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Michael Nankin

2009-03-10T19:02:12Z

Akagi: Added reference to "Someone to Watch Over Me"

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'''Michael Nankin''' (born 26 December 1955) is the director of various ''Battlestar Galactica'' episodes.

Nankin was born in [[w:Hollywood|Hollywood, California]].

== Director credits for "Battlestar Galactica" ==
*Season 2:
**[[Flight of the Phoenix]]
**[[Scar]]
*Season 3:
**[[The Passage]]
**[[Maelstrom]]
*Season 4:
**[[The Ties That Bind]]
**[[Faith]]
**[[Sometimes a Great Notion]]
**[[Someone to Watch Over Me]]

''See also: [[:Category:Episodes directed by Michael Nankin|Episodes directed by Michael Nankin]]''

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The Hub

2008-06-07T21:14:33Z

Akagi: /* Questions */

:''This article discusses the [[Re-imagined Series]] episode. For the eponymous resurrection facility, see: [[Resurrection Hub]].''
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| image= 4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg
| title= The Hub
| season= 4
| episode= 9
| forumthread= 1262
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| writer= [[Jane Espenson]]
| story=
| director= [[Paul Edwards]]
| production= 411
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| US airdate= 06 June 2008
| CAN airdate= 06 June 2008
| UK airdate=10 June 2008
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| population= 39673
| prev= [[Sine Qua Non]]
| next= [[Revelations]]
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== Overview ==

: ''Pursuing the [[Resurrection Hub]] at the whim of the Hybrid, a team of Viper pilots and Cylon rebels become uneasy collaborators as they formulate a battle plan to un-box the [[Number Three|Three]]s and destroy Cylon resurrection forever. Meanwhile, Roslin and Baltar try desperately to communicate with the panicking [[Hybrid]] and Helo discovers a disturbing characteristic within one of the [[Number Eight|Eights]].''

== Summary ==



=== Teaser ===
=== Act 1 ===
=== Act 2 ===
=== Act 3 ===
=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==
*[[Number Two]]/[[Leoben Conoy]] is notably absent from the episode and only Sixes and Eights are among the Cylons fighting in the battle. Since actor [[Callum Keith Rennie]] is credited for the episode, it is likely that scenes with him were shot but cut.

== Analysis ==

* Baltar, now having found a way to absolve all guilt for any action, takes his scheming to a new extremes while attempting to make an ally out of the Centurions.

* The dichotomy of experienced time when performing an FTL jump (it happens both instantaneously and is drawn out for what seems to be a long time) appears to be yet another avenue for the Lords of Kobol to interact with humans. Other examples are dreams, a hypnotic state, and between death and resurrection.

== Questions ==

*Why do the Cylons have only one [[Resurrection Hub]] and the implied inability to build another?
*Are the Cylons capable of building a new Hub, and if so, how long it would it take them?
*Does Boomer make it off of the Hub before it is destroyed?
*Is there time to resurrect Cavil?
*Where are the [[Number Two]]s during all these events?
*How many other Eights have accessed Athena's memories, and how will this affect her relationship with Karl Agathon?
*What will happen to the rebel cylons and their baseship after the Hub is destroyed?

== Official Statements ==




== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[Adama]] reading to Roslin during her vision'':
:"'Then I dug into the stump and pulled rocks from the ground until my fingers bled. I collected seeds from the few fruits the island offered and planted them in long straight furrows like the ranks of soldiers. When I finished I looked at what I had done. I did not see a garden; I saw a scar. This island had saved my life and I had done it no service.'"

* ''Roslin and Adama tenderly greeting each other in the Basestar hangar deck:''
:'''Roslin''' [Embracing Adama]: "I love you."
:'''Adama''' [Breaking the embrace; looks into her eyes]: "About time."

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]/ [[D'Anna Biers]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]/ [[Cavil]]
*[[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Number Two]] / [[Leoben Conoy]] (credited only)
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
*[[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]]
*[[Bodie Olmos]] as Lieutenant [[Hotdog|Brendan "Hotdog" Costanza]]
*[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]
*[[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: [http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=380]

== References ==
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Natalie Faust

2008-05-12T11:48:53Z

Akagi: Fixed link.

:''This page is about "Natalie", a copy of Cylon Model Number Six. For information on other named Number Six copies, see [[Caprica Six]], [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina Inviere]]. For general information on the model, see [[Number Six]].''

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'''Natalie''' is a [[Number Six]] copy who leads a faction advocating the search for the [[Final Five]] Cylons, believing that they have answers about the Cylons' origins and their place in the universe.

After the [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] abort the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]] Natalie, a [[Number Two]] and a [[Number Eight]] approach [[Number One|Cavil]] with the suggestion, that the Final Five are with the humans in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|refugee fleet]]. This is fully declined by Cavil. He suggests that only the Raiders are a problem, because they extended their original programming and now violate their orders to fight the refugee fleet.

The faction led by Natalie loses a majority vote to prevent dumbing down the Raiders by removing some of their free will through a surgical procedure. Natalie is further dismayed that [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] voted against her model to side with Cavil, thus further endangering the tenuous balance of the Cylon decision making process.

After a last attempt to stop the Raiders' lobotomization, she orders two [[Centurion (RDM)|Centurions]] into the conference room and reports to the attendant Number One, [[Number Four]] and [[Number Five]] copies that they removed the [[telencephalic inhibitor]]s, which prevent the Centurions from using their higher cognitive functions. The Centurions open fire and kill everyone supporting Number One ([[Six of One]]).

Natalie and two Number Eights meet with the resurrected Cavil to discuss the terms of ending the conflict. Cavil agrees to stop lobotomizing Raiders and to air Natalie's proposal to unbox the [[Number Three]] line before his compatriots. Later, Cavil informs Natalie's faction that their terms have been agreed to, and the fleet will jump to the nearest server to learn what the resurrected Threes know about the Final Five. This turns out to be a trap. The [[Resurrection Ship]] does not jump to the rendezvous point, and Cavil's baseships open fire on Natalie's fleet, inflicting heavy damage ([[The Ties That Bind]]), with Natalie's basestar being the only surviving ship from this engagement, however the ship's [[FTL]] drive is damaged beyond repair ("[[The Road Less Traveled]]", "[[Faith]]").

When Conoy returns with [[Kara Thrace]], [[Sharon Agathon]], [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Jean Barolay]], Natalie is reluctant to take Thrace to the [[Hybrid]], but ultimately agrees as they need the Colonials' help. When a Six—who had been drowned by Barolay on [[New Caprica]] and suffered resulting emotional trauma, despite aid from Natalie after the Six's resurrection—kills Barolay, Natalie kills the Six to appease the Colonials need for "justice", thus defusing a potentially explosive situation; the Six herself cannot resurrect, as the Resurrection Ship is still out of range.

Later, Natalie overhears the [[Hybrid utterances#Dying Hybrid|Hybrid's message]] to Thrace and she is further convinced that the Threes must be unboxed, for the Hybrid claims that she alone knows the faces of the Final Five. After helping comfort a mortally wounded Eight before her death, she leaves the Hybrid chamber to execute the jump, thus allowing her basestar to meet up with the ''Demetrius'' ([[Faith]]).

== Notes==

* The name "Natalie" stems from the Latin ''natalis'' (birthday), which could be a hint that she plays a significant role in the evolution of the Cylon culture.
* Natalie's name has not yet been mentioned onscreen, but (in a similar way to [[Gina]] prior to "[[Razor]]") she has been named in promotional material and by [[Tricia Helfer|the actress]] in interviews.

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Talk:Jean Barolay/Archive 1

2008-05-10T11:13:49Z

Akagi: /* New category */ new section

==It's Barolay, not Barclay==
The credits in the episode say "Barolay", further Bradley Thompson referred to her as "Barolay" on [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive1#"Skin Jobs"]]--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:20, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
:It's werid. I check the website and it was werid. Can always revert... --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:21, 12 August 2006 (CDT)
::I mean Barclay sounds like a more "normal" name, but it's a show set in space so who knows? I'm just saying, I saw this episode at MTR on a 40 foot high screen, and watching the credits said to myself "wow, it's clearly an "o" in there, it was scrunched on tv". Keep in mind that once the DVD's come out such quibbles over character names are a moot point. It's just that that episode credits and a writer called her the other version, so I'm not sure if this is another goof or what. She will be re-appearing in Season 3 so I hope that clears up then. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:28, 12 August 2006 (CDT)

== a member of the Caprica Buccaneers? ==
I don't think it was stated anywhere that Jean Barolay was a member of the Caprica Buccaneers. Samuel Anders had stated that their resistance was made up of Caprica Buccaneers and other survivalists up in the mountains. How do we know which group Jean Barolay was in? I don't think we do.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 01:03, 29 October 2006 (CDT)
:We don't. Anders introduced us to a few of the C-Bucs in "[[Resistance]]", but we didn't meet Barolay until "[[Downloaded]]". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:12, 29 October 2006 (CDT)

== New category ==

Why not to introduce a new category "Death of the week"? --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 11:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Jean Barolay

2008-05-10T10:02:03Z

Akagi: Added episode reference.

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'''Jean Barolay''' is a member of [[Samuel Anders]]' resistance group on Caprica, and a former [[Caprica Buccaneers|Caprica Buccaneer]].

She aids Anders in planting a bomb in a Cylon café, 9 months after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]] ([[Downloaded]]). She later survives an attack on Anders' base camp and was among the group of survivors with Anders who encounter the rescue party led by [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] from ''Galactica'' ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

Barolay survives the firefight between the combined resistance and rescue team members and a group of [[Cylon Centurion]]s and arrives safely aboard ''Galactica'' with Anders and Starbuck ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

She is involved with the resistance to the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]]; in particular, she is involved with hiding weapons in the temple there ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance|The Resistance]]).

After the exodus from New Caprica, Barolay becomes a member of the [[Circle]] ([[Collaborators]]).

Barolay is part of the civilian ground team on the [[algae planet]], helping with the harvest of the food ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]). When Cylon Centurions land on the planet and advance on the camp, she and the other civilians are drafted to defend the human positions. Barolay belongs to a fire team preparing a trap at a choke point. When the Centurions spot the trap, she is forced to detonate it before the Cylons completely enter the blast radius ([[Rapture]]).

She is assigned to the crew of the ''[[Demetrius]]'' during its search for Earth ([[The Road Less Traveled]]). When ''Demetrius'' picks up a marooned [[Leoben Conoy (New Caprica copy)|Leoben]] copy, Barolay is among those handpicked for a mission to the heavily damaged [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] he claims to have come from. Aboard said basestar, Barolay and the other members of her team learn that the Cylons inhabiting this vessel constitute a [[Cylon Civil War|breakaway sect]]. An unlikely alliance is formed between the ''Demetrius'' team and the rebel Cylons, and a decision is made to merge the basestar's disabled FTL drive with that of the Raptor that Barolay and the others had boarded the vessel in. As Barolay begins work on connecting one system to the other, she comes into contact with a Six that she had drowned over a year earlier. After a few words between the two, the Six is enraged by Barolay's apparent lack of remorse, strikes her and thrusts her against the Raptor hatch frame, fatally injuring her ([[Faith]]).

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Caprica-Six

2008-04-26T10:27:51Z

Akagi: Fixed link to wrong episode.

:''This page is about "Caprica-Six", the copy of Cylon Model Number Six who seduced Gaius Baltar on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]] in order to sabotage Colonial defenses in the Cylon attack. For information on two other named Number Six copies seen in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], see [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina Inviere]]. For general information on the model, see [[Number Six]].''
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Prior to the attack, '''Caprica-Six'''<ref name="name">"Caprica-Six" is not a fan-invented name or Battlestar Wiki [[Battlestar_Wiki:Descriptive_term|descriptive term]]. She is literally called "Caprica-Six" in dialog in "[[Downloaded]]", which is revealed in a conversation which explains that it is a nickname the Cylons developed to distinguish this "hero" from all of the other copies. This may actually be a jab by the writers at fans, who earlier came up with the fan designations "''Galactica''-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" to tell various Cylon copies apart. </ref> was a copy of Six who played an important role in preparing the way for a Cylon invasion.

For two years, Caprica-Six lived on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Seducing the ambitious, self-obsessed, arrogant [[Gaius Baltar]], she fools him into believing she was a corporate spy, seeking to gain advantage over her competitors in order to secure a lucrative defense contract. Over the course of two years, she used Baltar to gain access to his work -- even to the extent of re-writing many of his own algorithms -- in order to subvert his own [[Command Navigation Program]] so that it could be used in the forthcoming Cylon attack to cripple Colonial forces.

Near the end of the two years, she sees a baby in a pram in a market place. The baby's mother is also present but then becomes distracted with someone else talking to her. Caprica-Six takes a closer look at the baby and snaps its neck and walks away looking distressed, possibly to spare it from the coming nuclear holocaust.

When the Cylon attack starts, Caprica-Six tells Baltar how she is a Cylon, and what her real goal with the CNP was. When a shockwave from one of the nuclear bombs rips through Baltar's house, her body is destroyed as she tries to protect him from it ([[Miniseries]]).

She is reborn into a new body and is hailed as a "Hero of the Cylon". Just as Baltar has visions of her, Caprica-Six has persistent visions of him. When she asks the other Cylons, particularly [[Number Three]], if Baltar was still alive, the copy of Number Three replies that he died along with nearly everyone else still on Caprica and the other colonies.

While living on Cylon-occupied Caprica, her vision of Baltar and her own developing feelings and intuition leads her to question some of the basic ideals that the Cylons hold dear. Unbeknownst to her, Number Three becomes distressed with her lingering attachment to Baltar and seeks to manipulate her feelings in order to make her unstable, thus giving the Cylons an excuse to "[[boxing|box]]" her. Three points Caprica-Six in the direction of a [[Number Eight]] who was having trouble adjusting to life as a Cylon and still clinging to her old false human identity; [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]], formerly of the battlestar ''Galactica''.

[[Image:Caprica NC.jpg|thumb|left|Caprica during the occupation]]
Through her counseling work with "Boomer"-Eight she learns that Three had deceived her; Baltar is not only alive but is also Vice President of the Colonies in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|surviving human fleet]]. After uncovering the lie about Baltar's death, she and Boomer-Eight began to question themselves more about their brethren. If murder was a sin in the eyes of [[God (RDM)|God]] when committed by humans, why is genocide condoned by God when committed by Cylons? Questions like these begin to take hold in Caprica-Six's mind and are compounded by feelings of guilt for her role in the attack on the Colonies. While trapped in a garage with Boomer-Eight, Three and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]], Caprica-Six directly confronts the hypocrisy of the Cylons and ultimately rejects the false "truths" of her existence. She chooses instead to use her newfound celebrity to speak out against the Cylon's continuing war against humanity. Together with Boomer-Eight, she sets out to bring fundamental changes to Cylon society, their first action being to save the life of Anders ([[Downloaded]]).

Just over a year after the human colonization of [[New Caprica]], Caprica-Six is one of the leaders (with [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer-Eight]] and a copy of [[Number Five]]) of the Cylon forces that meets now-President Baltar. In just a few words, Caprica-Six reveals to Baltar that she remembers precisely who he is, and how she missed him ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]).

Caprica and Baltar attempt to renew their relationship during the Cylon occupation of New Caprica, to the ridicule of some of the Cylons and the challenge of Number Three. The relationship is rocky, as Baltar's very survival rests on Caprica's feelings for him. Caprica is also the only Cylon who attempts to befriend Baltar's aides, such as [[Felix Gaeta]]. Her attempts are ultimately unsuccessful, as Baltar can't connect emotionally to her and even fails physically ("[[Occupation]]", "[[Precipice]]").

[[Image:Capry.jpg|thumb|right|Caprica-Six on a Cylon baseship]]
During the withdrawal of the Cylons from New Caprica, Caprica and Baltar try to stop Three from detonating a nuclear bomb, and discover [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] in the process ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

Later, Caprica appears to regret her decisions, as Baltar's status with the Cylons rests on the vote of the Sixes ([[Collaborators]]). Eventually she votes to keep him alive, though she treats him poorly up until the time he is tortured by [[Number Three]]. From then on she is sleeping with both Baltar and the Number Three that tortured him ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).

As their relationship continues and time passes, Caprica begins to become isolated from Baltar and Three, who are occupied investigating the mystery of the [[final five]] Cylons. Eventually she confronts them on the fact; as Baltar tries telling her that's not the case, Three interrupts him and tells Caprica that Caprica's relationship with them is over, and that their destiny is separate from hers (though stating that "We love you too. But this is something you cannot share with us."). As Three and Baltar depart to the [[Algae planet]], Caprica is left heartbroken ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).

When [[Sharon Agathon]] is killed by [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] and downloads to the [[Resurrection Ship]], Caprica-Six is the one to greet her. This proves to be lucky as Caprica-Six sympathizes with Agathon and takes her to [[Hera Agathon|her child]]. When [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] threatens to kill Hera, Caprica snaps Boomer's neck and helps Sharon smuggle the baby off the [[Basestar (RDM)|baseship]] to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. Upon her arrival on ''Galactica'', she is thrown in the [[brig]] by Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] ([[Rapture]]).

Following the failed interrogations of Baltar, Caprica is visited by President Roslin. Roslin assures Caprica that she will not be thrown out of an airlock, to which she responds with doubt, as [[Leoben]] was executed after being promised he would not be harmed. Caprica makes a deal with Roslin: give Baltar a trial, and Caprica will tell the Fleet everything she knows. Roslin likely now suspects that Caprica may be the "blond-haired" woman she saw with Baltar before the attacks due to Baltar mentioning the name "Caprica" during the interrogation, and Six telling Roslin that she is known as "Caprica" ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]], bonus scene).

During Baltar's trial, Caprica begins experiencing shared hallucinations with Laura Roslin, Sharon Agathon, and Hera. The hallucinations all take place in the [[Opera House]] on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. Roslin, Agathon, and Caprica-Six are searching the lobby of the Opera House for Hera. Caprica finds her, grabs her, and disappears into the main chamber of the Opera House with Baltar (although this should be her [[Virtual Baltar]] as the real Baltar is never seen waking from the hallucinations). The door closes behind them and ends the initial dream. The hallucination later continues with her and Baltar walking onto the stage of the opera house with Hera. The two of them turn around and see the Final Five standing on the balcony. They are displayed as indistinguishable white figures ("[[Crossroads, Part I]]", "[[Crossroads, Part II]]").

Roslin later visits her for information on the Final Five and Caprica Six admits she's not allowed to even think about them (which Roslin points out she's doing right at that moment) and that all she can tell Roslin is that she can sense them close by in the Colonial Fleet. ([[He That Believeth In Me]])

==Notes==
*According to the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|novelization]] of the [[Miniseries]] by [http://www.starrigger.net/ SF novelist Jeffrey A. Carver], the name that Baltar called Six before she revealed she was a Cylon during the attack was "Natasi" ({{IPA|nə.ˈtɑ.si}}).
** Since this name has never been mentioned in the events of the screenplay or regular episodes, and as other names in the book, such as [[Cally]], do not match existing aired or official information, this name should be treated as part of a [[Battlestar Wiki:Separate continuity|separate continuity]].
**According to the author, the fact that it is spelled "I Satan" backwards is a coincidence.
*In an [http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700002601 interview], [[David Eick]] stated that there was never a canonical name which Baltar called Number Six while she was on Caprica, and "We always liked the idea that Baltar was a man of many tastes and that there's every likelihood that he never knew her name".
*[[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] echoed this in [[Podcast:The Battlestar Roundtable|The Battlestar Roundtable podcast]] when asked about Number Six's name by [[James Callis]] and [[Jamie Bamber]]. Moore stated that Baltar "just didn't care enough" to learn her name. <ref name="noname">{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Battlestar Roundtable|act=|id=|timestamp=18:21|totalrunning=177:58}}</ref>
*Also mentioned in the roundtable podcast, [[Michael Rymer]] said his take on Six's name was that, in the spirit of a ''[[wikipedia:Seinfeld|Seinfeld]]'' episode, Baltar just missed Number Six's name when they met and he spent the next two years of their relationship just trying to see how far he could get with her without ever mentioning her name.<ref name="noname">{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=The Battlestar Roundtable|act=|id=|timestamp=18:46|totalrunning=177:58}}</ref>
*Caprica-Six's outfit after her resurrection is considerably less elaborate than what she wore when working with Baltar, and she wears far less make-up, indicating that she only dressed so seductively for her mission.
*Caprica-Six's personality in "Downloaded" implies she might have shown humanity more compassion by, say, hailing them first, or landing ''outside'' the city, implying that her conversion of Cylon society isn't as complete as the [[Cavil]]s claimed or once was but has regressed in the interim year.
*Caprica-Six seems to have developed protective feelings for Hera that could almost be described as motherly. She is happy to help Agathon rescue her in "[[Rapture]]", and even goes to ''Galactica'' with them. Caprica's hallucinations in "Crossroads" and these feelings about Hera may give more insight to the connection between her and Baltar through their inner versions of each other as well as their connection to Hera that inner Six has been hinting about since "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming]]". The hallucinations are very similar to Baltar's hallucination on Kobol. There may also be a connection between this "family" that has been prophesied since the first season and the final five as they were also present in the Opera House with them.

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Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

2008-04-22T14:20:05Z

Akagi: /* Monitoring Launch Tubes */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

:This is a great little read (the link above). Even the bit about the Cylons of Greece (an aditional link once there). I was wondering, has anyone seen/made a super-speculative galactic map of where the fleet might be? especially now that with being able to pin point the rough neighbourhood the fleet is now in.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 12:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, would YOU want to guard the launch tubes? 99% of the time you'd just be standing there in an empty control room (at least at night), not to mention the fact that since there are quite a few launch tubes, you'd be tying up a significant number of personnel doing so. It seems like it'd be easier in terms of manpower to have guards somewhere in the hangar deck (potentially in intersection of the hangar deck(s) and the interior of the ship). By guarding the choke points, you'd be covered against somebody coming from any of the launch tubes, and from the landing bay openings as well. Though obviously the biggest reason the launch tubes are untended are for dramatic purposes. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Nobody said there had to be ''humans'' watching the launch tubes, you'd be 'watching' them electronically, just like building security monitors elevator movements. If they did that and logged all activity, they'd find out Cally's launch tube was spaced from the control room and know she didn't commit suicide. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:01, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, that Cally did not commit suicide is something that a good criminal investigator would find out anyway - Cally has to trigger the launch tube from inside by use this little key. This key should still be in the launch tube. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:The Ties That Bind/Archive 1

2008-04-22T10:54:35Z

Akagi: /* Monitoring Launch Tubes */

Is this title a hint to [[Saul Tigh|everyone's favourite alcoholic colonel]]? [[User:OTW|OTW]] 19:23, 21 June 2007 (CDT)
:That would be "The Tighs That Bind". hehe. Like "Tigh me up, Tigh me down". That was a nice play on words. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:22, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

== SG1 thing? ==

Is the SG-1 thing really necessary? After all, I'm sure that here are tons of television shows that have similar names -- for instance, I'm sure that there are shows that have episodes named "Faith". To be honest, I find nothing significant in that note. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 13:22, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:Agreed. Usually it's simple title that get reused often, but since this is a fixed expression it's not so surprising. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::Didn't know "The Ties That Bind" was like a common expression (one of the downsides of being a near-native, but still non-native, English speaker), I was under the impression it was simply a Biblical quote. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:49, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
:::The origin is of course that bible quote, but if you google it, you'll also find a Bruce Springsteen song and many news articles that use it. For example "The ties that bind China, Russia and Iran" or "Sony Cuts the Ties That Bind Walkman" or "Technologies to untie the ties that bind". And for TV, an episode of "The OC" shares that name too, so Stargate shouldn't be singled out. We already pay way too much attention to it with cast notes. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:55, 13 October 2007 (CDT)
::::Right. I just didn't know TTTB was a common expression. Removing. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:59, 13 October 2007 (CDT)

== Image ==

May I suggest taking some image that is a) smaller b) oriented horizontally, not vertically? Current image breaks s.4 episode guide and is a bit too big. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 17:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's already scaled down and it might not be so obvious once that page is filled with content. The only other interesting image would be [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this] (I can get a high-res version). Or we could crop the current one at her waist. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::My vote goes to [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=1 this], right. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 18:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::: It depends, because Cally... ahem. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::: Then crop it at least if it must be Cally. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::I say [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=283&pos=3 this one] How many do have Cheif and Tory? We have lots with Roslin and crew. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 03:23, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, it's not like there is a shortage of things about the Final Five, either on screen or online, so I chose pictures that are about something else. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:49, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Mixing it up is good. I been thinking about making them all random <code>{{#random:image1.jpg,etc}}</code> [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 15:56, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Orion ==
At about 28 minutes, when the other baseships jump in, the constellation of Orion is clearly visible in the background. Worth mentioning on the entry?--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 10:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely. Not only did you see Orion, but also Taurus and the Pleiades - and most importantly, as you would see them if you were within ~50 light years of Earth. --[[User:Qprmeteor|Qprmeteor]] 12:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

== Acts vs. Location Format ==
I feel that this guide would be much easier to read and follow if it was in a Location format instead of by Acts. IMHO, YMMV, ect. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:09, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. that's the way I orginally had it setup before spenc uploaded his thing :P [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, didn't look at the history. It just seems harder to read this way. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:34, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hey. Wasn't blaming ya. :) I gues I'll pick apart his summary and switch everything around. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:36, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We have most of the guides in act format since that's how the episode translates. While this may be easy to read, it also throws the order of the story out of whack. I figure we have to do this on a case-by-case given the number of scene shifts, so.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:15, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not so much scene shifts, but number of ''independent'' story lines. Sometimes, there are two different settings, but heavily intercut and dependent on each other. Like the stuff in "The Eye of Jupiter" and "Rapture". One the other hand, the Caprica, Kobol and Cylon story lines stand for themselves and can have an own section. That's how we always did it. Nothing new :) -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:56, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Nicky Cylon or Human ==

I wonder if this episode shows how the story hits on pure fiction rather than sci-fi with the case of Nicky being a cylon. Nicky is a boy, which would mean there has to be a Y chromosome. If Tyrol is truly a Cylon, then Cally could only have a female child. They stated earlier in the series that the skinjobs could not reproduce without human donors. Reading the sci-fi forums and original series (way back to deception to the Cylons/Baltar by Specter, and how the Beings of Light 'try' not to interfere) may provide a spoiler to what is to come next from this episode if it stays on the sci-fi side. If it goes fiction, maybe it be worth noting what made Nicky a boy and a cylon before someone yells "that's not sci-fi!" (The Science Note: women can reproduce women without men in genetic experiments of fertilization, but women do not carry/make the Y chromosome to reproduce a male.) (Podcast note: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Frak_Party_Q_and_A#hybridnick]) [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 21:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:They did not state anything about human donors. They stated that Cylons could not reproduce with each other, and could not reproduce with humans unless there was love. Cally and Tyrol love each other, imperfect as their marriage might be, so Nicky was conceived like Hera. No reason he shouldn't have a Cylon Y chromosome. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:40, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::RDM has stated the the final five are fundamentally different than the others, so what is know about the significant seven may not apply. -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:47, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Plus, what is known about the signficant seven doesn't rule it out. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:55, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::So, we can say that Nicky is fundamentally different when compared to Hera. The plot just grows more from this episode about them and brings questions, but the difference can be noted on the Nicky or Hera page. I was going to add something to the article, but I felt it was better to wait another episode. Thanks -- [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 03:17, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::For now, we don't know of any fundamental differences between Nicky and Hera yet. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 03:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Inappropriate use of Point of Order? ==

According to Robert's Rules of Order, a Point of Order is raised if the rules of order have apparently been broken. In this case, rules don't seem to have been broken, and Lee is really just interrupting to bring up his own issues (which could be construed as out of order). The closest motion that I could find is a Request for Any Other Privilege, which he would then use to try to bring up a more pressing issue, but this is still an iffy case. [[User:Ctetc2007|Ctetc2007]] 10:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:Standing-up at the table is a request to yield. The one who has the floor is the one who can decide to yield the floor. If Lee continued without the floor being yielded to him, then it would be out of order. Notice that Lee does ask for the floor to yield. The point of order is to get the answer to yield the floor and to quiet everybody else that does not have the floor. Roslin immediately tabled the issue that Lee brought up. Lee sits down, and the floor is returned. He could have requested an immediate call to vote to handle the issue, but typically it would have to be by some disastrous or emergency situation to call to vote on non-agenda items. Why didn't he make that case at that time? [[User:Dzonatas|Dzonatas]] 14:51, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Interesting Comments about Orion Sighting ==
The [http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/992976.html post] might be worth reading. Didn't know about the [[w:Ophiuchus |thirteenth sign]] until now. Any astrophysicists on board to judge this info? -- [[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Monitoring Launch Tubes ==

The reason nobody notices the launch tubes being used is probably due to the Galactica's lack of automation. There's no central computer to track these things, and the over-worked state of Galactica's repair crew probably means that the logs that would track these things (assuming there's a counter at all) aren't being kept properly.

Of course, this doesn't explain why there wouldn't be guards.

— [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 01:12, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, at least they already established that nobody was paying attention to the launch tubes in last season's "[[Collaborators]]"... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Poor Jammer. :( [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 05:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

: This might be indeed a flaw by design, but one that they should have fixed after the first Cylon war. The Cylons boarded ships via airlocks and launch tubes and used them as weapon to vent the crew out of the ship. In such a situation the security team etc. should know where to look for the enemy. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 10:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Hangar deck/Archive 1

2008-04-20T14:19:19Z

Akagi: Night shift

== Night shift ==

It is interesting to see that the hangar deck is deserted an night. Is there no night shift? Or do the Cylons attack at daytime only? --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 14:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Launch tube (TRS)

2008-04-20T14:11:13Z

Akagi: /* Notes */ Security of lauch tubes and airlocks

: ''This article covers the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-Imagined Series]] launch tubes. For their [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart, see [[Launch tube (TOS)]].''

[[Image:1104Tube Mini.JPG|thumb|right|[[Viper 1104]] in the tube, ready to launch ([[Miniseries]]).]]

'''Launch tubes''' are extensively used on [[Battlestar (RDM)|battlestar]]s as a means of launching [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] and [[Blackbird|other similar craft]].

A [[Galactica type battlestar]] has a total of 80 launch tubes, forty per [[flight pod]] {{citation needed}}. The launch tubes fit one Viper at a time and are each controlled by a launch supervisor, who are in turn managed by the [[Landing Signal Officer]]. The launch supervisor can observe the tubes from a control booth with a wide view port. After running the preliminary checks on the Viper, the launch supervisor presses the launch button and a magnetic catapult throws the Viper out at great speed.

The following quote depicts the standard launch sequence (in this case for a launch of the [[Blackbird]]):

:'''[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]''': Instruments... in the green. Fuel pressure... nominal.<br />
:'''[[Dualla]]''': [[Lee Adama|Apollo]], Starbuck. Blackbird flight is cleared for launch.<br />
:'''Starbuck''': Run-up.<br />
:'''[[Aaron Kelly]]''': Maglock secure, initiate launch sequence.<br />
:'''Starbuck''': Oh, don't blow up on me, you bastard.<br />
:'''Kelly''': You are clear for launch.<br />
:'''Dualla''': Blackbird is away.<br />
::--''[[Flight of the Phoenix]]''

[[Image:MkVIIlaunch Scar.JPG|thumb|left| Viper Mk VII launching ([[Scar]])]]
The launch tubes are separated from the [[hangar deck]] by large airtight metal doors. When these doors close after the ship is in the tube, the doors at the end of the tube open, allowing the tube to open up into space. Ships are returned to the hangar deck from the [[landing bay]] via elevators.

[[Alert Fighters]] are kept in the tubes at all times just in case a threat appears and the [[Combat Air Patrol|CAP]] cannot reach it in time or require reinforcements.

The launch tubes are also used to allow the dead a military space funeral when there is no earth in which to bury them ("[[Act of Contrition]]", "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]").

==Battlestar ''Galactica''==
On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' only the port launch tubes are operational. The starboard hangar deck was converted into a gift shop to go with the planned museum in the starboard landing bay prior to the [[Cylon Attack|destruction of the Twelve Colonies]]. However, the starboard landing bay is depressurized due to the crashlanding of a Cylon [[Heavy Raider]] through the windowed enclosure when ''Galactica'' holds off a Cylon force while attempting to recalculate the coordinates of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]] ([[Scattered]]).

Following humanity's [[exodus]] from [[New Caprica]], the launch tubes are used as impromptu courtrooms by the [[Circle]], a group commissioned by President [[Tom Zarek]] to try, convict and sentence humans who collaborated with the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during their occupation of New Caprica. The Circle would execute convicted collaborators by depressurizing the launch tubes and venting the convicts to space ([[Collaborators]]). [[Cally Tyrol]] later uses a launch tube to kill herself and her son Nicholas, but is stopped by [[Tory Foster]], who takes Nicholas only to space Tyrol herself ([[The Ties That Bind]]).

== See Also ==
* [[flight pod]]
* [[landing bay]]
* [[hangar deck]]

== Notes ==
* "[[Final Cut]]" is a rare episode in which the camera actually follows Vipers as they are wheeled from the middle of the hangar deck and loaded into launch tubes, then take off.
* Sets for the launch tube are modified and reused for the [[airlock]] set seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]", as denoted by the doors and control station which [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]] mans in this episode. "[[Final Cut]]" also sees the control room set reused for the flight pod control during Kat's crash landing.
* At least the launch tubes and airlocks on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' are not fully integrated into the internal security system. While they can be remote controlled from [[Aft Damage Control]], there is no alarm when they are used locally ([[Valley of Darkness]], [[Collaborators]], [[A Day in the Life]], [[The Ties That Bind]]). This is different on the battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', where the airlocks are integrated into the internal security system ([[Razor]]).

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Airlock

2008-04-20T13:11:45Z

Akagi: Cally is dumped out of a launch tube, not an airlock.

'''Airlocks''' serve as the entrance and exits to spaceships, whether it is docking with another ship or for extravehicular activity (EVA), without compromising the atmosphere of a spaceship. They consist of a hyperbaric chamber with a pair of airtight doors, one allowing access to the ship's interior and the other to the vacuum of space. The chamber can be pressurized and depressurized in a controlled fashion. A [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[launch tube]] constitutes a form of airlock with additional features for the rapid deployment of Vipers.

Ejecting a person from an airlock or [[launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] is a common and easy execution method ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Collaborators]]") and the phrase "throwing someone out of an airlock" has gained some notoriety due to [[Laura Roslin]]'s preference for spacing [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon agents]] in this manner ("[[Flesh and Bone]]", "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"). Much to [[Gaius Baltar]]'s dismay, Roslin suggested throwing [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] out an airlock, in order to prevent the Cylons from obtaining the hybrid ([[Downloaded]]).

Airlocks on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' have an observation booth from where a depressurized airlock can be safely monitored by personnel. It has the same layout as the launch tube control room.

[[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] are trapped in airlock 12 on deck 14, after the computer automatically shuts the blast doors due to pressure loss in the airlock ([[A Day in the Life]]).

Airlocks are also used by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] to board vessels, as was the case with ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' during the [[Battle of the Communications Relay]] ("[[Pegasus (Extended Version)|Pegasus]]", "[[Razor]]")

== Notes ==
* The airlock set seen in "[[A Day in the Life]]" is a reuse of the [[Launch tube (RDM)|launch tube]] set, as denoted by the doors and control station which [[Diana Seelix|Seelix]] mans in this episode.

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2008-04-20T13:10:46Z

Akagi: Cally

== Cally ==

I don't think that Cally used an airlock to commit suicide. This looked like a launch tube to me. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 13:10, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

The Ties That Bind

2008-04-20T08:07:33Z

Akagi: /* Analysis */

{{Episode Data
| image=4x03 - The Ties That Bind - Promo 2.jpg
| title= The Ties That Bind
| season= 4
| episode= 3
| forumthread= 888
| guests=
| writer=[[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]
| production=405
| rating=
| US airdate=18 April 2008
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=39676
| oldpopulation=39676
| prev= [[Six of One]]
| next= [[Escape Velocity]]
| promo=
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace]] leads a [[Demetrius|ship]] in her search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], while ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crew deals with political and marital issues. On the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] side, the [[Significant Seven]]'s solidarity is challenged.

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and the Colonial Fleet ===
* [[Cally Tyrol]], waking from [[Nicholas Tyrol|her son's]] cries, has dreams recalling arguments with her husband, [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]], of apparently finding herself spending more time alone with her child and Galen avoiding her through work or other activity. In one scene she is taking medication, perhaps to help her sleep, or to fight depression.
* The dark room is unkempt, and medication and baby formula bottles are stacked on a table.
* When Cally Tyrol realizes that Nicky is actually crying, she comforts him and returns him to his crib. She calls [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], apparently to try to find her husband with no luck. She finds a napkin for [[Joe's bar]] in his clothing.
* At the bar, Galen Tyrol and [[Tory Foster]] are drinking [[ambrosia]] and other spirits. Galen laments that, before [[Final Five|their revelation]], he knew what he was: husband, crew chief, and father. Now, his identity is taking a beating.
* Foster flirts with Galen as Cally walks holding her son in a dreamy state (presumably drug related) to Joe's Bar. Cally's distorted vision believes she sees Foster touching Galen's arm seductively. Entering the bar, Cally angrily yells at Galen as he tries to explain. Angry and hurt, Cally takes her son and leaves the bar as Foster looks on, still drinking and not the least upset that she might have caused the Tyrol's strife.
*In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] administers to [[Laura Roslin]] another [[diloxin]] treatment, noting that the drug's nausea should go away in an hour.
* As Roslin tries to relax on the bed, [[William Adama]] sits by her bedside and begins to read from a book to her, ''[[Love and Bullets]]'', by Nick Talo, apparently a detective mystery novel.
* The book's passages of a character's lost love appear to reflect through Adama as he gazes at Roslin while he completes the passage: "From the moment I open my eyes, she's in my blood, bittersweet, tinged with regret. I'll never be free of her, nor do I want to be. For she is what I am, all that is, should always be."
* The scene shifts to a press conference on ''[[Colonial One]]'' where [[Lee Adama]] accepts appointment to the [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprican]] seat to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]]. Vice President [[Tom Zarek]] is also in attendance.
*The press asks about questions of loyality between Lee Adama and his role in the [[Gaius Baltar]] trial, which Roslin dismisses.
* Reporter [[Playa Palacios]] asks about the whereabouts of the ''[[Demetrius]]'', missing now three weeks, Roslin defers the question to Admiral Adama, who cryptically explains that the ship is on a military mission. When [[Sekou Hamilton]] asks if [[Kara Thrace]] was made captain of that ship, Adama dismisses that as rumor.
*Roslin quickly ends the press conference. In her office, Roslin tells Adama she is surprised that the press took as long to ask about the ''Demetrius'' as they did. When Adama tells Roslin he think the issue will "blow over," Roslin disagrees. Not told of the mission, Roslin is angered that she may have to help Adama cover the true mission of the ship for a long time. Adama explains that he had to give Thrace a chance and himself a chance to believe in the [[Maelstrom|presumed-dead]] pilot, but Roslin only says, "Apparently." Adama leaves her office in silence.
*Galen Tyrol tries to explain to Cally that he and Tory Foster aren't having an affair, but Cally all but ignores him, telling him to drop their son off to the day care area and to ask the caregivers not to feed Nicky any of the [[algae mash]] as she thinks Nicky is allergic. Frustrated by Cally's avoidance of the subject, he slams his fist down on the table, upsetting his son, and tries to comfort him.
*On ''Colonial One'', Lee Adama is in a conference room for the Quorum meeting. Spotting the nameplate for Caprica, he tentatively sits down. Tom Zarek arrives, his mood dark. When Adama tells Zarek that he wanted to see Roslin to discuss some projects that [[Cowen]], his predecessor as Caprican delegate, had before she died, Zarek counters, explaining that, like himself, Roslin is keeping Adama on the sidelines. Zarek believes that Roslin does not forgive and forget easily. When Adama asks Zarek why he nominated him for the Quorum's side, Zarek tells him that it was because Adama stood up to defend Baltar and confront Roslin, he believed Adama would make an effective ally.
*Zarek feels that Roslin's increasingly secretive nature, by refusing to allow meeting to be recorded, is a sign of a larger issue, despite claiming to Adama that he remains loyal to Roslin. When Adama tells Zarek that he won't be giving a repeat of his work in Baltar's trial to undermine Roslin, saying that having a "benevolent tyrant" is better than the opposite, Zarek strongly disagrees. He asks Adama to trust him to aid in his fight to uncover the secrets that Roslin hides. He leaves a classified folder with Adama and leaves.
*In sickbay, Cally Tyrol asks for another sedative and for sleep, but Cottle objects, not wanting to turn his sickbay in an "opium den." He asks about her family life, which Cally tells all is not well since reaching the [[Ionian Nebula]].
*Cottle does side with Cally about her husband's problems, asking her to bring him in for examination. Cally smiles at Cottle's "tough love" stance but Cottle warns that she might actually be imagining things as her fatigue and drug use could be influencing her thoughts. Cally counters that she might, indeed be crazy, considering she married a man who [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|once broke her jaw]]. When Cottle asks if that was the last time that Galen had attacked Cally, she responds that she'd wished that he'd do so again (taking Cottle's cigarette from his hand and taking a drag), if only for her to gauge what Galen really felt about her. Cottle tells her to get some rest.
*On ''Colonial One'', the Quorum meeting continues. [[Sagittaron]] Quorum delegate [[Jacob Cantrell]] strongly questions Roslin about the ''Demetrius'' mission, which she defers to answer out of matters of security. Others are visibly upset with Roslin's answer and of each other when Roslin tries to steer the meeting back to other matters of the floor while Zarek, acting as the chair of the meeting, tries to establish order.
*Lee Adama speaks out, trying to calm the others through inferring, based on his own military experience, that the president and Admiral Adama are exploring all possible routes to Earth. The Quorum audibly relaxes at Adama's words, but Roslin sees Adama as trying to be her "spokesperson" and chastises him. She directs Cantrell to continue with his discussion on medical supplies.
* Lee Adama calls a point of order, which Zarek uses to compels Contrell to yield the floor for Adama to speak. Adama brings up Executive Order 112, which would concentrate more executive power. The Quorum angrily erupts when Roslin tries to bury the issue.
*On ''Galactica'', Cally Tyrol sadly recalls her good times with her husband. She kisses her son and goes to close a door when she sees a note stuck in the door that tells her to meet at Weapons Locker 1701D.
* When Cally arrives, she finds her husband, [[Saul Tigh]] and Tory Foster entering. She opens a maintenance panel, tiny and dangerous, and enters to listen in on the conversation.
*What Cally hears shocks her more than the suggestion that her husband is having an affair. Tigh had left the note to meet at the weapons locker for Galen, and suddenly realizes that Cally could have intercepted the note. Tigh warns of the complications if Cally discovered that her husband was a Cylon.
* Cally's shock knocks a metal plate, which tumbles noisily down the ship's interior, a series of pipes and conduits that run dangerously deep from where Cally is standing. The others in the room halt their discussion for a moment before leaving. Cally escapes the tunnel and runs back to her quarters, but Foster leaves and notices that the maintenance panel was ajar.
* Cally is back in her quarters, visibly upset, when her husband returns.
* He tries to apologize, tell Cally that the affair never happened, and that his commitment to his family is paramount. But Cally believes that Galen used her to have a hybrid child and strikes him with a wrench, knocking him unconscious. She takes her son and leaves but not before taking a key from Galen's pocket.
* Walking through the corridors to the [[hangar deck]], Cally (still holding Nicky) enters a [[launch tube]]. She looks at the stars through a window, then opens a maintenance door. Inserting the key she took from Galen, Cally activates the launch tube airlock. Tory Foster arrives, and approaches Cally and Nicky.
* Cally closes the launch tube airlock door, sealing them inside. Foster tries to reason with Cally, asking her to think about what she's about to do to herself and to her child. Foster explains that they only recently found out they were Cylons, and that they are still the same people, and that they are as scared and confused as everyone else. Cally breaks down and collapses on her knees, apologizing to Nicky for what she was about to do to him. Foster comforts Cally and takes Nicky in her arms, then suddenly strikes Cally with seemingly-superhuman strength, knocking her several body-lengths across the deck and putting her in a daze.
* Foster retrieves the launch tube key and exits the launch tube, Nicky in her arms. When Cally comes to, she finds herself alone trapped in the airlock, and Tory inside the launch control booth. Tory uses the key to activate the launch controls and opens the outer airlock door, sending Cally to her death in open space.
* Admiral Adama breaks the news of Cally's death to a motionless, silent Tyrol.

