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==Title==
Confusion! Episode 417 is ''Someone to Watch Over Me''. Episode 416 is ''Deadlock'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden].--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 19:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I'll change it. And the admins always watch the recent changes. So you don't have to post stuff like this on all episode pages :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::Noted. Galactica Sitrep also has a full list for all the writers and directors as well.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 12:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

== Gaeta ==

Gaeta was executed in [[Blood on the Scales]], yet he is listed as guest in this episode. Do we have a definite source for this?
:Just because he's dead, doesn't mean he can't return as a hallucination, or flashback, or dream, or vision etc, like [[Elosha]], Adama's wife, [[Ellen Tigh]] (but that was before we found out she was a Cylon though). -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:37, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:PS, after looking through the page history, [http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/877/877683p1.html this is the source]. -- [[User:Matthew R Dunn|Matthew R Dunn]] 12:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
:after airing, i didn't see Gaeta. did i miss him?{{unsigned|Erifneerg}}
Nope. Didn't see him in any incarnation at all. I think it was just disinformation to throw off spoilers. Nothing more. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
*Gaeta's invisible ghost is damned to walk the decks of CIC for all eternity, observing Adama finally succeeding in bringing humanity back from the brink, thus totally discrediting Gaeta's mutinous ideas. Fitting punishment for trying to evict Adama from his own ship.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Projections ==

Now that we are aware Cylons can project non-existent people, do these "imaginary people" get their own article, or a new page be made for all projections? -[[User:Federationrulz|Federationrulz]] 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
:Well, there is a page on [[Projection]], it should probably be included there. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:07, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

== Boomer's motivations ==

I think it's really premature to state so conclusively that Boomer's kidnapping of Hera was ordered or orchestrated by Cavil. If the upcoming episodes confirm that, okay, but right now, it is only speculation. Just because Roslin says it doesn't mean it's true.

My impression is that Boomer's actions were more selfish than that. The rebels want to kill her as a traitor, and if Cavil DIDN'T authorize her freeing Ellen Tigh, Cavil is not going to be happy to see her again, either. Hera is the one thing that both sides potentially want, and thus a lever Boomer can use to save her own ass.

Unless the next episode sheds more light on this, I think it's more appropriate to frame that point as a question, e.g., "Did Cavil orchestrate Boomer's 'rescue' of Ellen in order to get his hands on Hera?"

--[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 18:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

*Canonical evidence from the TV interview states Boomer's mission was to get Hera, and that "escaping" with Ellen to the Galactica was a good cover for that mission. Cavil was/is behind it all. With respect to Tyrol, Boomer had originally intended to just use Tyrol to get Hera. However, during the mission she discovered she still had feelings for the Chief. It didn't stop her from completing her mission, though. My guess is Cavil intends to use Hera as a hostage to bargain with the Final Five. Cavil seems genuinely terrified of dying now that the Resurrection Hub is gone. He knew he had no leverage with the Final Five to get them to redevelop resurrection technology. Now, he just might...assuming Adama & Co. weigh Hera's life sufficiently. I'm not so sure Adama does, so Cavil's position is anything but assured.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

*Another angle: Cavil probably knows (and has known) the exact location of Galactica and the fleet. He probably knows (and has known) the location of Earth. He probably has enough firepower to destroy the fleet without too much trouble. Doing so, however, would destroy any chance of getting resurrection technology back. Thus, despite having all the destructive power he needs to fulfill his dream of eliminating humanity, he can't use it. I'm sure it frustrates the frak out of him to finally have Galactica in the palm of his hand but being unable to crush it out of a need for self-preservation. The kidnap ploy is a weak play, but it's the only one Cavil really has.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

**Well, [Islanded in a Sea of Stars] (and RDM's commentary track for [Someone to Watch Over Me] made my point irrelevant. Although from Cavil's behavior in Islanded, I wonder if he has something more complicated in mind for Hera than just a hostage to convince Ellen and the others to rebuild resurrection technology. --[[User:Argentla|argentla]] 10:43, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Timeline? ==

Currently there is a note that:

"Weeks have passed since the end of the mutiny, as evidenced by Cottle's comment about how long Anders' EKG readings have remained steady."

Cottle's comment is about Ander's "unprecedented, and frankly bizarre" readings which "haven't changed in weeks", which occurred at the end of episode 16, but later the comment is made that Thigh's "just lost his child", which happened around the same time.

