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Talk:Colonial One/Archive 1

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==Secretary/Minister==
Wow, that was confused of me. Sorry. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:04, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

:It's funny when you finally make a slip, April :) --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 22:12, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

==Image Change==

Okay, I changed the ''Colonial One'' image because I think the png is higher quality, it's not a scan, it doesn't have ragged edges, and there's no moire pattern. However, the thumb of the image I added looks completely odd. I thought I'd add transparency to the image as added functionality, but the thumb is strange, if we could change the frame background to black things would improve. This still doesn't fix the fact that the thumb appears to be grayscale while the original is 24-bit colour. Any help? My specialty is graphics programs, not HTML or coding.

I'm ready to change the image format to jpg or gif, but I'd rather give the user community the benefit of the editing I did in png. --[[User:MASON|MASON]] 01:11:46, 2005-10-24 (EDT)

== Presidential Seal ==

I just added a screenshot from "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" showing the Presidential seal on the starboard side of the ship in clear veiw, yet in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]" in the opening of Act I after the intro there's a close-up fly-by of the starboard side of ''Colonial One'' where the camera zooms in on Roslin's office and yet in the shot the seal is gone.

Is this a new shot made specifically for "Resurrection Ship"? If so, where did the seal go? Was it removed when Adama deposed Roslin and just never put back on again? -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 21:46, 8 January 2006 (EST)

:IIRC in RDM's podcast he mentioned it's a reused clip from the Miniseries (prior to the seal being added). --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 22:49, 8 January 2006 (EST)

== "Heavy?" ==

Generally "Heavy," when used in reference to an aircraft in the real world, means the ship is carrying cargo or passengers and wouldn't be part of the true name. Therefore Colonial One's original name would simply have been "Colonial 798." This is made even more clear when you consider where the transport's name is first heard: a radio transmission between its pilot and (I believe) Galactica, which is exactly the time when such jargon would be used. {{unsigned|Pint}}

:"Colonial Heavy 798" would be a call sign or flight number, not a hull number. In the real world, the "Heavy" designation is used by air traffic controllers for large craft, such as the executive 747s that Colonial One is based on. In the future, please sign your username with four tildes, like so: <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>, and don't flag substantive edits as "minor". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:29, 21 January 2006 (EST)

::April, you are correct. Further, the designation of "heavy" is applied when an aicraft is over a certain weight, regardless of whether it is laden with passengers or cargo. The usage is important to remind controllers to allow extra separation between "heavy" aircraft and other aircraft following, because heavy aircraft generate increased wake turbulence, a significant danger to following aircraft. (There may be other reasons for using the "heavy" designation.) [[User:Esjones|Esjones]] 12:06, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

== Salvage Yard? ==

As far as i was aware, Apollo shot down the missile that was fired at Colonial Heavy 798, and while there was a deleted scene with incomplete CGI that had the missile chasing him through the training range on the Trevor Moon - i've never heard of this 'salvage yard'. This should be edited - but i will wait for confirmation in case theres something i'm missing... --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:07, 13 June 2006 (CDT)
:I am prety sure. It might even be a debris field. I'll have to cite this also. :P --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:17, 13 June 2006 (CDT)

== Cargo Bay Size? ==

The current article notes that ''Colonial One'' is capable of carrying something Viper-sized; however, the Miniseries definitely shows Boomer's Raptor aboard after its departure from Caprica, presumably in addition to Viper 7242. As such, should this section be rewritten to note that ''Colonial One'''s cargo bay is far larger than a mere Viper berth? --[[User:Hyperdistortion|Hyperdistortion]] 19:13, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:It doesn't say "just one viper" but capable. We can re-word it for sure. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:17, 12 August 2006 (CDT)

== Exterior Markings? ==

It has already been stated that the exterior design was made intentionally similar to the "Air Force One" design. There is some lettering near the front of the ship. Two words that are fairly easy to read are "Luxury Liner" (or "Liners"). There are some other words that I have never been able to make out. The name of the owner of the ship, perhaps, from which it was chartered by the Colonial government? Knowing this may add to the backstory of the ship. [[User:Esjones|Esjones]] 12:12, 25 June 2007 (CDT)
:You probably mean [[Intersun]], the company that owned the ship. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:20, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Battle of the Resurrection Ship/Archive 1

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April Arcus: name change

== Number of Cylons? ==

Does anyone recall the exact number [[Number Six]] (not Gina) gives Baltar when angry over the impending destruction of the Resurrection Ship? Was it 10,000 or 100,000? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 14 January 2006 (EST)
:She says "tens of thousands of Cylons are about to die". It wasn't definite. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 10:27, 15 January 2006 (EST)
:: Thanks! -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:59, 15 January 2006 (EST)

==Article Name==
I preferred "Attack on". "Battle of" usually precedes the name of the battleground, which is unnamed here. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:15, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:I'm sorry but that's the format we're using. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]][[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:08, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::Ricimer, that was only slightly more polite than just telling me to shut up. The reason it's called a "talk" page is because we ''talk'' on it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:41, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:::For the battles series, "Battles" are used for most things, "Skirmish" is for small but noteworthy engagements, usually when either A) a minor recurring character dies, or B) a Viper or Raptor is destroyed. "Skirmish over the Red Moon" is officially the smallest engagement that deserves it's own page; i.e. when 2 Raiders are destroyed with no losses in "Final Cut", it's so minor that it doesn't deserve a page. (also, on special occasions 'Fall of " can be used, etc). The basis I'm using is that the destruction of the ''Bismark'' is not referred to as "Attack on the ''Bismark'' "Battle of the North Sea" etc (something like that).

:::This is the basic format for these battle pages as they've been set up. They should fall into this, and I'm sorry I haven't made this more clear before. ==Ricimer, [[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:50, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::::It's appropriate to refer to the "Battle of the North Sea", since any historian writing about the Bismarck would know where it was. Since we don't know where the attack on the resurrection ship took place, the article would be better off being named based on information we do know. I favor "Attack on the Resurrection Ship".

::::As for your notion of standards for the battle pages, they would certainly be useful to discuss. As always, the appropriate place is [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions]]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:59, 19 January 2006 (EST)

::::I clearly favor "Attack of", given April's reasoning. (Which is why I called it "Attack of the Resurrection Ship" instead of "Battle of the Resurrection Ship".) Also, we ''could'' get away with naming the article "Fall of the Resurrection Ship"... Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 21 January 2006 (EST)

==Call for opinions==

I want this page moved back to "Attack on the Resurrection Ship" for reasons discussed above and on [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Standards and Conventions#Battle pages]]. If you have an unvoiced opinion on the matter, please chime in. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:25, 21 January 2006 (EST)

:You will also see my counterarguements on the same page, which show the reasons why I think it should stay. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:23, 21 January 2006 (EST)

== Midway Similarities in Question ==

The article currently includes the language that the Cylons, "were surprised by the appearance of Pegasus, long presumed destroyed in the initial Cylon attack." The Pegasus had been performing hit-and-run tactics and even made an attack on a large number of raider squadrons. To say that the Cylons thought it had been destroyed and were suprised cannot be right. I'm not sure if there is a better way to correct the article other than to remove the language, however. Suggestions? - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 21:32, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
: It should be refined to say "were surprised by the discovery that ''Pegasus'' had discovered ''Galactica''", since the Cylons had not known that Cain found the Fleet until that attack. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:38, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:: That sounds good, except that since the only Cylon we ever observe in the episode is 'Gina,' our saying that the Cylons were suprised is tenuous. If I were commander of two base stars, a res ship, and whatever else might have been there, following a human fleet away from their homeworlds, and kept getting outerspace-ambushed by a different human ship, I might expect them to link up at some point. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 07:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

==Raptor Crew==

It only takes 2 people to pilot a Raptor so what were 4 people doing in the one the Blackbird crashed into? Also, why was it disabled? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:It was never stated that there were four people on the raptor, just that six people died between this episode and the next, including Cain and the marine killed by Gina. The Raptor that Lee collided with could have survived entirely; it could have been destroyed with two pilots, in addition to two vipers, it could have had a crew of four, or anything in between. And who knows why it was disabled? There was a lot of ordinance flying around, and a casualty figure of four is astonishingly low already. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:01, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Support Ships==

Cain said that about a dozen support ships were protecting the Resurrection Ship in conjunction with the Basestars. But where were they during the stealth mission and subsequent battle? I only saw Basestars. Or was Cain referring to the Heavy Raiders in the formations '''as''' the support ships? [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 18:12, 29 November 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Quality Articles

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Woah woah woah. Locking an article down from edits totally defeats the wiki spirit. I don't object to having specific revisions marked as "1.0", "1.1", "2.0", etc. which we can link to with oldid links, but blocking edits entirely is a very poor idea. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:01, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

:I concur with April here. This is a slippery slope that defeats the collective purpose of the Wiki. I like the idea of tagging popular or quality pages, but the idea of numbering versions will be a nightmare of micromanagement. I didn't get how we define what is quality, but I will read it again. I would think such a thing would be by things like (1) hits on the article, (2) number of edits, and (3) number of hard sources. If that is the case, then, many current articles fit this, defeating the reason for the tag. I'll have to think a bit more on how this could work. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:49, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

::I agree. To clarify my idea on numbered versions, although it could be useful to know what the most recent version is which has passed a certain battery of quality tests, the fact is that newer material will almost invariably be better than older as long as projects such as the Citation Jihad et al. maintain their vigilance; and that vandalism will be reverted practically instantly. Anything beyond a wikipedia-style Featured Articles process strikes me as obtuse and impractical. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:06, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

I like what Memory Alpha does for Star Trek: there is a list of "features articles" but you're allowed to edit them. All it is is a "showcase" list of the best articles that new readers might want to look at; they are also more heavily moderated, but editing is not locked. Further, character biography pages are mostly being added chronologically now, and the Cylon page is notoriously in need of devlopment; of course, that's because we the audience are in the same situation as the Colonials, who know little of the Cylons as well. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]], October 14, 2005

: Very cool. Glad that everyone agrees that protecting articles is a bad idea. :-) (That portion was BS anyway, though oddly enough inspired by this [http://news.com.com/Wikipedia+to+tighten+editorial+rules/2100-1025_3-5820655.html news article] regarding Jimbo's locking down of articles whose quality was "undisputed".) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:59, 14 October 2005 (EDT)

'''Comment:''' I think "Featured Articles" has a better ring to it than "Quality Articles" - noun-noun compounds always strike me as ugly. And exactly what "quality" is it, exactly? Good or bad? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:03, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:Maybe. But even if there is a difference, if you had 5 Quality articles, you can't show five of them on the front page at once. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 19:16, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::I'm not sure you've replied to my actual comment. All I'm saying is that "Quality article" is a worse name for this sort of thing than "Featured article". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:21, 17 March 2006 (CST)

::: I concur, April. Though, because of common usage, I'd not be so hasty to say that "quality" cannot be an adjective. In any case, I like the fact that "Featured Articles" is more exact and equally concise. It also does not, really, imply any level of high quality. If a Quality Article is vandalized it will not be of high quality (for all of, maybe, five seconds), thus ruining the name. If a Featured Article is vandalized, it will still be featured (and fixed quickly as well, I hope). --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:37, 18 March 2006 (CST)

::: I concur, April. If we could change it before it appears too many more places, that'd be great. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:09, 25 April 2006 (CDT)

==Quality vs. Featured==
Are we still using this? What is meant to be the difference between a Quality article and a Featured article? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:55, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
:QA's could being used as what [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Peer Review|Wikipedia:Peer Review]] does before most articles are even considered to be FA. This could end the "debate" on most FA's and have people nominate pages to QA status first before the short FA period beings. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:16, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
::Not a bad idea. I think wikipedia calls them "Good articles". --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:05, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
::Link was bad. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:21, 12 June 2006 (CDT)
:::I created the current site notice to try to draw some attention to this process, as I find it a worthy one. In a perfect world, featured articles would go through the quality article process first (not that it is truly necessary). I do think, however, we should be identifying quality articles any which way. I've added a few potentials but have yet to see much commentary on them. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 11:49, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Yeah, this sounds like something we should do. I tried thinking about some articles, but nothing comes immediately to mind. Maybe we could start by finding the best (or just really good) main character article, episode guide page, technical article, etc... --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:55, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
:::There are a handful of articles in [[:Category:Quality article candidate]] that could probably use some review. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:40, 18 May 2007 (CDT)

== Quality Episode Guide ==
The episode guide pages are a big part of what drew me to the battlestar wiki, and we have a lot of good content, analysis, quotes on those pages. Maybe somebody could search through the RDM episodes and find an episode guide page that could be cleaned up to QA standards for potential use as an FA? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)
:[[Rapture]] guide is pretty good. If it was fixed up a little bit more... i think we be golden for an FA status. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:38, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
::Mhh, yes. That one looks good. Maybe if we find some official statements and a bit more noteworthy dialogue (just a few items. Some pages tend to go overboard with it). --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:41, 17 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'll try to pull something appropriate out of the podcast for an official statement or two. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:27, 17 May 2007 (CDT)

==Question on qa diff template use==

Ok, [[Cylons (RDM)]] is now a quality article. According to the QA page, [[Battlestar Wiki:Quality Articles/Cylons (RDM)]] needs to be archived, and the {{tlp|qa diff}} template used. How would one go about doing this? Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 00:47, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
:* <strike>Also need to do it for [[The Colonial Gang]].</strike>
::Basically, all you have to do is remove the {{tl|qa talk}} tag, and replace it by {{tlp|qa diff|''pagename''|''oldid''}}, where pagename is the name of the article in question (e.g. Cylons (RDM)), and oldid the revision ID of the article's current revision. You can get this ID by visiting the page and clicking "Permanent link" in the left sidebar. Your browser's address bar now reads http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Cylons_%28RDM%29&oldid=122402 which means you need to fill in 122402 as the second parameter. I have done this for [[Battlestar Wiki:Quality Articles/Cylons (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:18, 20 May 2007 (CDT)
Thanks much, Catrope, this is exactly what I needed. Will do for [[The Colonial Gang]] right now. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 13:24, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

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= Discussions =

== lost access to my old account ==
hello! this is [[User:DrWho42]] from a new account. my old account used an old university email which i no longer have access to. if possible, i would like to regain access in preparation for the new series (love sam esmail and ''mr. robot''!).-[[User:DoctorWho42|DoctorWho42]] ([[User talk:DoctorWho42|talk]]) 02:03, 5 January 2020 (PST)
: Send me an email at webmaster@battlestarwiki.org with your new email address. I should be able to update your account and send you a password reset link. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:40, 5 January 2020 (PST)

== Improperly Archived Talk Pages ==
I'm seeing a lot of archived pages in the Talk namespace with "/Archive 1" appended to their names, where the corresponding unprefixed Talk page does not exist. It looks like someone mass-archived talk pages and neglected to create new talk pages or an archive index. I suggest that we move these pages back to their unprefixed titles, with a bot or mass edit tool if possible. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] ([[User talk:April Arcus|talk]]) 19:59, 12 April 2020 (PDT)
: This was caused by the initial deployment of the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StructuredDiscussions StructuredDiscussions extension]. It should've provided a link the "archive" from the main "talk" page, but it didn't deploy that. I'm seeing about a means to rectify that. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:17, 13 April 2020 (PDT)
:: 👍 --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] ([[User talk:April Arcus|talk]]) 16:57, 13 April 2020 (PDT)

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== Late congratulations ==

Hello, Joe! Until a few hours ago, I had no idea that the Battlestar Wiki had been restored months ago. Thanks for fighting the ''very'' long fight! -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] ([[User talk:BlueResistance|talk]]) 16:18, 6 January 2020 (PST)
: Hello, Blue! Happy to see you back! It's been a long time, for sure, but it's worth it. I look forward to continuing on into 2020 and beyond! Good hunting. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:43, 7 January 2020 (PST)

== Allowing user CSS and JS use ==

Hi Joe, I wish you a Happy New Year! Hope you're fine. Is it possible please to modify the <tt>LocalSettings.php</tt> file as followed:
<pre>
$wgAllowUserCss = true;
$wgAllowUserJs = true;
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This to allow work on CSS in order to look like the [[:fr:|French Wiki]] (color and scheme) for testing if you want to. After the right attempts, I would like to implement the css on the [[MediaWiki:Timeless.css]] page. Thank you very much. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 11:09, 18 January 2020 (PST)
: Done and done! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:55, 18 January 2020 (PST)
<gallery widths=400px heights=280px>
File:English wiki by LIMAFOX76.png|Image of a modified Main Page taken with my [[User:LIMAFOX76/timeless.css|CSS template]].
File:Main English with CSS.png|Image of the current Main Page (2020-01-27) with my personal CSS template.
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:: Hi Joe, Here is a first glimpse of what could be {{SITENAME}} with a look similar to the [[:fr:|French one]]. Tell me what you think... Some reverse writing (white on white) must be fixed. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 02:10, 24 January 2020 (PST)
::: Hi Joe, I updated my "Main Page" example (see on the right). Tell me what you think. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 00:01, 27 January 2020 (PST)
:::: Is there a way to use that skin (as a standard) on the german page? [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 14:20, 4 April 2020 (PDT)
::::: Yes. I wanted to test and tweak it on the English wiki before I rolled it out on the Media Repository and the German wiki. I think I'm nearly done with the testing. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]

== Allowing download of TTF and OTF files ==

Joe, can you please add the "ttf" and "otf" extensions in the [[:md:|Battlestar Wiki Media]] <tt>LocalSettings.php</tt> authorized files so I would be able to use extra fonts for the wiki's look. Thank you very much! Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 04:22, 24 January 2020 (PST)

: Best to email me the files sent me directly, so I can upload these directly to the Skins folders: webmaster (at) battlestarwiki (dot) org. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:51, 24 January 2020 (PST)

:: I dove in and modified the "Timeless" CSS, cloning it into "Daybreak" and have begun additional stylings, see: [[MediaWiki:Daybreak.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Daybreak.js]].

:: Once things are locked in on EN, I'll deploy on DE and the Media Repository, too. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:42, 26 March 2020 (PDT)
::: I am happy to see the old look back! :-D [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 10:22, 26 March 2020 (PDT)

== The Return of... the spammers! ==

Hi Joe, It seems that the spammer bots (or not) have found a way to strike back. May it is time to add some new questions the the Questy-Captcha inside the LocalSettings.php file. I made some for "my" English version attempt. I'll send you via email to your admin. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 13:34, 14 March 2020 (PDT)

: Cheers! Received your email. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:11, 14 March 2020 (PDT)

:: Hi Joe, It seems that the spammers are attacking the German wiki. I cannot prevent them as I have no admin right. Can you do something please? Thank you. Cheers!--[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 07:34, 19 March 2020 (PDT)

::: On it. Thank you! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:31, 20 March 2020 (PDT)

::: Looks like [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] already handled it! Cheers! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:34, 20 March 2020 (PDT)

Update: I've removed some of the older CAPTCHA questions, since they were easily cracked (ergo the influx of spammers as of late). Furthermore, given our increase in SEO, I suspect that spammers are salivating and thus we're seeing a lot more attention now than we did when we relaunched. Reminds me of the "good ol' days." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:44, 21 March 2020 (PDT)
: <big>'''147!'''</big> That's crasy though. Big job! Ouf! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 09:10, 21 March 2020 (PDT)

:: Can you please disable the annoying captcha questions for my account here. It is really disturbing my work here and you know I will do no mess here. And can you repair or reintroduce the page click counter? [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 10:22, 26 March 2020 (PDT)
::: Hi Enabran, the page click counter has been disabled on recent versions of MediaWiki. You need another extension to enable it. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 11:15, 26 March 2020 (PDT)
::: Enabran, I'll check into disabling the captcha. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:29, 26 March 2020 (PDT)
:::: LIMA, all the page click counters are pretty much beta or untested versions. Any thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:29, 26 March 2020 (PDT)
::::: Great, thank you :-) [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 01:44, 27 March 2020 (PDT)
:::::: I would say to try [[md:Extension:GoogleAnalyticsMetrics|GoogleAnalyticsMetrics]] but we become dependant to Google. ;-)
: The Spammers are back. [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 01:50, 8 April 2020 (PDT)
:: Enabran, do you have an email address so I can send you questions you can translate in German? Thank you. Cheers!
::: [https://de.battlestarwiki.org/Benutzer:Enabran here] on my german profile
:::: Email sent! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 03:16, 8 April 2020 (PDT)

Here I have got a new user every 6 Minutes... They do not spam at the moment. [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 03:10, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
: Hi Enabran, please block all of them, they don't have correct names for a "classic user", like First name/Last name with no space, and a random number at the end. They all smell upcoming spammers. As you named me admin (thank you), I can help you for this. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 04:12, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
: Hi Joe, can you please use Enabran's translation of the different questions you received by email to improve the German wiki's protection? Thank you very much! Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 04:20, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
:: Will do. I was planning to roll it out over this weekend, but I'll address it now given the issues. I'll loop around when I'm done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:28, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
:: It is completed, Imperious Leaders! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:05, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
::: Now we can resume our plan!! ;-) --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 12:11, 10 April 2020 (PDT)

== TOS-Cast-Chaos ==
Oh man...
chaos in the cast datas of Battlestar Galactica TOS!

For example, there is a name of a role during the credits. When you go to Imdb, there is another given name. Then you figure out that the actor was married x times and had x names.
What do I do now when I create an article? Here in the Wiki, each role needs an article for the actor. Do I now give article the name given in the credits, the current name of the actor, their birthname or the artist name of IMDB?

This lady, for example: [[Janet Lynn Curtis]]
the credits say: Janet Lynn Curtis - Sorell (only 1 r unlike the [[Sorrell]] here, anotehr mistake?)
IMDb entry for her https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0193371/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm

says Janet Prescott ??? how so??? Born as Janet Lynn Curtis, married to Glen A. Larson and therefore a Janet Larson or Janet Curtis-Larson.
We need a guidline.[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 07:13, 31 March 2020 (PDT)

: I see there was a discussion on this begun at [[Talk:Sheila DeWindt]]. It's best to follow what we've done with [[Janet Lansbury]], with redirects from the original name as credited in the episode, and go from there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:55, 31 March 2020 (PDT)
:: And what would be the accurate Articlename for Janet? [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 11:02, 31 March 2020 (PDT)
::: For Janet Lynn Curtis, the primary article name would be [[Janet Lansbury]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:36, 31 March 2020 (PDT)
:::: Sure! But sorry I was not clear enough with my last post, I was meaning [[Janet Lynn Curtis|that Janet]] ;-) and here we have the big mess [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 23:37, 31 March 2020 (PDT)
::::: Oh! sorry! I thought they were the one and the same Janet! (They're not.) I've moved that to [[Janet Prescott]]... and I believe she was actually married to Glen Larson for a time! Worth further investigation! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:41, 1 April 2020 (PDT)
:::::: That's what I have done. She was married with Larson from 1982 - 2008. It was her only marriage. She was born as Janet Lynn Curtis and she is only credited as forms of Janet Curtis or Janet Larson-Curtis. I do not know where the Prescot comes from. Other Sources name her Janet Larson-Curtis [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 09:44, 1 April 2020 (PDT)
::::::: She went by Curtis-Prescott in 2017 per [https://harrismanagement.prezly.com/janet-curtis-prescott-hollywood-veteran-producer--writer-signs-with-harris-management this press release], so that's where Prescott comes from. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:08, 1 April 2020 (PDT)

== Things I cannot do ==

If you have time, there is that family-tree-thing, that I never managed to do, what I want it to do. Maybe someone of you can repair that stuff. Here is one of 2 I use on the german page: [https://de.battlestarwiki.org/Vorlage:Adama_Stammbaum_(TOS) TOS Adama Tree] thank you --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 14:26, 4 April 2020 (PDT)

: Yes, I'll see about deploying the Family Tree extension in the next behind-the-scenes updates. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:47, 4 April 2020 (PDT)

Layout: When I have a template [https://de.battlestarwiki.org/Vorlage:Schlachtdaten like this] used for battles [https://de.battlestarwiki.org/Tausend-Yahren-Krieg like that] how can I force the Matrix to add a little space between "Ergebnis:" and "Entscheidender zylonischer Sieg..."?
: Hi Enabran. I think I fixed it with adding a "padding-rigth" on the template, waiting until you have the next "Daybreak" skin. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 05:32, 5 April 2020 (PDT)
:: thank you Lima! It looks much better now. I will use it in my other templates too. [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 06:13, 5 April 2020 (PDT)

When I see the Castdata or Crewdata, is it possible to add 2 nationalities to the actors infobox? Tricia Helfer is both US and CAN. Maybe someting like you did with the Series 1,2,3 icons. [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 05:54, 10 April 2020 (PDT)

== Uploading a new version of an existing file on [[:md:|Media Battlestar Wiki]] ==

Hi Joe, Several times, I tried to upload a better version of existing files on the Media repository. Every time I have a error appearing and I have issues to retrieve it on the English wiki. Is it possible please to check and fix this point. It may be a question of read/write access or owner/group issues (<tt>www-data</tt>) for MediaWiki on the "Images" folder. Thank you very much. Cheers! --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 12:25, 7 April 2020 (PDT)
: Which files in particular? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:42, 7 April 2020 (PDT)
:: [[:File:Dancer.jpg]], [[:File:Carillon.jpg]], [[:File:Anton.jpg]] for example. Some are okay now but every time, I had an error message for after uploading the update, and I had to refresh/purge several times in the media repository AND the English wiki to have the image in the good way. But now it's correct. --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 23:49, 7 April 2020 (PDT)
::: Ah, got it! I've run into that myself with some of the older images — even though it may throw a "Database Exception" error, it still uploads the image. I believe some of that is due to the fact that MW has changed so much, and even though I run the update/cleanup scripts, some of the info in the DB is so old that it throws these errors.
::: I am further aware of a lag when uploading an image to the Media Repository, and then having that information communicated through the API of the load balancer. It happens even on brand new files. Sometimes it's pretty quick/instantaneous, sometimes it isn't. I've surmised that it depends on what AWS is feeling at that particular moment. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:40, 8 April 2020 (PDT)
::: Joe, my IP was blocked on the Mediawiki page. I cannot upload more images. [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 05:54, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
::: Which IP are you talking about? --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 06:56, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
::::IP address is 172.31.21.31, and the block ID is #7178. But I have seen, he block is until tomorrow - something I can live with... [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 07:05, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
::::: Try now... --[[User:LIMAFOX76|LIMAFOX76]] ([[User talk:LIMAFOX76|talk]]) 07:07, 10 April 2020 (PDT)
:::::: Well done! [[User:Enabran|Enabran]] ([[User talk:Enabran|talk]]) 09:17, 10 April 2020 (PDT)

== Message for you on Chief's noticeboard ==

I posted an observation / suggestion at [[Battlestar_Wiki:Chiefs%27_noticeboard#Improperly_Archived_Talk_Pages]] --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] ([[User talk:April Arcus|talk]]) 20:00, 12 April 2020 (PDT)

User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.