=== On the ''[[Demetrius]]'' ===
* On day 22 of the mission, ''Demetrius'' continues on its mission to find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], with as many as four [[Viper Mark II]] fighters magnetically locked onto its top hull.
* Inside, Kara Thrace appears frustrated as she pours through star charts and other navigation data, trying to gain her fix on the direction of Earth. [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the room as Thrace tells him of a decision.
* In a mess hall on the dark, dirty ship, [[Diana Seelix]] asks in frustration what they are looking for in deep space. A pilot named [[Eammon Pike|Pike]], looking at the centerfold of ''[[Nymph]]'' magazine, explains that they are searching for a gas giant with rings orbiting a trinary star cluster with a comet. Seelix angrily retorts that the search is more like a "[[frak|cluster-frak]]" to her when [[Helo]] admonishes her.
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are also in the room.
* Some of the group complains that Thrace's repeated course corrections are pointless. When Pike says that he thinks ''Galactica'' is hounding them in secret, waiting for Thrace to show her "true colors" as a Cylon, Anders defends her. When the mood darkens more, Helo orders everyone to be quiet.
*Thrace is quietly approaching, listening to the conversation from above the mess hall deck, and soon yells for Helo to talk to him. Anders looks above him to Thrace (standing on steel mesh decking) and asks if there is more that she can tell them about their destination, but Thrace coldly admonishes him by rank for asking. Thrace gives Helo new [[FTL]] coordinates.
*Anders meets with Thrace, as she paints what she has seen on a bulkhead. Anders complains that she needs to open up more about the mission with the rest of the crew, but Thrace disagrees. Reminding her that some of them volunteered for the mission, Thrace steers Anders's concerns to that of their failed marriage. Anders joins their marital arm tattoos., trying to remind her of what is real. Thrace angrily tells Anders that she married him only because he was a safe choice and he was naive enough to do so.
*The two exchange more words. Thrace explains to Anders that she's not the same woman he married. He pushes her into a bunk as their anger dissolves into sex.
*After sex, Thrace questions that she and Anders's marriage was real. She questions how her feelings, her perceptions of her past, as if she were watching it from another "alien" body far away. Ander's face suggests comprehension about [[Final Five|feeling unsure of identity]].

=== On the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s ===
* On a [[Resurrection Ship]], a [[Number One]] is [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrected]]. Another One tells his confused brother that he was shot by one of their own [[Cylon Centurion]]s. [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] is there with him.
* The first Number One wants to return to his baseship, but the second One tells him that he has been effectively kicked off from his own ship in a type of coup. Boomer apologizes that her swing vote to enforce the [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] "reconfiguration" failed, and kisses him deeply.
*On the same baseship where the Centurions shot several [[humanoid Cylon]]s for their part in the Raider reconfiguration, a Number One returns to the conference room where a Centurion is busily cleaning up the mess caused by their shootout.
*The Number One tries to understand why [[Natalie]] shifted power, suggesting to reunify the group. Natalie explains that the Raiders were only a symptom of a larger problem: Cavil's [[Rapture|earlier pressure]] on the group to [[box]] all [[Number Three]]s. Natalie says that mere unification of the [[Significant Seven|seven]] is not enough. She and the Eights at the table tell Number One that unification with the [[Final Five]] is the desired goal. Natalie wants all the Threes unboxed and work on unifying with the Five to begin.
*Cavil dislikes the idea of resuming the D'Anna's "messianic quest" that seemed to lead the remaining Cylons to this juncture, but agrees to bring Natalie's case to the other models. Natalie orders a Centurion to escort Cavil off the ship, but it hesitates until she says, "please." Cavil warns her that removing the [[inhibitor]]s from the Centurions has caused a bigger problem than Natalie realizes.
*Later, two Number Ones tell Natalie and two Number Eights the result of the vote: The consensus is to unbox the Threes, although Cavil/One remains against the idea.
*An Eight tries to solicit the Ones' support since his side was outvoted, but Natalie agrees with the Ones that the vote does not give Natalie's side the right to change the feelings of the Ones and create more discord.
* Cavil/One tells Natalie that the Threes' consciousness is being downloaded in a central resurrection hub six jumps away. Still harboring bad feelings about the decision, the two sides agree to stay on different baseships as they make their way back to hear of the Threes' discovery on the [[algae planet]].
* Cylon baseships controlled by Cavil join the rest of the fleet at their destination, but without the [[Resurrection Ship]]. The newly-arrived baseships break formation and surround Natalie's baseships, then launch an attack.
* On Cavil's baseship, Boomer worries that murder, permanent killing of their own kind without chance of resurrection is wrong. Cavil says coldly that God will watch over the dying Cylons' immortal souls. When Boomer questions who will watch over their souls, Cavil says, "We're machines, dear. We don't have souls."

== Notes ==

* This episode sees no net loss of life in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], with the exception of [[Cally Tyrol]]'s death later in this episode, reducing the overall survivor count to 39,675.
* The number and alphabetical designation of the weapons locker, 1701D, is a ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' reference. 1701-D is the registry number for the ''[[MemoryAlpha:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D)|USS Enterprise]]'' from that series, which Michael Taylor and [[Ronald D. Moore]] formerly worked on.
*Like "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]", this episode's title is derived from Christian traditions; [[w:Blessed Be the Tie that Binds|Blessed Be the Tie that Binds]] is a Protestant hymn celebrating the unity that comes from love.
* Prior to the episode airing, [[Michael Taylor]] stated: "we say goodbye to another longtime character, though who that is and the manner of his or her departure should come as a surprise."<ref name="thewatcher">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/answers-to-your.html|title=Answers to your 'Razor' questions and clues about 'Battlestar Galactica's' final season|date=16 November 2007|accessdate=16 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen}} </ref>
* The script was being written while "[[Razor]]" was still in pre-production.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* For the first time since the second season, the journalist [[Sekou Hamilton]] makes an appearance.

== Analysis ==
[[Image:Orion belt.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Orion's belt. [[:Image:Orion belt highlighted.jpg|View Highlighted Version]].]]
* The constellation [[w:Orion (constellation)|Orion]] appears twice in this episode. It is clearly visible in the background of the basestars shortly before Cavil's ships begin to attack, and again when Cally looks out the window in the launch tube shortly before she is confronted by Foster. This would indicate that both fleets are relatively close to Earth.
*The ringed gas giant [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] claims to have seen is shown in this episode, bearing a striking resemblance to [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]].
* The force with which Tory hits Cally indicates that the Final Five possess the Cylons' superhuman strength and if they possess this trait it is likely that the have other, physical Cylon traits as well.
* Foster also seems to be calmer, cooler, and more calculating than in the recent past. She appears to be more accepting of her Cylon nature than the others.
* Once again nobody notices the use of an airlock. It is hard to believe, that such a critical system is out of every control, especially at night, when the hangar deck is deserted.
* Given that [[Sarah Porter]] is not present at the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]] meeting on ''Colonial One'', it is likely that she no longer is [[Gemenon (RDM)|Gemenon]]'s delegate.
* Cavil and Boomer apparently have some sort of relationship. This was hinted at in the previous episode, when she dances lightly attired in front of him, but unclear.
* Although in public [[Laura Roslin]] claims to have forgiven [[Lee Adama]], and even to admire his convictions, she apparently still holds a grudge for how he treated her during Baltar's trial. She refuses to see him to discuss political issues, and later snubs him in a Quorum session where she ribs on his inexperience.
* When learning that her husband is a Cylon, Cally remembers seeing him cutting his finger and licking off the blood. Tyrol may have done this to convince himself that he is human. The drop of blood hitting the floor is the same image used as a framing device in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]" to signify the connection between Tyrol and Boomer.
* In this episode, we learn a lot about the Quorum of Twelve and about the state of fleet politics in general. The Quorum meeting shown in this episode is reminiscent in format of [[w:Question Time|Question Time]], a tradition of many parliamentary systems including that of the United Kingdom and Canada.
**The rowdiness and backtalk of the Quorum in particular is reminiscent of Prime Minister's Questions. However, unlike in Prime Minister's Questions or similar Question Time periods in real life parliaments, President Roslin makes some attempt at directing the meeting, rather than adopting the defensive posture the British Prime Minister is placed into. This suggests either a stronger constitutional role for the President or a further consolidation of power by Roslin.
** The Quorum is also, at least at this point, a non-partisan body. While parliaments and legislatures in real life are divided along party lines, there is no sign of this here. In particular, while government backbenchers usually ask flattering questions in contrast to the more challenging questions posed by the opposition, Adama is openly chastised by Roslin for attempting to ask an easy question.

== Questions ==

* Are all of the "renegade" Cylon faction baseships destroyed?

* Will the renegade models be boxed?

* Has [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] been left in foster care by her parents? If so, who have they found to look after her?

* Does the vague warning given by Cavil to Natalie about removing the inhibitors hint towards a Centurion rebellion against the humanoid Cylons?

* Will Boomer abandon Cavil's side now that he has resorted to lethal measures against Natalie's faction?

* Does Natalie escape?

* Are the execution of the Sixes, Eights, and Twos limited to the Cylon fleet or stretches also the Cylon homeworld?

* What is Foster's motivation for killing Cally Tyrol?

* Now that power has shifted to the more aggresive models, will the Cylon renew their attacks on the humans, or will the stress and distraction of the Cylon civil war protect the human fleet for the time being?

* What will Tigh and Tyrol do should they discover that it was Tory who murdered Cally?

* Does Tory's display of super-human strength indicate that the Final Four are gaining or activating traits that are part of the Significant Seven, such as 'projection'?

* Did Tory inform Adama about Cally's death as other 'executions', such as those performed by the Circle went unnoticed?

* Are Tory's actions indicating a gradual shifting of her allegiance from the humans to the Cylons?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''[[William Adama]] reads the opening of ''[[Love and Bullets]]'':''
:"It started like it always did. With a body. This one was in the river, and I could tell she had once been beautiful, but this bullet and fast current had taken away from her. All we are, or that we think we are, all that we are certain about, is taken away from us. When you've worked the streets and seen what I've seen, you become more and more convinced of it every day. [[Caprica City]] has been my teacher, my mistress. From the moment I opened my eyes, she is in my blood, like cheap wine. Bitter and sweet, tinged with regret. I'll never be free of her, nor do I wanna be, for she is what I am. All that is, should always be."

*''[[Tom Zarek]] and [[Lee Adama]] about [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]]'s leadership:''
:'''Adama:''' Well, sometimes a benevolent tyrant is exactly what you need.
:'''Zarek:''' No. A tyrant craves power for its own sake. And all Laura wants is to save us all.

*''[[Samuel Anders]] confronts [[Kara Thrace]]:''
:'''Anders:''' You know, some of us actually volunteered for this mission.
:'''Thrace:''' "Some" meaning you. Because that's what this is about, Sam. You know what the deal is, with us, with our marriage? It didn't make much sense to begin with. Makes even less now.
:'''Anders:''' I don't buy that. I don't think you believe a single, frakking word you're saying. You're just scared. You see that, mhh? You see [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Kara Thrace .26 Samuel Anders|this]]? Remember those? You remember when we got 'em? That's what's real, ok. That's part of who we are. That is a part of what ''you'' are, whether you will admit it or not.
:'''Thrace:''' Dumb motherfrakker. I only married you because it was save and it was easy, Sam. And you were just pathetic enough to go along with it. So get the frak out! (She shoves him out) Sam, get out! Get out! Leave, come on! Get out! (Anders takes her by the arms and holds her. They are almost kissing.) I don't want to fight, Sam. I wanna frak. You don't get it, do you? I'm not the same girl you married. All I wanna do right now is frak. Really frak, like it's the end of the world and nothing else matters. So come on, Sam, make me feel something. I dare you.
:(Anders shoves her away, then gives her a second shove onto the bunk bed.)

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as CPO [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Jen Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Christina Schild]] as [[Playa Palacios]]
* [[Biski Gugushe]] as [[Sekou Hamilton]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Donna Soares]] as Speaking Delegate #1
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] Delegate
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate #2
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]
* [[Leo Li Chiang]] as the [[tattooed pilot]] (uncredited)

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=245

== References ==
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The Ties That Bind

2008-04-19T22:50:31Z

Akagi: /* Notes */: Unnoticed use of an airlock

{{Episode Data
| image=4x03 - The Ties That Bind - Promo 2.jpg
| title= The Ties That Bind
| season= 4
| episode= 3
| forumthread= 888
| guests=
| writer=[[Michael Taylor]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Nankin]]
| production=405
| rating=
| US airdate=18 April 2008
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=39676
| oldpopulation=39676
| prev= [[Six of One]]
| next= [[Escape Velocity]]
| promo=
| hulu=Y
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace]] leads a [[Demetrius|ship]] in her search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], while ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crew deals with political and marital issues. On the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] side, the [[Significant Seven]]'s solidarity is challenged.

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and the Colonial Fleet ===
* [[Cally Tyrol]], waking from [[Nicholas Tyrol|her son's]] cries, has dreams recalling arguments with her husband, [[Galen Tyrol|Galen]], of apparently finding herself spending more time alone with her child and Galen avoiding her through work or other activity. In one scene she is taking medication, perhaps to help her sleep, or to fight depression.
* The dark room is unkempt, and medication and baby formula bottles are stacked on a table.
* When Cally Tyrol realizes that Nicky is actually crying, she comforts him and returns him to his crib. She calls [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], apparently to try to find her husband with no luck. She finds a napkin for [[Joe's bar]] in his clothing.
* At the bar, Galen Tyrol and [[Tory Foster]] are drinking [[ambrosia]] and other spirits. Galen laments that, before [[Final Five|their revelation]], he knew what he was: husband, crew chief, and father. Now, his identity is taking a beating.
* Foster flirts with Galen as Cally walks holding her son in a dreamy state (presumably drug related) to Joe's Bar. Cally's distorted vision believes she sees Foster touching Galen's arm seductively. Entering the bar, Cally angrily yells at Galen as he tries to explain. Angry and hurt, Cally takes her son and leaves the bar as Foster looks on, still drinking and not the least upset that she might have caused the Tyrol's strife.
*In [[sickbay]], Dr. [[Cottle]] administers to [[Laura Roslin]] another [[diloxin]] treatment, noting that the drug's nausea should go away in an hour.
* As Roslin tries to relax on the bed, [[William Adama]] sits by her bedside and begins to read from a book to her, ''[[Love and Bullets]]'', by Nick Talo, apparently a detective mystery novel.
* The book's passages of a character's lost love appear to reflect through Adama as he gazes at Roslin while he completes the passage: "From the moment I open my eyes, she's in my blood, bittersweet, tinged with regret. I'll never be free of her, nor do I want to be. For she is what I am, all that is, should always be."
* The scene shifts to a press conference on ''[[Colonial One]]'' where where [[Lee Adama]] accepts appointment to the [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprican]] seat to the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum]]. Vice President [[Tom Zarek]] is also in attendance.
*The press asks about questions of loyality between Lee Adama and his role in the [[Gaius Baltar]] trial, which Roslin dismisses.
* Reporter [[Playa Palacios]] asks about the whereabouts of the ''[[Demetrius]]'', missing now three weeks, Roslin defers the question to Admiral Adama, who cryptically explains that the ship is on a military mission. When [[Sekou Hamilton]] asks if [[Kara Thrace]] was made captain of that ship, Adama dismisses that as rumor.
*Roslin quickly ends the press conference. In her office, Roslin tells Adama she is surprised that the press took as long to ask about the ''Demetrius'' as they did. When Adama tells Roslin he think the issue will "blow over," Roslin disagrees. Not told of the mission, Roslin is angered that she may have to help Adama cover the true mission of the ship for a long time. Adama explains that he had to give Thrace a chance and himself a chance to believe in the [[Maelstrom|presumed-dead]] pilot, but Roslin only says, "Apparently." Adama leaves her office in silence.
*Galen Tyrol tries to explain to Cally that he and Tory Foster aren't having an affair, but Cally all but ignores him, telling him to drop their son off to the day care area and to ask the caregivers not to feed Nicky any of the [[algae mash]] as she thinks Nicky is allergic. Frustrated by Cally's avoidance of the subject, he slams his fist down on the table, upsetting his son, and tries to comfort him.
*On ''Colonial One'', Lee Adama is in a conference room for the Quorum meeting. Spotting the nameplate for Caprica, he tentatively sits down. Tom Zarek arrives, his mood dark. When Adama tells Zarek that he wanted to see Roslin to discuss some projects that [[Cowan]], his predecessor as Caprican delegate, had before she died, Zarek counters, explaining that, like himself, Roslin is keeping Adama on the sidelines. Zarek believes that Roslin does not forgive and forget easily. When Adama asks Zarek why he nominated him for the Quorum's side, Zarek tells him that it was because Adama stood up to defend Baltar and confront Roslin, he believed Adama would make an effective ally.
*Zarek feels that Roslin's increasingly secretive nature, by refusing to allow meeting to be recorded, is a sign of a larger issue, despite claiming to Adama that he remains loyal to Roslin. When Adama tells Zarek that he won't be giving a repeat of his work in Baltar's trial to undermine Roslin, saying that having a "benevolent tyrant" is better than the opposite, Zarek strongly disagrees. He asks Adama to trust him to aid in his fight to uncover the secrets that Roslin hides. He leaves a classified folder with Adama and leaves.
*In sickbay, Cally Tyrol asks for another sedative and for sleep, but Cottle objects, not wanting to turn his sickbay in an "opium den." He asks about her family life, which Cally tells all is not well since reaching the [[Ionian Nebula]].
*Cottle does side with Cally about her husband's problems, asking her to bring him in for examination. Cally smiles at Cottle's "tough love" stance but Cottle warns that she might actually be imagining things as her fatigue and drug use could be influencing her thoughts. Cally counters that she might, indeed be crazy, considering she married a man who [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I|once broke her jaw]]. When Cottle asks if that was the last time that Galen had attacked Cally, she responds that she'd wished that he'd do so again (taking Cottle's cigarette from his hand and taking a drag), if only for her to gauge what Galen really felt about her. Cottle tells her to get some rest.
*On ''Colonial One'', the Quorum meeting continues. [[Sagittaron]] Quorum delegate [[Jacob Cantrell]] strongly questions Roslin about the ''Demetrius'' mission, which she defers to answer out of matters of security. Others are visibly upset with Roslin's answer and of each other when Roslin tries to steer the meeting back to other matters of the floor while Zarek, acting as the chair of the meeting, tries to establish order.
*Lee Adama speaks out, trying to calm the others through inferring, based on his own military experience, that the president and Admiral Adama are exploring all possible routes to Earth. The Quorum audibly relaxes at Adama's words, but Roslin sees Adama as trying to be her "spokesperson" and chastises him. She directs Cantrell to continue with his discussion on medical supplies.
* Lee Adama calls a point of order, which Zarek uses to compels Contrell to yield the floor for Adama to speak. Adama brings up Executive Order 112, which would concentrate more executive power. The Quorum angrily erupts when Roslin tries to bury the issue.
*On ''Galactica'', Cally Tyrol sadly recalls her good times with her husband. She kisses her son and goes to close a door when she sees a note stuck in the door that tells her to meet at Weapons Locker 1701D.
* When Cally arrives, she finds her husband, [[Saul Tigh]] and Tory Foster entering. She opens a maintenance panel, tiny and dangerous, and enters to listen in on the conversation.
*What Cally hears shocks her more than the suggestion that her husband is having an affair. Tigh had left the note to meet at the weapons locker for Galen, and suddenly realizes that Cally could have intercepted the note. Tigh warns of the complications if Cally discovered that her husband was a Cylon.
* Cally's shock knocks a metal plate, which tumbles noisily down the ship's interior, a series of pipes and conduits that run dangerously deep from where Cally is standing. The others in the room halt their discussion for a moment before leaving. Cally escapes the tunnel and runs back to her quarters, but Foster leaves and notices that the maintenance panel was ajar.
* Cally is back in her quarters, visibly upset, when her husband returns.
* He tries to apologize, tell Cally that the affair never happened, and that his commitment to his family is paramount. But Cally believes that Galen used her to have a hybrid child and strikes him with a wrench, knocking him unconscious. She takes her son and leaves but not before taking a key from Galen's pocket.
* Walking through the corridors to the [[hangar deck]], Cally (still holding Nicky) enters a [[launch tube]]. She looks at the stars through a window, then opens a maintenance door. Inserting the key she took from Galen, Cally activates the launch tube airlock. Tory Foster arrives, and approaches Cally and Nicky.
* Cally closes the launch tube airlock door, sealing them inside. Foster tries to reason with Cally, asking her to think about what she's about to do to herself and to her child. Foster explains that they only recently found out they were Cylons, and that they are still the same people, and that they are as scared and confused as everyone else. Cally breaks down and collapses on her knees, apologizing to Nicky for what she was about to do to him. Foster comforts Cally and takes Nicky in her arms, then suddenly strikes Cally, knocking her down to the deck and putting her in a daze.
* Foster retrieves the launch tube key and exits the launch tube, Nicky in her arms. When Cally comes to, she finds herself alone trapped in the airlock, and Tory inside the launch control booth. Tory uses the key to activate the launch controls and opens the outer airlock door, sending Cally to her death in open space.
* Admiral Adama breaks the news of Cally's death to a motionless, silent Tyrol.

=== On the ''[[Demetrius]]'' ===
* On day 22 of the mission, ''Demetrius'' continues on its mission to find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], with as many as four [[Viper Mark II]] fighters are magnetically locked on its top hull.
* Inside, Kara Thrace appears frustrated as she pours through star charts and other navigation data, trying to gain her fix on the direction of Earth. [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the room as Thrace tells him of a decision.
* In a mess hall on the dark, dirty ship, [[Diana Seelix]] asks in frustration what they are looking for in deep space. A pilot named [[Eammon Pike|Pike]], looking at the centerfold of ''[[Nymph]]'' magazine, explains that they are searching for a gas giant with rings orbiting a trinary star cluster with a comet. Seelix angrily retorts that the search is more like a "[[frak|cluster-frak]]" to her when [[Helo]] admonishes her.
* [[Sharon Agathon]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are also in the room.
* Some of the group complains that Thrace's repeated course corrections are pointless. When Pike says that he thinks ''Galactica'' is hounding them in secret, waiting for Thrace to show her "true colors" as a Cylon, Anders defends her. When the mood darkens more, Helo orders everyone to be quiet.
*Thrace is quietly approaching, listening to the conversation from above the mess hall deck, and soon yells for Helo to talk to him. Anders looks above him to Thrace (standing on steel mesh decking) and asks if there is more that she can tell them about their destination, but Thrace coldly admonishes him by rank for asking. Thrace gives Helo new [[FTL]] coordinates.
*Anders meets with Thrace, as she paints what she has seen on a bulkhead. Anders complains that she needs to open up more about the mission with the rest of the crew, but Thrace disagrees. Reminding her that some of them volunteered for the mission, Thrace steers Anders's concerns to that of their failed marriage. Anders joins their marital arm tattoos., trying to remind her of what is real. Thrace angrily tells Anders that she married him only because he was a safe choice and he was naive enough to do so.
*The two exchange more words. Thrace explains to Anders that she's not the same woman he married. He pushes her into a bunk as their anger dissolves into sex.
*After sex, Thrace questions that she and Anders's marriage was real. She questions how her feelings, her perceptions of her past, as if she were watching it from another "alien" body far away. Ander's face suggests comprehension about [[Final Five|feeling unsure of identity]].

=== On the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s ===
* On a [[Resurrection Ship]], a [[Number One]] is [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrected]]. Another One tells his confused brother that he was shot by one of their own [[Cylon Centurion]]s. [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] is there with him.
* The first Number One wants to return to his baseship, but the second One tells him that he has been effectively kicked off from his own ship in a type of coup. Boomer apologizes that her swing vote to enforce the [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] "reconfiguration" failed, and kisses him deeply.
*On the same baseship where the Centurions shot several [[humanoid Cylon]]s for their part in the Raider reconfiguration, a Number One returns to the conference room where a Centurion is busily cleaning up the mess caused by their shootout.
*The Number One tries to understand why [[Natalie]] shifted power, suggesting to reunify the group. Natalie explains that the Raiders were only a symptom of a larger problem: Cavil's [[Rapture|earlier pressure]] on the group to [[box]] all [[Number Three]]s. Natalie says that mere unification of the [[Significant Seven|seven]] is not enough. She and the Eights at the table tell Number One that unification with the [[Final Five]] is the desired goal. Natalie wants all the Threes unboxed and work on unifying with the Five to begin.
*Cavil dislikes the idea of resuming the D'Anna's "messianic quest" that seemed to lead the remaining Cylons to this juncture, but agrees to bring Natalie's case to the other models. Natalie orders a Centurion to escort Cavil off the ship, but it hesitates until she says, "please." Cavil warns her that removing the [[inhibitor]]s from the Centurions has caused a bigger problem than Natalie realizes.
*Later, two Number Ones tell Natalie and two Number Eights the result of the vote: The consensus is to unbox the Threes, although Cavil/One remains against the idea.
*An Eight tries to solicit the Ones' support since his side was outvoted, but Natalie agrees with the Ones that the vote does not give Natalie's side the right to change the feelings of the Ones and create more discord.
* Cavil/One tells Natalie that the Threes' consciousness is being downloaded in a central resurrection hub six jumps away. Still harboring bad feelings about the decision, the two sides agree to stay on different baseships as they make their way back to hear of the Threes' discovery on the [[algae planet]].
* Cylon baseships controlled by Cavil join the rest of the fleet at their destination, but without the [[Resurrection Ship]]. The newly-arrived baseships break formation and surround Natalie's baseships, then launch an attack.
* On Cavil's baseship, Boomer worries that murder, permanent killing of their own kind without chance of resurrection is wrong. Cavil says coldly that God will watch over the dying Cylons' immortal souls. When Boomer questions who will watch over their souls, Cavil says, "We're machines, dear. We don't have souls."

== Notes ==

* This episode sees no net loss of life in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], with the exception of [[Cally Tyrol]]'s death later in this episode, reducing the overall survivor count to 39,675.
* The number and alphabetical designation of the weapons locker, 1701D, is a ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' reference. 1701-D is the registry number for the ''[[MemoryAlpha:USS Enterprise (NCC-1701-D)|USS Enterprise]]'' from that series, which Michael Taylor and [[Ronald D. Moore]] formerly worked on.
*Like "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]", this episode's title is derived from Christian traditions; [[w:Blessed Be the Tie that Binds|Blessed Be the Tie that Binds]] is a Protestant hymn celebrating the unity that comes from love.
* Prior to the episode airing, [[Michael Taylor]] stated: "we say goodbye to another longtime character, though who that is and the manner of his or her departure should come as a surprise."<ref name="thewatcher">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/answers-to-your.html|title=Answers to your 'Razor' questions and clues about 'Battlestar Galactica's' final season|date=16 November 2007|accessdate=16 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen}} </ref>
* The script was being written while "[[Razor]]" was still in pre-production.<ref name="thewatcher"/>
* For the first time since the second season, the journalists [[Playa Palacios]] and [[Sekou Hamilton]] make an appearance.
* Once again nobody notices the use of an airlock. It is hard to believe, that such a critical system is out of every control, especially at night, when the hangar deck is deserted

== Analysis ==
[[Image:Orion belt.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Orion's belt. [[:Image:Orion belt highlighted.jpg|View Highlighted Version]].]]
* The constellation [[w:Orion (constellation)|Orion]] appears twice in this episode. It is clearly visible in the background of the basestars shortly before Cavil's ships begin to attack, and again when Cally looks out the window in the launch tube shortly before she is confronted by Foster. This would indicate that both fleets are relatively close to Earth.
*The ringed gas giant [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] claims to have seen is shown in this episode, bearing a striking resemblance to [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]].
* The force with which Tory hits Cally indicates that the Final Five possess the Cylons' superhuman strength and if they possess this trait it is likely that the have other, physical Cylon traits as well.
* Foster also seems to be calmer, cooler, and more calculating than in the recent past. She appears to be more accepting of her Cylon nature than the others.
* Cavil and Boomer apparently have some sort of relationship. This was hinted at in the previous episode, when she dances lightly attired in front of him, but unclear.
* Although [[Laura Roslin]] claims to have forgiven [[Lee Adama]] in public, and even to admire his convictions, she apparently still holds a grudge for how he treated her during Baltar's trial. Later, she snubs him in a Quorum session and ribs on his inexperience.

== Questions ==

* Are all of the "renegade" Cylon faction baseships destroyed?

* Will the renegade models be boxed?

* Has [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] been left in foster care by her parents? If so, who have they found to look after her?

* Does the vague warning given by Cavil to Natalie about removing the inhibitors hint towards a Centurion rebellion against the humanoid Cylons?

* Will Boomer abandon Cavil's side now that he has resorted to lethal measures against Natalie's faction?

* What is Foster's motivation for killing Cally Tyrol?

* Now that power has shifted to the more aggresive models, will the Cylon renew their attacks on the humans?

== Official Statements ==

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as CPO [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Number One]]
* [[Jen Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Christina Schild]] as [[Playa Palacios]]
* [[Biski Gugushe]] as [[Sekou Hamilton]]
* [[Finn R. Devitt]] as [[Nicholas Tyrol]] (credited as "Baby Nicky")
* [[Donna Soares]] as Speaking Delegate #1
* [[Andrew McIlroy]] as [[Jacob Cantrell]]
* [[Judith Maxie]] as [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] Delegate
* [[Iris Paluly]] as Speaking Delegate #2
* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Chronides]]

== External Links ==
*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] on the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=245

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2008-04-19T15:03:21Z

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Battle of New Caprica

2008-04-16T19:24:56Z

Akagi: Added link the episode.

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| image=BONC.jpg
| description=
| conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=
| place=Near [[New Caprica]] space; on New Caprica
| result=Successful retrieval of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], deposition of the [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] administration, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is captured by Cylons
| combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1=Admiral [[William Adama]], Commander [[Lee Adama]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Former President [[Laura Roslin]]
| co2=[[Basestar command]], [[Cylon Occupation Authority]]
| strength1=Battlestars ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and '' [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'',<br/> [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]],<br/> [[Red Squadron (RDM)|Red Squadron]],<br >[[New Caprica Resistance]] and Colonial [[Marines]]
| strength2=Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], associated [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider]]s,<br/> Ground occupation forces and associated <br/>[[Cylon Centurion]]s
| shiploss1=Battlestar ''Pegasus'',<br/> several civilian ships <br/>(off screen),<br/>Heavy damage to ''Galactica''
| shiploss2=At least two basestars<br/>One basestar possibly destroyed<br/>Moderate damage to additional basestar
| casualties1=Approximately 2,592<ref>This number is calculated from all available population data. See [[Survivor count]] for the details.</ref><br>
| casualties2=Unknown, Heavy
| prev=[[Battle of the Guardian basestar]]
| next=[[Battle of NCD2539]]
| series=RDM
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''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' launches a daring mission to occupy the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon forces']] attention as the majority of the Colonial citizens escape from Cylon occupation on [[New Caprica]].

Prior to the battle, Admiral [[William Adama]] makes contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], and later deploys a [[Raptor]], Lt. [[Sharon Agathon]] commanding, to coordinate a plan to liberate the colonists from the planet safely during the Colonial offensive. Agathon uses her [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon heritage]] to retrieve the Colonial civilan ships' [[launch key]]s from a secured Cylon building, while [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] train the colonists in "fire drills," meant to show readiness to the [[Cylon Occupation Authority]] in the event of a natural disaster, but in reality has prepared the colonists to escape to any Colonial ship to leave the planet and the Cylons.

Admiral Adama begins the offensive with an elaborate plan that relies on a squadron of [[Raptor]]s, escorted by [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] and together designated [[Red Squadron (RDM)|Red Squadron]], to fire a series of [[swallow]]s that collectively mimic the EM signatures of his two Colonial battlestars. After firing the swallows, the Raptors retreat, luring several [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] further from the planet. The Cylons are deceived temporarily by the false readings.

On [[New Caprica]], Samuel Anders and the resistance team detonate dozens of bombs in key Cylon structures as a feigned attack by Colonial forces. The people evacuate per their fire-drill training, but escape to the various grounded ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], which prepare their engines and [[FTL]] drives to depart. Many people become pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] fire.

Admiral Adama performs an extremely risky move. He orders ''Galactica'' to conduct an intra-atmosphere [[FTL]] jump, escaping the detection of the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] in orbit. While in freefall, it launches [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]]. The [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] perform hit-and-run attacks on Cylons on the ground and in [[Guard towers|observation towers]], and interdict the few Raiders operating near the surface. Blue Squadron destroys the main gates of the civilian shipyard to allow access and escape. Before ''Galactica'' impacts the surface, it performs a second jump back into space. Stress from the vibration and ionized gases from reentry heavily tax the structure of the battlestar.

Soon, the two basestars engage ''Galactica'' without any fighter support, their Raiders engaged elsewhere. ''Galactica''’s mission analysis had predicted that only two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] would engage. However, two more basestars jump into the vicinity to attack the battlestar.

With the Vipers destroying targets on the ground and in the air in vicinity of New Caprica City, the civilians previously pinned down are able to board their ships. Simultaneously, Colonial [[Marines]] and resistance members assault the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]], freeing [[Kara Thrace]] and other detainees.

The Cylons in charge on the ground begin their retreat, escaping in a Heavy Raider as they task a [[Number Three]] with setting off a nuclear detonation to "clean up."

In the four-baseship assault, ''Galactica's'' FTL drives and maneuvering thrusters are disabled, and the port side of the ship reaches its structural limits. Upon hearing that the FTL drive is disabled, Admiral Adama is resigned to imminent destruction when battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', against orders, appears and joins the attack. The [[Mercury class battlestar]]'s forward [[battery|batteries]] score several hits that severely damage or destroy one basestar. On the surface, most of the civilian ships become airborne and jump away.

Commander [[Lee Adama]] directs ''Pegasus'' to a position between the basestars targeting ''Galactica'', in an effort to draw fire away from her. Admiral Adama infers from the absence of Vipers from ''Pegasus'' that its Vipers are guarding the remaining ships of the Fleet at the rendezvous point and that ''Pegasus'' is on a one-way trip. While ''Pegasus'' endures serious bombardment, ''Galactica'' is able to bring its FTL drive back on line, retrieves her Vipers, and escapes.

With ''Pegasus'' taking mortal damage, Commander Adama orders all to abandon ship (using standby Raptors to jump away from the battle) setting all weapons to auto-fire and directing the ship on a collision course with one of the basestars before departing. The mortally damaged, unmanned ''Pegasus'' collides with one basestar, destroying both. The remnants of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s starboard [[flight pod]] collide with another of the remaining basestars, destroying it.

''[[Colonial One]]'' is the last Colonial ship to leave the planet. On the surface, the Cylons' planned nuclear detonation (which would be of questionable tactical value now that the Colonials have left the planet) does not occur ([[Exodus, Part II]]).

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Battlestar Wiki:Sandbox/He That Believeth in Me

2008-04-16T18:26:56Z

Akagi: /* Ionian Nebula */

{{Episode Data
| image=4x01 - Promo 1.jpg
| title= He That Believeth In Me
| season= 4
| episode= 1
| forumthread= 729
| guests=
| extra= '''Season 4.0 Premiere'''
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] <br/> [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Michael Rymer]]
| production=403
| rating= 1.6
| US airdate= 4 April 2008
| UK airdate=15 April 2008
| dvd=
| population=39698
| oldpopulation=41398
| prev= [[Crossroads, Part II]]
| next= [[Six of One]]
| hulu=Y
| unbox=B00178W020
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== Overview ==

: ''During a seemingly hopeless [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula|battle]], [[Kara Thrace]] appears in a pristine [[Viper Mark II|Viper]], claiming that she has been to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] and can lead the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] there -- but the terminal [[Laura Roslin]] believes otherwise. Meanwhile, four of the so-called [[Final Five]] are forced to tackle the repercussions of their newfound nature, while [[Gaius Baltar]] discovers he has a [[Cult of Baltar|commune of nubile female cultists]] who believe him to be an agent of the [[God (RDM)|"one true God"]]. ''

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

* [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] are flying side-by-side, staring at each other across space. Lee is in a state of disbelief. Thrace rebukes his claim that her [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] [[Maelstrom#Act 4|exploded]]. She says that she's found Earth, describes some of its attributes, as the [[CIC]] crew listens to the chatter.
* [[William Adama]], who is clearly emotional, demands that the ship be identified. [[Felix Gaeta]] does so, replying that the ship's recognition codes match, while [[Anastasia Dualla]] tries to get Lee on the comline. [[Karl Agathon]] notes that the woman's voice sounds like Thrace's.
* [[Laura Roslin]], recovered from her [[Crossroads, Part II|earlier headache]], notes that it is likely a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] trick.
* Adama orders that the verification be duplicated, however Gaeta notes that more than 200 Cylon [[Raider (RDM)|Raider]]s are inbound. Adama orders that the Vipers and Raptor pickets engage the Cylons.
* Hearing the order, Thrace tells Lee not to lose her. "Not a chance," he replies, as both begin engaging the first wave of Raiders. Thrace kills a Raider, its blood covering her ship.
* Roslin reiterates her belief that Thrace's voice is a "Cylon trick".
* Gaeta reports that the Vipers have stopped the main Cylon thrust, but the reserves have broken through the line, and are headed to the Fleet.
* Adama tells [[Saul Tigh]] that he wants everything launched.
[[Image:403 - Tigh scream, you scream, we all scream.jpg|thumb|[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a waking nightmare where he believes he shot [[William Adama]].]]
* Tigh hesitates, then experiences a vision where he pulls out a gun and shoots Adama in his right eye. However, he is awakened out of his waking-state "nightmare", as Adama continues to bark orders at him. He wants everyone who has "ever held a stick" up in the air. Unsure of what exactly happened, Tigh relays the order.
* [[Galen Tyrol]] is barking out orders on the [[hangar deck]]. Ensigns [[Diana Seelix]] and [[Samuel Anders]] arrive. En route to their ships, as Seelix goes off, Anders begins to vocally question whether or not he'll turn against "his own" after he launches. Tyrol tells him to "shut the [[frak]] up" and follow Tigh's lead: be the man he wants to be.
* During the pep-talk, [[Sharon Agathon]] approaches them, overhearing a snippet of the conversation. She asks who else would he be and then gives him advice to retain his cool out in the fray. She walks off to her Raptor; Anders is relieved that she didn't ferret him out, and hopes the other Cylons won't be able to either.
* Tyrol tells him to not give them the chance to find out, and tells Anders to get to his ship.
* [[Gaius Baltar]] and his [[Cult of Baltar|female admirers]], led by a woman named [[Jeanne]], escort Baltar through the ship, heading to a previously-abandoned compartment on the ship. En route, they pass by [[Charlie Connor]], who catches a glimpse of Baltar, even though Baltar is covered in a shawl.
* During the battle, a damaged Raider sprawls out of control and crashes into the ''[[Pyxis]]'', destroying the ship.
* Gaeta reports this and Roslin is shocked, saying that they've lost 600 souls, including Captain [[Tarney]]. Roslin then inquires as to how the Cylons were able to find them. Tigh and [[Tory Foster]] exchange glances [[Crossroads, Part II#Act 4|again]].
* Gaeta reports that the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s have launched 50 plus missiles. Half are headed towards the Fleet, the other half are headed towards ''Galactica''. Adama believes that ''Galactica'' can take the beating, but the Fleet would be wiped out by such an attack; he orders that all the missiles headed towards the Fleet be shot down.
* Anders launches and, still fearing that he may have Cylon programming yet to be turned on, begins summarizing his life. Seelix replies that he's jamming up the wireless, since he has the transmit button pressed down. Anders release the button and chastises himself.
* Cylon warheads begin striking ''Galactica''. Two missiles headed toward the Fleet strike the ''[[Space Park]]'', damaging her.
* Seelix manages to destroy a warhead that would have struck ''[[Colonial One]]''. However, a Raider comes up from behind her and begins to pursue her. Anders comes up from behind the Raider, and attempts to take the Raider out, but his weapons have apparently seized. The Raider suddenly breaks off its attack on Seelix and confronts Anders. The Raider then performs some kind of scan on Anders using its red eye. Anders' iris in his right eye glows red and the Raider disengages.
* The Raiders flock back to the baseships, which spin their [[FTL]] drives, much to the confusion of the Colonials who know that the Cylons had them dead to rights. Adama orders that they take advantage of the opportunity they've been presented, ordering the fighters to cover their rear while the Fleet begins jump prep.
* Tigh asks why the Cylons withdrew, Foster replies that "maybe something's changed", referring to their newfound knowledge of being Cylons. Roslin asks what the "change" may be, but Tigh feigns ignorance.

=== Act 1 ===

* After the Fleet makes its first jump away from the Ionian Nebula, Baltar is being led to the women's enclave. [[Jeanne]] reassures him that he'll be safe as they approach a compartment previously dedicated to dry stowage.
* Connor and another male associate have followed the group to the compartment, but do not enter.
* In the compartment, Baltar enters a commune consisting mostly of young, nubile women and men, all primarily Caucasian. They look subserviently downward, unwilling to meet his gaze, until he comes across a shrine with glorified Christmas-lights. He merely looks around and mutters, "Right", in a state of semi-disbelief.
* Tyrol looks over Thrace's blood-covered, yet otherwise pristine Mark II Viper. As Thrace opens the cockpit, she tells Tyrol to develop her gun camera footage, claiming to have some great shots to show everyone. She asks for her post-flight checklist. Tyrol replies that she has none.
* Pilots who've landed start to approach Thrace and her Viper. Lee, who just landed, runs up and hugs her.
* From the walkway above the hangar bay, Tigh asks Adama if he believes in miracles. Adama replies in the negative.
* Anders follows Lee's suit, saying that he told everyone that she was too "frakking mean to kill". She notes Anders' apparel, learning that Anders has been trained as a Viper pilot, which she finds unbelievable.
* Thrace tells Adama that she found Earth. Adama replies with Marines, who are ordered to escort her to sickbay where [[Cottle]] will give her a complete examination.
* Thrace reveals that, from her point of view, she's been off the ship for six hours. Anders replies that it has been over two months since she died, which Lee confirms.
* In the commune, Jeanne tells Baltar that she's going to get her son, [[Derrick]], asking him not to go anywhere on the ship, since it isn't safe for him. Jeanne tells him that [[Tracey Anne]] will be with him to give him whatever he needs.
* Baltar claims that he's praying for Derrick, who is presently in ''Galactica's'' sickbay. When he asks about travel arrangements, Jeanne notes that security is too tight to smuggle him off ''Galactica''. Her fellow cultist, [[Paulla Schaffer]], adds that none of the other ships would have him.
* As they leave, [[Virtual Six]] in a red blouse appears to him. She asks why he is glum, given that he faced execution, yet was granted life. He replies that he's doomed to be stuck in a looney bin with a bunch of cultists. Virtual Six assures him that she hasn't brought him this far for nothing, then he begins to ask for a ray of hope for the future...
* Tracey Anne sees Baltar on his knees, appearing to pray. She finds it beautiful, but a hollow ritual. She tells him that when she prays, she feels empty. Prompted by Six, Baltar claims that the Gods they worship are false and that there is only one true God, all the while she's copping a feel on him. As he explains how the gods were propagated by the "ruling elite" to suppress their knowledge of "the truth", she unbuttons his shirt.
* As he reveals that "there's only one God", Tracey Anne exposes her breasts to him. Assured that they are alone and the door is locked, she moves his hands to cup her breasts, where Tracey Anne asks him if he feels God's presence.
[[Image:403 - God's presence.jpg|thumb|Baltar "feels" God's presence.]]
* "You know what," he replies glibly, "I think I do." Then they fornicate in the presence of the shrine.
* In Adama's quarters, Thrace is told that all her tests check out, and it appears she is human. She accuses them of thinking that she's a Cylon.
* Roslin, who is present with Tory Foster and Lee Adama, presses her for her story of how she found Earth.
* Thrace claims that she followed a [[Heavy Raider]] into the storm, taking some fire, then blacked out. When she came to, she was orbiting Earth, which she was able to identify from the descriptions in the [[Book of Pythia]]. Showing the pictures that were developed from her gun camera, she claims that the pictures are of Earth and her moon. Further, she claims to have been able to match the star configurations from what was seen in the [[Tomb of Athena]].
* Thrace claims that she doesn't know how she was able to find them at the Ionian Nebula. Roslin continues to press her for information. She replies that she turned the ship to a reciprocal heading, and later blacked out. She adds that she remembers a giant gas planet with rings. She also claims to have seen a comet.
* Roslin moves to questioning the time discrepancy. Thrace remains adamant that she found Earth, took the pictures, and was able to return to the Fleet.
* In the hangar bay, Tyrol shows Adama (who is accompanied by Roslin, Foster, Lee, and Tigh) the Viper Thrace returned in. He notes that, after it was cleaned up, the Viper is pristine, as if it came off the "showroom floor".
* Tyrol confirms that while the tail numbers match the one she flew out on, the ship is not the same one he's been repairing for years. Further, the navigational computer has no entries in it.
* Roslin tells Adama to put Thrace in the brig. Lee objects, asking about Cottle's test. Tigh grumpily replies that Cottle's test doesn't mean a thing, and also that Baltar's [[Cylon detector]] is a crock that failed to identify [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. <ref>Despite Tigh mentioning the Cylon detector, dialogue only states that Doctor Cottle compared Thrace's DNA with the one on record in her files (the same procedure he used with [[Bulldog]] in "[[Hero]]"). Baltar's Cylon detector, however, uses a more complex molecular analysis to generate a result.</ref>
* Adama ruefully notes that they're back at square one. Any one of them can be a Cylon, and they wouldn't know it until they had a bullet in their heads, or led the Fleet into an ambush. Roslin notes that something stopped the Cylons from destroying the Fleet, and she believes that Thrace is somehow responsible for it. Further, Roslin believes that Thrace was returned to them to pull them off their course.
* Lee notes that they don't have a course, since they weren't able to stay at the nebula. He posits that Thrace may very well be the "signpost" they've been looking for, but Roslin will have none of it.

