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Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-29T05:44:22Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

I think the "fan estimate" of 6-8 Viper squads is off. According to http://galactica.tv/colonials/galacticatv.shtml, the Galactica had only 2 Viper squadrons. Since it was a museum ship, it's possible this is less than the usual complement.

-- John Reese

-------

Hi John,

Thanks for contributing! It's nice to see that the site's picking up now!

Actually, there are bits of information on the Galactica.tv (or Galactica2003.tv) website that are suspect, such as Tigh's first name being "Paul", as opposed to the canonized "Saul". We mainly use the episodes for canonical information; the Zoic, as the Colonial Archivist (Ernestborg9) can tell you, is mainly conjecture unless canonical info shows up to disprove it.

However, [[Battlestar|Battlestars]] in general carry 6-8 sqads; [[Galactica]] does carry two. (Or did, as I'm sure that the Galactica is now left with, at most, one full squadron of Mark IIs from the [[Mini-Series]], over the course of the series.)

- Joe

== Other Battlestars ==

Since the encounter of the Pegasus we have learned of another type of Battlestar,
will this page be edited in regard of this?

Another point is the appearence of the Galactica before the ship has been refitted
after the war. Is it clear that it had the appearance of the orginal show or is this
unclear?

Hardwing

: I've updated the page to reflect that this page deals primarily with the original battlestar class, of which ''Galactica'' is a member. I added a note on ''Pegasus'' and her class. There is a page for the [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, which could be edited and updated as this one as we get more technical information on that ship class. Note that only battlestars mentioned in an episode are canon; the rest technically may be made-up until then. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:00, 26 September 2005 (EDT)

==Armament Details==

* ''With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)''
* ''Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)''
** ''Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.''
** ''Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.''

This is interesting. Do you have a source for: the number of point-defense turrets, the number of rail guns, and the ''existance'' of rail guns (on-screen evidence indicates a three-rail design, which is inconsistant with the physics of a rail gun)? I don't think any of those things have been shown or mentioned on screen yet.

This line of inquiry might enable us to speculate on the Battlestar's total ammo store, if we can derive our estimates from good data. However, the concept of a Basestar sending two raider wings directly into Galactica's firing solution is a little silly. ''Galactica's'' firing solution has been used to provide cover for vipers and screen the ship from nukes, not to target enemy fightercraft directly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:55, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::''Aramaments - Defensive''
::* ''24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
::* ''512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)''

:according to the wiki entry.
:also pictures on there show the existance of the rail guns. 8 ontop. 8 on the under side of the 'crocodile head', and 8 on the underbelly.

:the Rate of Fire is all my doing however.

:can someone get me a short video of when the ship actually fires? cuz im actualy needing this much detail for something im doing (and using this wiki as a reference for).

:its guessing though i counted erm, 498 turrets myself.
:and worked out for that too , ive got those calculations somewhere.

:keeping in mind some of the personnel guns they have, that fire ate more-then-1-round-per-second (in some cases. for instance a gattling gun, while not seen onscreen they likely have one, what with theyre parralels with earth tech)..
:its more then realistic RoF for each turret no?

:asfor the rail gun RoF
:on second thought,
:ill need to re-examine the footage of the rail guns firing.
:theyre not said to be rail guns but theres a shot somewhere of 4 turrets , that resemble the rail guns, firing.
:ok ill stop now.

:thx for the, well, not going mad :)

:edit - oh sos forget this: --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT) [[Image:BSG_Ortho_Bottom.jpg|thumb]]
:::::::Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::::If you mean the ones visible in the ventral elevation, I think Talos was including those in his count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:35, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::::those are fully visible. theres 4 at the very front and 2 either side of the underbelly partially visible. ill upload the pic when i get the change.
::::::::::::No need, I see them. Odd place for them, their range of motion must be quite constrained. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
::: (okay all these colons are really making this page long vertically. go 3-4-5-3 etc lol. anyway. ive uploaded to imageshack the pic so if anyone wants to count them and compare like i did go ahead. erm its 6:45am and had 3 hours sleep so , i forgot, how do i link? lol. img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottomguns8ns.jpg (edit into a link for us. cheers) btw the pic is huge. --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 01:44, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

==This Article Needs Work==

Who will join me in stripping this article of non-canon information and clearly labelling sources? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: A challenge, but I like that. Perhaps we can move the Zoic information to a new page, as it is close to canon as we've got since they are part of the production process, although little of their info can be collaborated yet. We probably need to have this page moved to "Original Battlestar" or "Battlestar (RDM)" or somehow disamb it. Or, just offload the TOS info to another page. In a way I'm also big on placing the tech stats with the other technology pages to keep it easy to edit and read for both pages. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:28, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::We should definitely namespace it into Battlestar (TOS), Battlestar (VG), Battlestar (RDM). Also, we could split the RDM article into "Battlestar" as a general concept, and the unnamed Galactica-class battlestar specifically - think [[Wikipedia:Aircraft carrier|Aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Yorktown class aircraft carrier|Yorktown class aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Nimitz class aircraft carrier|Nimitz class aircraft carrier]].

::Lastly, we must find an actual link to the Zoic source on all these details if we're going to keep them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:22, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-29T05:43:59Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

I think the "fan estimate" of 6-8 Viper squads is off. According to http://galactica.tv/colonials/galacticatv.shtml, the Galactica had only 2 Viper squadrons. Since it was a museum ship, it's possible this is less than the usual complement.

-- John Reese

-------

Hi John,

Thanks for contributing! It's nice to see that the site's picking up now!

Actually, there are bits of information on the Galactica.tv (or Galactica2003.tv) website that are suspect, such as Tigh's first name being "Paul", as opposed to the canonized "Saul". We mainly use the episodes for canonical information; the Zoic, as the Colonial Archivist (Ernestborg9) can tell you, is mainly conjecture unless canonical info shows up to disprove it.

However, [[Battlestar|Battlestars]] in general carry 6-8 sqads; [[Galactica]] does carry two. (Or did, as I'm sure that the Galactica is now left with, at most, one full squadron of Mark IIs from the [[Mini-Series]], over the course of the series.)

- Joe

== Other Battlestars ==

Since the encounter of the Pegasus we have learned of another type of Battlestar,
will this page be edited in regard of this?

Another point is the appearence of the Galactica before the ship has been refitted
after the war. Is it clear that it had the appearance of the orginal show or is this
unclear?

Hardwing

: I've updated the page to reflect that this page deals primarily with the original battlestar class, of which ''Galactica'' is a member. I added a note on ''Pegasus'' and her class. There is a page for the [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, which could be edited and updated as this one as we get more technical information on that ship class. Note that only battlestars mentioned in an episode are canon; the rest technically may be made-up until then. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:00, 26 September 2005 (EDT)

==Armament Details==

* ''With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)''
* ''Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)''
** ''Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.''
** ''Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.''

This is interesting. Do you have a source for: the number of point-defense turrets, the number of rail guns, and the ''existance'' of rail guns (on-screen evidence indicates a three-rail design, which is inconsistant with the physics of a rail gun)? I don't think any of those things have been shown or mentioned on screen yet.

This line of inquiry might enable us to speculate on the Battlestar's total ammo store, if we can derive our estimates from good data. However, the concept of a Basestar sending two raider wings directly into Galactica's firing solution is a little silly. ''Galactica's'' firing solution has been used to provide cover for vipers and screen the ship from nukes, not to target enemy fightercraft directly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:55, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::''Aramaments - Defensive''
::* ''24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
::* ''512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)''

:according to the wiki entry.
:also pictures on there show the existance of the rail guns. 8 ontop. 8 on the under side of the 'crocodile head', and 8 on the underbelly.

:the Rate of Fire is all my doing however.

:can someone get me a short video of when the ship actually fires? cuz im actualy needing this much detail for something im doing (and using this wiki as a reference for).

:its guessing though i counted erm, 498 turrets myself.
:and worked out for that too , ive got those calculations somewhere.

:keeping in mind some of the personnel guns they have, that fire ate more-then-1-round-per-second (in some cases. for instance a gattling gun, while not seen onscreen they likely have one, what with theyre parralels with earth tech)..
:its more then realistic RoF for each turret no?

:asfor the rail gun RoF
:on second thought,
:ill need to re-examine the footage of the rail guns firing.
:theyre not said to be rail guns but theres a shot somewhere of 4 turrets , that resemble the rail guns, firing.
:ok ill stop now.

:thx for the, well, not going mad :)

:edit - oh sos forget this: --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT) [[Image:BSG_Ortho_Bottom.jpg|thumb]]
:::::::Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::::If you mean the ones visible in the ventral elevation, I think Talos was including those in his count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:35, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::::those are fully visible. theres 4 at the very front and 2 either side of the underbelly partially visible. ill upload the pic when i get the change.
::::::::::::No need, I see them. Odd place for them, their range of motion must be quite constrained. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:39, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
::: (okay all these colons are really making this page long vertically. go 3-4-5-3 etc lol. anyway. ive uploaded to imageshack the pic so if anyone wants to count them and compare like i did go ahead. erm its 6:45am and had 3 hours sleep so , i forgot, how do i link? lol. img295.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bottomguns8ns.jpg (edit into a link for us. cheers)

==This Article Needs Work==

Who will join me in stripping this article of non-canon information and clearly labelling sources? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: A challenge, but I like that. Perhaps we can move the Zoic information to a new page, as it is close to canon as we've got since they are part of the production process, although little of their info can be collaborated yet. We probably need to have this page moved to "Original Battlestar" or "Battlestar (RDM)" or somehow disamb it. Or, just offload the TOS info to another page. In a way I'm also big on placing the tech stats with the other technology pages to keep it easy to edit and read for both pages. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:28, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::We should definitely namespace it into Battlestar (TOS), Battlestar (VG), Battlestar (RDM). Also, we could split the RDM article into "Battlestar" as a general concept, and the unnamed Galactica-class battlestar specifically - think [[Wikipedia:Aircraft carrier|Aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Yorktown class aircraft carrier|Yorktown class aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Nimitz class aircraft carrier|Nimitz class aircraft carrier]].