Is this a contuinuity contradiction or am I missing something? [[User:The other dave|The other dave]] 10:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
:Take Cottle's statement over Ellen's. Cottle' statement is a clinical statement of how long Anders has been under even if it is an imprecise measurement of "weeks". Ellen's statement is a statement on the emotional feelings of Saul Tigh. If your son died you would probably feel that he had "just died" even if it was three months ago, six months ago, a year ago. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 18:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Anders' readings, I would say they are definitely, in fact, All Along the Watchtower. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:04, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

==The Piano Player==
Although it's quite possible the piano player is Starbuck's father, we don't know this for certain. And this show is known for sending out false signals. (Exhibit A: Tigh being a Cylon). I reworded it slightly, but I would recommend we hold off making such an absolute statement until it's confirmed in one of the remaining episodes. It could be just as possible that Starbuck was projecting. [[User:23skidoo|23skidoo]] 15:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:RDM, Bear McCreary and the writers have all confirmed that Slick is indeed a vision of Kara's father. And how is Tigh being a Cylon a false signal? [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 16:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Kara Thrace/Father ==

Just a hunch.. there was talk that the #7 Cylon (Daniel) was a musician or artsy kinda guy. Kara's apparent father is a musician... had to leave his wife and Kara... (his death, by the cavil's).

My Theory ... Kara is an offspring of a Cylon... could explain her resurrection, father, mysterious knowledge of the music... and her connection to final 5/Hera.

I THINK I'M ONTO SOMETHING!!!

*Welcome to the other side of the looking glass! It would also explain her tendancy to draw things that she has never actually seen...another talent she shares with Hera. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 20:46, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

*I have to agree. Kara being a Cylon/human hybrid would explain much. Her art. Her precognition. Her missing father. Her misfit personality. Her preternatural prowess in the cockpit. It still leaves open the question of how (if?) she resurrected. If I had to bet money right now, I'd say she resurrected in Ellen's as-yet-unseen lab. Wonder where she got a factory-fresh Viper, though?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 03:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**I agree with the notion that Kara is Daniel's daughter and being only half Cylon. Perhaps they needed Kara's ovaries to clone Kara in the way we understand cloning. In otherwords Starbuck has more in common with [[Wikipedia:Dolly (sheep)|Dolly the Sheep]] than the Final Five and Significant Eight. Still, her new body must have been grown much like a "regular" Cylon in a vat and of course (I think) her conscious downloaded into that Cylon Heavy Raider that was seen near Kara's Viper just before it imploded in the atmosphere of the Gas Giant (I would think). As for the viper, a souvenir from the first Cylon War? I have this feeling that there are a lot of Daniels hiding out in order to pull this off LOL! [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== The Dying Galactica ==

Although I obviously can't say it with 100% certainty, I think it's a foregone conclusion at this point that the "dying leader" mentioned in the Pythian texts is the Galactica herself. The last few episodes have gone out of their way to stress the point that Galactica is dying, and rather rapidly dying at that. Tyrol states she only has a few jumps left in her even with the help of the Cylon goop. The teaser for next week essentially shows Adama writing off the old girl. I get the feeling the call for "abandon ship" can't be far behind with only four episodes to go. I don't think Roslin is the "dying leader" for one simple reason: it's too obvious. RDM has a propensity for giving us false "obvious" answers in the past. I think it can't be Roslin (despite her collapse) simply because that's too tidy of an answer.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 02:59, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
*Well, I can only say it's moving closer and closer to that 100% certainty. "Islanded" just finished with Adama ordering a general evac of the ship. Adama speaks to Tigh of "sending the old girl out in style". The teaser for next week shows what appears to be Adama asking for volunteers for a one-way mission. My guess: Starbuck will get the location of the colony from Sam, Adama will assemble a skeleton crew on Galactica to go get Hera, and we have all the pieces in place for a final, glorious duel to the death between Galactica and Cavil -- one where Galactica will serve some important sacrificial role that allows the rest of humanity, the rebel Cylons, and Hera to forge some kind of new future. I'm going to further bet that the Battle To End All Battles is saved for the final episode, that we only see its beginning at the very end of next week's ep. After all, if Cavil's forces are destroyed, Hera recovered, and the Galactica is trashed next week, what could RDM & Co. possibly show us in the final episode?--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 05:03, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Interesting goop theory ==