=== Act 2 ===

* Baltar and Tracey Anne, both unclothed, are awakened by the presence of Jeanne and the cultists. Jeanne brings Derrick, who is ill with viral encephalitis and cannot be treated with medicines, and asks Baltar to pray for his recovery. Baltar says that Derrick has to be strong, and they have to be strong for him. Jeanne says that she didn't want Derrick to die in the [[sickbay]].
* Baltar reiterates his claim that he prays for Derrick. Jeanne claims to know this, but adds that she believes that the "one true God" doesn't want Derrick to live. A wide-eyed, nutty Baltar cannot answer this question.
* In Tigh's quarters, the "[[frakr:Fantastic Four|Final Four]]" are assembled. Tigh inquires about the "[[The Music|frakking music]]", and everyone replies that they no longer hear it. Tyrol posits that it may have stopped upon discovering their true natures, but they still don't know for certain what it was.
* Anders recites his experience with the Cylon Raider scanning him. Even after Anders recalls the tale, they don't know what to make of the Cylons' sudden retreat, or Ander's inability to fire on the Raider. Tigh remains adamant that [[Racetrack]] was right: Anders had made a "dumb nugget mistake" by leaving the weapon safeties on.
* They broach the topic of being programmed to sabotage the Fleet, like [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]]. Tigh vociferously contends that Boomer did not know who she was; they do, and they silently agree to kill themselves before they do anything against the humans.
* Roslin visits [[Caprica Six]] in the brig. Roslin discusses the shared dream they experienced in the [[Opera House]], where Caprica saw more than she did. Roslin asks Caprica to help her with information regarding the Cylons known as the Final Five, since she wants to know if Kara Thrace is one of them. Caprica replies that they are programmed not to think of the Five, but notes that they are close since she can feel them.
* In the CIC, Thrace is reviewing star charts with Gaeta, who is clearly aggravated. Agathon notices Gaeta's behavior and relieves him. Thrace notes that no one believes her, since everyone seems to think she's a Cylon. In a conversation that begins to get heated, Adama overhears Thrace's reasoning that finding the star systems on their charts won't work.
[[Image:Thrace's headache.jpg|thumb|Thrace experiences a headache...]]
* Thrace tells them that she can find the way to Earth by feeling it. She says that the more jumps they do away from their starting point (the Ionian Nebula), the harder it is for her to tell the road to Earth, given that they are going the wrong way.
* Adama dismisses Agathon. Adama reveals that Roslin's adamant that they continue the course laid before them by the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. As they execute another FTL jump, Thrace experiences a headache and says they're going the wrong way, and fears she may lose the feeling completely. She asks for them to go back to the nebula and while Adama would like to believe her, he can't go to Roslin and ask her to dismiss the writings of Pythia and the information derived from the supernova.
* Adama reveals that he's just "left her ship", noting that it is pristine, and asks her to explain that fact. She cannot, but swears to the Gods that she ''is'' Kara Thrace and that he can trust her on her intuition.
* Adama painfully replies that he can't afford to trust her, and she leaves with her marine escort.

=== Act 3 ===

* Lee and William Adama are watching Lee's gun camera footage of Thrace's death near the mandala. The elder Adama asks whether he should believe his heart or his eyes. Lee replies that he shares the same state of mind.
* Adama says he wants to believe Thrace, but notes that Roslin's right, and that the Cylons may be counting on Adama's belief. He adds that they'll follow Roslin's lead for the time being.
* Lee asks if Roslin's still staying in his father's quarters. Adama replies in the positive, noting that this is temporary until they can find quarters where she can wait for the remaining [[diloxin]] treatments.
* Adama thanks Lee for suiting up during the fight. As an unspoken apology for an earlier heated discussion about Lee's integrity, Adama offers Lee his wings back. However, Lee notes that while he removed those for the wrong reasons, he's had feelers from the government, who have offered him a chance to do more than he ever could do in the cockpit. He feels that Baltar's trial was a "trigger", but he notes that he needs a change and move on.
[[Image:Yet another frakking Adama talk.jpg|thumb|The Adamas reconcile... a tad.]]
* After an uncomfortable, solemn silence, Lee asks what would have happened had [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had been in the cockpit, and it was revealed that he were a Cylon, and always had been. He asks if they would still love him, but Adama does not answer the question.
* At the commune, Baltar watches over Derrick as Jeanne and the others sleep. He then makes a decision to leave, but before he does so, he returns and prays over Derrick. Baltar asks why God should choose to take an innocent life instead of his own, because he's failed so many people and brought so much grief on the human race, yet the boy has done nothing to sin against God.
* As he prays, the women wake up and stare at him. Jeanne also awakens and begins to cry softly, clearly touched by this display. After Baltar is done, he looks around and walks away.
* Later on, Baltar and Schaffer walk through ''Galactica'''s oddly empty corridors heading towards the officer's head. During the conversation, she says that they were all moved by Baltar's prayer. Baltar ruefully notes that it did no good, as Derrick's sickness has become worse. Schaffer tells Baltar that the prayer helped ensure that God looks after his immortal soul, which Baltar glibly snaps at.
* Baltar tells Schaffer that they shouldn't look at him for guidance, implying that they are young and easily misguided. Baltar inquires as to what they're doing in the head, in reply to which, she snaps out a straight razor which he uses to shave his beard.
* After he is fully shaven, Charlie Connor enters. He appears very cordial towards Baltar, addressing him as "Mister President", and despite Schaffer's urging, Baltar strikes up a conversation with Connor. Connor reveals that they met at [[Founders' Day]] on [[New Caprica]], where Baltar also met Kevin (his son) who told Baltar that he wanted to be president when he grew up. Baltar then asks after Kevin.
* Connor reveals that Kevin died at the hands of the [[New Caprica Police]] during the Cylon occupation. Schaffer heads towards the hatch, only to be restrained by an associate of Connor's (possibly [[Shaunt]]). As she's being restrained, Connor assaults Baltar and places the razor Baltar used to Baltar's throat. Connor orders Baltar to look at him; Baltar does so, wide-eyed.

=== Act 4 ===

[[Image:Connor attacks Baltar.jpg|thumb|[[Charlie Connor]] attacks [[Gaius Baltar]].]]

* Connor demands that Baltar scream. He wants to know if anyone would come after him. Meanwhile, Shaunt begins choking Schaffer to death.
* Baltar is brought to his knees. When Connor starts cutting into his throat, Virtual Six arises and asks if he was sincere in his prayer. He replies to Six that he is sincere, and begs that his life be taken. Connor is flummoxed at this.
* Schaffer manages to break free from Shaunt and breaks off a handle from a nearby floor washing bucket. She beats Shaunt with it, incapacitating him, then saves Baltar. She continues to beat Connor until Baltar stops her.
* En route to the commune, an exhilarated Schaffer says that she knew God wouldn't abandon Baltar and that she had felt his love course through her, giving her the power to smite his attackers. He ruefully retorts that there'd be less fighting next time, unless she wants to be up on murder charges.
* Baltar enters the enclave to discover that Derrick has fully recovered from his encephalitis. As the cultists look on at him, Six appears with a smirk on her face.
* In the [[memorial hallway]], Thrace notes to Anders that no one has removed her picture from the wall. Anders tells her to cut Adama and everyone some slack, since they are trying to figure out what happened to her.
* She tells Anders that she figured her experience of finding Earth was a dream. She begins theorizing about the logistics of her return aloud, speculating that the Cylons may have pulled her out of the soup and brainwashed her, or managed to clone her from parts that were extracted from her during her time in the Cylon baby [[farms]].
* Anders disputes this, saying that if she were a Cylon, she's been one from the beginning. He professes his undying love for her, even if she may be a Cylon. She replies that he's more forgiving that she'd ever be, noting that if Anders were a Cylon, she'd kill him.
[[Image:Thrace and her gun.jpg|thumb|Thrace points a gun at Laura Roslin.]]
* After another jump, Thrace experiences another headache. She insists that the Fleet's going the wrong way. She claims that if she goes through one more jump, she'll lose the way.
* Anders offers her a bunk, but Thrace begins to believe that the only way to stop going the wrong way is to deal with Roslin. She incapacitates the female marine, while Anders knocks [[Nowart]]'s gun aside before he can fire it.
* Thrace incapacitates Nowart as well. Anders asks what the hell she's doing. She asks where Roslin is, but Anders refuses to answer, so she knocks him out.
* Thrace takes out the marines guarding Adama's quarters, using a stun grenade<ref>Also known as a "flash bang", see the [[w:Grenade#Stun grenades|Wikipedia article about it]]</ref>. Roslin, who is sleeping in Adama's bunk, awakens to find Thrace approaching her. As Roslin stands, Thrace aims a gun at her head.

== Notes ==

* This season shows the first major change in the teaser titles since the series began. Instead of the "Cylons have a Plan" claim, the new titles show: "Twelve Cylon models. Seven are known. Four live in secret. One will be revealed."
* As with Season 3's season opener, the length of this episode's teaser clocks near the 10 minute mark.
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] has been re-added to the opening credit roll, since her "stunt" removal in the episodes "[[The Son Also Rises]]" and the "[[Crossroads]]" two-parter. (Although she was credited in the end-credits for "[[Crossroads, Part II]]".)
* The population of the Fleet, which hasn't been revealed since "[[The Son Also Rises]]" (but is assumed to be around 41,398) is 39,698. 600 of those were people who died aboard the ''Pyxis'', the other 1,100 likely died on other ships during the attack.
* The gun Saul Tigh uses in his "nightmare" against [[William Adama]] is the same weapon that [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] shot Adama with in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
* While Anders played for a professional Caprican [[pyramid]] team, he was (allegedly) born on [[Picon (RDM)|Picon]] and enrolled in [[Noyce Elementary School]].
* The [[FTL]] jump at the end of the episode is an abbreviated version of the [[w:Vertigo zoom|Vertigo zoom]] effect, which has not been seen since the [[Miniseries]].
* The stills from Starbuck's gun camera footage incorrectly show ''Galactica'' as belonging to Battlestar Group 62. Given that ''Pegasus'' was in BSG 62, the production staff likely modified and re-used a graphic template from an earlier episode, but the incorrect number slipped past them.
* When Starbuck's Viper appears at the end of "[[Crossroads, Part II]]", the pilot-callsign stencils below the cockpit are missing, but they are shown at the beginning of this episode and all subsequent shots.
* Moreover, in promotional photos for this episode, the tail number of Thrace's Viper is [[Viper 4267|4267 NC]], the same Viper that [[Chuckles]] used and died in during the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] in "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]". This number was digitally removed in the aired version to match the Viper that was destroyed in "Maelstrom": [[Viper 8757]].
*The title was first reported as "He That Believ<u>a</u>th In Me". Writer [[User:Ngarenn|Bradley Thompson]] [[BW:OC#Season 4 First Episode Title|confirmed]] that this was an unintentional misspelling.
* The title is a reference to John 11:25-26, which says:
*: Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: '''he that believeth in me''', though he were dead, yet shall he live. And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (King James Bible)
* In Baltar's conversation with [[Tracey Anne]], he reveals the name of one more of the [[Lords of Kobol (RDM)|Gods]], [[Poseidon]], a God in the Greek pantheon.
* Tigh is unaware that the Cylon detector correctly identified Boomer as a Cylon, and that Baltar decided to release only negative test results. ([[Flesh and Bone]])
* The comet mentioned might be [[w:Halley's Comet|Halley's Comet]], the most frequent comet visible to the naked eye from Earth. In several Earth cultures, comets have been regarded as bad omens.

== Analysis ==

=== Gaius Baltar and his cult ===

* Baltar's cult is a cult-of-personality, where Gaius Baltar is seen by some humans as a messianic, mortal savior, in a parallel to the Cylon [[Hybrid]]'s designation of Baltar as "the chosen one". Further, no reason for this apparently sudden rise of the "Baltar cult" has yet been provided.
* While Baltar's appearance during Season 3 increasingly resembled that the classic image of Jesus Christ as bearded and long-haired, his messianic cult has him shave and cut his hair to shed this image. However, Baltar's new willingness to sacrifice himself for others has made him more of a Christ figure in action, even as he becomes less of one in appearance.
* Baltar's cult seems to have amassed a following comprising mostly of women who are Caucasian, well-fit, reasonably well-proportioned, and within the ages of 20 to 40. Further, the cult seems to be disturbingly similar to the "Manson Family" in this regard, although Baltar is more-or-less placed in the position as cult's spiritual leader.
* The cult is also hedonistic, verging on counter-cultural (the class-warfare against the Fleet's so-called "aristocracy"), cooperative, and religious. Apparently, the room is shared by all, and sexual intercourse with one another is implied as being common, as the cultists do not appear surprised that Baltar and [[Tracey Anne]] have engaged in intercourse.

===Baltar's Virtual Six===

* Baltar's [[Virtual Six]] seems to have reached an understanding about his sexual liaisons with other women. Where she once seemed jealous and hurt (as in "[[Colonial Day]]", despite professing that he could have sex with whoever he wanted because his heart belonged to her), she now seems much more at ease and even encouraging of his sexual liaison with Tracey Anne.
* Her wardrobe, however, has also undergone a change: where she formerly appeared almost exclusively in either a revealing red dress or in a swimsuit (during Baltar's visions of the two of them at his now-destroyed home on Caprica), in this episode she appears exclusively in a professional-looking suit of the same bright-red color as her old dress. Could this signify a change in how she perceives her relationship with Baltar? Although she has obviously harbored romantic feelings for him in the past, it is possible that she now perceives her role in a more professional and detached manner, and is choosing to put aside her own feelings in favor of guiding him down the path that God has laid out for him.

=== Ionian Nebula ===

* The Fleet-wide power-loss, and subsequent power recovery, remains unexplained.
* It is heavily implied that the Cylons now know that the Final Five are in the Fleet, given their rapid withdrawal during the battle.
* Further, it remains unexplained how the Cylons were able to track the Fleet to the nebula. They were either able to determine the Fleet's projected course, despite the efforts to use the ''Daru Mozu'' as a decoy, or found another way to track the Fleet.
* The battle within the nebula demonstrates that ''Galactica'' remains combat ready and able to engage Cylon basestars with all her weapons despite the damage suffered during the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. Although a visual effects shot of the warship following the battle shows one dorsal primary [[Battery|gun battery]] has been lost, it is unclear if this occurred in this battle or earlier during the Battle of New Caprica, where ''Galactica'' took several hits to that area. The portside water tank is also destroyed; there is a large hole in the hull and the adjacent "rips" are bend or destroyed.
*Despite Racetrack's claim in "[[Torn]]" that ''Galactica'' has more trained pilots than ships as result of the combination of the crews of both battlestars, this episode shows Admiral Adama pressing nuggets into action in order to have as many Vipers flying as possible. This suggests either Racetrack was exaggerating or speaking only about Raptor pilots; or that ''Galactica's'' Viper compliment is now very large after also taking in ''Pegasus'''s Vipers.
* The battle marks the first overt Cylon attack on the civilian fleet since before the settling of New Caprica, where the Cylons indicated they no longer wished to wipe out the Colonials.

=== Kara Thrace ===

* As to be expected, Kara Thrace's return is clouded in suspicion. Given the effects of time dilation she had experienced (six hours from her perspective, more than two months from the Fleet's), she may have experienced a form [[w:gravitational time dilation|gravitational time dilation]], given her proximity to the mandala phenomenon in "[[Maelstrom]]" and the hard deck.
* The "missing time" phenomenon and the lack of navigation data in the Viper's computer are similar to the [[w:Abduction phenomenon|abduction experiences]] that have been reported. Coincidentally, these experiences allege paralysis and "blinding light." Kara Thrace experienced the blinding light phenomenon in "Maelstrom" before her death, and her lack of control in pulling up her Viper from the hard deck does suggest a form of paralysis, or even distraction, whereby her mind was occupied and thus ignored the warnings from Lee Adama, et al.
* Her apparently strange trip through time and space may suggest a possible wormhole or spacial anomaly. If so, the inability of Adama, Roslin, and others to seriously consider this possibility again highlights the [[naturalistic science fiction]] aspect of the series (though the absence of Dr. Baltar's scientific expertise may also be a factor). Wormholes would a phenomenon known to the Colonials, as Adama mentions them in "[[Sacrifice]]".
* Thrace has feelings of [[w:theophany|theophany]] before her death in "Maelstrom". Further, these feelings have somehow influenced her and manifested extra-sensory abilities that leads her to a [[w:Jeanne d'Arc|Jeanne d'Arc]]-ian crusade, believing that she can lead the Fleet to Earth.
* Thrace's headaches are likely similar in nature to [[Laura Roslin]]'s headache in "[[Crossroads, Part II]]" after arriving at the [[Ionian Nebula]]. After a jump is executed, Thrace experiences these headaches as well, however the headaches lead her to believe that they are further and further down the wrong path and away from Earth.

=== Thrace's claims ===

[[Image:Kara Thrace Reconnaissance Photos.png|250px|thumb|right|Gun camera footage of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]]]

* When speaking of her claim about [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], Thrace mentions the moon being "yellow" matching the description of Pythia. Earth's moon, when viewed from space, is a charcoal gray. Her photo, taken from above the atmosphere, shows a slightly yellowish moon over a grayish planet with white flecks. However, the photographs are very desaturated - to the point of being black and white - and very likely don't represent the true colors. Moreover, the moon shown in the photo has a shadow pattern more indicative of a partial lunar eclipse than the ordinary terminator. Alternatively, she may have intended to say "yellow star and moon" (referring only to the star as yellow) instead of "yellow moon and star."
* Assuming that Thrace has been in the system [[w:Sol|Sol]], the "giant gas planet with rings" could be any of the four [[w:Gas giant|Jovian]] planets. [[w:Saturn|Saturn]] is noted for its large ring system, whereas [[w:Jupiter|Jupiter]] (noted as being the largest gas giant in Sol), [[w:Uranus|Uranus]] and [[w:Neptune|Neptune]] each have rings that are not as notable as those of the aforementioned Saturn. There is, however, no "flashing triple star" presently obvious from Earth. (Alpha Centauri does not flash and would only be seen as triple when close to Proxima Centauri.)
* Interestingly, Jupiter is home of a massive storm known as the "[[w:Great Red Spot|Great Red Spot]]", which is another allusion to the "[[Eye of Jupiter]]". Further, this Great Red Spot, which is a massive hurricane-like storm of immense width, is a storm similar to the one in "Maelstrom" and may possibly be related to how she returns to the Fleet.

=== The Final Five ===

* Given their animal-like nature, the biological Cylon Raiders are able to identify members of the Final Five, as [[Samuel Anders]] experiences during the Battle of the Ionian Nebula.
* Sharon Agathon and Caprica Six are incapable of identifying the Final Five models, even after they've been "activated", to use the term loosely.
* The episode does not delve too deeply into [[Tory Foster]] or [[Galen Tyrol]]'s reactions to their newfound natures, however this will doubtless be the case in future episodes. The episode centers around [[Saul Tigh]], who has become the ''de facto'' leader of the "Final Four", and [[Samuel Anders]].
* Saul Tigh begins to have nightmares in his waking state. He envisions pulling out a gun and killing Adama, harkening back to [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]]'s assassination attempt in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". In his nightmare, he shoots Adama in the right eye, the same eye Tigh lost during his torture on [[New Caprica]].

==== Samuel Anders ====

[[Image:Ander's red eye.jpg|thumb|Anders's eye responding to a Raider's IFF.]]

* During the battle, Anders maneuvers behind a Cylon Raider on Seelix's six, but fails to fire his guns. The Cylon Raider seems to sense something different about the chasing Viper and turns around to face it. The Raider's forward lid lowers to reveal its scanning red eye, reminiscent of when Raiders accessed the backdoor in Baltar's [[Command Navigation Program]] in the [[Miniseries]]. Its eye locks straight ahead at Anders, and after a moment Ander's right iris faintly flashes red in response to the Raider's [[IFF]] transponder. The Raider then raises its lid and breaks off, broadcasting its discovery to the rest of the attacking Cylon fleet, which disengages and retreats.
* There is no indication that Anders's inability to fire on the Cylon Raider is because of any technical problem with the Viper. His safeties remain engaged during the battle, which is figured to be one of two things in the episode: what [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]] and Tigh chalk up as a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake", or what Anders suspects is subconscious Cylon programming.

=== Comparisons to the Original Series ===

* The episode shares many of the same concepts in common from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], particularly the mythology laid down in the Original Series's two-parter "[[War of the Gods]]". In that episode, it is revealed that there are greater forces at work in the universe: Count [[Iblis]], who is insinuated to have started the [[Thousand Yahren War]] that resulted in the [[Battle of Cimtar|Colonies' destruction]], and the "forces of good", the [[Beings of Light]] who [[Adama (TOS)|Adama]] describes as being "guardians of the universe".
** Essentially, in "[[War of the Gods, Part II]]", [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] is killed by a bolt that Iblis meant for [[Sheba]]. After the encounter, Iblis is captured by the Beings of Light, as are Starbuck and Sheba, who leave the [[red planet]] with Apollo's cadaver in their [[Colonial Shuttle (TOS)|shuttle]]. Much like [[Kara Thrace]], Apollo comes back from the dead. While Thrace's resurrection has yet been explained—this being one of the mysteries that drives the current season—Apollo is restored by the Beings of Light.
** Further, like Thrace, the three Warriors of the Original Series experience lost time, memory loss, and feelings of theophany. Additionally, they are given the coordinates to [[Earth (TOS)|Earth]], which are buried in their subconscious only to be awakened by a suggestion Adama makes to the three Warriors. On the other hand, Kara Thrace is given (allegedly) a feeling of extra-sensory perception, being able to "feel" her way to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]].
* It should also be noted that the Beings of Light in the Original Series are capable of moving ships to different locations. In "[[Experiment in Terra]]", this is done to Apollo's ship as they move him well ahead of a patrol from ''[[Galactica (TOS)|Galactica]]''. Blackouts and memory loss (such as those apparently exhibited by Thrace) also demonstrated in the Original Series's abduction and subsequent encounters with the Beings of Light.
* A potential abduction of Starbuck could relate to the Ship of Lights from the Original Series. These advanced humans evolved to state where they appear to be gods to the Colonials. Likewise, Count Iblis is their satanic counterpart who tries to seduce the Colonial fleet into submission, however, he can't triumph over these benevolent beings of "light," much the same way Lucifer cannot triumph over God in Christian traditions. To extrapolate the analogy further, the Final Five may be members of a benevolent, evolved line of humans who are watching over the Fleet, whereas the Significant Seven represent Count Iblis and the Devil.

== Questions ==

* Did [[Samuel Anders]] make a "dumb [[nugget]] mistake" as Tigh contends, or was it some form of programing that asserted itself?
* Does [[Charlie Connor]] survive the massive beating he experiences at the hands of [[Paulla Schaffer]]?
* Is Kara Thrace the final Cylon?
* Where did Thrace get her pristine Viper?
* Are Thrace's claims about being to Earth true?
* Why is the Viper's camera footage viable, yet nothing is found in the navigational records?
* Why have the Significant Seven Cylons been programmed to not think of the Final Five?
* Can the Significant Seven identify the Final Five once they are able to bypass this imperative?
* Could the gun camera footage from Anders's Viper be used to expose him?
* Was Tigh or Tyrol ever tested by Baltar's Cylon detector before the apparent failure of Boomer's test made the Colonials decide it was useless?
* Would the test identify a Final Five Cylon? Would there be a difference before and after "activation"?
* How did the Cylon fleet locate the Colonial fleet in the Ionian Nebula?

== Official Statements ==

* ''[[Aaron Douglas]] (via [[w:Antrhax|Antrhax]]'s [[w:Scott Ian|Scott Ian]]) explains an ad-lib that was dropped from one of Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s scenes:''

: I had the best adlib ever in the scene where Chief walks onto the hangar deck yelling for the [[Nugget]]s. It didn't make it into the show. What did make it was something like “lets go nuggets! your momma's aren't going to save ya today” it is all adlib'd but one take I said, & this is pure gold, “drop your dicks and grab your sticks!” 5 seconds later [[Harvey Frand|Harvey [Frand]]] (producer) says from video village, “ you can't say dicks on TV”. We had to do it again. Ha. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://blogs.scifi.com/battlestar/scottian/2008/04/drop-your-dicks-and-grab-your.html|title=SCIFI.com - Scott Ian's Blog: Drop your dicks and grab your sticks!!|date=7 April 2008|accessdate=7 April 2008|last=Ian|first=Scott|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''[[Saul Tigh]] experiences a disturbing daydream:''
: '''[[William Adama]]:''' Saul. Saul! What the hell is wrong with you?
: '''Saul Tigh:''' Nothing, Bill. (Tigh pulls out a gun and aims it at Adama.) I've never felt better in my entire life. (Tigh shoots Adama through his right eye.)

* ''[[Galen Tyrol]] barks out orders:''
: '''Galen Tyrol:''' Get that [[Showboat]] bird in the tube. Where the [[frak]] are these [[nugget]]s? '''C'mon! Momma's not gonna save ya today! Let's go!''' You want to fly or not?

* ''[[Virtual Six]] talks to [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]:''
: '''Virtual Six:''' Yesterday you were facing execution. Today, you're free. Why the long face?
: '''Baltar:''' Oh, gee, I don't know. From President of the Colonies to this... King of fools. Probably best to be hated by everyone than loved by this lot, doomed to live out the rest of my life in this looney bin. I don't know, that might have something to do with my rather savage mood swings.
: '''Virtual Six:''' Relax Gaius. Do you think I've brought you this far to let it end here?
: '''Baltar:''' I need encouragement. A ray of hope about the future. An inkling.
: '''Virtual Six:''' You've got me. I'm here for you.

* ''Lee Adama asks his father an uncomfortable set of questions:''
: '''Lee Adama:''' Dad, what if [[Zak Adama|Zak]] had come back to us in that Viper? If my brother had climbed out of that cockpit, would it matter if he were a Cylon? If he always had been? When all said and done, would that really change how we feel about him?

* ''Baltar's prayer for [[Derrick]]:''
: '''Gaius Baltar:''' Please God, I'm asking you this one last time, don't let this child die. Has he sinned against you? He can't have sinned against you. He's not even had a life yet. How can you take him and let me live... after all I've done? Really, if you want someone to suffer, take me. We both know I deserve it. I'm selfish and weak. I have failed so many people. I have killed. I'm not asking for your forgiveness, I'm just asking that you spare the life of this innocent child. Don't take him. Take me. Take me, take me, please.

== Guest Stars ==

* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon| Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ensign [[Samuel Anders]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Colin Corrigan]] as [[Nowart]]
* [[Lukas Pummell]] as [[Derrick]]
* [[Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor]]
* [[Keegan Connor Tracy]] as [[Jeanne]]
* [[Leah Cairns]] as Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edomondson]]
* [[Jennifer Halley]] as Ensign [[Diana Seelix|Diana "Hardball" Seelix]]
* [[Shaun Omaid]] as [[Shaunt]]
* [[Leela Savasta]] as [[Tracey Anne]]
* [[Lara Gilchrist]] as [[Paulla Schaffer]]
* [[Heather Doerksen]] as Marine #2

== External Link ==

*Composer [[Bear McCreary]] discusses the episode's score: http://www.bearmccreary.com/blog/?p=241#more-241

== References ==
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Rapture

2008-04-13T21:44:11Z

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== Overview ==

: ''With an impending supernova, the Colonials and Cylons see their time running out as they endeavor to unlock the secrets of the [[Eye of Jupiter]]. Meanwhile, [[Number Three]] executes her plan to know the faces of the [[Final Five]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] tries to get [[Hera Agathon|her daughter]] back.''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*Others in ''[[Galactica|Galactica's]]'' [[CIC]], particularly Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]], become increasingly agitated and shocked as Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] continues issuing orders to arm and launch several nuclear missiles at the [[Temple of Five]]. He instructs Colonel Tigh to enter his launch codes as Adama does the same on his command console.
*On the [[algae planet]], [[Lee Adama]]'s resistance movement is preparing. However, the Major and [[Samuel Anders]] are still fighting over saving [[Kara Thrace]] after her [[Raptor]] crashed from a Cylon missile attack. When Anders angrily proposes that he will shoot Major Adama if Thrace is dead, Adama snaps, "If she's dead, I'll let you," no longer attempting to hide his feelings about the downed pilot. Their impasse ends when Adama calls his wife, Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]], and orders her and Sergeant [[Fisher]] to attempt to rescue of Starbuck.
*In the [[The Eye of Jupiter|previous episode]], the Colonials warned that they would destroy the continent where the ancient [[temple]] resided if the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] attempted any landing there. Six [[Heavy Raider]]s are now heading to the planet, and Adama is intent on showing the Cylons that he is not bluffing.
*The Cylon [[basestar command]] detects Adama's continued missile preparations and become visibly worried that Adama will indeed destroy the Temple. Each of the available models immediately agree to a recall, except for the [[Number Three]] model, who defies the command group's consensus, and refuses to recall the last Heavy Raider.
*''Galactica'' notices the recall of all but one of the Heavy Raiders, which gives Admiral Adama a moment to reconsider. After several tense moments, Adama rescinds the launch order and orders his battlestar to stand down.
*The Cylons are relieved as well, but after the Three in the command room leaves in satisfaction, the others realize that the Cylon, a race predicated on consensus and not defiance or distinctive personality clashes, have a serious problem. A [[Cavil]] voices that the Threes are out of control, and that a decision regarding their actions must be made, sooner rather than later.
*In their quarters, [[Helo]] is angry, saddened and unable to talk his wife, [[Sharon Agathon]] into letting him taker a Raptor or another transport to rescue their daughter, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], from the Cylons. In the end, both embracing, Helo shoots his wife to force her consciousness to [[Resurrection (RDM)|download and resurrect]] on the Cylon [[Resurrection Ship]] so that she can attempt the rescue alone.

===Act 1===
*[[Galen Tyrol]] and his team continue deciphering the glyphs inside the Temple of Five for discerning the location of the [[Eye of Jupiter]], believed to be an important artifact that gives further data on the road to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]. Their investigation does not go well, although Chief Tyrol believes he is close to translating the writing.
*Admiral Adama and President Roslin meet with Helo and question his wisdom in the Agathons' rescue attempt of their daughter. Adama is concerned that the Cylons may gain critical tactical data from their defected former colleague, whether she volunteers it or not. When Roslin criticizes Helo, he angrily reminds her that if she [[Downloaded|hadn't stolen their daughter]], none of them would be in this situation.
*Dualla and Sergeant Fischer make their way to Starbuck's location, but are soon attacked by a Cylon sniper. Fisher is killed, and Dualla scrambles, weaponless, along an alternate path to Starbuck's location.
*Starbuck has survived her crash relatively unhurt except for severe burns on her hands. The pain is so severe that Thrace hasn't sufficient dexterity to inject herself with a [[morpha]] shot for the pain. When she hears a noise outside, however, Starbuck suppresses the pain long enough to raise her sidearm at her Raptor's open door.
*Dualla appears at the entrance, and Thrace admonishes her for not making her presence known. After administering a morpha shot, Dualla proceeds to assess the Raptor's damage. She tells Thrace that she was ordered to "bring Starbuck to Apollo," a choice of words meant less to describe the rescue order and more to describe her pain over the "secret" affair between Adama and Thrace.
*Sharon Agathon downloads successfully. Through fortune or design, it is [[Caprica-Six]] who greets her at the [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. Six tells Agathon that her child is ill and her condition is worsening, to the confusion of the Cylons.
*On the planet, Major Adama's team have set a bomb kill zone in a ravine which all attacking Cylon forces must walk through.

===Act 2===
*When the [[Cylon Centurion|Centurions]] spot the trap, [[Jean Barolay]] is forced to detonate it before the Cylons completely enter the blast radius.
*The explosion removes the lower torso of one Cylon, but it, along with the two undamaged units, return fire. The Colonials destroy the legless Cylon, but lose one of their own in the firefight. Having lost their only chance to hold back a Cylon advance, they begin a retreat to the highlands of the planet to await rescue.
*Major Adama calls Chief Tyrol and orders the immediate evacuation and destruction of the Temple of Five lest it fall into Cylon control. A reluctant Tyrol orders his team out and soon follows, with a detonation cord reel to the [[G-4]] packs in his hands.
*Dualla continues to repair the damaged [[Computers in the Re-imagined Series#Colonial Avionics|avionics]] from cannibalizing [[datacord]] from the ship's communications system. When Thrace's pain increases, Dualla (with an apparently less-than-cordial "bedside manner") stabs Thrace's leg with another morpha injection. As she drifts into a sedated delirium, Thrace confesses her confusion about the romantic entanglements she is in. Dualla slaps the pilot both in annoyance and in an attempt to keep Thrace focused on a major problem: the former petty officer on ''Galactica'' is not flight-trained and cannot fly the Raptor, while Thrace's injuries make it impossible for her to fly.
*[[Gaius Baltar]], the "D'Anna" Three, and a [[Cavil]] prepare to enter the Temple. Baltar's virtual Six appears to remind him, despite Three's feelings, that Baltar himself and not Three is the "chosen one" who is meant to activate or access the Temple's secrets.
*Reunited with the other Colonials at a safe distance from the Temple, Tyrol is reluctant to detonate the Temple's explosives. When Major Adama wrestles the detonator away from Tyrol and activates it, nothing happens. Unknown to them, Cavil, Three, and Baltar have removed the detonator caps from the G-4 immediately after they entered the Temple.
*Chief Tyrol and the team see the atmosphere ripple and pulsate as the star begins its nova. The star's corona (or its effect on the atmosphere above the Temple) takes shape to form a likeness of the circular multicolored starburst-like [[w:mandala|mandala]] that decorated the Temple. Tyrol quickly realizes that the star itself ''is'' the Eye of Jupiter. The Colonial team goes to investigate.
*The algae planet's home star has made a helium burst of its outer atmosphere. The star is going nova. Everyone, Cylon and Colonial alike, have less than an hour to escape the system.
*Sharon Agathon and Caprica-Six arrive at Hera's room, where Agathon's ''Galactica'' predecessor, [[Sharon Valerii]], is tending the child. Valerii is visibly angered at Agathon's presence. When Agathon picks up her crying daughter, the child's cries cease momentarily. Caprica-Six curiously realizes that, while both Agathon and Valerii are biologically identical, Hera is able to recognize her mother.
*Agathon's human first-aid training recognizes that Hera's stomach is too firm, suggesting a possible intestinal blockage. When Valerii comments that the Cylon doctors detected no such problem, Agathon reminds her that the Cylons have no pediatric care experience, having medical experience only with the adult humanoids of their kind.
*Agathon tries remind Valerii of her love for Chief Tyrol and Admiral Adama, but the former "Boomer" denies her past and reject any possibility that humans and Cylons could co-exist, remembering only too well the events on [[New Caprica]].
*Agathon pulls Caprica-Six from Hera's bedside and tells her that, for Hera to survive, she must see a human doctor -- which means returning to ''Galactica''. When Caprica-Six seems reluctant to go through with this, Agathon tells her that the child is so important to the Cylon God that their God would never forgive her for letting child die. Meanwhile, Valerii grows increasingly unstable and physically threatens to break Hera's neck. Agathon pleads for Hera's life as Caprica-Six manages to knock out Valerii. To prevent her from reviving, Six breaks Valerii's neck.
*Caprica-Six finally agrees that Hera (and others that come after her) are too crucial to the future of the Cylons (and, by implication, the Colonials) for her to let the child remain in the hands of the Cylons. She helps Agathon escape to ''Galactica'' by way of the Cylons' captured Raptor.

===Act 3===
*Inside the Temple of Five, Baltar quietly notes a Colonial sidearm left behind while Cavil and Three examine the structure. When the virtual Six points out the only mandala on a raised section of the floor, Baltar notes it, and Three gravitates to it as well.
*The light created by the supernova is channeled through the central spire's crystalline mechanisms and activates a beam of light on the floor's sunburst.
*Cavil attempts to stop the Three from using the beam, and tells her he knows that she's not doing this to find Earth, but to seek the forbidden identities of the [[Final Five]]. He points a gun to shoot Three, but Baltar shoots and kills the Cavil from behind.
*Three walks into the light and immediately sees the vision of the five she's seen before. Unlike before, however, she is able to discern the specific faces. Three stands in front of one face (not visible to viewers) and immediately recognizes it, apologizing to the being for past transgressions saying, "You . . . Forgive me I . . . I had no idea," before the vision abruptly stops.
*Dualla manages to fly the Raptor into space, with Starbuck's guidance.
*Admiral Adama orders an immediate Raptor rescue of everyone on the planet after the Cylons [[Basestar (RDM)|baseships]] retreat to escape the pending nova shockwave.
*Three's eyes turn white as she apparently suffers mortal damage from the use of the Temple's vision mechanism. Baltar catches her as she falls.
*She says to Baltar, "You were right." (It is possible she still thinks she is speaking to one of the Final Five.) Baltar tries to get Three to tell her what she has seen; specifically, Baltar wants to know if she saw his face among the [[Final five|image of five beings]]. However, Three dies before he gets an answer.
*Baltar drops Three's body and stands in the mandala, attempting to see the vision himself. However, the Temple's illumination from the star has ceased, and so has the vision mechanism. As Baltar prays to God to help him, he finds the barrel of a Colonial sidearm resting on his head, and Chief Tyrol is holding it. The Chief sarcastically greets the deposed president and pistol-whips him unconscious.

===Act 4===
*Raptors are seen flying away from the planet and to ''Galactica''. The battlestar is under full sublight power, escaping from orbit while buying time for the Raptors to land and for the battlestar to prep for an [[FTL]] jump. The nova shockwave is approaching rapidly.
*''Galactica'' barely escapes the remains of the algae planet as the star<nowiki>'</nowiki>s shockwave tears through its system. She momentarily reels out of control due to the leading edges of the shockwave reaching her before her escape.
*Chief Tyrol and his group unload a body bag from his Raptor onto a gurney. He stops the gurney and discreetly shows Colonel Tigh that Baltar is inside, alive but unconscious. Tigh orders Tyrol to have Baltar taken to the [[brig]].
*Samuel Anders and Kara Thrace reunite. Lee Adama and Dualla, each on opposite sides of Thrace and Anders, see this as well. Adama moves to embrace his wife. Thrace and Adama's eyes meet over the shoulders of their spouses.
*In a briefing, Tyrol, Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], Roslin, Admiral Adama and Helo analyze the new supernova and compare it to the Temple's mandala, realizing that the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] must have wanted anyone who followed after them to look for this mandala, or specifically, another supernova. Gaeta finds the remains of a similar supernova 13,000 light years away, in a cloud of gas know as the [[Ionian nebula]].
*Helo is fascinated by a picture of the temple's mandala. He makes his way to Kara Thrace's quarters and asks if she had any photos of her old apartment on [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]].
*He finds a painting that Thrace had made on one of her apartment's walls. It is very similar to the temple's mandala, which was created 4,000 years before.
*When Thrace sees this, her mood darkens. She tells Helo that she had doodled this symbol often as child because she liked the patterns, having no prior source for the symbol. She relates something that a [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] Cylon told her [[Flesh and Bone|over a year before]]: Thrace had a [[Maelstrom|destiny]], and, according to Leoben, it was already pre-written.
*On the Resurrection Ship, D'Anna-Three downloads successfully to find a Cavil sitting next to her tank. Cavil notes curiously that at least Three will not have to go through the process of resurrection again, and explains why.
*The other Cylons believe that Three's delusions of messianic intentions have revealed her as an inherently flawed design. Three counters that it is not wrong to seek ones own purpose, that the search for who and why the Cylons were built is an important task.
*The decision has been made to [[boxing|box]] the entire model. Three tells Cavil that he and the others will see the faces of the Final Five one day, but with a press of a button by Cavil, Three and all of her kind are deactivated. The scene expands to show other Cavils performing the same task on hundreds of other resurrection tanks.

== Notes ==
* Prior to the airing of this episode, [[James Callis]] revealed that [[Gaius Baltar]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' in this episode.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1659 |title=Exclusive Interview: JAMES CALLIS SELLS iF MAGAZINE A BILL OF GOODS ON BATTLESTAR GALATICA SEASON 3 -PART 1 |date=2006-09-09 |accessdate=2006-09-09 |last=Elliot |first=Sean |format= |language=English }}</ref>
* According to Ronald Moore's [[Podcast:Rapture|podcast]], the [[:Image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|image in Kara's apartment]] was a symbol that the actress had decided to paint before the actual shooting occurred.<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=Karapainting|timestamp=39:16|totalrunning=45:00}}</ref>
* Moreover, the ground battle was originally shot in more structured manner. [[Bradley Thompson]] spent time on location to work out the tactics used by both sides to create a realistic engagement. However, that didn't translate on screen. Partly because of the many closeups, most of the terrain looks the same, making it impossible to get an impression of the location of each fire team. As a result the battle was heavily cut and changed in the editing room, to at least make it the most exciting.
* The [[Foliole|cigar box]] from which Helo takes the photo of Starbuck's apartment is the same one she picked up there in "[[Valley of Darkness]]".
* The Eye of Jupiter and Starbuck's artwork bear a strong resemblance to the [[w:Ring Nebula|Ring Nebula]]. However, the order of colors from center to edge is different: blue, white and red for true color images of the actual nebula; blue, red and yellow for the Eye. The actual nebula is also a bit more oval in appearance while the Eye is nearly circular.
* The leitmotif "[[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)# Six theme|Sense of Six]]" which normally is played for appearances of [[Virtual beings|Baltar's inner Six]] is played for D'Anna Bier's death scene in Baltar's arms. It is not played, however, for Inner-Six's appearance within the temple.
* Dualla was initially meant to drag Starbuck over ground to safety, but this has to be scrapped to due budget constraints. Their scenes in the Raptor were not filmed on location, but on a soundstage ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==
* The [[Final five|five figures in white]] bear a striking resemblance to the occupants of the [[Ship of Lights]] from the [[Original Series]].
* If the device which triggered Three's vision was a viewing mechanism which was programmed when the temple was built, her recognition of one of the figures in white would mean that there is some substantial connection between whomever the Temple of Five was dedicated to and the Cylons.
* If the five priests are actually the Final Five (this has not been determined to be more than assumptions), then the Cylons are using ancient genetic templates as indicated by their susceptibility to a virus that the rest of the human race was immune to.
* The [[basestar command]] apparently does not require consensus of all models, or need not have them to have a representative at the command center. [[Simon]] and [[Number Five]] are not seen during this episode. Of course, since there are only seven models at this time, four models casting the same vote is decisive. This is exactly what happens when Six, Eight, Leoben and Cavil vote in favor of recalling the Raiders.
* Despite no longer being XO, Helo is still included in high-level briefings. This may reflect another facet to his current duties aside from mere Raptor jockeying (this may also be supported by the fact that he is more often seen in uniform rather than flight suit or fatigues currently).
* The tension between Athena and Boomer reaches a climax when Athena attempts to rescue her daughter. It has become clear that Boomer, like Athena, was presented with two choices, but unlike Athena, did not choose the path that led to forgiveness. Both Eights have suffered persecution from the Colonials. Athena, however, partly due to her love for Helo and Adama, chose to forgive, while Boomer allowed the failure of New Caprica to push her over to the belief that humans and Cylons should go their separate ways. However, Boomer does not seem to fully belong into Cylon society either, maybe being distrusted because of her association with humans.
* Boomer comments that Cavil believes that the Cylons aren't supposed to have children. This is unsurprising, given that model's lack of religious faith and belief that the Cylons shouldn't be emulating humans.
* Caprica-Six continues her defiance against Cylon society by choosing to believe in a possible new future between Cylons and humans. This particular Cylon, ever since her deception that led to fall of humanity, has consistently shown increasingly human traits. Like her decision to save Anders by killing a [[Number Three|Three]] to pave the way for a possible new future between Cylons and humans, her decision to kill Boomer to save Hera echoes those same beliefs.
* The rescue of the people on the [[algae planet]] occurs in an extremely short amount of screen time. This is reminiscent of the short amount of screen time that was given to ''Galactica'' retrieving her fighters before jumping away from the [[Battle of New Caprica]]. As noted in prior podcasts, sometimes there just isn't enough time available in each episode to show everything in detail, which makes it necessary to compress events.
* The survivor count decreased by one at the start of this episode counting the loss of one of the civilian combatants during a gunfight on the planet's surface.
* [[Hera Agathon|Hera]], according to Caprica-Six, is able to distinguish her mother from the other [[Number Eight|Eights]]. Whether this indicates that Hera inherited a Cylon ability is yet to be seen. At the very least, on an emotional level, Athena and Hera have a mother-daughter bond that does not exist with [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]].
* According to the podcast, Boomer's jealousy and rage developed over time, especially when she became Hera's primary caretaker. When it became apparent that Hera was not responding well to Boomer, she slowly developed a resentment towards Athena, because according to the Cylons, Hera existed because of God's true love. This implicated that the reason that Boomer and [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] were not able to conceive was because they didn't have true love between them. This, and Hera's response once Athena arrives, eventually led to the rage Boomer showed.
* After the initial stand-off ends when Adama decides to not nuke the planet, the defiant Three model states that no one would do such a thing over just one ship. However, ironically, that is exactly what Adama himself fears in "[[Hero]]" when he believes that the one recon fighter that crossed over into Cylon territory was what eventually led to the genocide of humanity.
* Ironically, the boxing of the Threes may actually make consensus harder to come by in the future. Now that the number of known Cylon models is an even six, a true deadlock is possible.
* The removal of the Threes also exaggerates the uneven gender ratio of the known models, from 4 male:3 female to 4 male:2 female.
* Now that Athena has resurrected into a new body, her susceptibility to the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|Cylon virus]] is in question. Athena was immune because her child gave her body human antibodies to the disease ([[A Measure of Salvation]]). In a new body that has never given birth, a possible reintroduction of the virus could be lethal to Athena. Conversely, Athena's immunity could have become a programming element that downloaded along with the rest of her consciousness, just as the lethal virus could follow the consciousness of an infected humanoid Cylon to a [[Resurrection Ship]], potentially inoculating all Cylons against the virus.
* Three's conversation with Cavil at the end of the episode reveals that the [[humanoid Cylon]]s do not know who programmed them or why.

