youre right. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 21:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Tigh and Seniority ==

In the questions, I wonder if the reference to Tigh's "seniority" is even relevent. This isn't a situation analogous to the time (now-Admiral) Adama was shot because in that case, Tigh was the most senior officer PERIOD, and here now Tigh is, of course, not. Adama, as the ranking flag officer (Admiral, if not Commander, and up), presumably has the authority to make promotions as he sees fit. While I'm sure anyone would agree that the promotion of Lee to Commander was unusual, does anybody really think promoting Tigh would have seemed like a good idea to anyone in the fleet? Just curious. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 05:31, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't see the fuss: Col. Tigh himself has stated repeatedly that he does not want a command of his own, and only wants to work as a team with William Adama. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 05:39, 18 February 2006 (EST)

BTW; a note on units: someone mentions that "40 SU" is a long distance away in space for Pegasus. I think that must mean "Stellar Unit", as opposed to our standardized "Astronomical Unit (AU)" (distance from Earth to the sun).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:01, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Pegasus Technology / Technicalities ==
=== Landing Strips & Weaponry ===

Amazing Battle Sequence in this episode. It was nice to finally get to see Pegasus retake her Vipers via both the upper and lower Landing strips.
when I first saw her from this angle http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Pegasus01.jpg I suspected she had 4 landing strips, and now that I have seen them in use, I feel vindicated. What do we know if anything about the 2 Bough Battery's Pegasus was firing at the middle Basestar? The shells seem to be the same size or larger than a viper?--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

:Also, the fact that one of them is inverted confirms that the colonials can maniuplate artificial gravity fields selectively. This was suspected from some shots of the botanical cruiser with a few domes upside down, but this is more explicit and a more extreme difference (the two strips are back to back). --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 17:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't think we could really tell what was upside down or not; I got the impressing that they were just flipping the ''camera angle'' to show that Pegasus was flipping around; more detail when we get the DVDs.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:From what I saw, half of the Vipers rotated to land on the bottom two Pegasus decks. Starbuck was clearly upside down. It can also be seen that Vipers landing on lower deck of the flight pod were rotating to land from the Vipers landing on the upper deck. This is the first time we see that all Viper's land on opposite sides of the same surface. I'm wondering how they are going to explain or show that the gravity is opposite from the rest of the ship.--[[User:Jedivulcan|Jedivulcan]]

::I hope they don't bother. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:10, 18 February 2006 (EST)

They haven't yet explained how they crerate Artificial Gravity onboard the ships yet...I assume its some sort of gravplating...or something...as usual its one of those suspension of disbelief things you just have to kind of accept (for that matter how do they prevent people from flaoting in Zero G in the Raptors?), but the Pegasus clearly has 4 Landing Strips,a nd uses them, there is no need to wait "for the DVD's". For Viper Raptor landings however, they don't relie on Artificial Gravity, they land their skids on magnetic "traps".--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

::See the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article for discussion on artificial gravity. I'm betting more on magnetism on this: Why? Watch the [[Miniseries]], when ''Colonial Heavy 798'' first docks on ''Galactica'' for the decomissioning ceremonies. You'll see two spacesuited workers who are ''floating'' while they're working. If this was gravity, these guys would NOT float. Doesn't give us a direct answer, but it eliminates "selective" gravity adjustments. Confirm this with how the Vipers make combat landings; they bounce a lot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:20, 18 February 2006 (EST)

=== Class Capability ===

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section: 
: [[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]]. 
I felt this statement was superfluous and unneeded, since ''Mercury''-class Battlestars '''''cannot''''' retract their flight pods before jumping to FTL; it's not a question of needing to or not. The design of the ''Mercury''-class is closest to the original (original series) model, with fixed flight pods and external hull plating and lines. Why TPTB included retractable/deployable flight pods on ''Galactica's'' class is anyone's guess — it's a neat feature, both visually and stylistically — but I don't think it's necessary to the performance of the FTL drive. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 20:29, 18 February 2006 (EST)
: I could see the retractable flight pods on the ''Galactica'' type used to make a sealed enviroment when closed to create an atmosphere on the deck. I would say it could logically allow a way for people to disembark larger craft like ''Colonial One'' when they dock, however its been proven that craft like that use an airlock gantry way for that purpose. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:43, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm restoring this. We may have suspected that Pegasus can't and/or doesn't retract its flight pods, but before this episode, but we didn't ''know''.--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:48, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== "Property"? ==

I'm a little sketchy on current United States legal terminology, but they said that "Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents"--->Is the term "property" used by the United States, or any Western nation for that matter? I don't know. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:03, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:Under United States law, no, minors are not property. In practical terms, the situation is a little more complicated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:09, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I do not understand. Further, how could she be "property"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:13, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:::In theory, children are absolutely not "property" under united states law, which grants equal protection not only to all citizens ''of'' the United States, but to all ''persons'' ''within'' the United States. In practice, legal guardians have a wide range of authority over their charges. Of particular relevance to this episode, some jurisdictions require minors to notify their parents prior to an abortion. A friend of mine who sued for emancipation from her parents has told me that in her opinion, there's little practical distinction between the status of an legal minor and "property". I suspect it's a matter of perspective, really. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:40, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== "To Be, or Not... To Be" ==

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section:
: [[Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'' when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear if analogues of his work exist in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]].

I think that the phrase "pound of flesh" has become quite familiar in modern culture and literary circles, such that it really doesn't warrant significance in citing. It has been used in countless movies and TV episodes without citation (not that I think a phrase can be copyrighted to such an extent), and I haven't seen the writers of ''Law & Order'' state, "Yeah, we intentionally alluded to Shakespeare, and wanted the lawyer to give that impression that he was alluding to Shakespeare when he said it in court". Yes, I'm probably going to an extreme, but really, this is just a case of a scriptwriter putting this phrase into the script, and almost certainly has '''''nothing''''' to do with whether or not Shakespeare is familiar to The Colonies. This isn't the Klingons quoting ''Hamlet''. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 21:45, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm also restoring this. The phrase may have a more general meaning, but it is impossible not to make the association with Shakespeare when hearing it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:52, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: I stand by my original action, more so than the other removal I undertook. It is excessive "over-think" to assume (or, create the assumption) that everything spoken in the dialogue must have explanation in or correlation to "canon" terms. "Pound of flesh" is a term, a phrase, plain and simple... and while its origin ''here'' is attributed to Shakespeare, it ''does not mean'', nor imply, that Shakespeare exists in this storyline, or that Shakespeare was somehow influenced by Colonial writing, or that Shakespeare is, or could be, or should be, any part of this storyline. This storyline and Shakespearean writing are completely exclusive of each other, with the exception being, perhaps, that writers here may take dramatic or stylistic cues from Shakespeare (or any other classes of writers). Hey, they're only Human too. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:06, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::Look, in general, I agree with you that it's not desirable to read too much into things - no, the freighter "greenleaf" is not a Legolas reference, for example. This, however, is very clear. I am going to restore it again for now, and I would like you to leave it be until at least a few others weigh in. At that point, I will be happy to abide by consensus. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 19 February 2006 (EST)

I stand with Farago. Utterly. Two to one, motion stands.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:01, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Please remember that, when content is disputed due to interpretation ([[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|as opposed to sources]]), our policy is to generally leave the item ''within the article'' and to work here on Talk (as done) to gain consensus before leaving the item in permanently. If consensus cannot be reached, one of the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&username= Administrators] here (or other contributor) can call for a vote. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:17, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: Perhaps a compromise can be reached. I adjusted the statement slightly to be more ambiguous. I'm not against the mention of a snippet or insight like this — but, I'm completely opposed to extending an insight into speculation, especially when it involves linking to or placement in the ''canon'' storyline. The contributor who first placed that statement (Alphaboi867) hasn't "shown up" to defend it, and I strongly feel that the original phrasing of it is ungrounded speculation that is linking Shakespeare to the storyline, where no such link has been indicated by TPTB to exist. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:''Hawke suggests:''
The script for [[Laura Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'', when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear as to if the writers are somehow placing Shakespeare's work into the story of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], or if this is just a random "use of phrase" by an inspired scriptwriter.

:This seems verbose. Just stating that she's quoting shakespeare shouldn't imply any position on whether or not he exists in the BSG universe. How about simply stating this in notes:
::[[Laura Roslin]] quotes Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when she tells [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] that she's gotten her "pound of flesh".
:And, if we feel the need to discuss the implication of this quotation, doing so under Analysis. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:10, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: I would be agreeable to this, so long as it is prefaced with "The script (or dialogue) for [[Laura Roslin]]... (rest of your statement)". I know I'm dicing onions, but I think it's ''crucial'' that there is no implication that Shakespeare exists in The Colonies ''unless'' or ''until'' it is substantiated further. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:19, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::"Writer Jeff Vlaming references Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh."? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::: That works fine, in my opinion. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:28, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Councillor -> Delegate ==
I changed the instances of Councillor to Delegate per [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Character_Titles|Article 3 Section 1 of the Standards and Conventions]]. If events occur such that we need to reevaluate the standard title for members of the Quorum, we should probably take it over to the talk at S&C (so that it will be applied everywhere). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:46, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==How much is too much?==

I know this was brought up in another episode of the season, in that we should be mindful of how much information is provided for each episode. For the information that's being provided in summary, how much should we include? Some veteran input would be greatly appreciated. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 15:32, 19 February 2006 (EST)
:I agree that this needs concision badly, and separation between the "A" and "B" plots. Try to stick to the rough outlines of the plot, and save salient details for Notes. Be bold. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:49, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::Well I edited a fair bit, taking out some extra explanations. I think we have to look at these summaries as more of a sports recap the day after the game rather then a play-by-play of the whole episode. I think more time should be spent on individual pages (Eg. Lee Adama) rather then explanation what happens to him in detail in the episode. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:33, 19 February 2006 (EST)
::: Oh and my apologies to Peter Farago for removing his notable dialogue stuff, had an older copied and pasted version which overwrote your stuff, D'oh!! --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:36, 19 February 2006 (EST)
:::No. Wrong. It is more convenient/efficient to describe/question/analyze events in an episode, within that episode's own page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 20:11, 19 February 2006 (EST)
::::Yeah, I think his point is that it's only worth doing if the points are interesting. This is not a transcript, we don't need a blow-by-blow of each quivering facial expression that plays out on Bamber and Sakhoff's faces in any given scene. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:19, 19 February 2006 (EST)
::::: Aye, exactly. Thanks for clarifying! Also, it might be easier to just throw it on the episode page, but in the end it has to be done on the character/object/whatever page so why not spend more time putting there instead. (Eg. Apollo getting shot can be mentioned on the episode, but it will have to go on Apollo's page anyway, so no point in being overly descriptive. --22:08, 19 February 2006 (EST)

==Casualties==

Rexpop writes:
:There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'' , only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties occurred during the venting of the fire and was largely due to the conflicting damage control orders given by Kelly, Tyrol and Tigh rather than the actual impact of the missile.

I don't think either of these points bears up to scrutiny. As to the first, I'm willing to wait until next friday, but I can almost promise you that the count won't be pushed any lower - we thought something similar after the surprisingly low casualty count between "Valley of Darkness" and "Fragged", but no other deaths were added on later.

As for the second point, that's simply not the case - Tigh knew that if he waited for the repair crews to evacuate, the fuel lines would blow, and Adama not only backed up his decision but said that he'd have made the same one in his place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:It would have been amusing if they did blow and the series ended right there. I dunno what we'd be watching in its place, but there's probably plenty of ideas floating around. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 22:11, 19 February 2006 (EST)

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Bane Grievver:

==Zarek Rocks==

Thanks a lot for the advice. I'm still trying to figure out all of the intricacies of this wiki thing. Hopefully I don't look like too much of a newb, lol.

== Viper Ref. Numbers ==

are you going to do a list of the viper numbers since you have done one of the raptors and put them on offensive arment page?

:I'll be happy to, if you can tell me which episodes to look in. I can't remember hearing any Vipers being identified numerically in the series. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:19, 12 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Most of the Viper numbers are likely to come from the DRADIS closeups, if anything else. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:25, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

::: you can find a lot of viper reference numbers in the mini series e.g. viper 450 etc

:::: To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that keeping track of individual vipers is going to be a very interesting endeavor. The raptors are at least countable - there are probably no more than ten - so it makes some sense to keep track of them on an individual basis. As far as the vipers go, it would seem sufficient just to give a simple headcount (currently 35, assuming none were destroyed off-screen in "[[Scattered]]"). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:33, 17 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:::::I've started a few more articles on individual vipers, if the OP is still around/interested. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:40, 13 December 2005 (EST)

== RTFF? ==

Hi Peter. Is RTFF an acronym for what I believe it is? If so, please refrain from using it in the edit summaries, if only out of civility. Thanks! :-)

:Rag-Tag Fugitive Fleet. What did you think the second "F" stood for? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:56, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:: Interesting acronym. :-) I was being a bit paranoid there, given that's an acronym for [http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp%3Facronym%3DRTFF&ei=6bb-QuXIK4_04QHU2rg8 some other things as well]. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:15, 13 Aug 2005 (EDT)

== Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies ==
In your work you state that Gaius Baltar may have an interest only in white women. If you remember, Gaius was caught in bed with an East Asian woman in the miniseries by Number Six. -QuintusCinna

:Good Catch, thank you. Six also intimated that he had some interest in Boomer. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:26, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

==12 Colonies of Kobol Standards==
I know, it sounds a little over eager. I took several zoom in snap shots of the 12 banners both in the mini-series and also in Colonial Day. These are definitely the icons and the colors. Icon was a name used and so far the planet relative to Libra has not been mentioned. This is the only colony I find debatable. Certain colonies may not go with certain standards such as Aquarius or Leonis. I made this with flash in between my summer graduate classes. If you would like to use it, I don't mind- just give me credit. [http://magellannarfe.com/bsgflags.jpg link]

:Wow, these are really excellent. I've been thinking about creating something like this myself, but I'm glad you've beaten me to the punch. What format are the originals in, some kind of vector package?

:I note that in the scene we're discussing, Wenutu and Sanne appear to be over different flags than usual. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:18, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::QuintusCinna = Yes, these are vector based using Flash. I've been having fun building a flash battlestar galactica encyclopedia, but was glad to see you already had this even though my flash stuff was nearly finished. If you pay attention to the flags behind, they are all at random placements and that they are placed differently than that of the miniseries' memorial at the end. I played with the idea that the memorial's flags were in order of when they were nuked while the flags on Cloud Nine were placed in order of their signing the Articles of Colonization. It's purely guess though. Note that in Colonial Day, the Sagittaron flag is at the farthest right while Tom Zarek is somwhere in the middle. This clearly shows to me there is no relation between the flags' placements and the delegates sitting.

:::A few thoughts:
:::If you want these images to be used to their fullest, it would be best to output them as high-resolution anti-aliased PNGs. The wiki software can scale them down for use in individual pages, and we could place them along the right-hand side of the relevant articles.
:::Question 1: Is Libra's colony is really called "Icon"? Where did you see this? I can't remember if Libron or Libris or whatever has been mentioned out loud in the series yet. What's your take?
:::Question 2: I could swear that the symbol on the side of Galactica was also on one of the flags, which I assumed to be Caprica because of the historical association. Was I just making it up?
:::Question 3: In your opinion, do the icons on the colonial flags bear any resemblance to the constellations they replaced (according to [[Home, Part II]]? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:01, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::QuintusCinna:
::::PNG? I never thought of that. I have them uploaded in gif for the time being. This can always change.
::::Question 1: I have not seen any information telling me there is a colony called Libra as of yet though I have watched each show probably about 7 times (I'm addicted). I'm still waiting. The Tomb of Athena did mention Libra, though. I do know that in the mini-series, Commander Adama or Laura Roslin said something like: "And the following colonies have been destroyed... Picon, Arelon, Sagittaron, Icon..." This isn't an exact quote but the subtitles even showed the word "ICON" which caught me off guard. The statement left an emphatic relation that it was more likely 1 of the 12 colonies instead of a moon like Trevor.
::::Question 2: The symbol on the side of Galactica is the flag for the 12 colonies unless I haven't been paying attention. It's like the US flag for the USA. In the center of the memorial flags at the end of the mini-series shows a black standard with the Phoenix icon in the middle and Battlestar Galactica BSG 75. This suggests to me that this is their symbol.
::::Question 3: I looked at the copy I have twice for Home, Part II and my copy is just way too dark. I would need to see better pictures to help me out because I'm not sure. I assume there would be a connection, especially since I remember Roslin saying Leo's constellation represents the flag of that tribe (which we can assume to be Leonis). Your pictures turn out so clear. I need to figure out how I can do the same.