2020-04-13T03:00:31Z

April Arcus: /* Message for you on Chief's noticeboard */ new section

Battlestar Wiki:Chiefs' noticeboard

2020-04-13T02:59:18Z

April Arcus: New Topic: Improperly Archived Talk Pages

Battlestar Wiki talk:Silly pages

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April Arcus: name change

I have to say that I find the idea of a formal policy on Silly Pages a little bit disagreeable. We already have a few generally agreed upon guidelines: Silly pages should be few in number, and funny. Anything else is up for grabs, and as for how we judge humor, I'm content with the [[Wikipedia:Potter Stewart|Stewart Test]] ("I know it when I see it"). --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:38, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

:I agree with April. We should only have had one or two of these and a policy just makes more. Further, the idea of having a combined silly page with the real toaster article was a bad move. I'm going to try something with [[Toaster]], I'll try it and we'll see how it works out...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:27, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

::You both say this is a "stupid" idea yet, the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page is never questioned. If you keep the silly pages in contect with Battlestar Galactica, I think it might have some merit for this Policy to voted on and to be approved of, or this might be "already" approved apon because the "'''[[Battlestar Wiki:Human Census Survey]]'''" page has been here for a while. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:48, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

:I generally had the same opinion as April until I realized that a place like this calls for structure. So, this policy proposal is a trial balloon. If we leave silly page generation in the "I don't know if its art, but I know what I like" stance as we have it now, it's left for POV (instead of established guidelines) on whether the page is funny or not, if the page is appropriate or not. A few ground rules allow us to say outright what cannot be a silly page topic but leave the rest of the work of maintaining such pages to the usual mechanisms. Else, it will appear that us veterans (a minority) are collectively speaking for the entire wiki in a sense. We can distill the whole policy to three or four things-- keep it funny, keep it relevant, and don't ridicule anyone. So if the pages exist, there has to be a reason and criteria for them as with all other pages. As an alternative, we should incorporate some language about this topic in an existing article, such as our policy on patent nonsense and related matter. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:13, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

::Your four points are good. Is there a reason we can't just list them and be done with it? The concision fairy would approve. As for POV issues, I think humor is inherently, and by necessity, a matter of opinion. What goes and stays is always going to be a judgment call, and inevitably, veteran users are going to have a little more weight. I don't see anything wrong with that, or any way around it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:58, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

:::That's fine. I wanted to have some level of control to these, but a little looseness is fine. I'll review and concise with your thoughts and others in mind. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:40, 15 June 2006 (CDT)

Added Caluse about [[BW:FA]] nomination. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:04, 21 February 2007 (CST)

== Vote ==

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* Date Ending: {{dateahead|{{JD|2007|02 |21}}|7}}

Instructions: Use <nowiki>{{Support}}, {{Oppose}}, {{Abstain}}, and {{Neutral}}</nowiki>, supported by a reason and appropriately signed using the four tildés (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).

Other users are encouraged to vote as well, simply use {{tl|vote}} to add your vote. Refer to [[Template:Vote]] for complete instructions.

# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{Support}}. Ah, yes, guess I'm the "last" of the Caprican aristocracy to vote... :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:26, 26 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] - {{Abstain}}. Automatic [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|leave of absence]] due to inactivity.
# [[User:Day|Day]] - {{Abstain}}. Automatic [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|leave of absence]] due to inactivity.
# [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:25, 26 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:20, 26 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] - {{Support}} --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:12, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] - {{Support}} --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:22, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Shane|Shane]] - {{Support}} [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:04, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] - {{Support}} per policy champion. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:11, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] - {{Support}} Good summary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:28, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Talos|Talos]] - {{Support}} It says what I want. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:54, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] - {{Support}} [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 11:07, 21 February 2007 (CST)
# [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] - {{Support}} - Well-written and covers all the bases. Alas for my hopes of FA status for [[New Caprican loco weed]], though. Ah well. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 19:26, 21 February 2007 (CST)

Talk:Caprica Beach

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April Arcus: April Arcus moved page Talk:Caprica Beach/Archive 1 to Talk:Caprica Beach without leaving a redirect: unarchive

Caprica City has a shoreline, perhaps the beach is there. It'd make more sense to name a beach for the city it's on than the entire planet. --[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 11:55, 29 June 2006 (CDT)

:This one is tough to justify. Aside from Tigh's comment, there's only speculation to go on, and a very questionable likelihood for more information. Still, it's a place, but I want to truncate the amount of assumed information. Compare with other mentioned-only locales such as [[Pilgrim Bay]] and [[Gup's Point]]. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:45, 30 June 2006 (CDT)

::I think it's a good point. Naming a beach after a planet is a little absurd. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:06, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
:::I agree. It sounds so little like a proper name that back when "Bastille Day" aired I decided not to include it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:39, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
::::Sort of reminds me of "Miami Beach"; I guess it's probably located in Caprica City since it was next to the ocean too. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:42 30 June (CDT)
:::::As much as I agree with all of you on the fact that it seems foolish to name a beach after a planet (Earth Beach just doesn't sound right, does it?), I have to go with Spencerian on this one. It may be very likely that Caprica City had this beach on [[Caprica City #The Shoreline|The Shoreline]], but the information given on this locale was so vague that would be an assumption. Besides, looking at this image, [[Image:Water Caprica City.jpg]], the waterfront almost looks like it's rocky. Not ideal for a beach. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 13:41, 1 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::It's a big city, with a lot of shore. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:04 01 July 2006 (CDT)
:::::::There are sections of Miami that look that built up from that distance, and still have lots of pleasant coastline. The speculation seems grounded enough to be worth noting. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:13, 1 July 2006 (CDT)
::::::::You're right, April. That speculation is probably as close as we're going to get to the beach's location anyway. It deserves to be in the article--[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 13:33, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Caprica Beach

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April Arcus: name change

Portal talk:Cylons/Current Humanoid Cylons

2020-04-13T02:51:55Z

April Arcus: name change

The seal of the Twelve Colonies isn't exactly the best image to use a placeholder here. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:39, 17 March 2006 (CST)
: I was looking for a silowite (I have no idea how to spell it.) I have one, but it's Star Trek releated. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 02:41, 17 March 2006 (CST)

:: Silouette? Like, of an anonymous person? I bet we could find one pretty easy... I may know a place, and know the guy who made the image, so we wouldn't have to worry about ownership. I'll see what I can come up with. --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:45, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::: Ah yes. :) Silhouette. Cool. Just make sure the image is still 70x50. April, nice idea with the links and the a.k.a. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 02:47, 17 March 2006 (CST)

:::: Well, I found the [http://www.texastrombones.net/images/unknown.jpg one I was thiking of], but it sucks. Maybe I should just GIMP up a brand new one. It could just be some shot of, like, Doral or someone, outlined. What about back-ground color, though? Grey or something? White? Any ideas? --[[User:Day|Day]] 02:52, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:::: A light grey. Very suttle. Maybe we should just make it "gender" generic. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 02:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:::: Looks good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 03:07, 17 March 2006 (CST)
:::::<strike>This is based on what Apple uses for their address book in OS X. I wonder if we could cook up something similar.</strike> --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 03:11, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::::::Uploaded new version. [[Image:Anonymous.png]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:43, 27 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::: Well, it's better than the one I just made and uploaded. However, mine has the added benefit of, as a joke, being based on a shot of Billy from the Miniseries. *wink* We could, if people think we'd be in the clear as far as ownership of images is concerned, use the prettier Apple one and simply reverse the colors (or change the white to black and the black to a light grey like the one I made). Also, edit the correct dimensions. April... You said you were going to bed. Do it now. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:15, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::::::: Doesn't matter to me. I thought your Day was fine. (I knew Billy was a Cylon! lol) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 03:18, 17 March 2006 (CST)
::::::: Well, we can't use the one I uploaded due to copyright reasons. I was just trying to illustrate what I had in mind. And of course by "sleep" I meant "stay up late not writing an overdue paper that I absolutely must finish by tomorrow morning." --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 03:20, 17 March 2006 (CST)

Image stretching = bad. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 06:11, 17 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Featured pictures/Debate for June 2006

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April Arcus: name change

{{archive-message
| start = June 1, 2006
| end = June 7, 2006
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= Candidates =
== [[:Image:Cylon resurrection.jpg]] ==
*No votes.
== [[:Image:Gina-Cain.jpg]] ==
*No votes.
== [[:Image:Radalm 217 1080i.jpg]]==
*No votes.
== [[:Image:33mincount 101 1080i.jpg]] ==
*No votes.
== [[:Image:PegasusForeBatteries.jpg]] ==
*No votes.
== [[:Image:Ep212battle.jpg]] ==
* {{support}} This gets my vote, though we have two images yet to decided. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:19, 4 June 2006 (CDT)
*{{support}} Yeah, this has always been one of my faves. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 03:25, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
*{{support}} I also vote for this one. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:01, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
*{{support}} Presuming I get a vote, I'm giving mine to this pic. It looks fantastic and it's much less familiar than some of the others(I think the one of the Vipers is featured in quite a few articles), but it's still a powerful image.--[[User:Pearse|Pearse]] 09:52, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
*{{support}} My vote. --[[User:Gougef|gougef]] 15:45, 7 June 2006 (CDT)

== [[:Image:Viper7961 handofgod.jpg]] ==
* {{support}} [[:Image:7961_HoG.JPG]] is of debatably higher quality. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 11:29, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
**No, open the full sized ones up side by side. The HD one is defo better and so the other pic should be marked for deletion. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 11:31, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
***The HD cap suffers from compression artifacts and has a sort of mushy tone to it. The DVD capture is much sharper, albeit of slightly lower resolution. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:38, 5 June 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} April's right on this. There are artifacts in the HD version. The DVD version is much sharper. I therefore vote for [[:Image:7961_HoG.JPG]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:34, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
**Its unfortunate that the HD image has been saved at such a low quality. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 12:30, 7 June 2006 (CDT)
***I'll get a better version of this tomorrow, it's lower quality because I brightened it up to see the numbers. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:54, 22 June 2006 (CDT)

== [[:Image:Insert Image.jpg]]==

Talk:Imperium Class Raider

2020-04-13T02:49:14Z

April Arcus: name change

== Diction ==
[http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/search?p=uprated uprated] That's not a real word, even if people use it as though it were.

[http://www.google.com/search?q=fightercraft fightercraft] That's surely not a word, yet it has 12k returns.

Anyway, "upgraded" is perfectly clear, perhaps more accurate for having an authoritative definition, and more familiar. Our audience is not the aviation community. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 18:03, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

:My impulse is to defer to James Swallow, although this isn't a major point. I'd like to point out that "uprated" has more google hits that "fightercraft" (which I will not defend) by more than an order of magnitude, and the "uprated" and "upgraded" mean slightly different things - "upgraded" indicates a more thorough overhaul and revision than "uprated", which would be me appropriate for a increase in specifications. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:04, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::I'm going to agree with April on the uprated term. I've seen it used many times. I found it on the Encarta dictionary [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/uprated.html]. I think fightercraft is also valid, it's just a more discriptive term instead of using just spacecraft. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:58, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Also, Merriam-Webster [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=uprated&x=0&y=0]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:59, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Imperium Class Raider

2020-04-13T02:48:23Z

April Arcus: April Arcus moved page Talk:Imperium Class Raider/Archive 1 to Talk:Imperium Class Raider without leaving a redirect: unarchive

== Diction ==
[http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/search?p=uprated uprated] That's not a real word, even if people use it as though it were.

[http://www.google.com/search?q=fightercraft fightercraft] That's surely not a word, yet it has 12k returns.

Anyway, "upgraded" is perfectly clear, perhaps more accurate for having an authoritative definition, and more familiar. Our audience is not the aviation community. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 18:03, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

:My impulse is to defer to James Swallow, although this isn't a major point. I'd like to point out that "uprated" has more google hits that "fightercraft" (which I will not defend) by more than an order of magnitude, and the "uprated" and "upgraded" mean slightly different things - "upgraded" indicates a more thorough overhaul and revision than "uprated", which would be me appropriate for a increase in specifications. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:04, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
::I'm going to agree with Peter on the uprated term. I've seen it used many times. I found it on the Encarta dictionary [http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/uprated.html]. I think fightercraft is also valid, it's just a more discriptive term instead of using just spacecraft. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:58, 20 April 2006 (CDT)
:::Also, Merriam-Webster [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=uprated&x=0&y=0]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:59, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Episode Transcripts

2020-04-13T02:46:43Z

April Arcus: name change

== Leverage Existing Resources ==
Is there any way we could leverage the existing transcripts? I'd hate to redo all that work if we could work something out with some of the people/groups that are already doing that to allow us to import them. I'd love to be able to have transcripts be citable, searchable, and linkified, but I'm not sure it's worth doing it ourselves. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:25, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:Just have to ask them. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:25, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

Yes, if we could repost Galacticastation's transcripts: well, these transcripts are actually from another site, SadGeezer's Cult TV Guide, which they reprint with permission. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:29, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:Everybody seems to get them from Sadgeezer's. Perhaps somebody could open negotations for allowing us to import them? (Links to the transcripts would be ok, but it'd be even cooler if we could provide in-line links where appropriate). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:31, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::/me is looking for e-mail address... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:32, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I actually use them to research quotes. From my experience just working on the "teaser", if we have to do them ourselves it will be a ton of work. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:36, 3 August 2006 (CDT)

==Copyright issues==
I have to voice my strong opposition here. I see nothing wrong with doing Podcast transcripts, since the original audio files are freely available at SciFi.com; but we have explicitly avoided transcribing DVD-only commentary tracks precisely because they are only available for a fee. We should have the explicit permission of NBC/Universal before posting transcripts of such material. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:57, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:Who could we contact to obtain written permission? I definitely want everything to be on the up and up, and even if we had written permission we'd want a template at the top like the podcasts indicating that we have permission and acknowledging the appropriate copyright holders.--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:01, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Is the synopses at Lurker's Guide legit? I like the synopsis form better than transcripts. Or are they different words for the same thing? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:56, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:::A transcript is usually word for word what is said on the show, as well as descriptive text for the action that occurs. I'd call our episode summaries decent synopses (is that a word?)... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:30, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Google said it was. So the synopses at Lurkers's are actually transcripts? Sorry, answered my own question. They don't include all the dialogue. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 15:47, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
::Bradley could probably at least tell us who to ask. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:41, 3 August 2006 (CDT)
:I agree that there is a serious copyright issue here. If we could gather permission to transcribe episodes, then that'd be great; otherwise, we shouldn't do it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:55, 4 August 2006 (CDT)
::I notice that Bradley had sent contact info to SV, Shane, April. Just wondering about status. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:08, 25 September 2006 (CDT)
:::April's got point on this, and that's about it for now. I'll try to remember to update here if anything develops. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:56, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

==Proposal Failed==
On 19 September 2006, [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] received the following message from Bradley Thompson:

<blockquote>Steelviper --

I asked our office manager, the inimitable Maril Davis, to look into the transcript question and here's what she came up with:

"You might want to have them contact Lana Kim at Sci Fi publicity ( ''[Contact Information Withheld]'' ) or Shara Zoll ( ''[Contact Information Withheld]'' ) who deals with SciFi.com."

I also suspect you're going to have to contact the WGA if you get clearance from SF, but one step at a time. -B</blockquote>

We subsequently agreed on the wording of a request for legal clearance, which I sent to Lana Kim:

<blockquote>Dear Ms. Kim,

Greetings. I am [REDACTED], and I am a representative of the website www.battlestarwiki.org. We were referred to you by Battlestar Galactica co-producer Bradley Thompson.

Our website is interested in hosting transcripts of Battlestar Galactica episodes for reference purposes. In order to do this, we would like to obtain legal permission to do so from the SciFi channel and/or other copyright holders. Obviously, we will not proceed without an official go-ahead.

I am not a lawyer, but you may feel free to use me or site administrator Joe Beaudoin (joebeaudoin@joebeaudoin.net) as our website's contact person for copyright-related matters.

-[REDACTED]</blockquote>

On 9 October 2006, we received the following response:

<blockquote>Hi [REDACTED],

Unfortunately, we cannot grant permission for you to do this.

Lana 
Lana Kim 
Director, Publicity 
SCI FI Channel 
''[Contact Information Withheld]''</blockquote>

Consequently, the current line of inquiry is now closed. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:04, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
: Sucks :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:20, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Government of the Twelve Colonies

2020-04-13T02:45:16Z

April Arcus: name change

==Plan==

In order to integrate this article into the Twelve Colonies series, I intend to:
*Merge content from [[Articles of Colonization]].
*Move to [[Government of the Twelve Colonies]].

I don't think fleet-specific information should remain here long term, as it probably deserves an article of its own - "Government of the Fleet" or somesuch - but that can wait until we put together a parallel Fleet Topics series, which is rather low on my to-do list. In the meantime, this remains the best place for both pre- and post-holocaust government information. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:38, 18 September 2005 (EDT)

== Italized Conventions in this Article ==

When comparing and contrasting the Colonial way to the US way of government, items were marked in italics. Should this be the way we note non-show components of this article. April's revert of items that, based on previous items in the article, should have been italized as well, confuses me. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

:I see your point. The phrase is "Numerous civil liberties are guaranteed under the Articles of Colonization, many of them apparently analogous to the United States Bill of Rights."

:The first half of that sentence is directly related to the Colonies, and shouldn't be italicized. It's simple enough to split that up. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:41, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

==People's Council==

I'm guessing that the People's Council mentioned by Baltar is probably the lower house (elected proportionally) alluded to in RDM's blog. I'd like to add a tentatively worded comment to that effect, but wanted to mention it here first. Anyone else have thoughts? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:Sounds good to me. Let's do it. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:47, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Parallels and a Notes Section==

I was recently reading John A. Garraty's ''The American Nation'' and I see a lot of parallels between the Colonial legislative branch, it's relationship with the Executive Branch and the rudimentary governments of the American Colonies. Worth noting in a notes section, perhaps? What do you all think? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:53, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I don't think we've seen enough of the system to draw many conclusions. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 04:35, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right. Those parallels just jumped out at me, that's all. Perhaps we can return to this when (and if) we see more of the governmental system. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 12:30, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Not really no. Actually RDM has kind of said in his blog that he's made them a mix of the current American government (for that "they're us" feel) but to destinguish them also added in that they're not ''quite'' as secular as we are, sort of with the religious branch advising stuff, not really that different but sort of how the British House of Lords is a remnant of an earlier system. I don't think we need a change on that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Government of the Twelve Colonies

2020-04-13T02:44:44Z

April Arcus: April Arcus moved page Talk:Government of the Twelve Colonies/Archive 1 to Talk:Government of the Twelve Colonies without leaving a redirect: No current talk page, un-archiving most recent archive

==Plan==

In order to integrate this article into the Twelve Colonies series, I intend to:
*Merge content from [[Articles of Colonization]].
*Move to [[Government of the Twelve Colonies]].

I don't think fleet-specific information should remain here long term, as it probably deserves an article of its own - "Government of the Fleet" or somesuch - but that can wait until we put together a parallel Fleet Topics series, which is rather low on my to-do list. In the meantime, this remains the best place for both pre- and post-holocaust government information. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:38, 18 September 2005 (EDT)

== Italized Conventions in this Article ==

When comparing and contrasting the Colonial way to the US way of government, items were marked in italics. Should this be the way we note non-show components of this article. Peter's revert of items that, based on previous items in the article, should have been italized as well, confuses me. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:38, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

:I see your point. The phrase is "Numerous civil liberties are guaranteed under the Articles of Colonization, many of them apparently analogous to the United States Bill of Rights."

:The first half of that sentence is directly related to the Colonies, and shouldn't be italicized. It's simple enough to split that up. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:41, 20 October 2005 (EDT)

==People's Council==

I'm guessing that the People's Council mentioned by Baltar is probably the lower house (elected proportionally) alluded to in RDM's blog. I'd like to add a tentatively worded comment to that effect, but wanted to mention it here first. Anyone else have thoughts? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:Sounds good to me. Let's do it. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:47, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

==Parallels and a Notes Section==

I was recently reading John A. Garraty's ''The American Nation'' and I see a lot of parallels between the Colonial legislative branch, it's relationship with the Executive Branch and the rudimentary governments of the American Colonies. Worth noting in a notes section, perhaps? What do you all think? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 23:53, 3 July 2006 (CDT)

:I don't think we've seen enough of the system to draw many conclusions. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 04:35, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

::Right. Those parallels just jumped out at me, that's all. Perhaps we can return to this when (and if) we see more of the governmental system. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 12:30, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

:::Not really no. Actually RDM has kind of said in his blog that he's made them a mix of the current American government (for that "they're us" feel) but to destinguish them also added in that they're not ''quite'' as secular as we are, sort of with the religious branch advising stuff, not really that different but sort of how the British House of Lords is a remnant of an earlier system. I don't think we need a change on that. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:52, 4 July 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Random Templates

2020-04-13T02:42:43Z

April Arcus: name change

== Split? ==

Perhaps these should be separate pages, as they are separate issues. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 04:39, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

== Ships Template ==

:All right, the Ships template looks excellent and would definitely increase effeciency here. However, a few new ships could be added to the Colonial section. Nothing superfluous, as I don't want a link to ''every ship in the Fleet,'' since most of them are just ''there'' and pretty much just serve as eye candy and the occasional sitting duck for an unfortunate explosion. But there should be links to ships that have played important parts in the series (i.e. [[Cloud 9]], the [[Pan Galactic]]-type starliners, the [[Gemenon Traveller]]-type ships, etc.). What does everyone think? --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 22:47, 26 July 2006 (CDT)

==Process==
I dislike this. One proposal per major template, please. It will help us keep votes straight. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:14, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

: I concur with this. Like CalculatinAvatar said earlier and April said just now, this page really should be split into two different template proposals. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 20:46, 27 July 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane

2020-04-11T08:41:57Z

April Arcus: name change

{{rfcp}}

==Shane==

In order to remain listed at [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment]], at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the ''same'' dispute with a ''single'' user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: {insert UTC timestamp with <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>}), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: <tt>{{CURRENTTIME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}} (UTC)</tt>.
----
*([[User:Shane|Shane]] | [[User talk:Shane|talk]] | [[Special:contributions/Shane|contributions]])
----
''Users should only edit one summary or view, other than to endorse.''
===Statement of the dispute===
''This is a summary written by users who dispute this user's conduct. Users signing other sections ("Response" or "Outside views") should not edit the "Statement of the dispute" section.''

==== Description ====
Although the "feud" between [[User:Shane|Shane]] and myself has already made a mockery of the RFC process, I feel like there is no other way to deal with this. I can no longer tolerate Shane's personal insults, or his behavior issues in general, and these issues must be addressed in a fair and open fashion.

==== Evidence of disputed behavior ====
I will begin by documenting Shane's personal attacks against me. I understand that our "feud" weakens my more general case against him, but I feel it's important to air our dirty laundry before moving on to broader issues.

*In [[Talk:Main Page/Friends Section]], Shane attacked me for taking a strong position on the appearance of our links to other websites.

*In [[Battlestar Wiki:Featured articles/Debate for June 2006]], he accused me of displaying favoritism toward an article I had created.

*In [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/April Arcus]] and [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/April Arcus (2)]] he initiated a string of frivolous attacks against me, in retaliation for my attempts to encourage him to pursue a more moderate behavior pattern.

*In [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/Shane]], he threatened to file another such RFC against me if my vote against his adminship were allowed to stand.

I believe that these actions amount to a concerted campaign against me which has clearly entered the realm of harassment. He has strained my considerable patience nearly to the breaking point, and I cannot continue to endure this sort of abuse without complaint.

What follows is a more general, and incomplete list of my criticisms of Shane as a contributor. These are all separate issues, but they also deserve consideration as we contemplate Shane's general pattern of behavior since joining us, and any possible remedy thereto. As always, I have done my best to separate the personal interactions above from the following criticisms, which I issue in my capacity as veteran contributor and administrator.

1. Shane has consistently refused politely worded requests to display common courtesy toward other contributors. Examples:
*[[User talk:Shane/Archive03#Template:Location Data]]

2. Shane has, on several occasions, edited other contributors user pages:
*[http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User%3AGeneral_Eisenhower&diff=54841&oldid=54217 General Eisenhower]
*[http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User%3ANgarenn&diff=57183&oldid=57102 Ngarenn]
The Jzanjani incident last year clearly demonstrated the importance of maintaining the sanctity of these areas.

3. Shane has displayed belligerent ignorance in areas to which he is clearly unqualified to contribute:
*[[Template talk:Email|Copyright Law]]

4. Shane has frequently charged ahead in potentially controversial areas without first obtaining consensus or applying due diligence.

*Most memorably, the Portals project was initiated without any plan or period for public comment. The controversy is documented at [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Portals]].
*He prematurely moved Bradley Thompson's contributions to an official sources subpage before his identity had been confirmed: [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Margaret_Edmonson&diff=57170&oldid=57157]

5. Shane has cleared controversial entries from his user talk, in an attempt to obscure the record:

*http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk%3AShane&diff=53144&oldid=53140

(This edit caused the entries visible here [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Shane&oldid=40410#Stop_it here] to be completely de-linked)

Obviously the list above is hardly complete, and I have provided only a few examples of the behaviors cited. If other users endorsing this summary can think of additional incidents, please note them.

==== Applicable policies ====
We do not currently have any policies in place regarding most of these issues. On the matter of harassment and user page edits, I believe that the [[User talk:Jzanjani#Banned for 1 Week|Jzanjani incident]] sets an appropriate precedent.

Belligerence and hostility toward other users should not be tolerated under any circumstances. I hope that we don't need a formal "be nice" policy in order for my other points to proceed.

==== Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute ====
The above links contain several instances of users, including [[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]], [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]], [[User:Day|Day]] and myself, who have attempted to resolve various matters.