::Lastly, we must find an actual link to the Zoic source on all these details if we're going to keep them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:22, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-29T05:37:35Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

I think the "fan estimate" of 6-8 Viper squads is off. According to http://galactica.tv/colonials/galacticatv.shtml, the Galactica had only 2 Viper squadrons. Since it was a museum ship, it's possible this is less than the usual complement.

-- John Reese

-------

Hi John,

Thanks for contributing! It's nice to see that the site's picking up now!

Actually, there are bits of information on the Galactica.tv (or Galactica2003.tv) website that are suspect, such as Tigh's first name being "Paul", as opposed to the canonized "Saul". We mainly use the episodes for canonical information; the Zoic, as the Colonial Archivist (Ernestborg9) can tell you, is mainly conjecture unless canonical info shows up to disprove it.

However, [[Battlestar|Battlestars]] in general carry 6-8 sqads; [[Galactica]] does carry two. (Or did, as I'm sure that the Galactica is now left with, at most, one full squadron of Mark IIs from the [[Mini-Series]], over the course of the series.)

- Joe

== Other Battlestars ==

Since the encounter of the Pegasus we have learned of another type of Battlestar,
will this page be edited in regard of this?

Another point is the appearence of the Galactica before the ship has been refitted
after the war. Is it clear that it had the appearance of the orginal show or is this
unclear?

Hardwing

: I've updated the page to reflect that this page deals primarily with the original battlestar class, of which ''Galactica'' is a member. I added a note on ''Pegasus'' and her class. There is a page for the [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, which could be edited and updated as this one as we get more technical information on that ship class. Note that only battlestars mentioned in an episode are canon; the rest technically may be made-up until then. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:00, 26 September 2005 (EDT)

==Armament Details==

* ''With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)''
* ''Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)''
** ''Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.''
** ''Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.''

This is interesting. Do you have a source for: the number of point-defense turrets, the number of rail guns, and the ''existance'' of rail guns (on-screen evidence indicates a three-rail design, which is inconsistant with the physics of a rail gun)? I don't think any of those things have been shown or mentioned on screen yet.

This line of inquiry might enable us to speculate on the Battlestar's total ammo store, if we can derive our estimates from good data. However, the concept of a Basestar sending two raider wings directly into Galactica's firing solution is a little silly. ''Galactica's'' firing solution has been used to provide cover for vipers and screen the ship from nukes, not to target enemy fightercraft directly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:55, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::''Aramaments - Defensive''
::* ''24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
::* ''512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)''

:according to the wiki entry.
:also pictures on there show the existance of the rail guns. 8 ontop. 8 on the under side of the 'crocodile head', and 8 on the underbelly.

:the Rate of Fire is all my doing however.

:can someone get me a short video of when the ship actually fires? cuz im actualy needing this much detail for something im doing (and using this wiki as a reference for).

:its guessing though i counted erm, 498 turrets myself.
:and worked out for that too , ive got those calculations somewhere.

:keeping in mind some of the personnel guns they have, that fire ate more-then-1-round-per-second (in some cases. for instance a gattling gun, while not seen onscreen they likely have one, what with theyre parralels with earth tech)..
:its more then realistic RoF for each turret no?

:asfor the rail gun RoF
:on second thought,
:ill need to re-examine the footage of the rail guns firing.
:theyre not said to be rail guns but theres a shot somewhere of 4 turrets , that resemble the rail guns, firing.
:ok ill stop now.

:thx for the, well, not going mad :)

:edit - oh sos forget this: --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT) [[Image:BSG_Ortho_Bottom.jpg|thumb]]
:::::::Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::::If you mean the ones visible in the ventral elevation, I think Talos was including those in his count. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:35, 29 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::::those are fully visible. theres 4 at the very front and 2 either side of the underbelly partially visible. ill upload the pic when i get the change.

==This Article Needs Work==

Who will join me in stripping this article of non-canon information and clearly labelling sources? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: A challenge, but I like that. Perhaps we can move the Zoic information to a new page, as it is close to canon as we've got since they are part of the production process, although little of their info can be collaborated yet. We probably need to have this page moved to "Original Battlestar" or "Battlestar (RDM)" or somehow disamb it. Or, just offload the TOS info to another page. In a way I'm also big on placing the tech stats with the other technology pages to keep it easy to edit and read for both pages. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:28, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::We should definitely namespace it into Battlestar (TOS), Battlestar (VG), Battlestar (RDM). Also, we could split the RDM article into "Battlestar" as a general concept, and the unnamed Galactica-class battlestar specifically - think [[Wikipedia:Aircraft carrier|Aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Yorktown class aircraft carrier|Yorktown class aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Nimitz class aircraft carrier|Nimitz class aircraft carrier]].

::Lastly, we must find an actual link to the Zoic source on all these details if we're going to keep them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:22, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-09-29T05:35:22Z

Alex mcpherson: /* the CNP */

Holy frak!!! Look at the SIZE of that thing! I love the look of this advanced battlestar, and hope we get a few more good looks at her and how good a fighter it is--but not against Adama, please. Pictures, pictures, pictures needed, particularly interior shots as well. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

== Fleet unit ==

I couldn't make it out - I believe the Pegasus was assigned to the [[62nd Battlestar Group]], but I can't be sure. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 13:34, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

== Pegasus Battle Group ==

It belonged to BSG 63

[[Image:Cain_Pegasus_emblem_BSG_63.jpg]]

:That's what I pointed out on the 87th BSG page before it got deleted. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 07:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::That's what it looks like to me as well. I think that we should move the BSG 75 page to just "BSG" and note it there, though, not on its own page. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:56, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

== the CNP ==

Did pegasus have it and when do you think they got rid of it?
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:02, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ron Moore's podcast mentions that in a cut scene, Cain explains that their computer systems were offline for the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:50, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: Actually, that scene was in the aired show when Adama, Roslin, and Cain sat down over drinks. Cain indicated they the ship jumped since, without the other computers, they were defenseless--the only thing online, apparently, were the navigation and/or FTL computers. Does this mean that Pegasus never had the CNP? They probably did. I bet they learned quickly and retrofit their ships immediately as they likely got the same information about the fleet's failure rates over wireless as did Galactica. It would have been impossible for Pegasus to fight Cylons otherwise. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:22, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::The CNP was quite new at the time of the mini-series. Maybe it was scheduled to be installed during the refit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::: Thats all i needed to know. so ''Mercury''-class dont have it for those that hadnt been refitted yet. that means there could be other battlestars out there..

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-29T05:19:31Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

I think the "fan estimate" of 6-8 Viper squads is off. According to http://galactica.tv/colonials/galacticatv.shtml, the Galactica had only 2 Viper squadrons. Since it was a museum ship, it's possible this is less than the usual complement.

-- John Reese

-------

Hi John,

Thanks for contributing! It's nice to see that the site's picking up now!

Actually, there are bits of information on the Galactica.tv (or Galactica2003.tv) website that are suspect, such as Tigh's first name being "Paul", as opposed to the canonized "Saul". We mainly use the episodes for canonical information; the Zoic, as the Colonial Archivist (Ernestborg9) can tell you, is mainly conjecture unless canonical info shows up to disprove it.

However, [[Battlestar|Battlestars]] in general carry 6-8 sqads; [[Galactica]] does carry two. (Or did, as I'm sure that the Galactica is now left with, at most, one full squadron of Mark IIs from the [[Mini-Series]], over the course of the series.)

- Joe

== Other Battlestars ==

Since the encounter of the Pegasus we have learned of another type of Battlestar,
will this page be edited in regard of this?

Another point is the appearence of the Galactica before the ship has been refitted
after the war. Is it clear that it had the appearance of the orginal show or is this
unclear?

Hardwing

: I've updated the page to reflect that this page deals primarily with the original battlestar class, of which ''Galactica'' is a member. I added a note on ''Pegasus'' and her class. There is a page for the [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, which could be edited and updated as this one as we get more technical information on that ship class. Note that only battlestars mentioned in an episode are canon; the rest technically may be made-up until then. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:00, 26 September 2005 (EDT)

==Armament Details==

* ''With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)''
** ''Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)''
* ''Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)''
** ''Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.''
** ''Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.''

This is interesting. Do you have a source for: the number of point-defense turrets, the number of rail guns, and the ''existance'' of rail guns (on-screen evidence indicates a three-rail design, which is inconsistant with the physics of a rail gun)? I don't think any of those things have been shown or mentioned on screen yet.

This line of inquiry might enable us to speculate on the Battlestar's total ammo store, if we can derive our estimates from good data. However, the concept of a Basestar sending two raider wings directly into Galactica's firing solution is a little silly. ''Galactica's'' firing solution has been used to provide cover for vipers and screen the ship from nukes, not to target enemy fightercraft directly. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 11:55, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::''Aramaments - Defensive''
::* ''24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
::* ''512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)''

:according to the wiki entry.
:also pictures on there show the existance of the rail guns. 8 ontop. 8 on the under side of the 'crocodile head', and 8 on the underbelly.

:the Rate of Fire is all my doing however.

:can someone get me a short video of when the ship actually fires? cuz im actualy needing this much detail for something im doing (and using this wiki as a reference for).

:its guessing though i counted erm, 498 turrets myself.
:and worked out for that too , ive got those calculations somewhere.

:keeping in mind some of the personnel guns they have, that fire ate more-then-1-round-per-second (in some cases. for instance a gattling gun, while not seen onscreen they likely have one, what with theyre parralels with earth tech)..
:its more then realistic RoF for each turret no?

:asfor the rail gun RoF
:on second thought,
:ill need to re-examine the footage of the rail guns firing.
:theyre not said to be rail guns but theres a shot somewhere of 4 turrets , that resemble the rail guns, firing.
:ok ill stop now.