:::::Excellent work. I think they look great on the colony articles. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:38, 28 August 2005 (EDT)

::::::I don't know the shapes of all 12 Zodiac signs off the top of my head (and maybe we should get some pictures of them in order to display along with these flags for others who want to compare this kind of thing), but Picon (aka Pices) is a couple of fish, usually one over the other, head to tail. I could see that symbol being derived from it. Also, Gemenon would be Gemini, the twins, which are usually depicted by something kind of like this: L7. Additionally, Scorpion looks like the symbol might have a tail with a stinger... Tauron's symbol '''could''' be a bull. Anyway, I think this indicates that at whatever points the flags were revised, the constelation symbols were replaced by a kind of updating or stylization of the original symbol. --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:41, 30 August 2005 (EDT)

:You said that Commander Adama in the miniseries said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, Picon, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high."
-That's actually incorrect according to the subtitles. According to the subtitles, the Commander said this: "Preliminary reports indicate a thermonuclear device of the 50 megaton range was detonated over Caprica City 30 minutes ago. Nuclear detonations have been reported on the planets Aerelon, ICON, Sagittaron and Gemenon. No reports on casualties, but they will be high." This is where Icon was shown to be listed. It could be a misspelling on their part, but I think you would find it fascinating. It is in the miniseries at 48:45. --[[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]] 1:29, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

::I haven't got the Miniseries DVD, but I'm certain that what I ''hear'' is "Picon". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:42, 16 October 2005 (EDT)

== Character Data ==

Did you (or someone, I guess) edit the Character Data template such that more fields will be rendered invisible when left blank? If so, neat! However, if it was you, could you add to the documentation on the template's discussion page? If it wasn't you, then sorry and maybe you can help me track down who did? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:43, 8 September 2005 (EDT)

:That was Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:35, 9 September 2005 (EDT)

==Test==

*321
*Test 123? Anything but that!

== Answer on Ellen Tigh Page ==

I've posted my thoughts on the use of naming on the Ellen Tigh page on the Standards and Conventions talk page as you requested. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:12, 14 September 2005 (EDT)

==Doing a Great Job==

I just wanted you to know you've been doing excellent work. I'll try to be careful on anything I change, and if I do, I will explain. [[User:QuintusCinna|QuintusCinna]]

Hah! [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions&curid=3447&diff=14318&oldid=14256 Nice edit]. I especially liked the addition of signing work. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:35, 23 September 2005 (EDT)

Once again, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Colonial_wireless_alphabet&curid=3775&diff=19779&oldid=19761 nice edit]. I had considered whether to do as you did or maintain alphabetical order and, in the end, just made an arbitrary choice. I neglected to weigh concision into the equation. I'm not known for being concise, though, so... At least I'm consistent. --[[User:Day|Day]] 12:50, 16 December 2005 (EST)

==New Messsage problem==
Hi, Peter. Do you still have that "new message" problem, with it not going away? It's still there for me, and I was wondering if you had any ideas for getting rid of it. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] 14:26, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Pictures==
Hi, if you need any more pictures, let me know and I will try to find it. Btw, great job, keep up the good work. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:Thank you. That was a timely addition. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:36, 30 September 2005 (EDT)

== My condolences... ==

I've nominated you on the whatsit page. So... Go accept it or decline it. That is all. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:08, 21 December 2005 (EST)

== Re: Welcome ==

Thank you greatly. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:56, 28 December 2005 (EST)

== Congrats! ==

Hi Peter! Just wanted to let you know that you are officially promoted to administrator! If you have any questions, feel free to ask them! Thank you and, again, congratulations! So say we all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:20, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:So say we all. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:37, 28 December 2005 (EST)

: So say we all! --[[User:Day|Day]] 22:15, 28 December 2005 (EST)

::Thanks, guys. Wow, look at all the pretty new tabs... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:33, 28 December 2005 (EST)

:Sic transit gloria mundi :) --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:40, 29 December 2005 (EST)

: So sez me too. Congratulations, Peter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:03, 29 December 2005 (EST)
::Congratulations. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 11:21, 29 December 2005 (EST)

:Congrats Peter --Zareck Rocks 00:48, 30 December 2005 (EST)

== Policy Page ==

Hey Peter, I wanted to ask for your help and advice on fixing the [[Policies]] page. I have been accumulating as many BSG Wiki policies into Category:Battlestar Wiki policies. In order to make the page as complete as possible I wanted to leave no gray areas by defining the word Policy, and list punishments for infringements against the set procedures. Is there anyway you can help me with reverting [[Policies]] to [[Battlestar Wiki:Policy]] and develop a list of possible punishments as well as how you can attain those punishments, set guidelines like:
:After leaving spoiler information out of spoiler tabs after being warned you get such and such punishment.
I know such an infringement would be very minor but I just want to make the rules as black and white as possible. I would be happy to collaborate with you in the Battlestar Wiki:Policy talk page to develop a list of rules/punishments. Joe told me on his user talk page to ask you for assistance with this minor project because you would be highly capable of the task. Thanks and congrats again on your promotion.--Zareck Rocks 00:59, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:Hrm. I don't necessarily think a set of rules/punishments is a terribly good idea. In my opinion, it's good to have our policies and guidelines set down in writing so that we can point new users to them, and have a general idea of pre-existing group consensus when disputes arise. It's important to keep in mind that our policies all reflect this consensus, and are not static - if a new user disagrees with a policy and argues pursuasively against it, it can (and should) be changed.
:For minor violations, I don't really see the use in "punishing" someone, when their error can simply be corrected and the errant user pointed to the relevant policy.
:In especially bad situations, it might be sensible to keep a log of a user's policy violations, which could be referred to in the event of a ban or RFA. For example, it certainly does not endear a user to me when they repeatedly post controversial or incorrect assertions without a source, but I see no need to revoke someone's privileges on account of such a thing. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:14, 30 December 2005 (EST)

== Twelve Colonies Link on you User Page ==
You have a link to "The Twelve Colonies" on your user page. This leads to the disambig page. If you'd change it to "The Twelve Colonies (RDM)", there won't be any more links directly to the disambig page anymore. Thanks. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:55, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:Fixed. Your zeal in this matter is admirable, albeit somewhat frightening. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:06, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::First the Twelve Colonies, and now the Cylons are next (followed shortly by the ''Pegasus''). Perhaps this is a result of all the time I've been spending over in the (TOS) regions (but was that the cause, or a warning sign...). Mostly I'd like to get caught up on all the special pages so that we can better identify when things need fixing. 600+ disambigs was overwhelming to wade through. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:17, 20 January 2006 (EST)

== Roger on that - Minor Edits ==

Just something I am so werid from Wikipedia. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 23:22, 20 January 2006 (EST)

==Crud==

Sorry, thanks for catching my bonehead misspelling of Roslin. I knew I picked the wrong day to quit drinking. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:13, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:No hard feelings. It's an increasingly common error that's been bothering me on a couple forums. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:17, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::Hey, I'm supposed to assume good faith, right? No hard feelings. If I screwed it up, I'm glad you called me on it. :)[[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 00:20, 21 January 2006 (EST)

== The/the Fleet ==

Re: [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Timeline_%28RDM%29&curid=2044&diff=26042&oldid=26014 diff]. Cool. It just needed a "the" at all, whether the T is big or little. There are a bunch of links, though, with the big T... Just keep you eye out, I guess. I'm thinking that's a lower priority than seeking out all the <nowiki>[[Last, First]]</nowiki> character links, for instance. ;) --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:40, 22 January 2006 (EST)

== IPA style ==

Peter, 
First of all, I admire your eloquent and insightful contributions, and your cool head in heated discussions. Kudos on both. 
Just in case you're not regularly checking the [[Template_talk:IPA|talk page for the IPA template]], I thought I'd post my query here as well, since you seem to have knowledge of said template: 
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (pronunciation)#IPA style|Wikipedia]] recomments placing a link before IPA text becuase the underscore makes reading the characters difficult. Is there a way to modify our template to comply? -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 16:50, 23 January 2006 (EST)

:Replied at [[Template talk:IPA]]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:06, 23 January 2006 (EST)

== Name change ==

Peter, is it possible for you to change my username? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 20:00, 27 January 2006 (EST)

:No, only someone with Bureaucrat-level priveleges can do that. You'll need to ask Joe. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:59, 27 January 2006 (EST)

== Sources for Virgon ==

When Starbuck leaves the brig and comes to the CIC, Tigh comments about a big fight "shaping up" in Virgon's orbit. 30 battlestars have been destroyed already. When we next hear about the condition of the Fleet, it's after the nuke crisis is over and the Atlantia has beem destroyed. Afterwards, we don't hear anything about engagements between the Fleet and the Cylon invasion force. If there were no gaps (like between the nuclear flash and Starbuck examining the damage), the Virgon battle could have been over within an hour This seems to indicate that the Colonial Fleet at this point has been obliterated. --[[User:mq59|mq59]] 01:35, 28 January 2006 (EST)

:Thank you for reminding me of that. I suppose we don't have to make an explicit note of that dialog. In the future, please post clarifications such as this to the relevant article's talk page - it will be easier for future editors to locate there. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:04, 28 January 2006 (EST)

== Quality Articles Reminder ==
I just wanted to remind you of [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Community Portal Content|this]] conversation. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:56, 5 February 2006 (EST)

==Re:[[Continuity errors (RDM)]]==

Thank you for addressing your concerns. I have taken the use of [[fumarello]] to be valid based on the two previous pages:

*In the [[Miniseries#Starbuck & Tigh's Card Fight|miniseries]] article:
:''The touch of classic Starbuck elements, i.e. the gambling and [[fumarello]] smoking, is a nice homage to the original that fits in nicely.''

*In the [[Kara Thrace#The Arrow of Apollo|Kara Thrace]] article:
:''There she digs up a stash of [[fumarello]]s, dons an old military fatigue jacket she apparently wore around her home, and starts up a battery-powered music player.''

There are probably others that abound on the site as well. Lastly, the [[fumarello]] article iself states that the ep "[[Water]]" '''does''' use the term "fumarello", as well as explaining that it is made from the fumarella leaf.

If that is not the case, and cigars are really cigars in the "RDMiverse" (meaning that the "Water" reference is wrong), mea culpa. No offense is taken or intended; we're all here to make the best articles possible.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 14:50, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:Baltar does not explicitly refer to the cigar he gives Thrace as a "fumarello", he just calls the material it's made from "Fumarello leaf", and obviously on-screen evidence takes precedence over whatever RDM may call it on the commentary tracks. Since they have been explicitly referred to as cigars on a number of occasions, and never as "Fumarellos", I am going to revert your edit again. Please do not restore it unless you can provide an actual quote from an episode in favor of your position.

:Here is the dialogue from "Water":

::'''Gaius Baltar:''' Full colors, thank you. Thank you all for a most pleasant evening. A parting gift. Hand-rolled from some of the finest fumarello leaf on Caprica. It's also one of the last left in the universe.

:Note that he never actually names the object he's giving her. Meanwhile, we've heard them explicitly referred to as cigars and cigarettes on several occasions:

:"You Can't Go Home Again"
::'''Kara Thrace:''' No cigar for you.

:"Litmus"
::'''Gaius Baltar:''' I, um, I brought you a cigar. Recovery gift.

:"Final Cut"
::'''Felix Gaeta:''' Gaeta: I hate cigarettes.

:"Black Market"
::'''Jack Fisk:''' By the way, did you get the cigars I sent over?
::'''Lee Adama:''' Enjoy the cigars. Escort the vice President to his ship.
::'''Phelan:''' Everyone has needs. Some settle for cigars or liquor.

:"Scar"
::'''Louanne Katraine:''' Scar's gonna smoke you like a fine cigar, my man.

:So "cigar" wins 6-0, by my count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:02, 5 February 2006 (EST)

:::Agreed. "Fumarello" appears to be the ''tobacco'' analog, but cigars are still "cigars" ''even'' in "Water". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:27, 5 February 2006 (EST)

== Star of Kobol ==
You deserve a [[Star of Kobol]] for transcribing act II of Res ship part I. It was almost as if RDM was TRYING to make it hard to transcribe, shifting around like that. I had actually picked that one to try to transcribe, and that first paragraph got me to quit. We don't have barnstars around here, but I figured some kudos were due. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:41, 14 February 2006 (EST)

::Whoop, accidentally overwrote your added dialogue for "The Captain's Hand". Was editing some things and kept an older version which must have overwrote your add-ons. D'oheth!!! --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:38, 19 February 2006 (EST)

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==Episode Impressions==

Well I think that was a damn good episode, a good improvement over some of the previous episodes. Tricky for some article editing but overall I know you guys will do a great job on the page. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:02, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:Not bad at all. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:05, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::I agree. Some tense moments, and the Baltar announcement kinda threw me for a second, but overall a refresing change of pace. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::Great Episode I thought. The abortion debate was an fascinating piece of art imitating life in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how this pans out as the show continues. --[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:55, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: With the last few episodes, I was becoming increasingly disillusioned with the apparently magical powers of RDM and his writing team. This episode is more like what I (and, I think, we all) have come to expect from Galactica. [[User:Shred|Shred]] 13:47, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Not ANOTHER Commander! ==

This episode was topnotch, yes. But this leaves us wikipedians with a bit of a problem. Enter "Commander Adama" and you get William Adama. We'll need a disambig for this new change. Betting that Lee's promotion is temporary, of course. And, for me at least, there's the matter of the new commander living long enough--Pegasus goes through commanders now like I go through a bag of cookies. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:08, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:Perhaps maybe the Pegasus will be around longer than we thought? [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Or maybe we'll have another Adama cliffhanger, this time with Lee... -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Methinks those nuke hits will come back to haunt them (especially with the nuke Baltar took coming into play) and Adama will go for either, a) another space walk when the Pegasus goes boom or b) He will be aboard Galactica laughing at Tigh for still being a Colonel. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)

Personally, as a US Navy vet, I think this was a huge breach in protocol. Granted, I'm loving the show and plotwise it's a good move, the reality of it is that if anything, Tigh would have been promoted to Commander (and probably should have been after the ''Pegasus'' lost its two seniormost officers) and '''perhaps''' Lee promoted to Colonel as the XO. Obviously, there was the huge flareup from when Tigh had command of the fleet, but even still, as XO of ''Galactica'', it should have went to him.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:19, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I agree with you, and it might make for some good Tigh material later on, with him and Ellen being pissed off for being passed over. But I think because of the reactions he got within the fleet, there would be more trouble then its worth. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Pretty much what I was thinking as well, especially since ADM Adama and Tigh go way back, so he'll probably see this as a major snub. So again, as a plot issue, I think it works. But I think the whole thing probably could have been handled a bit more realistically. But that's just me. ^_^;;;--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:25, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Hey, all! New here. And same thoughts here, but not just from Tigh, but maybe from the fleet. Kara didn't seem to care one way or another (or, at least, didn't voice it), but I think some might be extremely angry that Lee went from Major to Commander in a month. [[User:Michael|Michael]] 23:29, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::::As much as it was a breach in protocol, [[Saul_Tigh|Col. Tigh]] might not be miffed as bad as everyone thinks. Recall from [[Scattered]], that he really wasn't interested in "the big chair". I'm thinking that Ellen may have the larger issue of the two. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:41, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::::True, but there is still the matter of OPLANs, NAVREGs (or whatever serves for the fleet). It was as much rules and regulations - some of the stuff that ADM Adama is supposed to adhere to, especially during wartime - as Tigh's preferences. Granted, I'm probably reading a bit much of real-world influences into this, and I understand that they did it for the plot, but again, I really expect some backlash to happen, both on-screen and somewhat amongst the really, really nitpicky fans. Like me. ^_- --'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:54, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:::::The passing over of Colonel Tigh for the post of ''Pegasus'' Commander needs to be addressed at a later time I believe. Either he was offered the position and passed, his attitude to receiving a command as stated in "Scattered" was well known to Admiral Adama and he knew the offer of promotion would be rejected or Admiral Adama decided he needed him where he was...Hopefully this will be addressed in a later episode. A throwaway line from Admiral Adama to Colonel Tigh such as "Im glad you stayed" or "You know it was yours if you wanted it" would wrap it up and end this speculation! :)--[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Was Apollo promoted to Commander or simply given command of the Pegasus and stayed at the rank of Major ?. After all it is possible to be the Captain (and referred to as the Captain) of a ship without holding the rank of Captain. Maybe the same thing holds for the Commander designation. Although being given the pips does confuse things but it does seem strange that he jumped almost two command ranks in one go. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 02:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

: Just some thoughts. By its very nature the command structure of the Fleet must be looser than it would be in "normal" circumstances. Seniority has become less important than fitting individuals to function. Tigh has shown himself to be in some ways a superior XO, one upon whom Adama depends. Also, I would maintain that Tigh depends no less upon Bill Adama in order to function. But I wonder if any other "cross-pollenization" of battlestar crews might be wise. [[User:Zahir|Zahir]] 11:57, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Apollo was indeed promoted to the rank of Commander Rexpop. Personally, since I haven't read the Articles of Colonial Field Promotions...or whatever...I can't say that Lee's promotion was in breach of any protocol...maybe IRL it would be...but in the RDM universe, who knows.
Personally I think that the promotion to Commander reflects Apollos actions. He assumed command of the Pegasus when she was allready faceing 3 Basestars, with potentially up to 2,400 Raiders, and the Pegasus allready heavily damaged...and he was able to not only pull it out of the fire and escape, but heavily damaged/crippled one Basestar in the process. I'd say that he deserves the promotion to Commander. --[[User:Strato|Strato]]

On further thought it makes sense that Lee was probably the only viable candidate in fleet. The reasoning is as follows:

First up lets identify the potential candidates that we know about on Galactica. After the attack the command staff on Galactica was Adama, Colonel Tigh, Captain Kelly, Major Cottle and Lee. There are no other senior officers that we know about and given that Captain Kelly was second officer its unlikely there were others.