==== Users certifying the basis for this dispute ====
''{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}''


(sign with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)
:#[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]]
:# As mentioned above, there is evidence that I've expressed my concern to Shane about his behavior. My most vehement of such expressions were in connection to his handleing of the Portals project at its inception. Since that time, I've been a bit less vocal on talk pages, etc. but have talked with Shane via the Gmail chat client and attempted to urge patience and level-headedness both in his dealings with edits and other users, as well as the specific issue if his interactions with April. I'm not certain what measures should be taken in this case, but I definately think that this issue needs some kind of official Admin response. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 02:59, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:#Yes. I agree very much with numbers 1 and 4. Shane is a good contributor, but rarely compromises and just goes ahead and does things, and gets angry and thinks we're "attacking" him when we tell him to show moderation in such matters. I mean, many times I or others here make a template change, to show how it would ''look'', as a test that is, and we're just "trying it out", but we'll change it back if it's unpopular and we haven't really implemented grand template changes on a massive scale. ---->I think the Portals project was one of the worst handled projects we've ever had. Shane made them without broad consensus but far more importantly, without planning them out far in advance. How many months were those things sitting around half finished? 2? 3? Visitors to the site probably didn't know what the heck was going on: we only just started getting a handle on the Portals. Nextly, Shane's been going into "Little Red Hen" mentality that "I made the Portals and new front page and I'm not made Administrator as a result?"--->Shane may have accumulated 5,000 edits rather quickly, but most of Shane's changes have been to the [[Wikipedia:Big Dig|Big Dig]]-like Portals project. April and myself passed 5,000 edits some time ago...the actual number doesn't mean anything towards ''Administratorship''. The Portals project and front page were not one of Shane's biggest claims to good behavior or something: they were controversial not planned out and I think a lot of you will admit caused a lot of yelling and fighting on ''BattlestarWiki''. They're nice, but in terms of "Battlestar Galactica information added" Spencerian, April, myself, Steelviper, lots of other users have contributed more, with information, with less edits. --->but moving on, '''Requests for Administratorship are sacrosanct''', and people CAN vote against you. It's actually up for Joe to determine if these votes are based on merite (that is, Spencerian pointing out that Shane has had judgement problems) vs. that loraque guy who never even comes to this wiki popping in to vote against me when he heard there was an RFC. That type of thing is up to Joe: but I think we'd all agree that April actually had "reasons" based on past behavior, for voting against Shane, and it is a ''serious sign that Shane is not yet ready to be an Administrator'', and show the moderation ability an Administrator needs, if he starts requests for comment when people vote against him. ------>Moving on, yes, an Administrator needs to be able to try to resolve disputes. I've got times I've tried to do that with other users, so has April, Spence, SV, lots of other people. Shane just gets angry when people ''disagree'' with him and acts like he's been attacked. Another aspect of the "moderation" part is deciding what to put into BSwiki--->Shane just tends to believe whatever he hears when we get rumors or new information. Case in point '''I strongly agree with April''' when it came to the Bradley Thompson thing: I'm happy it was indeed him but there's every chance it wasn't, and Shane just instantly assumed it was Thompson without confirmation...and proceeded to make more templates about official production team status and changes to his user page and such. To be honest, Shane is GREAT at making Wiki code and templates, but his contributions to the actual battlestar information *in terms of weighing options and deciding what to keep, what to concise, what to leave out and what to '''compromise with others on'''*...well he just tends to believe everything, do what he wants and then jump into a whirlwind of work without asking the rest of us. Yikes; during the Portals project's long production I remember ''several'' of us practially *Demanding* that he at least ''pause'' what he was doing, and he went on to make MORE portals. ------->I don't want to yell at Shane because he means well, but he has been pretty irresponsible. I mean I goofed up on that KR thing, but that wasn't a "behavior pattern" so much as just a big goof, and moreover, I recinded that and have been trying to come to terms with KR through PM's and other stuff on the messageboards. Six months ago I was "that hothead guy" I admit (bear in mind, in college I'm functioning on 3 hours of sleep on a regular basis and thus was predictably "short" at the time, but I'm more coherent now, and, on the whole I sohuld hope, I'm been more compromising or at least discussiing why I feel things. I don't think that in his current performance, Shane should be an Administrator so I agreed with Spencerian and April: does this mean I "hate" Shane and have a "grudge" with him? No. Nor does April. They're an Admin and they're trying to enforce our Conventions and behavior and such. Reacting to a vote against his RFA by April by making a request for comment was really a clear sign that he doesn't have the right behavior needed for Administrator status. If anything I feel that Shane's behavior "breaks even"; the portals and new front page are nice, but their creation and implementation have caused a lot of arguement here, and Shane's just seems easily bruised by comments. It took me a while to realize I couldn't respond to stuff here the way I would on a messageboard, but I ''did'' eventually. I don't think we should give Shane a warning ban or censure or such felgercarb, he's an okay guy he just needs to work on his behavior around the wiki more and show restraint a little. Six months time, who knows? things might turn around and then I'll vote for him. But right now, I dunno. I agree with April on a lot of their points, as I did with Spencerian's on the RFA. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:51, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:#There is little I have to add on this matter per comments on other articles, and concur with Merv's notes (if just a bit winded :). Maturity and responsibility, knowing when NOT to do something as well as when, is critical to getting along in the real world, or here. I am not against the notion of forcing Shane to calm down by a 1-week to 1-month block, but I'd rather that he show some reflection on what others have said here before we consider such action, as, despite some of the issues that April has encountered, the majority of Shane's work is worthy and well intentioned, and our wiki will be diminished a bit while he is blocked from edits. I find it interesting and pleasant that Merv (''nee'' Ricimer) has come a long way from where he began here to where I hope Shane will also be; Merv appears more enlightened on the workings of the wiki and (most importantly) interacting with the people on it, and his comments stand to that. It may be that Shane, like Merv, also a valued contributor, needs to sit back to ''understand'' and not just ''do.'' A tougher "skin" would also be appreciated. ''If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly...then don't submit it here.''--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:36, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

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===Response===
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This is simple:
# I do not contribuate infomration to the articles. Just the backend.
# The earlisit of time when I request comment and NO one had commented for over a month.
#*[[Template_talk:Episode_List]]
#*[[Template_talk:Character_Data#First_Introduced]]
# Portals where not linked. They were worked on in the background. The only time I posted when I requested comments and a "poll": [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Portals#Vote_How.3F]]. Portal work was not done with the approvoal of the wiki, but Joe: [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Portals#Chill.2C_Cree.21]]. As you can tell there is only one section in which I post in. Other than that it was April attacking the system. April orginially filled an RFC against me for this matter and no one supported it. (I request that be retored). I am not sure if he posted out about a new portal discussion: [[Battlestar_Wiki:Portals]]
#[[User:Jzanjani]] was way before my time.
#[[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Main_page]] There is no comments from April accept them [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Main_page#Style_Consensus]]. I requested more comment, and April did not fully explain their intensions: [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Main_page#More_Comment]]
#[[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Policy]]
#Myself and [[Bradley Thompson]] have been talking over e-mail since he joined. Also if you did a search for his username on Google and my private database, his name comes up.
#http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Shane&diff=prev&oldid=52289#Status - Ignoring does not work with April so I started doing it before this.
#User_talk:Shane/Archive03#Template:Location_Data - Refering to the comments. I was recently told that if no one comments they have no problem with it. [[Template_talk:Location_Data]] Proiving a point why we should have a template.
#Posted many things to [[:Category:Candidates for deletion]], to responses. None.
#[[Template_talk:Email]] i never objected to it other than stating my option on the change and from what I know. April snaped at me.
#[[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane/All_of_GMail_Conversations_with_April|Gmail conversations with April]]
#*My favorite: [[Battlestar_Wiki:Requests_for_comment/Shane/All_of_GMail_Conversations_with_April#April_Arcus_April_9]] - ''2:56 AM April: shane, I hope you'll believe me when I say that I don't mean to be insulting by telling you this, but most of the time it's extremely difficult to understand what you're talking about. It's a serious communication barrier. Can I ask if English is your first language?''
#[[Talk:Main_Page/Friends_Section]] - No one else had a problem with this other than April. And depmanding a change before people even had a chance to comment was not in good faith.
#[http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Featured_articles&direction=prev&oldid=56327 BW:FA] - Finshed May20th. No comments until the process started.

And mostly, there are no policies that I am breaking. So I have not done anything wrong execpt post my vaild reasons (strongly) on issues I beleive in. So if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:46, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

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::I don't know where else to put this (on second thought "outside views" seemed bad) but I need to comment on this Response somewhere (Admins move it if somewhere else is more appropriate):
::1)" I do not contribuate infomration to the articles. Just the backend." --->What does that mean? "backend"? What? One of the main points of BattlestarWiki isn't making many categories and templates, but judging what material to put in and keep out, working on our Question and Analysis sections and deciding what should stay and what shouldn't. Shane has, mostly, just been incredibly overzealous with Wikipedia Code, putting in things we didn't use to use; yikes, it's a dozen regulars and some guests fixing stuff; we're not aggressively pursuing everything from the "Policy" page: most of it's just copied from Wikipedia's, and we learn and adapt as we go. Shane's constant defense seems to be "I was following the Policies and Rules": Shane has become consumed by the formality of running a Wiki, rather than battlestar or the other users on this site.
* Backend is soemthing that no one sees, but uses it. It's like the code to MediaWiki. My first edits where done on articles and way way way back then my changes were made so I stoped doing it and just worked on the backend. My background is in programming. Not english, though this is my language.
::2) '''No one commented on the Portals project because we were waiting for Shane to announce that he was "done" with it, or that it was finally in a presentable form. But Shane was continually "working" on things, starting projects, not finishing them, then acting surprised when we critiqued or tried to change them'''.
* I hadn't finshed ebcause I was waiting for software update. Once that was done it could be marked done. So everyone edits were premature.
::3) Yes, you were asked to make a test run of a Portals system--->It was implemented, and but not entirely finished and usable for a very long time. Yes, it was put up in places half finished or not thought through fully.
* A test run? I created on Wikipieda: [[Wikipedia:Portal:Battlestar Galactica]]. You even commented on it during the process. Again, it was put on hold due to mediaWiki which joe can confirm for you if you want.
::4) It is irrelevant that the Jzanjani incident was before your time: as was linked on this page and stated, it was a problem involving a user changing someone else's user pages consistently: a link was then provided to the comments on that user's page chastising him for what he did, and why. It doesn't matter that it was "before your time", the lesson learned from it stands. The "Miranda incident" happened years before I was born, but I sure hope the police respect my Miranda rights which resulted from it today.
* You even put something on his page after he left. there was no policy in place. Me and mercifull were working together on his own user page (check the history) and no one commented on it. Then we created the [[BW:SI]] project.
::5) We kept waiting for you to say "this is finished", or to work on it more, and then we'd critique it....this is a hard thing to do to something perpetually half finished. April was just doing their job. SteelViper and I even started toying around with a mockup alternate new Main page based on MemoryAlpha's, as your's was dragging on and did not appear to be making progress.
* Again, this is not MA. My mockup was done before Steel's. Check the dates, and I had stop because of the "Mediawiki" problem which was address during the creation.
::6) How can you possibly cite, with not explanation just a link, "[[Battlestar Wiki talk:Policy]]" your proposed policy page in your ''defense''?! It met with unanimous disaproval, Joe didnt' support you just up and writing it without even proposing it, it was filled with "names and titles" for enforcing templates behavior and code and such (which Shane seems overly zealous about) but little to do with '''Battlestar Galactica'''.
* I have accauly re-edited that page and again waited for comment with no avil.
**Because my opinion was not changed: '''If you want people to get consensus, as for a formal vote, don't just assume everyone agrees with it. Some days hundreds of edits pass and it might simply have not been visible. '' --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:18, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
***[http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User:Shane&oldid=60860 Had you seen my user page?] I listed everything there! You could not miss it. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:20, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::7) This is the first I've heard of you talking with [[Bradley Thompson]]. This is your own matter and you don't have to, but would you be willing to tell us what you talked about? Why have you been doing this without telling us? Or did you tell April & Co, how have g-mail, as I myself don't make use of it? ***MOST IMPORTANTLY***, if you *already knew it was Bradley Thompson*, because you searched his username on Google mail (which I didn't think of as I simply do not possess a G-mail account) '''Why didn't you announce this on his user talk page? Why did you keep it to yourself? Even when I made a post there specifically asking for confirmation of his identity?''' April had to call the production office themself (I do not know the specifics of this). ---->Thompson in fact e-mailed ME, directly, telling me that I shouldn't try to confirm his identity through asking Ron Moore's wife on the messageboard, but he gave me the phone number for the production office and everything: however, by the time I checked my e-mail, he must have given similar information to April who then phoned and confirmed it (good), so I didn't need to make mention of his e-mail anymore because it was a moot point by then--->but had April not done so first, I would have told everyone else about this when someone publicly asked for confirmation of this.
* I will not explain on how I do things and how I get information.--Shane
**'''Ignoring all else, can you please tell us why you did not post confirmation that this was Bradley Thompson, but instead April had to go and phone the production office itself, if you already had such information?'''--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:14, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
***Would you have beleived me? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:16, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
****Without evidence, I would have doubted it no more or less than I doubted if Ngarenn was actually Thompson based solely on his word. But don't you think you should have....passed on this information to at least JOE, of all people? He could try and talk to the production office or something. You just didn't mention it at all, even when in the open I was asking "is there any way to confirm this is Thompson"-------------->Even in the e-mail he sent me (I assume April got a similar one) he said he didn't know if I'd accept an e-mail as proof, and that I should phone the production office, so he gave me the number. Did you get a phone number, or did you trust a HOTMAIL e-mail account? If you trusted just an e-mail from a free e-mail site....that's not really different from our initial problem that you believed "Ngarenn" at face value without (as we thought) confirming if it was Thompson or not...and on the other hand, if you didn't just trust an e-mail but actually got into a phone conversation with the production office....why didn't you foward the number to Joe, our trusted site owner, for total confirmation? Either way...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:23, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
*****I did not base it off a hotmail account. I told you I can not tell you how I found out, but I did not call the production office. I have access to more than one database. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:25, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
******If you didn't have a phone conversation, and you didn't use e-mail...how? Please tell us. Because not telling us sounds increasingly like you either got an e-mail or a phone conversation, either of which would put you in an embarrassing position, and you're now just cryptically quipping that you have "other means which I can't talk about" to try and diffuse the situation. Not telling us will only go closer to confirming this suspicition in my mind.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:28, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
*******Why do you keep pressing the issue? '''Arn't we supposed to be trying to DEFUSE the situation'''? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:32, 25 June 2006 (CDT) ********A) You're changing the subject. B) You gave quite a confusing response, the "difusing" thing would be to clarify it as asked, instead of belaboring the original point against you. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:35, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::8) "Ignoring does not work"...what does that mean? Shane disappeared for a few days, people were asking if he was still even here or not...how does this reflect poorly on April or anyone?
* Blocked them on GTalk.
* Kept in contact with Joe and Steel
::9) See my talk on the discussion page for location template, to which I have already added back a "delete" tag, as 3-4 users commenting on it isn't enough to judge consensus on it, and moreover as you were one of the involved parties in a Deletion discussion, the most you should have done is asked for a formal vote (which Shane rarely if ever does) and not gone on and removed the tag by yourself.
* Joe did not agree with the delete, but he thought the use of it was misused, as april did with a few pages with {{tl|Character Data}}
* A template not used is but is usefull shouldn't be deleted until it becomes aparent that there is a use for it.
::10) Like what?
* I do not want to list them, but you can check the history.
::11) You were unaware of the rule, yes, but pointing it out to you, and disproving your previous misconception, is not "snapped".
* That was after a long stressfull augrement on another factor and I thought that what partiapated the new template that I was working on.
::12) That sounded like an honest question. We get all sorts at BattlestarWiki.
* I am on the english part. Why would I not post in a "native" lanague first?
**...because we only have rudimentary Spanish and German versions, and several users here don't speak those or English as a native language?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:25, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
***Did you even see where I was born when I first joined? I don't have access to my old user page because I requedted it deleted because of [[Wikipedia:SSBI]] problems, but it stated I was born in NY. And that is discrimination. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:28, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::13) Again, Shane never made it clear when he was done, I have already some time ago replied to the discussion on that page, agreeing with April and asking Shane to stop asking petulant. Frak, every single time something's wrong "The Administrators are ganging up on me". Sometimes people are just wrong. Sometimes I'm wrong. Does this mean the Administrators shouldn't correct me? Regardless April wasn't acting as an administrator but a user. ****"NO one comments on templates", no because "they agree", but because for many templates Shane rushes them and finishes them before people can see how they function or if they're worth keeping. And when we said we didn't like something, such as the locations template, he overeacted.
*No one else announces when they are done. All they do is stop working on it. The podcast project had a system because of the large ammount of data.
::14) Finally, '''Shane never implemented the Featured Article system after creating it, and didn't make an announcement to start using it or that it was done: I had to kick start it'''. Check the history tags: last week of May I realized "The Featured Article and Picture sections aren't being used at all, and the Portals are NOT being regularly updated. I then went around trying to actually START the process of nominating these: Shane made a shiny looking template, with many rules and policies written on its implementation, but ultimately didn't put it to use after "finishing" it. So I tried to just nominate "Galactica (RDM)" as a featured article, but it turns out that the "Featured Article" *process*, not just a code template, obviously wasn't ''finished'' as after I made the simple request for "Galactica" Shane and April got into a raging arguement about it's implementation. I'm not taking sides too much on that one (though I think I agreed to April, with caveats). Either way, the "Featured Article" project was not one of Shane's high points, but something we had to kick-start into actually USING after he wrote more code and templates and policies. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:42, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
*I was being proper and waiting for comment. That's why I never created the template. Once you created the first template to be placed on a page, I figured it was ok to go ahead and do something about the full process. I even noted that there was no activitey on these pages and nothing been updated. I go around and update pages everyonce in a while since no one else has done it.

How come I am being blamed for creating something THAT Joe does not mind? Joe loved the new main page and even implemented on my Birthday. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:06, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

===Joe's proposal ===

It is sad that this has to happen, but there is a definite problem here that doesn't seem to have a neat solution to it. I'm not going to lie when I say that the situation is messy. I'm not going to reply point-by-point to either April's or Shane's bulletpoints, as that wouldn't be utterly beneficial to the community. For some time now, I have attempted to moderate and deal with the issues between Shane and April; I try not to choose a side. (If there is a side I am on, it is that of ''consensus'' and ''compromise''.) As I have indicated before, and as many of you have seen here, Shane and April represent a dichotomy: one is quick to action without full consideration of the potential consequences of said actions, the other inquires as to why the changes are necessary and how they will benefit "the big picture".

I have encouraged both editors to try to work together. I know I am not the only one. I have tried to get Shane to understand that there is a '''fundamental ''difference'' between the contributor and their contributions'''. In other words, criticism of someone's work does not equate to a personal attack. The issue here is that Shane takes things far too personally -- it's a position that I emphathize with, because ''I've been there myself''. I ''understand'' it on a personal level.

Thus far, I've failed in getting Shane to understand this. And I'll be quite honest, I don't know how exactly this situation should be handled. So this RFC is necessary, because it gives the community a chance to voice in on how to address the issue. I do have an idea, but I'll get to that further on.

After reviewing the months of activities, contributions and issues between the two, I believe that April has demonstrated restraint and emotional control. (If they've blown up, it's been in private -- before now.) Anyone without April's respectible patience would have said "fuck this, I have better things to do" long before this point. And, really, April ''does'' have better things that they could be doing. And so does Shane. And so do I. And so do we all.

The reason this wiki exists is because we have passion. We find contributing to an encyclopedia and episode guide is fun. It's enjoyable.

However, right now, it's not enjoyable for at least two people.

So here's the issue before us. There needs to be a concerted effort to get Shane to understand that when people criticize something he's created, it's not a personal attack, or an attempt to use him and then throw him out. Achieving and striving for a positive solution for all concerned is the point of the RFC. Here's an action plan I have for Shane, and tell me what you think, please.

First, there is the issue of snapping back at people and using the RFCs in an inappropriate way, as a form of personal attack. RFCs are not to be used on people you don't like personally, or that you have personal problems with. These things should be handled off-wiki. Secondly, the issue is that there needs to be a cooldown period for Shane, because of his history of reacting without thinking the issue through. Despite my understanding that this reactionary response didn't just appear out of nowhere, this still needs to be addressed. Therefore, I propose that Shane will not edit the wiki for '''seven days''' after the decision is finalized. I am hoping that this break will be taken voluntarily; however, should it not be, I will place a seven day block on the account.

After the break, Shane will be on a thirty day probationary status. He is to conduct himself in the proper ettiqite, thus he will not engage in personal attacks (ad hominem or otherwise) or major actions. If he wishes to make a major change, such as the creation of a new policy, procedure, or new template, he is to follow the following action plan, as outlined below:

: '''Area of opportunity:''' Shane requires assistance in understanding the difference between constructive criticism on his work and a personal attack against his person. Typically, this follows when he's made an action or implemented a system without proposing it to others. Therefore, the change in ''how'' to implement a new idea is needed.
: '''How to achieve successful results:''' An issue brought by both sides is that there is no clear cut method of communicating new ideas. Shane has indicated his belief that people don't comment on his implemented ideas, yet when some time has passed, people start offering critiques on something he believes has the silent support of the community and all its members, including myself. Thus, I am calling for the creation of [[Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank|Think Tank]] that Shane (and others!) are to use to propse his ideas. (To an extent, this Think Tank is an extension of the [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/hangarbay Hangar Bay] I set up for him a couple months ago, where new ideas for the Battlestar Wiki are beta tested before deployment through the site.) For every major idea he has, he is to write a proposal. In his proposals, he is to outline what he would like to do, what his idea will do for the wiki, and how it will affect the wiki's performance, whether negatively or positively. Basically, he is to give a hypothesis ("If we ''do some task'' by adding ''some technical thingamajig'' we will ''get this result''.") as well as how this will be tested (Who will test this? What will they do? Where will this test be conducted? When will this be tested? Why will we use it? How will this be done? etc.)
: After this, the administrators will be solicited to offer their view points and comments. Non-administrators are also highly encouraged to comment, suggest, and contribute to refining the proposed idea. After debating and tweaking an idea, once consensus is achieved, which can -- but not necessarily -- be achieved by straw polling, of a minimum of 80% percent of contributors, the idea should be deployed per the agreement reached in the discussions and debates. There will be a minimum two week period for discussions, which may be altered by consensus in either a reduction or an extension of this default timeline.
: Obviously, if the proposal fails, then it is not implemented. If it is implemented against consensus, it can be deleted or removed without warning.

A failure to abide by this process may lead in blocks not to exceed seven days, after which the thirty day probationary period will be reset.

'''This vote will end ''Monday, July 3, 2006'' at 12:00 A.M. EST.'''

Administrators, please vote below. Also, please indicate on why you voted the way you vote.

:[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]: {{support}} Having read the entirety of this page (with the exception of the rather confusing interlaced bullets above), this seems like the best course of action presented; it should have a reasonable chance of achieving the desired outcomes and is not excessive. --00:25, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
:[[User:Day|Day]]: {{support}} Very nicely written, Joe. We can use the seven days to hammer out any kinks we think of in the Think Tank.
:[[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]]: {{support}}, as originator.
:[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]]: {{support}}. This remedy satisfies all my major concerns.
:[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]]: {{support}}. Since the RFC appears to be going nowhere, this can end it and give us and Shane time to form up the new-work process. I concur with SV's comments. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:28, 26 June 2006 (CDT)
:[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]]:{{support}}. I hope that at the end of this RFC process we recognize the fact that '''there is a problem/conflict''' and that there are '''people trying to figure out a solution'''. This remedy begins as a solution to an individual problem, but I hope that it may evolve into a larger solution. We don't usually have problems with people making sweeping changes, usually not because they have the restraint not to make them, but because they don't have the idea or the iniative for such changes. The thought of a place to propose and discuss major changes appeals to me, and I hope it will be a place that prompts people to start to think outside the box and come up with ideas that may impact more than just one article. It is also important that '''such ideas be discussed, debated, and refined before they are implemented''', since a great deal of effort might be spent implementing those ideas (or reverting them, if the consensus does not agree with them). I think we can come to some sort of compromise whereby the integrity and consistency of the wiki is maintained, but where new and radical ideas can be debated reasonably, and '''if agreed upon''', implemented. The fact that this (RFC) page is growing as large as it has is a testament to the love and care that the people/editors have for this community. The simple/straightforward solution would have been terse calls for an indefinite ban, and that clearly has not happened here. I'm proud of that.

==== Shane's Comment ====

I rather it just start with than have to wait for everyone to vote support because for the next seven days I will not even have a computer starting Tuesday. But if I am reading this correctly, 30 days for after the inital 7 I have to write up reposts and then after 30 days it end or am I going to be doing double duty after 30? If so, I would never agree to having to keep doing this. I would only agree with this and if the Policy was not just for me, but for everyone. Because it can not single out just one person.

I like to also point out that I have withdrawn my [[BW:RFA|RFA]] and for some time now had this new [[User:Shane|user page]] with what I been working on.

*<strike>What about other people major ideas? </strike>
*<strike>What is '''''major'''''? </strike>
*<strike>Is this policy going to be voted on? </strike>
*<strike>What is '''''major''''' and what is not?</strike>
*<strike>What is going to happen in 7 days when I can edit? </strike>
*<strike>Are things going to change without my input if it effects mystyle? Things like the [[Template:Location Data]] could happen without further objections from me.</strike>
*<strike>Is this "'''Think Tank'''" policy going to go ineffect without me having input during these seven days?</strike>
*<strike>What if it's created during the process of prensting? My ideas need a place to work before I can present a live example and the Hanger Bay does not have the full recources of all the types of pages unless we shared datasbases. You don't get better examples than that and my english, as you all know, is not that good. (It's still the only language I know other than computers.)</strike>
*Is there going to be sweeping changes WIKI wide that are going to happen that effect policy that I might object to because I think it might not be in the best entrance. Lets say I start tommorow, and in the seven days, there could be changes that I might not like as a very active contributer?
*If I create a policy, template and it's tagged correctly (i.e. {{tl|Proposed Policy}} and or not implemented) but created here, because the policy is and is like what I am doing and there is no [[technobable]] or a teamplate and in the template itself I explain what it's function is using the <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> along with the examples, and then post it on this "'''Think Tank'''" for comments, is this going to be an infractions?
*Do '''PROJECTS''' count? (i.e. [[BW:NEW]], [[BW:Tem]], [[BW:OC]])

These are criticial questions I ask before anything happens.

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:28, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

==== Answers ====

: Thanks for the questions, Shane. I'd be happy to clarify them.

:*What about other people major ideas?
::Other people's major ideas aren't the issue at present. However, I am going to begin work on the Think Tank and will encourage its use for other members. Right now, this is a plan tailored for this specific situation. Should it grow organically into policy, then that's what shall happen.
::I should also note that this has more to do with the ''implementation and execution'' of ideas, rather than the ideas themselves.
:*What is '''''major'''''?
::You've asked this question later on (with an additional question tagged to it), so I've answered there.
:*Is this policy going to be voted on?
::This isn't policy that will affect the entire wiki. Right now this is a corrective action meant to address the current issues at hand that will be voted upon by the administrators, with outside comments from our contributors so that they may present views and opinions that, perhaps, we haven't considered yet.
::If the "Think Tank" becomes policy by its use (such as a good bulk of our [[BW:SAC|Standards and Conventions]]), then it's just another tool in our toolbox that will be available for our use.
:*What is '''''major''''' and what is not?
::As I've indicated in the proposal, major changes include the creation of new templates, editing and creating new policy proposals, and sweeping changes such as the Main Page and the Portals system. Non major changes, which you may do, are minor edits (grammar fixes, fixing minor errors such as improper syntax, and things of that nature) and the adding of information to articles.
::: ''(I'd feel better if this were less well defined, actually. I feel that Shane has demonstrated a pattern where he wants to know exactly where the "line" is, so that he can stand right up against it. When someone points out that his behavior is unaaceptable, he claims he is following the "letter of the law". I'd rather pay more attention to the spirit with which policies were written and are understood, than having to spell everything out to ensure there are no loop holes. This is not a Battlestar Nomic. I'm not trying to set a trap, I just feel that part of this needs to be about learning to judge this kind of thing for himself. In any case, I think an Admin consensus should have final rule over whether a given change or set of changes is "major". --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 11:19, 26 June 2006 (CDT))
:::: You've made a good point here, Day. Therefore, I agree that consensus is necessary to determine what major is and what major looks like. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:32, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

:*What is going to happen in 7 days when I can edit?
::During the seven days, you are not to edit anything on the wiki or participate in the discussions. Basically, it'll be a vacation, where you can't call the office and check up or comment on what's happening.
::After the seven days, you will be in a thirty day probationary period and will follow the action plan for any major edits. We will designate one or two administrators who are to keep track of your contributions to ensure that the action plan is being followed. (Due to the obvious, April not be assigned to keep track of your contributions; this doesn't mean that they may do so on their own reconnisance.) You may still do minor tweaks.
:*Are things going to change without my input if it effects mystyle? Things like the [[Template:Location Data]] could happen without further objections from me.
::First, I will note that no one owns an article or other contribution to Battlestar Wiki. Everyone's edits and contributions can (and have been) edited mercilessly and redistributed at will. For what I mean, please see [[Wikipedia:WP:OWN|WP:OWN]]. Again, I leave most everything up to the ''community'' to decide, so if they decide that the template needs to be restructured, removed, deployed further, or think that templates should be selectively used based on certain criteria, then that's what shall happen.
:*Is this "'''Think Tank'''" policy going to go ineffect without me having input during these seven days?
::Again, the think tank isn't Wiki-wide policy. Yet. It is meant to address the issues that were brought up during this RFC.
:*What if it's created during the process of prensting? My ideas need a place to work before I can present a live example and the Hanger Bay does not have the full recources of all the types of pages unless we shared datasbases. You don't get better examples than that and my english, as you all know, is not that good. (It's still the only language I know other than computers.)
::We can use the [[Special:Export|export]] and import tools that are given to us by MediaWiki to import any pages or templates you need. I can also open up the Hangar Bay's access to our media repository here at the wiki. As always, if you feel you need some tool, you are free to ask and we can see how and if we can accomodate your requests.