== Questions ==
* Who does Three recognize as being one of the [[Final Five]]? ([[Saul Tigh|Possible answer 1]], [[Samuel Anders|Possible Answer 2]])
* Why are the identities of the Final Five kept a secret? Why would the other seven Cylon models not know the identities of the Final Five, and why would the [[Cavil]] model want to prevent the others from learning about them? Do some or all of the Cylons not '''want''' to know and why would this be so? ([[He That Believeth In Me|Answer 1]], [[Six of One|Answer 2]])
* Does a mechanism exist to revive boxed Cylons, given that their memories and thoughts still exist in cold storage?
* What is the connection between Starbuck and the [[Eye of Jupiter]]?
* What is Starbuck's destiny? ([[Maelstrom|Answer 1]], [[Crossroads, Part II|Answer 2]])
* What will President Roslin and Admiral Adama do with Baltar now they he is back in their custody? ([[Taking a Break From All Your Worries|Answer]])
* Will Roslin and Adama's relationship sour now that Adama knows of Roslin's involvement with hiding Hera? ([[A Day in the Life|Answer]])
* What will happen to [[Caprica-Six]] now that she is on ''Galactica''? ([[The Son Also Rises|Answer]])
* Do the Cylons realize the significance between the mandala and the nova?
* With the [[Temple of Five|temple]] destroyed, what is the significance of Baltar being the "chosen one" rather than Number Three?
* What does Three mean when she tells Baltar that he was right? Is she saying that he is a Cylon or is she referring to something else that he said to her earlier? Or does she still think she is speaking to one of the Final Five?
* Why was the temple dedicated to the five priests who served a separate unnamed god?
* Are the five priests the Final Five?
* Is the empty drape for a god, the chosen one or somebody else?

== Official Statements ==

* ''Information from the [[Podcast:Rapture|podcast]]:''
** "We had talked a lot about what this moment was, in terms of how did the mes— how did they— how does she see the final five and what is the message that is left to ''Galactica'' and the Colonials about where Earth is. At first we went out of our way to avoid doing the well of lost souls, which is— y'know you're standing in the well of souls and— [[w:Indiana Jones|Indiana Jones]] in the first ''[[w:Raiders of the Lost Ark|Raiders of the Lost Ark]]'' movie, and the sun comes in a certain position and the light shines in. And we tried various versions of all kinds of tech things happened with the supernova that sent messengers or sent arrows and— not literal arrows, but metaphorical light beams in a certain direction— and ultimately, in the cut, we said "No, it's the well of souls." The light comes in, and the light shines down and it takes you to a certain spot. 'Cause it works. And that's what you go with." <ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=3|id=wellofsouls|timestamp=|totalrunning=43:18}}</ref>
** "Here's— I like this little bit of business with Baltar's body coming back in a body bag, which I believe was— if I'm not mistaken— was something they made up on the set. Michael Rymer and James came up with this whole thing about hiding him in the body bag, and I heard about this afterward, in fact, I got a call from the studio, from Todd Sharp, who's the head of production at Universal, (laughs) called me and said "Are you aware that Baltar comes back to the ''Galactica'' in a body bag?" And I said "Yeah! Yeah! Yeah, that was a co— Yeah. Yeah, we talked about that, it was a complicated decision. And we'll talk about that more later.", and then I hung up on him. "Baltar comes back— what the fuck are they doing down on the set!?" And then I called Rymer, and "WHAT?!?", and he said— he explained it to me, and I said "Oh. Well that's smart." (laughs) Sometimes you just have to let— you have to be— you have to be willing to let them be smart, because they come up with some really nice stuff, and that was a really nice way of getting Baltar back aboard ''Galactica'' without having to play a whole big thing of hoopla, of bringing him back in chains or something."<ref>{{cite_rdm_podcast|episode=Rapture|act=4|id=bodybag|timestamp=|totalrunning=43:18}}</ref>

* ''[[Kandyse McClure]] on her scenes with [[Katee Sackhoff]]:''

: I loved that episode too! I have a great deal of respect for Katee and her work. I was really excited for the opportunity to finally get a real meaty scene with her. Contrary to what the scene is about, there was actually a lot of laughing going on… Katee is hysterical! We definitely don’t let what’s going on in the writing affect the quality of our work environment.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/854094.html|title=battlestar_blog: The CIC's #1 Girl|date=27 February 2008|accessdate=27 February 2008|last=Gould|first=Grant|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''The Admiral prepares his ship to unleash its nuclear arsenal:''
:'''William Adama:''' Mr. Gaeta, disable launch and warhead safeties on tubes four through ten.
:'''Felix Gaeta:''' Safeties disabled. Warheads … are armed.
:'''Adama:''' XO, please input your firing code.
:'''Saul Tigh:''' These nukes will obliterate anything or anyone within twenty clicks of the Temple.
:'''Adama:''' I know.

*''The Cylons react to Number Three's (D'Anna Biers) insubordination:''
:'''Cavil:''' That is not a good sign, my friends.
:'''Number Eight:''' She defied us. Defied the group.
:'''Leoben Conoy:''' It's not about the Eye of Jupiter. It's about her.
:'''Caprica-Six:''' It's like we don't even know them anymore.
:'''Cavil:''' We may have to so something about this. We may have to do it, sooner or later.

*''Chief Tyrol finds Gaius Baltar standing alone in the Temple of Five:''
:'''Tyrol:''' Welcome home, Mr. President. (Pistol-whips Baltar, knocking him unconscious)

*''Number Three (D'Anna Biers) to Cavil in the Temple of Five:''
:'''Number Three:''' This is my destiny. To see what lies between life and death.

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lieutenant [[Hoshi]]
*[[Eileen Pedde]] as Gunnery Seargant [[Erin Mathias]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]
*[[Aleks Paunovic]] as Sergeant [[Omar Fischer]]
*[[Tygh Runyan]] as Private [[Sykes]]

== References ==
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Talk:Six of One/Archive 1

2008-04-13T21:06:48Z

Akagi: /* Questions */

== Casting Head Baltar?!? ==
[http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr] Why would they be casting "Head Baltar"? The only reason I can think of is that James Callis has finally grown so much facial hair he can't just shave and regrow as he used to. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
:That's probably why. I have a feeling that Baltar is going to be a bit of a "religious" personage, he'll probably be sporting quite the growth. See [[Beard of Organized Labor]] for a bit of beard background. :) [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 15:01, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
:Age is also a possibility, but I'll wait until more information is known, before I engage in speculation about this. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:02, 13 June 2007 (CDT)
::Yeah, virtual Baltar could appear to Six as a child or an old man. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

== Seven of Nine ==

It seems like the name for this episode "Six of One" is a reference to the Star Trek: Voyager character '''Seven of Nine''' (another TV show that RMD had a hand in). On a personal note: I think that the name "Six of One" is about how Caprica Six will find true individuality, outside of the Cylon "Collective", or at least acceptance among the Galactica crew (like Athena). Any thoughts? [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 00:20, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:As noted on the page, the full idiom is "Six of one, half dozen of the other". The Cylons don't have that much similarities with the Borg and limited shared memories at most. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:14, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:: True but it could also be an "easter egg" for the fans (like me) that have way to much time on their hands. [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 01:35, 22 June 2007 (CDT)
:::There's also six known Cylons in the colonial fleet, and six unboxed Cylon models in the Cylon fleet. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 20:00, 26 June 2007 (CDT)
::::What if they add a 13th Cylon to the mix? Just to throw us even more off than the whole "Saul is a Cylon". [[User:Mishakal|Mishakal]] 21:36, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::There isn't any reason why there ''can't'' be another recently created Cylon model, but that falls under [[Battlestar Wiki:Fanwanking|fanwanking]] rather than plausible speculation. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 22:45, 6 July 2007 (CDT)
::::::I think its obviously based from the saying "Six of one, half dozen of the other". I think that fitting a Trek reference into this is stretching it a bit, I don't think its got anything to do with 7 of 9. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:12, 6 September 2007 (CDT)

== [[w:The Prisoner|Prisoner]] reference? ==

Given that Six's [[w:Number Six (The Prisoner)|name]] is inspired by that very show, it seems it wouldn't be wholly off to say this might well be another reference. Anyone agree or disagree? [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 23:35, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
* I'd be inclined to agree, but it might be best to leave it out unless the screenwriters say it was a reference, or the aired episode has more obvious Prisoner references (people saying "be seeing you", killer balloons, etc.) —[[User: Silly Dan|Silly Dan]] <sub>[[User talk:Silly Dan|(talk)]]</sub> 11:56, 17 February 2008 (CST)

== six of (the) one ==

If Baltar is really "the chosen one", ''Six Of One'' may be referring to his relationship and/or visions of Caprica Six. {{unsigned|Xlynx}}

== The Big Dee ==

Was that "getting the house" line from Lee an indication of a more permanent split between him and Dee? Or am I reading too much into it? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 23:36, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:Not sure, but the split seems kinda permanent now. And going back to Season 3, Dee entered the marriage fully aware that it might not last long, but is happy to be in it while it does. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 23:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:From the comments made in this episode, the split seems permanent. (Thank the Gods!) It is interesting that while Lee didn't have the balls to terminate the relationship, she did... But she knew that the relationship would've ended someday, so she was prepared for that possibility. I really, truthfully hope this means we'll get to see less of her this season, but given some of the comments about Dee having a "dark side" that'll come out this year, I sadly doubt it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::I prefer that he made some effort to keep their relationship going in "Taking a Break...". Sure, Dualla is right, and the marriage was never a thing that could last for a long time, but Adama just dropping her when it isn't convenient anymore isn't any way to show "balls". This way he he shows some commitment, despite sleeping around with Thrace, and the whole thing ended on better terms. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== Questions ==

A few of the entries in the questions section seem dubious.
:"Why do the Raiders not want to destroy the Final Five, yet Number Ones, Fours and Fives do?"
IMO the answer is that Raiders don't have the intelligence or motivation to overcome their instincts / programming not to harm Cylons.
:"Will Tory Foster fall under Baltar's spell?"
She was crying in shame and disgust, so I don't consider this plausible.
:"Why was Foster crying during intercourse with Baltar?"
I think this question should be removed. In act 1, when Tigh suggested that Tori seduce Baltar, Tori was disgusted by the prospect, however she decided to go thorugh with the plan despite her revulsion. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 23:59, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:Having seen her with Anders, we definitely know the "always cries" line was bogus. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 00:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree about the tears, but she seems to overcome that initial revulsion a bit, and even get into it at the end. Yes, the tears are probably from her disgust at the start, but that really changes and she even urges Baltar to continue and kisses him, instead of just leaving. And during the conversation, she seems to be captivated a bit by Baltar talking about music, before she leaves. The questions should be replaced by an analysis item or two exploring that. That's really more helpful and interesting than superficial questions. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 00:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::I've changed the first question, because the Ones, Fours, and Fives don't say that they want to destroy the Final Five. The others seem fair, as Tory seemed to be listening to Baltar. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:41, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "become another Baltar groupie", I think it's out of the question. If "fall under Baltar's spell" means "gradually become sympathetic to Baltar", it's plausible, but I think it should be rephrased. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 02:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I'll have to disagree, Gordon. There's more to Tory's crying than simple revulsion, although that's the feeling she had initially when Tigh proposed that she get close to Baltar. However with his mesmerizing bravo sierra about "music", his belief that Cylons are people, and that she doesn't quite know what to make of her "Cylon-ness", I have a feeling that she'll enter his cult, particularly since Roslin has one foot in the grave. Should be interesting how everything goes down, and I think we'll see more the next episode, given that Tory does something seriously bad ass for once. Bye, bye [[Cally|bitch]]. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 02:11, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Joe's spot on. Baltar's never had any problems with the ladies, especially Cylon ladies. Also, Joe's analysis of the crying is right on (This is referenced in Grey's Anatomy, the TV show, of all places. I suppose I must admit I watch it; Chler Leigh is hot, and it also makes a great common ground conversation point for older women :) ) ... where was I? Yeah, anyway. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 03:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I think the real question is why she decided to have sex with him. As for "falling under his spell", I think she could fall in with his cult, but I don't think she's capable of idolizing him like they do. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 09:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It wouldn't surprise me if she pulled some form of [[Gina]] on the cult. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the most dubious question is what will happen to the fleet's sewage. Does nobody else think this is just pathetic? {{unsigned|MiAd}}
:Just like many of the overly technical and trivial questions. But we can hardly go around and remove everything we don't like, so only the ''really'' stupid stuff gets removed. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Well, we know that ''Galactica'' is capable of nearly 100% water replenishment. One would assume that the Bucket's own waste management system supplements that system... The ones that'd really need this ship are the other civvie ships, which aren't capable of long-term sewage. Further, the ship is reported to be submarine like, and thus small... which makes it easily expendable, since it doesn't have the living space to support the Fleet's citizens.
:: Besides, they could always rip a page or three from the Empire's handbook and just jettison their junk before they jump to lightspeed. :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The question "Is the Eight dancing in front of Cavil Sharon Valerii? Does this signify anything?" is unimportant/answered. A dancing/training Eight appeared in "[[Torn]]" already, and the reason why Cavil watches is that she is nude. Baltar in "Torn" was more polite ;-) --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 21:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

== "Admiral Atheus"? ==

I could've sworn she said "Admiral Atheist", not "Atheus". Anyone care to confirm? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:54, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:Mhhh, could be, although I can't really hear the "t" at the end. "Atheus" would fit too, but despite the ancient Greek influences in the show, it's a very obscure reference. So "atheist" is more logical. -- [[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 21:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Natalie Faust

2008-04-13T13:04:15Z

Akagi: Extended article on the base of Six of One.

{{spoiler}}

:''This page is about "Natalie", a copy of Cylon Model Number Six. For information on other named Number Six copies, see [[Caprica Six]], [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina Inviere]]. For general information on the model, see [[Number Six]].''

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'''Natalie''' is a [[Number Six]] copy who leads a faction advocating the search for the [[Final Five]] Cylons.

After the [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] abort the [[Battle of the Ionian Nebula]] she, a [[Number Two]] and a [[Number Eight]] approach [[Number One|Cavil]] with the suggestion, that the [[Final Five]] are with the humans in the [[The Fleet (RDM)|refugee fleet]]. This is fully declined by Cavil. He suggests that only the raiders are a problem, that they extended there original programming and now violate their orders to fight the refugee fleet.

The faction that Natalie leeds looses a majority vote to prevent to dump down the raiders.

After a last attempt to stop the lobotomization of the raider she orders two [[Centurion]] into the conference room and reports to the attendant [[Number One]], [[Number Four]] and [[Number Five]] copies that they removed the [[Telencephalic inhibitor]]. These prevent the Centurions from higher cognitive functions. And the first thing the Centurions learned is what they do to the raiders. As the attendant copies try to escape they are gunned down ([[Six of One]]).

The consequences of these actions are unknown.

== Notes==

* The name "Natalie" stems from the Latin ''natalis'' (birthday), which could be a hint that she plays a significant role in the evolution of the Cylon culture.
* According to [[Ron Moore]], Natalie is "a bit more assertive as well as authoritative and not afraid to take charge" and is part of a division between the [[Significant Seven]] [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], of which she and [[Cavil]] are the major players.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://scifipulse.net/battlestarnews/RDM_Dec_07.html|title=Ron Moore Gives Some Further Insights Into Season 4 Of Battlestar|date=11 December 2007|accessdate=14 December 2007|last=Cullen|first=Ian M.|format=|language=}}</ref>

== References ==

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Guess What's Coming to Dinner?

2008-04-13T12:07:30Z

Akagi: /* Notes */

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== Overview ==
'''"Guess What's Coming to Dinner"''' is the {{oldlink|title=Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques|oldid=150256|text=confirmed title}} for episode seven.

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

=== Act 1 ===

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==
*The episode title is probably a reference to the film ''[[w:Guess Who's Coming to Dinner|Guess Who's Coming to Dinner]]''.
*Pavel Chekov says the line "Guess Who's Coming to Dinner" in "[[MemoryAlpha:Star_Trek_VI:_The_Undiscovered_Country|Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country]]" before the first meeting with the Klingons.

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== Questions ==


== Official Statements ==





== Noteworthy Dialogue ==



== Guest Stars ==


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Natalie Faust

2008-04-12T23:18:11Z

Akagi: Added photo.

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'''Natalie''' is a [[Number Six]] copy who leads a faction advocating the search for the [[Final Five]] Cylons.

According to [[Ron Moore]], Natalie is "a bit more assertive as well as authoritative and not afraid to take charge" and is part of a division between the [[Significant Seven]] [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], of which she and [[Cavil]] are the major players.<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://scifipulse.net/battlestarnews/RDM_Dec_07.html|title=Ron Moore Gives Some Further Insights Into Season 4 Of Battlestar|date=11 December 2007|accessdate=14 December 2007|last=Cullen|first=Ian M.|format=|language=}}</ref>

== Notes==
*The name "Natalie" stems from the Latin ''natalis'' (birthday), which could be a hint that she plays a significant role in the evolution of the Cylon culture.

== References ==

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Cylon Centurion

2008-04-12T14:32:25Z

Akagi: Fixed number of barrels of a Centurion.

: ''For information on the Centurions from the [[Original Series]], see [[Centurion (TOS)]].''

[[Image:Centurion profile (front) II.jpg|210px|thumb|right|Centurion, warrior of the Cylon army.]]

As the basic foot-soldier of the Cylon ground forces, the '''Cylon Centurion''' appears to represent a significant evolution of the [[Cylon Centurion Model 0005]]. The Centurion serves a variety of functions within the Cylon hierarchy, acting as guard, soldier, and periodically executioner. Whether they can recognize members of the [[Final Five]] - like [[Raider (RDM)|Raiders]] are able to - is presently unknown.

Centurions are sentient by design, however, an implant called a [[telencephalic inhibitor]] restricts the model's higher cognitive functions and prevents them from excising full self-awareness ([[Six of One]]). The device executes programming that precludes Centurions from harming any of the "[[Significant Seven]]" humanoid Cylons (except by [[Hero|explicit order]]), or distinguishing one copy of [[humanoid Cylon]] from another ([[Precipice]]). According to [[Sharon Agathon]], this was done to prevent a rebellion akin to the one that started the [[Cylon War|initial Cylon conflict]] ([[Occupation]]). Once the inhibitor is removed, Centurions gain the ability to reason for themselves, and subsequently rebel against several models of humanoid Cylon to halt the lobotomization of Raiders deemed to have surpassed their useful mental capacity ([[Six of One]]).

While primarily mechanical, it is suggested by humanoid Cylons (discussing a viral [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|epidemic]] aboard a stranded [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]) that the Centurions have at least some bio-mechanical components. This adverse reaction to the virus, however, could also be a result of a wireless link they share with the [[Hybrid]]; a [[Number Three]] states that the Centurions started shutting down as soon as the ship's Hybrid became infected ([[Torn]]).
[[Image:Centurion profile (side).jpg|210px|thumb|right|Centurion, defensive posture.]]
Unlike the Model 0005, a single modern Centurion can effectively combat a squad of Colonial soldiers. Long, talon-like fingers act as bladed weapons during close-combat, and fold back to reveal a two-barreled automatic [[KEW|projectile weapon]] mounted at the end of each arm. Since the Centurion appears to have a large internal munitions storage, and does not have to reload for prolonged periods, getting close enough to inflict damage to it is difficult. In addition to these built-in weapons, Centurions are capable of carrying larger, more powerful weapons not integrated into their systems, such as mortars and missile batteries. In "[[Razor]]", one Centurion boarding ''Pegasus'' carries a large, and likely powerful, rifle in its hands.

The newer Centurions are also more agile than their predecessors, being capable of extremely fast [[w:bipedal locomotion|bipedal locomotion]]. Additionally, their legs are powerful enough to allow for a jump height of several meters.

It is unknown whether Centurions can "speak" to other Cylons - they likely communicate with each other via a wireless network, making verbal speech unnecessary. They can, however, hear and respond to verbal commands from the humanoid Cylons ([[Hero]]).

Some versions of the Centurion wield markedly improved armor. A squadron of Centurions that board ''[[Galactica]]'' are unaffected by standard weaponry, being subdued only by armor-piercing explosive rounds ([[Valley of Darkness]]). The Centurions that [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] encounters on [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] appear to react more slowly, behave less intelligently, and are more easily destroyed by small-arms fire. However, if one takes into consideration the overall plan that the Cylons had for Helo and Sharon Agathon, it may be surmised that these variants were intended to inflict psychological, rather than physical harm. Conversely, Centurions seen on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] display an increased group intelligence, working together to construct an anti-aircraft battery from parts of a [[Heavy Raider]] ([[Fragged]]).

"Bullethead", "clanker" and "chrome job" are common Colonial nicknames for these advanced and deadly Cylon constructs ("[[Downloaded]]", "[[Rapture]]", [[Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance]]).

===Cinematic Notes===
The creators of the Re-imagined Series decided that using actors in an elaborate Cylon robot outfit (as was done in the Original Series) would detract from the realism of the series. They decided to make fully computer-generated Cylon Centurions for the new series.

Inaugural director [[Michael Rymer]] wanted the new Cylon warrior to blend in and avoid detracting from the live actor's performances. However, the new designs were eye-catching, and the new robot became a popular addition to many scenes. The virtual Cylons are designed with full articulation in the hands and joints that gives a realistic appearance to the viewer. Initially the new warrior was built with more human movement, such as swaggering. However, the movements did not fit the robotic attitude that the writers wanted to convey and were later discarded.

When filming a scene that will later have virtual Cylon warriors inserted, a life-size cardboard stand-in is used for framing purposes. The stand-in gives the camera operator an idea of how much space to leave in the frame and the animators a reference on how big the Centurions should be. The stand-in is removed so when shooting begins, the actors are reacting to an empty space. This minimizes the amount of work VFX must do to add a Centurion to the shot.

== Related Imagery ==

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Image:Cylon Centurion New 002.jpg|Centurion leaving a crashed [[Heavy Raider]] ([[Scattered]]).
Image:Cylon Centurion New 001.jpg|Centurion in action during the boarding of ''Galactica'' ([[Valley of Darkness]]).
Image:Centz.jpg|Centurion guard on New Caprica ([[Occupation]]).
Image:Centurion on Pegasus.jpg|Centurion aboard ''Pegasus'' ([[Razor]]).
Image:CenturionMortar.jpg|Centurions carrying mortars ([[The Eye of Jupiter]]).
Image:Centurion on Kobol.jpg|Centurion on Kobol ([[Fragged]]).
Image:CylonAAU.jpg|An improvised anti-aircraft missile launcher (Fragged).
Image:CenturionGun.jpg|A Centurion carrying a large gun (Razor).
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The Ties That Bind

2008-04-11T11:23:02Z

Akagi: Updated a spoiler.

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| title= The Ties That Bind
| season= 4
| episode= 3
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| writer=[[Michael Taylor]]<ref name="thewatcher">{{cite_web|url=http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/11/answers-to-your.html|title=Answers to your 'Razor' questions and clues about 'Battlestar Galactica's' final season|date=16 November 2007|accessdate=16 November 2007|last=Ryan|first=Maureen|format=|language=}}</ref>
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| US airdate=18 April 2008
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| prev= [[Six of One]]
| next= [[Escape Velocity]]
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== Overview ==
{{spoiltext|''[[Kara Thrace]] pilots a freighter in her search for [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]], while ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> crew members deal with political and marital issues. On the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] side, the [[Significant Seven]]'s solidarity is challenged.<ref>SciFi Magazine, April 2008 issue.</ref>}}

== Summary ==

=== Teaser ===

=== Act 1 ===

=== Act 2 ===

=== Act 3 ===

=== Act 4 ===

== Notes ==

* '''"The Ties That Bind"''' is the confirmed<ref name="thewatcher"/> title of the third [[Season 4]] episode.
* A [[Picon]] delegate is to be cast<ref name="sidesexpress">From a casting sheet originally posted on [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr GoBetween Inc.]. A [[:Image:GoBetween210607.jpg|screenshot]] is available on Battlestar Wiki Media, because the data isn't available forever.</ref>, suggesting an appearance of the [[Quorum of Twelve (RDM)|Quorum of Twelve]], or at least part of it.
*Like "[[He That Believeth In Me]]" and "[[Valley of Darkness]]", this episode's title is derived from Christian traditions; [[w:Blessed Be the Tie that Binds|Blessed Be the Tie that Binds]] is a Protestant hymn celebrating the unity that comes from love.
* According to [[Michael Taylor]], in this episode "we say goodbye to another longtime character, though who that is and the manner of his or her departure should come as a surprise."<ref name="thewatcher"/>
**{{spoilli|According to an unconfirmed source at the Patriot Resource - as well as an interview Aaron Douglas gave at Dragoncon (where he repeatedly proclaimed the words "Dead Cally, Dead Cally, Dead Cally") - Cally get airlocked by Tory Foster in this episode. It is unknown if the Chief's true (Cylon) identity is the reason for her decision to take her life.}}
* The script was being written while "[[Razor]]" was still in pre-production.<ref name="thewatcher"/>

== Analysis ==



== Questions ==



== Official Statements ==






== Noteworthy Dialogue ==




== Guest Stars ==

* [[Ryan McDonell]] as Lieutenant [[Eammon Pike|Eammon "Gonzo" Pike]]<ref name="imdb">This comes from the [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0993927/ IMDb entry] for the episode. Please note that IMDb is not the most reliable of resources, so this information may or may not be correct.</ref>
* [[Marilyn Norry]] as [[Reza Hebrides]]<ref name="imdb"/>

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Continuity errors (TRS)

2008-01-08T18:37:58Z

Akagi: Added </gallery> tag so the following category and interwiki link entries are used.

This is a listing of '''continuity errors''' in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].

== Acknowledged Mistakes ==

*At the end of "[[Home, Part II]]", when everyone is looking at the map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] in the [[Tomb of Athena]], Lee Adama points out the [[w:Lagoon Nebula|Lagoon Nebula]] in one of the constellations shown in the sky. According to him, and supported by the visual effects, the nebula is located in [[w:Scorpius|Scorpio]], but in the real world it is actually in the constellation [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]].
*At the beginning of "[[Downloaded]]" two captions are shown: one states that the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] in the [[Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries]] occurred nine months before the current episode (which is consistent with the other episodes in Season 2.5), while the second reads "10 weeks ago", and then shows [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] shooting [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]] in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]". However, it is impossible for this to have happened "10 weeks before 9 months after the attack": 9 months = 270 days. There is another plaque in the episode "[[Epiphanies]]" which clearly states on screen that that episode took place on Day 189. There are 70 days in 10 weeks. 70 days before Day 270 would be around Day 200; well after "Epiphanies". To correct this, the title card of the DVD and international television releases has been changed to "10 weeks later", meaning 10 weeks after [[Number Six|Number Six's]] rebirth.
*In "[[Scar]]" Starbuck and Kat fly [[Viper Mark VII]]s but the launch in the originally aired episode showed a [[Viper Mark II]]. This has been fixed in the DVD release which now includes a new, but somewhat shorter, launch sequence with the Mk VIIs. (Although, a few previous episodes like "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" only use the Mk II sequence, but both types of Vipers are deployed by ''Galactica''.)
*"[[Exodus, Part I]]": At the end of "[[Precipice]]" Cally is clearly in the woods when the gunfire is going off. At the time [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and his group take aim at the [[Cylon Centurion]], Cally has not reached the wooded area by the time gunfire sounds. Further, when the gunfire begins in "Precipice", Tyrol is at the firing position, far from Cally, while in "Exodus, Part I" he is holding her to the ground when it begins.

== [[Retroactive continuity|Retcons]] ==
*[[Season two timeline discontinuity]]: All episodes before Season 2.5 (starting with "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]") seem to indicate that Season 2.5 begins 3-4 months after the Cylon attack. However, "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and all subsequent Season 2.5 episodes indicate that "Resurrection Ship, Part I" began 6 months after the Cylon attack. See the main article for more detailed analysis. There are 3 main points of discontinuity:
**[[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] is not visibly pregnant in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", but by "[[Epiphanies]]", roughly 2-3 weeks later, she appears to be in her second trimester.
**The presidential elections in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" are said to take place 9 months after the attack, when throughout Season 1 it was consistently said to be 7 months after the Cylon attack.
**If all of the dates mentioned in each episode are counted up, "Pegasus" only occurs roughly three months post-attack, not six.
*[[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet numbers]]: In the [[Miniseries]], a total of 40 [[FTL]] ships (led by Roslin) rendezvous with ''Galactica'' at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. This makes the count 41 ships, including ''Galactica''. However, this number was enlarged for the series. In "[[33]]," Dualla states: "Jump 237 underway... 53 ships have jumped, 10 still reporting trouble with their FTL drives, including ''Colonial One''." Thus making the total 64 ships, including ''Galactica'' herself. By the end of "33", the count drops to 63 as [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] destroy the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''. In "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", Colonel Tigh mentions the Cylons searching for "a sixty-odd ships". The count offered in "[[The Farm]]" is similar — 24 ships leave to join [[Laura Roslin faction|Roslin's fleet]], which was "almost a third" of the Fleet, putting the number at about 75.
*The ''[[Astral Queen]]'': In the [[Miniseries]], [[Billy Keikeya]] states that the captain had 500 prisoners in his cargo hold, and that the ''Queen'' was a cargo vessel transporting prisoners to a prison. In "[[Bastille Day]]", [[Billy Keikeya]]'s lines were re-dubbed: '''1,500''' prisoners are aboard the ''Astral Queen'' and that the ship was a '''prison transport'''. Lee Adama would go on to later state that the ''Astral Queen'' was en route to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] for parole hearings.
*[[Cylon detector]]: In the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", it takes only minutes to identify [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]] as a Cylon. However, in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", he states that complete testing on one sample of blood takes 11 hours. However, this could be because a negative result takes 11 hours to confirm but a positive result potentially may be more instant.
*The exodus from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]: In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" Elosha, Billy and Roslin are discussing Kobol and the exodus of the tribes. Billy says that the ruins on Kobol are 2,000 years old. Elosha states this is when the ''Thirteen'' tribes left Kobol. Other mentions in the show (particularly [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]] episodes concerning the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|Cylon virus]] and the [[Temple of Five]]) mention that the 13th tribe left Kobol about 2,000 years before the other twelve did. Elosha's comment implies that all thirteen tribes left Kobol together, just in different directions.

== Danglers ==
Danglers are plotlines that have been started, but haven't yet been continued as of the end of [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]].
*[[Caprica-Six]] meeting: In the [[Miniseries]], at the end of the scene where [[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] walk through the park, Six says she has to meet someone. After Baltar walks away, she looks off-camera and says she had "been wondering when you'd get here." After this, there is a cut to ''Galatica''. Given that was the day of/before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]], it appears likely that the meeting was related to the Cylon's plans. Regardless of who she was meeting, this has not been revisited.
*[[Tom Zarek|Zarek]]-[[Ellen Tigh|Tigh]] plotline: In the episode "[[Colonial Day]]", it is heavily implied that [[Ellen Tigh]] revealed the location of [[Valance]] to agents of [[Tom Zarek]], and that she intends for her husband, Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], to meet with Zarek's people in the near future. As of the start of the third season, this plotline has not been revisited and probably will never be in light of Ellen's death in "[[Exodus, Part II]]".
*Zarek-[[Black market (organization)|black market]] plotline: Similarly, the end of "[[Black Market]]" implies that Zarek has assumed some measure of influence in that organization. This also has yet to be revisited.
*[[Demand Peace]]: The pro-Cylon terrorist faction that sprung up in the fleet during "[[Epiphanies]]" has yet to resurface as well. The episode concluded without any firm resolution regarding the fate of the movement and its leader [[Royan Jahee]], however their base of operations, "[[Cloud 9]]", was destroyed by [[Gina]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]". The plotline of "Epiphanies" implies that the group is gearing up for a full-scale campaign against the Fleet's leadership, but they are never seen again and the fates of the group's members are not discussed later on.

== Recasting ==
*[[Zak Adama]]: In the [[Miniseries]], a different actor (or stand-in) is pictured as Zak Adama. In "[[Act of Contrition]]", a new actor portrays Zak, and the picture was changed to reflect the casting choice.
*[[Ellen Tigh]]: Same with Zak Adama. The picture of Saul Tigh's wife, which Tigh has burned a hole through, was originally a picture of [[David Eick]]'s wife, Jennifer Berchfeild. When [[Kate Vernon]] was cast as Ellen in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", the image was changed.
*[[Richard Adar]]: In the Miniseries he is [[:md:Image:Bsg-baltar-adar.jpg|portrayed]] by [[David Eick]] in a photograph in Baltar's domicile on Caprica. When Adar appears in person in "[[Epiphanies]]" he is played by [[Colm Feore]].
*[[Carolanne Adama]] is portrayed by an uncredited actress during a cameo in "[[Act of Contrition]]". She is portrayed by [[Lucinda Jenney]] in the episode "[[A Day in the Life]]".

== VFX Gaffes ==
[[Image:1104reverse Scattered.JPG|thumb|left|Mirrored shot of Viper 1104 ([[Scattered]]).]]
*[[Miniseries]]: No less than three copies of [[Viper 1104]] are present at the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]. Of these, one is crash landed by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]], one destroyed by Cylon fire, and one successfully landed on ''Galactica''.
*[[Miniseries]] and "[[33]]": As ''Galactica'' prepares to jump to Ragnar Anchorage, the flight pods retract. As the ship jumps, the pods are not retracted. When ''Galactica'' has jumped to Ragnar Anchorage the pods are retracted again. This same footage is shown during the opening titles of "33".
*"[[33]]": As the Cylon Centurion approaches Helo from behind, the rain is hitting it, but it does not drip off its body. In contrast, water is dripping from Helo's face in a fairly consistent and noticeable manner.
*"[[You Can't Go Home Again]]": Before searching for Starbuck, [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] climbs into a Viper Mk VII, although he is shown piloting a Mk II in all other effects shots. However, his Mark VII is mentioned as being down for repairs at one point, implying that he flies it off screen.
*"[[Season 1 (2004-05)|Amid Season 1]]": Half-way through Season 1, the ''[[Colonial One]]'' CG model was updated and the seal of the President of the Colonies was added to the hull. However, the reuse of stock footage from the Miniseries and earlier in the first season cause the seal to continually disappear and reappear in the same episode depending on what shot is used.
*"[[Scattered]]": A shot of Viper 1104 is mirrored accidentally.
*"[[Flight of the Phoenix]]"''':
**Viper and [[List of pilots|pilot]] numbers: 42 Vipers are deployed at a time when no more than 34 could have been serviceable, and with no more than 25 pilots available.
**[[Blackbird]]: As the [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]] begins, the Blackbird (still incomplete, untested, and missing its composite skin by this point) can be seen swooping across the screen in a manner inconsistent with its flight characteristics; the ship was built for speed, not maneuverability. The ship also fires what appears to be autocannons, although Blackbird is unarmed except in its [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|final mission]].
*"[[The Captain's Hand]]": As Starbuck leads ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus's]]'' [[Viper Mark VII|Viper Mk VIIs]] into combat, a cockpit shot of her mistakenly shows [[Viper Mark II|Viper Mk IIs]] around her ship.
*"[[Crossroads, Part II]]": Lee Adama's Viper Mark VII is identified as 2220NC, or [[Viper 2220 (Mark VII)|Viper 2220]]. However, [[Viper 2220]] has already been established as a Viper Mark II, not a Mark VII, which has seen multiple appearances as Adama's Viper throughout Season 1.

==Prop and Equipment Errors==
[[Image:2276gaff Mini.JPG|thumb|Major Spencer in Viper 2276 ([[Miniseries]]).]]
*[[Miniseries]]:
**An [[wikipedia:F-16 Fighting Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] is visible in a picture in Adama's quarters when he and Colonel Tigh discuss Starbuck striking Tigh. However, this could be a tribute, the F-16 is sometimes called "Viper" by its pilots.
**The Viper Mk. VII flown by Major Spencer during the first sortie ([[Miniseries]]) is still marked as "Viper 2276NC" which is the Viper flown by Captain Lee Adama to ''Galactica''.
**As [[Sharon Valerii|"Boomer" Valerii]] takes off from Caprica with the civilians in the [[Raptor]], just after [[Helo]] shoots the civilian who jumps on to the wing, the camera points to Boomer, where viewers can see in the window reflection the crane that is hoisting the Raptor mockup into the air.
**As shown in a closeup of the pilot after giving [[Laura Roslin]] the [[Case Orange]] reply, the spaceline's name on the [[Colonial One captain]]'s uniform, "Eversun," is mismatched to the spaceline name used on ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' itself: [[Intersun]].
**When Starbuck's Viper is hit during the second sortie ("I'm all right"), her helmet is unsealed and open.
**Similarly, Lee Adama's collar is opened when he scolds her for being "beyond insane" as Thrace pushing Adama's Viper into ''Galactica's'' [[flight pod]] at the end of the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].
*"[[33]]":
**When [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] admits that she lost the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', her headset changes sides during the conversation.
**As Helo fires upon the Cylon Centurion that survives the detonation of an anti-personnel mine (similar to a [[Wikipedia:Claymore mine|Claymore mine]]), the first time Helo fires the pistol, it is heard to fire, but there is no accompanying visual spark from the barrel. In contrast, the second shot is accompanied by both a spark and the appropriate sound.
**After the disappearance of the ''Olympic Carrier'' in jump 238, with the timer running towards the 33 minute mark, the viewer can see that the clock is at 10 seconds. When focusing on Adama and Tigh, the viewer hears ten seconds counting off, but when the camera quick-pans to the overhead console, it reads that 3 seconds have passed.
**Before the clock reaches zero in the pre-title sequence, a wide shot of [[CIC]] is shown with Adama and Tigh standing at the central console. The timer on the screen above their heads is flashing 00:00:00.
*"[[Six Degrees of Separation]]": The special-effects group for the Re-imagined Series appear dedicated to creating computer screens, equipment and interfaces that are familiar to viewers, but aren't full counterparts to real-world Earth materials. However, the logo for NEC computer manufacturers can be seen on the monitors while [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] is working on the photograph. A similar occurrence happens in "Sacrifice".
*"[[Colonial Day]]": During the bar fight scene, [[Valance]]'s gun is shown with a silencer attached as it falls out of his briefcase, but the silencer is not present for the rest of the scene. The silencer is back when [[Valance]] is interrogated by Starbuck and Apollo.
*"[[Valley of Darkness]]": [[Kat]] finds a box of explosive rounds with only 6 shells. The shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times.
*"[[Black Market]]": At around 42:55 in the episode, the [[w:John Fowles|John Fowles]] historical fiction/romance novel ''[[w:The French Lieutenant's Woman|The French Lieutenant's Woman]]'' appears on a shelf behind the couch in [[William Adama]]'s room, to [[Lee Adama]]'s left.
*"[[Scar]]":
**The little model plane on top of the "Top Gun" mug sported by Starbuck and Kat is actually an [[wikipedia:F/A-18 Hornet|F/A-18 Hornet]].
**When getting intimate with Apollo, the bandage on Starbuck's back moves from one side to the other. Usually, such bandages are used to cover a tattoo of a crucifix on her shoulder.
*"[[Sacrifice]]":
**When Starbuck is getting the handguns out of her case, she still has the environmental engineer's hat on. When she quickly turns around with the guns and starts firing, her hat has disappeared without explanation.
**A computer mouse (a design created by [[Wikipedia:Microsoft|Microsoft]]) is seen connected to [[Sesha Abinell]]'s laptop computer.
*"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]": When the rescue mission returns from Caprica, [[Cavil]] (as well as probably Sharon Valerii and Karl Agathon) are carried by Raptor that is labeled with [[Racetrack]]'s name. However, Racetrack never made it to Caprica.
*"[[Exodus, Part II]]": The [[DRADIS]] displays on ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are free of interference from the [[New Caprica]] nebula, even though it continued to be an obvious problem for both ships at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
*"[[The Passage]]": [[Raymond Lai|Raymond "Raygun" Lai]]'s name appears on ''Galactica''’s flight roster. His name previously appeared on one of the 40 year-old Viper Mk. IIs in the ''Galactica'' museum during the [[Miniseries]].
*"[[Razor]]":
** Early in the scenes with the search and rescue party in the [[Guardian basestar]], Kara Thrace can be seen with the [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Tattoos|tattoo]] she gets after marrying [[Samuel Anders]], an event that won't happen for months from the story's perspective. It is absent in later scenes.
**[[Kendra Shaw]] has a band-aid on the end of her right index finger throughout the episode, in both the present and in the flashback scenes. However, it seems highly unlikely that she would either still be wearing it over the course of ten months or would coincidently have to apply another one on the same part of the same finger.
* In several episodes characters wear the wrong [[Military Ranks (RDM)|rank insignia]]:
** "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]": [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] wears "lieutenant j.g." (short chevron) insignia in several scenes.
** "[[Fragged]]": [[Cally]] is wearing petty officer, 2nd class instead of crewman specialist insignia.
** "[[Home, Part I]]" and "[[Home, Part II]]": [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] wears major instead of captain insignia.
** "[[Scar]]":
*** In the first scene in the recreation room Starbuck wears lieutenant insignia despite having been promoted to captain.
*** Some of the [[nuggets]] have lieutenant insignia despite being addressed as ensigns. Apparently, the prop department had not produced the ensign insignias at that time.
** "[[The Captain's Hand]]": Apollo's insignia switch between captain and major at least once. Major is his correct rank at that time.
**"[[Hero]]": In the flashback scenes in ''Valkyrie'''s CIC, Commander Adama is wearing admiral's insignia.
**"[[Dirty Hands]]": Again, lt. j.g pins are used for the rank of ensign.

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==Dialogue Errors==
*[[Miniseries]]:
**Tigh exclaims "Jesus!" when shown the photo of Adama, Zak and Lee. Ron Moore has stated that this was just an ad-lib by the actor, and was never in the script, and should have been removed during editing.
***This was removed from the "theatrical version" shown on [[Universal HD | UniversalHD]].
**When being informed by Six of her true nature and mission, [[Gaius Baltar]] exclaims "Oh, my God!" as opposed to "Gods".
**[[Jackson Spencer]] also makes this mistake after the Cylon Raiders launch missiles at his disabled squadron.
**The pronunciation of Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]]'s name frequently shifts between ''GAY-ta'' and ''GUY-ta'' during the Miniseries. Colonel Tigh regularly calls him GUY-ta while Adama vacillates between GAY-ta and GUY-ta. From "33" onward he is referred to by everyone as GAY-ta.
* "[[33]]":
** Helo states his rank as "Lieutenant, junior grade" despite consistently wearing "Lieutenant, senior grade" rank insignia.
** Later in the episode, when President Roslin and Dr. Baltar are discussing cutting off communications with the ''Olympic Carrier'', Baltar uses the term "radio" instead of the in-universe term of "wireless" during the conversation.
*"[[Scattered]]": During the scene on Caprica, Helo exclaims "for God Sakes" instead of the Colonial "for Gods' Sakes" or Cylon "for God's Sake".
*"[[Downloaded]]": In the Miniseries, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] claims that her parents died while she was very young, later supported by dialogue in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" regarding the accident at [[Troy (RDM)|Troy]]. In "Downloaded" she explains that she received a gift from her mother when she left for the Fleet academy.
*"[[Hero]]": The episode places the flashback events one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this conflicts with earlier information that Adama served on ''Galactica'' for several years, Tyrol under him for at least five years and Gaeta for three years. For more details, see [[Hero#Analysis]].

==Crew Visible==
*A member of the production crew, possibly a boom operator, is visible on screen in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". He can be seen behind the damaged wall behind the display of the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
*In "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" another camera operator can be briefly seen after the fight between Tyrol and Helo, as Tyrol walks to the Raptor to sit on its wing.

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Image:Gaffcrew klgpII.JPG|Crew member visible in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
Image:PhoenixCrewVisible.jpg|Camerca crew in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]".
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Continuity errors (TRS)

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This is a listing of '''continuity errors''' in the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]].

== Acknowledged Mistakes ==

*At the end of "[[Home, Part II]]", when everyone is looking at the map to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] in the [[Tomb of Athena]], Lee Adama points out the [[w:Lagoon Nebula|Lagoon Nebula]] in one of the constellations shown in the sky. According to him, and supported by the visual effects, the nebula is located in [[w:Scorpius|Scorpio]], but in the real world it is actually in the constellation [[wikipedia:Sagittarius (constellation)|Sagittarius]].
*At the beginning of "[[Downloaded]]" two captions are shown: one states that the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]] in the [[Miniseries, Night 1|Miniseries]] occurred nine months before the current episode (which is consistent with the other episodes in Season 2.5), while the second reads "10 weeks ago", and then shows [[Cally Tyrol|Cally]] shooting [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]] in "[[Resistance (episode)|Resistance]]". However, it is impossible for this to have happened "10 weeks before 9 months after the attack": 9 months = 270 days. There is another plaque in the episode "[[Epiphanies]]" which clearly states on screen that that episode took place on Day 189. There are 70 days in 10 weeks. 70 days before Day 270 would be around Day 200; well after "Epiphanies". To correct this, the title card of the DVD and international television releases has been changed to "10 weeks later", meaning 10 weeks after [[Number Six|Number Six's]] rebirth.
*In "[[Scar]]" Starbuck and Kat fly [[Viper Mark VII]]s but the launch in the originally aired episode showed a [[Viper Mark II]]. This has been fixed in the DVD release which now includes a new, but somewhat shorter, launch sequence with the Mk VIIs. (Although, a few previous episodes like "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" only use the Mk II sequence, but both types of Vipers are deployed by ''Galactica''.)
*"[[Exodus, Part I]]": At the end of "[[Precipice]]" Cally is clearly in the woods when the gunfire is going off. At the time [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and his group take aim at the [[Cylon Centurion]], Cally has not reached the wooded area by the time gunfire sounds. Further, when the gunfire begins in "Precipice", Tyrol is at the firing position, far from Cally, while in "Exodus, Part I" he is holding her to the ground when it begins.