On Pegasus things are a little more vague. We know that Fisk was a Colonel and that Garner was not a command officer but the chief engineer so its likely that he held at least the rank of Major. With both officers gone it is likely the highest command officer left on Pegasus was probably no higher than the rank of Major. And given that Pegasus was in for a refit at the time of the attack it was likely that like Galactica the ship was light on senior officers.

So at the end we are left with four candidates that we the audience knows about. Tigh, Lee, Cottle and Kelly. Tigh has made it clear that he doesn't want command and Adama would likely pass him over due to his personal issues with the bottle. Cottle would probably not be considered due to not being a command officer and the lack of doctors in the fleet.

Kelly is a good candidate and is probably on a par with Lee, but where Lee wins out over Kelly is that Kelly doesn't have experience in commanding a Battlestar, only as an XO. Admittedly Lee only has one engagement under his belt, but he was thrown into the fire and came out singed but intact. Kelly doesn't have that so that puts Lee ahead. So under the circumstances (and the limited pool to draw on) Lee is pretty much is the best candidate that we know about for the job.

Now the only question that I have is why hasn't Kelly been made first officer of the Pegasus ?. It would seem that he would be a natural choice given that it was strongly hinted in the mini-series that he was in line for a promotion to a first officer position after his tour of duty was over. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 14:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:Don't forget that Cain had already had her first XO executed, so Col. Fisk had probably been promoted from a lower rank already. As for Kelly vs. Lee Adama, it's not entirely clear which of them have seniority. Lee was under arrest when Kelly was acting as Tigh's XO. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==Survivor Count==
The survivor count went down by six even though we saw seven deaths in the last episode. This could be explained by the well established fact that cylon deaths do not result in a dropping of the count. It has long been speculated that [[Billy|Billy]] is/was a cylon. If this is true it would explain the loss of only six from the count. That said, it is also possible, even probable that there was a birth. In the podcast for [[Sacrifice|Sacrifice]] it is said that Billy was killed off just because the actor portraying him wished to pursue other projects. Thoughts?--[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:30, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:No, for two reasons: One, we actually saw the White Board of Death to confirm numbers, Two: occasionally there are births in the fleet which make the number go up slightly. Although this could never account for the sudden, unexplained gain of 50 people at a time or something, it does go to explain why sometimes there are episodes where a lot of people die, but the survivor count doesn't drop that much.
--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I don't understand what you're saying. Im not disputing the numbers, im giving a possible explination for why the number went down by only six when we see seven people (pehaps one of them a cylon) dying in the previous episode. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 03:37, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Seven people die on screen. 2 more die off screen. 3 babies are born off screen. We don't hear about these second two events, but they still ''happen'', and when we see the renewed survivor count, it's a ''Net'' loss of six, and so forth. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Whether Billy is a Cylon is not an issue for the Survivor Count (fleet population). President Roslin wouldn't yet be aware, so it would not be a factor in the population count, and therefore to mention the speculation about Billy wasn't really relevant. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 04:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Yeah thats a good point that the president wouldnt know, youre right. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 21:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Tigh and Seniority ==

In the questions, I wonder if the reference to Tigh's "seniority" is even relevent. This isn't a situation analogous to the time (now-Admiral) Adama was shot because in that case, Tigh was the most senior officer PERIOD, and here now Tigh is, of course, not. Adama, as the ranking flag officer (Admiral, if not Commander, and up), presumably has the authority to make promotions as he sees fit. While I'm sure anyone would agree that the promotion of Lee to Commander was unusual, does anybody really think promoting Tigh would have seemed like a good idea to anyone in the fleet? Just curious. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 05:31, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't see the fuss: Col. Tigh himself has stated repeatedly that he does not want a command of his own, and only wants to work as a team with William Adama. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 05:39, 18 February 2006 (EST)

BTW; a note on units: someone mentions that "40 SU" is a long distance away in space for Pegasus. I think that must mean "Stellar Unit", as opposed to our standardized "Astronomical Unit (AU)" (distance from Earth to the sun).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:01, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Pegasus Technology / Technicalities ==
=== Landing Strips & Weaponry ===

Amazing Battle Sequence in this episode. It was nice to finally get to see Pegasus retake her Vipers via both the upper and lower Landing strips.
when I first saw her from this angle http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Pegasus01.jpg I suspected she had 4 landing strips, and now that I have seen them in use, I feel vindicated. What do we know if anything about the 2 Bough Battery's Pegasus was firing at the middle Basestar? The shells seem to be the same size or larger than a viper?--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

:Also, the fact that one of them is inverted confirms that the colonials can maniuplate artificial gravity fields selectively. This was suspected from some shots of the botanical cruiser with a few domes upside down, but this is more explicit and a more extreme difference (the two strips are back to back). --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 17:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't think we could really tell what was upside down or not; I got the impressing that they were just flipping the ''camera angle'' to show that Pegasus was flipping around; more detail when we get the DVDs.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:From what I saw, half of the Vipers rotated to land on the bottom two Pegasus decks. Starbuck was clearly upside down. It can also be seen that Vipers landing on lower deck of the flight pod were rotating to land from the Vipers landing on the upper deck. This is the first time we see that all Viper's land on opposite sides of the same surface. I'm wondering how they are going to explain or show that the gravity is opposite from the rest of the ship.--[[User:Jedivulcan|Jedivulcan]]

::I hope they don't bother. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:10, 18 February 2006 (EST)

They haven't yet explained how they crerate Artificial Gravity onboard the ships yet...I assume its some sort of gravplating...or something...as usual its one of those suspension of disbelief things you just have to kind of accept (for that matter how do they prevent people from flaoting in Zero G in the Raptors?), but the Pegasus clearly has 4 Landing Strips,a nd uses them, there is no need to wait "for the DVD's". For Viper Raptor landings however, they don't relie on Artificial Gravity, they land their skids on magnetic "traps".--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

::See the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article for discussion on artificial gravity. I'm betting more on magnetism on this: Why? Watch the [[Miniseries]], when ''Colonial Heavy 798'' first docks on ''Galactica'' for the decomissioning ceremonies. You'll see two spacesuited workers who are ''floating'' while they're working. If this was gravity, these guys would NOT float. Doesn't give us a direct answer, but it eliminates "selective" gravity adjustments. Confirm this with how the Vipers make combat landings; they bounce a lot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:20, 18 February 2006 (EST)

=== Class Capability ===

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section: 
: [[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]]. 
I felt this statement was superfluous and unneeded, since ''Mercury''-class Battlestars '''''cannot''''' retract their flight pods before jumping to FTL; it's not a question of needing to or not. The design of the ''Mercury''-class is closest to the original (original series) model, with fixed flight pods and external hull plating and lines. Why TPTB included retractable/deployable flight pods on ''Galactica's'' class is anyone's guess — it's a neat feature, both visually and stylistically — but I don't think it's necessary to the performance of the FTL drive. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 20:29, 18 February 2006 (EST)
: I could see the retractable flight pods on the ''Galactica'' type used to make a sealed enviroment when closed to create an atmosphere on the deck. I would say it could logically allow a way for people to disembark larger craft like ''Colonial One'' when they dock, however its been proven that craft like that use an airlock gantry way for that purpose. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:43, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm restoring this. We may have suspected that Pegasus can't and/or doesn't retract its flight pods, but before this episode, but we didn't ''know''.--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:48, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== "Property"? ==

I'm a little sketchy on current United States legal terminology, but they said that "Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents"--->Is the term "property" used by the United States, or any Western nation for that matter? I don't know. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:03, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:Under United States law, no, minors are not property. In practical terms, the situation is a little more complicated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:09, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I do not understand. Further, how could she be "property"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:13, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:::In theory, children are absolutely not "property" under united states law, which grants equal protection not only to all citizens ''of'' the United States, but to all ''persons'' ''within'' the United States. In practice, legal guardians have a wide range of authority over their charges. Of particular relevance to this episode, some jurisdictions require minors to notify their parents prior to an abortion. A friend of mine who sued for emancipation from her parents has told me that in her opinion, there's little practical distinction between the status of an legal minor and "property". I suspect it's a matter of perspective, really. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:40, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== "To Be, or Not... To Be" ==

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section:
: [[Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'' when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear if analogues of his work exist in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]].

I think that the phrase "pound of flesh" has become quite familiar in modern culture and literary circles, such that it really doesn't warrant significance in citing. It has been used in countless movies and TV episodes without citation (not that I think a phrase can be copyrighted to such an extent), and I haven't seen the writers of ''Law & Order'' state, "Yeah, we intentionally alluded to Shakespeare, and wanted the lawyer to give that impression that he was alluding to Shakespeare when he said it in court". Yes, I'm probably going to an extreme, but really, this is just a case of a scriptwriter putting this phrase into the script, and almost certainly has '''''nothing''''' to do with whether or not Shakespeare is familiar to The Colonies. This isn't the Klingons quoting ''Hamlet''. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 21:45, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm also restoring this. The phrase may have a more general meaning, but it is impossible not to make the association with Shakespeare when hearing it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:52, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: I stand by my original action, more so than the other removal I undertook. It is excessive "over-think" to assume (or, create the assumption) that everything spoken in the dialogue must have explanation in or correlation to "canon" terms. "Pound of flesh" is a term, a phrase, plain and simple... and while its origin ''here'' is attributed to Shakespeare, it ''does not mean'', nor imply, that Shakespeare exists in this storyline, or that Shakespeare was somehow influenced by Colonial writing, or that Shakespeare is, or could be, or should be, any part of this storyline. This storyline and Shakespearean writing are completely exclusive of each other, with the exception being, perhaps, that writers here may take dramatic or stylistic cues from Shakespeare (or any other classes of writers). Hey, they're only Human too. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:06, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::Look, in general, I agree with you that it's not desirable to read too much into things - no, the freighter "greenleaf" is not a Legolas reference, for example. This, however, is very clear. I am going to restore it again for now, and I would like you to leave it be until at least a few others weigh in. At that point, I will be happy to abide by consensus. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 19 February 2006 (EST)

I stand with Farago. Utterly. Two to one, motion stands.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:01, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Please remember that, when content is disputed due to interpretation ([[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|as opposed to sources]]), our policy is to generally leave the item ''within the article'' and to work here on Talk (as done) to gain consensus before leaving the item in permanently. If consensus cannot be reached, one of the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&username= Administrators] here (or other contributor) can call for a vote. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:17, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: Perhaps a compromise can be reached. I adjusted the statement slightly to be more ambiguous. I'm not against the mention of a snippet or insight like this — but, I'm completely opposed to extending an insight into speculation, especially when it involves linking to or placement in the ''canon'' storyline. The contributor who first placed that statement (Alphaboi867) hasn't "shown up" to defend it, and I strongly feel that the original phrasing of it is ungrounded speculation that is linking Shakespeare to the storyline, where no such link has been indicated by TPTB to exist. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:''Hawke suggests:''
The script for [[Laura Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'', when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear as to if the writers are somehow placing Shakespeare's work into the story of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], or if this is just a random "use of phrase" by an inspired scriptwriter.

:This seems verbose. Just stating that she's quoting shakespeare shouldn't imply any position on whether or not he exists in the BSG universe. How about simply stating this in notes:
::[[Laura Roslin]] quotes Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when she tells [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] that she's gotten her "pound of flesh".
:And, if we feel the need to discuss the implication of this quotation, doing so under Analysis. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:10, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: I would be agreeable to this, so long as it is prefaced with "The script (or dialogue) for [[Laura Roslin]]... (rest of your statement)". I know I'm dicing onions, but I think it's ''crucial'' that there is no implication that Shakespeare exists in The Colonies ''unless'' or ''until'' it is substantiated further. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:19, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::"Writer Jeff Vlaming references Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh."? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::: That works fine, in my opinion. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:28, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Councillor -> Delegate ==
I changed the instances of Councillor to Delegate per [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Character_Titles|Article 3 Section 1 of the Standards and Conventions]]. If events occur such that we need to reevaluate the standard title for members of the Quorum, we should probably take it over to the talk at S&C (so that it will be applied everywhere). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:46, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==How much is too much?==

I know this was brought up in another episode of the season, in that we should be mindful of how much information is provided for each episode. For the information that's being provided in summary, how much should we include? Some veteran input would be greatly appreciated. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 15:32, 19 February 2006 (EST)
:I agree that this needs concision badly, and separation between the "A" and "B" plots. Try to stick to the rough outlines of the plot, and save salient details for Notes. Be bold. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:49, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::Well I edited a fair bit, taking out some extra explanations. I think we have to look at these summaries as more of a sports recap the day after the game rather then a play-by-play of the whole episode. I think more time should be spent on individual pages (Eg. Lee Adama) rather then explanation what happens to him in detail in the episode. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:33, 19 February 2006 (EST)
::: Oh and my apologies to Peter Farago for removing his notable dialogue stuff, had an older copied and pasted version which overwrote your stuff, D'oh!! --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:36, 19 February 2006 (EST)

==Casualties==

Rexpop writes:
:There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'' , only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties occurred during the venting of the fire and was largely due to the conflicting damage control orders given by Kelly, Tyrol and Tigh rather than the actual impact of the missile.

I don't think either of these points bears up to scrutiny. As to the first, I'm willing to wait until next friday, but I can almost promise you that the count won't be pushed any lower - we thought something similar after the surprisingly low casualty count between "Valley of Darkness" and "Fragged", but no other deaths were added on later.