Any additional questions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:34, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

: '''Responding to: ''Is there going to be sweeping changes WIKI wide that are going to happen that effect policy that I might object to because I think it might not be in the best entrance. Lets say I start tommorow, and int he seven days, there could be changes that I might not like as a very active contributer?'''''

: This is more or less a risk you have to take. Again, contributing to Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory -- this ultimately a volunteer effort. Anyone at any time can decide that contributing to the Wiki is no longer desirable. Additionally, part of the issue is that "sweeping changes" without debate is detrimental to a Wiki, hence the Think Tank. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:32, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

: '''Responding to: ''Do '''PROJECTS''' count? (i.e. [[BW:NEW]], [[BW:Tem]], [[BW:OC]])'''''

: The fact that you have to ask this is telling. Any idea so large that it needs a project page to organize is ''very'' clearly large enough to warrant mention on the Think Tank. And, I'd say, mention ''before'' creating said project page. The way I understand it, this is not a place to link things you're working on, but a place for you to outline ideas before beginning work. I remember discussing (on Wiki, of course) whether or not to make a S&C page with April for some time before actually making it. That is, in my mind, exactly the way things should work. In actuality, I felt like I might have been rushing things in making the page when I did, so I immediately asked he most prolific editors (at the time Joe was the only Admin and I was new) I could find for input and guidance. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 23:16, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

==== Outside views and commentary on this proposed action ====

::A "Major idea" would be something affecting a wiki-wide template, policy, or anything relating to something on our Standards and Conventions page. Specifically the templates. I mean if we're figuring out sources and stuff, that's low-level things that can be changed on the fly even though they affect large parts of the wiki. In short, the answer is obvious: things like changes to a "Portals" system, a new front page (both water under the bridge, now I guess), and most pertinently, new templates or changes to old ones. Just based on empirical evidence....I don't think any of us have ever made as "major" changes to templates, in one sitting, as you ever have, and I cannot think of any day to day stuff that would actually require this: the few times in the past everyone else has changed something massive, we brought it up on standards and conventions or whatnot. In short, no, this is not a policy ''per se'', you're a special case. Joe could simply snap, ban you for a week and tell you to hush up, but instead is trying to customize this situation and compromise and give you room to continue to work. ---"affects my style", what? This is not a policy, only administrators are voting, and I'm just putting in my two cents. But frankly it doesn't need to be a Policy, you're really the only person we're holding this out for. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:11, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

::From an outside view, I think that Joe's proposal is fair. What is needed right now is a break for everyone. It would show me a lot if Shane voluntarily takes a week off. I think that the Think Tank idea is great and is generally needed, NOT just for Shane. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 08:04, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

=== Final Response ===

Has anyone ever watch [[Wikipedia:Pleasantville (film)|Pleasantville]]? I feel like this is happening to me and a few other people who decided. Bud fights the rules because he don't beleive in them. This lands him jail. The point is that you guys have treated me not as an equal because I am not an admin or see things differenlty from you does that mean. Put yourself in my shoes. How do you think I feel? Would you want to be the one alone to see your point? You debate. None of April's "points" indicate bad debating? Just for "judgement" of trying to improve the wiki I get critized and insulted. Take stuff at face value. Don't see it as harm otherwise you start to see, like the Mayor stared doing because you just don't know what it is or what to make of it yet. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:48, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

: Shane. It dissapoints me to say this, but I am going to be blunt. I think you are lying. By this, I mean that you are intnentionally misrepresenting events. Now, I could be wrong, and I invite you to prove it. The word, specifically, that I take issue with is "insulted" above. Please provide a link to a page history, talk page, talk archive, etc. on this Wiki where you have been insulted for edits you have made. Gmail chat quotes are invalid as they cannot be corroborated. Please try to restrain your response as specifically as possible to this ''very'' narrow topic. I do not wish to have a rambling debate where this issue gets lost. That goes for anyone else who responds to this thread. This page already risks losing focus. In the case that an example you provide, Shane, is a page with much text on it, an out-of-context quote would be very helpful, as well as a link. That way, we can all use our browser's find function to track down the full passage. Thank you. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 21:44, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

===Discussion===
*Per Shane's request, I have restored my initial RFC from some months ago [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane (old)|here]]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:46, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

* Merv, I understand that you disagree with the need for this, but I really think Shane's behavior has gone on far too long and reached levels far too egregious for us to continue to ignore it. The administrative responses available to us are limited, and our only real enforcement mechanism is temporary blocks. I therefore suggest the following:
**A one-week block in response to the issues cited above, and
**Following that, a one-month probationary period during which that block may be reinstated with the consensus of a majority of administrators. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:46, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
***I wanted to be moderate and understanding, but after I read Shane's "Response" (I'll make a commentary on his response in "outside views", I think that's the spot for it?) I now support the one week warning ban and subsequent one month probation period for Shane, along with you and Spencerian. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:02, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
*I would hate to see ''this'' enforced, and then Joe come along and remove it. That would be a real shame that the real owner of this site that we all use for the purpose of providing information does not see this as a real solution. As anyone tried to communicate to Joe? When I can't handle stuff with other admins, I talk to the person who has the real power, and that has been Joe. But I rather walk off than be banned. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:13, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:Again, rather than try to act maturely about this and try to compromise or reform and we've given you like 3 opportunities now, you keep coming back with another reply snapping back at all of us; for god's sake you're digging yourself a deeper grave and we're trying to help by POINTING OUT the problem: are we calling for outright permanent banning or something? No. Just stern warnings. And time after time you just refuse to come back to the table. It's not the initial problems that made me want to favor a warning one week ban: it's the defiant refusal to acknowledge that the Administrators are acting in the best interest of BattlestarWiki. Dammit, I hate when Olive branches of peace or at least avenues at getting back into good graces are just thrown away....but one of our central complaints is that you don't listen to the group, you just up and do things and then demand that you have the right to. Even I try and boldly spearhead some things, the difference is A) the constant level that you do it at B) I STOP when people are upset with things, and try to COMPROMISE. -------------------------->I tried giving you chances at appology and FRAK I even opposed doing this at first, but I'm bringing up a temporary one week warning ban for Shane as a proposal on the Administrator noticeboard. If Shane "leaves" in protest, that's one of the MOST imature things to do and even more evidence that he is unfit to be here and play well with others: and if he stops coming, and then after 6 months of abscence comes BACK, how does that in any way let us know that his actual BEHAVIOR has changed? It doesn't. If Shane leaves in the middle of this arguement it's the equivalent of jumping a state line and laughing at your prosecutors. If he does that, the most immature thing I can think of in such a situation, he should be banned ''in absentia''. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 16:54, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::All I seen is "ban". I don't see any suggestions. I am posting my respones to what people write to defend myself. I have even '''tried''' in the past few contribs to be "Correct". Me and April were battleing over "[[BW:CITE]]" on one of the articles. A "ban" does not change me nor options. You are saying I want you to do it more "auguementive" that most people. I am not the one who posted something ont he SciFi boards making fun of someone. At least I say it outloud. And reposting it on BSG is not an excuess. You see where my anger comes at? You have never appologized EVEN to me. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:14, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

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== Can We compare Adama to President George....Washington? :) ==

I was reading the quote from Eick, "...Adama begins to believe that on some level he might have been responsible for provoking the Cylon attack on the Twelve Colonies." and for some reason I felt that thie reminded me of Gorge Washington long before we was president or even commander-in-chief when, before the 7-Years-War, Washington was involved in a skirmish with the French over Fort Necessity, aka Pittsburgh (yes, we fought a battle for that city) that led to Washington signing a treaty stating, unbeknownst to him because he couldn't speak French and his interpreter sucked, that he committed attrocities against France in the name of the British Empire. This, according to many historians, led to the 7 Years War, known in America as the French and Indian War, that would decimate Northern Germany. I'm sure Washington at some level had to be aware of this error on his part and led him to remorse I imagine. Anyways, the story is different but I was wondering how many parallels there will be, if there will be, in this episode to Washington's conundrum. I wanted to ask a question on the article page but couldn't concise it enough for wiki standards. I may ask on the scifi bboard but input on this would be appreciated before I do. --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 19:42, 3 August 2006 (PST)
:That's an interesting analogy, showing a fine attention to historical detail. I think the parallel has minor flaws, though, since Washington's conduct in that matter isn't generally considered morally wrong so much as foolish. [[Wikipedia:Gavrilo Princip|Gavrilo Princip]] might be worth considering as a parallel; he was the immediate but not ultimate cause of a devastating war, and he precipitated the conflict by attacking his fellow countryman, thinking it justified in contrast to the general consensus. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 02:28, 4 August 2006 (CDT)

:: It's unlikely that Adama's actions are quite the transgression that he believes it to be; after all, the [[cylon agent|Cylons had been violating the armistice line]] for about a half a year prior to Adama's, anyway.[[User:TaKometer|TaKometer]] 02:09, 18 November 2006 (CST)

::: I was wondering about the timeline as well. I think Adama says somthing like, the mission was a year before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]], but the cylons had been planning the attack for two years. However, I think there is an error in the timeline. Adama also says he served with Boomer for two years, and I think he implied that it was on Galactica. Gaeta also says that he served with Adama for three years. It is possible that Gaeta was on the Valkyrie for a year, but I think the mission happened about two years before the attack, not just one. I will rewatch the episode, but do you have any ideas? [[User:Jrmurph|Jrmurph]] 12:21, 18 November 2006 (EST)
:::: I think there is an inconsistency in the story. It is not unexplainable, ie Gaeta and Boomer served with Adama on the Valkyrie, but it did seem like nobody other than Adama or Tigh recognized Bulldog so the timeline is a little esquew. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:01, 18 November 2006 (CST)

Does anybody think it's strange that Adama believes it better to fire a weapon ACROSS the Armistice Line, INTO Cylon space, as opposed to allowing Novacek's ship to be discovered? A ship that close to the line could easily have been explained away as having strayed off course... but an offensive weapon fired into their space? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 01:54, 25 November 2006 (CST)

== Another Battlestar? ==

There is a spoiler image showing Adm Adama and Col Tigh in the CIC of the Battlestar Valkerie. I zoomed in on Adama and saw he had his Admiral's pins on. Might this be a sign that they soon will find yet another Battlestar? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:24, 15 November 2006 (CST)
: It's a flashback scene. It may be more of a costuming error. Note that Tigh still has his eye in that promo shot. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 01:39, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:: Right. Two eyed Tigh. Darn. I was hoping they'd find another Battlestar cause I do miss the Pegasus. It was bigger, much cooler and the doors made this cool "beep" when they opened. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:50, 15 November 2006 (CST)
:::You can visit [[Valkyrie]] as well. It's a spoiler until Friday but you can adjust it with some new data later. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:36, 15 November 2006 (CST)
::::It's true, I saw the Admiral pips as well, the flashback should have been Commander pips; as the Stealth ship incident occurred three years ago. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 22:56, 17 November 2006 (CST)
: The Valkerie looked to be a Mercury class Battlestar. This would make sense because the galactica class was an older ship and has been all but replaced with the newer bigger and more efficent Mercury class.--[[User:Mike|Mike]] 09:30, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::It's definately not a Mercury, the only part really similar is the engine block. If anything, it looked most like a reimagining of the original series battlestar, down to the rectangular opening in the flightpod and the angular head. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:47, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::Inside it looks like a Mercury yes. That's a sign of its age. But outside, it's far smaller than a full-sized battlestar. Look at the gun battery on the top. There's only one and almost covers the width of the ship there. See the Valkyrie page for more details (where this discussion should take place), but I think it's basically a smaller battlestar meant for support duties. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:52, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:: Not disagreeing with your main point, but its quite possible that there were far more Battlestar classes than just the "Cylon War Type" and the Mecurcy class, given that the colonies built up a fleet of arround 120 Battlestars over about 50 years, particularly as the Viper apparently went through 5 different itterations over this time, although we are likely never going to see the intervening versions of either type --[[User:Useless|Useless]] 09:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== Barry Kennedy as Admiral Corman ==

Hey all, I was just checking on Barry Kennedy's link, and it links to an IMDB page other than his profile page detailing his filmography, and etc. [[User:SimsHsia|SimsHsia]] 23:52, 17 November 2006 (CST)
:That's because some people keep forgeting the "nm" when entering imdb numbers and in that case the link default to title instead of actor --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:53, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== The Stealth-Star ==

hey i just noticed this but the name of the ship was the stealth star so someone(not me)should create it a page. Best Snorkel378
:Already done [[Stealth Star]]. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 09:41, 18 November 2006 (CST)

== The scene with Baltar, Six and Three in bed ==

it says on there that 3 is having a sexual realationship with baltar and six?
Cylons arent lesbos i think they were having a 3some {{unsigned|Snorkel378}}
:You are assuming that the Six we see is Caprica-Six and not Baltar's internal Six. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 20:49, 18 November 2006 (CST)
::It would be an odd choice cinematically to have Three wake up from a dream and show us something from inside Baltar's head. {{unsigned|Wldkt1}}
:::Please remembe rto sign your posts on talk pages guys <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:05, 19 November 2006 (CST)
The fact that Baltar and Six are in a 'clutch' position makes it unlikely that it's his internal Six. Three would have noticed Baltar trying to hug thin air in his sleep. Baltar is also in the center of the bed, rather than on one side. In addition, Caprica seems to be aware of (and approves) Three's new interest in Baltar. Regarding the possibility of a relationship between Three and Six: that is only speculation, but just because we haven't seen a lesbian relationship between cylons doesn't mean one isn't possible.[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 22:18, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:It could be that Caprica-Six sees this as a way to weaken Baltar--after all, the formula for getting Baltar to give up secrets seems pretty clear: get in his bed, get in his head, so to speak. Remember that during the torture in previous episodes, he said to Three, "I love you with all of my heart." That's what started the relationship, so I think Three is interested in Baltar for whatever reason, not necessarily Six. Plus, on a more humorous note...I have to wonder if the Cylons have any sexual relations amongst themselves at all. This could be one deprived Cylon... [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:24, 20 November 2006 (CST)
Speculation on Cylon sexual orientation aside, I think we all can agree that Baltar is one lucky sonofabitch. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 05:28, 21 November 2006 (CST)
:weell, if put aside the whole electro-shock thing and the drilling in the ear thing. Face it, Baltar had to work hard for that threesome.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 09:47, 21 November 2006 (CST)
::Well, yes, he did work hard for it, but doesn't everyone work hard for a threesome? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:53, 21 November 2006 (CST)
A threesome with Six and Three would be cool, but personally, I think a threesome with two Eights would be awesome, and far better. But that's because the Eights are my favorites [[User:NickScryer|NickScryer]] 22:02, 21 November 2006 (CST)
:Personally, I find Lucy Lawless and Tricia Helfer to be hotter than Grace Park. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:50, 22 November 2006 (CST)

Everyone I am so sorry to bring this up cause we changed the subject badly- Snorkel378

== The Black Ops Mission ==

Does anyone think that the entire mission was poorly concieved? First, the Colonials jump a Battlestar to very close range of the armistice line, which one would expect to attract attention in and of itself. Second, we see the ''Valkyrie'' track the S-Star after launch and over the line. This either means the Valkyrie tracked it directly on DRADIS, which indicates it's not much of a stealth ship and that the Cylons should be able to detect it as well, or the S-Star has some sort of transponder reporting its position, which is also something the Cylons should detect. Finally, as referenced in the main article, the S-Star maintains radio contact with the ''Valkyrie'' throughout the whole mission, again something the Cylons should be able to detect. Would the writers have really overlooked all this, or are we meant to conclude that the Admriality meant for the mission to have been discovered by the Cylons? --[[User:Cleophus|Cleophus]] 22:55, 18 November 2006 (CST)

:-The mission is quite similar to the United States' U2 overflights during the late 1950's and 60's. Certain similarities between the depicted incident and the [[:wikipedia:U-2 Crisis of 1960|incident involving Francis Gary Powers]] can be read. It also conjures up several dozen observation flights by aircraft such as specially outfitted C-130's flying perilously close to a boundary line — even going so far as to slip a wingtip across it to "call a bluff". Also, there's the incident involving the Chinese Gai-8 fighter and the US P-3 Orion.
:In the case of our Colonials here, the stealth craft is more than likely equipped with an "odd frequency" (either very low or very high), encrypted transponder that transmits on a specific wavelength, only for IFF purposes. If I recall correctly, F-117 Nighthawks can still use their radios when on ops (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I suspect that this mission was proposed in order to get a glimpse into ''any'' Cylon activity. The stealth craft would be dangled out as a tiny bit of bait – just enough to get a response. Its stealth characteristics would increase its ability to dash back across the Armistice Line untracked and unaffected, and then ''Valkyrie'' would be able to observe and record the arriving Cylons. If questions were raised ("What are you doing here?" ... "Good question, what are ''you'' doing here?" ... "We detected you over the Armistice Line." ... "Who, us? Noooo... We've been on our side this whole time, just trolling about, watching over our miners over there on that moon there. So why are you here again? You don't mind if we take some photos of you while you're here, do you?"), the Colonials would feign ignorance and innocence, but they'd at least have a response... something that the Cylons haven't even projected in thirty-plus years. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:--Is it possible that the Stealth Star was shot down by a Colonial Force in hopes that it would percipitate a conflict? Similar to the Gulf of Tonkin? This way the Colonials can say one of their ships got lost and was destroyed by the Cylons in cold blood (Or something along those lines). Also, it makes no sense a ship would jump in, shoot the S-Star, and jump out. Why wouldnt it commit to killin the S-Star? --[[User:Skrip00|Skrip00]] 16:31, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:: Perhaps. We don't know either way. To be honest, after some seriously critical thought about it on my part, there's really not much of it that makes sense, since it was poorly explained in the episode. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:55, 20 November 2006 (CST)

== Folks in White Robes ==

Aren't there five white-robed figures in Number Three's vision? It's pretty speculative, but maybe these are meant to represent the five missing Cylon models (maybe they've undergone some kind of transcendence, and are "with God now" or something). Maybe the article should note this (after all, the white-robes show up for the first time just a couple episodes after we first learn that there's definitely something different or mysterious about the five missing models), though I don't know the proper section for it. {{unsigned|Steve}}

:- I noticed that too, but was going to "acquire" the episode and re-watch that part, or watch it again on Monday to see... I _think_ there are five humanoid figures in white robes, kneeling or seated in that semi-circle when Three walks amongst them. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:Three's in the opera house on Kobol where Baltar's internal Six shows him Hera's cradle; I believe those are the same white drapes that can be seen on the opera house stage in [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 11:38, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::Well I agree she's in the opera house from KLG, but I don't think I'm referring to the drapes. In the initial shot of the opera house, there seem to be five glowing figures standing between the six white drapes. Some of the quick shots of the opera house that follow show these figures, and some do not (as though they are alternately hiding and revealing themselves). At the end of her experience, Three approaches and reaches out to one of these figures just before she is resurrected. --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 02:50, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::Sorry, you're right. I watched the episode again and noticed them. (Don't know why I missed them the first time, I was watching on a huge HDTV then!) I have a feeling that in the next few episodes, Three is going to keep having "accidental" deaths, and we'll see these figure again. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 20:26, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::: Here's an iTunes [[:Image:3x8-Hero-MaybeTheLast5Cylons.jpg | screencap]]. 5 remaining cylons, 5 robed figures. Hmmmmm... --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 22:12, 24 November 2006 (CST)

:::::I just see some friggin' glowing blobs. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:55, 28 November 2006 (CST)

::::::That was my initial reaction too, but right at the end of that extra-life experience [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=210&pos=646 she approaches one of them]. So I think they really may be "figures". --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:46, 28 November 2006 (CST)

:::::::Ah. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:27, 29 November 2006 (CST)

== Reference to Raising Arizona? ==

I'm new here, so I didn't want to jump right into the thick of things by adding this to the main page before running it by other people...when Adama and Novacek are sitting down for the first time, Adama asks him something like "How did you escape, Bulldog?". Novacek rambles for a little bit (again, I don't remember exact words) but wraps up with "I felt the facility no longer had anything to offer me...". If I'm not mistaken, this is a reference to Raising Arizona--John Goodman's character says just about the exact same thing after he breaks out of prison. I can't seem to find the line on IMDB or Wikiquote, though... {{unsigned|MikeDanger}}
:Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 07:08, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:As far as I remember "Raising Arizona", the dialogue goes like this: 
:''- You busted outta jail?'' 
:''- No, ma'am. We released ourselves on our own recognizance.'' 
:''- What Evelle is tryin' to say is we felt the institution no longer had anything to offer us.'' -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 08:28, 19 November 2006 (CST)

== Insight into Cylon plan ==

If the Cylons know where the Colonials are, or at least know well enough to send Bulldog at them, it's common sense to ask, why don't they just attack? Well, maybe their goal isn't to destroy Galactica et al outright but something more complex. One thing that does seem consistent with their plan is their desire to kill Adama, perhaps because they want to send the fleet into disarray without him at the top. Examples: Leoben telling Roslin that Adama's a Cylon in Flesh and Blood, Boomer shooting Adama repeatedly in Kobol's Last Gleaming Pt. II. There may be more examples that I can't think of right now.

People have been crying out "plot hole!" with reckless abandon in light of Bulldog's ability to pinpoint Galactica's position, but if the Cylon plan really is as simple as ''kill all humans,'' as these detractors might claim, then much of the show falls apart. The reality is, we don't really know the Cylon plan, and at this point, there's really no reason to jump to the conclusion that the writers are just too lazy to think of one. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 18:22, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:The Cylons might know full well where the Colonials are but if they jumped in a couple of Basestars then the fleet would zip out of there pretty sharpish and might go somewhere where the Cylons dont know and they will have to find them all over again. IMO, their plan is a long game. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 19:17, 19 November 2006 (CST)
:IMHO, "Hero" is the weakest episode of the series yet. There's just too many logic errors for me to dismiss as part of the "suspension of disbelief" process. For instance, how does Bulldog have the time to learn how to pilot a Cylon raider, when Starbuck took hours to figure out how to operate the thing? Also, how would Bulldog be able to operate the FTL drive -- Kobol's Last Gleaming pretty much made it clear that the FTL drive needed an actual computer, given that the brain had to be ripped out in order for it to be piloted manually. But that's another not so fine mess.
: As for the Cylon plans, well, they're clearly compliated and seem to be changing since the attack. Whether or not this is by design has yet to be detrmined, though I sincerely doubt that the writer's have this thing all planned out a la ''Babylon 5''. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:30, 19 November 2006 (CST)

::Yeah, I know what you're saying. I also doubt it's all planned out B5-style (hasn't Ron basically said something to that effect anyway, like how much they enjoy making it up as they go along?), but that doesn't mean it necessarily can't all add up in the end, and we should assume that they ''do'' know what they are doing until they are proven wrong.

::Also, a lot of people have been talking about how unrealistic it is for Bulldog to have learned how to operate the raider in such a short time. I'm not trying to start an arguement about this, but I don't actually remember them saying that he had only a short time to learn how to use the raider. Are you guys just assuming that he had to learn it all quickly based on the rushed nature of his escape? Is there a reason he couldn't have actually had a few hours to do it? I mean, if they let him escape, then he could have been in the basestar hangar for hours trying to work the controls while they watched (and snickered) from behind the glass. --[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 23:59, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:I agree that a lot of people have seemed predisposed to cry foul lately--I can understand how the scientific goofs in "A Measure of Salvation" could've set people on edge--but I do think it's possible that if the Cylons are operating under a religious motivation, that their plan does go beyond a simple "kill all humans" approach. They may see the need to exact specific steps of revenge/torture against humanity, perhaps a particular punishment for each perceived offense. That's just one possibility, but it could well be they have the death of a thousand cuts in mind for the remnants of humanity. I think Drumstick's probably on to something here. Or you know, if they wanted Bulldog to escape, they could have trained a Raider (which wasn't injured like Starbuck's) to understand and obey his commands or even set it up with an interface that a human could use. Until we see proof or disproof of all the different theories, I think it's too early to try to claim BsG has jumped the shark or anything similar. I also have to wonder if anybody here has writing experience with writing a full-length work. I am working on my first novel, and keeping total, perfect consistency is not easy and while I tend to get the big things right, I am still finding a lot of subtle things that need tweaking, and this despite my best efforts. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:17, 20 November 2006 (CST)
:As an aside wrt the Cylon plan, Browndog's question from the Episode page:
::''Does the fact that Adama was potentialy responsible for starting the war explain why Galactica was important enougth to have 2 out of 12 human cylons on board during the start of the mini-series??--Browndog 14:17, 23 November 2006 (CST)''
:I think that it's plausable considering the roles that Boomer and Doral were playing at the time that their both being on Galactica at the time of the Attack is simply a coincidence. Short of conspiracy within the Fellt Boomer is asigned where she's needed, and Doral's position as a civil servant would have been a good cover for a Cylon spy.--[[User:Whytwolf|Whyte Wolf]] 20:01, 23 November 2006 (CST)
Hey maybe they think that if adama is dead the fleet will destroy itself or get into a civil war cus that almost happened when tigh was in command and the Cylons may think he is still XO. Best Snorkel378

I agree with the English version of Snorkel378's comment: the Cylons obviously planned for Bulldog to kill Adama. This would give them the distraction they need to make a battle last longer than the FTL spinup time, and put a less capable officer in command of Galactica. [[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:21, 28 November 2006 (CST)

== Possible Discontinuity ==

According to the episode, Adama and friends served on the Valkyrie a year before the attacks. This implies that Adama was only commander of the Galactica for a year before the miniseries. Yet on the Kara Thrace article, it states that Thrace "resigned from flight school as a instructor and transferred as an operational pilot aboard battlestar Galactica under the command of William Adama, where she served for some '''two years prior to the Cylon attack''' on the Twelve Colonies." They can't both be right.