== [[Retroactive continuity|Retcons]] ==
*[[Season two timeline discontinuity]]: All episodes before Season 2.5 (starting with "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]") seem to indicate that Season 2.5 begins 3-4 months after the Cylon attack. However, "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and all subsequent Season 2.5 episodes indicate that "Resurrection Ship, Part I" began 6 months after the Cylon attack. See the main article for more detailed analysis. There are 3 main points of discontinuity:
**[[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Valerii]] is not visibly pregnant in "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", but by "[[Epiphanies]]", roughly 2-3 weeks later, she appears to be in her second trimester.
**The presidential elections in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]" are said to take place 9 months after the attack, when throughout Season 1 it was consistently said to be 7 months after the Cylon attack.
**If all of the dates mentioned in each episode are counted up, "Pegasus" only occurs roughly three months post-attack, not six.
*[[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet numbers]]: In the [[Miniseries]], a total of 40 [[FTL]] ships (led by Roslin) rendezvous with ''Galactica'' at [[Ragnar Anchorage]]. This makes the count 41 ships, including ''Galactica''. However, this number was enlarged for the series. In "[[33]]," Dualla states: "Jump 237 underway... 53 ships have jumped, 10 still reporting trouble with their FTL drives, including ''Colonial One''." Thus making the total 64 ships, including ''Galactica'' herself. By the end of "33", the count drops to 63 as [[Lee Adama]] and [[Kara Thrace]] destroy the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]''. In "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", Colonel Tigh mentions the Cylons searching for "a sixty-odd ships". The count offered in "[[The Farm]]" is similar — 24 ships leave to join [[Laura Roslin faction|Roslin's fleet]], which was "almost a third" of the Fleet, putting the number at about 75.
*The ''[[Astral Queen]]'': In the [[Miniseries]], [[Billy Keikeya]] states that the captain had 500 prisoners in his cargo hold, and that the ''Queen'' was a cargo vessel transporting prisoners to a prison. In "[[Bastille Day]]", [[Billy Keikeya]]'s lines were re-dubbed: '''1,500''' prisoners are aboard the ''Astral Queen'' and that the ship was a '''prison transport'''. Lee Adama would go on to later state that the ''Astral Queen'' was en route to [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]] for parole hearings.
*[[Cylon detector]]: In the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]", it takes only minutes to identify [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|"Boomer" Valerii]] as a Cylon. However, in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", he states that complete testing on one sample of blood takes 11 hours. However, this could be because a negative result takes 11 hours to confirm but a positive result potentially may be more instant.
*The exodus from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]: In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]" Elosha, Billy and Roslin are discussing Kobol and the exodus of the tribes. Billy says that the ruins on Kobol are 2,000 years old. Elosha states this is when the ''Thirteen'' tribes left Kobol. Other mentions in the show (particularly [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]] episodes concerning the [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|Cylon virus]] and the [[Temple of Five]]) mention that the 13th tribe left Kobol about 2,000 years before the other twelve did. Elosha's comment implies that all thirteen tribes left Kobol together, just in different directions.

== Danglers ==
Danglers are plotlines that have been started, but haven't yet been continued as of the end of [[Season 3 (2006-07)|Season 3]].
*[[Caprica-Six]] meeting: In the [[Miniseries]], at the end of the scene where [[Number Six]] and [[Gaius Baltar]] walk through the park, Six says she has to meet someone. After Baltar walks away, she looks off-camera and says she had "been wondering when you'd get here." After this, there is a cut to ''Galatica''. Given that was the day of/before the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|attack]], it appears likely that the meeting was related to the Cylon's plans. Regardless of who she was meeting, this has not been revisited.
*[[Tom Zarek|Zarek]]-[[Ellen Tigh|Tigh]] plotline: In the episode "[[Colonial Day]]", it is heavily implied that [[Ellen Tigh]] revealed the location of [[Valance]] to agents of [[Tom Zarek]], and that she intends for her husband, Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], to meet with Zarek's people in the near future. As of the start of the third season, this plotline has not been revisited and probably will never be in light of Ellen's death in "[[Exodus, Part II]]".
*Zarek-[[Black market (organization)|black market]] plotline: Similarly, the end of "[[Black Market]]" implies that Zarek has assumed some measure of influence in that organization. This also has yet to be revisited.
*[[Demand Peace]]: The pro-Cylon terrorist faction that sprung up in the fleet during "[[Epiphanies]]" has yet to resurface as well. The episode concluded without any firm resolution regarding the fate of the movement and its leader [[Royan Jahee]], however their base of operations, "[[Cloud 9]]", was destroyed by [[Gina]] in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]". The plotline of "Epiphanies" implies that the group is gearing up for a full-scale campaign against the Fleet's leadership, but they are never seen again and the fates of the group's members are not discussed later on.

== Recasting ==
*[[Zak Adama]]: In the [[Miniseries]], a different actor (or stand-in) is pictured as Zak Adama. In "[[Act of Contrition]]", a new actor portrays Zak, and the picture was changed to reflect the casting choice.
*[[Ellen Tigh]]: Same with Zak Adama. The picture of Saul Tigh's wife, which Tigh has burned a hole through, was originally a picture of [[David Eick]]'s wife, Jennifer Berchfeild. When [[Kate Vernon]] was cast as Ellen in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", the image was changed.
*[[Richard Adar]]: In the Miniseries he is [[:md:Image:Bsg-baltar-adar.jpg|portrayed]] by [[David Eick]] in a photograph in Baltar's domicile on Caprica. When Adar appears in person in "[[Epiphanies]]" he is played by [[Colm Feore]].
*[[Carolanne Adama]] is portrayed by an uncredited actress during a cameo in "[[Act of Contrition]]". She is portrayed by [[Lucinda Jenney]] in the episode "[[A Day in the Life]]".

== VFX Gaffes ==
[[Image:1104reverse Scattered.JPG|thumb|left|Mirrored shot of Viper 1104 ([[Scattered]]).]]
*[[Miniseries]]: No less than three copies of [[Viper 1104]] are present at the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]]. Of these, one is crash landed by Lieutenant [[Kara Thrace|Thrace]], one destroyed by Cylon fire, and one successfully landed on ''Galactica''.
*[[Miniseries]] and "[[33]]": As ''Galactica'' prepares to jump to Ragnar Anchorage, the flight pods retract. As the ship jumps, the pods are not retracted. When ''Galactica'' has jumped to Ragnar Anchorage the pods are retracted again. This same footage is shown during the opening titles of "33".
*"[[33]]": As the Cylon Centurion approaches Helo from behind, the rain is hitting it, but it does not drip off its body. In contrast, water is dripping from Helo's face in a fairly consistent and noticeable manner.
*"[[You Can't Go Home Again]]": Before searching for Starbuck, [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] climbs into a Viper Mk VII, although he is shown piloting a Mk II in all other effects shots. However, his Mark VII is mentioned as being down for repairs at one point, implying that he flies it off screen.
*"[[Season 1 (2004-05)|Amid Season 1]]": Half-way through Season 1, the ''[[Colonial One]]'' CG model was updated and the seal of the President of the Colonies was added to the hull. However, the reuse of stock footage from the Miniseries and earlier in the first season cause the seal to continually disappear and reappear in the same episode depending on what shot is used.
*"[[Scattered]]": A shot of Viper 1104 is mirrored accidentally.
*"[[Flight of the Phoenix]]"''':
**Viper and [[List of pilots|pilot]] numbers: 42 Vipers are deployed at a time when no more than 34 could have been serviceable, and with no more than 25 pilots available.
**[[Blackbird]]: As the [[Great Cylon Turkey Shoot]] begins, the Blackbird (still incomplete, untested, and missing its composite skin by this point) can be seen swooping across the screen in a manner inconsistent with its flight characteristics; the ship was built for speed, not maneuverability. The ship also fires what appears to be autocannons, although Blackbird is unarmed except in its [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|final mission]].
*"[[The Captain's Hand]]": As Starbuck leads ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus's]]'' [[Viper Mark VII|Viper Mk VIIs]] into combat, a cockpit shot of her mistakenly shows [[Viper Mark II|Viper Mk IIs]] around her ship.
*"[[Crossroads, Part II]]": Lee Adama's Viper Mark VII is identified as 2220NC, or [[Viper 2220 (Mark VII)|Viper 2220]]. However, [[Viper 2220]] has already been established as a Viper Mark II, not a Mark VII, which has seen multiple appearances as Adama's Viper throughout Season 1.

==Prop and Equipment Errors==
[[Image:2276gaff Mini.JPG|thumb|Major Spencer in Viper 2276 ([[Miniseries]]).]]
*[[Miniseries]]:
**An [[wikipedia:F-16 Fighting Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] is visible in a picture in Adama's quarters when he and Colonel Tigh discuss Starbuck striking Tigh. However, this could be a tribute, the F-16 is sometimes called "Viper" by its pilots.
**The Viper Mk. VII flown by Major Spencer during the first sortie ([[Miniseries]]) is still marked as "Viper 2276NC" which is the Viper flown by Captain Lee Adama to ''Galactica''.
**As [[Sharon Valerii|"Boomer" Valerii]] takes off from Caprica with the civilians in the [[Raptor]], just after [[Helo]] shoots the civilian who jumps on to the wing, the camera points to Boomer, where viewers can see in the window reflection the crane that is hoisting the Raptor mockup into the air.
**As shown in a closeup of the pilot after giving [[Laura Roslin]] the [[Case Orange]] reply, the spaceline's name on the [[Colonial One captain]]'s uniform, "Eversun," is mismatched to the spaceline name used on ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' itself: [[Intersun]].
**When Starbuck's Viper is hit during the second sortie ("I'm all right"), her helmet is unsealed and open.
**Similarly, Lee Adama's collar is opened when he scolds her for being "beyond insane" as Thrace pushing Adama's Viper into ''Galactica's'' [[flight pod]] at the end of the [[Battle of Ragnar Anchorage]].
*"[[33]]":
**When [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]] admits that she lost the ''[[Olympic Carrier]]'', her headset changes sides during the conversation.
**As Helo fires upon the Cylon Centurion that survives the detonation of an anti-personnel mine (similar to a [[Wikipedia:Claymore mine|Claymore mine]]), the first time Helo fires the pistol, it is heard to fire, but there is no accompanying visual spark from the barrel. In contrast, the second shot is accompanied by both a spark and the appropriate sound.
**After the disappearance of the ''Olympic Carrier'' in jump 238, with the timer running towards the 33 minute mark, the viewer can see that the clock is at 10 seconds. When focusing on Adama and Tigh, the viewer hears ten seconds counting off, but when the camera quick-pans to the overhead console, it reads that 3 seconds have passed.
**Before the clock reaches zero in the pre-title sequence, a wide shot of [[CIC]] is shown with Adama and Tigh standing at the central console. The timer on the screen above their heads is flashing 00:00:00.
*"[[Six Degrees of Separation]]": The special-effects group for the Re-imagined Series appear dedicated to creating computer screens, equipment and interfaces that are familiar to viewers, but aren't full counterparts to real-world Earth materials. However, the logo for NEC computer manufacturers can be seen on the monitors while [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]] is working on the photograph. A similar occurrence happens in "Sacrifice".
*"[[Colonial Day]]": During the bar fight scene, [[Valance]]'s gun is shown with a silencer attached as it falls out of his briefcase, but the silencer is not present for the rest of the scene. The silencer is back when [[Valance]] is interrogated by Starbuck and Apollo.
*"[[Valley of Darkness]]": [[Kat]] finds a box of explosive rounds with only 6 shells. The shells in the container start out scattered within the box, but as the camera cuts back and forth in the scene the shells switch from organized to scattered many times.
*"[[Black Market]]": At around 42:55 in the episode, the [[w:John Fowles|John Fowles]] historical fiction/romance novel ''[[w:The French Lieutenant's Woman|The French Lieutenant's Woman]]'' appears on a shelf behind the couch in [[William Adama]]'s room, to [[Lee Adama]]'s left.
*"[[Scar]]":
**The little model plane on top of the "Top Gun" mug sported by Starbuck and Kat is actually an [[wikipedia:F/A-18 Hornet|F/A-18 Hornet]].
**When getting intimate with Apollo, the bandage on Starbuck's back moves from one side to the other. Usually, such bandages are used to cover a tattoo of a crucifix on her shoulder.
*"[[Sacrifice]]":
**When Starbuck is getting the handguns out of her case, she still has the environmental engineer's hat on. When she quickly turns around with the guns and starts firing, her hat has disappeared without explanation.
**A computer mouse (a design created by [[Wikipedia:Microsoft|Microsoft]]) is seen connected to [[Sesha Abinell]]'s laptop computer.
*"[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]": When the rescue mission returns from Caprica, [[Cavil]] (as well as probably Sharon Valerii and Karl Agathon) are carried by Raptor that is labeled with [[Racetrack]]'s name. However, Racetrack never made it to Caprica.
*"[[Exodus, Part II]]": The [[DRADIS]] displays on ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' are free of interference from the [[New Caprica]] nebula, even though it continued to be an obvious problem for both ships at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
*"[[The Passage]]": [[Raymond Lai|Raymond "Raygun" Lai]]'s name appears on ''Galactica''’s flight roster. His name previously appeared on one of the 40 year-old Viper Mk. IIs in the ''Galactica'' museum during the [[Miniseries]].
*"[[Razor]]":
** Early in the scenes with the search and rescue party in the [[Guardian basestar]], Kara Thrace can be seen with the [[Arts and Literature of the Twelve Colonies#Tattoos|tattoo]] she gets after marrying [[Samuel Anders]], an event that won't happen for months from the story's perspective. It is absent in later scenes.
**[[Kendra Shaw]] has a band-aid on the end of her right index finger throughout the episode, in both the present and in the flashback scenes. However, it seems highly unlikely that she would either still be wearing it over the course of ten months or would coincidently have to apply another one on the same part of the same finger.
* In several episodes characters wear the wrong [[Military Ranks (RDM)|rank insignia]]:
** "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]": [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] wears "lieutenant j.g." (short chevron) insignia in several scenes.
** "[[Fragged]]": [[Cally]] is wearing petty officer, 2nd class instead of crewman specialist insignia.
** "[[Home, Part I]]" and "[[Home, Part II]]": [[Lee Adama|Apollo]] wears major instead of captain insignia.
** "[[Scar]]":
*** In the first scene in the recreation room Starbuck wears lieutenant insignia despite having been promoted to captain.
*** Some of the [[nuggets]] have lieutenant insignia despite being addressed as ensigns. Apparently, the prop department had not produced the ensign insignias at that time.
** "[[The Captain's Hand]]": Apollo's insignia switch between captain and major at least once. Major is his correct rank at that time.
**"[[Hero]]": In the flashback scenes in ''Valkyrie'''s CIC, Commander Adama is wearing admiral's insignia.
**"[[Dirty Hands]]": Again, lt. j.g pins are used for the rank of ensign.

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==Dialogue Errors==
*[[Miniseries]]:
**Tigh exclaims "Jesus!" when shown the photo of Adama, Zak and Lee. Ron Moore has stated that this was just an ad-lib by the actor, and was never in the script, and should have been removed during editing.
***This was removed from the "theatrical version" shown on [[Universal HD | UniversalHD]].
**When being informed by Six of her true nature and mission, [[Gaius Baltar]] exclaims "Oh, my God!" as opposed to "Gods".
**[[Jackson Spencer]] also makes this mistake after the Cylon Raiders launch missiles at his disabled squadron.
**The pronunciation of Lt. [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]]'s name frequently shifts between ''GAY-ta'' and ''GUY-ta'' during the Miniseries. Colonel Tigh regularly calls him GUY-ta while Adama vacillates between GAY-ta and GUY-ta. From "33" onward he is referred to by everyone as GAY-ta.
* "[[33]]":
** Helo states his rank as "Lieutenant, junior grade" despite consistently wearing "Lieutenant, senior grade" rank insignia.
** Later in the episode, when President Roslin and Dr. Baltar are discussing cutting off communications with the ''Olympic Carrier'', Baltar uses the term "radio" instead of the in-universe term of "wireless" during the conversation.
*"[[Scattered]]": During the scene on Caprica, Helo exclaims "for God Sakes" instead of the Colonial "for Gods' Sakes" or Cylon "for God's Sake".
*"[[Downloaded]]": In the Miniseries, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] claims that her parents died while she was very young, later supported by dialogue in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" regarding the accident at [[Troy (RDM)|Troy]]. In "Downloaded" she explains that she received a gift from her mother when she left for the Fleet academy.
*"[[Hero]]": The episode places the flashback events one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this conflicts with earlier information that Adama served on ''Galactica'' for several years, Tyrol under him for at least five years and Gaeta for three years. For more details, see [[Hero#Analysis]].

==Crew Visible==
*A member of the production crew, possibly a boom operator, is visible on screen in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]". He can be seen behind the damaged wall behind the display of the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
*In "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]" another camera operator can be briefly seen after the fight between Tyrol and Helo, as Tyrol walks to the Raptor to sit on its wing.

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Image:Gaffcrew klgpII.JPG|Crew member visible in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
Image:PhoenixCrewVisible.jpg|Camerca crew in "[[Flight of the Phoenix]]".

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Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation/Archive4

2008-01-06T02:27:55Z

Akagi: New section: Entertainment Weekly article

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== Major re-write ==

I'm in the process of completely re-writing this article to bring it up to date with season 3. In particular, I'm removing any assessment or grouping into "moderate" or "low" probability but, for each leading character listing reasons for suspicion and reasons for doubt and letting the reader decide. Any ideas on what this article needs, now would be a good time to suggest. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:17, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:Erm, are you working on an old version? This was already done a while ago. All the fanwankery and excessive speculation was finally removed. Some with the probabilities, which were really silly. Anyways, now the article only lists Starbuck and Baltar, who are the most likely suspects. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:34, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
::I'm working on assesing the whole "human" central cast, although its immediately clear who are the biggest suspects. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 15:48, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:::The page was specifically cleansed to get rid of all the excessive speculation about everyone. This has been discussed on the talk page. Also see [[Characters eliminated from suspicion‎]] for why Helo and Cally Tyrol can't be Cylons and why the Adamas and Roslin probably aren't (has real-world reasons though). Baltar already has his [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|own article]]. Starbuck is mentioned here. So that's everyone covered. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:52, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:OK, done it. Hope you like. I've limited the scope to the central characters (because "Oh, [[Hot Dog]]'s the Cylon" would be pretty much an anticlimax). I think this is clearer and more organised than before, and allows us to demonstrate why certain characters are unlikely to be Cylons, rather than not talking about them. I have NOT included

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because I think it is clear from the context that RDM was discussing Bill and Laura being revealed as part of the ''four'' in [[Crossroads, Part II]]. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 16:37, 18 September 2007 (CDT)

::Don't take this personally, but I don't. The old article was way better IMHO. Granted, it outsourced the eliminated characters to another page, which could be done away with maybe. But while your article is factually correct (*) with the pro and cons for everyone, I found the old one read more interestingly, because it was complete text and not just a list of a bullet points. That gave you the pointers to draw your own conclusions and links to pursue further indications.
::What yours has going for it is that it doesn't just rely on out-of-universe sources for the Adamas and Roslin, but the sacrifices for that are too high. I'd rather have the "eliminated characters" article edited to include those points, but restore this one. But I'm just one person, so don't be discouraged. Some other people can weigh in too. But with an article has hotly contested as this one - see talk pages - you should have solicited some feedback ''before'' editing. Also because it could have saved you work.
:::(*) Except for some things like Adama in "[[A Day in the Life]]". That is '''not''' projection, but a stylistic choice to show his inner monologue --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:53, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
::I more or less agree with Serenity. While you bring up some nice points in your revamped version of the page, it is just a bunch of bullet points. Text, like in the old version, is a much more comfortable read. ---[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 01:13, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

== Projection is a form of daydreaming ==

To be honest, the differences between "projecting" and "daydreaming" are sufficiently blurred here, since it's really the same thing. Also, it's really had to tell the difference between both, particularly in the Adama's case, so I'm not entirely sure of how we should approach that here. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:01, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:Yeah. Bill Adama's "projection" was weak, so I've removed it. The problem is, I can't think of any other plausible reason for suspicion. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 17:07, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
:We already have it as non-projection on [[Virtual beings#Notes]]. I know that some people are crazy about anything that looks like Cylons, but I never saw it as anything but Adama's inner musings and imagination. Sure, it goes beyond what one might expect, but he doesn't really have any dialogues with his wife. She talks a lot and for me that works perfectly fine as a representation of Adama's thoughts and him re-hashing things his wife told him over the years. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:10, 18 September 2007 (CDT)
::I think that anything which could be projection is something which could be a hint. A single hallucination is weak evidence, since all five of the characters on the list have hallucinated and only one of them can be a Cylon, but it adds to the other evidence. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 19:42, 6 November 2007 (CST)

==Current Form==

Whoever conceived of the current form of this page, I give you a standing ovation. Brilliant. I love the layout. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:53, 5 November 2007 (CST)
:It would be better by incorporating the Baltar and Thrace sections of the [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Humanoid_Cylon_speculation&diff=127811&oldid=127642 old version] at the start, since those are the most important and just read more interestingly than mere bullet points. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:22, 6 November 2007 (CST)

==Season 4 spoilers==
According to [http://roadrunnerdm.livejournal.com/84288.html this blog entry], Kara Thrace believes she is a Cylon, but Katee Sackhoff believes otherwise. Should this be mentioned in the article, or is it too vague? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker|Gordon Ecker]] 04:25, 27 November 2007 (CST)

I've included it in a spoiler box. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 06:06, 29 November 2007 (CST)

== Bullet points > text ==

Converted the bullet points to more readable text. I've also added a section for [[Virtual beings]] which is my favourite theory at the moment. [[User:OTW|OTW]] 05:57, 29 November 2007 (CST)
:Thanks. Looks much better now. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:52, 29 November 2007 (CST)

== Entertainment Weekly article ==

[http://community.livejournal.com/battlestar_blog/814818.html#cutid1 Entertainment Weekly #973] has an article that can be used for the speculation.

Refering to no. 10 of this article, all persons on the picture are either humans or cylons - The last cylon is not on the picture; its seat is empty. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 20:27, 5 January 2008 (CST)

Talk:DRADIS/Archive 1

2008-01-02T23:00:20Z

Akagi: New section: Synonyms D, Ra and Dis

==Early discussion==
I've always thought it was similar to the US Navy's [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/aegis.htm Aegis Mk VII] system. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:54, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

:There's a definite RDM blog answer that's about a sentence long and says it's a different word for radar.

:Something else is very similar to Aegis, though... I think it's in a battlestar article, probably a point-defense item for obvious reasons. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 01:06, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

It is stated that DRADIS stands for 'Direction RAnge and DIStance'.

Should it not be 'Direction RAnge Detection and Identification System' This still has the acronym DRADIS?

:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0

::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):

:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

It adds nothing to the debate :), but when i heard the anacronym '''DRADIS''', i instantly though "oh cool, thats '''D'''irection, '''R'''ange '''A'''n'''D''' '''I'''dentification '''S'''ystem ...good to see someone is thinking hard about all the little stuff"

To me it makes sense for it to mean this...remember the first few eps of ST didnt have Starfleet, but the United Earth Space Probe Agency or some such....ID it is! Hooray! :) And i'd write it as Dradis..like Radar..the caps dissapear after a while :) --[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 07:36, 1 February 2006 (EST)Simmons

"Range" and "Distance" are indeed redundant in their most common sense, but in space, a system like this would be pretty much pointless if it didn't provide directional information in ''two'' axes, as well as the distance. Even without a useful expansion of the acronym, it should be abundantly clear that these would be the three values present in the reading for a single DRADIS contact. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.

:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:: Another interesting note - The Army in its land navigation uses a method of measurement called the mil [[http://www.survivaliq.com/navigation/direction_par1.htm]] which breaks a circle up into 6400 parts rather than 360. That may explain the higher numbers quoted. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 15:01, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)

::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:: my point is just that this article can describe what DRADIS measures, and how, without expanding the acronym. is the early teleplay manuscript the only source for Direction, RAnge, and DIStance? if so, it seems like this is, at best, something less than canonical. [[User:Cmr|Cmr]] 17:35, 15 January 2006 (EST)

::Another (possibly unhelpful) speculation. DRADIS might be expanded usefully to 'Direction RAdius and DIStance.' This would provide the bearing to target (in three-space), the distance to target, and the radius (radians?) of the target at that distance - either the equivalent of the radar cross-section or signal strength, or perhaps some other actual size measurement which could be used to determine the target's identity? --[[User:sierran|sierran]] 12:35, 21 February 2006 (EST)

:::I think that sierran is closest: I believe it's either (Direction, RAdial, DIStance) or (Direction, RAdian, DIStance). I'm not sure of the origin of the original interpretation, but if it's not from quotable dialog, it's probably incorrect. Spherical coordinate systems require three values, but different names are used in various contexts: (radial, azimuth, polar), (radial, azimuth, zenith), (range, azimuth, elevation). In the first two sets, "radial" is the distance from the point of origin, but a radial pattern is a one that appears to originate at a point, like spokes in a wheel. A scriptwriter could easily substitute RAdial into an acronym, without realizing it is technically incorrect. Substitute DIrection for azimuth and DIStance for range, and it yields what I think is the intended derivation. Alternatively, RAdian is a unit of plane angle. Although both azimuth and elevation can be expressed in radians, perhaps a scriptwriter chose it for elevation because it created an acronym that sounded cool. --[[User:ptb|ptb]] 11:49, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:I have a WAY WAY '''WAY''' better definition for the DRADIS acronym. Get this. Get this, it's awesome. You ready? Check this out: Direction RAnge DISplacement. "Displacement" is commonly used in Naval terms to describe the amount of water mass "displaced" by a ship. Displacement could easilly be co-opted for this sort of "Space Navy" mentality to be used to define the size of ships on DRADIS. Notice that DRADIS '''does''' make a distinction between the small vessels and the capital ships. Obviously it's more than a direction/distance calculation. So what do you think? Direction RAnge DISplacement? Eh? Eh? I think it's high quality. --[[User:Trajan|Trajan]] 21:47, 26 October 2006 (CST)

:Range and Distance could refer to different measures in curved space-time or at relativistic speeds. So perhaps it locates targets in three out of four space-time dimensions, but not the three space dimensions at the same time. The display is clearly two-dimensional, with a sweeping arc to show the locus it is scanning at a given moment. It may not be able to differentiate positions within this arc. Perhaps it requires more than one DRADIS dish to accurately locate a target in three dimensions? This is equivalent to Earth radar, which can build a picture in two dimensions by scanning in one dimension. There's no reason to assume that the Colonials are not working around their own technical limitations. -- [[User:Mauve|Mauve]] 05:26, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::It's better to keep this simple, folks. An episode already shows the abbreviations that confirm the acronym's source; anything else is [[BW:FANW|fan-generated content and over-speculation]]. Don't get me wrong; both thoughts have technical merit that makes some sense. However, neither are backed up by aired content and, in fact, seem to contradict what little we know. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:21, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:I read somewhere that it was Direction and RAdial Distance. That makes far more sense than what is in the article right now. The graphic that we see in the series shows a revolving arc, which would indicate that Radial Distance is more likely, not Direction, RAnge, DIStance. By the way, the "transcript" that is cited in the footnote is merely a fan-compiled transcript. It is not an official transcript so it should not be used as the source for the acronym's meaning. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 08:34, 20 November 2006 (CST)

Reply to Spencerian: If you have a source for the un-abbreviated form given in the article, maybe that source should be in footnote #1 instead of that nonsense about "redundant with each other" (which phrase is redundant itself, of course). --[[User:username|username]] just now...

Consider real spherical geometry for just a moment and a possibility that requires far less stretching becomes apparent. If using a radial coordinate system, you need exactly three values to define a point in space relative to your position: '''d'''eclination, '''r'''ight '''a'''scension, and '''dis'''tance. This has the following advantages: (1) no terms are invented or forced to represent values not traditional to their definition, (2) it is a simple and effective system that is used in reality, and (3) is consistent with the philosophy of "natural science fiction" that the show follows. Quod erat demonstrandum... I'm rather surprised no one else has posited this.

Furthermore, please stop this silly "carom" and "karam" misspelling. The word is '''charagm''' from ''charagma,'' the Greek word for "mark," which is used in speech where a decimal would be written. You will find this consistent with dialogue. [[User:Merlin|Merlin]] 10:06, 14 April 2007 (CDT)

: Interesting, but we would need official confirmation before running with this in the article—it does make sense, however. Also, as for [[carom]], the spelling comes from the DVD subtitles for Season 1, unless you have another source of information we haven't happened upon yet. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 16:43, 14 April 2007 (CDT)
:: From experience, we know never to trust the subs ("54" vs. "Viper", "12:09" vs. "Cloud Nine", etc.), but we could [[BW:OC|ask Brad]] how it's spelled. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:08, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
::: Those instances are different than the others. Consistently, the subs have provided the spelling "carom". Of course, [[BW:OC|asking Brad would also be a wonderful idea]]. I say go for it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 19:15, 15 April 2007 (CDT)
:::: I [[BW:OC#Spelling_of_carom|asked him]], so now we wait. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 02:33, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:Consider [[CBDR]] (Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range) meaning detection of something not moving in the field of view (horiz/vert) but getting closer (aka collision course). In this context, Range is the distance away from the DRADIS scanner. So Distance and Direction must be something else. Take into consideration the two-dimensional display on the DRADIS readout, and consider whether the height in the field of view matters - or perhaps objects on all heights are shown and this requires the user to read the numbers (or icon size) to judge height. As for Direction/Range/Distance, Direction would be circular direction (eg 90-degrees, 3 o' clock or "right"), Range would be distance away from the ship, and Distance could be vertical height from the horizontal plane. Notice how all the ships are horizontal, so there is always a common up and down? Something on the same level as you would record a distance of zero, below you would be negative, above positive etc. [[User:Xenon|Xenon]] 18:50, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

Just a comment - Astronomy uses a coordinate system that uses Declination and Right Ascension to pinpoint astral bodies. If you include distance, you now have a system that you can use to determine another objects position in space *relative to you* (if I call my "up" north, then I can place everything by how many degrees "north" (or by using negative numbers how far "south") it is, how many degrees "right" (or "left") it is, and how far away from me it is)

==Radar==
Spencerian, why did you revert Wingsandsword's note about the "radar" reference in "The Hand of God"? The dialogue in question goes like this:

:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)

: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what Peter Farago said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)
::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)

:::It doesn't make sense for her to say "Raider range". Raiders have FTL and therefore have a massively larger range than Vipers. -- [[User:Mauve|Mauve]] 05:26, 16 November 2006 (CST)

: What if RADAR is one component of DRADIS? Suppose that DRADIS comprises a host of detection systems (RADAR, IR, UV, MAD, etc.) all linked into one system and accessed from one console?--Axeman

::As I have stated numerous times, in context, she could have been saying "Raider range". There's a burden of proof there, a shaodw of a doubt if you will, and she kind of slurrs it; doesn't sound quite like she's saying "Radar". I think our current thing is fine: making a note that we think she said Radar, but that she could have said "Raider". This is, of course, distinct from the horrible "Black Market" in which amongst other failures they call fumarellos "cigars". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:19, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::That wasn't an error. Cigars have never been called Fumarellos in RDM. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::::There seems to be a lot of contention over this point. Can someone find a specific reference where they were or weren't called cigars or fumarellos? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:09, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::::Actually I was just using that as an example; Peter and I are actually leaning towards the position that they were ALWAYS called "Cigars" but "tobacco" is "fumarello leaf" here.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)

==Name?==

Should the name of this article be all caps, or is there a naming convention in place that restrits all caps in an article title? [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 16:41, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:Possible, but generally it looks a bit garrish and we don't know the acronym fully. Besides, do you ''always'' write out radio as "RADIO"? It's a portmaneau, not a full acronym. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:49, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:: I agree, but throughout the article and other articles, DRADIS is capitalized. I was only suggesting it in order to make it more uniform. I'll defer to the majority though. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 16:52, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::The capitalization is because DRADIS is an acronym, like RADAR or LASER or NASA. Usage for these terms have dropped the capitalization down to where the acronym becomes a word except for NASA. DRADIS isn't there yet in my mind. On the other hand, if I see it without capitalization, I don't change it unless it looks aesthetically wrong. Acronyms should be capitalized unless there is a wiki convention that says otherwise. For wiki's sake, keeping it not capitalized (particularly as the article name) prevents weirdness. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:34, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::: To bring this subject back up, the first thing I thought of when seeing this article was that it wasnt in capitals. You are right in that people casually dont say RADAR in capitals when writing because it one of the exceptions to the rule. The word "Radar" is now officially in the English language as a standard word, theorfor losing the capitalisation in the process. Laser is also another example of an acronym adopted as an official word. Radio as far as i know was never an acronym? It seems to me that an acronym only loses its capitalisation when it becomes an official word (radar, laser, scuba etc) and when its not all letters are in capitals (ICBM, LCD, AIDS etc) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:01, 3 April 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

In the last frame before the opening credits in "Pegasus" the Dradis icon for the ''Pegasus'' is shown with two stars next to it. I assume these denote the rank of the flag officer (Admiral Cain) aboard. Is this worth including? [[User:Jagaroth|Jagaroth]] 05:08, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:Maybe. Is there a DRADIS shot of what ''Galactica'' looked like on ''Pegasus'' DRADIS? If there isn't any special marking for Adama (of Commander rank then), we'll know that DRADIS can be configured to indicate battlestars with flag officers, as Cain was. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:26, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I think the second picture on the page is the view from ''Pegasus'' to ''Galactica'' because ''Galactica'' is in mid-field on the display rather than being the source (at the bottom). I'll check later. To confirm we'd need a shot of an external DRADIS after Adama gets promoted. [[User:Jagaroth|Jagaroth]] 03:57, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I attached the pics together, the other one is Galactica from Pegasus and there is no stars next to the Big-G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 04:43, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
::DRADIS symbology for various Colonial Fleet units are different.civilian ship symbols show min 5 type of civilian ship(except adriatic symbol) military ship symbols except battlestars. Circle (shield) in circle area points (weapons)outside of circle trace(engines or wings)
Adriatick only symbol two points in circle(weapon)--[[User:mustah|mustah]]

==Rename==
Why on earth hasn't this been renamed to [[DRADIS]] so that the silly hatnote at the top can be removed? [[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]] 17:52, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
:If memory serves, the page name was used before newer versions of MediaWiki allowed full caps of article names. A redirect page of DRADIS does bring the user to the article. It's something to check with Shane and Joe B, who know more of the technicals of MediaWiki than I. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:18, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
:That's pretty much the reason... :-) Of course, it can be changed. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 23:25, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
::Done. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:40, 26 September 2007 (CDT)
::Ah so! Boy, I bet Wikipedia was a real mess back then, what with thousands of acronym articles... Heh. — <b><span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]</span></b> [[[User talk:SMcCandlish|talk]]] [[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|cont]]] <b>‹(-¿-)›</b> 05:09, 27 September 2007 (CDT)
:::It pays to be a wiki with a specific topic focus. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:00, 27 September 2007 (CDT)

== Synonyms D, Ra and Dis ==

These synonyms might be astronomical ones for
D Declination
Ra Righ Ascension
Dis Distance

(see [[w:Declination|Wikpedia: Declination]]) --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 17:00, 2 January 2008 (CST)

DRADIS

2008-01-02T22:56:36Z

Akagi: Added the episode The Captain's Hand because DRADIS is interfered there too.

[[Image:Dradisscreen.jpg|thumb|A typical DRADIS read-out]]
'''DRADIS''' is a highly sensitive detection, identification, navigation and tracking system, analogous in function to [[Wikipedia:Radar|radar]]<ref>In "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", some viewers believed that [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] said, "The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme ''radar'' range from the Cylon asteroid." The use of "radar" would be a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] as official sources confirmed that "radar" does not exist in the Re-imagined Series. Others believed that actress [[Katee Sackhoff]] said "extreme ''Raider'' range", the range of the Raiders from the Cylon base, and the word was slurred so that it sounded vaguely like "radar". The matter was put to rest when Battlestar Wiki [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive1#.22Radar.22_gaffe_in_.22The_Hand_of_God.22.3F|asked]] the writer of this episode, [[Bradley Thompson]], who confirmed that the line in the script was "...extreme ''Viper'' range...". The final line must have been looped in during post-production without his input (probably to keep from spoiling the plot). Thompson confirmed that the final line sounded like "Raider".</ref>, used aboard Colonial spacecraft.

DRADIS can be used in stationary configurations as well on ships. A group of [[Cylon Centurion]]s are able to jury-rig a DRADIS assembly from their [[Heavy Raider]] into a stationary tracking array in an attempt to eliminate any [[SAR]] missions from ''[[Galactica]]'' ([[Fragged]]).

Carbon composites are largely invisible to DRADIS scans ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).

A ''DRADIS contact'' is an object or objects detected by DRADIS. Contacts are typically identified by cross-referencing with an [[IFF]] system (in the case of ships) or an astronomical database (in the instance of planets or other celestial bodies).

The symbols used on Colonial DRADIS displays for the representation of [[battlestar (RDM)|battlestars]], [[Raptor|Raptors]], and [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] are visible in the picture to the right.
[[Image:Dradissymbol pegasus.JPG|thumb|DRADIS symbology for various Colonial Fleet units ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]])]]

[[Image:radalm_217_1080i.jpg|thumb|DRADIS warning of radiological materials ([[The Captain's Hand]])]] DRADIS is also used to report [[radiological alarm]]s.

DRADIS is likely a central component of the [[Computers|navigation computer]] on Colonial ships such as battlestars, as they do not navigate in [[sublight]] mode by visual means. ''Galactica's'' tactical and navigation data is displayed on a series of screens that form the [[DRADIS console]], suspended above the [[CIC]]'s Command and Control console.

The DRADIS can be blinded by external sources of electromagnetic radiation such as artificial radiation by [[EMP|EMP generators]] ([[Miniseries]]), EMPs from nuclear detonations ([[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]), [[w:Pulsars|pulsars]] ([[Sacrifice]]), dense [[Passage (star cluster)|star clusters]] ([[The Passage]], [[The Captain's Hand]]), or other phenomenona such as the nebula around [[New Caprica]] ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]).

== Sourcing of the term ==

The "'''D'''irection, '''RA'''nge, and '''DIS'''tance" breakdown of the acronym "DRADIS" was listed in an [http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/battlestar/season1/galactica-ms1.pdf early manuscript] (PDF) of the first half of the [[Miniseries]]. Since some major elements of this script were changed (such as Kobol being the sole home of the Colonies, and not separate worlds) in comparison to the completed teleplay, canonical use of this breakdown should be taken with some skepticism.

There is some evidence to suggest that the original breakdown is the canonical version. In "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]", [[Crashdown]] performs a DRADIS sweep of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]. The aerial survey is later presented to the [[Laura Roslin|President]]. For a brief moment, as Roslin takes the survey image out of [[Billy Keikeya]]'s hand, the DRADIS information printed on the image is visible. The letters on the image are clear and are as follows:

:Aerial Survey
:'''D.''' 41376
:'''Ra.''' 145.8
:'''Dis.''' 43.5

The letters represent numerical values. While this is not conclusive evidence, it is consistent with the original manuscript definition.

==See Also==
*[[List of terms (RDM)|List of terms in the Re-imagined Series]]

==Notes==

*The [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]] counterpart to DRADIS is simply referred to as the [[scanner]].

==References==
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Hero

2008-01-02T22:36:42Z

Akagi: Restored Serenities last changes.

: ''For the two [[Humanoid Cylon]]s that are hailed as heroes in "[[Downloaded]]", see [[Heroes of the Cylon]].''

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== Overview ==
:''A [[Bulldog|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the Cylons launched their initial attack against the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===

* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' detects three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]. Much to the surpise of the [[CIC]] crew, two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third.
* In CIC, [[Admiral Adama]] orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to ''Galactica'', after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign: [[Bulldog]].
* In the hangar bay, the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the gesture.
* Over a meal of noodles Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and escaping after killing a [[Number Three]] with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars. He mentions that the Cylons complained of an infectious illness at the time, believing this offered him the chance to escape.
* Bulldog is debriefed by the [[Laura Roslin|President]] with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a Tauron mining facility too close to the Armistice Line. Skeptical, Roslin immediately questions Adama's story following the debriefing. He replies that it is "his mess" and that he resolve it. Once she leaves, Adama kicks over a table in frustration.
* Novacek sees [[Saul Tigh]] in his quarters shortly after Adama talks to him. Tigh informs Novacek that Adama (aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'') ordered Novacek shot down to get rid of evidence of their incursion into Cylon space.
*Meanwhile, Adama makes a similar confession to his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], stating his belief that he provoked the Cylon attacks on the Colonies. By presenting humanity as warmongers, he may have left the Cylons with no choice but to strike first. Aghast at first, Lee Adama tries to console his father, blaming the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet Admiralty]], saying that he was "only one man." Adama replies, "It only takes one."
* [[Kara Thrace]] reviews their Viper's gun film from the fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their target, allowing Bulldog escape. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was sent there by the Cylons to kill the admiral.
* Tigh finds Novacek attempting to murder Adama (mixed with flashbacks of Bulldog let out of his cell) and stops him.
* Adama later presents his resignation to Roslin. Bemused, she accuses him of naivete, and points out that the Admiralty may have been trying to provoke a war with the Commander as scapegoat. Nor can he say with confidence that any one act triggered the Cylon holocaust. She then tells him that his 'penance' will be to accept a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his long years of service, a gesture badly needed for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's morale]].
* After sending Novacek off to a berthing on another ship with a uniform, Tigh (now wearing an eyepatch instead of medical gauze) and Adama sit down for a drink in the admiral's quarters to discuss [[Ellen Tigh]]'s death on [[New Caprica]].

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*In a dream, [[Three]] is trying to avoid Marines on ''[[Galactica]]''. The Marines corner her against a hatch labelled "End of Line." The Marines raise their weapons and Three tells them to shoot.
*As the shots go off, Three wakes up in bed with [[Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]]. She has apparently been having a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Six as well.
*In the Cylon control room, Caprica-Six questions Three about her bad dreams. Caprica Six asks if the dreams are about Baltar. Three indicates otherwise, but does not elaborate.
*Three gives a [[Cylon Centurion]] orders to shoot her, and then delete any information regarding the incident. The Centurion obeys and shoots her in the head. In the moments before she is downloaded, she experiences memories from New Caprica and a startling vision of [[Final five|five white-robed beings]] whose identity is obscured.
*Three awakes in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]] where a Three, Five, Six, and Eight help her recover. The downloaded Three tells her counterpart, "There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death."