As for the second point, that's simply not the case - Tigh knew that if he waited for the repair crews to evacuate, the fuel lines would blow, and Adama not only backed up his decision but said that he'd have made the same one in his place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

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==Episode Impressions==

Well I think that was a damn good episode, a good improvement over some of the previous episodes. Tricky for some article editing but overall I know you guys will do a great job on the page. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:02, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:Not bad at all. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:05, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::I agree. Some tense moments, and the Baltar announcement kinda threw me for a second, but overall a refresing change of pace. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)

::Great Episode I thought. The abortion debate was an fascinating piece of art imitating life in my opinion. It will be interesting to see how this pans out as the show continues. --[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:55, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: With the last few episodes, I was becoming increasingly disillusioned with the apparently magical powers of RDM and his writing team. This episode is more like what I (and, I think, we all) have come to expect from Galactica. [[User:Shred|Shred]] 13:47, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Not ANOTHER Commander! ==

This episode was topnotch, yes. But this leaves us wikipedians with a bit of a problem. Enter "Commander Adama" and you get William Adama. We'll need a disambig for this new change. Betting that Lee's promotion is temporary, of course. And, for me at least, there's the matter of the new commander living long enough--Pegasus goes through commanders now like I go through a bag of cookies. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:08, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:Perhaps maybe the Pegasus will be around longer than we thought? [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 23:10, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Or maybe we'll have another Adama cliffhanger, this time with Lee... -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:13, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Methinks those nuke hits will come back to haunt them (especially with the nuke Baltar took coming into play) and Adama will go for either, a) another space walk when the Pegasus goes boom or b) He will be aboard Galactica laughing at Tigh for still being a Colonel. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)

Personally, as a US Navy vet, I think this was a huge breach in protocol. Granted, I'm loving the show and plotwise it's a good move, the reality of it is that if anything, Tigh would have been promoted to Commander (and probably should have been after the ''Pegasus'' lost its two seniormost officers) and '''perhaps''' Lee promoted to Colonel as the XO. Obviously, there was the huge flareup from when Tigh had command of the fleet, but even still, as XO of ''Galactica'', it should have went to him.--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:19, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:I agree with you, and it might make for some good Tigh material later on, with him and Ellen being pissed off for being passed over. But I think because of the reactions he got within the fleet, there would be more trouble then its worth. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:21, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::Pretty much what I was thinking as well, especially since ADM Adama and Tigh go way back, so he'll probably see this as a major snub. So again, as a plot issue, I think it works. But I think the whole thing probably could have been handled a bit more realistically. But that's just me. ^_^;;;--'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:25, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::Hey, all! New here. And same thoughts here, but not just from Tigh, but maybe from the fleet. Kara didn't seem to care one way or another (or, at least, didn't voice it), but I think some might be extremely angry that Lee went from Major to Commander in a month. [[User:Michael|Michael]] 23:29, 17 February 2006 (EST)
::::As much as it was a breach in protocol, [[Saul_Tigh|Col. Tigh]] might not be miffed as bad as everyone thinks. Recall from [[Scattered]], that he really wasn't interested in "the big chair". I'm thinking that Ellen may have the larger issue of the two. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:41, 17 February 2006 (EST)
:::::True, but there is still the matter of OPLANs, NAVREGs (or whatever serves for the fleet). It was as much rules and regulations - some of the stuff that ADM Adama is supposed to adhere to, especially during wartime - as Tigh's preferences. Granted, I'm probably reading a bit much of real-world influences into this, and I understand that they did it for the plot, but again, I really expect some backlash to happen, both on-screen and somewhat amongst the really, really nitpicky fans. Like me. ^_- --'''[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]''' '''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''''' 23:54, 17 February 2006 (EST)

:::::The passing over of Colonel Tigh for the post of ''Pegasus'' Commander needs to be addressed at a later time I believe. Either he was offered the position and passed, his attitude to receiving a command as stated in "Scattered" was well known to Admiral Adama and he knew the offer of promotion would be rejected or Admiral Adama decided he needed him where he was...Hopefully this will be addressed in a later episode. A throwaway line from Admiral Adama to Colonel Tigh such as "Im glad you stayed" or "You know it was yours if you wanted it" would wrap it up and end this speculation! :)--[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 10:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Was Apollo promoted to Commander or simply given command of the Pegasus and stayed at the rank of Major ?. After all it is possible to be the Captain (and referred to as the Captain) of a ship without holding the rank of Captain. Maybe the same thing holds for the Commander designation. Although being given the pips does confuse things but it does seem strange that he jumped almost two command ranks in one go. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 02:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

: Just some thoughts. By its very nature the command structure of the Fleet must be looser than it would be in "normal" circumstances. Seniority has become less important than fitting individuals to function. Tigh has shown himself to be in some ways a superior XO, one upon whom Adama depends. Also, I would maintain that Tigh depends no less upon Bill Adama in order to function. But I wonder if any other "cross-pollenization" of battlestar crews might be wise. [[User:Zahir|Zahir]] 11:57, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Apollo was indeed promoted to the rank of Commander Rexpop. Personally, since I haven't read the Articles of Colonial Field Promotions...or whatever...I can't say that Lee's promotion was in breach of any protocol...maybe IRL it would be...but in the RDM universe, who knows.
Personally I think that the promotion to Commander reflects Apollos actions. He assumed command of the Pegasus when she was allready faceing 3 Basestars, with potentially up to 2,400 Raiders, and the Pegasus allready heavily damaged...and he was able to not only pull it out of the fire and escape, but heavily damaged/crippled one Basestar in the process. I'd say that he deserves the promotion to Commander. --[[User:Strato|Strato]]

On further thought it makes sense that Lee was probably the only viable candidate in fleet. The reasoning is as follows:

First up lets identify the potential candidates that we know about on Galactica. After the attack the command staff on Galactica was Adama, Colonel Tigh, Captain Kelly, Major Cottle and Lee. There are no other senior officers that we know about and given that Captain Kelly was second officer its unlikely there were others.

On Pegasus things are a little more vague. We know that Fisk was a Colonel and that Garner was not a command officer but the chief engineer so its likely that he held at least the rank of Major. With both officers gone it is likely the highest command officer left on Pegasus was probably no higher than the rank of Major. And given that Pegasus was in for a refit at the time of the attack it was likely that like Galactica the ship was light on senior officers.

So at the end we are left with four candidates that we the audience knows about. Tigh, Lee, Cottle and Kelly. Tigh has made it clear that he doesn't want command and Adama would likely pass him over due to his personal issues with the bottle. Cottle would probably not be considered due to not being a command officer and the lack of doctors in the fleet.

Kelly is a good candidate and is probably on a par with Lee, but where Lee wins out over Kelly is that Kelly doesn't have experience in commanding a Battlestar, only as an XO. Admittedly Lee only has one engagement under his belt, but he was thrown into the fire and came out singed but intact. Kelly doesn't have that so that puts Lee ahead. So under the circumstances (and the limited pool to draw on) Lee is pretty much is the best candidate that we know about for the job.

Now the only question that I have is why hasn't Kelly been made first officer of the Pegasus ?. It would seem that he would be a natural choice given that it was strongly hinted in the mini-series that he was in line for a promotion to a first officer position after his tour of duty was over. --[[User:Rexpop|Rexpop]] 14:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:Don't forget that Cain had already had her first XO executed, so Col. Fisk had probably been promoted from a lower rank already. As for Kelly vs. Lee Adama, it's not entirely clear which of them have seniority. Lee was under arrest when Kelly was acting as Tigh's XO. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==Survivor Count==
The survivor count went down by six even though we saw seven deaths in the last episode. This could be explained by the well established fact that cylon deaths do not result in a dropping of the count. It has long been speculated that [[Billy|Billy]] is/was a cylon. If this is true it would explain the loss of only six from the count. That said, it is also possible, even probable that there was a birth. In the podcast for [[Sacrifice|Sacrifice]] it is said that Billy was killed off just because the actor portraying him wished to pursue other projects. Thoughts?--[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 02:30, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:No, for two reasons: One, we actually saw the White Board of Death to confirm numbers, Two: occasionally there are births in the fleet which make the number go up slightly. Although this could never account for the sudden, unexplained gain of 50 people at a time or something, it does go to explain why sometimes there are episodes where a lot of people die, but the survivor count doesn't drop that much.
--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I don't understand what you're saying. Im not disputing the numbers, im giving a possible explination for why the number went down by only six when we see seven people (pehaps one of them a cylon) dying in the previous episode. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 03:37, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Seven people die on screen. 2 more die off screen. 3 babies are born off screen. We don't hear about these second two events, but they still ''happen'', and when we see the renewed survivor count, it's a ''Net'' loss of six, and so forth. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:56, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Whether Billy is a Cylon is not an issue for the Survivor Count (fleet population). President Roslin wouldn't yet be aware, so it would not be a factor in the population count, and therefore to mention the speculation about Billy wasn't really relevant. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 04:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)

Yeah thats a good point that the president wouldnt know, youre right. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 21:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Tigh and Seniority ==

In the questions, I wonder if the reference to Tigh's "seniority" is even relevent. This isn't a situation analogous to the time (now-Admiral) Adama was shot because in that case, Tigh was the most senior officer PERIOD, and here now Tigh is, of course, not. Adama, as the ranking flag officer (Admiral, if not Commander, and up), presumably has the authority to make promotions as he sees fit. While I'm sure anyone would agree that the promotion of Lee to Commander was unusual, does anybody really think promoting Tigh would have seemed like a good idea to anyone in the fleet? Just curious. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 05:31, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't see the fuss: Col. Tigh himself has stated repeatedly that he does not want a command of his own, and only wants to work as a team with William Adama. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 05:39, 18 February 2006 (EST)

BTW; a note on units: someone mentions that "40 SU" is a long distance away in space for Pegasus. I think that must mean "Stellar Unit", as opposed to our standardized "Astronomical Unit (AU)" (distance from Earth to the sun).--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 06:01, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== Pegasus Technology / Technicalities ==
=== Landing Strips & Weaponry ===

Amazing Battle Sequence in this episode. It was nice to finally get to see Pegasus retake her Vipers via both the upper and lower Landing strips.
when I first saw her from this angle http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:Pegasus01.jpg I suspected she had 4 landing strips, and now that I have seen them in use, I feel vindicated. What do we know if anything about the 2 Bough Battery's Pegasus was firing at the middle Basestar? The shells seem to be the same size or larger than a viper?--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

:Also, the fact that one of them is inverted confirms that the colonials can maniuplate artificial gravity fields selectively. This was suspected from some shots of the botanical cruiser with a few domes upside down, but this is more explicit and a more extreme difference (the two strips are back to back). --[[User:Zeratul|Zeratul]] 17:38, 18 February 2006 (EST)

I don't think we could really tell what was upside down or not; I got the impressing that they were just flipping the ''camera angle'' to show that Pegasus was flipping around; more detail when we get the DVDs.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 18:27, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:From what I saw, half of the Vipers rotated to land on the bottom two Pegasus decks. Starbuck was clearly upside down. It can also be seen that Vipers landing on lower deck of the flight pod were rotating to land from the Vipers landing on the upper deck. This is the first time we see that all Viper's land on opposite sides of the same surface. I'm wondering how they are going to explain or show that the gravity is opposite from the rest of the ship.--[[User:Jedivulcan|Jedivulcan]]

::I hope they don't bother. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:10, 18 February 2006 (EST)

They haven't yet explained how they crerate Artificial Gravity onboard the ships yet...I assume its some sort of gravplating...or something...as usual its one of those suspension of disbelief things you just have to kind of accept (for that matter how do they prevent people from flaoting in Zero G in the Raptors?), but the Pegasus clearly has 4 Landing Strips,a nd uses them, there is no need to wait "for the DVD's". For Viper Raptor landings however, they don't relie on Artificial Gravity, they land their skids on magnetic "traps".--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

::See the [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]] article for discussion on artificial gravity. I'm betting more on magnetism on this: Why? Watch the [[Miniseries]], when ''Colonial Heavy 798'' first docks on ''Galactica'' for the decomissioning ceremonies. You'll see two spacesuited workers who are ''floating'' while they're working. If this was gravity, these guys would NOT float. Doesn't give us a direct answer, but it eliminates "selective" gravity adjustments. Confirm this with how the Vipers make combat landings; they bounce a lot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:20, 18 February 2006 (EST)

=== Class Capability ===

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section: 
: [[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]]. 
I felt this statement was superfluous and unneeded, since ''Mercury''-class Battlestars '''''cannot''''' retract their flight pods before jumping to FTL; it's not a question of needing to or not. The design of the ''Mercury''-class is closest to the original (original series) model, with fixed flight pods and external hull plating and lines. Why TPTB included retractable/deployable flight pods on ''Galactica's'' class is anyone's guess — it's a neat feature, both visually and stylistically — but I don't think it's necessary to the performance of the FTL drive. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 20:29, 18 February 2006 (EST)
: I could see the retractable flight pods on the ''Galactica'' type used to make a sealed enviroment when closed to create an atmosphere on the deck. I would say it could logically allow a way for people to disembark larger craft like ''Colonial One'' when they dock, however its been proven that craft like that use an airlock gantry way for that purpose. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 20:43, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm restoring this. We may have suspected that Pegasus can't and/or doesn't retract its flight pods, but before this episode, but we didn't ''know''.--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:48, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== "Property"? ==

I'm a little sketchy on current United States legal terminology, but they said that "Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents"--->Is the term "property" used by the United States, or any Western nation for that matter? I don't know. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:03, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:Under United States law, no, minors are not property. In practical terms, the situation is a little more complicated. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:09, 18 February 2006 (EST)

::I do not understand. Further, how could she be "property"?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:13, 18 February 2006 (EST)
:::In theory, children are absolutely not "property" under united states law, which grants equal protection not only to all citizens ''of'' the United States, but to all ''persons'' ''within'' the United States. In practice, legal guardians have a wide range of authority over their charges. Of particular relevance to this episode, some jurisdictions require minors to notify their parents prior to an abortion. A friend of mine who sued for emancipation from her parents has told me that in her opinion, there's little practical distinction between the status of an legal minor and "property". I suspect it's a matter of perspective, really. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:40, 18 February 2006 (EST)

== "To Be, or Not... To Be" ==

I removed the following entry from the article's "Notes" section:
: [[Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'' when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear if analogues of his work exist in the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]].

I think that the phrase "pound of flesh" has become quite familiar in modern culture and literary circles, such that it really doesn't warrant significance in citing. It has been used in countless movies and TV episodes without citation (not that I think a phrase can be copyrighted to such an extent), and I haven't seen the writers of ''Law & Order'' state, "Yeah, we intentionally alluded to Shakespeare, and wanted the lawyer to give that impression that he was alluding to Shakespeare when he said it in court". Yes, I'm probably going to an extreme, but really, this is just a case of a scriptwriter putting this phrase into the script, and almost certainly has '''''nothing''''' to do with whether or not Shakespeare is familiar to The Colonies. This isn't the Klingons quoting ''Hamlet''. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 21:45, 18 February 2006 (EST)

:I'm also restoring this. The phrase may have a more general meaning, but it is impossible not to make the association with Shakespeare when hearing it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:52, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: I stand by my original action, more so than the other removal I undertook. It is excessive "over-think" to assume (or, create the assumption) that everything spoken in the dialogue must have explanation in or correlation to "canon" terms. "Pound of flesh" is a term, a phrase, plain and simple... and while its origin ''here'' is attributed to Shakespeare, it ''does not mean'', nor imply, that Shakespeare exists in this storyline, or that Shakespeare was somehow influenced by Colonial writing, or that Shakespeare is, or could be, or should be, any part of this storyline. This storyline and Shakespearean writing are completely exclusive of each other, with the exception being, perhaps, that writers here may take dramatic or stylistic cues from Shakespeare (or any other classes of writers). Hey, they're only Human too. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:06, 19 February 2006 (EST)

::Look, in general, I agree with you that it's not desirable to read too much into things - no, the freighter "greenleaf" is not a Legolas reference, for example. This, however, is very clear. I am going to restore it again for now, and I would like you to leave it be until at least a few others weigh in. At that point, I will be happy to abide by consensus. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 19 February 2006 (EST)

I stand with Farago. Utterly. Two to one, motion stands.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:01, 19 February 2006 (EST)

Please remember that, when content is disputed due to interpretation ([[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad|as opposed to sources]]), our policy is to generally leave the item ''within the article'' and to work here on Talk (as done) to gain consensus before leaving the item in permanently. If consensus cannot be reached, one of the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=sysop&username= Administrators] here (or other contributor) can call for a vote. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:17, 19 February 2006 (EST)

: Perhaps a compromise can be reached. I adjusted the statement slightly to be more ambiguous. I'm not against the mention of a snippet or insight like this — but, I'm completely opposed to extending an insight into speculation, especially when it involves linking to or placement in the ''canon'' storyline. The contributor who first placed that statement (Alphaboi867) hasn't "shown up" to defend it, and I strongly feel that the original phrasing of it is ungrounded speculation that is linking Shakespeare to the storyline, where no such link has been indicated by TPTB to exist. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:03, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:''Hawke suggests:''
The script for [[Laura Roslin]] references Shakespeare's ''Merchant of Venice'', when she asks [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] if she wants her "pound of flesh". It's unclear as to if the writers are somehow placing Shakespeare's work into the story of [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Colonies]], or if this is just a random "use of phrase" by an inspired scriptwriter.