Also, from the Tyrol article: "He served aboard battlestars from the age of eighteen, including Columbia, Atlantia, and Pegasus (Resistance). He has served under William Adama on Galactica for five years (Litmus)." If he served under Adama for 5 years, why didn't he mention the Valkyrie when he was being intimidated by Tigh in Resistance? This could be simply because Tigh would have known that.--[[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 22:16, 19 November 2006 (CST)

:No, your first impulse is correct - it's quite certainly an error.
:'''Gaeta:''' And... may I take this opportunity to say that it's been both a pleasure and an honour to serve under you [Adama], these past three years. ([[Miniseries]])
:'''Adama:''' We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well. ([[Act of Contrition]])
:'''Adama:''' She [Valerii] was more than that to us. She was more than that to me. She was a vital, living person... aboard my ship for almost two years. She couldn’t have been just a machine. Could you love a machine? ([[The Farm]])
:Also, note that the timeline in Adama's dossier (which seems to be accurate based on other data points) puts his transfer to ''Galactica'' at six years prior to the miniseries.
:--[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:48, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::It is quite possible that this is not an error ''per se''. Adama and some of his command staff could easily have been assigned to the more modern Valkyrie from Galactica for the mission. It wouldn't make much sense to send "the bucket" on a stealth mission anyway. Notice Valkyrie seemed smaller and was probably more modernized, which would make it all the better for that type of mission. So Adama could easily have been in command of Galactica for several years prior, been offered command of Valkyrie as a reward, for career advancement or just for the mission... and have been pushed back to Galactica when the mission failed. Certainly the plan to decommission Galactica was in the works for some time, and they would not want one of their good commanders to retire with the ship... until after the mission where he failed. None of the characters would be expected to say "I served under Adama for some years, and some other guy for a couple of months, then Adama again." They would just say they served with him for X number of years. If we compare to the modern US Navy, this sort of thing is not all the uncommon.--[[User:Xealot|Xealot]] 10:22, 20 November 2006 (CST)
:::The dossier's progression from XO of ''Columbia'' to Commander of ''Valkyrie'' to Commander of ''Galactica'' seems to indicate that ''Valkyrie'' was his first battlestar command. Though I agree that the serve under "X years" would fly if they stayed under him. It's just the "this ship"'s that start biting them. (When they specify the ship instead of the command.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:53, 20 November 2006 (CST)

::It's really embarassing in continuity. If they had put the entire affair a few years further into the past, it would have made much more sense not only in Adamas biography, but also in the overall plot. Boomer served on ''Galactica'' for two years and probably spend some additional time at flight school, so Adama must know the Cylon infiltration started long before the Stealth-Star incident. This should really get Adama to ask himself how long the attack had been planned, though he might convince himself that the Cylons put their infiltrators in place just as a precaution and his actions led to their decision to actually use them. A few years more time between the attack and the incident would put the estimated start of Cylon infiltration (which actually could be anywhere between 2 and 20 years before the attack) around the same time, giving Adama a far more powerful reason to believe that he started it right there. I would like to think that putting the incident one year before attack was just an accident, but then it would probably become even more difficult to explain how Bulldog survived that long.

::Another point that's problematic: did ''Valkyrie'' have an integrated computer-network? Up to this episode all information we had suggested that all battlestars save ''Galactica'' had them and that it was Adamas position of ''no network on my ship'' that prevented an upgrade.

::*If ''Valkyrie'' had a network Adamas politics of ''it's all hand on here'' are somewhat harder to believe. Up to now it looked like the position of a war-veteran who opposed networks on principle, this is harder to believe if he already commanded a ship with such a network.

::*If there was no network on ''Valkyrie'', then why wasn't there one? It appears extremely unlikely that the networks were all installed in the time between the incident and the attack, though the decision cannot have been made to long before Adama took command of ''Galactica'', because the previous commander would probably have had it installed. And given that it must have been a major decision to put networks on battlestars once more it's hard to believe that the Admirality would allow commanders to pull the plug on it as they see fit. I can imagine Adamas opposition being tolerated on ''Galactica'', because it was an old battlestar nearing it's decommissioning with a design that may have been especially hard to upgrade (regardless of Gaetas patchwork in [[Scattered]]). They could have simply decided that it was not worth the effort to force Adama to accept the upgrade. But that would be hard to believe for ''Valkyrie'', if you are sending a battlestar on such a sensitive mission you want it at maximum performance. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 14:49, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:::The network thing isn't hugely problematic. We have no notion of how old ''Valkyrie'' was. ''Atlantia'' was at least 17 years old at the time of the attack (based on Adama's dossier), and was still worthy to serve as Nagala's flagship in the Miniseries. ''Galactica'' was even older. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:44, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:Adama's dossier may or may not help matters. If the screencap interpretation in the article is correct, then it is currently 21356 - based on the 45th anniversary of Adama's commissioning - which is consistent with what we know about Colonial Day and the Armistice. Therefore the Fall of the Colonies occurred in 21354, and that means the Valkyrie incident occurred in 21353 or thereabouts. However, the dossier goes on to state that Adama took command of Valkyrie in 21345, and Galactica in 21348. If the dossier is correct, then the Valkyrie incident had to take place in 21347 or 21348...which means that Adama's "graceful retirement" lasted for 6 years until the Fall. If this timeline is correct, then it basically blows all the dialogue in this episode out of the water, but validates everything we've seen and heard in the first two seasons. Of course, this is all contingent on the dossier being correctly interpreted - and I personally cannot make out the last two dates on screen. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 19:55, 21 November 2006 (CST)

::That was the conclusion we came to above. The Dossier is [[:image:dossier.png|entirely legible]] and is visible on screen for over sixty frames. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:31, 21 November 2006 (CST)

:::I missed that part. That image is a lot clearer than the screenshot I had, as well. --[[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 10:24, 22 November 2006 (CST)

== Cylon detector problems ==

There's some inconsistency with the "Cylon Detector" that Doc Cottle used to determine that Bulldog was a human. First of all, if you look at the screen caps, [http://galacticabbs.com/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=si&img=56612|like this one], you can see that the screen says "-RESULTS NEGATIVE-" If he was testing the DNA against their military records, it should say "-RESULTS POSITIVE-" If it's negative, the DNA doesn't match. That, or it's supposed to be a Cylon Detector, and it's saying that he's not a Cylon. It seems like it could be a simple goof between dialogue and props.

However, going along with the DNA reasoning... that doesn't necessarily prove anything, does it? If they tested Boomer's DNA against the DNA they have on record for her, I assume it's going to match, since they probably took Cylon DNA initially. Who's to say that the same thing didn't happen to Bulldog? In that case, his DNA would match, but he'd be a Cylon. Seems like a poor determiner of race, that's all. I don't think that he's necessarily a Cylon, just that this is another "oops."

--It might prove something...if the Colonials have DNA records going all the way back to a person's birth. If they're matching against that kind of original record (heck, maybe they even have the parents' records, too), then that may well constitute proof. [[User:Rose Immortal|Rose Immortal]] 13:06, 20 November 2006 (CST)

:Did you think that maybe the "-RESULTS NEGATIVE-" bit came from searching for cylon synthetic particles? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:40, 27 November 2006 (CST)

::Also, remember that the Cylon detector is still set up to read "green" (human) for all results. I think it's safe to say that Bulldog ''isn't'' a Cylon, but I'm wondering when the crew will figure that out. It's purely speculation but, given that Gaeta seems to have taken over Baltar's lab, he may discover the setup in the near future. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 10:16, 27 November 2006 (CST)

:I think the Colonials had (and still have) DNA records of everyone who ever served in the military (keeping records of absolutely everyone may have been considered too invasive on people's privacy). Bulldog was already a highly skilled pilot when Adama asked him for the Valryrie's mission, so he definitely joined way before the Cylon infiltration. The fact that his DNA matches to the sample taken around five years ago, proves he's not a Cylon. It should indeed have read "Result Positive", though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:37, 12 January 2007 (CST)
::No, because it was the Cylon detector that read "Result Negative". As for the detector being set up to read negative for every result, I doubt it. The dialogue at the end of Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down indicates that the detector hasn't been tampered with but Baltar would lie about any positive result. Otherwise it makes no sense for Six to have asked, "So, what did her test really say?" -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:19, 12 January 2007 (CST)
:::I don't remember the episode very clearly (I'll watch it again tomorrow, then), but I remember Cottle saying something along the lines of:
::::"Well, the conspiracy theorists are gonna be disappointed. We checked your DNA against the military records, and it matches. So you're not a Cylon."
:::This supports my point that the test actually ''does'' prove Bulldog isn't a Cylon (in response to Rose Immortal above). "Result Negative" may very well have been the Cylon detector, again, I don't remember the episode that vividly, I'll watch it again. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 13:31, 12 January 2007 (CST)

== Moved content ==

Folks, stuff like this needs to be removed (or reworded) on sight. Right now, this document reads a bit like it's arguing with itself. Before adding content that seems to contradict itself, please discuss it on the talk page -- that's what this feature is for.

Below, here's what I've removed thus far from the article that contradicts itself. Stuff like this, ''again'', must be hashed out on talk pages before entering the main article space. Thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:52, 20 November 2006 (CST)

=== Removed content ===

*[[Dualla]] apparently served on the Valkyrie; she can be seen in the background standing behind Adama and Tigh in the flashback scenes.
**That person in the scene is most likley not Dualla; it's not easy to see because the flashback-scenes in the CIC have (deliberatly) not the best quality.

== Adama's Dossier ==

I feel that the dossier info should be moved to its own article. It really isn't a "standard" part of an episode article. Or if there is enough room for it in [[William Adama]], maybe move it to that article. A lot of room dedicated to what is pretty much a sidenote for the events that occur in the episode itself. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:17, 24 November 2006 (CST)
: I agree. The best place for it is in the [[William Adama]] article, in my view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:03, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:: How about putting the dossier info in [[William Adama]] and the details of the analysis about dates into [[Timeline (RDM)]]? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:13, 25 November 2006 (CST)
::: Great idea! I'm for it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:51, 25 November 2006 (CST)

== Bullsh*t ==

In the iTunes download, Adama said "bullshit attitude" to Bulldog. In the SciFi version, it was bleeped out, was it not?
:What time count? I'll check --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:28, 24 November 2006 (CST)
::It was definately bleeped out in the SciFi broadcast. I noticed it while watching it last week. It's when Adama is talking with Bulldog shortly after he is rescued from the Cylons. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 13:59, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:::It survived the Canadian broadcast on SPACE. I remember I smiled when I heard it and thought "how the hell did they get away with that in the states?" For some reason anything short of fuck coasts by unedited on Canadian basic cable. -- [[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 19:52, 24 November 2006 (CST)
:::: I'm Canadian and I should probably know more about this than I do, but a friend who worked in broadcasting for years told me it was because the CRTC goes by a complaint system for censoring profanity, whereas the FCC actively polices the American airwaves. One Vancouver TV station aired the South Park movie uncut and unbleeped last Canada Day (at around 3 in the morning). --[[User:Steve|Steve]] 06:33, 25 November 2006 (CST)
::::: Considering that [[w:CityTV|CityTV]] airs softcore porn every friday night at 1:30am, I'm really not surprised. They've also started broadcasting ''Battlestar'' reruns recently. ;) --[[User:Kahran|Kahran]] 03:49, 30 November 2006 (CST)
:Yeah, the bullshit was bleeped out. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:54, 24 November 2006 (CST)
::The thing I've never gotten is, we have other shows here with all sorts of colorful language, short of f***. So why the edit? These clueless mofos need to get one (a clue). This is the way people talk. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 14:27, 25 November 2006 (CST)
:::Its unlikely to be bleeped out when it airs in the UK :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:38, 29 November 2006 (CST)
::Joe, is there a Wiki policy on profanities? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 15:09, 29 November 2006 (CST)
:::We don't have a written policy on profanity specifically, short of the [[BW:CIVIL]]. For instance, it is acceptable to use the word "fuck" in the article on "[[frak]]" because of the obvious correlation. On the other hand, it is unacceptable to tell a contributor to go "frak themselves and their little dog too". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:28, 30 November 2006 (CST)

Its the same way on myspace Snorkel378

== Three's Opera house Scene ==

I was wondering if someone could elucidate their theories a little further on Three's opera house scene. The comments on this article seem to suggest that Three had never seen the opera house before. However, on first viewing the episode it seemed to me that she was ''trying'' to get there. Isn't that the reason she asked the centurion to kill her in the first place? (If not, what's her motivation for doing so when she ''knows'' that she will resurrect -- she's not escaping anything!) And her comments directly after she wakes up in the resurrection chamber seem to suggest that she doesn't need time to "process" what she's seen -- she's more confirming that yes, there is something there. i.e.- I've seen it before, I wasn't sure of what I was seeing, but now I ''know'' what I'm seeing and I want to tell the others about it.

Did anyone else interpret it this way? Or just me? --[[User:Wolf530|Wolf530]] 10:08, 25 November 2006 (CST)

:I think that her dreams pushed her into it. However, I don't think that she knew exactly what. My theory using spoilers and rumors (major fanwanking):

It has been hinted by RDM and Eick that an entire model will be boxed. Another rumor is that the remaining five have been boxed. Five figures were shown in white robes. Maybe the remaining models were boxed because they started doing what Three is doing now. Committing suicide to find the mystery that plagues their dreams.
:--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:06, 25 November 2006 (CST)
did anyone see left side one of five figures has a neckless or medal--[[User:mustah|mustah]]
::I'll try to remember to put a podcast citation "hook" in the transcript around the part where he mentions the five figures for the note April just added. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:18, 1 December 2006 (CST)

Here's a screencap. As you can see, they're pure white silhouettes. - no black eyes or necklaces or other decorations.
[[Image:Five figures.jpg]]
--[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:27, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== No Definitive Proof of "Cylon" (removed Question) ==

I removed this question- 
''*Why did the Cylons have one craft jump in and fire on the stealth star and then jump out, then sending two more ships to finish the attack?''
... and replaced it with this question- 
''*Just what exactly was the "Unknown" craft that jumped near Stealth-Star, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?''

By reviewing the sequence and examining both the DRADIS screen and character dialog, there is no ''definitive'' proof that the first craft detected, that damages Stealth-Star (whether by weapon or collision), is a Cylon. It is tagged as '''"UNKNOWN"''', and remains as such through the entirety of the sequence. The next two contacts are tagged as '''"UNKNOWN"''' as well, but we can ''deduce'' (notice, I don't use the word ''assume'') that these are Cylons responding to some kind of alert and investigating. However, they too are not referred to as ''Cylon'' contacts.

In fact, if we "rewind" back to Adama's original explanation-of-events (with Novacek present) to President Roslin, Adama states that it was the Tauron miners that shot Novacek down. Granted, such a statement is probably conjecture, speculative, and the "official, on the book" account of the event. In any case, there is no proof that it was a Cylon at the cause of Novacek's wreck.

I see three possibilities: A) Bulldog was interdicted by a Cylon, B) Bulldog was interdicted by the Taurons, or (and this is the one that gives ya chills) C) he was ''set up by Colonial High Command'' (without Adama's knowledge) to be bait. Point is, though, we don't ''know'', at this juncture, which it was. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 02:29, 1 December 2006 (CST)

: Erm... the Tauron miner story was just a cover for the black-ops mission. It's Cylons all the way... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:36, 1 December 2006 (CST)

== Cleanup on Aisle Six ==

I thought I'd start a topic for identifying areas that need to be cleaned up. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:38, 6 December 2006 (CST)

: The analysis portion definitely needs to be cleaned up. I would love to see all the second, third, and forth level bullets removed. That section reads much like a forum, which is the encyclopedic equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot. I would very much like to see the second-level and on bullet points merged, or rewritten, into one bullet point per topic, incorporating what content that consensus deems fit. The only other minor thing is the notes, which might need to be cleaned up a bit, but the analysis is really glaring here. (And in other articles previous to this episode too, with the exception of "[[Unfinished Business]]", which is pretty much the best ep guide entry we've had yet this season, much to my wonderful surprise. I firmly believe that we can definitely repeat this again with "[[The Passage]]".)

: To reiterate my point, the analysis needs to be more anal (forgive the pun) in terms of sounding more like an encyclopedic piece rather than some rant on a Skiffy board. Additional thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:44, 6 December 2006 (CST)

::Yeah, people need to stop using a Wiki as their personal bitching ground. Criticism has its place of course, but it needs to be worded carefully and not read like a rant on the usual forums --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:43, 7 December 2006 (CST)

::Nice job on the cleanup of "Analysis", Serenity. I looked at it yesterday, but threw up my hands in disgust and went back to minor editing. =) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 11:36, 12 January 2007 (CST)
:::The interesting thing is that I could keep most of stuff, but just had everything as second-level bullets. They still refer to the original bullet point while being intended as answer for another second-level point --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:41, 12 January 2007 (CST)

== Special Guest Stars? ==

Can anyone who has the iTunes, check to see if Lucy was also included in the Special Guest Stars list. Thanks. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:33, 9 December 2006 (CST)
== Added some changes to noteworthy dialogue, and summary. ==

I fleshed out the summary to cover Bulldog's mention of a Cylon sickness (whether real or faked,) and some more detail on Adama's understanding of how he supposedly provoked the Cylons.
I also added a part of Tigh's speech to Novacek, as it gives some insight on his persistent malaise, and Adama's quip when asked about the medal, partly for humour value and partly because it sums up his attitude to the whole affair.

* can it be that Adame commandes the Battlestar Valkyrie just for this one mission?
If he does it would be no continuity error. And he said in the briefing, that he needs HIS man.

:That would be fanwanky. It's simply an error. I changed all other articles to assume that the mission took place ''six'' years before the Cylon attack. That fits with the document seen in the episode (although these aren't always reliable by themselves) and the dialogue established in other episodes. And there is just no reason why he would have to change ships for one mission. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:17, 25 November 2007 (CST)
== Unrealistic Transfers ==

I added this text regarding the notion of Gaeta or Tyrol being transferred between Galactica and Valkyrie with Adama back to the article, after [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] removed it:
:''This scenario is highly unrealistic, however...''
While I readily admit that the content is subjective, I think in its given context and purpose (that is, debunking attempts at fanwanking the discontinuity by altering Gaeta and Tyrol's established histories), it's an important statement. Part of the reason we adopted this analysis in the first place was to avoid the accumulation of fancruft at both the [[Felix Gaeta]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] articles (see [[Talk:Timeline (RDM)#"Hero" Timeline Issues, revisited]]). I feel that to that end, the statement should be allowed to stand. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:57, 6 February 2008 (CST)
::Indeed, it is also possible to create a situation of anti-fanwanking, which is to categorically rule out *plausible* scenarios. Is it unheard of for the guy/gal at the top to "bring along" trusted and key people wherever he or she goes? How long has Tigh served as right-hand man to Adama? Cain and Belzen had known each other and worked together for years. And sometimes its less useful to try to intuit, infer, or out-of-hand dismiss inconsistencies as contrary to what *must* be correct, than to just document and note the inconsistencies and errors, which may or may not be addressed by the ultimate authorities -- the show and its writers. Sometimes the thing is what it is ... and we are along for the ride.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:13, 6 February 2008 (CST)
:::While I would like to agree with you Fred, the fact of the matter is that Adama ''botched'' the mission. As a result (and per Eick's comments from the [[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three|season three companion]]), his assignment to ''Galactica'' was as ''punishment''. Therefore, any request to the Colonial Fleet for personnel transfers would have likely been railroaded, simply out of spite and politics -- and logically, you don't move junior officers. You might move Tigh as well, but not Gaeta, Tyrol, or Boomer. It simply wouldn't happen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:18, 6 February 2008 (CST)
::::Loyalty can go both ways -- "follow you through hell and high water" -- they could have followed him on their own. They certainly have strong enough attachments and allegiances, more out of respect for the man and not just the rank. And since following a disgraced commander to a soon-to-be-mothballed battlestar is conceivably a low-prestige posting, I doubt there was much competition.-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:28, 6 February 2008 (CST)
::::I disagree ... Adama did not botch the mission, rather the mission did not turn out as planned, and Adama took the fall, probably set up as the patsy as Roslin suggests. And like a good soldier, Adama fell on his sword for executing an ill-advised and provocative mission. But my main point (about the plausibility) still stands, his crew could have chosen to stick with him from one post to another, if he would have them along. And I don't see how taking out the comment of unrealism substantially took away from the factual basis of the sentence. Sometimes we make way too many assumptions, and similar to nature, fandom often hates the absence of neatly-fiitting facts ...-- [[User:Fredmdbud|Fredmdbud]] 21:38, 6 February 2008 (CST)

:I acknowledge Eick's comments, and it's nice that they thought about it, but it still doesn't make all that much sense. There are two scenarios:
#Adama only transferred to ''Galactica'' after the ''Valkyrie'' mission. That still contradicts other statements that Valerii and Thrace served there under him for two years.
#Adama and Tigh went to ''Valkyrie'' for a special mission and then back. First, it should have been stated that way. Second, there is no reason for Adama to conduct that mission. It could have been done by ''Valkyrie'''s commander. And from a real-world POV, they could have just used ''Galactica''. There was no reason to introduce another battlestar. So 1.) makes more sense.
:As for the comment. I don't really have a problem either way. I do consider it unrealistic that so many people transferred with Adama, but the removal doesn't hurt the argument that much. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:58, 7 February 2008 (CST)

::How about this version of 2:
:::The new ship Valkyrie was attached temporarily to BSG 95 (or formed some other more transient two-battlestar group with Adama in command), partly as a shakedown cruise, and partly to get Galactica's crew acquainted with the ship that was intended to be many of their new postings (and Adama's new command) after Galactica's decommissioning. As such, the crew is made up of many of Galactica's personnel. Galactica, already practically obsolete, is left to serenely orbit Caprica with an almost skeleton crew whilst the superior ship Valkyrie conducts a few useful missions.
:::After the disastrous reconnaissance mission Adama and Tigh (and by extension the rest of the crew they bought with), are punished by being pushed back onto the "sinking ship" of Galactica (it being a black-op they couldn't punish them overtly) so the old commander can be retired without any fuss.
::It's [[fanwanking]] I know, but the producers probably have a viable backstory as well, and Eick seems to be fairly confident of it. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 06:19, 7 February 2008 (CST)
:::These types of explanations introduce numerous plot points that strain credibility and have no external justification, just to defend a blatant continuity error - this is fanwanking in the worst way. The simplest way to deal with this is just to change the dates from dialogue to match the dossier, which is already a canon document anyway. Occam's razor should prevail here. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:13, 10 February 2008 (CST)
::::I know, I know, I was just trying to prove a point that there are probably thousands of similar ''somewhat''-feasible explanations. Our problem here that Occam's razor gets a bit blunt when [[David Eick]] ''specifically denies'' that they have a continuity error. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 05:01, 11 February 2008 (CST)
:::::More like he ''believes'' - strongly - that there isn't one. But I think they overlooked the many statements about how long Adama spent with other people on ''Galactica''. By moving the mission a few years back, everything makes perfect sense. I also like that ''Galactica'' was supposed to be a punishment and a way to quietly end his career. Just not at that time. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:37, 11 February 2008 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/CalculatinAvatar

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:''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a '''successful''' [[BW:RFA|request for adminship]]. '''Please do not modify it.'''

===[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]===
[[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship|Back to RFA]].

'''[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:<nowiki>Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/CalculatinAvatar</nowiki>|action=edit}} Vote here] '''
'''(6/0/1) ending <nowiki>07:35</nowiki> 8 May 2006 (UTC)'''

{{User|CalculatinAvatar}} – I have been consistently impressed with CalculatinAvatar since he first joined us four months ago. He has displayed meticulous attention to detail, a strong commitment to accuracy, and his comments in the talk namespaces are always clear and well considered. Although his edit count is small, his contributions have been of consistently high value. I believe that as an administrator, he would be an even stronger asset to the project. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:25, 30 April 2006 (CDT)

:''Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:'' I accept. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:30, 1 May 2006 (CDT)

'''Support'''
#[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:25, 30 April 2006 (CDT)
#[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 09:33, 1 May 2006 (CDT) - Quality editing by a user who I dont think has fallen out with anyone at all.
#[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:42, 1 May 2006 (CDT) - An exemplary Battlewikian. Not afraid to dive in and do some of the dirty work (any help over in the TOS and 1980 sections are greatly appreciated). Outside of an [[Talk:Perry|odd case of confusing violent agreement with Merv]] I can't think of any disturbances that CalculatinAvatar has been involved in. I'm sure he'll handle the mop with care and skill, and I had considered nominating him myself. I suppose it would be selfish to tank an RFA for the sole purpose of having someone succeed on "your" nomination... so I must '''support'''.
#[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:42, 1 May 2006 (CDT) I'm sure that Day would like to stop mopping; we need a fresh Mop Boy, and CA has shown the right muster. Hope your arms are ready; the place has a bigger floor now...
#[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:57, 1 May 2006 (CDT) - After a long sleep to think about it, I support the Rfa.
# [[User:Mazzy|Mazzy]] 13:35, 7 May 2006 (CDT) In favor. He helped me with something I didn't know how to fix. If thats the way he works then he is an asset. Admittedly my only knowledge. But it made a good impression.
'''Oppose'''
#

'''Neutral'''
#[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:58, 1 May 2006 (CDT)

'''Comments'''
*Well, I'm really confused on this one: I like CA, and he's pretty good at stuff, but, hmm, well what I'm asking is; you've done good work making pages fit with out standards, and spelling and grammer, but what things do you feel you've done that showed your discretion and/or ability to contribute quality stuff? What are several major debates which you feel you contributed Administratorish (I know that isn't a word :) ) aspects in? What insight have you provided that no one else has? I'm not sure how to vote. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 11:58, 1 May 2006 (CDT)
*I've added this as question 5--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:13, 4 May 2006 (CDT)

'''Questions for the candidate''' 

''A few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:''
:'''1.''' What duties, if any, would you anticipate helping with? Please check out [[Battlestar Wiki:Project List]]'s for a list of projects.
::A. I am most involved in grammar, punctuation, style, diction, linking, and (to a lesser extent) spelling changes. I also tend to fact-check articles dealing with comparisons between the reimagined series and our reality (e.g. [[Kinetic Energy Weapon]], [[Naturalistic science fiction]], and Assassination). I have particular interest in the application of [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]], [[Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images]], and [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]].
::I sometimes check the text quality of TOS or 1980 articles, but my unfamiliarity with their content hinders substantive changes.

:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions here, are there any about which you are particularly pleased, and why?
::A. Assassination and [[Galactica type battlestar|''Galactica'' type battlestar]] occur to me, but those are pretty much just larger cases of the same prose clean-up edits as the majority of my contributions. That said, I am pleased that, in my assessment, I improved the readability and accuracy of each.
::I poke at articles more than I compose them, so those are some of my larger changes.

:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
::A. I have had edit conflicts in the past, and I tend to deal with them by citing sources or finding out I was wrong when looking for sources. Sometimes I simply provide a more clear justification (e.g. "Normally I wouldn't revert a revert, but sentences end in periods.") or decide the other person has a better point or one of which I was ignorant (e.g. "punctuation order (that had occured to me, but i didn't really like the impression they gave. that said, i can live with them.)" after April's change tagged "Those are real quotes, not scare quotes.").

:'''4.''' What can't you do as a standard contributor that administrator-ship would enable or allow you to do?
::A. block vandals (especially those annoying numeric accounts), grammar check protected pages

:'''5.''' What is creative input that you feel has distinguished you? What specific debates do you feel demonstrated your grasp of the facts and ability to lay out and moderate a good arguement?
::A. (I'm sorry about the delay in this answer. I moved back home from the dorms and had to fix the internet connection I found broken when I got here.)

::To be honest, I don't really provide much creative input. I mostly copy-edit.

::As to a debate demonstrating a grasp of the facts, I'd point to [[Talk:Life Forms of the Twelve Colonies#Coffea]].

:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. '''Please do not modify it.''' Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page.''