:thx for the, well, not going mad :)

:edit - oh sos forget this: --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:26, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::Be careful when citing unsourced fan-estimates in your calculations. I don't think those stats on turret count should even be there without a source. This article needs some serious cleanup in that regard. As for rate of fire, that can probably be estimated by frame-stepping through the relevant effects scenes in the miniseries. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:39, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::Shall I upload my modified pics of the underbelly, top and side somewhere and link them in here for others to count? i can link to both the unmodified and the modified versions so people can compare each individual one. and asfor the frame-stepping, is there a scene of the galactica firing, upclose in the first 5 episodes? --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 14:04, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::I think it would be better for you to upload it to your own web space if possible and then post links here, if that's possible. It would be interesting to see. Close-ups on Galactica's guns firing can be found in the mini-series, and I believe the footage was reused in "33". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::I just wanted to point out that the Galactica has 20 heavy turrets, not 24. There are eight on each of the dorsal and ventral sides and four under the nose of the fore-section. You can see these on the Zoic high-res pictures of the Big G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 19:53, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::I uploaded a picture to show what I mean. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 20:09, 28 September 2005 (EDT) [[Image:BSG_Ortho_Bottom.jpg|thumb]]
:::::::Excellent. Can the smaller guns also be seen on the elevations? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:29, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
::::::::Yes, especially on the flight pod. There are other batteries along the top and bottom of the fore-section split, the top of the central hull, below the flight pods, and along both upper and lower engine pods. These are just the ones I've found though. I'll upload the other ortho views now. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 22:35, 28 September 2005 (EDT)
:::::::::Actualy i can show you where the extra 4 come from!!! they are partially hidden . 2 on either side on the crocidile head. the hull plating left on either side of the underbelly, look there and youll see the other 4. *smiles like a know-it-all. --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 01:19, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

==This Article Needs Work==

Who will join me in stripping this article of non-canon information and clearly labelling sources? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:07, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

: A challenge, but I like that. Perhaps we can move the Zoic information to a new page, as it is close to canon as we've got since they are part of the production process, although little of their info can be collaborated yet. We probably need to have this page moved to "Original Battlestar" or "Battlestar (RDM)" or somehow disamb it. Or, just offload the TOS info to another page. In a way I'm also big on placing the tech stats with the other technology pages to keep it easy to edit and read for both pages. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:28, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

::We should definitely namespace it into Battlestar (TOS), Battlestar (VG), Battlestar (RDM). Also, we could split the RDM article into "Battlestar" as a general concept, and the unnamed Galactica-class battlestar specifically - think [[Wikipedia:Aircraft carrier|Aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Yorktown class aircraft carrier|Yorktown class aircraft carrier]], [[Wikipedia:Nimitz class aircraft carrier|Nimitz class aircraft carrier]].

::Lastly, we must find an actual link to the Zoic source on all these details if we're going to keep them. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:22, 29 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T18:04:49Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:59:11Z

Alex mcpherson: /* My Part.. */

==Class Name==

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Specs==

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:No fan fiction, please. Sourced comments from Zoic (the effects guys) would be useful, and if you think you can count the armament emplacements yourself, that would be fine (although I don't think that's possible given the shots we see in "Pegasus"), but unfounded guesses don't belong here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:42, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ok.
and no i wasnt going to count the guns. and also i was just going to give a fair idea. and im glad i asked about fan fiction first ;)
cheers for your advice.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:45, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:erm, could you post places i can go for sources , ill look on [[zoic]] but i dont know any others, i dont even know where RDM's blog is. (-embarrased-). I am quite new here, though.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:16, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

== My Part.. ==

What do you think?
When changing part of it, please post here what your changing and to what so i know, as i have well, bad memory for details after reading new ones lol.
but seriously, what do you think?
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:59, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Mercury class battlestar

2005-09-28T17:58:49Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Propulsion */

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
''Mercury''-class ships are an advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]].

''Mercury''-class battlestars include the ''[[Pegasus]]'' and, presumably, the ''[[Mercury]]''.

{{stub}}
''From here down is [[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] version, posted 13:54, 28 September 2005 (EDT). please edit to correct as i am using the episode pegasus for reference and even then what i remember from watching it, ill rewatch it when i have time.''

===Overview===
The ''Mercury''-class ships are an Advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. Unlike the original battlestars, later vessels did include networked systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

While the term "battlestar" was also used to describe these newer vessels, it is apparent that there are other battlestar classes with subtle or significant design or dimensional changes. While this article primarily discusses the ''Mercury''-class battlestar design, ofwhich the [[Pegasus]] is, there is at least one other battlestar class: The as-yet unnamed [[battlestar]], of which ''[[Galactica]]'' is a member.

The structural look of the ''Mercury''-class is significantly different to the Original Battlestar.
for instance, the neck section seems to be smaller, and the flight pods are more, "boxy" then those of the original.

Following the [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] by the Cylons on the Colonials, [[Pegasus]] while at the Scorpion shipyards, Performed a [[blind jump]]. since then the ''Pegasus'' had been raiding cylon ships/installations then following the refugee fleet led by ''Galactica''.

Since the ''Pegasus'' had successfully raided Cylons, it is thought that the hull of ''Mercury''-class ships is stronger then that of original ''battlestar'' class ships, although the fact ''Pegasus'' didnt engage cylons till they probably removed the [[Command Navigation Program]] (Dubbed "CNP") -if it had it at all- may be the only reason they survived, and indeed have identical armor ratings. (fan observation)
Also the fact that most of her networked computer systems, particularly defensive controls, were offline pending a refit, may indicate they didnt have the CNP system installed. when the attack started.

While original battlestars are space-going leviathans, some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), the size of the ''Mercury'' class has to be judged by onscreen evidence. 

The [[Viper]] Compliment of the ''Mercury'' class seems to be entirely of Mark VII's, while the number they carry would likely be the same as the original ''battlestar''.
The Class also likely has a Defensive armament comparable to the original ''battlestar'' although this is just conjecture.

The ''Mercury''-class is most likely extrememly maneuverable like the original, and can dock with space stations. (Admiral [[Nelena Cain]] states that they were stationed at [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] undergoing refit.) The Design of the ''Mercury''-class does not allow it to enter a planet's atmosphere but the class can most likely manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragner]].

The ''Mercury''-class [[FTL]] systems are likely capable of incredibly-accurate Jumps, (see the [[battlestar]] entry for more information)

Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply, so the ''Mercury''-class should be no different. Their water purification capabilities are likely identical in capability to the original ''battlestar'', and similar capabilities as described in the [[battlestar]] Entry.

=== Technical Specifications of the Original Battlestar ===

==== Dimensions ====
please note that dimensions stated below are mere estimations and are not sourced from anything but onscreen evidence.
Hull:
* Length: 3,000-5,000ft
* Beam: 1,000-2,500ft (flight pod to flight pod)
* Draft: 500-700ft

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,000ft
* Beam (approx): 250-350ft
* Draft (approx): 200-250ft

==== Propulsion ====

* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils (Based on the [[Battlestar]] Specifications)
* 8 x sublight engines (observed - [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])
* 40 of manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece) (Estimation basedon the battlestar specifications)

==== Armaments - Defensive ====
* Railgun turrets - Unknown Number
* Point-defense turrets - Unknown Number

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 4 squadrons of Mark VII "[[Viper]]" atmosphere-capable space superiority fighters (fan estimate)
* 10 "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance/assault vehicles (fan estimate).

==== Crew ====
* Ship's company: 2,000 (series)
** Officers (TBA)
** Enlisted (TBA)

==== Notes ====

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of the Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for the Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of the ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Layout ===
The battlestar design common to all Battlestar classes (Observed) can be broken down into two main sections:

*Main Hull
*Flight Pods

==== Main Hull, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

*"Alligator head", containing the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]); water storage tanks
*Midships area: containing the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment, Vipers, personnel, etc. All the necessary hoists for such transfers; main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc.
*Stern section: sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that all 8 of the sublight engines are mounted in distinctive nacelles of their own, compared to the original which had only 4 , external and 2 between the nacelles.

The main hull houses all of a battlestar's offensive railguns, and also has a number of point-defence batteries mounted around it.

==== Flight Pods, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====
These are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods maybe retract against the hull, to provide a smaller cross-section for the battlestar during the jump itself. Wether it does this is unknown but looks like to doesnt.

*Each flight pod, if identical in length to the original battlestar is approximately 2,000ft in length and has a maximum beam of some 400ft (fan estimates)
*Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which liekly provide 40 launch tubes per pod (fan estimate.)
*The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s, approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage
*The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles
*Each hanger bay is likely large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, up to and including vessels classified as "heavy" (such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'')
*The ''Mercury''-class's Pods may additionally contain a number of a battlestar's point-defence railguns - actual locations are unknown.
*The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into sections for damage control purposes. Each hangar bay section has launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations
*Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes each

Other facilities within the pods include fuel storage areas for the Vipers and Raptors (and potentially for refuelling large vessels docked within the landing bays); munitions stores for Viper weeaponry; munitions stores for the point-defence railguns; parts stores for maintaining Vipers and Raptors, etc.

=== List of Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars in the Re-Imagined Series ===

Of these ships, viewers have seen only the ''Pegasus'' thus far. The class or design of other mentioned battlestars has not yet aired in an episode. In the [[Mini-Series]], as [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii]] descend to [[Caprica]] for an emergency landing, they pass by a massive debris field orbiting the planet. In this debris is the wreck of a battlestar, its hull burning and back broken. The full design or name of this ship is not known.

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'' (It is presumed that there is a vessel named ''Mercury'' given the name of the ''Mercury''-class)
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship]])

[[Category:A to Z]] [[Category:Colonial Craft]] [[Category:Colonial Military]] [[Category:RDM]] [[Category:Technology]] [[Category:Battlestars|*]]

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:57:06Z

Alex mcpherson: My Part..