:This seems verbose. Just stating that she's quoting shakespeare shouldn't imply any position on whether or not he exists in the BSG universe. How about simply stating this in notes:
::[[Laura Roslin]] quotes Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when she tells [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]] that she's gotten her "pound of flesh".
:And, if we feel the need to discuss the implication of this quotation, doing so under Analysis. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:10, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:: I would be agreeable to this, so long as it is prefaced with "The script (or dialogue) for [[Laura Roslin]]... (rest of your statement)". I know I'm dicing onions, but I think it's ''crucial'' that there is no implication that Shakespeare exists in The Colonies ''unless'' or ''until'' it is substantiated further. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:19, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::"Writer Jeff Vlaming references Shakespeare's "Merchant of Venice" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve|Delegate]] [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh."? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

:::: That works fine, in my opinion. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 15:28, 19 February 2006 (EST)

== Councillor -> Delegate ==
I changed the instances of Councillor to Delegate per [[Battlestar_Wiki:Standards_and_Conventions#Character_Titles|Article 3 Section 1 of the Standards and Conventions]]. If events occur such that we need to reevaluate the standard title for members of the Quorum, we should probably take it over to the talk at S&C (so that it will be applied everywhere). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:46, 18 February 2006 (EST)

==How much is too much?==

I know this was brought up in another episode of the season, in that we should be mindful of how much information is provided for each episode. For the information that's being provided in summary, how much should we include? Some veteran input would be greatly appreciated. -[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 15:32, 19 February 2006 (EST)
:I agree that this needs concision badly, and separation between the "A" and "B" plots. Try to stick to the rough outlines of the plot, and save salient details for Notes. Be bold. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:49, 19 February 2006 (EST)
::Well I edited a fair bit, taking out some extra explanations. I think we have to look at these summaries as more of a sports recap the day after the game rather then a play-by-play of the whole episode. I think more time should be spent on individual pages (Eg. Lee Adama) rather then explanation what happens to him in detail in the episode. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 19:33, 19 February 2006 (EST)

==Casualties==

Rexpop writes:
:There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'' , only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties occurred during the venting of the fire and was largely due to the conflicting damage control orders given by Kelly, Tyrol and Tigh rather than the actual impact of the missile.

I don't think either of these points bears up to scrutiny. As to the first, I'm willing to wait until next friday, but I can almost promise you that the count won't be pushed any lower - we thought something similar after the surprisingly low casualty count between "Valley of Darkness" and "Fragged", but no other deaths were added on later.

As for the second point, that's simply not the case - Tigh knew that if he waited for the repair crews to evacuate, the fuel lines would blow, and Adama not only backed up his decision but said that he'd have made the same one in his place. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 19 February 2006 (EST)

The Captain's Hand

2006-02-20T00:31:29Z

Bane Grievver: /* Analysis */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Adamas.jpg|300px]]
| Title= The Captain's Hand
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 17
| Guests=[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm0900599|Jeff Vlaming]]
| Story=
| Director=[[IMDB:nm0590790|Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= February 17 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,584
| Prev= [[Sacrifice]]
| Next= [[Downloaded]]
}}

== Overview ==

''When two Raptors go missing after a training mission, new ''Pegasus'' commander [[Barry Garner]] challenges Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]]'s orders by sending his battlestar directly into the rescue zone--and a trap.''

== Summary ==
*Two [[Raptor|Raptors]] begin a training mission outside [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], which is near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star]], causing [[Dradis|DRADIS]] and communications interference. In the C.I.C., the Raptors disappear from DRADIS, the Comm officer believing that they may be in distress.

*On ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] and the deck crew are in the process of unloading containers, Tyrol finds a pregnant teenager who asks for [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]].

*[[Lee Adama]] arrives on the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', where he runs into [[Kara Thrace]]. Lee has been promoted to '''Major''', and both report to Commander Garner in the C.I.C. Garner is quick to chew out now-Captain Thrace over the disapperance of the Raptors.

*[[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]] and [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]] talk in private about the discipline on [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]. Garner thinks that [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] is a huge part of the problem, but Adama defends her, citing her excellent piloting skills. Garner thinks that the virtues learned in his experience as an engineer would do the ship some good.

*On [[Colonial One]], [[Laura_Roslin|President Roslin]] is being hounded by her new aide, [[Tory Foster]] about preparing for the coming election. Elsewhere, [[Tom Zarek]] discusses the idea of presidency, however concedes he's not able to garner support, but is willing to support someone more scientific; [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]].

*Back on ''Galactica'', Dr. Cottle & Admiral Adama discuss the fate of the young woman found in the container, Rya. Rya mentions the fact that she doesn't want to keep the baby, but Admiral Adama (upon request from the Gemenese delegate) is intent on sending her back to her family. Dr. Cottle suggests that she request asylum aboard ''Galactica''.

*News of [[Rya Kibby|Rya's]] asylum request has raised a stir amongst the Fleet. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] discusses the issue with Admiral Adama, [[Tory Foster]], and Delegate [[Sarah_Porter|Sarah Porter]] from Gemenon. Delegate Porter mentions that the abortion is a obscenity and demands that the girl be returned to her parents. Officially, President Roslin responds by saying the asylum request is under review. Afterwards, President Roslin mentions she's not willing to even consider the idea of abortion. She eventually announces to the fleet an Executive Order making abortion by mother or doctor subject to criminal arrest.

*While reviewing the last transmissions from the Raptors, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] makes a startling discovery, in that the reason for the disappearance may be the result of answering a supposed distress call. She attempts to bring this up with Commander Garner, who flatly rejects the theory.

*At the last known position, the additional search parties learn of the distress call that lured the first Raptors away. Commander Garner decides to start preparing the Pegasus for jump.

*Over wireless, [[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]], [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]], and [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] discuss the missing raptor situation. Commander Garner feels that the Pegasus should jump to bring home the missing crews and ships. When the Admiral asks Lee if he concurs, Lee discusses Starbuck's theory that the raptor were drawn into a Cylon trap. Admiral Adama is inclined to agree with the Major and Starbuck, and orders a recon mission to ascertain the fate of the two raptors. Garner is furious over the decision, and orders Major Adama off the C.I.C.

*Garner decides to make the jump regardless of Adama's orders. Raptors are launched from ''Pegasus'' towards the now located raptors, only to find both Raptor crews dead. At that moment, three [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jump into view which begin attacking ''Pegasus'' with conventional and nuclear missile barrages seconds after their arrival.

*During the course of the assault, [[Pegasus|''Pegasus's'']] [[FTL]] drive is disabled. Garner attempts to determine the cause from C.I.C., but is unable to do so due to the confusion of the Engineering crew. Commander Garner decides to head down to the engine room to ascertain the damage, and transfers command of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] to Major Adama. Adama, after a moment of hesitation, swings into action, ordering ''Pegasus'' into the fray, closing with one of the Basestars and engaging it with the forward batteries, severely damaging the Cylon ship.

*Through Garner's successful repair of their FTL system, ''Pegasus'' manages to jump away. Commander Garner, however, is killed in the process.

*In [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] quarters, the Admiral and [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]] review the reports from the incident on ''Pegasus''. After pointing out that Lee was more forgiving of the late Commander than Starbuck was, Admiral Adama asks what Garner's fatal flaw was. Lee responds that Garner was accustomed to working with machines, but that command is about people. The Admiral asks Lee to keep that in mind, as he offers Lee the job of commanding ''Pegasus'', along with a promotion to Commander.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] proclaims his candidacy for President of the Colonies in the Presidential election in the midst of a press conference called by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] regarding abortion in the Fleet.

== Questions ==

*Was Baltar's report real, or was it just invented to produce the opportunity to drive his wedge?

*Who will replace Baltar as Roslin's Vice President?
**Can Roslin actually pick another Vice President, under Colonial law, if Baltar refuses to resign? One of the reporters at the end actually directly asked if Baltar would remain as Vice President. Perhaps Roslin cannot forcibly remove Baltar from his office just because he's running aginst her.
*How will Zarek position himself in the Baltar campaign?
***Does Zarek plan to have Baltar killed, as per his plan in "[[Colonial Day]]"?
*Will Tigh accept the fact that Lee Adama now outranks him and has command of a ship? Or does Saul have no interest in command and already told Admiral Adama that before the posting was offered to Lee?
*What will happen to Rya, now that she had been granted asylum on ''Galactica''?
*Why was Lee promoted straight from Major to Commander? Can a Colonel not be placed in command of a battlestar for long-term purposes?
*Had Garner been serving as XO to ''Pegasus's''' previous commander, the late [[Jack Fisk]]?
*Does the fact that the Cylons had such a large force waiting to ambush ''Pegasus'' indicate that they have a new [[Resurrection Ship]] in place?
*How could the pro-abortion law be established throughout the colonies against the religious views of at least one planet? Was it introduced only recently?

== Analysis ==
*When Baltar announces his candidacy for the Presidency, Number Six applauds with a slow clap. This action runs in parallel to how then-Commander William Adama led the entire crew in a long, drawn-out slow clap in respect of President Roslin when she was re-instated to her office in "[[Home, Part II]]".
*Survivor count is decremented by six from "[[Sacrifice]]", but seven people died in that episode - terrorists [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]] and [[Chu]], two unnamed marines, and civilian [[Billy Keikeya]]. At least one birth must have taken place to offset the population count between the two episodes.
*Based on the ''[[Colonial One]]'' whiteboard seen toward the end of the episode, only five people died as a result of the ambush on ''Pegasus'': [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]], [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]], the unnamed crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]].
**This casualty figure is conspicuously low, considering that ''Galactica'' lost 85 crewmen as the result of a hit by a single nuclear missile in the [[miniseries]], while ''Pegasus'' is hit with no less than three in this episode.
**On the other hand, it is at least consistent with the surprisingly low number of casualties incurred in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], and may indicate that the hull armor on ''Pegasus'' is significantly stronger than on ''Galactica'', which has many conspicuously bare structural ribs.
**There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'' , only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties occurred during the venting of the fire and was largely due to the conflicting damage control orders given by Kelly, Tyrol and Tigh rather than the actual impact of the missile.
*In the course of this episode's timeline, [[Lee Adama]] rises from the rank of Captain (CAG of ''[[Galactica]]'') to Major (No details are given on that posting except Adama was assigned to [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]), to Commander and CO of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] in the wake of Commander [[Barry Garner|Barry Garner's]] death saving his ship.
**Major Adama's duty was intended as a temporary stint as ''Pegasus'' acting XO, to familiarize himself with the duties of a senior officer. In the opening scene, he tells [[Anastasia Dualla]] that he expects to return to ''Galactica'' "in a couple of weeks".
*Kara Thrace's posting is finally clarified in this episode: she is now serving as CAG on ''[[Galactica]]''.
**She was transferred to ''Pegasus'' in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and then promoted to that ship's CAG over [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]". In "[[Epiphanies]]", it is made clear that Lee Adama regained his posting as ''Galactica's'' CAG. In "[[Epiphanies]]", Thrace is seen piloting one of ''Galactica's'' Mk. II Vipers with Kat; in "[[Scar]]" she is serving on Galactica, and appears to have assumed the majority of Adama's responsibilities as CAG, although she still takes orders from him.
**During this episode it's mentioned that she's only been on board ''Pegasus'' for four days before getting thrown in the brig, so clearly she isn't ''Pegasus's'' CAG any longer. Thus, despite the great esteem Cain held her in (she was the second speaker at Cain's funeral, after Jack Fisk), it seems clear that she was removed from her position on ''Pegasus'' sometime after Cain's death.

== Notes ==
*Timeline-wise, Baltar says that he made an initial projection of the fleet's population "over seven months ago". This would have been before the arrival of ''Pegasus'', since he said he factored in the arrival of her crew subsequently.
*It has been "almost a month" since Apollo was shot in "[[Sacrifice]]".
*The recap at the beginning of this episode includes two scenes that did not actually appear in any previous episode, but were constructed by redubbing existing footage.
**There scene where Colonel Tigh and Admiral Adama discuss Garner's promotion is constructed from the scene in "Black Market" when Adama and Tigh are telling Apollo to go to ''Pegasus'' on the hangar deck. The scene has been cleverly redubbed, so that Adama is saying entirely new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Tigh'' (not at Adama's face), and then Tigh says new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Adama''.
**The same technique is used when Baltar is talking to Gina: when the camera is pointed at Baltar, we hear [[Gina]] saying "You must betray Roslin and run for President in the upcoming election", but this was never heard in the aired version of "[[Epiphanies]]".
*Capt. [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] is still onboard ''Pegasus'', mentioned by Capt. Thrace as being in the brig for insubordination.
*The adjectival form of "Gemenon" is "Gemenese".
*Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents.
*[[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]].
*The coolant pressure gauges on ''Pegasus'' measure in PSI, presumably [[Wikipedia:Pound-force per square inch|Pound-force per square inch]]. This is consistant with the use of customary units on the Viper Mk. II's [[Altimeter]], seen in "[[Act of Contrition]]".
*Writer Jeff Vlaming references [[Wikipedia:William Shakespeare|Shakespeare]]'s "[[Wikipedia:The Merchant of Venice|The Merchant of Venice]]" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Following the Cylon ambush of '''Pegasus''' and the death of Commander Garner
:'''[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]]''': In your opinion, off the record, what was Garner's flaw?
:'''[[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama]]''': He was used to working with machines. Command is about people.
:'''Admiral Adama''': Remember that, as you take command of "The Beast" ([[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]). Garner was my decision; His failures, my responsibility. Don't let me fail a second time. Congratulations, Commander.

=== Guest Stars ===

*[[IMDB:nm0001334|John Heard]] as Commander [[Barry Garner]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Aaron+Douglas Aaron Douglas] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*Brad Dryborough as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*Christian Tessier as [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
*Amber Rothwell as [[Rya Kibby]]
*Kavan Smith as Lt. [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2015903/ Stephanie von Pfetten] as Cpt. [[Marcia Case|Marcia "Showboat" Case]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Patricia+Idlette Particia Idlette] as [[Sarah Porter]]
*Aaron Pearl as Ensign [[Abel Thornton]]
*Christina Schild as [[Playa Palacios]]
*Tammy Hui as ECO [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]]
*James Bell as Lt. [[Steve Fleer|Steve "Red Devil" Fleer]]
*Kurt Max Runte as Ensign Charles Bellamy
*Kimani Ray Smith as Pegasus Sergeant

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Jeff Vlaming]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

The Captain's Hand

2006-02-20T00:30:51Z

Bane Grievver: Removed some unnecessary lines to make the summary more of a real summary. Got rid of questions that were not really questions

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Adamas.jpg|300px]]
| Title= The Captain's Hand
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 17
| Guests=[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm0900599|Jeff Vlaming]]
| Story=
| Director=[[IMDB:nm0590790|Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate= February 17 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population= 49,584
| Prev= [[Sacrifice]]
| Next= [[Downloaded]]
}}

== Overview ==

''When two Raptors go missing after a training mission, new ''Pegasus'' commander [[Barry Garner]] challenges Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]]'s orders by sending his battlestar directly into the rescue zone--and a trap.''

== Summary ==
*Two [[Raptor|Raptors]] begin a training mission outside [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']], which is near a [[Wikipedia:Binary star system|binary star]], causing [[Dradis|DRADIS]] and communications interference. In the C.I.C., the Raptors disappear from DRADIS, the Comm officer believing that they may be in distress.

*On ''[[Galactica]]'', [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] and the deck crew are in the process of unloading containers, Tyrol finds a pregnant teenager who asks for [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]].

*[[Lee Adama]] arrives on the [[Mercury class battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', where he runs into [[Kara Thrace]]. Lee has been promoted to '''Major''', and both report to Commander Garner in the C.I.C. Garner is quick to chew out now-Captain Thrace over the disapperance of the Raptors.

*[[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]] and [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]] talk in private about the discipline on [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]. Garner thinks that [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] is a huge part of the problem, but Adama defends her, citing her excellent piloting skills. Garner thinks that the virtues learned in his experience as an engineer would do the ship some good.