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90% sure we already have a copy of this image somewhere. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:16, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
:I actually think the previous version was of a much higher quality (just a tad smaller in size dimensions) [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/images/archive/a/ab/20060408030213%21Ep212battle.jpg] --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 04:10, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
::Nominating this one for deletion. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 10:45, 8 April 2006 (CDT)
:::It should NOT be deleted, Fordsierra4x4 simply uploaded a new version of an old image. I restored to the previous version by Quig, and removed deletion tag. If you disagree then write here, ill keep an eye on this page for a day or two --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 07:02, 9 April 2006 (CDT)

== Version Revert War ==
The Quig version is a lot sharper of a pic, for not that much more size. I'd lean towards reverting to Quig's original version. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:32, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

:I would hardly call this a 'version revert war'. Granted, the Quig version *IS* sharper, but not by a lot, and the HR HDTV screencap provides more than enough resolution and quality without having a great big copyright notice layered on top of it. If you dont like the HR HDTV screencap for being 'too fuzzy' then i can have a go in photoshop to touch it up a bit and see if i can get it sharper, but its upto you as to which version you keep at the end of the day...--[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 17:15, 12 April 2006 (CDT)

::The Quig version is much much sharper and should be used. The version Fordsierra4x4 posted is of larger dimensions but not in clarity. This should'nt be a revert war but i stand by my original decision to revert which is why I have done it again. The Quig version is sharper, clearer, more detailed and sourced officially from Sci Fi. If an admin now wishes to use the larger fuzzy one then fair enough, but ill take full responsibility for this revert. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 02:56, 13 April 2006 (CDT)

:::I also prefer the Quig version. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 10:46, 13 April 2006 (CDT)

::::Along with Steel, Merc, and April, I also prefer the Quig version. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 14:17, 13 April 2006 (CDT)

== Featured Picture Candidate ==

I absolutely ''love'' this picture; it is my favorite SFX shot in the series to date. The illumination on ''Galactica's'' hull as she and ''Pegasus'' pound a basestar into its component atoms is simply breathtaking. I haven't enjoyed a still (or moving) SFX shot like this since the SFX in the classic "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" (the pursuit into the Mutara Nebula and the wonderful shots of ''Enterprise'' as she limps into the cloud). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:47, 4 June 2006 (CDT)
:I'm glad its a winner this time round, definitly a memorable image --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 03:46, 8 June 2006 (CDT)

Podcast talk:Occupation

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== Split idea ==
I just had an idea on how to split up this article (so that it isn't so enormous). Once we've got it roughed out and linked (as well as hopefully verified), we could create Podcast:Occupation and Precipice/Occupation and Podcast:Occupation and Precipice/Precipice subpages that contain all the text of their respective episode. Then this page would only hold transclusions of them, making them appear to be one big page (but allowing them to be edited on the smaller pages, should that need to happen). Just a thought, and nothing I planned on implementing right away. I still have to do Precipice. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:44, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
:Why not just chop it down the middle into Podcast:Occupation and Podcast:Precipice, so that we can cite each hour separately? This would also match our episode guide. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:07, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
::Wow. That's a pretty clean approach. I think that was in my blindspot as I'm working from a single audio file at this point, and so was thinking of it solely as a unit. Yeah. That's a much simpler solution. If there are no objections (assuming anybody other than April is reading this), I'll go that route. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:17, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

==Act breaks==
Aren't there any beeps? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:07, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
:Um, yeah. That'd be a good clue. But no, no beeps in the mp3 that I had. I'm checking the m4a to see if it's any different (and also to see if it ends aburptly at 83:49). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:05, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
:There appear to be no beeps in the m4a as well, but at least it doesn't cut off abruptly. I've got about 5 more minutes to transcribe, apparently. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:39, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
::If you play the m4a in iTunes, you get a "Chapters" menu that you can use to jump to a particular act. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 11:17, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I heard a beep after Act two (a couple lines earlier than the break in the transcript. Right after Terry says "The whole s- the whole thing." I got the MP3 through iTunes--not sure if that makes a difference. It's also much quieter than it used to be (thankfully.)
:::There's another after Act three. Again, a bit earlier than the break in the transcript. Right after " That the hero- and when he does show weakness it's just such a noble thing that he's weak." Is grouping the rest of the comment with the earlier Act a style thing? --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 17:29, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
::::No. When there used to be individual mp3 files for each act, we'd link them in the section headings and obey the beeps strictly. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:52, 14 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Which reminds me. Since they're all 'of a piece' lately, shouldn't we put timecodes at the beginning of Acts? That would really help if, say, only Act four needs verification. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 18:20, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Aerilon/Archive 1

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Are you sure of the spelling? Not Aerilon?

How do you know Troy is near Aerelon? Boomer having an Aerelon accent does not prove this, especially since we don't know where she was age 0-4.

See my the thread I started on Ragnar Anchorage for more information on Aerelon:
http://s9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?showtopic=658

-[[User:MHall|MHall]]

We probably should delete the Ares/Aries part in the notes section due to Home pt. II. I must go and finish colonies now.

== More on spelling ==

We have a note that we go with the more consistent behind-the-scenes spelling of "Aerelon". But I just watched "Maelstrom" and it occurred to me that we haven't considered the pronunciation. Socrata Thrace says 'Air-lon'. Then I check "Dirty Hands" and surely Tyrol says it that way too. Baltar goes more into the direction of 'Air-e-lon' with a very short 'e' inbetween.

Now the question is how would "Aerilon" be pronounced? I'd say it "Air-ee-lon", with a clear and long 'e'. For me another indication that "Aerelon" is correct. It's pretty much established that the prop department does its own thing. They do nice work, but many of the documents have such small inconsistencies. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:09, 29 June 2007 (CDT)
:I think that's a good argument. Better check with April to be sure, though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:20, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

Spelling seems to be "Aerilon", actually. It is actually spelled that way in some of the scripts I've come across, so we probably have to change it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 16:04, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

: Let's make the change. It's spelled "Aerilon". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 22:28, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

== It is Aerelon, not Aerilon ==
According to the Sci-Fi Channel's own Wiki, Scifipedia, it is Aerelon. http://scifipedia.scifi.com/index.php/Twelve_Colonies#Aerelon [[User:Axeman|Axeman]] 19:42, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
: That is wrong. Official production information, the various props, set decoration pieces, and other items all indicate that the spelling is "Aerilon" (with an "i", not an "e"). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 19:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

==Troy==

I would say, that the Troy lines should be (re)moved. Troy is in the Helios Beta System and Aerilon is in the Helios Delta system. And "the map" give us the Information, that it is mined from Virgon and Leonis. If you agree, you can move this info to this colony. --[[User:Enabran|Enabran]] 17:34, 30 December 2011 (EST)

User talk:CalculatinAvatar/Archive1

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==Welcome==

Welcome aboard, CalculatinAvatar. I've enjoyed your edits so far. Keep it up. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:54, 28 December 2005 (EST)

: Also welcome. Additionally: [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Launch_tubes&curid=2481&diff=20987&oldid=18340&rcid=18277 good eye]. --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:27, 28 December 2005 (EST)

== DeZervAdLy lOw? ==

Don't be so hard on yourself. I think I was struggling to understand Photoshop (back when it didn't have a number behind it) when I was your age... I also had to walk uphill in a snowstorm in my bare feet just to ... --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 06:27, 30 December 2005 (EST)
:That was just an attempt at wit. Self-esteem issues are for losers. :-X --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 07:36, 30 December 2005 (EST)

== We Have a New "April Arcus"! :) ==

With April's recent promotion to administrator, I was hoping someone would come along and nail me when my edits get sloppy and inconcise. Welcome to the team, and never apologize for being picky here. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:47, 30 December 2005 (EST)

:Slow down a bit, cowboy! The major modifications that April is doing for the revised Cylon pages can get really confusing if we dive in to edit them while he's moving, so steer clear of them until the framework is up. Else, April may have to revert your edits in order to get the pages started. Don't want to have you do things twice. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:49, 30 December 2005 (EST)

:: You're implying that, because April is an Admin now, that they'll stop re-editing your edits? I don't imagine that the paper work is ''that'' bad. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:36, 31 December 2005 (EST)

:::You're right. In fact, it will probably be worse. The Concision Fairy is now a Concision Deity. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:59, 1 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Hah! Hahaha! Indeed. Heh. --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:13, 1 January 2006 (EST)

== ROSE BOWL ==

''BWAHAHAHAHAHA!'' I hope you watched the game, man. Oh wow. I'm so jazzed I'll never go to sleep again, ever. Did you catch the statement Matt Leinart made after the game? I thought it was in bad taste, personally. Mack did the right thing, I think, in making appriciating USC's team the first order of business in his trophey speech. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:18, 5 January 2006 (EST)
:I watched the game, but I turned it off after the game itself was over. I'm sure I'll catch Leinart's comment later on tonight in an article or the like, but you might not get to read about the "You're wasting my time!" a USC fan said to that Texas defensive back leaving the field with a broken arm. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:26, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:: *jawdrop* Wasting his time? Jeez! That's... so classless. Anyway, Leinart said (a close paraphrase, here), "I still think we're the better team." I mean--I'll leave it open to possibility that, if we were to do best of three or five or something that USC might beat us more than we would beat them, but--honestly... How, based on that one meeting, can you say something so conclusive? ''Anyway'', nice edit with the parenthasis removal over on the Galactica running tallies. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:52, 5 January 2006 (EST)

== Challenge ==

I challenge someone to make a page at [[Template:List_of_templates]] that consists only of a redirect to http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Allpages&namespace=10 so that [[Help:Template]] can have its section 'List of Current Templates' replaced with an instance of that template. You could also find some other way to include the content of the specified page inline in [[Help:Template]]. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:55, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Take it up with the mediawiki people. This is an explicitly acknowleged limitation of lists vs. categories. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:06, 6 January 2006 (EST)

::So it's just impossible, then? That makes me feel better at failing to do it, I suppose. I thought the difficulty was in getting it to take the "namespace=10" argument while still being an internal link. I was sort of hoping there was some force-redirect (even to apparently "external" links) or cute way of getting a <nowiki>[[foo]]</nowiki>-style link with an argument delivered. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 02:43, 6 January 2006 (EST)

== TOS Grammar Patrol ==
The grammar/spellchecking of the ENTIRE TOS category is '''awesome'''. Although not explicitly listed as goal of [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|OSAD]], it is something I've always hoped might get done. I really appreciate you and [[User:Grafix|Grafix]] checking those over. Now that most of the TOS articles have images and some content, this is the type of fine-tuning that they need. Thanks! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:13, 4 April 2006 (CDT)

== A Category Just For You ==

[[:Category:Articles for Grammar, Spelling, and/or Organizational review]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 22:05, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

:Thank you. I hate to be picky but [[:Category:Articles for grammar, spelling, and organizational review]] would be better. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:12, 27 April 2006 (CDT)

==RFA==
CalculatinAvatar, I have [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/CalculatinAvatar| nominated you for adminship]]. Please indicate whether you accept by following the instructions located [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for adminship/nominate#What to do if you are nominated by someone else:|here]]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:29, 30 April 2006 (CDT)
:Thank you; I appreciate the trust. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:38, 1 May 2006 (CDT)

== Congrats! ==

Congrats, on behalf of the community, I have promoted you to administrator status! Should you have any questions, feel free to ask any one of your fellow administrators for assistance. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:20, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:Congrats, CA! You are now the junior admin, so (much to [[User:Day|Day's]] happiness, I'm sure), you are also the new '''Mop Boy'''! (Ah, I love the scent of Pine Sol in the mornin'.) We expect clean floors in the administrator's break room (April sometimes spills their tea, and Steelviper leaves cookie crumbs all over). Don't mind Joe when you see him in his bathrobe in the morning--Lords know we all try to ignore it, too. You'll notice a couple of new features on your interface. Don't be like Steelviper and get so zealous that you block yourself out of the wiki! :) The rollback feature does not allow you to leave a comment, so be sure to update the talk of both page and user (my recommendation) should you use it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:56, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

::Congrats! And yeah... should you ever block yourself indefinitely, it is possible to unblock yourself. When you get as many blocks under your belt as I have (I don't know if Spence's duplicate blocks of people that I already infinite banned should count towards his totals), mistakes are bound to happen:
::* 14:48, 10 March 2006 Steelviper blocked "Steelviper (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (Blatant search engine spamming - repeat offender)
::* 14:54, 10 March 2006 Steelviper blocked "Dharkbayne (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (Blatant search engine spamming - repeat offender)
::* 14:55, 10 March 2006 Steelviper unblocked Steelviper (contribs) (I think he learned his lesson. (Don't block yourself, idiot.))
::(Note that you can still block people while you're blocked. You just can't edit.) Anyway. Keep up the good work, and don't clean up to cookie crumbs too quickly. (Five second rule in '''full''' effect.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:31, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:::I'm completely confident I'm going to block myself (at least once), then come back here after failing to remember that; thanks in advance for the helping hand in a time of need. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:29, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

::My last final is tomorrow, so I will get right on that. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:29, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

:Thank you for the promotion and the congratulations. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 21:29, 10 May 2006 (CDT)

== Hiatus ==

I have been absent of late due to an ethernet line at my house becoming faulty, likely in a splice somewhere in the middle of a 300' underground run. I'm currently in Pasadena for work; oddly enough, being ~1800 miles from home has enhanced my internet connection. I intend to return to my normal frequency of edits after a little while catching up on current events here. I apologize for the neglect. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 19:47, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
: No problem CA. Thanks for communicating this info! Hope you get the problems sorted out soon! :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:00, 18 June 2006 (CDT)

== Copy/Paste ==

Just a copy and paste. Didn't even realize it was still set to Ships. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:18, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
: Yeah, I gathered that; it's not a big deal. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 14:55, 24 June 2006 (CDT)

== *Knock* *knock* ==

Hey, man. In case you hadn't seen it, we're seeking Admin consensus on a solution to [[Battlestar Wiki:Requests for comment/Shane|this RFC]]. There's no rush, as voting doesn't end until July 3rd and we don't seem exactly split on the idea, but I thought I'd point it out anyway, just, as I've said above, in case. Cheers! --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 23:24, 26 June 2006 (CDT)

:I saw it, and, to be perfectly honest, I was sort of camping on the issue. (I had missed Shane's mention of a period without a computer for other reasons, which would have prompted more haste on my part.) To be honest, regarding the RFC and both of the recent RFA's, I felt some deliberation would assist in reaching an objective decision. I could vote neutral, but it isn't quite accurate for "undecided" and would need to be changed later, anyway. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:35, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:: I didn't mean to rush. Sorry if it seemed that way. I initially had posted a "This is not a vote" vote because I wanted to mull it over. Anyway... uh. There's that. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 02:48, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

== Hangerbay ==

The hangerbay has images on it now. Gives it more of a feel on what it would look like. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:52, 7 August 2006 (CDT)

== Mathematics ==

Sorry, for some inexplicable reason I have never visited your talk page before. I earned a B.S. in Applied Mathematics many moons ago. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:40, 26 August 2006 (CDT)

:Excellent, it's always nice to find a common interest. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 18:49, 26 August 2006 (CDT)

== You back full time? ==

: ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:53, 3 September 2006 (CDT)

::Yep, our semester has started already. The dorm connection is generally stable and I'm on at all kinds of fun times, sometimes even during hours people are "supposed" to be awake. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 02:17, 4 September 2006 (CDT)

== BsgMonoBook ==

The new CSS is uploaded. Check it out make sure it's ok, since I know you use it. You mentioned the Infobox lines. That should now be fixed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:02, 7 September 2006 (CDT)
:It's fixed, thanks. I don't normally use it, though; I switched to it for a while after the update but have since gone back. {{unsigned|CalculatinAvatar}}

== Happy Birthday ==

You may now have a Cylon Shot legally. ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 08:15, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:Have a drink on me. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 08:23, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::By your command. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 08:28, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:Thanks, I was considering that, but it's kind of complicated; I don't think I could get one in a bar or even acquire the ingredients easily. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 08:28, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::Actually, it makes me nauseous just looking at the recipe. Looks like a bad hangover in a glass ;), so you are probably lucky to avoid it. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 08:40, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Horray ^_^ ''*lays out a line of cylon shooters for everyone*'' yay --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 09:16, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:Indeed, happy birthday! (And stay away from the shooters.) :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:21, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::Thank you. By your command. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 16:23, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::Happy birthday. Drink all you want. If you hurl in the break room, Mercifull [[Mop Boy|has an extra supply of Pine Sol on hand]]. Not sure if any of us will be able to hold your head as you Yawn, though; we'll be too busy editing and you can't type well with one hand. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:01, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::Hi. Thanks for your comment on the Cylon Raider page. Although I can't say I completely agree with you, but that is the most coherent, supportive, informative, and intelligent response I have ever received online! Thanks! And happy birthday too! [[User:Gozzard|Gozzard]] 00:33, 19 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 00:42, 19 September 2006 (CDT)

Sources:Correspondence with Jim Iaccino

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{{email}}

==April Arcus: Sat, 22 April 2006, 5:29 PM PDT==

''Originally posted to [[User talk:The Merovingian#Your Flamewar with KR on Scifi]] and conveyed to Jim Iaccino by [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] on the SciFi.com message boards.''

Greetings. I am [REDACTED], an administrator on the Battlestar Wiki. I'm sorry to see the direction this conversation has taken, and would like to clarify a few points.
#On the behalf of Battlestar Wiki, I want to apologize for the tone The Merovingian has taken with you. Although a valued member of the community, he is not our spokesperson, and his comments should not be taken as our official position.
#The vote is currently underway at http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad#Koenigrules_.2F_Hollywood_North_Report , and will not conclude for some time yet. You are entirely welcome to defend your position, and I'm sure we'll be willing to extend the vote's closing date if you can address the concerns raised. In particular, it would be very helpful for us if you could answer the following questions:
#*How do you address the innacuracy of your previous reports?
#*In the future, would you be willing to identify which pieces of information come from publicly available sources (casting sides, interviews, etc.) and which are from your confidential sources?
#*Do you believe that you distinguish personal speculation from your own investigations on a reliable basis? If not, will you be willing to do so in the future?
Thank you for reading this. I look forward to reading your response on the wiki, if you choose to make one.

==Jim Iaccino: Sat, 22 April 2006, 10:52 PM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:52:00 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

Hi [REDACTED]: 
I am posting this as I would like to defend my position. 
But something has come up that needs my immediate attention. 
The Provost from my University phoned me today (Saturday!) and said that he needs to see me on Monday. 
Apparently someone familiar with my research on TV series, BSG, said he had some issues with my legitimacy as a researcher. 
When I asked him who it was, the Provost said he would reveal more on Monday. 
I find this very odd that this came the very same week that my legitimacy as a "primary source" was being questioned by one of your Wiki members, Merv. 
So I really want to know whether any Wiki member is involved or not.
I hope noneofyourbusiness indicated this to you. 
But I am sending you this in case he did not.

In a related area, both the HNR editor and myself received an e-mail from RDM suggesting we tone down the spoilers until the episodes air in October (specifically Tigh getting his eye gouged out & Ellen dying). We promised to do that at HNR.

I have not revealed my inside source where I get these spoilers. I am not at liberty too; otherwise, the flow of information will stop.

I will e-mail my responses to you after the meeting with the Provost. I hope that you extend the time frame of the voting, but if not, I understand. 
It's just very disheartening to learn all about this from some other members at wiki. And to have it impact on my workplace is just plain crap.

Feel free to e-mail me at ''[e-mail address withheld]'' if you want to discuss this further. 
I probably have taken up too much of your time as it is. 
KR

==April Arcus: Sun, 23 April 2006, 12:36 AM PDT==

<pre>From: April Arcus
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 00:36:18 -0700
To: Jim Iaccino</pre>

On Apr 22, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Jim Iaccino wrote:

:I have not revealed my inside source where I get these spoilers. I am not at liberty too; otherwise, the flow of information will stop.

We haven't asked you to do that; merely to take greater pains to indicate which information comes from public sources (casting sides, interviews, etc.), which originates with your confidential sources, and which is informed speculation on your part.

:I will e-mail my responses to you after the meeting with the Provost. I hope that you extend the time frame of the voting, but if not, I understand.

There won't be any problem with waiting a few days for your reply; we all have lives outside of fandom. I've placed notice that the vote will not conclude until you've been able to respond to the issues we've raised.

:Feel free to e-mail me at ''[e-mail address withheld]'' if you want to discuss this further.
:I probably have taken up too much of your time as it is.

I'm just glad that we can resolve this civilly. Good luck in your meeting; and let me know if there's anything I can do for you.

-[REDACTED]

==Jim Iaccino: Sun, 23 April 2006, 10:24 AM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:24:22 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

[REDACTED]- 
As I said in the skiffy thread where Merv is still flaming me, I will continue to cite my source when it comes to all spoilers. 
I have done that in every article and will continue to do so. 
If I am invited on Shaun's show, I will do that too. And if we discuss non-spoiler things, I will use "I think" or "I believe" whenever possible. 
As far as some of the spoilers being wrong, I can't help that as they come from my source & things change. The Dirk Benedict inclusion was in the script, but Dirk was never approached. The Downloaded episode was not the Cylon PoV episode, according to my source. So an error occurred. But the spoilers have been right at a very high percentage. And I will continue to use my source, especially when he/she is telling me things that are being filmed (Tigh getting his eye gouged out, Ellen frakking Cavel) or are reported to occur shortly (Ellen dying). 
''[This portion of message withheld by request]'' 
If you feel I have not satisfactorily answered your questions, please PM me. 
I don't want to bring attention to myself and would rather deal with you one-on-one. 
Hope you understand here, 
Jim (KR)

==Jim Iaccino: Sun, 23 April 2006, 10:58 AM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:58:40 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

I really I am hopeful we can all get along in the future. 
''[This portion of message withheld by request]'' 
Needless to say, my source who frequents the sites also knows about what is going on. I hope this does not affect our relationship- but needless to say, he/she is pissed off! 
If you would like to tune in to Shaun's show Tuesday night from 9-11 EST, the last half hour will be devoted to BSG/Who. Check it out at www.lvrocks.com and click LISTEN NOW. I think listening to me is way better than getting it from a secondary source. 
Take care, 
Jim (KR)

==April Arcus: Sun, 23 April 2006, 9:03 AM PDT==

<pre>From: April Arcus
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:03:20 -0700
To: Jim Iaccino</pre>

On Apr 23, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Jim Iaccino wrote:
:As I said in the skiffy thread where Merv is still flaming me, I will continue to cite my source when it comes to all spoilers. [...] And I will continue to use my source, especially when he is telling me things that are being filmed (Tigh getting his eye gouged out, Ellen frakking Cavel) or are reported to occur shortly (Ellen dying).

Surely you must acknowledge what you reported on S2D on the 11th has a remarkable overlap with the contents of the Selloi Dedona casting side. If you are not referring to that information yourself, is it possible that your source is?

:If you would like to tune in to Shaun's show Tuesday night from 9-11 EST, the last half hour will be devoted to BSG/Who. Check it out at www.lvrocks.com and click LISTEN NOW. I think listening to me is way better than getting it from a secondary source.

I will. I think this would be an excellent opportunity for you to address some of the concerns we've had with your reporting style.

''[Remainder of message withheld by request]''

==Jim Iaccino: Sun, 23 April 2006, 11:24 AM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:24:54 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

I have nothing whatsoever to do with getting information from the casting side. 
All my spoiler info is from my BSG source who is very close to the production, period. That is my only source for the spoilers. Some of it is script-related; some deals with actual events being filmed at the time. 
Sorry if I sound curt here. That is not my intent. I just wanted to let you know that I deal with one source- no overlap with any other. 
Jim

==Jim Iaccino: Sun, 23 April 2006, 11:26 AM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:26:53 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

I believe the other problem is that Shaun & I digress to other BSG discussion areas. 
I start with spoilers & then discuss episodes, etc. 
But I will try to make the transition much clearer in future. 
I hope that helps too.

==April Arcus: Sun, 23 April 2006, 9:34 AM PDT==

<pre>From: April Arcus
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 09:34:34 -0700
To: Jim Iaccino</pre>

On Apr 23, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Jim Iaccino wrote:
:I believe the other problem is that Shaun & I digress to other BSG discussion areas.
:I start with spoilers & then discuss episodes, etc.
:But I will try to make the transition much clearer in future.
:I hope that helps too.

It will. Thank you.

:I have nothing whatsoever to do with getting information from the casting side.
:All my spoiler info is from my BSG source who is very close to the production, period. That is my only source for the spoilers. Some of it is script-related; some deals with actual events being filmed at the time.
:Sorry if I sound curt here. That is not my intent. I just wanted to let you know that I deal with one source- no overlap with any other.
:Jim

Well, that certainly makes this less complicated. As long as you keep spoilers and speculation separated, it should be a simple matter to attribute information to your anonymous source when it can't be corroborated elsewhere. I will listen to your show on tuesday, and make my recommendation to the community afterward.

I don't think I have any other issues I need you to address. Do you mind if I go ahead and post our correspondence to the wiki?

==Jim Iaccino: Sun, 23 April 2006, 11:52 AM CDT==

<pre>From: Jim Iaccino
Subject: Battlestar Wiki e-mail
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:52:03 -0500
To: April Arcus</pre>

Sure thing. ''[Remainder of message withheld by request]'' 
Jim

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Image Cropping Promo Images

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Disagree. Simple cropping is not the sort of image manipulation frowned upon by the AP, and doing so often greatly enhances the visual appeal of a screen capture or promo. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I agree with April. Simple cropping or size reduction isn't the type of manipulation they frown upon. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:53, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Vote ==

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* Date Ending: {{dateahead|{{JD|2006|12 |17}}|7}}

Instructions: Use <nowiki>{{Support}}, {{Oppose}}, {{Abstain}}, and {{Neutral}}</nowiki>, supported by a reason and appropriately signed using the four tildés (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).