Tell me what you think of this theory of mine:
Daniel is indeed Kara's father, and it's current organic form is the goop used to strenghten the Galactica itself, derived from his degenerated regeration fluid.
This would explain why both Hera and Kara are influenced by music just now, as the goop matures and increase in mass, and why Adama has been saying for weeks that Galactica will be the same on the outside, but what will it become?
Daniel in this form could have been watching over humans and every cylon faction, since the goop is used in starbases and it obviously had at a time a human form, and so be in a position to be in more places at once too, giving him the seemingly omniscent powers needed to close the series ...
Organic non human cylons are a fact (raiders)
If the Galactica becomes an embodiement of Daniel's, raiders probably won't attack it also if Cavil orders it ...
Imagine the Galactica growing a glowing mono-eye? :)
*Interesting theory, but I hope they don't go down this road. Omniscient starships make for bad drama. As for raiders being unable to attack a goopified Galactica, I imagine Cavil could easily blow the Galactica to smithereens using just baseship weapons. And we know the baseships can fire on other baseships due to Cavil blowing away several at the start of the Cylon civil war. The idea of a Galactica with a glowing eye...creepy. Kind of like having a having a dead loved one raised from the grave as a zombie, shambling around. I certainly hope they don't go this route.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

anyway Kara's ancestry is demonstrated also by her ability to pilot a raider from the inside, she was the only one to be able to do it
*This last one isn't true. Bulldog stole a raider and piloted it back to Galactica when he escaped the Cylon cell he was being held in.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 12:58, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
**DAMN! Thanks for reminding me! [[Bulldog]] didn't "escape", he was let go by the Cylons making it '''seem''' that he escaped, similar to Boomer! Oh and I don't believe the liquid cartilage has anything to do with Kara's and Hera's visions and drawings. And I believe that the Dying leader prophecy could be coming true with Roslin, but Adama could be the dark horse with all the booze and pill popping he's been doing. [[User:Hunter2005|Hunter2005]] 19:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
***Yeah, I knew he technically didn't escape, but I figured the short version would suffice.--[[User:Prisoner881|Prisoner881]] 21:08, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

== Updating Wiki ==

hi guys. bsg isnt being shown in south africa at all so we have to wait for the dvd release to see the whole show. but being the fan that i am i simply cant wait until then to know what happens, so i rely heavily on the content in this wiki to follow the story. i know it must be really hard work but could you guys update so i wont go insane:)
the acts specifically i mean. i read the analysis and it was like OMG BOOMER ESCAPES WITH TYROLS HELP??! AND HERA? WHAT HAPPENED?

a desperate fan form the dark continent

:Our apologies. Wikis depend not only on its contributors but available time to complete articles, particularly episode summaries. You're not the only one that's waiting. I've handled many summaries; I'll do what I can tonight to keep you up to date! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:25, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

== Is anyone going to finish the summary? ==

Is anyone going to finish completing the summary? It's been about a week now. -- [[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 21:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed you asked the same question at [[Talk:Blood on the Scales]] ... I basically have the same answers for you. [[BW:BOLD|Be bold]]. :) I've been a bit more caught up with other edits, but if something doesn't show up here soon I will take a crack at it ... I need something to do while waiting for "Islanded" to air anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:I might get to it this evening as well before the next episode plays. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:17, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Cylon homeworld/Archive 1

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Argentla: /* IS there a Cylon Homeworld? */ new section

If the Cylon homeworld's location is known, would there be an offensive against it to end the second Cylon war after [[The Fleet (RDM)|The Fleet]] finds [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]? -- [[User:John-1107|John-1107]] 21:46, 21 January 2006 (EST)
:Far too generic. Implied that if ever the humans survive out in space to make new colonies, find Earth, whatever, the Cylons fear that, human nature being what it is, they will return one day to take revenge, as stated in the miniseries. "One Day", as in "generations from now". Not in their lifetime, no. One or two battlestars against the entire Cylon fleet? Impossible. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:19, 23 January 2006 (EST)
::Could it be assumed that it is a largely marine world? Or similar to the one in "Water". Lots of clues lead us to this 1)Cylon bodies can withstand immense water pressure 2)Cylon Biomech appears to derive certain aspects from deep sea marine life, including, probably, its independancy from solar energy I dunno, just a suggestion, cuz its hinted I believe. Also their tech looks very marine as well.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 20 February 2006

:::The homeworld's specific location isn't known, but we take Gaeta's comment that the Colonials had a general idea. As far as the "marine world" idea: It's likely as hospitable as they needed it to be. Remember that the original Cylons that the humans fought were mechanical; they could use practically any planet that their hardware could withstand; it need not necessarily be an Earth-like planet just because the Cylons also have humanoid models (which likely appeared long after their migration). Further, we know that the Cylon agents can do superhuman feats such as strength, so while their bodies appear human, there is still a machine element there that gives them superhuman abilities; no water necessarily required. I don't know of any solar energy requirements either noted in the series inferred or expressed; the Cylon agent appears to work with the same foodstuffs as humans, and Centurions are powered on whatever they're powered on. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:37, 20 February 2006 (EST)