*On [[Colonial One]], [[Laura_Roslin|President Roslin]] is being hounded by her new aide, [[Tory Foster]] about preparing for the coming election. Elsewhere, [[Tom Zarek]] discusses the idea of presidency, however concedes he's not able to garner support, but is willing to support someone more scientific; [[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]].

*Back on ''Galactica'', Dr. Cottle & Admiral Adama discuss the fate of the young woman found in the container, Rya. Rya mentions the fact that she doesn't want to keep the baby, but Admiral Adama (upon request from the Gemenese delegate) is intent on sending her back to her family. Dr. Cottle suggests that she request asylum aboard ''Galactica''.

*News of [[Rya Kibby|Rya's]] asylum request has raised a stir amongst the Fleet. [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] discusses the issue with Admiral Adama, [[Tory Foster]], and Delegate [[Sarah_Porter|Sarah Porter]] from Gemenon. Delegate Porter mentions that the abortion is a obscenity and demands that the girl be returned to her parents. Officially, President Roslin responds by saying the asylum request is under review. Afterwards, President Roslin mentions she's not willing to even consider the idea of abortion. She eventually announces to the fleet an Executive Order making abortion by mother or doctor subject to criminal arrest.

*While reviewing the last transmissions from the Raptors, [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] makes a startling discovery, in that the reason for the disappearance may be the result of answering a supposed distress call. She attempts to bring this up with Commander Garner, who flatly rejects the theory.

*At the last known position, the additional search parties learn of the distress call that lured the first Raptors away. Commander Garner decides to start preparing the Pegasus for jump.

*Over wireless, [[Barry Garner|Commander Garner]], [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]], and [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] discuss the missing raptor situation. Commander Garner feels that the Pegasus should jump to bring home the missing crews and ships. When the Admiral asks Lee if he concurs, Lee discusses Starbuck's theory that the raptor were drawn into a Cylon trap. Admiral Adama is inclined to agree with the Major and Starbuck, and orders a recon mission to ascertain the fate of the two raptors. Garner is furious over the decision, and orders Major Adama off the C.I.C.

*Garner decides to make the jump regardless of Adama's orders. Raptors are launched from ''Pegasus'' towards the now located raptors, only to find both Raptor crews dead. At that moment, three [[Basestar (RDM)|Basestar]] jump into view which begin attacking ''Pegasus'' with conventional and nuclear missile barrages seconds after their arrival.

*During the course of the assault, [[Pegasus|''Pegasus's'']] [[FTL]] drive is disabled. Garner attempts to determine the cause from C.I.C., but is unable to do so due to the confusion of the Engineering crew. Commander Garner decides to head down to the engine room to ascertain the damage, and transfers command of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] to Major Adama. Adama, after a moment of hesitation, swings into action, ordering ''Pegasus'' into the fray, closing with one of the Basestars and engaging it with the forward batteries, severely damaging the Cylon ship.

*Through Garner's successful repair of their FTL system, ''Pegasus'' manages to jump away. Commander Garner, however, is killed in the process.

*In [[William Adama|Admiral Adama's]] quarters, the Admiral and [[Lee Adama|Major Adama]] review the reports from the incident on ''Pegasus''. After pointing out that Lee was more forgiving of the late Commander than Starbuck was, Admiral Adama asks what Garner's fatal flaw was. Lee responds that Garner was accustomed to working with machines, but that command is about people. The Admiral asks Lee to keep that in mind, as he offers Lee the job of commanding ''Pegasus'', along with a promotion to Commander.

*[[Gaius Baltar|Gaius Baltar]] proclaims his candidacy for President of the Colonies in the Presidential election in the midst of a press conference called by [[Laura Roslin|President Roslin]] regarding abortion in the Fleet.

== Questions ==

*Was Baltar's report real, or was it just invented to produce the opportunity to drive his wedge?

*Who will replace Baltar as Roslin's Vice President?
**Can Roslin actually pick another Vice President, under Colonial law, if Baltar refuses to resign? One of the reporters at the end actually directly asked if Baltar would remain as Vice President. Perhaps Roslin cannot forcibly remove Baltar from his office just because he's running aginst her.
*How will Zarek position himself in the Baltar campaign?
***Does Zarek plan to have Baltar killed, as per his plan in "[[Colonial Day]]"?
*Will Tigh accept the fact that Lee Adama now outranks him and has command of a ship? Or does Saul have no interest in command and already told Admiral Adama that before the posting was offered to Lee?
*What will happen to Rya, now that she had been granted asylum on ''Galactica''?
*Why was Lee promoted straight from Major to Commander? Can a Colonel not be placed in command of a battlestar for long-term purposes?
*Had Garner been serving as XO to ''Pegasus's''' previous commander, the late [[Jack Fisk]]?
*Does the fact that the Cylons had such a large force waiting to ambush ''Pegasus'' indicate that they have a new [[Resurrection Ship]] in place?
*How could the pro-abortion law be established throughout the colonies against the religious views of at least one planet? Was it introduced only recently?

== Analysis ==
*When Baltar announces his candidacy for the Presidency, Number Six applauds with a slow clap. This action runs in parallel to how then-Commander William Adama led the entire crew in a long, drawn-out slow clap in respect of President Roslin when she was re-instated to her office in "[[Home, Part II]]".
*Survivor count is decremented by six from "[[Sacrifice]]", but seven people died in that episode - terrorists [[Sesha Abinell]], [[Vinson]], [[Page]] and [[Chu]], two unnamed marines, and civilian [[Billy Keikeya]]. At least one birth must have taken place to offset the population count between the two episodes.
*Based on the ''[[Colonial One]]'' whiteboard seen toward the end of the episode, only five people died as a result of the ambush on ''Pegasus'': [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]], [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]], the unnamed crew of [[Raptor 314]], and Commander [[Barry Garner]].
**This casualty figure is conspicuously low, considering that ''Galactica'' lost 85 crewmen as the result of a hit by a single nuclear missile in the [[miniseries]], while ''Pegasus'' is hit with no less than three in this episode.
**On the other hand, it is at least consistent with the surprisingly low number of casualties incurred in the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], and may indicate that the hull armor on ''Pegasus'' is significantly stronger than on ''Galactica'', which has many conspicuously bare structural ribs.
**There may be two further explanations for this (1) that the board hadn't been updated to reflect the damage on the ''Pegasus'' , only the pilots lost. (2) A large number of the ''Galactica'' casualties occurred during the venting of the fire and was largely due to the conflicting damage control orders given by Kelly, Tyrol and Tigh rather than the actual impact of the missile.
*In the course of this episode's timeline, [[Lee Adama]] rises from the rank of Captain (CAG of ''[[Galactica]]'') to Major (No details are given on that posting except Adama was assigned to [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]), to Commander and CO of [[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']] in the wake of Commander [[Barry Garner|Barry Garner's]] death saving his ship.
**Major Adama's duty was intended as a temporary stint as ''Pegasus'' acting XO, to familiarize himself with the duties of a senior officer. In the opening scene, he tells [[Anastasia Dualla]] that he expects to return to ''Galactica'' "in a couple of weeks".
*Garner's decision to mount a rescue operation in contravention of his commanding officer's orders is an explicit parallel to "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", down to the choice of words:
:'''Adama:''' "I'm getting my men."
:'''Garner:''' "I'm going to get our men."
*Kara Thrace's posting is finally clarified in this episode: she is now serving as CAG on ''[[Galactica]]''.
**She was transferred to ''Pegasus'' in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]" and then promoted to that ship's CAG over [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]". In "[[Epiphanies]]", it is made clear that Lee Adama regained his posting as ''Galactica's'' CAG. In "[[Epiphanies]]", Thrace is seen piloting one of ''Galactica's'' Mk. II Vipers with Kat; in "[[Scar]]" she is serving on Galactica, and appears to have assumed the majority of Adama's responsibilities as CAG, although she still takes orders from him.
**During this episode it's mentioned that she's only been on board ''Pegasus'' for four days before getting thrown in the brig, so clearly she isn't ''Pegasus's'' CAG any longer. Thus, despite the great esteem Cain held her in (she was the second speaker at Cain's funeral, after Jack Fisk), it seems clear that she was removed from her position on ''Pegasus'' sometime after Cain's death.

== Notes ==
*Timeline-wise, Baltar says that he made an initial projection of the fleet's population "over seven months ago". This would have been before the arrival of ''Pegasus'', since he said he factored in the arrival of her crew subsequently.
*It has been "almost a month" since Apollo was shot in "[[Sacrifice]]".
*The recap at the beginning of this episode includes two scenes that did not actually appear in any previous episode, but were constructed by redubbing existing footage.
**There scene where Colonel Tigh and Admiral Adama discuss Garner's promotion is constructed from the scene in "Black Market" when Adama and Tigh are telling Apollo to go to ''Pegasus'' on the hangar deck. The scene has been cleverly redubbed, so that Adama is saying entirely new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Tigh'' (not at Adama's face), and then Tigh says new lines when the camera is pointed at ''Adama''.
**The same technique is used when Baltar is talking to Gina: when the camera is pointed at Baltar, we hear [[Gina]] saying "You must betray Roslin and run for President in the upcoming election", but this was never heard in the aired version of "[[Epiphanies]]".
*Capt. [[Cole Taylor|Cole "Stinger" Taylor]] is still onboard ''Pegasus'', mentioned by Capt. Thrace as being in the brig for insubordination.
*The adjectival form of "Gemenon" is "Gemenese".
*Under Gemenese law, minors are the "property" of their parents.
*[[Mercury class battlestar]]s do not need to retract their flight pods prior to a jump, unlike the [[Galactica type battlestar|Galactica type]].
*The coolant pressure gauges on ''Pegasus'' measure in PSI, presumably [[Wikipedia:Pound-force per square inch|Pound-force per square inch]]. This is consistant with the use of customary units on the Viper Mk. II's [[Altimeter]], seen in "[[Act of Contrition]]".
*Writer Jeff Vlaming references [[Wikipedia:William Shakespeare|Shakespeare]]'s "[[Wikipedia:The Merchant of Venice|The Merchant of Venice]]" when he has [[Laura Roslin]] tell [[Quorum of Twelve]] delegate [[Sarah Porter]], "you have your pound of flesh".

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Following the Cylon ambush of '''Pegasus''' and the death of Commander Garner
:'''[[William Adama|Admiral Adama]]''': In your opinion, off the record, what was Garner's flaw?
:'''[[Lee Adama|Major Lee Adama]]''': He was used to working with machines. Command is about people.
:'''Admiral Adama''': Remember that, as you take command of "The Beast" ([[Pegasus (RDM)|''Pegasus'']]). Garner was my decision; His failures, my responsibility. Don't let me fail a second time. Congratulations, Commander.

=== Guest Stars ===

*[[IMDB:nm0001334|John Heard]] as Commander [[Barry Garner]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Aaron+Douglas Aaron Douglas] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicki+Clyne Nicki Clyne] as Specialist [[Cally]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]
*Brad Dryborough as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*Christian Tessier as [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
*Amber Rothwell as [[Rya Kibby]]
*Kavan Smith as Lt. [[Richard Bayer|Richard "Buster" Bayer]]
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2015903/ Stephanie von Pfetten] as Cpt. [[Marcia Case|Marcia "Showboat" Case]]
*[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Patricia+Idlette Particia Idlette] as [[Sarah Porter]]
*Aaron Pearl as Ensign [[Abel Thornton]]
*Christina Schild as [[Playa Palacios]]
*Tammy Hui as ECO [[Lyla Ellway|Lyla "Shark" Ellway]]
*James Bell as Lt. [[Steve Fleer|Steve "Red Devil" Fleer]]
*Kurt Max Runte as Ensign Charles Bellamy
*Kimani Ray Smith as Pegasus Sergeant

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Jeff Vlaming]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

Talk:The Captain's Hand/Archive 1

2006-02-18T04:21:52Z

Bane Grievver: /* Not ANOTHER Commander! */

Talk:The Captain's Hand/Archive 1

2006-02-18T04:18:41Z

Bane Grievver: /* Episode Impressions */

Talk:The Captain's Hand/Archive 1

2006-02-18T04:02:26Z

Bane Grievver:

Well I think that was a damn good episode, a good improvement over some of the previous episodes. --[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 23:02, 17 February 2006 (EST)

Sacrifice

2006-02-17T00:33:27Z

Bane Grievver: /* Questions */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Sacrifice3.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Sacrifice
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 16
| Guests= [[IMDB:nm0001127|Dana Delany]] as [[Sesha Abinell]]
| Writer=[[IMDB: nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]]
| Story=
| Director=Rey Villalobos
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate=February 10 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population=49,590
| Prev= [[Scar]]
| Next= [[The Captain's Hand]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''The'' [[Cloud 9]]'s ''lounge is under attack by terrorists who are convinced that [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] is playing the military. The leader of this quartet, [[Sesha Abinell]], demands that the invaluable Valerii be brought to her -- otherwise [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Anastasia Dualla]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Billy Keikeya]] and others will be executed.''

== Summary ==

*[[Billy Keikeya]] proposes to [[Anastasia Dualla]], who flatly refuses. Later on, Dualla and [[Lee Adama]] discuss the incident while on leave aboard ''[[Cloud 9]]'', at one of the ship's drinking and dining establishments.

*Keikeya, also aboard ''Cloud 9'', finds Dualla there. In an awkward moment, arises when he discovers that she is with Lee Adama. Adama leaves the two to talk, going to sit at the bar, where he encounters [[Ellen Tigh]], who begins to flirt with him.

*Three men and a woman named [[Sesha Abinell]] lay siege to the establishment, taking the guests hostage, and sealing the area off from the rest of the ship. Abinell's husband was killed aboard the ''[[Greenleaf]]'' when the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attacked it ten weeks ago, and she decides to exact vengeance.

*Before the terrorists lay siege, Lee Adama asks Ellen Tigh to come with him into the restroom. Tigh follows, thinking that Adama has invited her for a sexual tryst. But Lee Adama had predicted the situation. As a gambit to confuse the terrorists, Adama takes the dry ice from Tigh's drink and uses it to sabotage one of the oxygen sensors. In the meantime, Tigh leaves the restroom and loudly announces herself to the terrorists.
[[Image:Sesha.jpg|thumb|Sesha Abinell.]]
*Abinell demands that Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] turn over Cylon [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] to her, seeking Valerii's life in compensation for her husband's. She is infuriated that Admiral Adama and Roslin continue to allow one of their greatest enemies to live in their midst, even caged. She believes that Valerii is compromising the security of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and that the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon holocaust]] was due to similar Cylon infiltration of the military.

*Abinell sends one of her men into the restroom to find anyone else they haven't rounded up. Captain Adama gets the drop on him and takes his gun, taking him out, threatening to kill him if the hostages are not released. Abinell threatens to kill Dualla if Adama refuses to surrender. Adama drops the empty threat and surrenders.

*Captain Adama's small-scale sabotage works, and the terrorists demand repairs to be made to the ship's oxygen systems.

*[[Kara Thrace]], along with a detachment of [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]], are also on leave aboard ''Cloud 9''. They quickly plan a recon mission — Thrace disguises herself as the technician sent to repair the air system. Her job is to reconnoiter the situation and return with details.

*Thrace's cover is blown when Ellen Tigh recognizes her as one of ''Galactica's'' pilots. Thrace draws two pistols and begins shooting at the terrorists, soon aided by the marines. Two marines are killed, along with one of the hostage-takers. In addition, Thrace accidentally shoots Lee Adama. Thrace and the surviving marines retreat, and the situation is only exacerbated.

*The situation prompts Admiral Adama to once again consider the value of Sharon Valerii to him. Speaking with Valerii, she reminds the admiral that she saved the Fleet five or six times. Adama asks if she would reveal the identities of other Cylon agents in the Fleet. She refuses.

*Admiral Adama agrees to give the terrorists the dead body of Sharon Valerii in return for the hostages. However, he secretly delivers the dead copy of Valerii known as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]]. When the terrorists realize the ploy, Sesha orders the terrorist [[Vinson]] to kill [[Anastasia Dualla]]. [[Billy Keikeya]] seizes one of the terrorists' guns and kills Vinson, but is mortally wounded by Vinson's return fire as marines storm the lounge. Abinell is killed by marines, her body falling atop Boomer's body.

*In the aftermath, Dualla stays with Lee Adama in the infirmary, promising to stay with him until he recovers. Laura Roslin grieves the death of Keikeya, who had become "the closest thing [she] had to family."