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# [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin Jr.]] - {{oppose}} No need to have a policy against cropping images, particularly if they enhance their usage on an article or document. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:33, 17 December 2006 (CST)
# [[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] -
# [[User:Day|Day]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|Leave of Absence]] since 20 September 2006.
# [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] -
# [[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] - {{Oppose}} ditto to Joe --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:36, 18 December 2006 (CST)
# [[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] - {{Oppose}}
# [[User:Shane|Shane]] - {{Abstain}}. [[Battlestar Wiki:Leave of Absence|Leave of Absence]] since 14 December 2006.
# [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] -
# [[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] - {{Oppose}} Photoshopping my head onto Tigh's body... bad. Cropping a specific area or sizing so that modem users aren't killed when they view an image... good. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:02, 18 December 2006 (CST)
# [[User:Talos|Talos]] - {{Oppose}} Full agreance with Joe's comment above. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:37, 17 December 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Move Squad

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April Arcus: name change

Suggestion: Automatically confer move priveleges on registered users after 100 edits? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:50, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:I like that idea --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:44, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
:100 "usefull" edits. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:22, 12 July 2006 (CDT)
::Ugh. I'm loathe to count up individual edits to determine "usefullness". If by "useful", you mean non-spam/vandalism I would agree (although hopefully they'd be blocked long before they hit 100). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:25, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

::: Yes. Let us say "100 non-vandal edits". I don't know how we'd even define useful. Fixing a single typo is useful, especially if they fixed a single typo in 100 different articles. That's a lot of proof-reading. And that's a ''minor'' edit. As long as we're not looking at 100 edits to link Canadian drugs or whatever, I think we're in the clear. --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]]) 15:40, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

: Let's not be too picky with the criteria here. 100 non-vandal edits should suffice. Obviously, we should probably make use of the {{tl|move}} template and appropriate categories for users under the 100 edit mark, so new users can suggest moves. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:09, 12 July 2006 (CDT)

== LocalSettings.php Settings ==

<pre>
$wgGroupPermissions['trusted']['move'] = true;
</pre>

== Final? ==

If there are no other objections, comments, or concerns regarding this, I would like to get this rolling. Please comment within the next 2 days, thank you. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:52, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Sounds good to me :) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 17:03, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:We're "go" here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:10, 17 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} I'm just gonna vote. I'll re-vote if this dosen't count. Mayber we can call this a two-day voting period in which people can still debate/call for delay/change their votes? Or is there intended to be a longer such period following the two days mentioned by Joe? --[[User:Day|Day]] ([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]] - [http://hiver.swordofthestars.com/ SotS]) 00:21, 18 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} granting move privs to users after 100 edits. Suggest also considering a 2-3 day minimum registration period. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:56, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Privs to the people! I'm not sure what kind of "restrictions" are easily coded, but April's suggestions sound reasonable. (Avoids granting move privs to highly productive vandals, and gives admins a day or two window to block them). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:03, 20 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{oppose}} I think we should confer Move ability on a case by case basis: remember when that troll moved 300 things in the space of 3 hours? An automatic spam bot could easily gain 100 edits within say 30 minuts, and for another 2 hours move 500 things around (supposing they time this at the dead of night when we're not around and international users like Mercifull are busy); the results would be disasterous. I am rather in favor of the Administrators confering this (liberally) to new users who are obviously not spammers. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 09:16, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
::'''Comment:'''I think that reasoning may have driven the 2-3 day "waiting period" that April mentioned.[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:32, 21 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Yes, that was what I had in mind. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 20:21, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
::::Oh okay, yeah with a waiting period {{support}} --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 22:09, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} I am fine with granting this to people with over 100 edits and a two to three day waiting period. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:25, 22 July 2006 (CDT)
:{{support}} Once you update the wiki, you should be able to add this to the localsetting.php with ease. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:25, 23 July 2006 (CDT)

== Finalized ==

I've finalized this. The page can be located at [[Battlestar Wiki:Page Moves]] (or at the [[BW:MOVE]] shortcut). As it is almost 4 in the morning, I am off to sleep and might have missed something. So if anyone has any issues, feel free to correct them or let me know. Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 02:53, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

== Autoconfirmed ==

I know this is an ancient discussion, but I'd like to point out that it's technically ''possible'' (that's different from ''advisable'') to automatically grant move privileges to users who have made X edits, and/or have registered X days ago. Wikipedia does this as well (accounts older than 4 days get move privileges), and also protects some pages like [[w:George Bush]] this way (only accounts older than 4 days can edit it). What I'm saying here is that it's ''possible'' to auto-assign move rights to (using examples from earlier discussion) anyone who has 100 edits and has registered at least 3 days ago.

The real question of course is whether we want this. A spambot could potentially register, lay low for 3 days, make 100 edits quickly and then start moving stuff around. The bright side is that when MediaWiki 1.12 is released, I'll be able to write up a simple bot that automatically reverts '''all''' actions by a certain user, edits and moves alike. Additionally, 1.12 will allow for throwing a confirmed e-mail address into the mix (i.e. allow move for any account older than 3 days AND with more than 100 edits AND with a confirmed e-mail address). In 1.11 (the current version), it's either/or (either the age+editcount combi, or a confirmed e-mail address).

Clarification of title: the lines to enable this in LocalSettings.php are
<pre>
$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['move'] = true;
$wgAutoConfirmAge = 3600*24 * 3; // 3 days
$wgAutoConfirmCount = 100;
</pre>

Thoughts? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:43, 3 January 2008 (CST)

: I wouldn't be adverse to trying this out, once 1.12 comes out and your bot is completed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 11:02, 3 January 2008 (CST)

Talk:Doctor Zee/Archive 1

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''Spencerian wrote:''
:''This "whiz-kid" alien character, akin to Commander Spock in the "Star Trek" series, is a type of stereotypical character not used in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]] as part of its goal to provide [[naturalistic science fiction|a realistic basis]] to both characters and technology.''
While noting that the whiz-kid is a common trope is well and good, I don't think this is an appropriate place to preach the virtues of naturalistic science fiction. It would be good to cite other SF whiz-kids to bolster the point, if we decide to re-include it. Wesley Crusher comes most immediately to mind, and the cliche was parodied to good effect in "Galaxy Quest", but I can't actually think of any other examples at the moment. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:37, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:I didn't want to go into a list of examples, although Wesley is also a good example. I added the notation because the character of Zee was one of the prime reasons why this spinoff was so remarkably poor in quality. I could add such analysis to the [[Galactica 1980]] main article or episode speculation or analysis, but it deserves to go somewhere, I feel. Even if I don't contrast NSF to it, elements such as Zee were Just. Plain. Awful. Steelviper's probably in therapy after having to fill pages in for that.

:Also, while Zee may be 10 years old, it doesn't suggest by extension that it took Galactica 10 years to find Earth or even that it took them at least 10 years. We don't know the time it took Zee to reach the Fleet. To point out that Zee was born in Earth year 1970 is meaningless. The sentence detailing this is also extremely awkward. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 3 January 2006 (EST)

::I'm just overjoyed that somebody already WATCHED all this gunk and wrote this all down. It does doom the fund that I was building to help pay for the meth you would have needed to watch it. Two admins, locked in mortal combat... which way is it going to go? I guess I'd love to see ANY episode analysis/speculation, as the 1980 pages generally just have the summaries right now. (Don't get me wrong, I'm VERY grateful for the summaries, but I'd like everything to be uniform.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:04, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:::It's not as if my opinion or Spencerian's count for more than any other user now that we're admins. If you'd all like the remark added back, go ahead. I just found the tone to be unnecessarily snide. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:10, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:::Ah, it's not mortal combat. WATCHING "1980"...now THAT'S mortal combat. Perhaps we can add an episode of "Far Out Space Nuts" and the worst of "Buck Rogers" to complete the madness. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 3 January 2006 (EST)

::::Just a (failed) attempt at humor. It was the first time I'd seen you two disagree since sysoping. I really would like to see it in one of the episode pages, if only to provide some content there. The [[Galactica 1980]] page would probably be the best place for it. Since we're drawing a comparison to another series (RDM, Trek, etc), it makes sense to do that at the series level rather than the character level. That way if they're "immersed" in the (whatever little) 1980 content they don't end up being pulled into RDM or TOS any more than they have to. Also... I was looking at the (sparse) 1980 character category. Should the TOS characters that show up in 1980 be added to that category to help fill it out? I don't think a Boomer (1980), etc, is really merited. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:24, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:::::As April said, it's more of a contributor-perception thing, not Sysop Wars :) We have disagreements all the time; we've never made them into flame wars or April finally realizes I'm right (/snide comment :). But this does bring up an interesting concept of a place for voting for our best and worst of the Galactica episodes, old, new, or bad. Maybe something we can incorporate somewhere here in the off-season. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:35, 3 January 2006 (EST)

::::::The offseason is (thankfully) fading quickly. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:08, 3 January 2006 (EST)

::::::Since there are various continuities that branch off from TOS in addition to 1980 (such as Hatch's novels), I think that separate character pages are indeed warranted. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:37, 3 January 2006 (EST)

:::::::Darn. Well, I'm glad I ran it by somebody first. Hopefully [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] has it in his heart to get some screenshots for us. Actually, looking at his site I think we'd be good for Adama and Starbuck. The only character I haven't seen on his page is Col. Boomer. I may try to get a start on the 1980 offshoots of the characters, though, never having seen the show I'll be limited as to my usefullness in filling them in. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:08, 3 January 2006 (EST)

User talk:James Swallow

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April Arcus:

== Welcome to Battlestar Wiki! ==

Welcome to the Wiki, James Swallow. Feel free to tell us about yourself on [[User:James Swallow|your user page]]. Before you get started on other edits, please read the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]], which details the policies we use in editing pages (this differs from many other wikis in consistent use of phrasing, abbreviations, format, and the like).

Also, if you have any questions or suggestions you wish to offer, please feel free to do so either on your user talk page, the [[Battlestar Wiki:Wikipedian Quorum|Wikipedian Quorum]] or [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]]. Remember to sign your posts on any talk pages using four tildes (~~~~)! --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:47, 4 March 2006 (CST)

==Citations==
Mr. Swallow, thank you for your additions to the video game character articles. Can you please provide details on the source of this information? Is it presented in the video game itself, or in other documents? If so, can you please cite them? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:43, 19 March 2006 (CST)

:Sure, April. I wrote the script and story documentation for the Battlestar Galactica videogame and I'm drawing this information from material I produced for Vivendi Universal Games. Some of the information appears in the game in an edited form; I'm including material that also never made it into the final draft of the project.

::That was my guess, as I've seen your name attached to the project in various interviews. I suppose this is just my opinion, but due to the freely editable nature of wiki, I think it makes for a sub-optimal primary source. Would it be possible, in addition to your contributions here, to write up your description of the background material in a more permanent format (a blog, perhaps?) that we could link to? This would help preserve the integrity of your contributions in the face of edit wars and/or factual disputes. Again, thank you for taking the time to contribute here - it's wonderful to have the assistance of someone so deeply involved in production. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 09:19, 20 March 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:How to archive a talk page

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How are you doing on this, Shane? Do you want me to do the writeup instead? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:59, 19 May 2006 (CDT)
:Sure. I was just going to put down from what we learned when doing it. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:58, 20 May 2006 (CDT)
::Is this still going to go-ahead? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 04:33, 25 May 2006 (CDT)
:::Yeah. Trying to find the time. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 09:22, 25 May 2006 (CDT)

== Comments and usage ==

I just wrote this guide, comments, suggestions and improvements are welcome.

I also noticed that very few users use this procedure: [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|some]] [[User talk:Spencerian|of]] [[User talk:Steelviper|us]] use an oldid-based approach that doesn't allow for the neat indexing this method provides, whereas [[User talk:April Arcus|others]] don't archive discussions at all. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:26, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
:I'm just lazy. I meant to archive when I hit 40 topics, but then my usage slowed down. I use the kosher method on regular talk pages. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 10:48, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
::It looks like a nice guide, Catrope. I might be enticed to try it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:14, 6 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Thanks. I decided archiving my talk page earlier today, and learned how to set it up by reading the source of [[BW:OC]] and its archives. It's actually pretty easy if you have something to copy-paste from, which this guide provides. BTW, I'm not blaming you (Spence and April) for not using this method, the fact that Shane was the only one to use it says a lot. ;) --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:38, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Gemini/Archive 1

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April Arcus:

==Tylium refinery?==

Note to self - investigate whether this ship is actually identified as a tyllium refinery. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 16:17, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

:Note to April: The miniseries dialog infers that it is a tanker moreso than a refinery ship. If refinery ships also hold fuel, then this qualifies. Else... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:28, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

:"There are a lot of thirsty ships waiting to make your friend's acquaintance." is a fair approximation of Lee's comment to Boomer. This implies ''Gemini'' carries fuel. I think deciding tanker versus refiner is beyond the scope of the available information, unless someone else knows of a further reference. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:23, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

::Okay, here's what I've got:
::First, Apollo says: "Message from Lt. Valerii. She's found a fuel refinery ship. Filled with tylium."
::Then, Boomer's raptor arrives, with a fuel refinery of the same class as the [[Daru Mozu]] and the unnamed tanker from "Home, Part I".
::''Then'', we cut to the Gemini (its name clearly visible on screen), which is very visibly ''not'' the same ship that just arrived. As such, I am removing references to Gemini as a fuel tanker - the ship that arrived with Boomer was simply not named. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:36, 9 May 2006 (CDT)
The ''Gemini'' isn't the tanker. It's because a screenshot shows the freighter with the Mark VII Vipers flying with it when the Raider jumped.--[[User:CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 10.45, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

==FTL?==
I removed the reference to FTL capability, pending confirmation. The ship was seen among Roslin's mixed FTL and non-FTL fleet, before its jump to Ragnar stranded all the non-FTL capable ships, and it is not seen jumping itself. Are there are any sightings of this ship after that event? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:44, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

It is there, jumping beside the Botanical Cruiser. And it appears in several shots of the fleet in the series. Along with its counterpart.--[[User: CoreyDanian|CoreyDanian]] 10:47, 3 October 2006

Sources talk:Subject 2 Discussion, 11 April 2006

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Is it just me, or did Koenigrules just ''assume'' that Tigh loses his eye? I mean the phrase is "looks out of his eye"...for all we know, that was just a turn of phrase, or perhaps, he got a really bad black eye and it's swollen and he can't see out of it. Lots of possibilities. Yikes, Koenigrules handled this really irresponsibly. I'm pretty steamed about it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 00:51, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

:No, it's not just you. It's clear to me that KR just read the casting side and RDM's blog and made a few conjectures, and Shaun O'Mac heard Katee's interview on KUFO in Portland. Because the majority of KR's comments can be traced to other sources, I'm hopeful that we can find out where he obtained the few scraps of information which appear to be original, and which he doesn't explicitly identify as guesses. Namely:
:*Title of episode 3x02
:*Death of Ellen Tigh around episode four
:--[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:06, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
::Do we officially condemn Koenigrules? (Your call). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:15, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
:::"Condemning" him isn't an option, and as always, any citation is better than nothing. But we should approach his reports with a healthy skepticism and try to uncover his primary sources. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:52, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
::::Probably because I'm half asleep and I've been watching Apocalypse Now reruns all day, but my patience with Koenigrules is running thin. I honestly don't know why he is considered a more important news source than us by GalacticaStation, he usually just reports stuff based on the things we've seen. Look, really I've had nothing against him before this at all. But like dominoes, I saw all the news sites reporting his *interpretation* of a poorly sourced script as if it was fact, and I'm annoyed--->regardless: I don't want to "condemn" him, I want to know if our official position is that his report is lousy, so that when I'm on the official site, I can say "at BattlestarWiki, we analyzed this and decided he didn't know any more than we did", because if anyone doesn't want me to say that, I will not. But it comes up in conversation alot, but I thought the right thing would be to check here first. ****Brilliant idea. I should try to get an interview with Subject2Discussion, to hype the Golden Toaster Awards which I am a spokesperson for, and mention in passing that KR was a little...overzealous in his reporting. Overzealous is a better word than condemn. The horror....the horror....--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 02:12, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
::::: Well, frankly, we need to find KR's sources prior to making any assertions on the validity -- or lack thereof -- of his interpretation. I would really like to know how he obtained the two facts April mentioned above. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:20, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
:::::Well, I'm personally dsappointed wth him, but I can't articulate a postion for the entire wiki. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 11:01, 16 April 2006 (CDT)
::::::Agreed. But we can achive a consensus position. I also agree with what Joe just said. "Koenigrules said it" isn't a source. For the past year I've heard him making interviews on Subject2discussion, but I never really questioned who he was. I assumed he was near production or something. I have the sinking suspicion that he's just a prominent Galacticastation member. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 13:11, 16 April 2006 (CDT)

== Page Change Name... ==

April, think we should move this page to '''[[Sources:Subject 2 Discussion, 11 April 2006]]'''? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:41, 26 April 2006 (CDT)
:Yes. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:47, 26 April 2006 (CDT)

== Deletetion ==

I don't think we should delete this because it's historical value or the "rumor" vote. We might want to re-link this once we get to the episode that has some of these "rumors" if any become true. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:48, 9 May 2006 (CDT)
: Good point. If only for the historical value. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:50, 9 May 2006 (CDT)
:I agree. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:13, 9 May 2006 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Featured articles/Debate for November 2006

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== Notice ==

This FA will go on for till Friday. Get your votes in now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:38, 7 November 2006 (CST)

== Comments ==
I've made it my mission to get a silly page as featured article. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:43, 16 October 2006 (CDT)
:I love the silly pages, and will defend their right to exist to the death, but I don't think they're appropriate for a featured article. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:16, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:I have to concur with April, although Toaster is arguably our most humorous article. It seems more appropriate to have our encyclopedic articles stand out. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:17, 31 October 2006 (CST)

== [[Adama (TOS)]] ==
* {{support}} - How better to compare/contrast the new vs. old Adama than back to back features? I didn't nominate this article, but it would be nice to show some TOS love. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:35, 31 October 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} - I agree with SV. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:29, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:03, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:50, 9 November 2006 (CST)
* {{support}} -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 00:34, 10 November 2006 (CST)

==[[Flashlight]]==
* {{support}} - My personal favorite silly page (Sorry drinking game), I think it deserves some love. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)

==[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]]==
* {{support}} - I think this article is especially pertinent in terms of what's currently happening on the show. --[[User:Parlemer|Parlemer]] 17:46, 10 November 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Episode airdate information

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== Usage in episode articles ==
How did you picture the episode articles thing? Were you going to use {{tl|Maelstrom NTSC broadcast date}} (which has been done BTW, I've been contributing to this project before it even existed) in [[Maelstrom]]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 04:31, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:It was my bad I didn't realise that Maelstrom existed so i have changed it. It was only to serve a point anyway not an example of a change. I think you are a little confused on what exactly I'm trying to do here. Its an overhaul of the current system not something completely new. And you can see how i did the channel logo by looking at the code. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:30, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

== Integration into {{tl|Episode Data}} ==

Could be integrated automatically :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 05:03, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:That's what I was getting at in my previous comment. We just use Template:PAGENAME NTSC broadcast date, really. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 05:19, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::I would like to see mockups for ideas, but I think the "date" in the template would need to be shorter. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 05:23, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::How short would you want the date to be? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:30, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Also it couldn't be added automatically because there are some episodes with the same name as a TOS episode or like the Pegasus episode also shares its name with other pages. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:48, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Nope. The <code>title</code> paramater can force it to be changed, and I can add a <code>dismb</code> parameter that only works on the release date section. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:59, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::For example, look at the table header for, e.g., [[The Hand of God (RDM)]] or [[Resistance (episode)]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 01:09, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

==Example of use on page==
See [[Crossroads, Part II]] for how a template would look on the page. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:37, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:Included US airdate template too. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:47, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
::Looks good. However, I am wondering if we should include all the "format" release dates. Make it a "2 by 2" table (4 cells) and label them accordingly. lol. Alot of this would be automated in the template itself of course. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 07:56, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm not the template expert lol but remember that these templates are used on the image tags for the episodes too arnt they? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:36, 3 May 2007 (CDT)

==Usage note==
Please note that I created these templates for use in the image templates. The NTSC broadcast date has been, but need not always be a US airdate, and the PAL broadcast date has been, but need not be the UK airdate. The fancy formatting, which looks nice in episode templates, is not helpful within the image templates are originally intended. Also, non-anglosphere broadcast dates should be included where possible. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:29, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. Maybe we should just have one "airdate" field in {{tl|Episode Data}} and include ''every'' airdate from ''anywhere'' in the world we can find. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 01:23, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
::That would probably be the best solution, all around. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 05:03, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== April's Idea ==

Just so it's out there.. their suggestion is that we rename the template(s) ([[:Category:RDM_Release_Date_Templates]] and [[:Category:RDM_Broadcast_Date_Templates]]) to have the county code in it, so we can display all the airtime for the particular episodes. {{tl|Episode Airtime Data}} is the template that "shows" all the data -- plus it's sub-templates -- and {{tl|Episode Release Date}} is the template that formats out the template itself. In the long run, I will be able to migrate this over to the Media wiki and the {{tl|Episode Airtime Data}} box would be migrated over inside the [[:md:Template:Master screencap|Template:Master screencap]] and [[:md:Template:Master audio|Template:Master audio]]. An area of example is over on my sub testing page.. [[User:Shane/Testing Area|here]]. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:48, 4 May 2007 (CDT)
:For the [[:md:|Media wiki]] I created a [[:md:User:Shane/Testing Area|test "template" master"]] of [[:md:Template:Master screencap|Template:Master screencap]] that uses the {{tl|Episode Airtime Data}} boxes. Please check it out. Remember... it still needs to be refined and we still need to think about the renaming process of adding the country code. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 10:58, 7 May 2007 (CDT)
::Looks good. The only suggestion I have to make is that you make the main headers US, UK and Other, and make DE, NL, etc. children of Other. Especially for people using Shane's JS (with the Show/Hide thingies) this'll prevent a lot of clutter. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:20, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Limitation of javascript is the problem. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:11, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
::::I took care of that, see also below. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 02:28, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

== Status? ==

What's the sit rep on this? Need more discussions or can we vote? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 09:26, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:I'd still like to collect all possible airdates (not only DE, but also AU, NZ, NL, etc.) and group them under the "Other airdates" header, which is (IMO) much better than cluttering up the main view with four extra headers. To illustrate this graphically:
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | {{flag|US|notext=Y}} Airtimes
|-
| US info goes here
|}
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | {{flag|UK|notext=Y}} Airtimes
|-
| UK info goes here
|}
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | Other Airtimes
|-
|
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | {{flag|DE|notext=Y}} Airtimes
|-
| DE info goes here
|}
|-
|
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | {{flag|NL|notext=Y}} Airtimes
|-
| NL info goes here
|}
|-
|
{| class="navbox collapsible collapsed" width="100%"
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="2" align="left" | {{flag|AU|notext=Y}} Airtimes
|-
| AU info goes here
|}
|}
:Hmm, nesting collapsible navboxes doesn't seem to work very well, I'll see if I can fix that.
:If there are no objections, I'd like implement this method of airdate showing for '''all''' countries BSG has aired in or is currently airing in. Of course, if an episode hasn't been aired in NL yet, the NL header won't show up. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

::Well, since this an English language Wiki, I'd prefer if we sticked to English-language broadcasts. That means US, UK, NZ, AUS, CAN. For the others, there are either own BSWiki editions or they have localized websites elsewhere. Except maybe for people from subbing countries like the Netherlands, as those are more inclined to visit an English Wiki than people from dubbing countries. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:51, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:::The major point here is that NL doesn't have an own wiki. My suggestion would be to include non-English countries only if they don't have their own wiki. On a side note, I've managed to fix the nested collapsible table issue. I've asked Joe to merge my fix with the site's JavaScript, so it'll work for everyone. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:50, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Hence my caveat to only include subbing countries. People from dubbing countries that don't have an own Wiki (Italy maybe) are far more likely to look at an external website for that information. There is a huge "Hurrr. I need to have everything in my language" thing going on there, even with people who know enough English to read a website. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:55, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::The subtables seem to be expanded already, but the buttons state "show". It seems that you have to click 'em twice just to get it to work properly. (By the way, the file I updated was [[MediaWiki:common.js]], so changes that are recommended should be made on the [[MediaWiki talk:common.js]] page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 23:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Do a hard refresh (Shift+Refresh button in Firefox), it works for me now. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 02:31, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
N.B.: A Kiwi recently posted on [[BW:AN]], asking for airdates for New Zealand. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:25, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:I noticed, that's why I mentioned NZ as well. It'll be quite some work, though, to add historical airdates. Ploughing through old revisions of [[Battlestar Wiki:News/Airdates]] and [[BW:TV]] would probably be the best approach. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:33, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:::The way for this ''to'' work is that we have to rename all the templates that we currently have that have the country code in them. I have guidelines somewhere on the site on where the change needs to happen in the template it self. The old redirects get deleted and then everything should be good for formating the dates differently. Then we just gotta add the dates templates to separate categories so we can keep everything clean. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:09, 8 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Why exactly do we need to rename the templates that have the country code in them? Which templates do you mean by that? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 02:31, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

User talk:Ltcrashdown

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April Arcus:

==Welcome==

Welcome to the Battlestar wiki, Ltcrashdown, and thank you for your contributions to the articles [[Perry]], [[Stepchild]] and [[Fireball]]. While your note on Perry was interesting, I have reverted Stepchild and Fireball for reasons stated on the relevant talk pages. If you would like to discuss the matter further, I encourage you to do so there. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:38, 23 December 2005 (EST)

==Signature==
FYI, to automate your signature and timestap, sign your talk page comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:54, 24 December 2005 (EST)

: I was coming here to say that very same thing, April. Also, I might add that I found the [[Battlestar Wiki:Help|Help Pages]] very, well, helpful when I was brand new to Wiki-dom and that's where I read about that kind of thing. Notice, too, that <nowiki>[[Ltcrashdown]]</nowiki> is not an article, so if you were wanting to include a link to your user page by hand, you'd want <nowiki>[[User:Ltcrashdown|Ltcrashdown]]</nowiki>. Also, if you could please refrain, in the future, from threatening to shoot Specialists, that'd be great. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:34, 2 January 2006 (EST)

::Shooting specialists? I'm afraid I must have missed the joke. --Ltcrashdown 08:37, 2 January 2006 (EST)

::: Lt. [[Crashdown]] threatened to shoot [[Cally]] in ''[[Fragged]]''. You took his name, so I assumed you'd get it immediately. My bad. --[[User:Day|Day]] 10:30, 2 January 2006 (EST)

:::: Well first of all, she had it coming. Second of all, joke understood and appreciated. --Ltcrashdown 10:35, 2 January 2006 (EST)

== Racetrack ==

Hey, man... Which Ep did your screen cap come from? If it's from anything except RS1, I thought I might try to get a bigger/sharper capture of the same (more or less) frame. Good job, by the way, tracking that one down. --[[User:Day|Day]] 21:30, 8 January 2006 (EST)

Battlestar Wiki talk:Policy

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April Arcus:

Shane, what the heck is this about? "Policy Enforcement committee"? "Chairpersons"? What do you think is lacking in our current system that necessitates this draconian replacement? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:13, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
:just throwing my ideas out. I had to run before I could finsh the page. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:29, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
::Can't you raise this stuff on the wikipedian quorum first? Putting it in the Battlestar Wiki namespace makes it seem like it's already been decided, and leaves the rest of us feeling out of the loop. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 23:04, 14 May 2006 (CDT)
:::Honestly, I don't feel that chairpersons are really all that necessary... it just adds more felgercarb to deal with in the long run. On the other hand, since there's stuff on this page that hasn't been decided yet, it is best that you either move the current version of this page to your namespace under a subpage or bring this stuff up for discussion, as April suggests. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:12, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

== Review ==

I am ready to submit this page of policy for review with the entire Wiki. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 21:03, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

:The enforcement section seems unnecessary to me. We do not need a comittee to enforce our policies - all of the admin staff are familiar with them, and any user can file an RFC if an abuse has gone unremedied. The community here is very small, and in the few situations where a major dispute has come up ([[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Citation_Jihad/Archive02#The_Rumor_Vote|only]] [[Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Spoiler_Policy/Archive01#Vote|two]] incidents come to mind), a full vote of the community has been sufficient to resolve the matter.