:::I see no reason to think it's a marine world whatsoever; they can withstand high water pressure just because (it's already been established) they're stronger than humans, and the other stuff is just speculation. We can't really make any productive speculation on the Cylon homeworld at this point. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:05, 20 February 2006 (EST)

::::I wasn't actually suggesting we post any of it, I was just pondering on what it could be. I do hope that with Season 3 more clues will be given, the most clear clue would be about the climate (depending on how Cylons adjust to New Caprica), but we can only wait. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 25 March 2006

== Twelve Colonies in download range of Cylon homeworld? ==

"the Twelve Colonies themselves do appear to be in normal downloading-range from the Cylon homeworld ("Resurrection Ship, Part I," "Scar")." Perhaps I'm just being forgetful, but I admit I don't recall anything saying or implying that, even when concentrating on those episodes. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)
:From the Miniseries straight through the end of season two, Cylons have downloaded normally on Caprica. Even after the Ressurection Ship was destroyed. Plus, Baltar said that they made it because ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' had gone so far out into deep space; i.e. they didn't need it around the Twelve Colonies. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:14, 1 April 2006 (CST)
::The resurrection ship that was destroyed could have been around the Twelve Colonies until they set up facilities on the colonies (which seem to be there based on [[Downloaded]]). The idea they made it on the fly after the battlestars went far out seems farfetched to me based on design and construction times, even for Cylons; the idea they foresaw the flight of the battlestars seems unlikely to me as well. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 13:51, 1 April 2006 (CST)
::No, the Cylons did not forsee or plan the escape of the Battlestars. No, it's just assumption in "Downloaded" that the transmission facilities are on Caprica itself, and "Downloaded" actually does not further that theory. Based on Baltar's clear dialog in "Resurrection Ship, part I", the 12 Colonies are in range of the Cylon homeworld. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:00, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:::Additional: "''Baltar: The Cylons call this their resurrection ship. At the moment, we are too far away from the Cylon home for the normal downloading process to work, which is why they built this ship.''" The Cylons built the Resurrection Ship when Galactica went so far away from the Twelve Colonies that they passed out of range of the Cylon homeworld, meaning that the Colonies themselves are actually in range.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 15:09, 1 April 2006 (CST)

::::This was my impression as well, although I admit that the evidence is a bit thin. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:05, 1 April 2006 (CST)

:::::Baltar is known for not exactly talking too well. There is no clue to suggest that the 12 colonies are near the Homeworld. In fact, the distance from it is probably why they built the ship in the first place, for the attack. They wouldn't build an uber ship with thousands of spare bodies for around a dozen Cylons. They now download in Caprica because they probably established centers there now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006
::::::We have no idea if there are download "centers" on Caprica, "Downloaded" didn't describe the process well enough, and they could just as easily have been transmitted back to the Cylon homeworld (transmitter source), then back to a new body in a basestar near the colonies or whatever. I understand your opinion Sauron18, but as Peter has agreed, the evidence supports the view that it is near the Colonies. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:27, 6 April 2006 (CDT)

To add further proof that it is not a safe statement:

"Baltar: The Cylons call this their resurrection ship. At the moment, we are too far away from the Cylon home for the normal downloading process to work, which is why they built this ship. It contains the entire apparatus necessary for Cylon resurrection. Now this ship has been traveling with the fleet trailing Galactica for the last several months "

1)Gina has been on Pegasus since the attack, yet she recognized the ship, this wouldn't be possible if it is as you say.

2)Gina fully expected to have been reborn in the Resurrection Ship. For all she knew they could be within a few miles of the Colonies, and yet said the Ship would revive her.

3)Baltar said that it had been trailing the fleet the last several months, leaving even less time for the Cylons to build a ship this size, which is, inevitably, quite impossible.

4)The only thing that suggests he's talking about only the fleet being too far away is "at the moment", and that is simply to obscure to assume it means the Colonies are close enough.

5)In "Downloaded" we see Six download into a chamber. RDM has stated we won't see their homeworld in a while, eliminating that location, and it was too soon to have a chamber in Caprica. This leaves only the option of the Resurrection Ship, since it would act as the safety net for the Cylon Attack.