== Questions ==

* Who leaked out the information that Valerii was on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''?
**Given that Caprica-Valerii has been taken to the middle of CIC, to Adama's quarters, to [[sickbay]], and transfered through open hallways, it could have been just any random crewmen by this point.
** Now that this information has been confirmed, thanks to the actions of Abinell and her conspirators, what kind of backlash should Roslin and Adama expect to face?
**Sesha seemed to have some conspiracy theory leaflets suspecting Cylon reproduction programs, etc. but whether these were substantiated or based on pure rumor is unclear. Rumor could possibly have spread from guards, personnel, etc. who can see that she is now pregnant.
**As noted in previous [[Final Cut|episodes]], it it likely that Admiral Adama had a blanket order to all crewmembers not to discuss the existence of the second Valerii to civilians. However, with the introduction of ''Pegasus'', the fog of rumor that may have kept Valerii's existence vague likely dissipated.
**Baltar was openly accused of this in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", and Roslin even had a Fleet-wide press conference to exhonerate him of these charges.
* Who will become Roslin's new assistant? Was there a replacement groomed for the position at all previous to the events in this episode?
**During early episodes of season 1, nameless aides with no dialog can be seen trailing Roslin and Billy. In the DVD commentary for these episodes, RDM and Eick explain how they gradually just stopped using an entourage of aides with Roslin, and mulled over the idea of eventually working them back into the show. Perhaps this could be used to compensate for Billy's removal.
* Where did Abinell and her people get the weapons? Were they purchased from the [[Black market (organization)|Black Market]]?
* What were Ellen Tigh intentions? (She practically gives away Thrace's cover and announces that she is the wife of ''Galactica'''s XO.) What was the purpose? Was there one at all, or was Ellen Tigh just being an idiot again?
** Based on her demeanor, it would be safe to say that she was looking out for her interests, knowing that her position (being the colonel's wife) would keep her relatively safe.
* Is the relationship between Apollo and Dee against military protocol in the same way that Tyrol and Valerii's relationship was, or have the rules on Colonial officers and NCO fraternization been relaxed?
**Just how far does the non-association protocol even extend anymore? What is the exact nature of the non-association protocol? Is it against officers having relationships with enlisted crewmen, or even enlisted crewmen having relationships with other enlisted crewmen (i.e. preventing Tyrol and Cally from having a relationship)? In "[[Litmus]]," Tyrol was willing to lie under oath (and all of his deckhands were willing to lie under oath) rather than let Tyrol face the punishment associated with continuing his relationship. Apollo and Dualla are in the same position as Boomer and Tyrol; one is an officer having a relationship with an enlisted crewman. Apollo and Dualla have an even greater gap between them, as Apollo is among the highest-ranking officers on ''Galactica'', and Dualla is a lower-ranking enlisted creman than Tyrol was.
***In "[[Litmus]]", Sergeant [[Hadrian]] questions Commander Adama: "Sir, isn't it true that you knew that Lt. Valerii and Chief Tyrol were having an illicit relationship, in violation of regulations?" The expressions on Tyrol's deck crew and others aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Miniseries]]) as Tyrol and Valerii (poorly) attempt to cover their intentions indicate many members of the ship were quite aware of their affair. The rules on fraternization are likely very similar to those found in [http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/fraternization/ the US Army regulations that prohibit business or personal relationships] only between an officer and an enlisted crewmember. (Chief Tyrol, while among the highest ranking members of ''Galactica's'' crew, is still a ''non-commissioned'' officer.) However, with the near-annihilation of humanity and the need for population growth, the rules are likely relaxed, with command staff monitoring the situation on a case-by-case basis (note Admiral Adama's last statement to his son at the end of the episode, "[[Black Market]]," indicating that the admiral, too, has his sources of information about the personal affairs of his officers).
* [[Saul Tigh]]'s prejudices were fully and repeatedly exposed in relation to [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] (eg. describing her as a thing, objecting to [[William Adama]]'s reflexively referring to the prisoner by her assumed name). Will this begin to affect the close relationship between these two in future episodes? Will it deteriorate to a point where the XO will be relieved again in relation to a decision made by Adama as he once was in [[You Can't Go Home Again]]?

== Analysis ==
*[[Sesha Abinell]]'s husband [[Ray Abinell|Ray]] was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode. The only change in the [[survivor count]] which remains unaccounted for was between "Home, Part I" and "Home, Part II", however, those episodes must have taken place well before Ray Abinell's death ten weeks prior to this episode. Other possibilities include Ray's death during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], although ''[[Greenleaf]]'' would have been far from the sight of combat; or his death being offset by a birth in between episodes.
* The final scene recalls that of Resurrection Ship Part II, except that Starbuck and Dee's roles are reversed.

== Notes ==
*Continuing from "[[Scar]]", this is the second episode in a row that Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] have not appeared in.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Saul Tigh observing Sharon Valerii's exit from William Adama's office:''
:'''Saul Tigh:''' You know, if people knew how much you've relied on that thing's so called intelligence, they'd be scared out of their wits.
:'''William Adama:''' What about you, Saul? Are you afraid of her?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' You know, the truth is I don't like the way it's gotten under your skin.

*''After a bout of negotiations with Sesha Abinell, leader of the Cloud 9 terrorists, Adama briefly confers with Tigh:''
:'''William Adama:''' Saul, we can't give her Sharon. I hope you know that, right?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' I know that. Against our dealing with the terrorists... if we start now, it'll open the floodgates; and it will never stop. And by the way, it's not Sharon. It's a frakking Cylon.
:'''William Adama:''' You don't think I know that?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' I think there's part of you that looks into that thing's eyes and still sees that young girl that reported aboard two years ago as a rook pilot. Well, it's not. It never was. Bill, it's a machine.

*''Crisis conference between the President, the Admiral and the XO regarding how the terrorists demands should ultimately be dealt with:''
:'''Saul Tigh:''' What if they're right? What if Sharon has been playing us all, plotting our destruction with every passing day? What if the terrorists are right?
:'''Laura Roslin:''' This isn't about Sharon. It's about something much bigger than that. It's about the long term survival of the Fleet. It's about the way we conduct ourselves in all of this.

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*Unknown as [[Chu]]
*Unknown as [[Vinson]]
*Unknown as [[Page]]
*Michael Ryan as [[Ray Abinell]]
*Adrien Hughes as Lt. [[Terry Burrell]]
*Erica Carroll as Civilian
*James Upton as Environmental Specialist
*Georgia Hacche as Petty Officer [[Sion]]

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Anne Cofell Saunders]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Rey Villalobos]]

Sacrifice

2006-02-17T00:32:56Z

Bane Grievver: /* Questions */

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:Sacrifice3.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Sacrifice
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 16
| Guests= [[IMDB:nm0001127|Dana Delany]] as [[Sesha Abinell]]
| Writer=[[IMDB: nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]]
| Story=
| Director=Rey Villalobos
| Production=
| Rating=
| US Airdate=February 10 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population=49,590
| Prev= [[Scar]]
| Next= [[The Captain's Hand]]
}}

== Overview ==

: ''The'' [[Cloud 9]]'s ''lounge is under attack by terrorists who are convinced that [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] is playing the military. The leader of this quartet, [[Sesha Abinell]], demands that the invaluable Valerii be brought to her -- otherwise [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Anastasia Dualla]], [[Lee Adama]], [[Billy Keikeya]] and others will be executed.''

== Summary ==

*[[Billy Keikeya]] proposes to [[Anastasia Dualla]], who flatly refuses. Later on, Dualla and [[Lee Adama]] discuss the incident while on leave aboard ''[[Cloud 9]]'', at one of the ship's drinking and dining establishments.

*Keikeya, also aboard ''Cloud 9'', finds Dualla there. In an awkward moment, arises when he discovers that she is with Lee Adama. Adama leaves the two to talk, going to sit at the bar, where he encounters [[Ellen Tigh]], who begins to flirt with him.

*Three men and a woman named [[Sesha Abinell]] lay siege to the establishment, taking the guests hostage, and sealing the area off from the rest of the ship. Abinell's husband was killed aboard the ''[[Greenleaf]]'' when the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attacked it ten weeks ago, and she decides to exact vengeance.

*Before the terrorists lay siege, Lee Adama asks Ellen Tigh to come with him into the restroom. Tigh follows, thinking that Adama has invited her for a sexual tryst. But Lee Adama had predicted the situation. As a gambit to confuse the terrorists, Adama takes the dry ice from Tigh's drink and uses it to sabotage one of the oxygen sensors. In the meantime, Tigh leaves the restroom and loudly announces herself to the terrorists.
[[Image:Sesha.jpg|thumb|Sesha Abinell.]]
*Abinell demands that Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] turn over Cylon [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] to her, seeking Valerii's life in compensation for her husband's. She is infuriated that Admiral Adama and Roslin continue to allow one of their greatest enemies to live in their midst, even caged. She believes that Valerii is compromising the security of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], and that the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon holocaust]] was due to similar Cylon infiltration of the military.

*Abinell sends one of her men into the restroom to find anyone else they haven't rounded up. Captain Adama gets the drop on him and takes his gun, taking him out, threatening to kill him if the hostages are not released. Abinell threatens to kill Dualla if Adama refuses to surrender. Adama drops the empty threat and surrenders.

*Captain Adama's small-scale sabotage works, and the terrorists demand repairs to be made to the ship's oxygen systems.

*[[Kara Thrace]], along with a detachment of [[Colonial Marine Corps|marines]], are also on leave aboard ''Cloud 9''. They quickly plan a recon mission — Thrace disguises herself as the technician sent to repair the air system. Her job is to reconnoiter the situation and return with details.

*Thrace's cover is blown when Ellen Tigh recognizes her as one of ''Galactica's'' pilots. Thrace draws two pistols and begins shooting at the terrorists, soon aided by the marines. Two marines are killed, along with one of the hostage-takers. In addition, Thrace accidentally shoots Lee Adama. Thrace and the surviving marines retreat, and the situation is only exacerbated.

*The situation prompts Admiral Adama to once again consider the value of Sharon Valerii to him. Speaking with Valerii, she reminds the admiral that she saved the Fleet five or six times. Adama asks if she would reveal the identities of other Cylon agents in the Fleet. She refuses.

*Admiral Adama agrees to give the terrorists the dead body of Sharon Valerii in return for the hostages. However, he secretly delivers the dead copy of Valerii known as [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]]. When the terrorists realize the ploy, Sesha orders the terrorist [[Vinson]] to kill [[Anastasia Dualla]]. [[Billy Keikeya]] seizes one of the terrorists' guns and kills Vinson, but is mortally wounded by Vinson's return fire as marines storm the lounge. Abinell is killed by marines, her body falling atop Boomer's body.

*In the aftermath, Dualla stays with Lee Adama in the infirmary, promising to stay with him until he recovers. Laura Roslin grieves the death of Keikeya, who had become "the closest thing [she] had to family."

== Questions ==

* Who leaked out the information that Valerii was on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''?
**Given that Caprica-Valerii has been taken to the middle of CIC, to Adama's quarters, to [[sickbay]], and transfered through open hallways, it could have been just any random crewmen by this point.
** Now that this information has been confirmed, thanks to the actions of Abinell and her conspirators, what kind of backlash should Roslin and Adama expect to face?

**Sesha seemed to have some conspiracy theory leaflets suspecting Cylon reproduction programs, etc. but whether these were substantiated or based on pure rumor is unclear. Rumor could possibly have spread from guards, personnel, etc. who can see that she is now pregnant.
**As noted in previous [[Final Cut|episodes]], it it likely that Admiral Adama had a blanket order to all crewmembers not to discuss the existence of the second Valerii to civilians. However, with the introduction of ''Pegasus'', the fog of rumor that may have kept Valerii's existence vague likely dissipated.
**Baltar was openly accused of this in "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]", and Roslin even had a Fleet-wide press conference to exhonerate him of these charges.
* Who will become Roslin's new assistant? Was there a replacement groomed for the position at all previous to the events in this episode?
**During early episodes of season 1, nameless aides with no dialog can be seen trailing Roslin and Billy. In the DVD commentary for these episodes, RDM and Eick explain how they gradually just stopped using an entourage of aides with Roslin, and mulled over the idea of eventually working them back into the show. Perhaps this could be used to compensate for Billy's removal.
* Where did Abinell and her people get the weapons? Were they purchased from the [[Black market (organization)|Black Market]]?
* What were Ellen Tigh intentions? (She practically gives away Thrace's cover and announces that she is the wife of ''Galactica'''s XO.) What was the purpose? Was there one at all, or was Ellen Tigh just being an idiot again?
** Based on her demeanor, it would be safe to say that she was looking out for her interests, knowing that her position (being the colonel's wife) would keep her relatively safe.
* Is the relationship between Apollo and Dee against military protocol in the same way that Tyrol and Valerii's relationship was, or have the rules on Colonial officers and NCO fraternization been relaxed?
**Just how far does the non-association protocol even extend anymore? What is the exact nature of the non-association protocol? Is it against officers having relationships with enlisted crewmen, or even enlisted crewmen having relationships with other enlisted crewmen (i.e. preventing Tyrol and Cally from having a relationship)? In "[[Litmus]]," Tyrol was willing to lie under oath (and all of his deckhands were willing to lie under oath) rather than let Tyrol face the punishment associated with continuing his relationship. Apollo and Dualla are in the same position as Boomer and Tyrol; one is an officer having a relationship with an enlisted crewman. Apollo and Dualla have an even greater gap between them, as Apollo is among the highest-ranking officers on ''Galactica'', and Dualla is a lower-ranking enlisted creman than Tyrol was.
***In "[[Litmus]]", Sergeant [[Hadrian]] questions Commander Adama: "Sir, isn't it true that you knew that Lt. Valerii and Chief Tyrol were having an illicit relationship, in violation of regulations?" The expressions on Tyrol's deck crew and others aboard ''Galactica'' ([[Miniseries]]) as Tyrol and Valerii (poorly) attempt to cover their intentions indicate many members of the ship were quite aware of their affair. The rules on fraternization are likely very similar to those found in [http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/fraternization/ the US Army regulations that prohibit business or personal relationships] only between an officer and an enlisted crewmember. (Chief Tyrol, while among the highest ranking members of ''Galactica's'' crew, is still a ''non-commissioned'' officer.) However, with the near-annihilation of humanity and the need for population growth, the rules are likely relaxed, with command staff monitoring the situation on a case-by-case basis (note Admiral Adama's last statement to his son at the end of the episode, "[[Black Market]]," indicating that the admiral, too, has his sources of information about the personal affairs of his officers).
* [[Saul Tigh]]'s prejudices were fully and repeatedly exposed in relation to [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] (eg. describing her as a thing, objecting to [[William Adama]]'s reflexively referring to the prisoner by her assumed name). Will this begin to affect the close relationship between these two in future episodes? Will it deteriorate to a point where the XO will be relieved again in relation to a decision made by Adama as he once was in [[You Can't Go Home Again]]?

== Analysis ==
*[[Sesha Abinell]]'s husband [[Ray Abinell|Ray]] was killed during a Cylon attack ten weeks prior to this episode. The only change in the [[survivor count]] which remains unaccounted for was between "Home, Part I" and "Home, Part II", however, those episodes must have taken place well before Ray Abinell's death ten weeks prior to this episode. Other possibilities include Ray's death during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]], although ''[[Greenleaf]]'' would have been far from the sight of combat; or his death being offset by a birth in between episodes.
* The final scene recalls that of Resurrection Ship Part II, except that Starbuck and Dee's roles are reversed.

== Notes ==
*Continuing from "[[Scar]]", this is the second episode in a row that Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Number Six]] have not appeared in.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Saul Tigh observing Sharon Valerii's exit from William Adama's office:''
:'''Saul Tigh:''' You know, if people knew how much you've relied on that thing's so called intelligence, they'd be scared out of their wits.
:'''William Adama:''' What about you, Saul? Are you afraid of her?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' You know, the truth is I don't like the way it's gotten under your skin.