Mercury class battlestar

2005-09-28T17:54:54Z

Alex mcpherson:

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
''Mercury''-class ships are an advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]].

''Mercury''-class battlestars include the ''[[Pegasus]]'' and, presumably, the ''[[Mercury]]''.

{{stub}}
''From here down is [[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] version, posted 13:54, 28 September 2005 (EDT). please edit to correct as i am using the episode pegasus for reference and even then what i remember from watching it, ill rewatch it when i have time.''

===Overview===
The ''Mercury''-class ships are an Advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. Unlike the original battlestars, later vessels did include networked systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

While the term "battlestar" was also used to describe these newer vessels, it is apparent that there are other battlestar classes with subtle or significant design or dimensional changes. While this article primarily discusses the ''Mercury''-class battlestar design, ofwhich the [[Pegasus]] is, there is at least one other battlestar class: The as-yet unnamed [[battlestar]], of which ''[[Galactica]]'' is a member.

The structural look of the ''Mercury''-class is significantly different to the Original Battlestar.
for instance, the neck section seems to be smaller, and the flight pods are more, "boxy" then those of the original.

Following the [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] by the Cylons on the Colonials, [[Pegasus]] while at the Scorpion shipyards, Performed a [[blind jump]]. since then the ''Pegasus'' had been raiding cylon ships/installations then following the refugee fleet led by ''Galactica''.

Since the ''Pegasus'' had successfully raided Cylons, it is thought that the hull of ''Mercury''-class ships is stronger then that of original ''battlestar'' class ships, although the fact ''Pegasus'' didnt engage cylons till they probably removed the [[Command Navigation Program]] (Dubbed "CNP") -if it had it at all- may be the only reason they survived, and indeed have identical armor ratings. (fan observation)
Also the fact that most of her networked computer systems, particularly defensive controls, were offline pending a refit, may indicate they didnt have the CNP system installed. when the attack started.

While original battlestars are space-going leviathans, some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), the size of the ''Mercury'' class has to be judged by onscreen evidence. 

The [[Viper]] Compliment of the ''Mercury'' class seems to be entirely of Mark VII's, while the number they carry would likely be the same as the original ''battlestar''.
The Class also likely has a Defensive armament comparable to the original ''battlestar'' although this is just conjecture.

The ''Mercury''-class is most likely extrememly maneuverable like the original, and can dock with space stations. (Admiral [[Nelena Cain]] states that they were stationed at [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] undergoing refit.) The Design of the ''Mercury''-class does not allow it to enter a planet's atmosphere but the class can most likely manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragner]].

The ''Mercury''-class [[FTL]] systems are likely capable of incredibly-accurate Jumps, (see the [[battlestar]] entry for more information)

Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply, so the ''Mercury''-class should be no different. Their water purification capabilities are likely identical in capability to the original ''battlestar'', and similar capabilities as described in the [[battlestar]] Entry.

=== Technical Specifications of the Original Battlestar ===

==== Dimensions ====
please note that dimensions stated below are mere estimations and are not sourced from anything but onscreen evidence.
Hull:
* Length: 3,000-5,000ft
* Beam: 1,000-2,500ft (flight pod to flight pod)
* Draft: 500-700ft

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,000ft
* Beam (approx): 250-350ft
* Draft (approx): 200-250ft

==== Propulsion ====

* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils (Based on the [[Battlestar]] Specifications)
* 8 x sublight engines (observed - [[Pegasus (Episode)]])
* 40 of manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece) (Estimation basedon the battlestar specifications)

==== Armaments - Defensive ====
* Railgun turrets - Unknown Number
* Point-defense turrets - Unknown Number

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 4 squadrons of Mark VII "[[Viper]]" atmosphere-capable space superiority fighters (fan estimate)
* 10 "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance/assault vehicles (fan estimate).

==== Crew ====
* Ship's company: 2,000 (series)
** Officers (TBA)
** Enlisted (TBA)

==== Notes ====

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of the Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for the Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of the ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Layout ===
The battlestar design common to all Battlestar classes (Observed) can be broken down into two main sections:

*Main Hull
*Flight Pods

==== Main Hull, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

*"Alligator head", containing the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]); water storage tanks
*Midships area: containing the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment, Vipers, personnel, etc. All the necessary hoists for such transfers; main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc.
*Stern section: sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that all 8 of the sublight engines are mounted in distinctive nacelles of their own, compared to the original which had only 4 , external and 2 between the nacelles.

The main hull houses all of a battlestar's offensive railguns, and also has a number of point-defence batteries mounted around it.

==== Flight Pods, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====
These are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods maybe retract against the hull, to provide a smaller cross-section for the battlestar during the jump itself. Wether it does this is unknown but looks like to doesnt.

*Each flight pod, if identical in length to the original battlestar is approximately 2,000ft in length and has a maximum beam of some 400ft (fan estimates)
*Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which liekly provide 40 launch tubes per pod (fan estimate.)
*The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s, approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage
*The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles
*Each hanger bay is likely large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, up to and including vessels classified as "heavy" (such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'')
*The ''Mercury''-class's Pods may additionally contain a number of a battlestar's point-defence railguns - actual locations are unknown.
*The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into sections for damage control purposes. Each hangar bay section has launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations
*Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes each

Other facilities within the pods include fuel storage areas for the Vipers and Raptors (and potentially for refuelling large vessels docked within the landing bays); munitions stores for Viper weeaponry; munitions stores for the point-defence railguns; parts stores for maintaining Vipers and Raptors, etc.

=== List of Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars in the Re-Imagined Series ===

Of these ships, viewers have seen only the ''Pegasus'' thus far. The class or design of other mentioned battlestars has not yet aired in an episode. In the [[Mini-Series]], as [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii]] descend to [[Caprica]] for an emergency landing, they pass by a massive debris field orbiting the planet. In this debris is the wreck of a battlestar, its hull burning and back broken. The full design or name of this ship is not known.

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'' (It is presumed that there is a vessel named ''Mercury'' given the name of the ''Mercury''-class)
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship]])

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Mercury class battlestar

2005-09-28T17:54:13Z

Alex mcpherson:

[[Image:Pegasus_beauty_shot_.jpg|thumb|The ''Mercury''-class battlestar, ''Pegasus'']]
''Mercury''-class ships are an advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]].

''Mercury''-class battlestars include the ''[[Pegasus]]'' and, presumably, the ''[[Mercury]]''.

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''From here down is --[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:54, 28 September 2005 (EDT) version. please edit to correct as i am using the episode pegasus for reference and even then what i remember from watching it, ill rewatch it when i have time.''

===Overview===
The ''Mercury''-class ships are an Advanced type of [[battlestar]] introduced into the [[Colonial Fleet]] sometime after the First [[Cylon War]]

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. Unlike the original battlestars, later vessels did include networked systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

While the term "battlestar" was also used to describe these newer vessels, it is apparent that there are other battlestar classes with subtle or significant design or dimensional changes. While this article primarily discusses the ''Mercury''-class battlestar design, ofwhich the [[Pegasus]] is, there is at least one other battlestar class: The as-yet unnamed [[battlestar]], of which ''[[Galactica]]'' is a member.

The structural look of the ''Mercury''-class is significantly different to the Original Battlestar.
for instance, the neck section seems to be smaller, and the flight pods are more, "boxy" then those of the original.

Following the [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] by the Cylons on the Colonials, [[Pegasus]] while at the Scorpion shipyards, Performed a [[blind jump]]. since then the ''Pegasus'' had been raiding cylon ships/installations then following the refugee fleet led by ''Galactica''.

Since the ''Pegasus'' had successfully raided Cylons, it is thought that the hull of ''Mercury''-class ships is stronger then that of original ''battlestar'' class ships, although the fact ''Pegasus'' didnt engage cylons till they probably removed the [[Command Navigation Program]] (Dubbed "CNP") -if it had it at all- may be the only reason they survived, and indeed have identical armor ratings. (fan observation)
Also the fact that most of her networked computer systems, particularly defensive controls, were offline pending a refit, may indicate they didnt have the CNP system installed. when the attack started.

While original battlestars are space-going leviathans, some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), the size of the ''Mercury'' class has to be judged by onscreen evidence. 

The [[Viper]] Compliment of the ''Mercury'' class seems to be entirely of Mark VII's, while the number they carry would likely be the same as the original ''battlestar''.
The Class also likely has a Defensive armament comparable to the original ''battlestar'' although this is just conjecture.

The ''Mercury''-class is most likely extrememly maneuverable like the original, and can dock with space stations. (Admiral [[Nelena Cain]] states that they were stationed at [[Scorpion Ship Yards]] undergoing refit.) The Design of the ''Mercury''-class does not allow it to enter a planet's atmosphere but the class can most likely manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragner]].

The ''Mercury''-class [[FTL]] systems are likely capable of incredibly-accurate Jumps, (see the [[battlestar]] entry for more information)

Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply, so the ''Mercury''-class should be no different. Their water purification capabilities are likely identical in capability to the original ''battlestar'', and similar capabilities as described in the [[battlestar]] Entry.

=== Technical Specifications of the Original Battlestar ===

==== Dimensions ====
please note that dimensions stated below are mere estimations and are not sourced from anything but onscreen evidence.
Hull:
* Length: 3,000-5,000ft
* Beam: 1,000-2,500ft (flight pod to flight pod)
* Draft: 500-700ft

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,000ft
* Beam (approx): 250-350ft
* Draft (approx): 200-250ft

==== Propulsion ====

* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils (Based on the [[Battlestar]] Specifications)
* 8 x sublight engines (observed - [[Pegasus (Episode)]])
* 40 of manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece) (Estimation basedon the battlestar specifications)

==== Armaments - Defensive ====
* Railgun turrets - Unknown Number
* Point-defense turrets - Unknown Number

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 4 squadrons of Mark VII "[[Viper]]" atmosphere-capable space superiority fighters (fan estimate)
* 10 "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance/assault vehicles (fan estimate).