These are my 5 main proofs against the assumption that they are close enough to the colonies. Aside from this, I can only ask that you use logic, which would dicate that a ship this size would not be created:

a)In a matter of 1 or 2 months.

or

b)Solely for around 12 Agents (carrying the bodies of thousands)

I hope you see what I see--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006

:1) As we've seen in "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down", etc. The Humanoid Cylons actually can communicate with Cylon ships using those high-frequency little transponder devices they have (they mention a signal being sent out or recieved). 2) Gina was in her cell and didn't know exactly where they were, but she was aboard Pegasus for week possibly months before being found out. During that time, Cain could already have established that they were running away from the colonies to fight a hit and run war. Thus, she could pretty well assume that they weren't near the Colonies, as this would mean Cain would be singlehandedly taking on the entire Cylon fleet (which even Cain only contemplated when she got reinforced with Galactica). 3)I really don't see the logic in this: The Cylons control the resources of an entire planet at least (their own), and they are advamced machines with advanced manufacturing. I think they could build this in a matter of a few months (two or three) if they really needed to. 4)This point doesn't make much sense: "Simply too obscure"? At the moment, they are not near the Colonies. They keep saying "out here", deep space, etc. Not in range. 5) You're combining two statements there: we won't see the ENTIRE Cylon homeworld, but that doesn't rule out to me at all that that particular scene took place in an "isolated room" on the Cylon homeworld, that is, we don't see a skyline and such but it's "on" the planet. Meanwhile, RDM's statement that we won't seen the homeworld for a while was made in mid-Season 2.5, but now it looks like he's planning to jump back to Number Three doing stuff on the Cylon Homeworld.

:Using logic, I hope you can all see the truth. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:39, 6 April 2006 (CDT)

I think we should just delete that last sentence. It's not extremely necessary and it's better if we leave it unmentioned until season 3, rather than being proven wrong (either way) and having that embarassment. An omition of the Homeworld and the Colonies would be the best thing right now. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 7 April 2006

==Season Three's "Cylon World"==
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe it was recently said that the "Cylon World" RDM talked about isn't literally their homeworld, but rather a basestar (note, he also used "Cylon World" when referring to their POV in Downloaded). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 10:12 19 April 2006

==New Information==
Thanks to Mr. Bradley Thompson, who has taken time to answer several questions about the show, we now know that the 12 Colonies are in fact '''not''' within downloading range of the Cylon Homeworld. Clarifying it on the article. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:05, 17 June 2006 (CDT)
:You need to create a {{tl|sourcebox}} on the article. There are several formats already on [[Grace Park]] and [[Sources:Grace Park]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:22, 19 June 2006 (CDT)
::So, I just make a new page with this one it:

The Cylons either built a downloading facility on Caprica or detailed one of their few Resurrection Ships to Colonial occupation duties. By "Pegasus," Galactica's a long way from both. Downloading is very touchy (and highly classified technology). Ngarenn 19:32, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

Yes? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 22:59, 17 June 2006 (CDT)

Bascily. Just make sure you link his username. You only need to add {{tl|sourcebox}} at the end and then click on the red link and create the new page. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])

:I removed the other template just so it doesn't come in the "category". --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:59, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

::Thanks, I think I did it.--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 23:12, 17 June 2006 (CDT)

:::Excellent! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:13, 19 June 2006 (CDT)

== IS there a Cylon Homeworld? ==

After the revelations of [[Sometimes a Great Notion]], I was really wondering about this. The Colonials have always assumed there was a Cylon homeworld somewhere beyond the Armistice Line, but has any Cylon character ever confirmed that fact? (All the dialogue references I can remember were made by human characters.) Maybe the Cylons just wandered in space, the way the Fleet is now. Perhaps the Plan referenced in the first two seasons' credits had to do with conquering the Colonies so they would have actual homeworlds again. (Why else would they go to such trouble to clean up Caprica -- and presumably the other Colonies -- after nuking them?)