:The centralized list of policies is useful, however, as are instructions on proposing a policy. However, I still think users should be encouraged to raise ideas on the quorum and see if there's any kind of community support ''before'' putting together a proposed policy page. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:13, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

: I agree with April. A committee is unnecessary for a small wiki such as ours. It only adds complication and bureaucracy where there doesn't need to be any. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:19, 15 May 2006 (CDT)

:"The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy." Even if a committee were necessary, I'm not sure if we would be able to properly staff it. Heck, we haven't been able to get a featured article for the front page yet. More formal processes might be necessary if we grow, but for the time being the peer-to-peer enforcement seems to do the job. I'd reccomend swapping out the "committee" text in the enforcement section to a short paragraph indicating that everybody enforces the policies (on everybody), and that in the event of dispute over enforcement that consensus (or Joe) rules. Mechanisms in consensus establishment might include discussion on the relevant talk pages, or an RFC if necessary. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:54, 16 May 2006 (CDT)

:Yeah. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 10:50, 16 May 2006 (CDT)
::Reformated the page. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 07:27, 6 June 2006 (CDT)

I still don't support it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:16, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:What changes do you suggest? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:22, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
::For starters, I do not agree with the bots or request for comment systems. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 17:32, 25 June 2006 (CDT)
:::The RFC system is already in place. You can Proposed it on it's talk page for removal. The bots section is a project anyway. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:36, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

Template talk:Cast Data/Archive1

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April Arcus:

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Shane, please explain your reasoning for this template before we implement it. We had a conversation earlier on whether to use something like this and concluded that it wouldn't be terribly useful. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:31, 19 March 2006 (CST)

Shane, I appreciate all of the categories and templates you've been making, but lately it's become almost....''overzealous''. And this should not be called "Star Data" it should be called "Cast Data" or something. I tend to try to base these things on what Memory Alpha does. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]]

Here are my reasons....

This template would be used for creating pages for cast members. So if someone where to come new on to the show, they could have a Cast template created in a quick sec. I noticed as in James Callis's everything was wacked out and before I was going to edit it I was going to create this template so I could just paste the data back into it's location. If you were to look at it (at least the previos version) you would see that it was very unorginzed and looked like nothing of [[Edward James Olmos]] page, which was much cleaner than [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=James_Callis&oldid=12803 Old Version of James] page.

@ April: This is nothing like the "Writers" or "Directors" where there is very little bio on the web about them. These are Cast Members. Even on the Wikipedia pages they have tons more information on them an us having not that information says we are just going to "Link everyone to an external" site and they can take the grunt work from doing anything. They should be recoinzed and have pages on this Wikipedia because they are taking part in the Battestar Expereince. Plus, if you even taken a look at the Main Page design that I been working on, everything would follow a format. Making it univerisal is how to make one site, even a wiki site, navagationialy sound. Even if there was no new design of the Main Page, wouldn't you rather have something that is easy navagatable when reading? Catagories and this are two different things. Navagatoing by Catagories is the worest way to look for something. I don't know any other wiki that does it this way. Most of them are based right on the page of the Article.

@Merovingian: Yes. It could be "Cast Data". You are the only one who seems to question the need for templates. I base most of mine of Wikipedia, if you read my userpage. Would you hate to have to re-type the same thing over and over for welcoming new members?

--[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:12, 19 March 2006 (CST)

:Shane, in what godly universe does this constitute a discussion? You have acted unilaterally and mass-added this template to numerous articles without allowing proper time for discussion. You do not own this wiki, it is a collaboration. While I find your ideas promising, it is disrespectful to the other members of this community to implement them without proper discussion. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 21:39, 19 March 2006 (CST)

::In addition to this April, A) Wikipedia doesn't really do that B) '''Memory Alpha''', the Star Trek Wiki, doesn't do this, and I thought we tended to use them as a reference more often than not. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 21:49, 19 March 2006 (CST)

== We don't need the image credit field... ==

Image credits should go on the description page of the image in question. Therefore I am going to remove it. Does anyone second? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:01, 21 March 2006 (CST)

:Second. No need for the redundant crediting. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:06, 21 March 2006 (CST)

== Design of the Header ==

The header which had <nowiki> ! style="background: #461919; color: #FFFFFF;" colspan=3|'''{{PAGENAME}}'''</nowiki> was something I liked better than the larger font. I think we should look making this a standered look, because the "red" gives it a "Box" feeling. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:13, 22 March 2006 (CST)
:I find all the red backgrounds pretty oppressive. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 02:27, 22 March 2006 (CST)

User talk:Jzanjani

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April Arcus: name change

AIM: Kinaesthete

Myspace: http://www.myspace.com/american_jaakesh

==Your "apology" to Ricimer==
I hope you realize that your quite valid points about consuming the time of Spencerian, Watcher and myself with your juvenile antics only succeeds in making your [[User talk:Ricimer|comments]] to Ricimer offensive to ''all'' of us. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:49, 7 October 2005 (EDT)

You guys need to loosen up. Seriously.
:''[[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 17:53, 7 October 2005 (EDT)''

::I agree with April. If you think that "loosening up" means that we allow ''ad hominem'' attacks to Ricimer, you are just as wrong as he was in attacking you. We generally do not edit the comments of Talk pages, but in your case, I might make an exception. Ricimer is as valuable a contributor as you have shown so far (antics aside), but we veteran contributors also know he has a tendency to chomp on newbies, and we remind him not to as appropriate, while defending legitimate actions such as the contributions you have done. However, your post on Ricimer's talk page steps over the line, and frequent contributors like myself and April get annoyed, quickly. We have fun reading and contributing here; but loosening up with attacks is never, ever permitted. You are no exception.

::While our administrator of this site is a kind soul that does not kick fellow wikipedians out of BSG Wiki without sufficient cause, do not make the mistake that he cannot be persuaded. Ricimer was in the wrong, but you further insulting him is likely a violation of Wiki policy and '''IS''' grounds for your account being banned. I'd rather add to the contributions than remind you of this common-sense behavior, and I'm sure you will be happy to add to the Wiki rather than get the riot act read to you from the Wikipedians here. Think of it this way: If what you say or display on a board which, in real life, would you punched in the face if said in person, why would you think it would be appropriate here? [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:22, 7 October 2005 (EDT)

::I would like to point out again that I didn't know that someone is indeed allowed to edit their own talk page: had I known this I would never have re-instated this user page after it's own user deleted it. My error against the rules was one of ignorance, and for this I am sorry. ---Ricimer, October 7, 2005

:::It's okay Ricimer, you know I love you.<3 ''[[User:Jzanjani|Jzanjani]] 20:23, 7 October 2005 (EDT)''

::::I have removed your latest edit to Ricimer's page. Enough is enough. We know you two don't get along. We get it. Your edit was in poor taste and you are rapidly making a case for yourself to be banned. --[[User:Feldspar|Feldspar]] 03:52, 8 October 2005 (EDT)

== I Don't Wanna Brag, I Don't Wanna Boast... ==

...put two slices in the slot, you get [[Toaster|toast!]] YEAH, TOAST!!! [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:24, 7 October 2005 (EDT)

== Banned for 1 Week ==

Jzanjani,

I am the often-mentioned Joe that contributors speak of. Normally, I permit members of this Wiki to govern themselves and their behaviors as they see fit: though we are all prone to flaws of character or action at times, I believe people can act as mature adults. For the most part, as you might have noticed, I leave people be if they are acting in good faith -- more than likely, someone will stand up and say something, and the problem attends to itself.

However, there comes a time where I have to interviene. This, unfortunately, is a time where I am forced to interviene for the good of the community.

First off, let me say that I do not mind humor -- I use it myself, and quite often. However, since you are so quick to point out other people's flaws -- your comment regarding April's "anti-social" behavior prominently comes to mind -- perhaps you should look inward.

Before I go into this, I will frankly say that I don't pretend to be perfect; I am the furthest thing from it, and third from the left. I frak up like everyone else. However, I also learn from my frak-ups and move on.

I am also brutally honest when I have to be. I avoid beating around the bush whenever possible, hence the following:

Where you fraked up is in recognizing that some people aren't going to appreciate your humor. You failed to understand this and continued in your attempts at humor. In fact, you went overboard; linking to a picture of a kid giving the middle finger was insulting and unacceptable, as far as I am concerned. To add insult to injury, vandalizing Ricimer's page with an ad hominem attack and misusing this Wiki's resources (i.e. uploading a frivolous, non-encyclopedic picture) just worsens your position. If you are going to truly and fully apologize to someone, you don't mind frak them with something completely out of context.

Then again, I cannot tell people how to behave. That isn't my place; I am neither your parents nor guardians -- these are the people who should instruct their children in manners. Not April. Not Ricimer. Not Spencerian. Not I -- nor anyone else. If you find that you are incapable of showing other contributors humility, respect, integrity, and demonstrate maturity, then perhaps you have made a severe error in contributing to this wiki.

As for Ricimer, I'll talk to him personally; I will not ban him, because unlike you

In fact, I will go as so far as to state that perhaps you have wasted our time and, more importantly to you, ''your time'' in even trying.

Now, I'm not here to say that you are a stereotypical "bad person" or [[Wikipedia:troll|troll]]; as far as I know, you could be a diamond in the rough, and could provide worthwhile contributions to us.

Ultimately, the choice is up to you. This is why I have given you a temporary ban of one-week. You may still read the Wiki, if you want to, though you just can't contribute or post here. However, as one human being to another, I would recommend not visiting the Wiki for a week. Consider your options, and most importantly your actions to date.

Due to the apparent fact that you are a fairly eloquent and thoughtful person (by choice, it seems), I am leaving the ultimate decision to leave or stay up to you. Now, just to let you know, I ''can'' ban your account indefinitely; I don't want to do that, and don't want to waste my time in even going through the motions. For if I do, it will anger me; I have larger concerns at this time. I deal with stupidity on a daily basis, and while I cannot do anything about some of it, I will crush any stupidity I see within my sphere of influence.

With these words in mind, if you feel you need to contact me, check my user page and click on "E-mail this user".

Regards,

[[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]]

Above posted at: 21:07, 8 October 2005 (EDT)

:WOOOOO I'm back I'm back I'm back I'm back! oh Mercy - you guys are going to regret it - you WILL REGRET IT! just watch out for yourself now -- JUST WATCH OUT NOW, cuz JZ is gonna bring the P-P-P-PAIN! you weaklings think you can keep me in submission? do you really think you can keep me down? well you're in for a surprise - A RUDE, and PAINFUL surprise! ohhhhhh what time is it? GAME TIME! what time is it? GAME TIME! I will ensure you do not forget; no let me rephrase that, you WON'T be able to forget the PAIN which approaches like a storm gathering on the horizon. Here comes the storm! Here it comes, what can you do? The storm is coming! what are you going to do? what can you do? can you do anything, well what about NO NO NO - NOTHING, you will take shelter and cower like p'tagh from the PAIN. Here it comes...

*I trust you will spend your time here constructively, furthering our encyclopedic, nay, obsessive knowledge base of Battlestar Galactica information. I would assume you have seen the new vandalsm policy. Best to familiarize yourself with it. ''Remember, remember, the 5th of November...'' --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:00, 16 October 2005 (EDT)

:: Terry Tate is a Golden God. That is all. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:21, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

== One-month ban ==

Based on your comments (and personal attack on Ricimer on your own user page) after your ''first'' ban, you clearly aren't demonstrating the maturity and humility required to contribute to this Wiki. This Wiki is not your personal kindergarden playground, sir. Therefore, I am banning you for one month. Feel free to contribute -- or not -- upon expiration of the ban-timer. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:54, 7 November 2005 (EST)

Template talk:Email

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April Arcus:

==Public Domain==
E-mails are absolutely not released into the public domain. Their contents remain under the copyright of their author, who permit us to host their correspondence here. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:45, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
: Concur. Emails are not public domain unless their authors declare it to be so. Otherwise, they are copyrighted immediately upon creation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:16, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
::April, You do not need to snap at me. Geez. Most emails if are relasing them are private, so you lose that privatecy once you post them and are then released under {{tl|PD}}. You can check the law, but I know that is what it says. E-mails, once relased to the public are {{tl|PD}}. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:38, 23 May 2006 (CDT)
:::Incorrect. The author retains copyright until it is explicitly released. We were granted permission to post the two e-mail correspondences we currently host, and that is all - they are not free for others to modify, redistribute, or claim as their own, nor would they have any other liberty that would be afforded to them were the works in the public domain - they may view them here for their own edification, and that is all. If my reaction was brusque, it is because this matter is important: inappropriate copyright information can actually get us in trouble. There's no excuse for being sloppy about this kind of thing. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:28, 23 May 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Serina/Archive 1

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April Arcus:

==Serena vs Serina==
The booklet in the DVD box set of TOS lists her in the credits as "Serina". Not that I'm a big fan of that spelling, but I just thought I'd report it. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:Well, at least now there's a canonically official spelling. I recommend moving it to the correct article name, but you may need to delete a redirect page that occupies that space first. This may cause history to get messy, so be careful. Contact Joe if you're unsure (like me). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:16, 5 January 2006 (EST)

::You should find a second source. I wouldn't trust a DVD booklet as far as I could throw it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:45, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::Good idea. There are a LOT of instances of Serena, so I'm going to hate to have to change them. I'll check the credits of Saga of a Star World and Lost Planet of the Gods before I do anything. I may post screenshots as evidence (then we can delete them after everybody is satisfied).--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:14, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::Thanks for the drudge work, April. I was planning on doing that today. (I just didn't want to move the page until other eyes had confirmed the screenshot.) Fortunately a lot of the content added by Mokwella had the "correct" spelling. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:43, 6 January 2006 (EST)

==Screen Capture==
[[Image:SerinaCredit.jpg|thumb|Serina in the credits.]]
Well... it looks like there may be some work to do. I checked the beginning of Saga of a Starworld, and it also is spelled "Serina". Actually, it was pretty lucky that it even was on Lost Planet of the Gods, since all the other guests didn't have their names listed with an "as" other than her. Where should we go from here?--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:05, 5 January 2006 (EST)

::Looks like "Serina" wins. A redirect will do for this page once it's moved, assuming I haven't moved it already, damn it all... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:39, 6 January 2006 (EST)

==New Pic==
I put up a new pic on the character page. It's in color, and at a higher resolution. If anybody has an idea of a better scene to capture from, I'm game, but that was the best that I could do while scavenging for other screenshots (see:[[Rigel]]).--[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:05, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:The picture is awesome. The really cool part is that the actress ''still'' looks as beautiful today. Nice work. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:40, 6 January 2006 (EST)

==Redirect==
I was about to make a redirect from "Serena" to this page (I had typed in "Serena" and gotten the "page does not exist" notice, then I searched for "Serena" and found this page), but the log says that Joe deleted it already as an "unused redirect". How can one tell if a redirect is used or not, and why should one care? -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:Rule of thumb: If it's a spelling error you think others are likely to make, it merits a redirect. Since you actually committed that error, and since "Serena" is a common first name (peaked at 209th most popular in 2000), while "Serina" is not (peaked at 959th in 1998), I'd say go for it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 22:03, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::Indeed, it's the most common way that fans spell it, even though it's a letter off. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
: Well, I restored it now. It's not only a common spelling error amongst fans, it is also the spelling used in some of the old novelizations. As for the question, I can check on the server what links are visited... but as to why I cared, I'm not sure, because redirects are dirt cheap. As April said, if its a common spelling error, make a redirect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 23:28, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Strato

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Looking over the section on "People from X Colony" http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Category:Colonial
I noticed that some of the Banners for the Colonies themselves are incorrectly assinged.
Still getting my feet wet regarding WikiEditing...and don't wish to step on any toes...unsure how to go about making the corrections?

:First of all, let me thank you for proceeding cautiously, since this is a contentious issue. The page [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] was recently updated by Ltcrashdown to reflect the assignments offered in the Official Companion and issue three of the magazine, which I'm currently willing to acknowlege as accurate. If you have any points of disagreement with the assignments given on that article, please leave a message on the talk page first; otherwise feel free to procede with correcting the various category pages. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 17:11, 8 February 2006 (EST)

:Yeah... I was sort of procrastinating updating those categories until that debate sorted itself out. It seems to have settled down, so if you want to fix the banners that'd be great! (I mostly added them to the categories to get them off of the Island of Misfit images without deleting them, but I've started to like the looks of them). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 17:15, 8 February 2006 (EST)

The entry found here
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Colonies_%28RDM%29

appears to have the correct Banner Assignments from what I understand...but the indivual listings for "People from Colony..." etc seem to be a bit messed up.
is there a consensus agreement then that the following (which I understand to have been based on the magazine article refrenced by April) is cannon?
http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/images/3/36/Colonies3el.gif
--[[User:Stratohead|Stratohead]]

User:April Arcus

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April Arcus:

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==Three Very Important Things==
*Citations
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==To Do List==
''(it never shrinks!)''
*Cylon series
*Geography of Kobol
*Ontology (Battlestar wiki:Categories)
*Finish timeline untangling (getting there!)
*Podcast transcripts

==Bookmarks==
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Talk:Battle of Kobol (TRS)/Archive 1

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THIS PAGE NEEDS TO BE RE-NAMED: It should be "Battle of Kobol" not "The Battle of Kobol". "The" makes it listed under "T". ---Ricimer

I think this article needs to be separated into distinct engagements, of which there are 3:

#Events of Day 50-51: Destruction of [[Raptor 3]] and crash-landing of [[Raptor 1]] over Kobol ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]), subsequent ground-warfare events ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] through [[Fragged]]), destruction of orbiging Basestar by Boomer ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]), ambush by second basestar ([[Scattered]]) and engagement with Cylon boarding party (Valley of Darkness)
#Kara's adventures with Helo, cap-Boomer and and Blanders ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]] through [[The Farm]])
#The Roslin Faction's separation from the Fleet, and the Fleet's return to Kobol to collect them.

Only the first one of these can really be properly termed a battle. It's probably adequate to annote the others in the episode summaries, character biographies (particularly Kara's), and the [[Laura Roslin faction]] article. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 15:48, 22 Aug 2005 (EDT)
:I agree, April. I wanted to add only the events specific to an encounter and minimize character data (that's for other places), but RDM is not necessarily going to have a epic fight everytime a Cylon shows up. You're great at truncating my sometimes-excessive information, so truncate as you see fit keeping the lead-in information in the article in mind. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:57, 22 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I'm not going to start updating this until "Home, Part II" airs, but my plan is to treat it like the Battle of Midway or Leyte Gulf: some major battle that occured on more than one day, but there were several days separating each of the "days of battle". I'd like to mention the loss of two Raptors as this is a big casualty; I definately want to include the destruction of the Basestar in KLG II because it's the only documented instance of the Colonials ''ever'' destroying a Cylons Basestar; I think they might not have lost a single Basestar in the fall of the Twelve Colonies. It's a also a use of one of the Galactica's dwindling supply of nukes. As for the stuff on the ground, that might was well go too. ***To be honest, I'd rather that this page was Re-named from "Battle of Kobol" to "Battle FOR Kobol" as this implies a more drawn out affair. Then again, the Colonials aren't fighting to KEEP Kobol, so I don't know. Anyway, I anticipate a big fight in "Home Part II" so I'm going to hold off on updating until then. However, I think a good idea would be to separate it into sections using the " = " sign to break up the headings into separate "Days of Battle" i.e. "First Day of Battle: Loss of 2 Raptors. Second Day of Battle: Basestar nuked, fight for the Nav Coordinates" etc. To be honest, I NEVER wanted to make a "Battle of Kobol". Personally, I was going to make a page that was "Strike Again the Basestar" (which I would have modelled after Wikipedia's page on the WWII Doolittle Raid), then make a "Battle for the Nav Coordinates" page (First known fielding of the Cylon Heavy Raider), and presumably the "Battle of Kobol" in "Home, part II". We shall see. --Ricimer, 22 Aug 2005 10:00 pm EDT.
:Edits look great from my windy version, Ricimer and April. Just the fighting facts and that's it. Readable and gives a great tactical stat rundown. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:05, 27 August 2005 (EDT)

Template talk:Stub

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== Stub "Text" ==
I know this isn't really a big deal, but shouldn't we have stub's based on the Catagery of the page that we are stubbing? (i.e. Actor/Actress vs. Character). --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:15, 25 March 2006 (CST)

:Probably appropriate once we have more than a hundred stubs or so, but not right now. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:46, 25 March 2006 (CST)

: Concur with April. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:49, 25 March 2006 (CST)
::Yeah. I was just getting it out there. Wasn't doing anything drastic. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:02, 26 March 2006 (CST)
:::I just aded a stub icon, I hope this is allowed. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:57, 20 April 2006 (CDT)

User talk:Jgsfcaus

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Welcome aboard. I look forward to your contributions. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 00:38, 19 September 2005 (EDT)

:Thanks, April...looks like I'm gonna have to learn wiki - wiki wiki! I have no idea how to respond other than editing this page...guess I'm a wiki *gulp* nugget. Cheers - Jack

::That's how you do it. Also, check the "recent changes" link on the left hand side of your screen for recent edits and their summaries. Start looking around, and let me know if I can help. You can contact me by leaving a message on my talk page, which you can navigate to by clicking "discussion" after going to my user info. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:27, 19 September 2005 (EDT)

::: Hello from me, as well. This is my first Wiki, and I found the [[Battlestar Wiki:Tutorial]] very enlightening. It should clue you in on formatting and such. Anyway, Hi. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:58, 19 September 2005 (EDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Featured articles/Debate for October 2006

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{{archive-message
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| end = October 8, 2006
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== [[The Battlestar Galactica Drinking Game]] ==
* {{oppose}}. Funny, but inconsistent. Also, a silly page has to be exceedingly silly to overshadow a non-silly page, in my opinion. Close, though. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:11, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}}. As the original creator, I feel that the drinking game is in drastic need of revision. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:13, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}} --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:27, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}} I nominated it only as a joke. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:03, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}} I agree with April about it needed a decent cleanup --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:29, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

== [[Cylon agent]] ==
*Comment - could use some information currently hosted in [[Cylon Models]]. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 19:40, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
*Comment - I believe it could stand to be revised. I'm not entirely sure whether or not we should be including information on Isis/Hera in there either, despite the "Nubmer Thirteen" statement Gina made to Biers' in a deleted scene. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:59, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

== [[FTL]] ==

* Comment: I love the theory here. Blows [[Wikipedia:Warp drive|warp drive]] out of the water. But... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:11, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}}. An article focusing on technobabble is not representative of this character-driven show. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 18:14, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}}. I generally don't like extensive discussions of made-up technology, but it's a well written article. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:21, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}}. I see April's point about this article not necessarily being representative of this being a character-driven show. At the same time, however, the article is well written and could be a featured article. The major weakness in this article is the lack of verifiable sources, particularly the notes on its feasibility and the Kip Thorne/Carl Sagan items in the article. The only reference to these items are Wikipedia, a resource that should never be used as either primary or secondary source of information. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:07, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{oppose}} as well. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:30, 2 October 2006 (CDT)

== [[William Adama]] ==
* {{support}} --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:32, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} A good article about possibly the most important character in the show. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:04, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}}. That is a good one, and we've been techno-heavy lately. Vote's changed. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:01, 2 October 2006 (CDT)
* {{support}} --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:28, 3 October 2006 (CDT)

Template talk:Location Data

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==Deletion==
This template improves none of the articles it has been used on; it just combines a picture and some uninteresting details which can be quickly gleaned from the article text. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:02, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
:Though the template is used infequenlty for now, there is still more places tp be added. New Caprica, other things that and places that we might see during season 3. For someone who did not want to read the next but get the "description" they would had read this Data block. Data blocks are designed so people can get the full skippy about the location. If this were the case, I vote to delete the {{tl|Character Data}} block because then people would have to read the article. Blocks are used as a reference to an item, not for sole use. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:10, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
::None of our "location" articles are so long that this is helpful; and none of the factoids selected for the data box are interesting or comprehensive enough to give a meaningful overview. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 12:21, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
:::It has been seen by the community. It has only been 1 day, and their was other edits to a page other than myself. So saying that it didn't have any "Uses" is bougs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:23, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
::::That's reasonable. I've restored [[Cylon listening post]] to stand as an example while we discuss it. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 13:04, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
: I believe that the template ''might'' have uses in larger articles. There isn't anything stating, at all, that the template needs to be consistently applied to each and every article on locations in the BSG universes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:22, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
::I beleive you are misunderatnding on April's orginal ideas for the deletion are. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:27, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
::One more example: [[Caroline Adama]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:39, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
::: Perhaps I am, however as I read the discussion thus far, here's what I found. In April's reply to your comment regarding the {{tl|Character Data}} template, they state: ''None of our "location" articles are so long that this is helpful.'' So, therefore, I recognize that April believes that the infoboxes on larger pages are helpful for summarizing noteworthy information. Obviously, more views on this issue would be quite helpful, and would probably help what kind of information should be in this infobox, as that is a concern April expressed as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:34, 11 June 2006 (CDT)

::::Your understanding is correct. I do happen to believe that the infoboxes on [[Caroline Adama]] and [[Scylla]] are probably superfluous, but at least they contain interesting information. All this template does as of now is specify the location's name, owner, function, and... recursively, location. Since all this information should be present in the lead paragraph anyway, I think the template as currently formulated is redundant at best, and encourages loose writing at worst. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 14:02, 11 June 2006 (CDT)
:There does not seem tobe a concensous or any other objections so I have removed the delete status. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:51, 20 June 2006 (CDT)

For the record, I saw the location box, and was thankful that Shane tried it out to show us what it would look like; but I don't think it added anything to the text. This isn't like Star Trek where there's 100's of planets and we need easy references; anything could be just gleaned from the text. It was a good idea to try but I don't think we should use it...for now at least. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 20:38, 24 June 2006 (CDT)
:It doesn't need to be deleted then. It just isn't used. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:31, 25 June 2006 (CDT)

==Deletion 2==
This template has remained on display for two weeks at [[Cylon listening post]], and there hasn't been any movement on this discussion. I continue to maintain that this is not useful and should be deleted - if a need for a location box ever comes up in the future, it isn't exactly difficult to create a new template. Any comments before I revert [[Cylon listening post]] and delete this template? --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 01:32, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

:I agree. Perhaps, when the "Caprica" prequel gets into full swing, who knows? But even then...It's probable we won't need this. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 01:39, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

::It seems to me like this could very well be a good thing for the future. However at the moment there is not sufficient information to do these kinds of pages. Like Merv says, when "Caprica" begins a template such as this could be very useful indeed. I am torn between deleting then waiting to see if its needed later on and re-making this or just keeping it. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:12, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

Quotes talk:10 13

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I used a CSS text-transform property to put the text in all-caps, as it was formatted in the message Tyrol et al. received. I like it, but if people think it looks hideous, just strip the div wrapper. --[[User:April Arcus|April Arcus]] 05:19, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
:Looks good. Get emotional everytime I read that. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 06:22, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
::Agreed. I should've added the rest of the message when I added this quote, it just fits perfectly. It looks great April, good job. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 08:42, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Noyse Elementary School/Archive 1

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He said Norse not noyce. Can we get a debate going and if that pans out a rename?

--[[User:Meteor|Meteor]]
: Well, it does sound like "Norse". The issue is that "Noyce" is how it is spelled out in the close captioning. Of course, the sound effects and other sound muffles his dialogue; thus we're not sure exactly he was saying, other than what I saw in the subtitles. (I had them turned on, just to check spellings...) Now, we could [[BW:OC|bring this up to Bradley Thompson]] in the hopes that he can confirm this, since he did write the episode after all. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]] 21:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
::"Noyce" would make a bit more sense IMO. Though the subtitles aren't always that reliable, especially with names. For example they rendered [[Salpica]] as "Caprica". I couldn't make it out fully, but checking the ship list cleared that up. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:49, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Grab a audio recording. And I will send the file to April. Audio Expert. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 22:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)