==== Crew ====
* Ship's company: 2,000 (series)
** Officers (TBA)
** Enlisted (TBA)

==== Notes ====

According to David Eick's video blog, it would have been impossible to afford creating new sets for the entire interior of the Pegasus on the budget of an episodic television show. This expense was circumvented when a year beforehand Ron D. Moore and David Eick bought (for next to nothing) the abandoned sets of the failed pilot for the FOX network's "Lost In Space" remake, directed by John Woo. The production team then held onto the sets hoping to find some later use for them, until later using them for the Pegasus. The sets were then radically redesigned and painted to give them the aesthetic look of the ''Galactica'', but sleeker and more advanced.

=== Layout ===
The battlestar design common to all Battlestar classes (Observed) can be broken down into two main sections:

*Main Hull
*Flight Pods

==== Main Hull, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

*"Alligator head", containing the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]); water storage tanks
*Midships area: containing the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment, Vipers, personnel, etc. All the necessary hoists for such transfers; main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc.
*Stern section: sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that all 8 of the sublight engines are mounted in distinctive nacelles of their own, compared to the original which had only 4 , external and 2 between the nacelles.

The main hull houses all of a battlestar's offensive railguns, and also has a number of point-defence batteries mounted around it.

==== Flight Pods, ''Mercury''-class Battlestar ====
These are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods maybe retract against the hull, to provide a smaller cross-section for the battlestar during the jump itself. Wether it does this is unknown but looks like to doesnt.

*Each flight pod, if identical in length to the original battlestar is approximately 2,000ft in length and has a maximum beam of some 400ft (fan estimates)
*Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which liekly provide 40 launch tubes per pod (fan estimate.)
*The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s, approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage
*The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles
*Each hanger bay is likely large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, up to and including vessels classified as "heavy" (such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'')
*The ''Mercury''-class's Pods may additionally contain a number of a battlestar's point-defence railguns - actual locations are unknown.
*The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into sections for damage control purposes. Each hangar bay section has launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations
*Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes each

Other facilities within the pods include fuel storage areas for the Vipers and Raptors (and potentially for refuelling large vessels docked within the landing bays); munitions stores for Viper weeaponry; munitions stores for the point-defence railguns; parts stores for maintaining Vipers and Raptors, etc.

=== List of Known ''Mercury''-class Battlestars in the Re-Imagined Series ===

Of these ships, viewers have seen only the ''Pegasus'' thus far. The class or design of other mentioned battlestars has not yet aired in an episode. In the [[Mini-Series]], as [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii]] descend to [[Caprica]] for an emergency landing, they pass by a massive debris field orbiting the planet. In this debris is the wreck of a battlestar, its hull burning and back broken. The full design or name of this ship is not known.

*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'' (It is presumed that there is a vessel named ''Mercury'' given the name of the ''Mercury''-class)
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship]])

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Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:17:08Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Specs */

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:16:44Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Specs */

==Class Name==

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Specs==

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:No fan fiction, please. Sourced comments from Zoic (the effects guys) would be useful, and if you think you can count the armament emplacements yourself, that would be fine (although I don't think that's possible given the shots we see in "Pegasus"), but unfounded guesses don't belong here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:42, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ok.
and no i wasnt going to count the guns. and also i was just going to give a fair idea. and im glad i asked about fan fiction first ;)
cheers for your advice.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:45, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:erm, could you post places i can go for sources , ill look on [[zoic]] but i dont know any others, i dont even know where RDM's blog is 
(-embarrased-). I am quite new here, though.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:16, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:16:33Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Specs */

==Class Name==

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Specs==

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:No fan fiction, please. Sourced comments from Zoic (the effects guys) would be useful, and if you think you can count the armament emplacements yourself, that would be fine (although I don't think that's possible given the shots we see in "Pegasus"), but unfounded guesses don't belong here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:42, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ok.
and no i wasnt going to count the guns. and also i was just going to give a fair idea. and im glad i asked about fan fiction first ;)
cheers for your advice.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:45, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:erm, could you post places i can go for sources , ill look on [[zoic]] but i dont know any others, i dont even know where RDM's blog is 
(-embarrased-). I am quite new here, though.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:16, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:16:10Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Specs */

==Class Name==

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

==Specs==

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:No fan fiction, please. Sourced comments from Zoic (the effects guys) would be useful, and if you think you can count the armament emplacements yourself, that would be fine (although I don't think that's possible given the shots we see in "Pegasus"), but unfounded guesses don't belong here. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:42, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Ok.
and no i wasnt going to count the guns. and also i was just going to give a fair idea. and im glad i asked about fan fiction first ;)
cheers for your advice.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:45, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

:erm, could you post places i can go for sources , ill look on [[zoic]] but i dont know any others, i dont even know where RDM's blog is
(-embarrased-). I am quite new here, though.
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 13:16, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:02:51Z

Alex mcpherson: /* the CNP */

Talk:Pegasus (TRS)/Archive 1

2005-09-28T17:02:41Z

Alex mcpherson: the CNP

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:45:54Z

Alex mcpherson:

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:26:40Z

Alex mcpherson: /* the Armaments */

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:25:26Z

Alex mcpherson:

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

----

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

----

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Mercury class battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:24:59Z

Alex mcpherson:

So was this actually mentioned in the episode, or is it officially heresay? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:01, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

RDM officially christens Pegasus a Mercury-class vessel in the blog for the episode. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 04:29, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

Tomorow ill add to this for basic specs.
(ill have to borrow the [[Battlestar]] page for a template.
ill start one the template in notepad here however.
when i put it up, please be gentle :)

oh and ill add in a section for fan-fiction if you want..
--[[User:Alex mcpherson|Alex mcpherson]] 12:24, 28 September 2005 (EDT)

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:13:17Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Armament Details */

Talk:Battlestar/Archive 1

2005-09-28T16:12:51Z

Alex mcpherson: the Armaments

Battlestar

2005-09-28T15:30:55Z

Alex mcpherson: /* Notes */

[[Image:Bsg-bsg-1.jpg|thumb|Original Colonial Battlestar (credit: Zoic)]]

==[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]==

===Overview===
A '''Battlestar''' is a capital Colonial warship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and battleship.

The original five battlestars were laid down shortly before the start of the first [[Cylon War]] and saw action in the early years of the war ([[Mini-Series]]). Seven further battlestars were constructed during the war ([[Zoic]]), leading to a total fleet size of twelve, one battlestar representing each of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]).

All the original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of highly-integrated or networked computer systems, as the [[Cylons]] were able to infiltrate and subvert such systems, disabling Colonial defensive capabilities ([[Mini-Series]]).

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. Unlike the original battlestars, later vessels did include networked systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

While the term "battlestar" was also used to describe these newer vessels, it is apparent that there are other battlestar classes with subtle or significant design or dimensional changes. While this article primarily discusses the original battlestar design like that of ''Galactica'', there is at least one other battlestar class: The [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, of which ''[[Pegasus]]'' is a member.

Several of the original twelve vessels were also upgraded ([[Mini-Series]]), with the exception of battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'', which retained its original command and control systems at the insistence of Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and presumably other commanders before him, since constant massive retrofitting and refitting would be detrimental to the ship's active status and mission.

There was a structural upgrade phase where an extra layer of defensive compartmentalized armor was added. ''Galactica'' (of Battlestar Group BSG-75) was cannibalized of much of the second layer as an economic way to keep the remaining fleet operational in preparation for her decommissioning.

Possibly as a result of her "original" condition, ''Galactica'' was selected to become a living museum / educational center once decommissioned ([[Mini-Series]]). Following the [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] by the Cylons on the Colonials, ''Galactica'' was left as the only battlestar known to be capable of mounting a counter-offensive, although she was initially hampered by the lack of any defensive munitions on-board. While ''[[Pegasus]]'' also escaped the Cylon onslaught, most of her networked computer systems, particularly her defensive controls, were offline pending a refit, so the ship was essentially helpless. ''Pegasus'' escaped certain destruction by making a [[Blind jump]] ([[Pegasus (episode)]]).

Original battlestars are space-going leviathans. Some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), they combine the role of a modern airacraft carrier with that of a battle cruiser. Housing some 80 "[[Viper]]" space superiority fighters arranged in 4 squadrons of 20 apiece, a fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack, and of engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable ([[Mini-Series]] and can dock with space stations such as the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] depot. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]]. A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of incredibly-accurate Jumps, able to place them precisely in synchronous orbit above any point on a planet ([[Mini-Series]]) and of placing them in the midst of debris fields, such as an asteroid belt, without risk of a devastating impact ([[The Hand of God]]) or dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]).

Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate without re-tanking "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Mini-Series]]), and may well have small manufacturing/fabrication facilities on-board ([[Litmus]]).

=== Technical Specifications of the Original Battlestar ===

==== Dimensions ====
Hull:
* Length (approx): (4,640ft) (1,414.2 meters)
* Beam (approx): 1,820ft (554.736 meters) (flight pod to flight pod - extended)
* Draft (approx): 585ft (178.308 meters)

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,019ft (615.391 meters) HI
* Beam (approx): 360ft (109.728 meters)
* Draft (approx): 211ft (64.3128 meters)

==== Propulsion ====

* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils (series)
* 4 x sublight engines (observed - [[33]])
* 40 x manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece) (Zoic)

==== Aramaments - Defensive ====
* 24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
* 512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 4 squadrons of Mark VII "[[Viper]]" atmosphere-capable space superiority fighters (fan estimate)
* 10 "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance/assault vehicles (fan estimate).