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== Half-Season ==

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writers ==

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's [[BW:CJ|cited]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I added it. You can see the difference [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sometimes_a_Great_Notion&diff=165728&oldid=164802 here]. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Many thanks.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Title ==

''The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown."'' Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. [[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to ''Sometimes a Great Notion'', a novel by Ken Kesey. [[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::The episode title is a reference to Ken Kesey's novel -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Buried Centurion Head ==

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, that wasn't the head:Flatter face and no forehead ridge. -- [[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]] 22:23, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::It wasn't identical, but was still pretty similar. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 21:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Guest stars==

As an avid credit watcher I thought I'd point out that as of the very beginning of season 4 Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, Michael Trucco, Alessandro Juliani and Kandyse McClure have all been credited as starring cast members. I've removed them from the guest star section for this episode accordingly.--[[User:Opark 77|Opark 77]] 11:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Just need a second verification and we should edit [[Season 4 (2008)]] as well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 13:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Uh, if you're an avid credit watcher, as you say, then you should know that those name (give or takes a few) have been like that since "33". And it's not just this show that has this sort of thing. Nor, is it a recent trend; I can date the post star/pre-guest star credit thing back to a show from 1989 and few since. That's always been a thorn in trying to figure that out. I will say that if they're stars, then they're names wouldn't come and go based on an episode-by-episode basis like that seeing as how all the ones in the main credits remain regardless (with the exception of Katee's, but that was only to sell the whole "Kara is dead" thing). Until someone can convince me otherwise, I say they're co-stars, who just get upfront credits for some sort of contractual reason. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As I understand it, '''Mars''', it's really nothing more than a monetary issue. The main cast, whose names are credited every week during the main opening credits sequence, are paid regardless of whether or not they actually shoot any scenes for the episode. A recurring or supporting character would not be credited if they weren't used in a particular episode, so they wouldn't have to be paid, but they would be credited before guest characters. A good example of this outside of BSG would be Teryl Rothery ("Dr. Fraiser") on Stargate SG-1. --[[User:Antarctic Fox|Antarctic Fox]] 17:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Resurrection and the split of the 13th Tribe ==

The dialogue in this episode about the "Final Five"'s previous lives on Earth reminded me of what Virtual said to Baltar n [[Fragged]], about how anyone who was killed on Kobol was dead forever. At the time, it seemed like a throwaway bit of Virtual Six's usual religious zealotry, but after Ellen Tigh's remark in Tigh's vision/flashback about everything being "in place" for their rebirth after the holocaust, I'm no longer so sure.

So, here's a bit of speculation. We know from the advance buzz on ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' that the origins of the Colonies' Cylons had to do with [[Daniel Graystone]]'s efforts to resurrect his daughter in an artificial body -- something that presumably would become a very, very controversial idea if applied on a large scale. Maybe that kind of controversy had something to do with the original departure of the Thirteenth Tribe from Kobol. Perhaps their resurrection system was outlawed on Kobol, leading to their exodus. The existence of the ancient probe in [[Torn]] supports the idea that resurrection technology may well have existed thousands of years ago; that episode really made the virus seem like a biological weapon, and the fact that it infected Cylons through the resurrection process may not have been accidental. Was it created to prevent the Thirteenth Tribe from ''leaving'' Earth to return to Kobol? (In that case, maybe what Ellen meant when she said "Everything is in place" was that some of the Thirteenth Tribe had figured out a way to circumvent the various defenses/mechanisms preventing them from rejoining the Twelve. {{unsigned|Argentla}}
:Hi Argentia. More people will hear about your thoughts in a place better built for it, so why not take your thoughts to [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=2307 the Battlestar Forum episode thread?] (That way, the talk page is left free for questions about the formatting or proper interpretation of what should be in this article itself.) Lots of people are there to talk about it! --22:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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== Half-Season ==

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writers ==

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's [[BW:CJ|cited]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I added it. You can see the difference [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sometimes_a_Great_Notion&diff=165728&oldid=164802 here]. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Many thanks.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Title ==

''The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown."'' Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. [[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to ''Sometimes a Great Notion'', a novel by Ken Kesey. [[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Buried Centurion Head ==

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, that wasn't the head:Flatter face and no forehead ridge.[[User:Hufnmouth|Hufnmouth]]
::It wasn't identical, but was still pretty similar. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 21:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Guest stars==