== Notes ==
*Laura Roslin reviews a [[:md:Image:Dossier.png |dossier]] prepared for her by [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] on her first day aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. It includes large photos of ''Galactica'', a photograph of the CIC crew of ''[[Valkyrie]]'', a (mostly illegible) certificate bearing [[Saul Tigh]]'s name, and a cursory biography of William Adama. This biographical information has been integrated into [[William Adama]] article. Also, an analysis of Colonial dates used in the dossier can be found in the [[Colonial calendar]] article.
*Admiral William Adama names his son to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his [[:md:Image:3x8-Hero-ResignationLetter.jpg|resignation letter]].
*In Adama's flashback, the admirals are wearing their decorations on their day uniforms. This contrasts with most Colonial Fleet officers shown thus far, who only wear their decorations on their dress uniform sash.
*Admiral Corman's office is decorated with weapons and war memorabilia. Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]]'s quarters were similarly decorated. Both individuals seemed ready, almost eager, for a conflict.
*Both [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] appear in this episode, but neither has any lines.
*In Number Three's dream, the door at which she is shot by the Marines is labeled "End of Line". As well as being a metaphor for death, this is a statement repeated often by the Cylon [[Hybrid]]. "End of Line" is a also a reference to the movie [[w:Tron (film)|''Tron'']] <ref name="podcast2">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 1 | id =endofline| timestamp = 00:16:56 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref> and could also be a computer/programming reference.
*This episode shares some plot elements with the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode "[[MemoryAlpha:The Defector|The Defector]]," written by Moore. Notably, it begins with a dramatic chase delivering a dubious ally into friendly hands that is later shown to be staged. Additionally, both episodes feature plots revolving around a contested border.
*For the episode, [[Bear McCreary]] created a musical theme for Novacek, called "[[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Novacek theme|Novacek's Theme]]", which was "very much inspired by [[w:Alfred Hitchcock|Hitchcock]]'s collaborations with composer [[w:Bernard Herrmann|Bernard Herrmann]]". <ref name="bear_mccreary">{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title="Hero"|date=17 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>
*In her vision of the Opera house, Three briefly glimpses five white figures. In his Podcast for this episode, Moore implies that these correspond to the final five Cylon models.<ref name="podcast">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 3 | id =fivecylons| timestamp = 00:30:51 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref>
* Adama jokingly chides Novacek for his "bullshit attitude". The line was censored in the broadcast of the episode on the [[Sci Fi Channel]] in America, however in the release of the video on [[iTunes]], in the Canadian broadcast on the [[w:Space: The Imagination Station|SPACE channel]] and in the UK and Ireland broadcast on [[Sky One]], the line was uncensored.
* Novacek's capture was loosely inspired by the [[w:U-2 Crisis of 1960|U-2 Crisis of 1960]] in which [[w:Francis Powers|Francis Powers]] was shot down by the Soviets in his [[w:Lockheed U-2|U2 spy plane]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==
*Dialogue in this episode consistently places the events of the Stealthstar mission three years prior to the present and one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama, Felix Gaeta, Galen Tyrol, Kara Thrace and Sharon Valerii served together on ''Galactica'':
** Gaeta: "And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years." ([[Miniseries]])
** Tyrol: "Sir, on behalf of Deck Crew Five I'd like to present a token of our esteem and appreciation for the many years you've served as commanding officer of this ship." (Miniseries)
** Adama: "We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well." ([[Act of Contrition]])
** Adama: "Chief Tyrol's been under my command for over five years" ([[Litmus]])
** Adama: "She [Boomer] was a vital, living person… aboard my ship for almost two years." ([[The Farm]])
:Since it is not specified which ships Tyrol and Gaeta served with Adama on, it is theoretically possible that they followed Adama from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' as well. This scenario is highly unrealistic, however, and still conflicts with the statements that Thrace and Valerii served with Adama ''on Galactica'' for two years. [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his taking command of ''Galactica'' at '''six''' years prior to the Cylon attack (or eight years prior to the episode). While such documents are frequently unreliable and inconsistent, this fits with the above comments and with Tyrol's statement in the Miniseries that Adama commanded the battlestar for "many years". ''Battlestar Wiki'' thus chooses to consider the dialogue in "Hero" a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] and to place the flashback events at six years before the Miniseries.
*''Valkyrie'' appears to be an intermediate step between the ''Galactica'' and ''Mercury'' battlestar designs. In addition, it seems to be slightly smaller than either; this may mean that it is a "light" or "fast" battlestar type designed to support larger vessels.
*Adama and Roslin know each other well enough by now to tell when the other is lying, or is not fooled by a lie, even when others around can't. Roslin has always been the better of the two in this ability, as early as revealing Adama's initial ruse about the location of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Miniseries]]).
*At the end of the episode, [[Saul Tigh]] is trying to deal with his guilt over his wife, but he does not seem to want his job as XO back, at least not any time soon.
*Adama's feelings of guilt over his actions during ''Valkyrie's'' mission shed new light on the motivation for his speech at ''Galactica's'' decommissioning ceremony. Also, they explain his near-monomania with safeguarding and/or rescuing those under his command or protection.
*The Cylons are able to detect and destroy the [[Stealthstar]] that had only entered two kilometers into their space. This seems suspicious given the fact that they were unable to detect the [[Blackbird]], presumably a far less sophisticated design. Either the Cylons had more advanced detection equipment on the [[Armistice Line]], or they had advance knowledge of Bulldog's mission.
**It is only speculation that the Blackbird's stealth capabilities were less effective than those of the Stealthstar. The reason that the Blackbird went undetected by the Cylons is that its hull, at Helo's suggestion, was made of carbon composite. There is no way of knowing whether or not this was true of the Stealthstar.
***It is unlikely that the hand-made Blackbird is technically more advanced than the Stealthstar that is maybe build by an aircraft company.
**In addition, the Cylons near the [[Armistice Line]] would have known to look for stealth ships, as they probably suspected that the Colonial Fleet would try to gain intelligence on the Cylon military status. After the destruction of the Colonies, it is unlikely that the Cylons believed that the Colonials were still in possession of any kind of stealth fighter and would not attempt to detect one.
**Bulldog was communicating to ''Valkyrie'' before being attacked and used active DRADIS. Additionally, the Stealthstar seems to have been equipped with a transponder, as ''Valkyrie'' was able to track the Stealthstar. The Cylons may have been able to detect this radiation and fire at the source of it.
*Bulldog's story is even less believable given the fact that it took Kara Thrace several hours to gut a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] and learn how to fly it. The Raider Kara captured was damaged, but it would still have taken Bulldog some time to adapt the Raider for his own use.
**As the episode implies that Bulldog was deliberately released by the Cylons in an effort to direct his anger towards Adama, it is possible that the Cylons allowed Bulldog to gain a working knowledge of the Raider.
*Bulldog probably could have stolen a Heavy Raider, which unlike the light versions seems to have a crew compartment and perhaps piloting controls, but then the production crew couldn't have re-used the captured-Raider prop from "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" on the flight deck set.
*Kara Thrace going to Tigh with her findings is an acknowledgment of their shared semi-pariah status and the connection that was shown in "[[Collaborators]]" for the first time.
*The last two scenes of "Hero" appear to have been edited to ensure that the final scene is with Adama and Tigh. Right after the celebration scene, Adama is seen giving Bulldog a new uniform, but Adama is wearing his everyday uniform. In the final scene with Tigh, Adama is wearing his dress grays from the celebration. It appears at the very least, the two scenes were in reverse order, meaning the episode originally ended with Adama giving Bulldog his new uniform.
*During her experience between death and rebirth, Three finds herself reliving a series of memories from her various lives, including a shot of her in a theater on Caprica in "[[Final Cut]]", her final moments during "[[Downloaded]]", and her discovery of Hera on New Caprica in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". She also has a vision of another kind: the [[Opera House]] seen by Baltar during the final moments of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
**This sequence, as well as this episode as a whole, showcases a number of fundamental leitmotifs in the series that have had little to no exposure in their original form since the end of season one/beginning of season two. The music as well as the imagery is a deliberately callback to the previous appearance of the Opera House, and the associated [[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Passacaglia|musical themes]] will likely help elucidate the symbolism behind the two visions.
*Three's flashbacks after being shot by the Centurion indicate that she is the same individual who was killed on Caprica by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]" and who found Hera in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". It is of course possible that some of these recollections are the result of memory-sharing rather than direct experience.
**If she is the same Three that died on Caprica, that leaves the question how it can be that she didn't get the Opera House experience on her first death, even though she was stuck in limbo for thirty-six hours because of the massive casualties at the cafe in "[[Downloaded]]". It is plausible that this Three wanted to die because she had never experienced death before.
**It is also plausible that God is only just now trying to tell her something. The Opera House may act as a cue, a signal sent from God that facilitates reflection on one's own destiny at a pivotal point in their existence, when it is no longer acceptable to ignore their role in God's plan out of arrogance or inconvenience (Baltar, "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"), or because it seems a contradiction of the identity they had formed by refusing to question their fate (Three, from the final days of the occupation through "Hero"). In both cases, the Opera House is revealed to a soul straddling the line between life and death, both in a physical and spiritual sense, and it is perhaps this balance that can uniquely invoke the presence of God, and guide the chosen instruments towards their intended destiny.
**It is interesting to note the central role Hera plays in both of the visions that bring characters to the Opera House.
*There is at least [[Stoffa|one other doctor]] of some kind in the fleet, because Cottle instructs Bulldog to report to him.
**This doctor is probably a psychotherapist that specializes in some sort of mental trauma issues. Considering that Bulldog was in captivity for such a long time, and his breakdown while attacking Adama, at the very least, Bulldog will need a counselor to help him work through all of the emotional and mental scars that he's endured. Cottle had already confirmed that Bulldog was generally well cared for, physically, by the Cylons.
*Based on the Raider's apparently staged attack, the Cylons appear to know the current location of the Fleet.

== Questions ==
*Did Bulldog know of or see other human prisoners during his three years of captivity?
*What class of battlestar does ''[[Valkyrie]]'' belong to?
*Why would a "Stealth Ship" in enemy territory break radio silence and use active [[DRADIS]]?
*How was ''Valkyrie'' able to track, target and engage a stealth ship?
*Was ''Valkyrie's'' mission the only one the admiralty undertook or were there others?
*Is [[Laura Roslin]] right in speculating that the admiralty might have sent ''Valkyrie'' in order to provoke a war?
*What was the "unknown" craft that jumped near Stealthstar, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?
*Who are the five white-robed figures [[Three]] sees in her vision before downloading? ([[Final_Five#Four_Revealed|Answer]])
*Does Bulldog have information regarding the five remaining humanoid Cylon models of which nothing is known?
*How did Baltar's status change from torture victim in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" to an apparent sexual relationship with [[Caprica Six]] and [[Number Three]]?
*Was Adama's whole command staff transferred from the ''Valkyrie ''to ''Galactica'' after the failure of the recon mission?
*Why does Number Three go through all the trouble to program the Centurion to erase its memory once it shot her? Is she afraid of being [[boxing|boxed]] by the other Cylons for reasons of insanity, or because it would do some sort of damage on the Centurion once its processed the kill? ([[Rapture|Answer]])
*How does Bulldog find the Fleet?

== Official Statements ==
*A video blog gives an insight to this episode during filming. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref>
*[[Bear McCreary]] discusses writing "Noavcek's Theme" on his web blog:
*: In general, I only write thematic material for characters who matter in the grand scheme of the series, in hopes that the character will return at a later point in the story. In rare cases I make an exception in order to give a guest star a particularly resonant musical voice. For example, [[Bill Duke]]'s [[Phelan]] from [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]]'s [[Black Market]] required his own theme, since all the events of the episode led up to his eventual stand-off with [[Lee Adama|Lee]].
*:
*:Hero was obviously another such case. Novacek's mysterious past drives nearly every scene in the entire show, and it was clear he required his own theme as well.<ref name="bear_mccreary"/>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Speaking to another Number Three after downloading:''
:'''Number Three''': There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.

*''Bulldog calls on Saul Tigh at Saul's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': So ... drink?
:'''Bulldog''': You have no idea!
:'''Tigh''' (scowling, unseen): Yes, I do.

*''Bulldog explains to Adama how he got off the Cylon baseship:''
:'''Bulldog''': Well sir, it's like this. The enemy had me locked in a cell for three years. The accommodations were lousy, the service was slow. And, after a while, I felt the institution had nothing left to offer me, so I left.

*''Colonel Tigh speaks to Bulldog in Adama's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': Tell you a dirty little secret: The toughest part of getting played is losing your dignity. Feeling like you are not worth the oxygen you are sucking down. You get used to it. You start to believe it. You start to love it. It's like a bottle that never runs dry. You can keep reaching for it over and over and over again.

*''Colonel Tigh calls on the Admiral at the end of the episode:
:'''Tigh''': I hear you got a medal.
:'''Adama''': Yeah. They're handing them out for anything these days- 'good behaviour', 'attendance'. 'Plays well with others.'

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
* [[Carl Lumbly]] as Lt. [[Daniel Novacek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Barry Kennedy]] as Admiral [[Corman]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

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: ''For the two [[Humanoid Cylon]]s that are hailed as heroes in "[[Downloaded]]", see [[Heroes of the Cylon]].''

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== Overview ==
:''A [[Bulldog|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the Cylons launched their initial attack against the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===

* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' detects three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]. Much to the surpise of the [[CIC]] crew, two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third.
* In CIC, [[Admiral Adama]] orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to ''Galactica'', after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign: [[Bulldog]].
* In the hangar bay, the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the gesture.
* Over a meal of noodles Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and escaping after killing a [[Number Three]] with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars. He mentions that the Cylons complained of an infectious illness at the time, believing this offered him the chance to escape.
* Bulldog is debriefed by the [[Laura Roslin|President]] with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a Tauron mining facility too close to the Armistice Line. Skeptical, Roslin immediately questions Adama's story following the debriefing. He replies that it is "his mess" and that he resolve it. Once she leaves, Adama kicks over a table in frustration.
* Novacek sees [[Saul Tigh]] in his quarters shortly after Adama talks to him. Tigh informs Novacek that Adama (aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'') ordered Novacek shot down to get rid of evidence of their incursion into Cylon space.
*Meanwhile, Adama makes a similar confession to his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], stating his belief that he provoked the Cylon attacks on the Colonies. By presenting humanity as warmongers, he may have left the Cylons with no choice but to strike first. Aghast at first, Lee Adama tries to console his father, blaming the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet Admiralty]], saying that he was "only one man." Adama replies, "It only takes one."
* [[Kara Thrace]] reviews their Viper's gun film from the fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their target, allowing Bulldog escape. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was sent there by the Cylons to kill the admiral.
* Tigh finds Novacek attempting to murder Adama (mixed with flashbacks of Bulldog let out of his cell) and stops him.
* Adama later presents his resignation to Roslin. Bemused, she accuses him of naivete, and points out that the Admiralty may have been trying to provoke a war with the Commander as scapegoat. Nor can he say with confidence that any one act triggered the Cylon holocaust. She then tells him that his 'penance' will be to accept a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his long years of service, a gesture badly needed for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's morale]].
* After sending Novacek off to a berthing on another ship with a uniform, Tigh (now wearing an eyepatch instead of medical gauze) and Adama sit down for a drink in the admiral's quarters to discuss [[Ellen Tigh]]'s death on [[New Caprica]].

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*In a dream, [[Three]] is trying to avoid Marines on ''[[Galactica]]''. The Marines corner her against a hatch labelled "End of Line." The Marines raise their weapons and Three tells them to shoot.
*As the shots go off, Three wakes up in bed with [[Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]]. She has apparently been having a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Six as well.
*In the Cylon control room, Caprica-Six questions Three about her bad dreams. Caprica Six asks if the dreams are about Baltar. Three indicates otherwise, but does not elaborate.
*Three gives a [[Cylon Centurion]] orders to shoot her, and then delete any information regarding the incident. The Centurion obeys and shoots her in the head. In the moments before she is downloaded, she experiences memories from New Caprica and a startling vision of [[Final five|five white-robed beings]] whose identity is obscured.
*Three awakes in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]] where a Three, Five, Six, and Eight help her recover. The downloaded Three tells her counterpart, "There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death."

== Notes ==
*Laura Roslin reviews a [[:md:Image:Dossier.png |dossier]] prepared for her by [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] on her first day aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. It includes large photos of ''Galactica'', a photograph of the CIC crew of ''[[Valkyrie]]'', a (mostly illegible) certificate bearing [[Saul Tigh]]'s name, and a cursory biography of William Adama. This biographical information has been integrated into [[William Adama]] article. Also, an analysis of Colonial dates used in the dossier can be found in the [[Colonial calendar]] article.
*Admiral William Adama names his son to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his [[:md:Image:3x8-Hero-ResignationLetter.jpg|resignation letter]].
*In Adama's flashback, the admirals are wearing their decorations on their day uniforms. This contrasts with most Colonial Fleet officers shown thus far, who only wear their decorations on their dress uniform sash.
*Admiral Corman's office is decorated with weapons and war memorabilia. Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]]'s quarters were similarly decorated. Both individuals seemed ready, almost eager, for a conflict.
*Both [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] appear in this episode, but neither has any lines.
*In Number Three's dream, the door at which she is shot by the Marines is labeled "End of Line". As well as being a metaphor for death, this is a statement repeated often by the Cylon [[Hybrid]]. "End of Line" is a also a reference to the movie [[w:Tron (film)|''Tron'']] <ref name="podcast2">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 1 | id =endofline| timestamp = 00:16:56 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref> and could also be a computer/programming reference.
*This episode shares some plot elements with the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode "[[MemoryAlpha:The Defector|The Defector]]," written by Moore. Notably, it begins with a dramatic chase delivering a dubious ally into friendly hands that is later shown to be staged. Additionally, both episodes feature plots revolving around a contested border.
*For the episode, [[Bear McCreary]] created a musical theme for Novacek, called "[[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Novacek theme|Novacek's Theme]]", which was "very much inspired by [[w:Alfred Hitchcock|Hitchcock]]'s collaborations with composer [[w:Bernard Herrmann|Bernard Herrmann]]". <ref name="bear_mccreary">{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title="Hero"|date=17 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>
*In her vision of the Opera house, Three briefly glimpses five white figures. In his Podcast for this episode, Moore implies that these correspond to the final five Cylon models.<ref name="podcast">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 3 | id =fivecylons| timestamp = 00:30:51 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref>
* Adama jokingly chides Novacek for his "bullshit attitude". The line was censored in the broadcast of the episode on the [[Sci Fi Channel]] in America, however in the release of the video on [[iTunes]], in the Canadian broadcast on the [[w:Space: The Imagination Station|SPACE channel]] and in the UK and Ireland broadcast on [[Sky One]], the line was uncensored.
* Novacek's capture was loosely inspired by the [[w:U-2 Crisis of 1960|U-2 Crisis of 1960]] in which [[w:Francis Powers|Francis Powers]] was shot down by the Soviets in his [[w:Lockheed U-2|U2 spy plane]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==
*Dialogue in this episode consistently places the events of the Stealthstar mission three years prior to the present and one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama, Felix Gaeta, Galen Tyrol, Kara Thrace and Sharon Valerii served together on ''Galactica'':
** Gaeta: "And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years." ([[Miniseries]])
** Tyrol: "Sir, on behalf of Deck Crew Five I'd like to present a token of our esteem and appreciation for the many years you've served as commanding officer of this ship." (Miniseries)
** Adama: "We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well." ([[Act of Contrition]])
** Adama: "Chief Tyrol's been under my command for over five years" ([[Litmus]])
** Adama: "She [Boomer] was a vital, living person… aboard my ship for almost two years." ([[The Farm]])
:Since it is not specified which ships Tyrol and Gaeta served with Adama on, it is theoretically possible that they followed Adama from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' as well. This scenario is highly unrealistic, however, and still conflicts with the statements that Thrace and Valerii served with Adama ''on Galactica'' for two years. [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his taking command of ''Galactica'' at '''six''' years prior to the Cylon attack (or eight years prior to the episode). While such documents are frequently unreliable and inconsistent, this fits with the above comments and with Tyrol's statement in the Miniseries that Adama commanded the battlestar for "many years". ''Battlestar Wiki'' thus chooses to consider the dialogue in "Hero" a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] and to place the flashback events at six years before the Miniseries.
*''Valkyrie'' appears to be an intermediate step between the ''Galactica'' and ''Mercury'' battlestar designs. In addition, it seems to be slightly smaller than either; this may mean that it is a "light" or "fast" battlestar type designed to support larger vessels.
*Adama and Roslin know each other well enough by now to tell when the other is lying, or is not fooled by a lie, even when others around can't. Roslin has always been the better of the two in this ability, as early as revealing Adama's initial ruse about the location of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Miniseries]]).
*At the end of the episode, [[Saul Tigh]] is trying to deal with his guilt over his wife, but he does not seem to want his job as XO back, at least not any time soon.
*Adama's feelings of guilt over his actions during ''Valkyrie's'' mission shed new light on the motivation for his speech at ''Galactica's'' decommissioning ceremony. Also, they explain his near-monomania with safeguarding and/or rescuing those under his command or protection.
*The Cylons are able to detect and destroy the [[Stealthstar]] that had only entered two kilometers into their space. This seems suspicious given the fact that they were unable to detect the [[Blackbird]], presumably a far less sophisticated design. Either the Cylons had more advanced detection equipment on the [[Armistice Line]], or they had advance knowledge of Bulldog's mission.
**It is only speculation that the Blackbird's stealth capabilities were less effective than those of the Stealthstar. The reason that the Blackbird went undetected by the Cylons is that its hull, at Helo's suggestion, was made of carbon composite. There is no way of knowing whether or not this was true of the Stealthstar.
***It is unlikely that the hand-made Blackbird is technically more advanced than the Stealthstar that is maybe build by an aircraft company.
**In addition, the Cylons near the [[Armistice Line]] would have known to look for stealth ships, as they probably suspected that the Colonial Fleet would try to gain intelligence on the Cylon military status. After the destruction of the Colonies, it is unlikely that the Cylons believed that the Colonials were still in possession of any kind of stealth fighter and would not attempt to detect one.
**Bulldog was communicating to ''Valkyrie'' before being attacked and used active DRADIS. Additionally, the Stealthstar seems to be equipped with a transponder, as ''Valkyrie'' is able to track the Stealthstar. The Cylons may have been able to detect this radiation and fire at the source of it.
*Bulldog's story is even less believable given the fact that it took Kara Thrace several hours to gut a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] and learn how to fly it. The Raider Kara captured was damaged, but it would still have taken Bulldog some time to adapt the Raider for his own use.
**As the episode implies that Bulldog was deliberately released by the Cylons in an effort to direct his anger towards Adama, it is possible that the Cylons allowed Bulldog to gain a working knowledge of the Raider.
*Bulldog probably could have stolen a Heavy Raider, which unlike the light versions seems to have a crew compartment and perhaps piloting controls, but then the production crew couldn't have re-used the captured-Raider prop from "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" on the flight deck set.
*Kara Thrace going to Tigh with her findings is an acknowledgment of their shared semi-pariah status and the connection that was shown in "[[Collaborators]]" for the first time.
*The last two scenes of "Hero" appear to have been edited to ensure that the final scene is with Adama and Tigh. Right after the celebration scene, Adama is seen giving Bulldog a new uniform, but Adama is wearing his everyday uniform. In the final scene with Tigh, Adama is wearing his dress grays from the celebration. It appears at the very least, the two scenes were in reverse order, meaning the episode originally ended with Adama giving Bulldog his new uniform.
*During her experience between death and rebirth, Three finds herself reliving a series of memories from her various lives, including a shot of her in a theater on Caprica in "[[Final Cut]]", her final moments during "[[Downloaded]]", and her discovery of Hera on New Caprica in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". She also has a vision of another kind: the [[Opera House]] seen by Baltar during the final moments of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
**This sequence, as well as this episode as a whole, showcases a number of fundamental leitmotifs in the series that have had little to no exposure in their original form since the end of season one/beginning of season two. The music as well as the imagery is a deliberately callback to the previous appearance of the Opera House, and the associated [[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Passacaglia|musical themes]] will likely help elucidate the symbolism behind the two visions.
*Three's flashbacks after being shot by the Centurion indicate that she is the same individual who was killed on Caprica by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]" and who found Hera in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". It is of course possible that some of these recollections are the result of memory-sharing rather than direct experience.
**If she is the same Three that died on Caprica, that leaves the question how it can be that she didn't get the Opera House experience on her first death, even though she was stuck in limbo for thirty-six hours because of the massive casualties at the cafe in "[[Downloaded]]". It is plausible that this Three wanted to die because she had never experienced death before.
**It is also plausible that God is only just now trying to tell her something. The Opera House may act as a cue, a signal sent from God that facilitates reflection on one's own destiny at a pivotal point in their existence, when it is no longer acceptable to ignore their role in God's plan out of arrogance or inconvenience (Baltar, "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"), or because it seems a contradiction of the identity they had formed by refusing to question their fate (Three, from the final days of the occupation through "Hero"). In both cases, the Opera House is revealed to a soul straddling the line between life and death, both in a physical and spiritual sense, and it is perhaps this balance that can uniquely invoke the presence of God, and guide the chosen instruments towards their intended destiny.
**It is interesting to note the central role Hera plays in both of the visions that bring characters to the Opera House.
*There is at least [[Stoffa|one other doctor]] of some kind in the fleet, because Cottle instructs Bulldog to report to him.
**This doctor is probably a psychotherapist that specializes in some sort of mental trauma issues. Considering that Bulldog was in captivity for such a long time, and his breakdown while attacking Adama, at the very least, Bulldog will need a counselor to help him work through all of the emotional and mental scars that he's endured. Cottle had already confirmed that Bulldog was generally well cared for, physically, by the Cylons.
*Based on the Raider's apparently staged attack, the Cylons appear to know the current location of the Fleet.

== Questions ==
*Did Bulldog know of or see other human prisoners during his three years of captivity?
*What class of battlestar does ''[[Valkyrie]]'' belong to?
*Why would a "Stealth Ship" in enemy territory break radio silence and use active [[DRADIS]]?
*How was ''Valkyrie'' able to track, target and engage a stealth ship?
*Was ''Valkyrie's'' mission the only one the admiralty undertook or were there others?
*Is [[Laura Roslin]] right in speculating that the admiralty might have sent ''Valkyrie'' in order to provoke a war?
*What was the "unknown" craft that jumped near Stealthstar, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?
*Who are the five white-robed figures [[Three]] sees in her vision before downloading? ([[Final_Five#Four_Revealed|Answer]])
*Does Bulldog have information regarding the five remaining humanoid Cylon models of which nothing is known?
*How did Baltar's status change from torture victim in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" to an apparent sexual relationship with [[Caprica Six]] and [[Number Three]]?
*Was Adama's whole command staff transferred from the ''Valkyrie ''to ''Galactica'' after the failure of the recon mission?
*Why does Number Three go through all the trouble to program the Centurion to erase its memory once it shot her? Is she afraid of being [[boxing|boxed]] by the other Cylons for reasons of insanity, or because it would do some sort of damage on the Centurion once its processed the kill? ([[Rapture|Answer]])
*How does Bulldog find the Fleet?

== Official Statements ==
*A video blog gives an insight to this episode during filming. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref>
*[[Bear McCreary]] discusses writing "Noavcek's Theme" on his web blog:
*: In general, I only write thematic material for characters who matter in the grand scheme of the series, in hopes that the character will return at a later point in the story. In rare cases I make an exception in order to give a guest star a particularly resonant musical voice. For example, [[Bill Duke]]'s [[Phelan]] from [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]]'s [[Black Market]] required his own theme, since all the events of the episode led up to his eventual stand-off with [[Lee Adama|Lee]].
*:
*:Hero was obviously another such case. Novacek's mysterious past drives nearly every scene in the entire show, and it was clear he required his own theme as well.<ref name="bear_mccreary"/>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Speaking to another Number Three after downloading:''
:'''Number Three''': There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.

*''Bulldog calls on Saul Tigh at Saul's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': So ... drink?
:'''Bulldog''': You have no idea!
:'''Tigh''' (scowling, unseen): Yes, I do.

*''Bulldog explains to Adama how he got off the Cylon baseship:''
:'''Bulldog''': Well sir, it's like this. The enemy had me locked in a cell for three years. The accommodations were lousy, the service was slow. And, after a while, I felt the institution had nothing left to offer me, so I left.

*''Colonel Tigh speaks to Bulldog in Adama's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': Tell you a dirty little secret: The toughest part of getting played is losing your dignity. Feeling like you are not worth the oxygen you are sucking down. You get used to it. You start to believe it. You start to love it. It's like a bottle that never runs dry. You can keep reaching for it over and over and over again.

*''Colonel Tigh calls on the Admiral at the end of the episode:
:'''Tigh''': I hear you got a medal.
:'''Adama''': Yeah. They're handing them out for anything these days- 'good behaviour', 'attendance'. 'Plays well with others.'

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
* [[Carl Lumbly]] as Lt. [[Daniel Novacek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Barry Kennedy]] as Admiral [[Corman]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

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: ''For the two [[Humanoid Cylon]]s that are hailed as heroes in "[[Downloaded]]", see [[Heroes of the Cylon]].''

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== Overview ==
:''A [[Bulldog|figure]] from [[William Adama|Adama]]'s past returns to haunt him. His return raises questions about why the Cylons launched their initial attack against the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].''

== Summary ==

=== On ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ===

* ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' detects three [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]]. Much to the surpise of the [[CIC]] crew, two Raiders are pursuing a third Raider, damaged by Cylon gunfire. [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]] are dispatched. After destroying the pursuing Raiders, they go after the third.
* In CIC, [[Admiral Adama]] orders Kat and Starbuck to escort the Raider to ''Galactica'', after hearing, from the Raider, a familiar human voice and callsign: [[Bulldog]].
* In the hangar bay, the party are surprised that a human has exited the Raider. A visibly weak Daniel Novacek salutes Adama; Adama returns the gesture.
* Over a meal of noodles Adama asks Novacek how he escaped. He relates a story of plague on the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] and escaping after killing a [[Number Three]] with a blow to the nose delivered through the cell bars. He mentions that the Cylons complained of an infectious illness at the time, believing this offered him the chance to escape.
* Bulldog is debriefed by the [[Laura Roslin|President]] with Adama present, where they tell a (decidedly shaky) story of a Tauron mining facility too close to the Armistice Line. Skeptical, Roslin immediately questions Adama's story following the debriefing. He replies that it is "his mess" and that he resolve it. Once she leaves, Adama kicks over a table in frustration.
* Novacek sees [[Saul Tigh]] in his quarters shortly after Adama talks to him. Tigh informs Novacek that Adama (aboard the battlestar ''[[Valkyrie]]'') ordered Novacek shot down to get rid of evidence of their incursion into Cylon space.
*Meanwhile, Adama makes a similar confession to his son, [[Lee Adama|Lee]], stating his belief that he provoked the Cylon attacks on the Colonies. By presenting humanity as warmongers, he may have left the Cylons with no choice but to strike first. Aghast at first, Lee Adama tries to console his father, blaming the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Fleet Admiralty]], saying that he was "only one man." Adama replies, "It only takes one."
* [[Kara Thrace]] reviews their Viper's gun film from the fight with the Cylon Raiders and realizes that the Cylons were deliberately missing their target, allowing Bulldog escape. She goes to Saul Tigh with this information, who deduces that Bulldog was sent there by the Cylons to kill the admiral.
* Tigh finds Novacek attempting to murder Adama (mixed with flashbacks of Bulldog let out of his cell) and stops him.
* Adama later presents his resignation to Roslin. Bemused, she accuses him of naivete, and points out that the Admiralty may have been trying to provoke a war with the Commander as scapegoat. Nor can he say with confidence that any one act triggered the Cylon holocaust. She then tells him that his 'penance' will be to accept a [[Medal of Distinction]] for his long years of service, a gesture badly needed for the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet's morale]].
* After sending Novacek off to a berthing on another ship with a uniform, Tigh (now wearing an eyepatch instead of medical gauze) and Adama sit down for a drink in the admiral's quarters to discuss [[Ellen Tigh]]'s death on [[New Caprica]].

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*In a dream, [[Three]] is trying to avoid Marines on ''[[Galactica]]''. The Marines corner her against a hatch labelled "End of Line." The Marines raise their weapons and Three tells them to shoot.
*As the shots go off, Three wakes up in bed with [[Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]]. She has apparently been having a sexual relationship with Baltar and possibly Six as well.
*In the Cylon control room, Caprica-Six questions Three about her bad dreams. Caprica Six asks if the dreams are about Baltar. Three indicates otherwise, but does not elaborate.
*Three gives a [[Cylon Centurion]] orders to shoot her, and then delete any information regarding the incident. The Centurion obeys and shoots her in the head. In the moments before she is downloaded, she experiences memories from New Caprica and a startling vision of [[Final five|five white-robed beings]] whose identity is obscured.
*Three awakes in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]] where a Three, Five, Six, and Eight help her recover. The downloaded Three tells her counterpart, "There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death."

== Notes ==
*Laura Roslin reviews a [[:md:Image:Dossier.png |dossier]] prepared for her by [[Billy Keikeya|Billy]] on her first day aboard ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. It includes large photos of ''Galactica'', a photograph of the CIC crew of ''[[Valkyrie]]'', a (mostly illegible) certificate bearing [[Saul Tigh]]'s name, and a cursory biography of William Adama. This biographical information has been integrated into [[William Adama]] article. Also, an analysis of Colonial dates used in the dossier can be found in the [[Colonial calendar]] article.
*Admiral William Adama names his son to succeed him as commander of ''Galactica'' in his [[:md:Image:3x8-Hero-ResignationLetter.jpg|resignation letter]].
*In Adama's flashback, the admirals are wearing their decorations on their day uniforms. This contrasts with most Colonial Fleet officers shown thus far, who only wear their decorations on their dress uniform sash.
*Admiral Corman's office is decorated with weapons and war memorabilia. Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]]'s quarters were similarly decorated. Both individuals seemed ready, almost eager, for a conflict.
*Both [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] appear in this episode, but neither has any lines.
*In Number Three's dream, the door at which she is shot by the Marines is labeled "End of Line". As well as being a metaphor for death, this is a statement repeated often by the Cylon [[Hybrid]]. "End of Line" is a also a reference to the movie [[w:Tron (film)|''Tron'']] <ref name="podcast2">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 1 | id =endofline| timestamp = 00:16:56 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref> and could also be a computer/programming reference.
*This episode shares some plot elements with the ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'' episode "[[MemoryAlpha:The Defector|The Defector]]," written by Moore. Notably, it begins with a dramatic chase delivering a dubious ally into friendly hands that is later shown to be staged. Additionally, both episodes feature plots revolving around a contested border.
*For the episode, [[Bear McCreary]] created a musical theme for Novacek, called "[[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Novacek theme|Novacek's Theme]]", which was "very much inspired by [[w:Alfred Hitchcock|Hitchcock]]'s collaborations with composer [[w:Bernard Herrmann|Bernard Herrmann]]". <ref name="bear_mccreary">{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title="Hero"|date=17 November 2006|accessdate=25 November 2006|last=McCreary|first=Bear|format=blog|language=English}}</ref>
*In her vision of the Opera house, Three briefly glimpses five white figures. In his Podcast for this episode, Moore implies that these correspond to the final five Cylon models.<ref name="podcast">{{cite rdm podcast| episode = Hero| act = 3 | id =fivecylons| timestamp = 00:30:51 | totalrunning = 00:47:05 }}.</ref>
* Adama jokingly chides Novacek for his "bullshit attitude". The line was censored in the broadcast of the episode on the [[Sci Fi Channel]] in America, however in the release of the video on [[iTunes]], in the Canadian broadcast on the [[w:Space: The Imagination Station|SPACE channel]] and in the UK and Ireland broadcast on [[Sky One]], the line was uncensored.
* Novacek's capture was loosely inspired by the [[w:U-2 Crisis of 1960|U-2 Crisis of 1960]] in which [[w:Francis Powers|Francis Powers]] was shot down by the Soviets in his [[w:Lockheed U-2|U2 spy plane]] ([[Battlestar Galactica: The Official Companion Season Three]]).

== Analysis ==
*Dialogue in this episode consistently places the events of the Stealthstar mission three years prior to the present and one year prior to the [[Cylon attack]]. However, this contradicts previously established dates about the time Adama, Felix Gaeta, Galen Tyrol, Kara Thrace and Sharon Valerii served together on ''Galactica'':
** Gaeta: "And may I also take this opportunity to say it's been both a pleasure and an honor to serve under you these past three years." ([[Miniseries]])
** Tyrol: "Sir, on behalf of Deck Crew Five I'd like to present a token of our esteem and appreciation for the many years you've served as commanding officer of this ship." (Miniseries)
** Adama: "We [Thrace and I] talked about a lot of things. We've been aboard this ship for over two years, we know each other very well." ([[Act of Contrition]])
** Adama: "Chief Tyrol's been under my command for over five years" ([[Litmus]])
** Adama: "She [Boomer] was a vital, living person… aboard my ship for almost two years." ([[The Farm]])
:Since it is not specified which ships Tyrol and Gaeta served with Adama on, it is theoretically possible that they followed Adama from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' as well. This scenario is highly unrealistic, however, and still conflicts with the statements that Thrace and Valerii served with Adama ''on Galactica'' for two years. [[Sources:Adama's Dossier|Adama's dossier]] places his taking command of ''Galactica'' at '''six''' years prior to the Cylon attack (or eight years prior to the episode). While such documents are frequently unreliable and inconsistent, this fits with the above comments and with Tyrol's statement in the Miniseries that Adama commanded the battlestar for "many years". ''Battlestar Wiki'' thus chooses to consider the dialogue in "Hero" a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]] and to place the flashback events at six years before the Miniseries.
*''Valkyrie'' appears to be an intermediate step between the ''Galactica'' and ''Mercury'' battlestar designs. In addition, it seems to be slightly smaller than either; this may mean that it is a "light" or "fast" battlestar type designed to support larger vessels.
*Adama and Roslin know each other well enough by now to tell when the other is lying, or is not fooled by a lie, even when others around can't. Roslin has always been the better of the two in this ability, as early as revealing Adama's initial ruse about the location of [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] ([[Miniseries]]).
*At the end of the episode, [[Saul Tigh]] is trying to deal with his guilt over his wife, but he does not seem to want his job as XO back, at least not any time soon.
*Adama's feelings of guilt over his actions during ''Valkyrie's'' mission shed new light on the motivation for his speech at ''Galactica's'' decommissioning ceremony. Also, they explain his near-monomania with safeguarding and/or rescuing those under his command or protection.
**However, his guilt is likely misplaced, as the Cylons had agents in place on the Twelve Colonies prior to Bulldog's mission, and were already laying the groundwork for a massive assault.
*The Cylons are able to detect and destroy the [[Stealthstar]] that had only entered two kilometers into their space. This seems suspicious given the fact that they were unable to detect the [[Blackbird]], presumably a far less sophisticated design. Either the Cylons had more advanced detection equipment on the [[Armistice Line]], or they had advance knowledge of Bulldog's mission.
**It is only speculation that the Blackbird's stealth capabilities were less effective than those of the Stealthstar. The reason that the Blackbird went undetected by the Cylons is that its hull, at Helo's suggestion, was made of carbon composite. There is no way of knowing whether or not this was true of the Stealthstar.
**In addition, the Cylons near the [[Armistice Line]] would have known to look for stealth ships, as they probably suspected that the Colonial Fleet would try to gain intelligence on the Cylon military status. After the destruction of the Colonies, it is unlikely that the Cylons believed that the Colonials were still in possession of any kind of stealth fighter and would not attempt to detect one.
**Bulldog was communicating to ''Valkyrie'' before being attacked, used active DRADIS and there seems to be some kind of transponder, because the ''Valkyrie'' is able to detect the Stealthstar. The Cylons may have been able to detect this radiation and fire at the source of it.
*Bulldog's story is even less believable given the fact that it took Kara Thrace several hours to gut a [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]] and learn how to fly it. The Raider Kara captured was damaged, but it would still have taken Bulldog some time to adapt the Raider for his own use.
**As the episode implies that Bulldog was deliberately released by the Cylons in an effort to direct his anger towards Adama, it is possible that the Cylons allowed Bulldog to gain a working knowledge of the Raider.
*Bulldog probably could have stolen a Heavy Raider, which unlike the light versions seems to have a crew compartment and perhaps piloting controls, but then the production crew couldn't have re-used the captured-Raider prop from "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]" on the flight deck set.
*Kara Thrace going to Tigh with her findings is an acknowledgment of their shared semi-pariah status and the connection that was shown in "[[Collaborators]]" for the first time.
*The last two scenes of "Hero" appear to have been edited to ensure that the final scene is with Adama and Tigh. Right after the celebration scene, Adama is seen giving Bulldog a new uniform, but Adama is wearing his everyday uniform. In the final scene with Tigh, Adama is wearing his dress grays from the celebration. It appears at the very least, the two scenes were in reverse order, meaning the episode originally ended with Adama giving Bulldog his new uniform.
*During her experience between death and rebirth, Three finds herself reliving a series of memories from her various lives, including a shot of her in a theater on Caprica in "[[Final Cut]]", her final moments during "[[Downloaded]]", and her discovery of Hera on New Caprica in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". She also has a vision of another kind: the [[Opera House]] seen by Baltar during the final moments of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
**This sequence, as well as this episode as a whole, showcases a number of fundamental leitmotifs in the series that have had little to no exposure in their original form since the end of season one/beginning of season two. The music as well as the imagery is a deliberately callback to the previous appearance of the Opera House, and the associated [[Music of Battlestar Galactica (RDM)#Passacaglia|musical themes]] will likely help elucidate the symbolism behind the two visions.
*Three's flashbacks after being shot by the Centurion indicate that she is the same individual who was killed on Caprica by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]" and who found Hera in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". It is of course possible that some of these recollections are the result of memory-sharing rather than direct experience.
**If she is the same Three that died on Caprica, that leaves the question how it can be that she didn't get the Opera House experience on her first death, even though she was stuck in limbo for thirty-six hours because of the massive casualties at the cafe in "[[Downloaded]]". It is plausible that this Three wanted to die because she had never experienced death before.
**It is also plausible that God is only just now trying to tell her something. The Opera House may act as a cue, a signal sent from God that facilitates reflection on one's own destiny at a pivotal point in their existence, when it is no longer acceptable to ignore their role in God's plan out of arrogance or inconvenience (Baltar, "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]"), or because it seems a contradiction of the identity they had formed by refusing to question their fate (Three, from the final days of the occupation through "Hero"). In both cases, the Opera House is revealed to a soul straddling the line between life and death, both in a physical and spiritual sense, and it is perhaps this balance that can uniquely invoke the presence of God, and guide the chosen instruments towards their intended destiny.
**It is interesting to note the central role Hera plays in both of the visions that bring characters to the Opera House.
*There is at least [[Stoffa|one other doctor]] of some kind in the fleet, because Cottle instructs Bulldog to report to him.
**This doctor is probably a psychotherapist that specializes in some sort of mental trauma issues. Considering that Bulldog was in captivity for such a long time, and his breakdown while attacking Adama, at the very least, Bulldog will need a counselor to help him work through all of the emotional and mental scars that he's endured. Cottle had already confirmed that Bulldog was generally well cared for, physically, by the Cylons.
*Based on the Raider's apparently staged attack, the Cylons appear to know the current location of the Fleet.

== Questions ==
*Did Bulldog know of or see other human prisoners during his three years of captivity?
*What class of battlestar does ''[[Valkyrie]]'' belong to?
*Why would a "Stealth Ship" in enemy territory break radio silence and use active [[DRADIS]]?
*How was ''Valkyrie'' able to track, target and engage a stealth ship?
*Was ''Valkyrie's'' mission the only one the admiralty undertook or were there others?
*Is [[Laura Roslin]] right in speculating that the admiralty might have sent ''Valkyrie'' in order to provoke a war?
*What was the "unknown" craft that jumped near Stealthstar, disabled it, and then jumped away? Whose was it? Where did it come from?
*Who are the five white-robed figures [[Three]] sees in her vision before downloading? ([[Final_Five#Four_Revealed|Answer]])
*Does Bulldog have information regarding the five remaining humanoid Cylon models of which nothing is known?
*How did Baltar's status change from torture victim in "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" to an apparent sexual relationship with [[Caprica Six]] and [[Number Three]]?
*Was Adama's whole command staff transferred from the ''Valkyrie ''to ''Galactica'' after the failure of the recon mission?
*Why does Number Three go through all the trouble to program the Centurion to erase its memory once it shot her? Is she afraid of being [[boxing|boxed]] by the other Cylons for reasons of insanity, or because it would do some sort of damage on the Centurion once its processed the kill? ([[Rapture|Answer]])
*How does Bulldog find the Fleet?

== Official Statements ==
*A video blog gives an insight to this episode during filming. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=videoBlog&vid=34824|title=Introducing Bulldog|date=2006-10-11|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=VID|language=}}</ref>
*[[Bear McCreary]] discusses writing "Noavcek's Theme" on his web blog:
*: In general, I only write thematic material for characters who matter in the grand scheme of the series, in hopes that the character will return at a later point in the story. In rare cases I make an exception in order to give a guest star a particularly resonant musical voice. For example, [[Bill Duke]]'s [[Phelan]] from [[Season 2 (2005-06)|season two]]'s [[Black Market]] required his own theme, since all the events of the episode led up to his eventual stand-off with [[Lee Adama|Lee]].
*:
*:Hero was obviously another such case. Novacek's mysterious past drives nearly every scene in the entire show, and it was clear he required his own theme as well.<ref name="bear_mccreary"/>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Speaking to another Number Three after downloading:''
:'''Number Three''': There's something beautiful, miraculous between life and death.

*''Bulldog calls on Saul Tigh at Saul's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': So ... drink?
:'''Bulldog''': You have no idea!
:'''Tigh''' (scowling, unseen): Yes, I do.

*''Bulldog explains to Adama how he got off the Cylon baseship:''
:'''Bulldog''': Well sir, it's like this. The enemy had me locked in a cell for three years. The accommodations were lousy, the service was slow. And, after a while, I felt the institution had nothing left to offer me, so I left.

*''Colonel Tigh speaks to Bulldog in Adama's quarters:
:'''Tigh''': Tell you a dirty little secret: The toughest part of getting played is losing your dignity. Feeling like you are not worth the oxygen you are sucking down. You get used to it. You start to believe it. You start to love it. It's like a bottle that never runs dry. You can keep reaching for it over and over and over again.

*''Colonel Tigh calls on the Admiral at the end of the episode:
:'''Tigh''': I hear you got a medal.
:'''Adama''': Yeah. They're handing them out for anything these days- 'good behaviour', 'attendance'. 'Plays well with others.'

== Guest Stars ==
* [[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Captain [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
* [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
* [[Carl Lumbly]] as Lt. [[Daniel Novacek]]
* [[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Doctor [[Cottle]]
* [[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
* [[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
* [[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
* [[Barry Kennedy]] as Admiral [[Corman]]
* [[Tiffany Lyndall-Knight]] as [[Hybrid]] (credited)

== References ==
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Talk:Lion's Head beacon/Archive 1

2008-01-02T17:41:13Z

Akagi: New section: Who deployed the beacon?

==Some Wild Speculation==

The colonials conclude that the beacon was a result of "accidental exposure" but, given that the beacon "appears to have gelatinous material within slats in its interior," this ''may'' raise a rather interesting question. Microbiological cultures and specimens are often kept and preserved in what could be described as "gelatinous material." So, was the contamination really accidental or was the dying Six on the basestar correct when she described it as "left behind by some humans to destroy us?"

Consider: Two thousand years before the Twelve Tribes left [[Kobol]], the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] set out... alone. In the four thousand years since then, there are no known accounts of the other tribe making any attempt at contact with their fellow humans. The only contact in forty centuries is with an abandoned beacon which bears a plague.