==== Crew ====
* Ship's company: 2,000 (series)
** Officers (TBA)
** Enlisted (TBA)

==== Notes ====

[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|Battlestar / CVN comparison (credit: Zoic / VF)]]

* Commander Adama stated that he had close to 2,000 people on ''Galactica'' when he confronted [[Leoben Conoy]] on Ragnar station.
* A Colonial fighter squadron is comprised of 20 [[Viper]]s and is generally supported by a single [[Raptor]].
* Raptors can also be used to deploy Colonial Marine detachments to the surface of planets or to storm other vessels. Raptors are equipped with a docking collar and accessway in their undersides for the latter. (''[[Bastille Day]]'')
* Viper operations are overseen by the [[CAG]] - 'Commander, Air Group', the most senior pilot aboard a battlestar.
* An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from the following:
** An original battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:USS Nimitz|''Nimitz'']]-class US Navy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
** The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of a ''Nimitz'' class carrier, is some 150ft wider and is approximately as tall as a ''Nimitz'' class carrier measured from the waterline to the top of the carrier's communications and [[ELINT]] tower
** The beam of an original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as a ''Nimitz''-class carrier's flight deck is long
** Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to house a ''Nimitz''-class carrier.
* With 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more. (fan estimation.)
** Assuming a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equates to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. Thats alot. (fan estimation.)
** Considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. If targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. It would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. That isn't accounting for maneuverability of the raider however. (fan estimation.)
* Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will. Atleast 960 Rounds per minute (1 round per 3 seconds)
** Onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). Going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.
** Due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. This means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. If this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. Thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar! Thats if every shot is a direct hit.

=== Layout ===
[[Image:Bsg-gal-3.jpg|thumb|Original Battlestar forward view (credit: Zoic)]]

The original battlestar design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections:

*Main Hull
*Flight Pods

==== Main Hull, Original Battlestar ====

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

*"Alligator head", containing the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]); water storage tanks
*Midships area: containing the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment, Vipers, personnel, etc. All the necessary hoists for such transfers; main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc.
*Stern section: sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that 4 of the sublight engines are mounted in distinctive nacelles of their own, with 2 more mounted between the nacelles, in the stern of the battlestar. The FTL drive coils appear to be mounted between the drive pods and between the hull-mounted sublight engines and the midships section of a battlestar.

The main hull houses all of a battlestar's offensive railguns, and also has a number of point-defence batteries mounted around it.

The manoeuvring thruster packs are located in the port / starboard bows of the "alligator head" (4 thrusters apiece), and on the port / starboard extremities of the four sublight engine nacelles (2 "packs" of 4 thrusters per nacelles).

==== Flight Pods, Original Battlestar ====
These are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, to provide a smaller cross-section for the battlestar during the jump itself.

*Each flight pod is approximately 2,000ft in length and has a maximum beam of some 360ft (fan estimates)
*Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod ([[Zoic]])
*The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s, approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage
*The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles
*Each hanger bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, up to and including vessels classified as "heavy" (such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'')
*Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurised connection between an docked vessel and the battlestar
*Pods additionally contain a number of a battlestar's point-defence railguns - one turret being mounted above each Viper launch tube, and others being set along the length of the pod itself
*The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into five sections for damage control puroposes. Each hangar bay section has eight launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations
*Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes each

Other facilities within the pods include fuel storage areas for the Vipers and Raptors (and potentially for refuelling large vessels docked within the landing bays); munitions stores for Viper weeaponry; munitions stores for the point-defence railguns; parts stores for maintaining Vipers and Raptors, etc.

=== List of Known Battlestars in the Re-Imagined Series ===

Of these ships, viewers have seen only ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' thus far. The class or design of other mentioned battlestars has not yet aired in an episode. In the [[Mini-Series]], as [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii]] descend to [[Caprica]] for an emergency landing, they pass by a massive debris field orbiting the planet. In this debris is the wreck of a battlestar, its hull burning and back broken. The full design or name of this ship is not known. The source for each battlestar name here is from [[Zoic]], unless otherwise noted. Note that the Zoic source is not considered [[canon]] as information for these names may been provided to the special-effects company by [[TPTB]], but the names have not been mentioned in an aired episode as of mid-Season 2. The names of original battlestars, according to Zoic, are shown here in '''bold.'''

*Battlestar ''[[Acropolis]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Argo]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]'' ([[Mini-Series]], [[Act of Contrition]], [[Resistance]])
*Battlestar ''[[Columbia]]'' ([[Mini-Series]], [[Resistance]])
*Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'' (It is presumed that there is a vessel named ''Mercury'' given the name of the [[Mercury-class|class]])
*Battlestar ''[[Pacifica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship]])
*Battlestar ''[[Poseidon]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Prometheus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Rycon]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Solaria]]'' ([[Mini-Series]])
*Battlestar ''[[Triton]]'' ([[Mini-Series]])

==[[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]==
[[Image:tos_atlantia.jpg|thumb|Original Series Battlestar (credit: Universal / ABC)]]

This section requires expansion

===Overview===
In the original series, battlestars were the direct response to the on-going war with the Cylons. The first battlestars were introduced into Colonial forces around 500 yahren into the war, and proved formidable when placed against the technically-superior Cylon basestars, although at least two battlestars were totally destroyed during significant battles, and a third, the [[Pegasus]], was believed to have been destroyed at the [[Battle of Molecay (TOS)|Battle of Molecay]].

===Technical Specifications===
Hull:
* Length (approx): 4,143-4,166ft
* Beam (approx): 1,672ft (flight pod to flight pod)

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 1,977ft
* Beam (approx): 351ft

==== Propulsion & Power ====

* 2 x FTL engines
* 2 x sublight engines
* 2 x Solium main energizers (Fire in Space)

==== Aramaments - Defensive ====
* 15 x laser batteries (series)
* 12 x Solonite air-to-air missiles
* 1 x Heavy Mega Pulsar Cannons

Note - laser armament from a weapons panel showing the top row with nine "ACTIVATE LASER TURRETS" and the bottom row with six "LATERAL LASERS" switches.

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 75 Viper (Starhound class) fighters
* 12 Landram (Scarab class) armoured ground vehicles
* plus six unarmed shuttlecraft

==== Crew ====
* 496 - 1,012

====Notes on Dimensions====
[[Image:Tos-gal-dim.jpg|thumb|Calculating a Battlestar's size (credit: Todd Boyce / Universal ABC)]]

The length and beam figures given here are based on research carried out by [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html Todd Boyce], a computer animator. There are many differing claims to the actual size of the original battlestars, ranging from some 2,000 (accepted length in a number of gaming systems) through to 2-3 miles in overall length.

Interviews with [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]] and [[Dykstra, John|John Dykstra]], the [[Visual Effects]] supervisor for the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] stated that the original ''[[Galactica#Original Series Galactica|Galactica]]'' was around a mile long. If the scale of the master model used for filming was set at 1/960, then the overall length of the ''Galactica'' and her sister ships would be some 6,080ft - or one [[Wikipeadia:Nautical Mile|nautical mile]]. However, there is no confirmation available that 1/960 (1 inch = 80ft) was in fact the scale of the model, and the figures have thus been "back engineered" to fit the case.

In undertaking his work, Boyce utilised an established baseline for his calculations: the full-size mock-up of a Viper built for filming purposes. This mock-up measured some 28.5ft in length and a wingspan of some 12.5ft, and formed a means by which Boyce could take key shots from various episodes, combine them with a scale model of the ''Galactica'' and extrapolate a reasonably-consistent set of measurements. Thus: using film footage alone, Boyce was able to determine the length of the ''Galactica'' to be some 4,143ft, while use of a scale model produced a figure of some 4,166ft: an acceptable difference of some 23ft. What is more, these measurements appear consistent with the overall size of the Viper launch tubes (calculated at some 16ft in diameter, based on the wingspan of the full-size mock-up and images of Vipers being launched).

Given this degree of similarity in final calculations, these figures have been adopted here as the probable dimensions of the original series battlestars. However, in using these figures, it should be noted that:

* Boyce also used a [[Cylon Raider#Original Series Raider|Cylon Raider]] as a benchmark for his calculations, and produced an overall length for the ''Galactica'' at between 12,818ft and 21,210ft (2.4 and 4 miles). However, these measurements can be discounted on the grounds that:
** They are initially based on assumed data: a shot of a Cylon Raider apparently "overflying" a Colonial Viper. However, no vertical separation distance between the two can be calculated, leading to a completely arbitrary figure (39ft) for the wingspan of the Raider
** These figures would yield launch tubes between some 50ft and 82ft in diameter - which is clearly not supported by film of Viper launches.
* Boyce also used close-up shots of Viper launches to try and calculate the size of the ''Galactica'', and arrived at a figure of 2,712ft, with the flight pods measuring 1,294ft. However, these figures cannot be taken at face value, as they would render the Viper launch tubes with a 10.4ft diameter, making them too small to contain Vipers.

===Myth of the Twelve Battlestars===
Within fan circles, it has always been assumed there were twelve battlestars. Given there are [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]], and a [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]], twelve battlestars was perhaps seen as a logical extension of the motif of twelve. However, [[Glen A. Larson]] has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the [[TOS Battlestar Galactica|original series]] ever mention there only being twelve battlestars; indeed, only eight battlestars were specifically mentioned within the series. Given the length of the human / Cylon war, it seems only logical that overall, far more than twelve of these warships were constructed.

====List of Known Battlestars====
The eight battlestars specifically mentioned in the original series are:

* ''[[Atlantia]]'' - destroyed by the Cylons at [[Cimtar (TOS)|Cimtar]] ([[Saga of a Star World]])
* ''[[Acropolis]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon
* ''[[Columbia]]'' - destroyed prior to the events at Cimtar ([[The gun on ice planet zero]])
* ''[[Galactica#Original Series Galactica|Galactica]]''
* ''[[Pacifica]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon
* ''[[Pegasus]]'' - presumed destroyed at the [[Battle of Molecay (TOS)|Battle of Molecay]] ([[The Living Legend]])
* ''[[Rycon]]'' - destroyed at the [[Battle of the Cosmara Archipelago (TOS)|Battle of the Cosmara Archipelago]] ([[Take the Celestra]])
* ''[[Triton]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon

The Costume Department at New West has indicated that three further battlestars may have been referenced had the show been renewed: the ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Cerberus]]'' and ''[[Prometheus]]''.