As an avid credit watcher I thought I'd point out that as of the very beginning of season 4 Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, Michael Trucco, Alessandro Juliani and Kandyse McClure have all been credited as starring cast members. I've removed them from the guest star section for this episode accordingly.--[[User:Opark 77|Opark 77]] 11:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Just need a second verification and we should edit [[Season 4 (2008)]] as well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 13:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Uh, if you're an avid credit watcher, as you say, then you should know that those name (give or takes a few) have been like that since "33". And it's not just this show that has this sort of thing. Nor, is it a recent trend; I can date the post star/pre-guest star credit thing back to a show from 1989 and few since. That's always been a thorn in trying to figure that out. I will say that if they're stars, then they're names wouldn't come and go based on an episode-by-episode basis like that seeing as how all the ones in the main credits remain regardless (with the exception of Katee's, but that was only to sell the whole "Kara is dead" thing). Until someone can convince me otherwise, I say they're co-stars, who just get upfront credits for some sort of contractual reason. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As I understand it, '''Mars''', it's really nothing more than a monetary issue. The main cast, whose names are credited every week during the main opening credits sequence, are paid regardless of whether or not they actually shoot any scenes for the episode. A recurring or supporting character would not be credited if they weren't used in a particular episode, so they wouldn't have to be paid, but they would be credited before guest characters. A good example of this outside of BSG would be Teryl Rothery ("Dr. Fraiser") on Stargate SG-1. --[[User:Antarctic Fox|Antarctic Fox]] 17:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Resurrection and the split of the 13th Tribe ==

The dialogue in this episode about the "Final Five"'s previous lives on Earth reminded me of what Virtual said to Baltar n [[Fragged]], about how anyone who was killed on Kobol was dead forever. At the time, it seemed like a throwaway bit of Virtual Six's usual religious zealotry, but after Ellen Tigh's remark in Tigh's vision/flashback about everything being "in place" for their rebirth after the holocaust, I'm no longer so sure.

So, here's a bit of speculation. We know from the advance buzz on ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' that the origins of the Colonies' Cylons had to do with [[Daniel Graystone]]'s efforts to resurrect his daughter in an artificial body -- something that presumably would become a very, very controversial idea if applied on a large scale. Maybe that kind of controversy had something to do with the original departure of the Thirteenth Tribe from Kobol. Perhaps their resurrection system was outlawed on Kobol, leading to their exodus. The existence of the ancient probe in [[Torn]] supports the idea that resurrection technology may well have existed thousands of years ago; that episode really made the virus seem like a biological weapon, and the fact that it infected Cylons through the resurrection process may not have been accidental. Was it created to prevent the Thirteenth Tribe from ''leaving'' Earth to return to Kobol? (In that case, maybe what Ellen meant when she said "Everything is in place" was that some of the Thirteenth Tribe had figured out a way to circumvent the various defenses/mechanisms preventing them from rejoining the Twelve. {{unsigned|Argentla}}
:Hi Argentia. More people will hear about your thoughts in a place better built for it, so why not take your thoughts to [http://www.battlestarforum.com/showthread.php?t=2307 the Battlestar Forum episode thread?] (That way, the talk page is left free for questions about the formatting or proper interpretation of what should be in this article itself.) Lots of people are there to talk about it! --22:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Cylon Homeworld ==

The revelations of this episode also raise another provocative question: IS there a Cylon homeworld (other than Earth, thousands of years ago)? At one point, RDM mentioned that we would probably never seen the Cylon homeworld, because he felt it would be creatively problematic, but now I wonder if it exists at all. The Colonials have always assumed there was one, somewhere behind the Armistice Line, but my recollection is that all the dialogue referring to it comes from human characters (Baltar, Gaeta, Kara). In [[Downloaded]], both Six and Boomer are resurrected on Caprica, not elsewhere.

After the Armistice, did the Cylons just wander in space the same way the Fleet is, occasionally taking resources from the planets they encountered (just as ''Galactica'' has), but not actually settling anywhere specific? Maybe their original motivation in attacking the Colonies -- the original Plan alluded to in the early seasons' credits -- was ''Lebensraum'', claiming the territory of the Colonies for their own expansion. (That would explain why they were going to so much trouble to clean up Caprica (and presumably the other Colonies, even if we never see it for budgetary reasons) even after nuking it.)

Has any Cylon character explicitly confirmed the existence of a Cylon homeworld? Three's comments in this episode about wandering in space make it seem like she doesn't have a home to return to; Cavill's belligerence might make it impossible for her to return to the Cylon homeworld if there were one, but if that were the case, wouldn't she say so?