Why did the Thirteenth Tribe leave Kobol? And, perhaps more importantly, ''what if the Thirteenth Tribe doesn't '''want''' to be found''?? [[User:Grugnir|Grugnir]] 13:03, 13 February 2007 (CST)

:From a scientific standpoint, the odds that an ordinary human virus would spread instantly among the highly advanced Cylons, even infecting the raiders and centurions and being able to be transferred via upload borders on nuts. If that's not a writing error, then indeed the virus was a deliberate weapon, and more to the point an deliberate anti-Cylon weapon, tailored thousands of years ago to kill Cylons. That happens to fit with my suspicion that all this has happened before, and there have been several generations of Cylons, and several wars between them and others. As for the rest, you're assuming there was a 13th tribe that went from Kobol to Earth. I think that's a myth that was told the 12 tribes to cover up the truth about Earth (that it's the homeworld of mankind, as we know to be true in reality.) They aren't following a path to Earth, they are following one from Earth, which is fairly obvious. And it's very odd the 12 tribes would take their flags from the Earth sky if Earth was an unknown lost colony. In any event, why does nobody ask why they are called the 13th tribe and not the first tribe?--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 14:03, 13 February 2007 (CST)

== Who deployed the beacon? ==

The Thirteenth Tribe left Kobol 4.000 years ago. But I suggest that they had no plan where to go. After they found Earth they send back a ship to Kobol that placed the beacon and brought the star maps to Kobol (seen in [[Home, Part II]]). --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 11:41, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Lion's Head beacon

2008-01-02T17:35:15Z

Akagi: Added age of beacon.

[[Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-1.jpg|thumb|right|The Lion's Head beacon on the infected basetar]]
The '''Lion's Head beacon''' is found by the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] as they pursued a probable course to [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]] from the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], as researched by their captive, [[Gaius Baltar]].

The beacon is apparently a human artifact left by the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)|Thirteenth Tribe]] as they made their way from [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] to Earth. It is about 3.000 years old<ref>[[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]] reports that this desease is similar to one that spread 3.000 years ago. Humans developed a natural immunity against it ([[A Measure of Salvation]])</ref>.

When the beacon is brought aboard the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]], it soon infects the Cylons, including [[Humanoid Cylon|Humanoid Cylons]], [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], the [[Hybrid]] and the basestar itself. The [[Cylon Centurion]]s, apparently controlled by the Hybrid, began shutting down as the infection progressed.

Baltar's basestar crew immediately quarantines their [[Resurrection Ship]] to prevent the reception of any transmitted consciousnesses from the dying basestar. They discovered quickly as the infection could spread into their community via their [[Resurrection (RDM)|resurrection process]].

Baltar is dispatched to the basestar to investigate. The beacon, as seen by Baltar, appears to have gelatinous material within slats in its interior ([[Torn]]).

The beacon is discovered and left behind by a Colonial boarding party after they realize that an [[Lymphocytic encephalitis|infection]] exists. The beacon is presumably destroyed when the basestar self-destructs ([[A Measure of Salvation]]).

== Notes ==
*The story behind the Lion Nebula beacon and the virus may have been inspired by the lunar lander [[w:Surveyor 3|Surveyor 3]]. Before launching in 1967, its camera was accidentally contaminated by a common bacterium. When the camera was recovered by [[w:Apollo 12|Apollo 12]] astronauts, the microbes returned to life, having survived two and a half years of vacuum, radiation, and temperature extremes.
*In the podcast for this episode, [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]] explains that writing about the beacon in later episodes would have introduced too much work as the characters would scrutinize and analyze it to the point of affecting the overall story, so it was deemed best to leave the beacon on the basestar in the aired storyline to destroy it and dispense of further commentary on the object.

== Related Imagery ==

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Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-2.jpg|Top back view
Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-3.jpg|Top front view
Image:3x6-Lion's-Head-beacon-4.jpg|View showing the gelatinous material
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Riggs

2008-01-02T17:17:30Z

Akagi: Riggs is serving in Pegasus, not Galactica.

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'''Riggs''' is a [[Colonial Marine Corps|Marine]] serving on ''[[Pegasus]]''.

Riggs takes part in a firearms drill conducted by [[Kendra Shaw]], the battlestar's new executive officer. Tasked to assemble his rifle blindfolded and within a limited time, Shaw asks him if he is wiling to bet his life and the life of his comrades on his work. When Riggs nervously affirms, Shaw calmly points his rifle at her chest and orders him to pull the trigger. When Riggs hesitates, Shaw pulls the trigger herself. The rifle just clicks and Shaw shows Riggs that he forgot one part of the firing mechanism, then orders him to repeat the exercise ([[Razor]]).

== Notes ==
*Given the basic firearms assembly training shown, it is likely that Riggs is a new recruit.

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Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II

2007-12-30T22:46:04Z

Akagi: /* Questions */

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== Overview ==
:''Starbuck has gone to Caprica. Adama insists Roslin must stand down as President. When she refuses, he is forced to deal with that situation while simultaneously adapting the plan to rid themselves of the Cylon baseship over Kobol.''

== Summary ==

=== In the Fleet ===

* [[William Adama|Adama]] challenges [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] over [[Kara Thrace]]'s actions with the [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raider]] (which occurred in the last episode) and she admits her role in helping [[Kara Thrace]].
* Adama requests her resignation as President. Roslin refuses. He states he is terminating her presidency. When she reveals the press is recording the conversation, he hangs up.
* He isolates ''[[Colonial One]]'' using the [[CAP]] to physically isolate it, and by jamming all communications from it. He then orders Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] and [[Lee Adama]] to set-up a strike force to take ''Colonial One''.
* Visiting [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] in sickbay, Adama asks her to fly a dangerous mission: take a Raptor fitted with a Cylon [[IFF]] transponder, jump to the Cylon [[Baseship|baseship]] orbiting Kobol and drop a nuclear bomb into its landing bay before jumping clear.
* Roslin refuses Adama's final request to yield and her security team ready themselves for an assault.
* The strike team flies to an isolated ''Colonial One'' aboard two Raptors, lead by Tigh and Lee Adama, and they start cutting their way into the ship.
* A confrontation ensues between Colonial forces and Roslin's security. It is broken only when Lee Adama sides with his conscience, and turns on Tigh. Afraid of a bloodbath, Roslin surrenders and Lee Adama is arrested.
* Roslin is returned to the ''Galactica'' after the failed standoff and is placed in the brig, while Lee Adama is in irons in CIC for mutiny.
* [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] and [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] arrive in CIC following the success of the attack on the baseship near [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], and as he thanks them, Boomer shoots Adama twice in the chest at point blank range, seriously wounding him.

=== On Kobol ===

*[[Raptor]] 1 has crashed down on [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]] and is on fire, as the crew struggle to get out and remove the bodies of the dead and injured, [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] becomes trapped by fire in the back of the vehicle.
* [[Crashdown]] tries to help him, but Baltar is too terrified to move. [[Number Six|Six]] appears and gives Baltar the strength to escape by giving the impression ''she'' is helping him out of the ship.
* As they get clear, the ship explodes, and Baltar wanders into the long grass before collapsing, as the rest of the crew start checking on their injured.
* Boomer's Raptor makes it through the Cylon perimeter around the baseship situated above Kobol, but the bomb release mechanism fails, forcing them to land inside the basestar and attempt a manual separation of the bomb.
* While there, Boomer encounters a number of her "sisters". While she tries to claim she is human, they inform her she cannot escape destiny.
* After she leaves on the Raptor, her "sisters" make no attempt to disarm or remove the bomb. The baseship is destroyed in a massive nuclear explosion.
* On Kobol, Baltar recognises Six "saved" him, and she takes him to see exactly why he has been chosen by God, and she walks him towards the ruined [[Opera House]].
* Entering it, he is shown the "face of things to come", apparently a baby in a crib, the "first of the new generation of God's children" - and he is to be their protector.

=== On Caprica ===

* [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Valerii]] has taken [[Karl Agathon|Helo]] to hide near the [[Delphi]] Museum of the Colonies.
* She is aware of the importance of the [[Arrow of Apollo]].
* They have discussed the fact that she is a Cylon (rather than a Cylon-created human clone as Helo suggested ([[Colonial Day]]).
* She reveals her relationship with him is important as it brings the Cylons closer to God. She also reveals she is pregnant.
* Starbuck completes her long-range jump and arrives over [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)#Caprica|Caprica]]. Passing through Cylon lines, she sets down in Delphi and heads for the museum.
* Locating the [[Arrow of Apollo]] she is confronted by [[Number Six|Six]] and a fight ensues in which Starbuck is initially badly beaten, before a last-minute rush sends them both over a landing, killing Six.
* Helo comes to Starbuck's aid, and she panics when she sees Valerii, immediately realizing that Valerii is a Cylon. Helo stops Starbuck from shooting her, citing that she's pregnant.

== Notes ==
* This episode takes place directly after those of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]".
* There are now 47,887 survivors in the Fleet, a net loss of 10 since "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I".
* Cylon vessels are indeed capable of very long-range jumps. The disorienting effects of the jump on humans is amplified greatly to the point where those tolerant of jump disorientation are affected.
* [[Delphi]] was once a cultural center on Caprica, and apparently held a lot of historical and religious artifacts
* Cylon basestars appear bio-mechanical, like Raiders
* In "[[Water]]" has five operational [[Raptor]]s: [[William Adama|Adama]] orders Raptors to survey local star systems for water bearing planets, 5 are dispatched. This episode reveals ''Galactica'' has at least 6: 1 is destroyed over [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]], one crashes on Kobol; three take part in the raid on ''[[Colonial One]]'', 1 simultaneously carries a nuclear warhead to the Cylon basestar
*The use of [[IFF]] transponders by the Cylons is an indirect nod to the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Original Series]], in which [[Apollo (TOS)|Apollo]] and [[Starbuck (TOS)|Starbuck]] use an IFF-type device to identify their [[Cylon Raider (TOS)|Raider]] to Colonial forces when they launch an attack on a Cylon Basestar ([[The Hand of God (TOS)]])
*According to Ron Moore's podcast, during the Starbuck/Number Six fight in the Delphi Museum, Katee Sackhoff and Tricia Helfer themselves actually perform the entire fight scene, with no stunt doubles.

== Analysis ==
*Caprica-Sharon is indeed pregnant; love and procreation were the keys to Cylon desire with her and Helo.
*That Baltar sees into the future is clear: but is the child he sees the product of Helo's relationship with Valerii, or his own (future) relationship with a corporeal Six? On the one hand, much of what is seen points to the child being born of Valerii: she admits her condition to Helo (and thus opens the door to him remaining on Caprica with her while Starbuck returns to ''Galactica'' with the Arrow) and the Cylons were apparently aiming for her to become pregnant by Helo (or at least, Doral and Six showed no surprised when she reported her lovemaking with him). But Six's words to Baltar as she prepares him to see the future are interesting: “You are the guardian and protector of a new generation of God's children,” – a somewhat neutral explanation that comes before she smiles, catches her breath and adds, “The first member of our family will be with us soon, Gaius.” This could be a reference to the fact that Valerii is pregnant; however the shift to the possessive “our family” and “with us” could be seen to indicate the child could be Baltar’s own. And again, how much more of an effective guardian and protector will Baltar be, if he is in fact protecting his own offspring, rather than that of another Cylon / human relationship? And if this is the case, where does that leave the Valerii / Helo relationship?
*This episode reveals some more about Number Six: if the offspring on the crib she sees with Baltar is that of Valerii and Helo, then it would more or less confirm that she is in contact with corporeal Cylons elsewhere – how else would she know of the developing Valerii / Helo situation otherwise as it started after her “death”?
*Similarly, it is interesting to note the degree of savagery involved in the beating Six gives Starbuck. In many respects, it mirrors the beating she gave Valerii in "Litmus"; at the time, the viciousness she showed seemed to be linked to the jealousy evident between her and Valerii. Six has been affected by Baltar’s reaction to sleeping with Starbuck (Kobol’s Last Gleaming, Part I). Could the physical beating Starbuck receives be a manifestation of the jealousy she feels for what happened on the Galactica, transmitted to her corporeal sister?
*How will the Fleet react once word of Roslin’s arrest breaks through the communications blackout ''Galactica'' inflicted on ''Colonial One''? What can the civilians do? In many respects Adama holds all the cards – or would do, were he in a fit condition. His ship is the key to the protection of the Fleet, and she is pretty much unassailable. Therefore, it is hard to see anyone stepping too far out of line when it comes to making major decisions. But within the civilian community, it is hard not to see repercussions: Roslin has been arrested; Baltar is missing, possibly dead. ([[Resistance (episode)|Answer]])
*Who is available to take the civilian reigns? Wallace Gray ([[Colonial Day]])? Tom Zarek ("[[Bastille Day]]", "[[Colonial Day]]")? Is it a coincidence that not too long before, at the Quorum of Twelve, Zarek himself raised the spectre of a military coup – and that is more-or-less what they now have on their hands?

== Questions ==
* Are Adama's wounds fatal? ([[Resistance_(episode)|Answer]])
* What will be the public reaction when news of [[Laura Roslin|Roslin's]] arrest finally breaks through the communication's embargo? ([[Home, Part I|Answer]])
* Who will take over as the civil leader with Roslin in the brig and [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] "lost" somewhere on the surface of [[Kobol (RDM)|Kobol]]? ([[Fragged|Answer]])
* How will [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] rise to the demands of command? ([[Fragged|Answer]])
* What is the baby in the crib? ([[Home, Part II|Answer]])
* If the Cylons understand the significance of the Arrow of Apollo (and by extension, the Tomb of Athena), why don't they use them themselves to find [[Earth (RDM)|Earth]]?
* Are the Cylons genuinely interested in Earth, or has it simply been a means to bring them to Kobol? ([[Torn|Answer]])
* Why didn't the sound of Starbuck's Raider landing attract Helo's attention sooner? He is across the road from the museum, and so could hardly fail to see it touch down, or see Starbuck climb the steps to the museum itself.
* How did Six know Starbuck's name so readily? Is this a pointer to her being in communication with her "sister" in Baltar's head? Or having been in communication with Conoy ([[Flesh and Bone]])?
* Did Boomer sabotage the bomb release mechanism, thus forcing herself into landing on the baseship?
* Why didn't [[Margaret Edmondson|Racetrack]] raise concerns about [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer's]] ability to survive in a vacuum on their return to ''Galactica'' (although there is no indication that there was a vacuum outside)? ([[Scattered|Answer]])
*Is there a breathable atmosphere inside Cylon basestars? ([[Torn|Answer]])
*Why do the Eights do nothing to stop the nuke? Or did the Cylons sacrified the baseship intentionally for the attempt on Adama?

== Official Statements ==

* ''Regarding [[Lee Adama]] and his development (and setbacks) incurred over the course of [[Season 1 (2004-05)]], as stated by [[Jamie Bamber]]:''

: I think he's his own man. I think he's a natural leader, but I don't think he's realised that yet. We are exploring it.

:At the end of the first season he's on his own again. I mean, he's always been an isolated figure in the first place because he doesn't really belong on the ''[[Galactica]]''. He doesn't even intend to be there but then the end of the world sort of catches him on the hop and that's where he has to make a start. He cuts a role out for himself as the "[[CAG]]," something he perhaps wasn't intending to do.

:And I think he comes into his own gradually. He surprises himself. But then again, at the end of the first season he disobeys an order, so that's basically burned all his bridges that he had with the crew of the ''[[Galactica]]''.

:So he's a lone thinker in many respects, but I think more and more you'll see him start to come out with true leadership qualities. <ref name="gateworld">[http://gateworld.net/galactica/articles/bamber01.shtml Gateworld Article on Jamie Bamber]</ref>

* ''Jamie Bamber on Lee Adama's evolution from this episode into the second season:''

: The difference fundamentally is that one moment in "Kobol's Last Gleaming" when he finally realizes that he's sense (sic) of duty and responsibility can and must extend beyond the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|military hierarchy]] and include his own conscience and the law. The moment he turns his weapon on [[Saul Tigh|his superior]]. And that that is not wrong.

: As a result he finds himself [[brig|behind bars]], in exile, out of uniform and essentially orphaned, but through all this he finds out who he really is and he trusts it. Suddenly, with [[William Adama|his father]] dying, he sees people turn to him for leadership and that brings a realization that he must rise to the occasion and he does so through trusting his own judgment. He is surprised that his mutinous act aboard ''[[Colonial One]]'' has not marginalized him in [[the Fleet (RDM)|the fleet]]; just the opposite—it has actually highlighted him as a man of conscience, capable of impossibly difficult decisions. <ref name="inside_bsg_p50">"Inside Battlestar Galactica", <u>Sci-Fi Magazine</u> February 2006: [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/albums/userpics/10017/0008a1hf.jpg 50]</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

* ''When Adama congratulates Boomer for destroying the basestar over Kobol:''
:'''Commander Adama:''' Congratulations to both of you. You carried out a very difficult and dangerous mission, and you did it...despite any...personal misgivings you may or may not have had...and for that I'm very proud. Thank you.
:'''Racetrack:''' Thank you, sir.
:'''Boomer:''' Thank you, sir. (pulls out a gun and shoots Adama in the chest)

* ''In the Opera House on Kobol:''
:'''Gaius Baltar:''' I don't understand.
:'''Number Six:''' Life has a melody, Gaius. A rhythm of notes that become your existence once played in harmony with God's plan. It's time to do your part and realize your destiny.
:'''Gaius Baltar:''' Which is what, exactly?
:'''Number Six:''' You are the guardian and protector of the new generation of God's children. The first member of our family will be with us soon, Gaius. It's time to make your choice.
:'''Gaius Baltar:''' But I don't understand what you're talking about. Really, I don't understand-
:'''Number Six:''' Come. See the face of the shape of things to come.

* ''On the Colonial One:''
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' Madam President, no one needs to get hurt here.
:'''Laura Roslin:''' Then why don't you get off my ship, Colonel.
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' I'm placing you under arrest.
:'''Lee Adama:''' No...no, we're not doing this.
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' I'm in command here, Captain.
:'''Lee Adama:''' Colonel, this is wrong!
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' You're relieved! Fall back. Madam President, I would-
:'''Lee Adama:''' (pulls a gun on Tigh) Men, lay down your weapons.
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' Have you lost your frakking mind?
:'''Lee Adama:''' Colonel, tell these Marines to fall back!
:'''Colonel Tigh:''' This is mutiny. You know that.
:'''Lee Adama:''' Yes I do, but you can tell my father that I'm listening to my instincts, and my instincts tell me that we cannot sacrifice our democracy just because the President makes a bad decision.

== Guest stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lt. [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]]
*[[Lorena Gale]] as [[Elosha]]
*[[Alonso Oyarzun]] as Specialist [[Socinus]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as Specialist [[Cally Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
*[[Jim Shield]] as [[Karma]]
*[[Warren Christie]] as [[Tarn]]
*[[Jen Halley]] as [[Diana Seelix]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*[[Jeff Dimitriou]] as Dancer
*[[Chris Becker]] as Cylon Robot

==References==
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Talk:Gina Inviere/Archive 1

2007-12-29T19:51:46Z

Akagi: /* Full name */

Source: http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1912

[[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 19:45, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Note ==
"However, if resurrection transmissions travel at light speed, the transmission would have reached the hypothetical second Resurrection Ship (or the Cylon Homeworld) at the same time as they would have detected the nuclear explosion."
:Since they travel at [[FTL|faster than light]] with the "jumps", what would the timing of the Cylon arrival have to do with transmission speed of the download? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:49, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== Deleted Scenes ==
Though it is mentioned that she has a storyline in "Downloaded", shouldn't we post what actually happens in that deleted scene? I know in the end it didn't air (for sake of not confusing too much), but it is still considered canon and is an important part of both the Gina and Cylon Baby Story line (as well as D'anna possibly). I think we should add some greater detail about what happens during this scene (especially since we aren't getting more Gina.
-- [[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18 March 2006
: Sauron18, deleted scenes aren't necessarily canonical. Something may later come down the line that contradicts those scenes. However, I would add the pertinent information in a notes section. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:01, 18 March 2006 (CST)
---Well its true that they aren't ALWAYS, canonical, but the fact that recently we've seen deleted scenes shown in the "Previousley on BSG" makes the scene itself canonical. At least her discussion over putting his attention on the polls is important. I do hope the rest of her arch in "Downloaded" does turn out compatible. Its really the same for most scenes, but Gina is dead. She was a good character and any scene we can get is worth mentioning as canonical I would say. I don't know, I guess only time will tell. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18 March 2006
:I don't think they shouldn't be noted as anything other than a trivia item. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 18 March 2006 (CST)

== Suicide and Spectacles ==

I believe the reason for Gina's suicide to be because she knew the other Cylons would eventually detect the explosion and find New Caprica. If she still had a real desire for suicide, she could have very easily gotten herself shot or tossed out an airlock just by showing herself to a Colonial officer, without risking damnation. I think she stayed with the nuke to prevent anyone stumbling on it and disabling it, thereby ruining her one chance to signal her people.

Also, regarding Gina's glasses, she seems to use them only for reading, rather than as a disguise. Shelly Godfrey uses reading glasses, too; it's likely that a little nearsightedness is an intentional flaw in the Six model, like Five's thinning hair and Cavil's advanced age. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:22, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

:RDM explained the reason at the "NY Museum for Television & Radio" panel. She couldn't accept that the Colonials found a safe haven on New Caprica and especially couldn't imagine living down there, probably with Baltar. On Cloud 9 she might have thought that she could undermine the Colonials from within. On New Caprica that would've been gone. Though her means of suicide was very extreme, she probably wanted to hurt them one last time.
:Personally I think the Cylon's discovery of New Caprica works better as pure chance than with any kind of planning.

:Nice point about the glasses :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:29, 18 October 2006 (CDT)
::My first thought, when Five explained how they detected the explosion, was that, even a year later, Gina was still screwing Baltar. I don't think she'd have risked burning in Hell for any other reason. Guess I was wrong on that one, though it'd make sense that she could justify her suicide as dying in the line of duty if she took a couple of thousand Colonials with her. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:53, 18 October 2006 (CDT)

== Not "Gina" Within the BSG Universe ==

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that she is only referred to as Gina outside of the BSG universe. Ron Moore calls her that, probably the cast and crew call her that, and we call her that, but no one else. Not Admiral Cain, not Baltar, not...any of her "hug the Cylons" people?...other than that not many people in the Fleet knew she existed. Because of this, '''whenever I see the name "Gina" on any other pages, I change it to "''Pegasus's'' prisoner" or something similar'''. The point is that if a random viewer comes to the Wiki and sees this weird name "Gina" they've never heard in any episode, it will make it quite confusing. I believe that at the top of ''her'' page, the naming convention should be described, and that the fan-name is fine to use on it, but not anywhere else. This would best follow the "in the BSG universe" POV policy, yes? Any thought? - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 11:54, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Wasnt she Gina in the credits? And besides, isn't what Ron Moore says considered canon? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 12:04, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::I just checked Pegasus, both Res Ships, and LDYB II. She's not included in any of the credits. Moore's law is correct, she ''is'' Gina, and I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that because she has not been identified within any of the episodes or promotional material as "Gina"...just online and otherwise outside of the universe, using that name on wikipages contradicts the in-universe point of view. She definitely should have a handle for use on the wiki, but the problem is that unlike the names for various Sharons and Six's, the tag "Gina" has no (?) basis within the episodes. Just like Caprica-Six before Downloaded, no name was assigned to her on-screen, even by Baltar. If we were to use the same naming convention on her as other Cylons, we should refer to her as "''Pegasus''-Six" on the wiki instead of "Gina." - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 12:32, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::By [[Zeus, Lord of Kobol|Zeus]], he's got a point. Since the character is a dead-end anyway, adjusting this shouldn't be a real problem; we use descriptive names for internal reference elsewhere. I'll add a reference note that the name itself is internal based on RDM's comments, but, like most of the Sixes, no character has actually said their "human" alias on screen. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:44, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::::The name is well-known and has an official source. I see no problem with continuing to use it. Also, "Pegasus's prisoner" sounds kind of horrible - if you insist on circumlocution, at least Number Six (''Pegasus'' copy) fits our conventions. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::I'd say we just leave it as Gina, it's her official name even if it isn't mentioned on screen, and it's not just a nickname. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 15:45, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::::I'm for keeping it as well. If we had learned the cover name she assumed as ''Pegasus'' crewmember it would probably have been Gina --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:17, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::I agree with keeping it, for the reasons above. I have never seen anyone asking "Gina? Who's that?" on a BBoard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:11, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Spence, the page reads much more clearly now. Thanks. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 18:43, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== GINO an allusion to "RINO" and "DINO"? ==

Personally, I'd always thought it was a reference to another GINO, the Godzilla In Name Only of the 1998 American Godzilla film. I've never even heard RINO or DINO used (at least not as acronyms). The note cites the podcast. Does Ron Moore actually say it stems from RINO or DINO, or does he just explain the origin of Gina's name. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 19:18, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
: Go to: [[Podcast:Pegasus#Act 2]]. Basically, he explains that GINO is an acronym for "Galactica in name only", which itself mirrors "DINO" and "RINO".-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 19:37, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

== Full name ==

In "Razor" her last name is given as N'viere or Enviere...or something (ancient Gemenese for "resurrection"). Does anyone know how to spell that? Also, we usually don't use first names, but we might want to make an exception here. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:42, 4 November 2007 (CST)
:I'd say we wait for closed captions for "Razor". --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:47, 4 November 2007 (CST)
:According to [http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=a2c1c37c-13c7-42e3-9155-f9d1c1f5de25 this article], her last name is spelled "Inviere". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 12:09, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::When is it said that N'viere/Enviere/Inviere is Gemenese for "resurrection" anyway? When Gina and Kendra meet? When Cain introduces Gina to Fisk&Co. ? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 14:28, 6 November 2007 (CST)
:::During the Gina/Shaw meeting when Shaw comes abaord. And listening to it a bit more, it does really sound like "Inviere" and not "Enviere". --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:35, 6 November 2007 (CST)
::::Not the most reliable of sources, but [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/razor/poll/ Sci Fi] says Inviere. Not sure if we should add an accent, though. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 15:24, 21 November 2007 (CST)
:::::In 3 days, Razor will be aired on TV with closed captions. Let's look at those. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 15:30, 21 November 2007 (CST)
::::::I would wait until the DVD release, since DVD subtitles tend to be more reliable, at least in my experience. And perhaps there are special features that would indicate a preferred spelling, as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:01, 21 November 2007 (CST)
::::::Though if you listen to it, it's pretty clear that it's '''In'''viere. Maybe Invière if you go fancy with apostrophes, but I doubt it. We could easily change the name of this page until we can fully "confirm" it. As said, despite our "no first names policy" it's probably better if we leave her as Gina on all other articles. So a global change wouldn't be needed. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:09, 21 November 2007 (CST)
:::::::I agree with everything that Serenity said in the comment above. I would like to redirect this page to the full name if no one objects. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 10:35, 25 November 2007 (CST)
:::::::The subtitles of the DVD release show the name "Invier" without a trailing "e" --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 13:51, 29 December 2007 (CST)

== Resurrection vs Insurrection ==
I heard resurrection, as did whoever transcribed it. I guess the dvd subtitles will tell the tale for sure in a couple days, but I thought I'd open up a discussion here in case anybody wanted to argue for the other meaning in the interim. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:12, 1 December 2007 (CST)
:I hear "resurrection" in my, um, copy. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:30, 1 December 2007 (CST)
:I hear "insurrection", although Jacobson doesn't really pronounce it clearly. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 10:26, 1 December 2007 (CST)
:I heard "resurrection", which makes sense. We'll find out Tuesday or later, though. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 10:37, 1 December 2007 (CST)
::It seems like the Gemonese, being a generally pretty religious bunch, would be more likely to have a surname using their language that has a religious meaning rather than rebellious. I'm not saying that the Gemonese wouldn't have a word for insurrection, just that I'd expect it to be more like, "Hey, isn't that Sagittaron for 'insurrection'?" But maybe I'm just being Colonist (or is it just racist)? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:50, 1 December 2007 (CST)
:::True. Resurrection makes more sense, especially since Gina later identified the Resurrection Ship (as someone else (don't remember who) pointed out earlier). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 11:57, 1 December 2007 (CST)
::::Oooh! Good point. And, GINA (Galactica in Name Only, the reimagined series) is something of a resurrection of the original series. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:02, 1 December 2007 (CST)

Talk:Earth (RDM)/Archive 1

2007-12-14T22:57:19Z

Akagi: New section: Age of Lion's Head Beacon

== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Everyone has still the amazing finale of Season 3 in mind. We were able to take a look at the Earth of BSG RDM. Although, we could see the familiar blue planet for a few seconds only, it was enough to determine one fact: There were no major cities visible from orbit, nor any other signs indicating that earth is actually inhabited with a highly advanced civilization. This leads to the question what happend to the thirteenth tribe? Were they wiped out? Are they much more primitive than their 12 brothers? Or something completely different? In my opinion I believe that Earth is the true origin of mankind and that the remaining citizens of the planet have developed in the 4000 years since the exodus to such advanced and godlike beings (maybe comparable to the beings of Stargate, the ancients) that they no longer need to live in high-tech cities, but travel through the universe with their powers. I mean, look at the episode Maelstrom. I think an earth human took the role of Leoben to prepare Kara for their "life and death experience". If they are able to communicate with humans in dreams, pull viper pilots to earth in a maelstrom and even reverse the death of Kara Thrace than the earth humans must be extremely powerful beings! {{unsigned|Cortes}}

:I sure hope that it's uninhabited - but perhaps habitable again - and that it's the true origin of mankind. It still wouldn't explain the close technological and cultural similarities after thousands of years, but everything else would pretty much destroy the show in my eyes. Especially if it were an advanced society. This just isn't the type of show to either have incorporeal beings or have a story resolved by magical new technology. An alternative would be a complete parallel universe, where humans didn't develop on Earth. But that whole Earth thing has never been a favorite of mine anyways and is beginning to take up way too much screen time. I never felt that the show was ''about'' the search for Earth and liked it when that story went on in the background.

:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==

Is there a reference for the age of 3000 years of the beacon? The article about the beacon says nothing about it. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 16:57, 14 December 2007 (CST)

Downloaded

2007-08-28T19:10:39Z

Akagi: /* Notes */

:''For information on the process of downloading itself, see [[Resurrection (RDM)]].''

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== Overview ==
: ''[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] society is revealed when a [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Cylon's consciousness]] is downloaded into a new body following her death. The conquerors of occupied [[Caprica]] hail two "heroes of the Cylon," who both resist their new celebrity status.''

== Summary ==

===Teaser===
*The episode begins with a flashback scene entitled, "Nine months ago - Caprica".
*The scene recalls [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s house being destroyed in the Cylon attack as the [[Caprica-Six|mysterious blonde]] he dated for two years tries to shield him from the blast ([[Miniseries]]).
*The scene reforms to show the Cylon's consciousness is [[Resurrection (RDM)|downloaded and reborn]] in a [[resurrection tank]]. Surrounding the tank are other [[humanoid Cylon]] models who act as midwives to this [[Number Six|Number Six's]] "rebirth."
*One face that the Six sees is very unexpected. Someone that appears to be [[Gaius Baltar]] is at the edge of the tank, but before Six can talk to him, this Baltar warns that he is not really there: He is [[Virtual beings|someone only she can see and hear]] and tells her not to reveal his "presence".
*Still in the Cylon version of birth trauma, Six attempts to relax as the other Cylons comfort her and answer her questions about Gaius Baltar's fate.
*The scenes shifts to another flashback: "Ten weeks later". The scene shows a busy hallway on ''[[Galactica]]'' as [[Cally Henderson]] shoots and kills the traitorous Cylon agent, [[Sharon Valerii]] ([[Resistance]])
*The scene follows Valerii's point of view as she also downloads, waking up totally disoriented in a resurrection tank.
*A [[Number Three]] comes to comfort her. As Valerii sees a copy of herself, reminding her once more of her true nature as a [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]], she screams.

===Act 1===
*On [[Caprica (RDM)|Caprica]], present day, the Cylons are rebuilding the city of [[Delphi]] for their own use, including gardens. A Three sits down to talk with the recently downloaded Six.
*Six continues to be "haunted" by the virtual Baltar, who gives scathing retorts on the Cylon's progress of inhabiting their city after their [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocide of the human race]].
*The Three congratulates Six, who is considered a "[[Hero of the Cylon]]" for her work as the prime agent that was personally responsible for gaining the information that allowed the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|virtual destruction]] of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]. The Three tells Six that her celebrity has given her a specific name: [[Caprica-Six|"Caprica"]].
*Three asks Caprica-Six to visit another recently downloaded Hero of the Cylon that is having trouble adapting: A [[Number Eight]] that still refuses to think of herself as anything but her human alias, Sharon Valerii.
*Three warns that if Valerii cannot be fixed, there is talk of "[[boxing]]" her.
*Caprica-Six visits Valerii's apartment. Valerii refuses Caprica's courtesies, denying the Cylon [[God (RDM)|God]] or his "love," noting that the only real love she had was with the ''Galactica'' crew.
*Valerii expresses intense guilt at [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|betraying them]]. Caprica-Six starts to manipulate her by trying to empathize with her, saying that she loved a man too — Gaius Baltar. Startled, Valerii says that Baltar is not dead, but is the new Vice President of the Colonies.

===Act 2===
*Moving their conversation to a cafe on the ground floor of Valerii's apartment, Caprica-Six and Valerii wonder why Number Three never told Caprica-Six that Baltar was alive.
*Caprica-Six (through conversation with her virtual Baltar) realizes that Number Three manipulated her by hoping that her interaction with another Cylon with strong (and, to the Cylon collective, undesired) emotional ties with humanity would cause her distress sufficient enough to justify having them ''both'' boxed.
*Elsewhere, outside the building, [[Samuel Anders]] and two other members of the human [[Caprica Resistance|resistance movement]] reconnoiter the apartment building as they plan to demolish the building with explosives.
*While the team realizes that the Cylons will not permanently die, Anders believes, based on [[Sharon Agathon|the insight of a benevolent Eight]], that Cylons remember their horrifically painful memories of being killed, which may show them that nowhere on Caprica is safe and that leaving Caprica is their only option.
*Number Three shows up at the cafe. Realizing Three's deception, Caprica-Six lies, telling Three that Valerii will move out of her apartment and start adapting back to Cylon life. Valerii follows Six's lead.
*Visibly disappointed, but not showing it through her speech, Number Three offers to help her move out right now. After a moment's hesitation, the three Cylons leave the cafe for Valerii's apartment.
*The resistance members arm the bomb in the underground garage, where many abandoned cars sit, gathering dust. Anders is preparing to leave when a patrolling [[Cylon Centurion]] arrives, blocking Anders' exit.
*When the Centurion sees the bomb, Anders shoots it to distract long enough for the bomb's cigarette fuse to drop, creating a massive explosion that levels the entire building. Anders manages to take cover under a car.

===Act 3===
*Caprica-Six, Three, and Valerii survive the blast as the stairwell protected them on the higher floor. Caprica-Six is injured and buried under some rubble. When Three insists that Caprica-Six is dead, Caprica-Six speaks in the negative and calls for help.
*Six's knee is dislocated, and Three again suggests that it would be easier, if Six wanted, to just kill her so she'll be reborn. Realizing Three is trying to have her boxed, she declines the "offer."
*The Cylons find someone else under some rubble, and Number Three clears it off to discover Anders. She takes his gun away and prepares to kill him, but Valerii protests. Caprica-Six agrees, but to avoid suspicion from Number Three, claims pragmatically that they shouldn't kill him so he can be interrogated.
*Valerii notices that Anders is wearing [[Kara Thrace]]'s [[dog tags]]. Number Three explains that she was on the planet [[The Farm|a few weeks ago]]. Valerii realizes Anders is someone important to her former comrade.
*Number Three cruelly toys with Anders, putting his gun on the ground and daring him to take it. When Valerii asks her to stop, Number Three retorts that Valerii is a broken machine that thinks she's human, but isn't.
*Valerii states she has a conscience, but Three counters that Valerii is a murderer.
*Caprica-Six realizes that murder and the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocide of the human race]] cannot be the [[Cylon Religion|path of their loving God]].

===Act 4===
*Caprica-Six realizes why Number Three wanted her and Valerii boxed: they are celebrities in a culture based on uniformity. Three knew that their heroes had a different perspective on the war. Due to their celebrity status as Cylon heroes, they could actually cause a change the Cylons view about their conflict with the humans, upsetting the ''status quo'' which Number Three upholds.
*Number Three says that Six and Valerii are a waste, corrupted by their experiences. Caprica-Six explains to Valerii that that is why Three wanted to get rid of them, because Six and Valerii understand that murder, vengeance, and genocide are sins in the eyes of God. Valerii realizes that their knowledge could convince other Cylons that the slaughter of mankind was a mistake.
*The rubble of the building shifts as Cylons outside try to clear their way to any survivors inside.
*Anders grabs his gun and tries to escape, shooting at Number Three before Valerii knocks the gun out of his hands.
*The gun lands near Three. As she is about to shoot Anders, Caprica-Six hits her over the head with a large rock of stone, then bashes Three in the head again, killing her.
*Caprica-Six tells Anders to leave, and gives him back Starbuck's dog tags. Valerii gives him back his gun as he leaves, alive but confused at the Cylons' benevolence.
*Six realizes that with all of the Cylons dead in the cafe, it should be at least 36 hours before Number Three is resurrected and tells the others what happened.
*Caprica-Six and Valerii believe that there is sufficient time to start a new beginning for the Cylons: A way to live in God's love, without hate or lies. Together, the two Heroes of the Cylon agree to a [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II|new plan]] as their rescuers arrive.

===On ''Galactica''===
*[[Sharon Agathon|Caprica-Valerii]] has gone into labor; she passed out and her placenta had detached.
*Dr. [[Cottle]] delivers the baby by surgery. The child is premature and is taken to an incubator.
*As Caprica-Valerii [[Home, Part II|predicted]], it is a girl. [[Helo]] and Caprica-Valerii adore it together, naming her "[[Hera Agathon|Hera]]".
*Meanwhile, President [[Laura Roslin]], Baltar, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], and Col. [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] debate what to do with the child. Baltar points out that it is half-human. Adama realizes the Cylons want it, and that the Cylons still hiding in the Fleet will try to make a move for it if they know about it.
*President Roslin has decided, [[The Eye of Jupiter|secretly and unilaterally]], to hide Hera to protect her. She has Cottle convince Helo and Caprica-Valerii that their baby has died using other remains. Caprica-Valerii becomes hysterical and nearly chokes Cottle before breaking down, sobbing.
*Roslin has given Hera to a woman named [[Maya]], who lost her baby in the Cylon attack. Maya believes that the child is a normal human child from a ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' officer.
*Helo, helped by Chief [[Galen Tyrol]], spreads the ashes of "Hera" out the hatch of a spaceborne [[Raptor]].
*The [[Virtual beings|virtual Number Six]] is devastated that Baltar could not protect "their baby", although he says he did all he could.
*Number Six says that God's will was that Hera should survive and "would lead the next generation of God's children." In a rage, she says that Baltar has committed a sin, and his entire race will suffer God's vengeance.

== Notes ==
*This episode has been nominated for the Hugo Award for "Best Dramatic Presentation (short-form)" aired in 2006. Members of the 2007 World Science Fiction Convention will vote on the awards, which will be presented in Yokohama, Japan around September 1, 2007.
*Anders refers to humanoid Cylons as "Skin Jobs" in this episode, another reference to ''[[Wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]]'' by the Re-Imagined Series (which [[Edward James Olmos]] also co-starred in). The Cylon Centurions are being referred to as "Bullet Heads".
**When episode writer [[Bradley Thompson]] was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#"Skin Jobs"|asked]] by Battlestar Wiki how it was decided to incorporate this referrence into the episode, he said:
:"There was no real "decision" as such. We were writing "Downloaded". [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]] and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] were on the roof and we needed a quick way to categorize. We remembered the term from Blade Runner and put it in. The drafts went through the usual pathways of approval and nobody shot it down. So now there are skin jobs along with metal jobs, clankers, and bulletheads (that last is credited to [[Gary Hutzel]])."
*[[Rick Worthy]] ([[Simon]]) and [[Callum Keith Rennie]] ([[Leoben Conoy]]) do not actually appear in this episode. In several brief shots, body doubles dressed as their characters are seen from behind or in the distance, but these actors did not return for the episode. Ron Moore noted in his [[Podcast:Downloaded|podcast]] of the episode that body doubles were used because the production team felt it would just be a waste of Worthy's and Rennie's time having them only appear in the background of shots and not have any dialog.
*Much of the dialog in the episode recap is entirely new, and dubbed in to better summarize the segment.
*[[Caprica-Six]] assumed residence on Caprica two years prior to the Cylon attack, which matches both the beginning of her relationship with Baltar ([[Miniseries]]) and the date that [[Sharon Valerii]] was assigned to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[The Farm]]).
*There are three cars in the underground garage. One clearly visible is a Citroën DS. When the Cylon enters the garage, the car on the right appears to be a Rover P6. The car on the left with a central headlamp appears to be a 1930s Tatra 87. According to the podcast, older European cars were used to make them somewhat more alien to American viewers, but this can have the opposite effect on European viewers.
* The license plate on the front of the car crushed in Anders' bomb attack reads '''SEXYMOM''', and has a "C-Bucs Rule" bumper sticker (for the [[Caprica Buccaneers]], the core of Ander's resistance group).
* Whenever Baltar's internal Number Six appears on ''Galactica'' during the series, Number Six's distinct soundtrack theme is played (plunking staccato notes on a [[w:xylophone|xylophone]], accompanied by violins). There is a subtle twist on this for this episode with Caprica-Six's internal Baltar: whenever Six's hallucinatory Baltar appears, the normal "Number Six theme" is played ''in reverse''. The xylophone notes are played in reverse order, though the violin overlay is still played "forwards".
*Different music plays during the two downloads at the beginning of the episode. A variation on the "Number Six theme" is heard during Caprica-Six's flashbacks, while Boomer's flashbacks are accompanied by a more militaristic tune.
*The image that Sharon throws against the wall is from the episode [[Water]], done after Sharon landed the Raptor and asks Tyrol to take care of her ejection seat.

== Analysis ==
*Interestingly, the Baltar in Caprica-Six's head seems to be rather sharper-tongued, more cynical, and more harshly moralistic than the actual Baltar. He spends most of the episode playing conscience to Caprica-Six.
*In the Miniseries, Leoben claimed to Adama that Cylons were superior to primitive humans, who were only "one step above beating each other to death with clubs". Ironically, Caprica-Six savagely beat Number Three to death "primitively" with a rock.
*Apparently the documentary broadcast from the Fleet in "[[Final Cut]]" was not made widely available, since if Caprica-Six had seen it, she would have already known about Baltar's survival.
*There does not appear to be any pattern to the numbering scheme of the 12 Cylon models: Three (D'anna), Five (Doral), Six (Shelley Godfrey/Gina), Eight (Sharon), i.e. not all females are an even number, males an odd number.
*Cylon society on Caprica appears to consist of mostly mimicking human behavior — clothing, apartments, cafés, parks for relaxation, etc. In essence, the Cylons are merely trying to be what they have just exterminated — humans.
*Cylons appear to lead asexual lives — no Cylon "couples" are seen, or even any obvious signs of friendship between Cylons. While frequently talking about, and concerned with, love, Cylons might be celibate except when interacting with humans.
*Dialogue in "[[The Farm]]" indicates that Cylons have tried reproducing on their own, but failed, and then experimented with human-Cylon hybridization. This implies that they tried sexual relations between male and female Cylon models. It is unknown whether all such activities stopped once it became clear it was a literally fruitless effort, or how Cylon society would feel about such behavior.
*The Cylons did not expect their initial attack to be anywhere near as successful as it was. This would explain the apparently large number of Cylon military vessels showing up everywhere as the Cylons expected to fight a more protracted war against a larger surviving human military force.
*While it is not explicitly known in this episode, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]] was kept in the dark about Roslin's decision to fake Hera's death. The only people who know the complete truth are the President herself and [[Cottle|Doctor Cottle]]. The episode "[[The Eye of Jupiter]]" later confirms this point.
* Tyrol accompanies Helo to his and Sharon's daughter's "funeral", but who exactly is he there in support of? Helo or Caprica-Valerii? The easy answer is "both", but it seems likely that his presence was there more on Helo's behalf. Having been effectively marginalized in Caprica-Valerii's eyes ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]), and his later fears of being a Cylon, his feelings for her were on the downswing.

== Questions ==
*What will Number Three do when she is re-embodied? ([[Precipice|Answer]])
*Were the Cylon Model numbers revealed so far (Three (D'Anna), Five (Doral), Six, Eight (Boomer)) numbered at random, or was there some underlying reason to why they were each assigned these specific numbers by the writers?
**From [[Ron Moore]]'s blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]: "Number Six was specifically a homage to "[[Wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]]," but the rest were assigned their numbers randomly.
* What model numbers are "[[Simon]]" and "[[Leoben Conoy]]" ?
*Given that Baltar's home was destroyed and Caprica-Six "died" in a nuclear explosion, how did Baltar survive?
* This episode raises new questions about the nature of the virtual Number Six that appears to Baltar, now that a virtual Gaius Baltar has appeared to Caprica-Six. What are these [[virtual beings]]?
* Does death hold any meaning to the Cylons?

== Official Statements ==
*David Eick's video blog shows the crew preparation for filming the Cylon rebirthing scene for this episode.
*According to RDM's podcast, there was an entire subplot in this episode in which Lucy Lawless's character "D'anna Biers" interviews President Roslin about rumors that the pregnant Cylon prisoner's baby had been born. Then "''Galactica''-Three" tries to kidnap the baby off of ''Galactica'' in collusion with [[Gina]] (''Pegasus''-Six). The subplot was cut for time (they wanted to spend more time focusing on events on Caprica), and also because they felt it made the episode very confusing; cutting between many different Cylon copies both on Caprica and ''Galactica''.( These scenes were filmed then cut; they are provided as [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Downloaded|deleted scenes]] on the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] sets).