==[[Video Game]]==

The battlestars of the video game were essentially the same as in the original series; there were a great many of them, they were used en-masse in the [[Cylon War]], and they had existed for 500 years. The major differences were that they had been built centuries before the Cylon attack, and the rigors of the war had necessitated that alien technology be used in repairing them.

Six are mentioned in the game:
*Battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Columbia]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Perseus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Rycon]]''

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Battlestar

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[[Image:Bsg-bsg-1.jpg|thumb|Original Colonial Battlestar (credit: Zoic)]]

==[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]==

===Overview===
A '''Battlestar''' is a capital Colonial warship that combines the functions of aircraft carrier and battleship.

The original five battlestars were laid down shortly before the start of the first [[Cylon War]] and saw action in the early years of the war ([[Mini-Series]]). Seven further battlestars were constructed during the war ([[Zoic]]), leading to a total fleet size of twelve, one battlestar representing each of the [[Twelve Colonies]] ([[Mini-Series]]).

All the original battlestar vessels deliberately avoided the use of highly-integrated or networked computer systems, as the [[Cylons]] were able to infiltrate and subvert such systems, disabling Colonial defensive capabilities ([[Mini-Series]]).

Following the end of the war, the original battlestars remained in service, and other battlestars were built. Their numbers steadily increased to a grand total of 120 ships in the Colonial Fleet. Unlike the original battlestars, later vessels did include networked systems ([[Mini-Series]]).

While the term "battlestar" was also used to describe these newer vessels, it is apparent that there are other battlestar classes with subtle or significant design or dimensional changes. While this article primarily discusses the original battlestar design like that of ''Galactica'', there is at least one other battlestar class: The [[Mercury-class]] battlestar, of which ''[[Pegasus]]'' is a member.

Several of the original twelve vessels were also upgraded ([[Mini-Series]]), with the exception of battlestar ''[[Galactica]]'', which retained its original command and control systems at the insistence of Commander [[Adama, William|William Adama]], and presumably other commanders before him, since constant massive retrofitting and refitting would be detrimental to the ship's active status and mission.

There was a structural upgrade phase where an extra layer of defensive compartmentalized armor was added. ''Galactica'' (of Battlestar Group BSG-75) was cannibalized of much of the second layer as an economic way to keep the remaining fleet operational in preparation for her decommissioning.

Possibly as a result of her "original" condition, ''Galactica'' was selected to become a living museum / educational center once decommissioned ([[Mini-Series]]). Following the [[Cylon Attack|surprise attack]] by the Cylons on the Colonials, ''Galactica'' was left as the only battlestar known to be capable of mounting a counter-offensive, although she was initially hampered by the lack of any defensive munitions on-board. While ''[[Pegasus]]'' also escaped the Cylon onslaught, most of her networked computer systems, particularly her defensive controls, were offline pending a refit, so the ship was essentially helpless. ''Pegasus'' escaped certain destruction by making a [[Blind jump]] ([[Pegasus (episode)]]).

Original battlestars are space-going leviathans. Some 4,640ft in length ([[Zoic]]), they combine the role of a modern airacraft carrier with that of a battle cruiser. Housing some 80 "[[Viper]]" space superiority fighters arranged in 4 squadrons of 20 apiece, a fully-armed battlestar is capable of a wide range of offensive actions, while her defensive armaments ensure she is fully capable of both protecting herself from attack, and of engaging an enemy at close quarters.

Despite their massive size, battlestars are extremely maneuverable ([[Mini-Series]] and can dock with space stations such as the [[Ragnar Anchorage]] depot. Battlestars are not designed for atmospheric flight, although their hulls can manage a tenuous upper atmospheric storm like that surrounding the gas giant [[Ragnar]]. A battlestar's [[FTL]] systems are capable of incredibly-accurate Jumps, able to place them precisely in synchronous orbit above any point on a planet ([[Mini-Series]]) and of placing them in the midst of debris fields, such as an asteroid belt, without risk of a devastating impact ([[The Hand of God]]) or dense fleet of ships ([[Scattered]]).

Battlestars are intended to operate for long periods without resupply. Their water purification capabilities alone are so efficient that, barring an emergency or unforeseen event, a battlestar can operate without re-tanking "for several years before replenishing" ([[Water]]). They also appear capable of undertaking large-scale repairs following battle damage ([[Mini-Series]]), and may well have small manufacturing/fabrication facilities on-board ([[Litmus]]).

=== Technical Specifications of the Original Battlestar ===

==== Dimensions ====
Hull:
* Length (approx): (4,640ft) (1,414.2 meters)
* Beam (approx): 1,820ft (554.736 meters) (flight pod to flight pod - extended)
* Draft (approx): 585ft (178.308 meters)

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 2,019ft (615.391 meters) HI
* Beam (approx): 360ft (109.728 meters)
* Draft (approx): 211ft (64.3128 meters)

==== Propulsion ====

* 2 x FTL engines and drive coils (series)
* 4 x sublight engines (observed - [[33]])
* 40 x manuevring engines (10 clusters of 4 apiece) (Zoic)

==== Aramaments - Defensive ====
* 24 x primary railgun turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)
* 512 x point-defense turrets (mounting 2 guns apiece)

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 4 squadrons of Mark VII "[[Viper]]" atmosphere-capable space superiority fighters (fan estimate)
* 10 "[[Raptor]]" reconnaissance/assault vehicles (fan estimate).

==== Crew ====
* Ship's company: 2,000 (series)
** Officers (TBA)
** Enlisted (TBA)

==== Notes ====

[[Image:bsg-2-cvn.jpg|thumb|Battlestar / CVN comparison (credit: Zoic / VF)]]

* Commander Adama stated that he had close to 2,000 people on ''Galactica'' when he confronted [[Leoben Conoy]] on Ragnar station.
* A Colonial fighter squadron is comprised of 20 [[Viper]]s and is generally supported by a single [[Raptor]].
* Raptors can also be used to deploy Colonial Marine detachments to the surface of planets or to storm other vessels. Raptors are equipped with a docking collar and accessway in their undersides for the latter. (''[[Bastille Day]]'')
* Viper operations are overseen by the [[CAG]] - 'Commander, Air Group', the most senior pilot aboard a battlestar.
* An appreciation of the size of an original battlestar can be gleaned from the following:
** An original battlestar is over 4 times longer than a [[Wikipedia:USS Nimitz|''Nimitz'']]-class US Navy nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
** The flight pod of an original battlestar is almost twice the length of a ''Nimitz'' class carrier, is some 150ft wider and is approximately as tall as a ''Nimitz'' class carrier measured from the waterline to the top of the carrier's communications and [[ELINT]] tower
** The beam of an original battlestar's "alligator head" is as broad as a ''Nimitz''-class carrier's flight deck is long
** Each of the nacelles of an original battlestar's outer four sublight engines is large enough to house a ''Nimitz''-class carrier.
* with 512 Point-Defense Turrets, thats 1024 PD Guns, and from onscreen evidence, the Rounds Per Minute is atleast 90 or more.
** assuming a a firing rate of 2 rounds per second, thats 120 rounds per minute, and from all turrets equats to 122,880 rounds per minute. 2048 rounds per second. thats alot. (fan estimation.)
** considering a raider has been shown to be destroyed with around 4-10 direct hits, this means that should raiders enter the firing solution, would take only a few seconds to get blown up. if targetted by the PD turrets, less then a second. it would take a single turret 1 second to destroy a raider. not accounting for maneuvering of the raider however.
* Also, with 24 Rail gun turrets, thats, 48 rail gun , Barrels, if you will.
** onscreen evidence shows around 1 round firing per 2-3 seconds (please correct if wrong). going with the 1 round-2 seconds, you get a single turret firing in a minute, 60 rounds. times that by 24 and you come to 1,440 rounds per minute.
** due the turrets being "rail guns", the rounds go much faster then the rounds fired from the PD turrets. this means that a single hit to a raider should destroy it due to the kenetic energy imparted to the raider. if this is true, then a battlestar, with accurate aiming, could take out 1,440 raiders in a minute. thats like, double the estimated capacity of a basestar!

=== Layout ===
[[Image:Bsg-gal-3.jpg|thumb|Original Battlestar forward view (credit: Zoic)]]

The original battlestar design common to ''Galactica'' and her sister ships can be broken down into two main sections:

*Main Hull
*Flight Pods

==== Main Hull, Original Battlestar ====

This comprises the bulk of a battlestar, and can itself be divided into three sections:

*"Alligator head", containing the primary living space for the crew, recreational facilities, mess halls, shipboard operations centres (such as the [[CIC]] and [[Situation Room]]); water storage tanks
*Midships area: containing the pod retraction mechanisms, crossways linking the hanger pods for the transfer of equipment, Vipers, personnel, etc. All the necessary hoists for such transfers; main munitions stores and distribution mechnanisms to "local" munitions stores for main and secondary batteries; fabrication facilities; etc.
*Stern section: sublight engines, [[FTL]] drive coils, etc. Note that 4 of the sublight engines are mounted in distinctive nacelles of their own, with 2 more mounted between the nacelles, in the stern of the battlestar. The FTL drive coils appear to be mounted between the drive pods and between the hull-mounted sublight engines and the midships section of a battlestar.

The main hull houses all of a battlestar's offensive railguns, and also has a number of point-defence batteries mounted around it.

The manoeuvring thruster packs are located in the port / starboard bows of the "alligator head" (4 thrusters apiece), and on the port / starboard extremities of the four sublight engine nacelles (2 "packs" of 4 thrusters per nacelles).

==== Flight Pods, Original Battlestar ====
These are mounted on either side of the hull and contain a battlestar's offensive [[Viper]] force. During normal operations, they are extended away from the main hull. During FTL jumps, the pods are retracted against the hull, to provide a smaller cross-section for the battlestar during the jump itself.