Talk:Sometimes a Great Notion/Archive 1

2009-01-18T22:02:03Z

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== Half-Season ==

Are we sure that Sometimes a Great Notion will be aired before the midseason break? I've seen the first half-season referred to as consisting of ten episodes. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
: It's not on the SFC schedule, so I've removed it. Someone must've been overzealous in their addition of the airdates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 03:35, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writers ==

In the podcast for Revelations, RDM states that David Weddle and Bradley Thompson will be writing this episode. I though I should bring it up here rather than add it to the article as I'm a relatively new member here, and am still unfamiliar with the editing process.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 23:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
: That's all right, Pentagonal. Feel free to [[BW:BOLD|be bold]] take it upon yourself to add it, as long as it's [[BW:CJ|cited]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 04:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for the encouragement, but it wasn't so much that I was apprehensive to edit the page, but more that i'm not quite sure how. I really haven't taken the time to learn how to use the editing software, (which is something I'm planning on doing shortly) so i thought it best to bring it up here and have someone willing and able add it.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
:::I added it. You can see the difference [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Sometimes_a_Great_Notion&diff=165728&oldid=164802 here]. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
::::Many thanks.[[User:Pentagonal Deception|Pentagonal Deception]] 19:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

== Episode Title ==

''The title of the episode comes from the blues song "Goodnight, Irene," in which the singer contemplates suicide: "Sometimes I get a great notion / to jump in the river and drown."'' Is this a fact? There's no citation. It's also the title of a song by John Mellencamp. [[User:Genji2000|Genji2000]] 17:58, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
:And, though I don't know if it has to do with anything, the first line of the Mellencamp song, "Never give an inch," is a reference to ''Sometimes a Great Notion'', a novel by Ken Kesey. [[User:Capedia|Capedia]] 07:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Buried Centurion Head ==

Was it just me, or did that uncovered centurion head found in the anthropological dig look like the centurion pictured here:http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:DeSanto_Singer_Project_Cylon.jpg ? -- [[User:Davidkevin|Davidkevin]] 08:14, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Nope, that wasn't the head:Flatter face and no forehead ridge.
::It wasn't identical, but was still pretty similar. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 21:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

==Guest stars==

As an avid credit watcher I thought I'd point out that as of the very beginning of season 4 Michael Hogan, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, Michael Trucco, Alessandro Juliani and Kandyse McClure have all been credited as starring cast members. I've removed them from the guest star section for this episode accordingly.--[[User:Opark 77|Opark 77]] 11:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:Just need a second verification and we should edit [[Season 4 (2008)]] as well. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 13:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
::Uh, if you're an avid credit watcher, as you say, then you should know that those name (give or takes a few) have been like that since "33". And it's not just this show that has this sort of thing. Nor, is it a recent trend; I can date the post star/pre-guest star credit thing back to a show from 1989 and few since. That's always been a thorn in trying to figure that out. I will say that if they're stars, then they're names wouldn't come and go based on an episode-by-episode basis like that seeing as how all the ones in the main credits remain regardless (with the exception of Katee's, but that was only to sell the whole "Kara is dead" thing). Until someone can convince me otherwise, I say they're co-stars, who just get upfront credits for some sort of contractual reason. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
:::As I understand it, '''Mars''', it's really nothing more than a monetary issue. The main cast, whose names are credited every week during the main opening credits sequence, are paid regardless of whether or not they actually shoot any scenes for the episode. A recurring or supporting character would not be credited if they weren't used in a particular episode, so they wouldn't have to be paid, but they would be credited before guest characters. A good example of this outside of BSG would be Teryl Rothery ("Dr. Fraiser") on Stargate SG-1. --[[User:Antarctic Fox|Antarctic Fox]] 17:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

== Resurrection and the split of the 13th Tribe ==

The dialogue in this episode about the "Final Five"'s previous lives on Earth reminded me of what Virtual said to Baltar n [[Fragged]], about how anyone who was killed on Kobol was dead forever. At the time, it seemed like a throwaway bit of Virtual Six's usual religious zealotry, but after Ellen Tigh's remark in Tigh's vision/flashback about everything being "in place" for their rebirth after the holocaust, I'm no longer so sure.

So, here's a bit of speculation. We know from the advance buzz on ''[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]'' that the origins of the Colonies' Cylons had to do with [[Daniel Graystone]]'s efforts to resurrect his daughter in an artificial body -- something that presumably would become a very, very controversial idea if applied on a large scale. Maybe that kind of controversy had something to do with the original departure of the Thirteenth Tribe from Kobol. Perhaps their resurrection system was outlawed on Kobol, leading to their exodus. The existence of the ancient probe in [[Torn]] supports the idea that resurrection technology may well have existed thousands of years ago; that episode really made the virus seem like a biological weapon, and the fact that it infected Cylons through the resurrection process may not have been accidental. Was it created to prevent the Thirteenth Tribe from ''leaving'' Earth to return to Kobol? (In that case, maybe what Ellen meant when she said "Everything is in place" was that some of the Thirteenth Tribe had figured out a way to circumvent the various defenses/mechanisms preventing them from rejoining the Twelve.