*''After a bout of negotiations with Sesha Abinell, leader of the Cloud 9 terrorists, Adama briefly confers with Tigh:''
:'''William Adama:''' Saul, we can't give her Sharon. I hope you know that, right?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' I know that. Against our dealing with the terrorists... if we start now, it'll open the floodgates; and it will never stop. And by the way, it's not Sharon. It's a frakking Cylon.
:'''William Adama:''' You don't think I know that?
:'''Saul Tigh:''' I think there's part of you that looks into that thing's eyes and still sees that young girl that reported aboard two years ago as a rook pilot. Well, it's not. It never was. Bill, it's a machine.

*''Crisis conference between the President, the Admiral and the XO regarding how the terrorists demands should ultimately be dealt with:''
:'''Saul Tigh:''' What if they're right? What if Sharon has been playing us all, plotting our destruction with every passing day? What if the terrorists are right?
:'''Laura Roslin:''' This isn't about Sharon. It's about something much bigger than that. It's about the long term survival of the Fleet. It's about the way we conduct ourselves in all of this.

== Official Statements ==

== Statistics ==

=== Guest Stars ===
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*Unknown as [[Chu]]
*Unknown as [[Vinson]]
*Unknown as [[Page]]
*Michael Ryan as [[Ray Abinell]]
*Adrien Hughes as Lt. [[Terry Burrell]]
*Erica Carroll as Civilian
*James Upton as Environmental Specialist
*Georgia Hacche as Petty Officer [[Sion]]

{{Episode List}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Anne Cofell Saunders]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Rey Villalobos]]

Talk:Sacrifice/Archive 1

2006-02-13T02:46:01Z

Bane Grievver:

Scifi.com is now calling this episode "Sacrifices", plural. Could this be a typo (it's only on one page), or is the name actually different? --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 17:24, 4 February 2006 (EST)

:Moore called it "Sacrifice" in the singular in the podcast. Let's leave it be until Friday. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:25, 4 February 2006 (EST)

::As do all other textual references on the site. Must have been a typo. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:10, 10 February 2006 (EST)

Good job on this page all, It takes a lot to impress me, and I think you guys did well......... Wow a blue car!
[[User:Bane Grievver|Bane Grievver]] 21:43, 12 February 2006 (EST)

2006-01-28T23:11:53Z

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2006-01-24T02:29:12Z

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2006-01-21T19:21:56Z

Bane Grievver:

Epiphanies

2006-01-21T18:43:00Z

Bane Grievver:

{{Episode Data|
Image = [[Image:2BATejC05.jpg|300px]]
| Title= Epiphanies
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]
| Episode= 13
| Guests=[http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Colm+Feore Colm Feore] ([[Adar (RDM)|President Adar]])
| Writer=[[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]]
| Story=
| Director=[[Rod Hardy]]
| Production=2.13
| Rating=
| US Airdate=January 20 2006
| UK Airdate=
| DVD=
| Population=49,598
| Prev= [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]
| Next= [[Black Market]]
}}




== Overview ==

: ''Admiral [[William Adama]] questions whether or not [[Sharon Valerii]]'s pregnancy should be aborted. Meanwhile Roslin's health declines rapidly as a pro-Cylon peace group attempts to sow civil disobedience within the Fleet.''

== Summary ==

* President [[Laura Roslin]] is brought on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. She is near death and has, at best, days to live.
* Captain [[Kara Thrace]] and Lieutenant [[Louanne Katraine]] are conducting Viper tests. During a test of the Viper's projectile systems, Kat's port turret is destroyed and a piece of it impacts on Thrace's cockpit. Thrace requests priority landing; both Vipers land.
* [[Cally]] and CPO [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] discover that several rounds of ammunition from the damaged Viper are unusually light and fragile. A round of such ammunition would easily break as the cartridge loaded into the chamber and misfire, leaving the projectile lodged in the barrel. The next round loaded would then have ''two'' bullets in front of the propellant charge, and the resulting over-pressure would tear the gun barrel apart. Undoubtedly, someone is trying to sabotage the fleet's military readiness.
*The sabotage investigation quickly leads Lee Adama and Kara Thrace to Asha Yonick, one of the recent civilian hirees in ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'''s armory. When they apprehend her, she declares her allegiance to a self-proclaimed pacifist organization that wants peace with the Cylons.
*Vice President Baltar is given the presidential tour by [[Billy Keikeya]] in preparation for his assumption of the Presidency. Billy gives Baltar a letter from Roslin to be opened after her death.
* The new peace movement, led by Royan Yaheed, is gaining momentum in the civilian population as people begin to realize that victory against the Cylons is impossible as well as questioning the current military tactic of 'attack-and-retreat'.

===On Caprica Prior to the Cylon Attack===
*Roslin finds out she has cancer
*Roslin meets with President Adar to discuss a teacher's strike, and his response.
*Roslin meets with the leader of the educational alliance, Lynn Stanz, and strikes an agreement.
*Adar disagrees with Roslin's methods and results, and asks for her resignation.
*Roslin then leaves for ''Galactica'''s decommisioning ceremony, telling Adar that "If you want my resignation when I get back, be prepared to fight for it."

== Questions ==


* In the flashbacks in this episode, we learn that Laura Roslin saw Gaius Baltar and Six together prior to the Cylons' all-out attack against the 12 colonies in the miniseries. We also see a picture of Six (the copy of her that posed as "Shelley Godfrey") in the folder marked "Known Cylon Agents." At some point, Roslin is going to come to the realization that she saw Baltar with an enemy agent just prior to the attack. The only question, of course, is when?

== Analysis ==

* At the end, we are shown that the bomb Dr. Baltar gave the resistance was the nuclear warhead he was given to create his Cylon Detector.
* [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon's]] baby's blood was used to apparently destroy the cancerous masses in Roslin's system. The procedure to abort Sharon's fetus was not performed.
* The survivor count this episode is 49,598, a net loss of six since [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]. [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] and the ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' marine killed by [[Gina]] account for two. Presumably the remaining were pilots or crew lost during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|attack]] on the [[Resurrection Ship]].
* Roslin's affair with Adar was suggested by her comment in the [[miniseries]] that "he had a way about him... you just couldn't say 'no' to him."



== Notes ==

* This episode takes place between 189 and 191 days after the Cylon attack on the colonies.
* [[Lee Adama]] is once again a Captain, and has been reinstated as ''Galactica'''s CAG.
* [[Gina]] has apparently become a member of the pro-Cylon resistance. The other members of the resistance are apparently unaware she is a [[Humano-Cylon]].
* Roslin apparently was in an intimate relationship with President Adar.
* Roslin sees Dr. Baltar in an intimate moment with Number Six on Caprica, prior to the attacks.
* The radiation symbol used by the colonials is different from the one used in reality, but is still easily recognizable.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

'''Secretary Roslin:''' "I'm on my way to the ''Galactica'' to represent this administration. If you want my resignation when I get back, be prepared to fight for it."

'''President Richard Adar:''' "One of the interesting things about being President, you don't have to explain yourself. To anyone."
*Roslin earlier attributed this saying to Adar in the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]".

== Official Statements ==




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Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part II/Archive 1

2006-01-17T02:22:54Z

Bane Grievver: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */

==Spoiler Pics==
I have found a few spoiler pics for the upcomming episode. (You have been warned) [http://static.flickr.com/42/78613683_f09776998e_o.jpg Pic 1], [http://static.flickr.com/38/78613674_b16762349b_o.jpg Pic 2], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613656_d89c65ba6e_o.jpg Pic 3], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613628_cfb3e5df9d_o.jpg Pic 4], [http://static.flickr.com/41/78613606_63c01fb6a3_o.jpg Pic 5], [http://static.flickr.com/39/78613585_82c2d24d36_o.jpg Pic 6], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613544_b764955ab4_o.jpg Pic 7] --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:[[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|We've]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown2.jpg|seen]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown3.jpg|them]], but thanks for the thought. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Noteworthy Dialogue==

What's up with the long dialogue sections as of late? It's supposed to be noteworthy dialogue, not an entire transcript of the episode. I think whoever posts those (And i'm starting to believe its one person doing it) needs to keep it to a minimum, at least keep it to the point where it isn't longer then the article for the episode itself. -[[Bane Grievver]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part II/Archive 1

2006-01-17T02:22:25Z

Bane Grievver: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */

==Spoiler Pics==
I have found a few spoiler pics for the upcomming episode. (You have been warned) [http://static.flickr.com/42/78613683_f09776998e_o.jpg Pic 1], [http://static.flickr.com/38/78613674_b16762349b_o.jpg Pic 2], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613656_d89c65ba6e_o.jpg Pic 3], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613628_cfb3e5df9d_o.jpg Pic 4], [http://static.flickr.com/41/78613606_63c01fb6a3_o.jpg Pic 5], [http://static.flickr.com/39/78613585_82c2d24d36_o.jpg Pic 6], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613544_b764955ab4_o.jpg Pic 7] --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:[[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|We've]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown2.jpg|seen]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown3.jpg|them]], but thanks for the thought. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Noteworthy Dialogue==

What's up with the long dialogue sections? It's supposed to be noteworthy dialogue, not an entire transcript of the episode. I think whoever posts those (And i'm starting to believe its one person doing it) needs to keep it to a minimum, at least keep it to the point where it isn't longer then the article for the episode itself. -[[Bane Grievver]]

Talk:Resurrection Ship, Part II/Archive 1

2006-01-17T02:13:12Z

Bane Grievver: /* Spoiler Pics */

==Spoiler Pics==
I have found a few spoiler pics for the upcomming episode. (You have been warned) [http://static.flickr.com/42/78613683_f09776998e_o.jpg Pic 1], [http://static.flickr.com/38/78613674_b16762349b_o.jpg Pic 2], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613656_d89c65ba6e_o.jpg Pic 3], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613628_cfb3e5df9d_o.jpg Pic 4], [http://static.flickr.com/41/78613606_63c01fb6a3_o.jpg Pic 5], [http://static.flickr.com/39/78613585_82c2d24d36_o.jpg Pic 6], [http://static.flickr.com/43/78613544_b764955ab4_o.jpg Pic 7] --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]

:[[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown.jpg|We've]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown2.jpg|seen]] [[:Image:TheEnemysGateIsDown3.jpg|them]], but thanks for the thought. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:40, 7 January 2006 (EST)

==Noteworthy Dialogue==

What's up with the long dialogue sections? It's supposed to be noteworthy dialogue, not an entire transcript of the episode. I think whoever posts those (And i'm starting to believe its one person doing it) needs to keep it to a minimum, at least keep it to the point where it isn't longer then the article for the episode itself.

Basestar (TRS)

2006-01-17T01:54:06Z

Bane Grievver: /* Description */

''This article is about the Re-imagined Series Basestar. For the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]] version, see [[Basestar (TOS)]].''
[[Image:Basestar.jpg|thumb|right|A Cylon basestar]]
==Description==
In the re-imagined series, '''Cylon basestars''' (also referred to as "baseships" or "Cylon battlestars") are by far the most prominent example of [[Cylon]] presence. They easily dwarf a Colonial [[Original battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]] and appear to be technologically superior in every way, including being able to release wings of hundreds of [[Cylon Raider]]s at the same time (according to the number of launch "slots" located along each of the spires the basestar. A basestar can release as many as 792 [[Raiders]] as seen in the following images: [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6371/bscap2198ni.jpg 1], [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/1438/bscap2187pb.jpg 2], and [http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/170/bscap2225eq.jpg 3]).

Beyond this, not much is known about the interior operations or command structure of a basestar. A basestar's size would suggest that they have a large crew complement, although there is ample evidence to suggest their operations are largely automated. There has also been no evidence to suggest that a basestar has a central autonomous commander as done on battlestars and their command hierarchy.

A basestar's weapons complement indicates missiles on a similar principle to the United States' VLS system, which is capable of launching coventional or nuclear missiles. In "scream and leap" ambushes commonly used by basestars, the use of nuclear attacks against capital targets such as ''Galactica'' appears prohibited to minimize capital fighter losses to the Cylons or damage to the basestar itself.

Basestars also appear to be weaker in close range combat compared to Battlestars, as two basestars were torn apart by the battlestars ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in a joint mission to destroy a Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]].

[[Image:Basestar1.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar under attack]]

==Encounters with Colonial Fleet==
Unknown to the [[Colonial Fleet]], a single basestar appeared over the [[Armistice Station]], keeping in schedule with the annual armistice diplomacy talks given to the Cylons by invitation of the Colonial government. This would not have been unusual except that the Cylons had never attended an armistice meeting in the 40 years in which they were offered. Shortly after its arrival and after a [[Humano-Cylon|Cylon agent]] accosts the [[Armistice Officer]] stationed there, the basestar launches missiles that destroy the station.

A few days later, the Cylons begin their genocidal attack on the Twelve Colonies. It is probable that many basestars and their fighters arrived at each of the Colonies and targeted cities on each planet, deploying nuclear missiles that detonate above the target cities, annihilating them. Several basestars are seen above the ruined planet of Caprica as Lieutenant [[Sharon Valerii]] guided her [[Raptor]] to an emergency landing on the planet during the attack. A shattered hulk of a battlestar is also seen floating above the planet ([[Mini-Series]]).

A portion of the Cylon attack fleet consisting of 3 basestars and several secondary ships such as [[Cylon Reconnaissance Drone]]s, gather above [[Ragnar Anchorage]] in an attempt to ensnare ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' as it leaves the depot station after rearming itself from stored munitions there. ''Galactica'' serves as a shield for its new civiilan [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] to [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage|escape the fighting]] by using its batteries to fend off the waves of Cylon [[Raider]]s targeting the battlestar and its [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] attack fighters. The battlestar escapes the basestar attack with miminal damage ([[Miniseries]]).

Basestars chase ''Galactica'' for five days after the Ragnar battle, appearing every 33 minutes. The Cylon apparently had infiltrated one of the civilian ships, the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', and were able to track it through successive [[FTL|Jumps]]. Enemy forces apparently take control of of the starliner before its 240th Jump, where then ''Galactica's'' fighters destroy the liner.

The Fleet eludes further basestar contact for several weeks. Soon after the planet [[Kobol]] was discovered by battlestar ''Galactica'', a basestar surprises a Raptor unit en route to the planet. The basestar's fighters destroy two Raptors. Subsequently, [[Commander Adama]] devises a plan to destroy the basestar by using a Raptor fitted with a [[Cylon Transponder]] to sneak a nuclear warhead inside it. Pilot [[Sharon Valerii#Galactica Copy|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], a then-unknown Cylon sleeper agent, flies a Raptor along with ECO [[Margaret Edmonson|Lt. Margaret "Racetrack" Edmonson]] to infiltrate the inside of the basestar. While inside, they see that basestars have a vast, cavernous interior made of bio-mechanical components, without a distinct floor or ceiling. The walls appear fleshy and alive, similar to the synthetic organs filling the interior of a Raider. The basestar was pressurized, as the Raptor appeared to enter through a ventricle-like airlock, where Boomer was able to work with her helmet removed, a task made impossible in a vacuum.
[[Image:112-KLG2-21min03sec.jpg|thumb|right|A basestar's airlock seal, as seen from a Raptor cockpit.]]

Boomer and Racetrack successfully detonate the nuclear warhead, completely destroying the basestar. This was perhaps the first time since the [[Cylon Attack]] that Colonial forces successfully destroyed a basestar.

Shortly thereafter, Valerii's sleeping Cylon programming activates. She shoots [[Commander Adama]] in an assassination attempt ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]) and is subsequently killed by Specialist [[Cally]] ([[Resistance]]).

A second basestar ambushes ''Galactica'' immediately after Adama's shooting, ''Galactica'' escapes but is separated from the Fleet due to a Jump calculation error. The battlestar returns to their previous location and fends off the basestar long enough for them to obtain the correct Fleet coordinates ([[Scattered]]). This second basestar near Kobol departs for other business after ''Galactica'' reunites with the Fleet, leaving Kobol to the Colonials, save for a small squad of [[Cylon Centurion]]s on the planet.

Consequently, Edmonson is now the only living member of ''Galactica's'' crew that has ever seen the inside of a basestar ([[Resistance]]).

Upon the discovery of the [[Mercury-class Battlestar|battlestar]] ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', Admiral [[Helena Cain]] reveals that a Cylon fleet has been following the ''Galactica'', consisting of two basestars ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]).

The two basestars are later destroyed by both Colonial battlestars in a [[Attack on the Resurrection Ship|mission to take out]] the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]).

== See also ==

* [http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6326/bscap0873sx.jpg Basestar launching missiles]

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