*Each flight pod is approximately 2,000ft in length and has a maximum beam of some 360ft (fan estimates)
*Each pod comprises two main decks for flight operations: the upper landing bay, which extends the full length of the pod; and the lower launch bays, which provide some 40 launch tubes per pod ([[Zoic]])
*The landing bay serves as a recovery area for incoming Vipers and [[Raptor]]s, approaches are made from the stern. The preferred approach is a slow run into the hanger, prior to making a vertical landing on a defined landing area. However, in emergencies, "rolling" combat landings can be made, in which a Viper or Raptor approaches at speed and makes a running landing on its undercarriage
*The forward end of the landing bay also serves as a launch area for Raptors and shuttles
*Each hanger bay is large enough to accept a variety of other Colonial vessels, up to and including vessels classified as "heavy" (such as ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'')
*Docking collars are located throughout the upper sections of the landing bay in order to provide a pressurised connection between an docked vessel and the battlestar
*Pods additionally contain a number of a battlestar's point-defence railguns - one turret being mounted above each Viper launch tube, and others being set along the length of the pod itself
*The hanger bays in the pods are used as general dispersal areas for Vipers. The hangar bay runs the length of the flight pod, but can be divided and sealed off into five sections for damage control puroposes. Each hangar bay section has eight launch tubes, two launch control stations, and an elevator that leads to the landing bay above. The hanger bays are used for maintenance & repair of Vipers / Raptors, re-fuelling, re-arming and launch operations
*Viper flight operations are overseen by a Landing Signal Officer [[LSO]], with each launch supervisor being directly responsible for all launch operations for a group of four launch tubes each

Other facilities within the pods include fuel storage areas for the Vipers and Raptors (and potentially for refuelling large vessels docked within the landing bays); munitions stores for Viper weeaponry; munitions stores for the point-defence railguns; parts stores for maintaining Vipers and Raptors, etc.

=== List of Known Battlestars in the Re-Imagined Series ===

Of these ships, viewers have seen only ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' thus far. The class or design of other mentioned battlestars has not yet aired in an episode. In the [[Mini-Series]], as [[Helo]] and [[Sharon Valerii]] descend to [[Caprica]] for an emergency landing, they pass by a massive debris field orbiting the planet. In this debris is the wreck of a battlestar, its hull burning and back broken. The full design or name of this ship is not known. The source for each battlestar name here is from [[Zoic]], unless otherwise noted. Note that the Zoic source is not considered [[canon]] as information for these names may been provided to the special-effects company by [[TPTB]], but the names have not been mentioned in an aired episode as of mid-Season 2. The names of original battlestars, according to Zoic, are shown here in '''bold.'''

*Battlestar ''[[Acropolis]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Argo]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]'' ([[Mini-Series]], [[Act of Contrition]], [[Resistance]])
*Battlestar ''[[Columbia]]'' ([[Mini-Series]], [[Resistance]])
*Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Mercury]]'' (It is presumed that there is a vessel named ''Mercury'' given the name of the [[Mercury-class|class]])
*Battlestar ''[[Pacifica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]'' ([[Resistance]], [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]], [[Resurrection Ship]])
*Battlestar ''[[Poseidon]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Prometheus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Rycon]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Solaria]]'' ([[Mini-Series]])
*Battlestar ''[[Triton]]'' ([[Mini-Series]])

==[[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]]==
[[Image:tos_atlantia.jpg|thumb|Original Series Battlestar (credit: Universal / ABC)]]

This section requires expansion

===Overview===
In the original series, battlestars were the direct response to the on-going war with the Cylons. The first battlestars were introduced into Colonial forces around 500 yahren into the war, and proved formidable when placed against the technically-superior Cylon basestars, although at least two battlestars were totally destroyed during significant battles, and a third, the [[Pegasus]], was believed to have been destroyed at the [[Battle of Molecay (TOS)|Battle of Molecay]].

===Technical Specifications===
Hull:
* Length (approx): 4,143-4,166ft
* Beam (approx): 1,672ft (flight pod to flight pod)

Flight Pods:
* Length (approx): 1,977ft
* Beam (approx): 351ft

==== Propulsion & Power ====

* 2 x FTL engines
* 2 x sublight engines
* 2 x Solium main energizers (Fire in Space)

==== Aramaments - Defensive ====
* 15 x laser batteries (series)
* 12 x Solonite air-to-air missiles
* 1 x Heavy Mega Pulsar Cannons

Note - laser armament from a weapons panel showing the top row with nine "ACTIVATE LASER TURRETS" and the bottom row with six "LATERAL LASERS" switches.

==== Armaments - Offensive ====
* 75 Viper (Starhound class) fighters
* 12 Landram (Scarab class) armoured ground vehicles
* plus six unarmed shuttlecraft

==== Crew ====
* 496 - 1,012

====Notes on Dimensions====
[[Image:Tos-gal-dim.jpg|thumb|Calculating a Battlestar's size (credit: Todd Boyce / Universal ABC)]]

The length and beam figures given here are based on research carried out by [http://ravensbranch.allen.com/galacticasize.html Todd Boyce], a computer animator. There are many differing claims to the actual size of the original battlestars, ranging from some 2,000 (accepted length in a number of gaming systems) through to 2-3 miles in overall length.

Interviews with [[Larson, Glen A.|Glen A. Larson]] and [[Dykstra, John|John Dykstra]], the [[Visual Effects]] supervisor for the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]] stated that the original ''[[Galactica#Original Series Galactica|Galactica]]'' was around a mile long. If the scale of the master model used for filming was set at 1/960, then the overall length of the ''Galactica'' and her sister ships would be some 6,080ft - or one [[Wikipeadia:Nautical Mile|nautical mile]]. However, there is no confirmation available that 1/960 (1 inch = 80ft) was in fact the scale of the model, and the figures have thus been "back engineered" to fit the case.

In undertaking his work, Boyce utilised an established baseline for his calculations: the full-size mock-up of a Viper built for filming purposes. This mock-up measured some 28.5ft in length and a wingspan of some 12.5ft, and formed a means by which Boyce could take key shots from various episodes, combine them with a scale model of the ''Galactica'' and extrapolate a reasonably-consistent set of measurements. Thus: using film footage alone, Boyce was able to determine the length of the ''Galactica'' to be some 4,143ft, while use of a scale model produced a figure of some 4,166ft: an acceptable difference of some 23ft. What is more, these measurements appear consistent with the overall size of the Viper launch tubes (calculated at some 16ft in diameter, based on the wingspan of the full-size mock-up and images of Vipers being launched).

Given this degree of similarity in final calculations, these figures have been adopted here as the probable dimensions of the original series battlestars. However, in using these figures, it should be noted that:

* Boyce also used a [[Cylon Raider#Original Series Raider|Cylon Raider]] as a benchmark for his calculations, and produced an overall length for the ''Galactica'' at between 12,818ft and 21,210ft (2.4 and 4 miles). However, these measurements can be discounted on the grounds that:
** They are initially based on assumed data: a shot of a Cylon Raider apparently "overflying" a Colonial Viper. However, no vertical separation distance between the two can be calculated, leading to a completely arbitrary figure (39ft) for the wingspan of the Raider
** These figures would yield launch tubes between some 50ft and 82ft in diameter - which is clearly not supported by film of Viper launches.
* Boyce also used close-up shots of Viper launches to try and calculate the size of the ''Galactica'', and arrived at a figure of 2,712ft, with the flight pods measuring 1,294ft. However, these figures cannot be taken at face value, as they would render the Viper launch tubes with a 10.4ft diameter, making them too small to contain Vipers.

===Myth of the Twelve Battlestars===
Within fan circles, it has always been assumed there were twelve battlestars. Given there are [[Twelve Colonies (TOS)|Twelve Colonies]], and a [[Quorum of Twelve (TOS)|Quorum of Twelve]], twelve battlestars was perhaps seen as a logical extension of the motif of twelve. However, [[Glen A. Larson]] has stated that there was never any decision to have a specific number of battlestars, nor did the [[TOS Battlestar Galactica|original series]] ever mention there only being twelve battlestars; indeed, only eight battlestars were specifically mentioned within the series. Given the length of the human / Cylon war, it seems only logical that overall, far more than twelve of these warships were constructed.

====List of Known Battlestars====
The eight battlestars specifically mentioned in the original series are:

* ''[[Atlantia]]'' - destroyed by the Cylons at [[Cimtar (TOS)|Cimtar]] ([[Saga of a Star World]])
* ''[[Acropolis]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon
* ''[[Columbia]]'' - destroyed prior to the events at Cimtar ([[The gun on ice planet zero]])
* ''[[Galactica#Original Series Galactica|Galactica]]''
* ''[[Pacifica]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon
* ''[[Pegasus]]'' - presumed destroyed at the [[Battle of Molecay (TOS)|Battle of Molecay]] ([[The Living Legend]])
* ''[[Rycon]]'' - destroyed at the [[Battle of the Cosmara Archipelago (TOS)|Battle of the Cosmara Archipelago]] ([[Take the Celestra]])
* ''[[Triton]]'' - mentioned in connection with the attack at Cimtar, and so assumed to be one of the battlestars seen near the moon

The Costume Department at New West has indicated that three further battlestars may have been referenced had the show been renewed: the ''[[Solaria]]'', ''[[Cerberus]]'' and ''[[Prometheus]]''.

==[[Video Game]]==

The battlestars of the video game were essentially the same as in the original series; there were a great many of them, they were used en-masse in the [[Cylon War]], and they had existed for 500 years. The major differences were that they had been built centuries before the Cylon attack, and the rigors of the war had necessitated that alien technology be used in repairing them.

Six are mentioned in the game:
*Battlestar ''[[Atlantia]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Columbia]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Galactica]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Pegasus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Perseus]]''
*Battlestar ''[[Rycon]]''

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