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Caprica-Valerii has gone into premature labor with her Hybrid baby:''
:'''Cottle:''' I find it absolutely amazing you people went to all the trouble to appear human, and didn't upgrade the plumbing.

*''"Caprica-Six" and a [[Number Three]]-copy walk past a crowd of other Cylons of various models, and they all keep turning their heads to look at Caprica-Six:''
:'''Caprica-Six:''' I still can't get used to this.
:'''Three:''' Well, you're a Hero of the Cylon now. You're our first celebrity!
:'''Caprica-Six:''' Oh, I'm just another Six.
:'''Three:''' You're too modest. I'm just another Three... and they're Fives (motions at a Doral-model)... and Eights (motions at a Sharon-model). But you, everyone calls you "Caprica-Six"... like you're the only Six on the planet!

*''President Roslin, Baltar, Admiral Adama and Col. Tigh discuss what to do with the Hybrid baby:''
:'''Roslin:''' If [[Hera|the baby]] does survive, the question is — what do we do with it?
:'''Baltar:''' Do? What are you suggesting? That we throw it out of an airlock?
:'''Roslin:''' I don't make suggestions, Mr. Baltar - if I want to toss a baby out of an airlock, I'd say so.

*''[[Number Three]] prepares to execute [[Samuel Anders]]:''
:'''Three:''' Humans don't respect life the way we do. (loads pistol)

*''Anders' gun is knocked out of his hands, and it miraculously lands near Number Three, who picks it up, stands over Anders and gets ready to execute him:''
:'''Number Three''': God loves me. (Caprica-Six pops up behind Number Three and bashes her over the head with a big rock of debris)
:'''Caprica-Six''': See you again soon! (Caprica-Six bashes her head with the rock a second time, killing her current body, while her consciousness will soon download into another)

*''[[Sharon Valerii]] picks up a photograph of the ''Galactica'' crew to make a point to Caprica-Six about love:''
:"''This'' is love. These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them! I shot a man I love, screwed over another man, ruined his life, and why? Because I'm a lying machine! I'm a frakking Cylon!"

*''Caprica-Six's internal Baltar recites verse''
:Life is short, but the next one's not
:Let your heart adrift, and your soul will get caught
:Believe the lies, ignore the truth
:Listen to me, I will show you the proof.
:Speak from your heart: say the things you know to be true

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Kerry Norton]] as Paramedic [[Layne Ishay]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[Erica Cerra]] as [[Maya]]
*[[Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]

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Battle of New Caprica

2007-08-19T15:13:14Z

Akagi: Updated the number of casualties.

{{Battle Data
| name=Battle of New Caprica
| image=BONC.jpg
| description=
| conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=
| place=Near [[New Caprica]] space; on New Caprica
| result=Successful retrieval of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], deposition of the [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] administration, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is captured by Cylons
| combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1=Admiral [[William Adama]], Commander [[Lee Adama]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Former President [[Laura Roslin]]
| co2=[[Basestar command]], [[Cylon Occupation Authority]]
| strength1=Battlestars ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and '' [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'',<br/> [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]],<br/> [[Raptor]] squadrons,<br >[[New Caprica Resistance]] and Colonial [[Marines]]
| strength2=Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], associated [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider]]s,<br/> Ground occupation forces and associated <br/>[[Cylon Centurion]]s
| shiploss1=Battlestar ''Pegasus'',<br/> several civilian ships <br/>(off screen),<br/>Heavy damage to ''Galactica''
| shiploss2=At least two basestars<br/>One basestar possibly destroyed<br/>Moderate damage to additional basestar
| casualties1=Approximately 2,592<ref>This number is calculated from all available population data. See [[Survivor count]] for the details.</ref><br>
| casualties2=Unknown, Heavy
| prev=[[Battle of the Binary Star System]]
| next=[[Battle of NCD2539]]
| rdm=y
}}
''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' launches a daring mission to occupy the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon forces']] attention as the majority of the Colonial citizens escape from Cylon occupation on [[New Caprica]].

Prior to the battle, Admiral [[William Adama]] makes contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], and later deploys a [[Raptor]], Lt. [[Sharon Agathon]] commanding, to coordinate a plan to liberate the colonists from the planet safely during the Colonial offensive. Agathon uses her [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon heritage]] to retrieve the Colonial civilan ships' [[launch key]]s from a secured Cylon building, while [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] train the colonists in "fire drills," meant to show readiness to the [[Cylon Occupation Authority]] in the event of a natural disaster, but in reality has prepared the colonists to escape to any Colonial ship to leave the planet and the Cylons.

Admiral Adama begins the offensive with an elaborate plan that relies on a squadron of [[Raptor]]s (with a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] escort squadron) to fire a series of [[swallow]]s that collectively mimic the EM signatures of his two Colonial battlestars. After firing the swallows, the Raptors retreat, luring several [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] further from the planet. The Cylons are deceived temporarily by the false readings.

On [[New Caprica]], Samuel Anders and the resistance team detonate dozens of bombs in key Cylon structures as a feigned attack by Colonial forces. The people evacuate per their fire-drill training, but escape to the various grounded ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], which prepare their engines and [[FTL]] drives to depart. Many people become pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] fire.

Admiral Adama performs an extremely risky move. He orders ''Galactica'' to conduct an intra-atmosphere [[FTL]] jump, escaping the detection of the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] in orbit. While in freefall, it launches [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]]. The [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] perform hit-and-run attacks on Cylons on the ground and in [[Guard towers|observation towers]], and interdict the few Raiders operating near the surface. Blue Squadron destroys the main gates of the civilian shipyard to allow access and escape. Before ''Galactica'' impacts the surface, it performs a second jump back into space. Stress from the vibration and ionized gases from reentry heavily tax the structure of the battlestar.

Soon, the two basestars engage ''Galactica'' without any fighter support, their Raiders engaged elsewhere. ''Galactica''’s mission analysis had predicted that only two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] would engage. However, two more basestars jump into the vicinity to attack the battlestar.

With the Vipers destroying targets on the ground and in the air in vicinity of New Caprica City, the civilians previously pinned down are able to board their ships. Simultaneously, Colonial [[Marines]] and resistance members assault the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]], freeing [[Kara Thrace]] and other detainees.

The Cylons in charge on the ground begin their retreat, escaping in a Heavy Raider as they task a [[Number Three]] with setting off a nuclear detonation to "clean up."

In the four-baseship assault, ''Galactica's'' FTL drives and maneuvering thrusters are disabled, and the port side of the ship reaches its structural limits. Upon hearing that the FTL drive is disabled, Admiral Adama is resigned to imminent destruction when battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', against orders, appears and joins the attack. The [[Mercury class battlestar]]'s forward [[battery|batteries]] score several hits that severely damage or destroy one basestar. On the surface, most of the civilian ships become airborne and jump away.

Commander [[Lee Adama]] directs ''Pegasus'' to a position between the basestars targeting ''Galactica'', in an effort to draw fire away from her. Admiral Adama infers from the absence of Vipers from ''Pegasus'' that its Vipers are guarding the remaining ships of the Fleet at the rendezvous point and that ''Pegasus'' is on a one-way trip. While ''Pegasus'' endures serious bombardment, ''Galactica'' is able to bring its FTL back on line, retrieves her Vipers, and escapes.

With ''Pegasus'' taking mortal damage, Commander Adama orders all to abandon ship (using standby Raptors to jump away from the battle) setting all weapons to auto-fire and directing the ship on a collision course with one of the basestars before departing. The damaged, unmanned ''Pegasus'' collides with one basestar, destroying both. The remnants of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s starboard [[flight pod]] collide with another of the remaining basestars, destroying it.

''[[Colonial One]]'' is the last Colonial ship to leave the planet. On the surface, the Cylons' planned nuclear detonation (which would be of questionable tactical value now that the Colonials have left the planet) does not occur.

__NOTOC__
== Battle Imagery ==
=== Raptors and Vipers ===
<gallery>
Image:Vipers_and_Raptors_placing_decoys.jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away.jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away_(2).jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away_(3).jpg|
</gallery>
=== ''Galactica'''s Surprise Attack ===
<gallery>
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere.jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(2).jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(3).jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_FTLing.jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_FTLing_(2).jpg|
</gallery>
=== ''Pegasus’s'' Suicide Run ===
<gallery>
Image:Pegaus firing forward batteries.jpg
Image:Pegaus Raptors Leaving.jpg
Image:Pegaus taking a beating.jpg
Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|
Image:Pegaus_Ram_(2).jpg|
Image:Pegaus_Ram_(3).jpg|
Image:Pegasusflightpod.jpg|
Image:Pegasusbaseshipsremains.jpg|
</gallery>

==References==
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[[de:Schlacht von Neu Caprica]]

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Battle of New Caprica

2007-08-19T15:06:39Z

Akagi: Added further images of Pegasus' attack.

{{Battle Data
| name=Battle of New Caprica
| image=BONC.jpg
| description=
| conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=
| place=Near [[New Caprica]] space; on New Caprica
| result=Successful retrieval of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], deposition of the [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] administration, [[Hera Agathon|Hera]] is captured by Cylons
| combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet (RDM)|Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1=Admiral [[William Adama]], Commander [[Lee Adama]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Former President [[Laura Roslin]]
| co2=[[Basestar command]], [[Cylon Occupation Authority]]
| strength1=Battlestars ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and '' [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'',<br/> [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]],<br/> [[Raptor]] squadrons,<br >[[New Caprica Resistance]] and Colonial [[Marines]]
| strength2=Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], associated [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider]]s,<br/> Ground occupation forces and associated <br/>[[Cylon Centurion]]s
| shiploss1=Battlestar ''Pegasus'',<br/> several civilian ships <br/>(off screen),<br/>Heavy damage to ''Galactica''
| shiploss2=At least two basestars<br/>One basestar possibly destroyed<br/>Moderate damage to additional basestar
| casualties1=Approximately 2,000<ref>This number is calculated from all available population data. See the "Precipice" and "Collaborators" section of [[Survivor count]] for the details.</ref><br>
| casualties2=Unknown, Heavy
| prev=[[Battle of the Binary Star System]]
| next=[[Battle of NCD2539]]
| rdm=y
}}
''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' launches a daring mission to occupy the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon forces']] attention as the majority of the Colonial citizens escape from Cylon occupation on [[New Caprica]].

Prior to the battle, Admiral [[William Adama]] makes contact with the [[New Caprica Resistance]], and later deploys a [[Raptor]], Lt. [[Sharon Agathon]] commanding, to coordinate a plan to liberate the colonists from the planet safely during the Colonial offensive. Agathon uses her [[Humanoid Cylon|Cylon heritage]] to retrieve the Colonial civilan ships' [[launch key]]s from a secured Cylon building, while [[Samuel Anders]] and [[Tory Foster]] train the colonists in "fire drills," meant to show readiness to the [[Cylon Occupation Authority]] in the event of a natural disaster, but in reality has prepared the colonists to escape to any Colonial ship to leave the planet and the Cylons.

Admiral Adama begins the offensive with an elaborate plan that relies on a squadron of [[Raptor]]s (with a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] escort squadron) to fire a series of [[swallow]]s that collectively mimic the EM signatures of his two Colonial battlestars. After firing the swallows, the Raptors retreat, luring several [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] further from the planet. The Cylons are deceived temporarily by the false readings.

On [[New Caprica]], Samuel Anders and the resistance team detonate dozens of bombs in key Cylon structures as a feigned attack by Colonial forces. The people evacuate per their fire-drill training, but escape to the various grounded ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], which prepare their engines and [[FTL]] drives to depart. Many people become pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] fire.

Admiral Adama performs an extremely risky move. He orders ''Galactica'' to conduct an intra-atmosphere [[FTL]] jump, escaping the detection of the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] in orbit. While in freefall, it launches [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]]. The [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]] perform hit-and-run attacks on Cylons on the ground and in [[Guard towers|observation towers]], and interdict the few Raiders operating near the surface. Blue Squadron destroys the main gates of the civilian shipyard to allow access and escape. Before ''Galactica'' impacts the surface, it performs a second jump back into space. Stress from the vibration and ionized gases from reentry heavily tax the structure of the battlestar.

Soon, the two basestars engage ''Galactica'' without any fighter support, their Raiders engaged elsewhere. ''Galactica''’s mission analysis had predicted that only two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] would engage. However, two more basestars jump into the vicinity to attack the battlestar.

With the Vipers destroying targets on the ground and in the air in vicinity of New Caprica City, the civilians previously pinned down are able to board their ships. Simultaneously, Colonial [[Marines]] and resistance members assault the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]], freeing [[Kara Thrace]] and other detainees.

The Cylons in charge on the ground begin their retreat, escaping in a Heavy Raider as they task a [[Number Three]] with setting off a nuclear detonation to "clean up."

In the four-baseship assault, ''Galactica's'' FTL drives and maneuvering thrusters are disabled, and the port side of the ship reaches its structural limits. Upon hearing that the FTL drive is disabled, Admiral Adama is resigned to imminent destruction when battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'', against orders, appears and joins the attack. The [[Mercury class battlestar]]'s forward [[battery|batteries]] score several hits that severely damage or destroy one basestar. On the surface, most of the civilian ships become airborne and jump away.

Commander [[Lee Adama]] directs ''Pegasus'' to a position between the basestars targeting ''Galactica'', in an effort to draw fire away from her. Admiral Adama infers from the absence of Vipers from ''Pegasus'' that its Vipers are guarding the remaining ships of the Fleet at the rendezvous point and that ''Pegasus'' is on a one-way trip. While ''Pegasus'' endures serious bombardment, ''Galactica'' is able to bring its FTL back on line, retrieves her Vipers, and escapes.

With ''Pegasus'' taking mortal damage, Commander Adama orders all to abandon ship (using standby Raptors to jump away from the battle) setting all weapons to auto-fire and directing the ship on a collision course with one of the basestars before departing. The damaged, unmanned ''Pegasus'' collides with one basestar, destroying both. The remnants of ''Pegasus''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s starboard [[flight pod]] collide with another of the remaining basestars, destroying it.

''[[Colonial One]]'' is the last Colonial ship to leave the planet. On the surface, the Cylons' planned nuclear detonation (which would be of questionable tactical value now that the Colonials have left the planet) does not occur.

__NOTOC__
== Battle Imagery ==
=== Raptors and Vipers ===
<gallery>
Image:Vipers_and_Raptors_placing_decoys.jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away.jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away_(2).jpg|
Image:Raptor_Decoys_Away_(3).jpg|
</gallery>
=== ''Galactica'''s Surprise Attack ===
<gallery>
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere.jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(2).jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(3).jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_FTLing.jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_FTLing_(2).jpg|
</gallery>
=== ''Pegasus’s'' Suicide Run ===
<gallery>
Image:Pegaus firing forward batteries.jpg
Image:Pegaus Raptors Leaving.jpg
Image:Pegaus taking a beating.jpg
Image:Pegaus_Ram.jpg|
Image:Pegaus_Ram_(2).jpg|
Image:Pegaus_Ram_(3).jpg|
Image:Pegasusflightpod.jpg|
Image:Pegasusbaseshipsremains.jpg|
</gallery>

==References==
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[[de:Schlacht von Neu Caprica]]

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[[Category:Colonial]]
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{{featured article}}

The Music

2007-08-18T21:06:06Z

Akagi: Further appearance of a line in the episode

As the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]] approaches the [[Ionian nebula]], four people, [[Saul Tigh]], [[Samuel Anders]], [[Tory Foster]] and [[Galen Tyrol]], begin hearing fragments of strange music that only they can hear. The music becomes more distinct and distracting as the Fleet gets closer to the nebula.

Once the Fleet arrives at the Ionian nebula, '''the Music'''<ref>{{bsgwiki term}}</ref> reaches a piercing shrill. The Colonials affected not only hear the music complete, but begin to add lyrics as well. As the Fleet plunges into darkness, losing electrical power for reasons unknown, the music compels the four to meet in a isolated room.

The four are able to assemble the lyric fragments with the intact music to form a strange song. The musical experience is associated with a "switch going off" in the minds of the four, who suddenly become aware they are [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. The source or cause of the music is not known ([[Crossroads, Part II]]).

At the end of the episode the song starts playing as background music for the viewers to hear. These are the complete lyrics that are sung:

:''There must be some way out of here''
:''Said the joker to the thief''
:''There's too much confusion''
:''I can't get no relief''
:''Businessmen they drink my wine''
:''Plowmen dig my earth''
:''None of them along the line''
:''Know what any of it is worth''

:''No reason to get excited''
:''The thief he kindly spoke''
:''There are many here among us''
:''Who feel that life is but a joke''
:''But you and I, we've been through that''
:''And this is not our fate''
:''So let us not talk falsely now''
:''The hour is getting late''

:''All along the watchtower''
:''All along the watchtower''

Three of the lines appear earlier in the episode:

:Anders: That song you're hummin'. What is that?
:Tyrol: Oh, uh. Ah you know I don't even know, it's just something I can't get outta my head. '''Some way outta here'''.

:Racetrack: Yo, Anders! Do you need a frakking invitation? Move it!
:Anders: Alright. '''No reason to get excited'''.

:Saul Tigh: You'll look into it? You'll look into it? I am here telling you there is Cylon sabotage aboard our ship.
:William Adama: Sabotage? With music?
:Saul Tigh: I know, I know. I can't quite understand it myself. '''There's too much confusion'''.

:Saul Tigh (to self, after Adama exits): '''There must be some kinda way out of here.'''

:Tory Foster (while washing her hands): '''I can't get no relief.'''

==Notes==
*The music is, indeed, a version of [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan's]] song, "[[w:All Along The Watchtower|All Along the Watchtower]]," specially arranged by series composer [[Bear McCreary]], the lyrics sung by his brother, [[Brendan McCreary]] (known professionally as [[Bt4]])<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.bearmccreary.com/html/blog/blogmain.htm|title=Bear McCreary's Blog|date=March 25, 2007|accessdate=|last=|first=|format=|language=English}}</ref>.
*The song is ''not'' intended to indicate that the Colonials have picked up an Earth communication. Series executive producer [[Ron D. Moore]] considers the song to be an invention created by a Colonial citizen in a curious parallel to what had or will develop on Earth. The series creators have intentionally avoided citing whether ''Battlestar Galactica'' occurs in [[Earth (RDM)|the series' Earth]]'s past, present, or future. Moore offers that "things that happened on Galactica were tied into our reality here on Earth in some way, in the past or the future, or some other connection"<ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/ronald_d_moore|title=AV Club interview with Ronald D. Moore|date=|accessdate=April 22, 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=English}}</ref>.
* According to Bear McCreary, the song will be on the [[Soundtrack (Season 3)|Season 3 soundtrack]].
* Over 25 notable bands have performed cover versions of "All Along The Watchtower"; the definitive cover was performed by [[w:The Jimi Hendrix Experience|The Jimi Hendrix Experience]]. Many people are even unaware that his version was not the original. <ref>{{cite_web|url=http://www.dmbalmanac.com/SongStats.aspx?sid=96|title=Song Stats for ''All Along the Watchtower'' at DMBAlmanac.com|date=|accessdate=April 22, 2007|last=|first=|format=|language=English}}</ref>
* Bob Dylan has indicated that the events in the song's lyrics are "in a rather reverse order", beginning logically in time with the "All Along The Watchtower" verse and ending with the now-famous opening lines, "'There must be some way out of here,' said the Joker to the Thief." <ref name="dylanlyrics">http://bobdylan.com/songs/watchtower.html</ref>
* The version used in the series omits the final stanza:
*: ''All along the watchtower, princes kept the view''
*: ''While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.''
*: ''Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,''
*: ''Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl''

==References==
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==External Links==

* [http://www.reasontorock.com/tracks/watchtower.html An analysis of "All Along the Watchtower" at Reason to Rock]
* [http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=VWbyALbmqZY&offerid=78941&type=3&subid=0&tmpid=1826&RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fi%253D91218865%2526id%253D91218823%2526s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30 "All Along the Watchtower"], sung by [[w:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan]], at iTunes
* [http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=VWbyALbmqZY&offerid=78941&type=3&subid=0&tmpid=1826&RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewAlbum%253Fi%253D79674825%2526id%253D79674801%2526s%253D143441%2526partnerId%253D30 "All Along the Watchtower"], sung by [[w:Jimi Hendrix|Jimi Hendrix]], at iTunes
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Talk:Ionian Nebula/Archive 1

2007-03-30T23:23:43Z

Akagi: /* Nebula and Earth */

== The Great Exodus? Not. ==

It is not true that "Lieutenant Felix Gaeta discovers that a nova occurred in the Ionian system which was seen around the same time as the Great Exodus." The Great Exodus was about 2,000 years ago, "around the time the 13 tribes first left Kobol." The Ionian nova was "seen 4,000 years ago, around about when the Temple might have been built," "which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe."

It's kind of besides the point, because you've obviously made a 2,000 year blunder, but I think this is how the scriptures make sense:

The 13th tribe left Kobol on a journey to Earth 4,000 years ago. (They, or somebody, soon resettles Kobol.)

The 13 tribes left Kobol for the Colonies 2,000 years ago.

The 13th tribe is all 12 tribes combined. And it is the rag-tag fleet presently; what happened 4,000 years ago is happening again now.

This is a bit speculative, and so should not go onto any pages, but I'm just trying to show you how it could make sense what they say on the show: the 13th tribe left Kobol 4,000 years ago (on a journey to Earth), and also the 13 tribes left Kobol 2,000 years ago (for the 12 Colonies.)

--[[User:MHall|MHall]] 10:54, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:I fixed it. That's also how the timeline article explains it. Anyways, they moved the date back on the show, and for me it doesn't make that much sense to interpret so much into Elosha's one little comment.

:Of course there is also the possibility of them coming from Earth to Kobol around 4000 years ago and then leaving Kobol again, neatly explaining why the dates go backwards farther out. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:11, 21 February 2007 (CST)

::I don't believe this is a correct analysis. The Thirteenth Tribe left 4,000 years PM (prior to Miniseries) as noted in "The Eye of Jupiter". The remaining twelve tribes left 2,000 years later, according to Elosha. Supporting the Thirteenth Tribes' account is Pythia, who wrote her account 3,600 years PM. We may have yet another retcon, but we shouldn't reinterpret the numbers to make sense for our benefit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:32, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

== Nebula and Earth ==

I see Serenity removed a note about the relationship between the nebula and [[Earth]] with the comment "We don't really know anything of how Starbuck went to Earth, or if it's even true. Or if maybe the Cylons went there and they have way better FTL technology."

I'm a bit confused by this comment. What I added was strictly stuff from the show. That Earth is a modest round trip using whatever jump technology that Starbuck has, and that she also feels it is a reasonable trip with fleet technology under her guidance. All that is based on what Starbuck says. She worries we don't know if it's true, and that is the case, but surely we're not trying to make a rule that you can't add things a character has said because they might be a lie. At best one would want to note that there is reason to doubt what they say.

The other note that was deleted simply indicated that Earth was shown to be in very roughly the same region of the Galaxy as the nebula, and that is indeed the case, it's shown quite clearly as the last 4 seconds of the episode, so I'm at a loss for why it would be deleted.

Short of making arguments that Starbuck (or whoever it is) is lying, I think it is Canon that she made a round trip to Earth (using her better jump tech) and that she can take the fleet there. So any other reasons why this should be deleted? {{unsigned|Bradterm}}

:1.) We don't know if she really has been to Earth. It might be true, it might be something else entirely. You can say that she claims to have been to Earth, but until some confirmation is presented, I'm against speculation taking everything at face value. And contrary to what you are implying, this is a special case. Her return is out of the norm and nothing is known about its reason or cause. There is a basis for assuming that not everything might be as it seems.
:2.) If it's true, the only FTL technology available to her is Cylon technology which is considerably more advanced than Colonial technology. Granted, even the Colonials might reach Earth in a few hundred jumps.
:3.) Yes, if it's true, Earth is probably in the general vicinity of the nebula. However, that was not shown "clearly", there is a considerable zoom-out showing the ''entire'' galaxy. But all in all, it just sounded very speculative. In a different version it might be ok with qualifiers, just not in the matter of fact way you phrased it in. But I'm not sure it's really needed. Any other opinions? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:52, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Point is, this is stuff said in the show about the position of Earth WRT the nebula. We should document it. If there is reason to doubt it -- and I'm not saying there isn't such reason -- we should document that too. We don't actually know what sort of FTL tech she used for the round trip to Earth she speaks of, but we do know she claims a RT to Earth. And as for the pull-out, I and many others have gone through that in frame-at-a-time mode, and the pull-out leaves and re-enters the picture of the galaxy at almost exactly the same point. The purpose of that pull out is to show you the connection of the Nebula to Earth and it also seems to confirm Starbuck's claims, though I won't say it's definite. Anyway, my point is this is important information from the show, and rather than removing it, the right course is to document other information that casts doubt on Starbuck's claims.
::::I agree with the sentiment that we should stick with documenting it and let the reader make their own conclusions.

::::However, I don't think that the fact that she's been to Earth and back necessarily implies anything about the distances involved, or the number of jumps remaining, etc. It may be thousands of jumps, but the way she returned to Earth was unconventional. There's no way to know. So I'd almost rather see the "If true" sentence axed. I do really like the zoom note, though, and hadn't really noticed that. Good catch. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:37, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::The zoom out and back in again gives absolutely no clear indication of the true distance between the location of the fleet and Earth. Starbucks viper clearly exploded in Maelstrom so the speculation that her Viper had some kind of advanced FTL drive is just fanwanking, as is stating that she could be a Cylon. Ive watched the zoom out and in bit literally about 20 times trying to work out locations and stuff but its really hard. Just before and just after the wide galaxy shot the glare from the stars fill the screen with brightness so you really can't make any pin pointing. This [[:Image:Locations_in_BSG_galaxy.jpg|rough image]] I made isn't really much help either as we have no idea how much further the fleet has traveled since [[Home, Part II]]. If you'll excuse my fanwanking but if i had to guess where the fleet were it would be on the edge of the Orion arm of our Galaxy as [http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7108/fleetnz9.png indicated here]. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 16:39, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

::::::I do not think that [[:Image:Locations_in_BSG_galaxy.jpg|this image]] is correct. As far as I know, our galaxy has a diameter of 100000 light years. The distance shown between Earth and the Colonies in the image are roughly 1000 light years. Between the episodes [[Rapture]] and [[Crossroads, Part II]] the fleet traveled 13000 light years. As long as the fleet did not traveled into the wrong direction the positions shown in the image are wrong. I found [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=270&pos=683 this screencap]. If I remember correctly, Earth is in this bright cloud at the bottom of the image. The fleet is in the cloud 2 cm above. Earths distance to the galaxy are roughly 30000 light years. Maybe someone can calculate the exact distance between the Ionian Nebula and Earth, but I estimate 5000 light years. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 18:23, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Ionian Nebula/Archive 1

2007-03-30T23:23:09Z

Akagi: /* Nebula and Earth */

== The Great Exodus? Not. ==

It is not true that "Lieutenant Felix Gaeta discovers that a nova occurred in the Ionian system which was seen around the same time as the Great Exodus." The Great Exodus was about 2,000 years ago, "around the time the 13 tribes first left Kobol." The Ionian nova was "seen 4,000 years ago, around about when the Temple might have been built," "which lines up with the exodus of the Thirteenth Tribe."

It's kind of besides the point, because you've obviously made a 2,000 year blunder, but I think this is how the scriptures make sense:

The 13th tribe left Kobol on a journey to Earth 4,000 years ago. (They, or somebody, soon resettles Kobol.)

The 13 tribes left Kobol for the Colonies 2,000 years ago.

The 13th tribe is all 12 tribes combined. And it is the rag-tag fleet presently; what happened 4,000 years ago is happening again now.

This is a bit speculative, and so should not go onto any pages, but I'm just trying to show you how it could make sense what they say on the show: the 13th tribe left Kobol 4,000 years ago (on a journey to Earth), and also the 13 tribes left Kobol 2,000 years ago (for the 12 Colonies.)

--[[User:MHall|MHall]] 10:54, 21 February 2007 (CST)

:I fixed it. That's also how the timeline article explains it. Anyways, they moved the date back on the show, and for me it doesn't make that much sense to interpret so much into Elosha's one little comment.

:Of course there is also the possibility of them coming from Earth to Kobol around 4000 years ago and then leaving Kobol again, neatly explaining why the dates go backwards farther out. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:11, 21 February 2007 (CST)

::I don't believe this is a correct analysis. The Thirteenth Tribe left 4,000 years PM (prior to Miniseries) as noted in "The Eye of Jupiter". The remaining twelve tribes left 2,000 years later, according to Elosha. Supporting the Thirteenth Tribes' account is Pythia, who wrote her account 3,600 years PM. We may have yet another retcon, but we shouldn't reinterpret the numbers to make sense for our benefit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:32, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

== Nebula and Earth ==

I see Serenity removed a note about the relationship between the nebula and [[Earth]] with the comment "We don't really know anything of how Starbuck went to Earth, or if it's even true. Or if maybe the Cylons went there and they have way better FTL technology."

I'm a bit confused by this comment. What I added was strictly stuff from the show. That Earth is a modest round trip using whatever jump technology that Starbuck has, and that she also feels it is a reasonable trip with fleet technology under her guidance. All that is based on what Starbuck says. She worries we don't know if it's true, and that is the case, but surely we're not trying to make a rule that you can't add things a character has said because they might be a lie. At best one would want to note that there is reason to doubt what they say.

The other note that was deleted simply indicated that Earth was shown to be in very roughly the same region of the Galaxy as the nebula, and that is indeed the case, it's shown quite clearly as the last 4 seconds of the episode, so I'm at a loss for why it would be deleted.

Short of making arguments that Starbuck (or whoever it is) is lying, I think it is Canon that she made a round trip to Earth (using her better jump tech) and that she can take the fleet there. So any other reasons why this should be deleted? {{unsigned|Bradterm}}

:1.) We don't know if she really has been to Earth. It might be true, it might be something else entirely. You can say that she claims to have been to Earth, but until some confirmation is presented, I'm against speculation taking everything at face value. And contrary to what you are implying, this is a special case. Her return is out of the norm and nothing is known about its reason or cause. There is a basis for assuming that not everything might be as it seems.
:2.) If it's true, the only FTL technology available to her is Cylon technology which is considerably more advanced than Colonial technology. Granted, even the Colonials might reach Earth in a few hundred jumps.
:3.) Yes, if it's true, Earth is probably in the general vicinity of the nebula. However, that was not shown "clearly", there is a considerable zoom-out showing the ''entire'' galaxy. But all in all, it just sounded very speculative. In a different version it might be ok with qualifiers, just not in the matter of fact way you phrased it in. But I'm not sure it's really needed. Any other opinions? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 07:52, 30 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Point is, this is stuff said in the show about the position of Earth WRT the nebula. We should document it. If there is reason to doubt it -- and I'm not saying there isn't such reason -- we should document that too. We don't actually know what sort of FTL tech she used for the round trip to Earth she speaks of, but we do know she claims a RT to Earth. And as for the pull-out, I and many others have gone through that in frame-at-a-time mode, and the pull-out leaves and re-enters the picture of the galaxy at almost exactly the same point. The purpose of that pull out is to show you the connection of the Nebula to Earth and it also seems to confirm Starbuck's claims, though I won't say it's definite. Anyway, my point is this is important information from the show, and rather than removing it, the right course is to document other information that casts doubt on Starbuck's claims.
::::I agree with the sentiment that we should stick with documenting it and let the reader make their own conclusions.

::::However, I don't think that the fact that she's been to Earth and back necessarily implies anything about the distances involved, or the number of jumps remaining, etc. It may be thousands of jumps, but the way she returned to Earth was unconventional. There's no way to know. So I'd almost rather see the "If true" sentence axed. I do really like the zoom note, though, and hadn't really noticed that. Good catch. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:37, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

:::::The zoom out and back in again gives absolutely no clear indication of the true distance between the location of the fleet and Earth. Starbucks viper clearly exploded in Maelstrom so the speculation that her Viper had some kind of advanced FTL drive is just fanwanking, as is stating that she could be a Cylon. Ive watched the zoom out and in bit literally about 20 times trying to work out locations and stuff but its really hard. Just before and just after the wide galaxy shot the glare from the stars fill the screen with brightness so you really can't make any pin pointing. This [[:Image:Locations_in_BSG_galaxy.jpg|rough image]] I made isn't really much help either as we have no idea how much further the fleet has traveled since [[Home, Part II]]. If you'll excuse my fanwanking but if i had to guess where the fleet were it would be on the edge of the Orion arm of our Galaxy as [http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7108/fleetnz9.png indicated here]. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 16:39, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

::::::I do not think that [[:Image:Locations_in_BSG_galaxy.jpg|this image]] is correct. As far as I know, our galaxy has a diameter of 100000 light years. The distance shown between Earth and the Colonies in the image are roughly 1.000 light years. Between the episodes [[Rapture]] and [[Crossroads, Part II]] the fleet traveled 13000 light years. As long as the fleet did not traveled into the wrong direction the positions shown in the image are wrong. I found [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=270&pos=683 this screencap]. If I remember correctly, Earth is in this bright cloud at the bottom of the image. The fleet is in the cloud 2 cm above. Earths distance to the galaxy are roughly 30000 light years. Maybe someone can calculate the exact distance between the Ionian Nebula and Earth, but I estimate 5000 light years. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 18:23, 30 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive2

2007-03-24T14:59:52Z

Akagi: Baltars internal six at the inauguration scene

== The Cliffhanger ==

I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)

:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)

::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)
::::: I don't think the Pegasus is going anywhere... I do wonder what the rescue operation will look like though. I haven't quit anything this week... except maybe worrying. --[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 09:58, 13 March 2006 (CST)

There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]

:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)

::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)

:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)

::::::::: Well, actually, [[user:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]] was right! I don't know who he/she is, but (s)he knew what'll happen exactly in ''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'' Anyway, it's the best ep so far! --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 16:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::::: Regardless, that degree of detail probably didn't belong on the encyclopedic page before the episode had actually aired anywhere...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:57, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== The Peace Proposal ==

I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)

== Speechless ==
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:)
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|D]]'''</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)
That was totally awesome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 11 March 2006 (CST)
: I was on pins and needles the entire time. It was so good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:56, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:: I'm just so happy that I have no idea what's going to happen next. What a fantastic finale. --[[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]] 1:48, 11 March 2006 (EST)

== Well Then... ==

Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)

== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==

I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.

: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".''

Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)

: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)

No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)

: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)

::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)

My speculation is that the reason Conoy is seeking out Kara Thrace has more to do with the events that took place with Anders, Caprica 6 and Sharon(1) in the episode downloaded...the thing with the dogtag. but we will find out in october I suppose.--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

== DubyaBaltar ==

I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::::See the dialogue section of [[Six Degrees of Separation]] for your answer Sgtpayne. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:31, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:::::Just checked the page requested, and I'm not sure that's helping the argument. The statement is defensive in nature. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:37, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::::::It's not an argument, it's an explanation as to why we're calling him "Mr. Nice Gaius". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (CST)
: I don't think that they are trying to Bush bash... If they were then Baltar would have been the one stealing the election. (I don't believe that Bush stole the election, but it is a common belief among Bush bashers.) Perhaps they are trying to comment on American elections in general and there are similarities, but I think the purpose is literary, not political. Oh, and definitely not article material- there is no way this could be unbiased. --[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 10:10, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== Does anyone remember... ==

... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)
:Got it. On a side note, there are lots of ''really'' sexist things Cottle could have said about a woman who can't open her mouth, so maybe he should get some credit for holding back... --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 10:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)
::None of us, neither the show or any users here, had even had that implication at any time enter our minds. Complete non sequitor. Disgusting to bring up such crudeness, Mr.JohnH. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:::I can't tell if you're being serious or not, here. Because '''I''' certainly had that thought enter my mind, and you can't possibly know what the writers were thinking...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:28, 13 March 2006 (CST)

==Source?==

"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)

:[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mario_Savio This is confirmed]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:34, 10 March 2006 (CST)

::Thanks. Great that the show is so political.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:41, 10 March 2006 (CST)

:::I don't think it's political as much as it is human. This is [[Wikipedia: Naturalistic science fiction|"naturalistic" science fiction]], after all. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:56, 10 March 2006 (CST)

==Gina's Scars==
We can clearly see that Gina's back is still badly scarred from her treatment on ''Pegasus'' in this episode. However, I seem to recall her back being completely healed in "Epiphanies". Can anybody confirm? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:Er, they're on her lower/mid back, while when she was wearing the tank top, you could only see her upper shoulder blades. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)

==Playa==
At the end of the episode (near the surrender), I thought I saw [[Playa Palacios|"Miss Exclusive"]], though it may have just been a similar-looking blonde. Can someone check this? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:She's not in the credits. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:03, 11 March 2006 (CST)

==Survivor count==
There's a drop of 29 between part 1 and 2: "''A more reasonable explanation is that there was a late update in the survivor count that took into account those who died off-screen during the Cylon attack on the Pegasus in "[[The Captain's Hand]]". Soldiers who are killed are often listed as MIA (Missing in Action) until they can be confirmed as KIA (Killed in Action). In the aftermath of the attack on the Pegasus, it would have taken a while to determine the exact number of crewmen and pilots killed. Also, there were probably a number of crewmen who died from injuries afterwards. As a result, a delay in updating the survivor count is quite likely''"--->No. The survivor count at the beginning of ''Part 1'' would have accounted for these losses. Part 2 takes place weeks, maybe even 2 months past "Captain's Hand"; even "[[Downloaded]]" comes in before there. 2 episodes and about 2 months passed, and we saw no further losses from Captain's Hand beyond the 5 on screen. And the Survivor Count is omniscient. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:05, 11 March 2006 (CST)
: Once would assume that the Fleet has it share of black market thugs and suicidal people... Not everything has to be Cylon related. Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:22, 11 March 2006 (CST)
::Yes, and I have always argued as such...but then that makes the static pop count from end of Captain's Hand through LDYB part I unrealistic itself. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:24, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:::Well, one would assume that people are reported as missing prior to being reported as dead. Hence the seemingly unrealistic count changes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:32, 11 March 2006 (CST)

::::Even though I STILL think those losses are most likely late figures from "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (I'm not going to argue about this), another possible reason for the drop could be the results of election-related riots/murders. Stuff like that happens. Either that or the writers just screwed up.--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 16:45, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:::::And, ultimately, that is the problem... it's all about '''thought''', not '''fact'''. Until we know for certain why these variances occur (and why they register when they do), we could think about it until our brains cry for more oxygen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:58, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:::::Judging by our current standards and conventions, and just logic, no, it is impossible for these to be "left over" number from 3 full episodes ago. Think what you want, but don't add it back to the page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:49, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:::::: Just keep in mind, the "omniscient" Survivor Count is controlled by the writers just like everything else. And writers do make mistakes occasionally. Besides what other plausible explanations are there?--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 22:41, 11 March 2006 (CST)

:::::::Really? I had always assumed that it was controlled by mutant space monkeys. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:21, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:Perhaps they accounted for the losses on Caprica? One raptor jumped into '''SOLID ROCK''' (as emphasized on the podcast), and there was quite a bit of shooting before the end of the last episode. Of course, if this is the case, then I would hope the number would have gone up, as they should also account for the Caprica refugees they have joined up with.--[[User:Mxg75|Mxg75]] 16:22, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Cloud Nine bodycount. ==

Am I going completely fuzzy-headed here, or is the fact that Cloud Nine was destroyed before the transition to New Caprica being completely overlooked.
''
*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.
***Actually, we have no idea how many people were still crewing the civilian ships in the Fleet when Galactica and Pegasus jumped away, so it could actually have been thousands less than that.''

The answers to the questions, as I remember what I saw, are completely irrelivant. Noone was colonizing the planet yet.
Or am I completely loosing my mind [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 02:09, 12 March 2006 (CST)
*No, you're quite sane. Admiral Adama had ordered the first teams to New Caprica just before the commercial break, Baltar's last night with Gina, the inauguration, and the blast. There probably wouldn't have been more than a handful of raptor teams on the surface at the time--not enough to make any appreciable dent in the population figures. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:51, 12 March 2006 (EST).
::I am a little confused as to what your asking, but I will try and clarify:
::The episode states that after a year, there are about 39,000 people on New Caprica. The Galactica and the Pegasus require about 5,000 crew between the two ships, but at the time of Baltars election, were only carrying about 4,000. However, it is made clear that the two battlestars are operating with skeleton crews - so lets say for the sake of arguement that thats 1/2 of normal, which would put the combined crews at 2,500. There are other ships in the defense fleet above New Caprica, looks to be about ten additional ships, if I remember correctly. Lets say they need 600 crew each (see [[The Fleet (RDM)]], but are also running with skeleton crews, which puts them at 10 x 600 = 6,000/2 = 3,000. Combine that with the battlestars crew, you get 5,500. Add that to 39,000 and you get 44,500. Compare with the pre-New Caprica pop of 49,000 and it looks like about 4,500 died in the Nuclear blast. So, no, the destuction of Cloud 9 was not overlooked, it was indeed factored into the New Caprican population. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:30, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::My argument was that the figures mentioned have very little bearing on the actual body count caused by Gina's detonation of the nuke. There is no way to know based upon the information as presented in this episode how many were killed in that explosion. The only thing even remotely possible to conclude from those figures is an rough absolute cap. We are not informed of deaths/births between the explosion and the next available population count. The way it was origionally stated in the Questions section (as reprinted above) leads to a conclusion otherwise which leaves out important facts. Untill it is explicitly stated, or much more information on what currently composes the crew in the fleet (as of the second Cylon occupation), it is not possible to say X people died in the destruction of Cloud Nine Et Al.
::: Also, I mean argument in the debate sense, not the 'you stupid idiot' kinda sense. [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 21:19, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== Where should this error go? ==
When we see it parked on the surface of New Caprica, [[Colonial One]] was missing the Colonial/presidential seal that we've seen before on its port side. Nobody would have scraped it off the hull. I know the people down there are desperate for resources, but ''paint chips''? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:56, 12 March 2006 (EST)
:Well the real answer is that they crew just plain old forgot to put it in the model, but forcontinuity's sake, it could be hypothesized that someone discontent with the Baltar Administration scraped off the seal in the middle of the night as if to say 'this man isn't fit to have the presidential seal on his office/spaceship.' --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 13:18, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::I'd prefer to eschew the fanwankery and note it as the continuity glitch it is. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:28, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:::'Fanwankery'? It is completely plausible that what I said ''might'' have happened, so how can you conclude that it was a glitch. There are many ways paint like that could have come off. Perhaps when they painted the seal on Colonial One they used a paint not suitable for atmospheric re-entry and it got burned off. Maybe there is some sort of corrosive rain on the plannet that solubilizes lower quality paint. Perhaps Baltar didn't like the design on the seal. The point is that even though it was most likely a continuity glitch it is not ''nesscearily'' one. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::[[Wikipedia:Fanwank|Fanwank]]. It's my new favorite word. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 12 March 2006 (CST)
:: Eh, people... can we stop analyzing why the seal isn't on ''Colonial One''? It's more than likely a CGI glitch -- nothing more. Anything else is just <s>unhealthy obsession. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:43, 12 March 2006 (CST)</s> Correction: Extremely Unheatlthy and Unproductive Obsession. Thanks SV. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:24, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::: Um, Joe...we're a bunch of geeks spending our time creating an encyclopedia for a TV show. We're all '''about''' unhealthy obsession, aren't we? That said, this particular debate '''is''' pointless and silly. If there's a real story-based reason for the seal being missing, we'll eventually find out what it is. If there isn't (which is most likely), we won't. Making one up is silly. Fanfic is one thing, but this crack can be easily walked over; it doesn't have to be filled in with crap :-)--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:28, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:::: On one of David Eick's video blogs (my apologies that I can't remember which one or even if it were Ron Moore's), it is stated that there were 2 mock-ups of Colonial One done in CGI and used and reused in the show, one bearing the presidential seal, and one not. And if you look closely as they reuse footage, in various episodes during the season, the seal isn't present on Colonial One. You can't fandangle this obvious glitch. It is jus that, a production glitch that only the most hard-core Scifi nuts would worry about. Ok, I did notice it too. :) --[[User:StrayCat0|StrayCat0]] 23:48, 13 March 2006 (CST)

== 6's credits voiceover ==
Should it be part of this episode? It seems that there is no discussion of it here or anywhere else. -- [[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 14:426, 12 March 2006 (EST)
:That was a commercial for Season 3, not part of this episode. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 13:54, 12 March 2006 (CST)

== Firefly connection ==

Greenleaf and Persephone; both were planets in Firefly. I noticed the Greenleaf back in Sacrifice, but this episode was the first time that I saw or heard Persephone. It's a nice little homage to Firefly, if it was even on purpose. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 15:20, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:No. You are grasping at straws. "Persephone" is a very generic, widely known Greco-Roman type name, and we only see it on a list briefly. As for "Greenleaf", it has been mentioned like 3 times in dialog, but this is in fact a reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings (both Firefly and Lord of the Rings appear to have named something after Legolas, independently of each other). However, that doesn't mean we should make a note saying "wow, both Firefly and BSG have a planet named Greenleaf"...because literally HUNDREDS of other books and tv shows have named stuff in homage to LOTR. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:: Just to clarify, Merv must've meant that "both Firefly and <del>Lord of the Rings</del> [Battlestar] named something after Legolas." Easy-to-make thought-o. I just didn't want anyone to complain at Merv that he didn't know what he was talking about. Now... This could be an homage to Tolkien, or it could just be a cool name. Has it been mentioned in any blog or podcast or whatever, that anyone knows of? I am always wary of saying this or that is a nod to something else unless it's painfully obvious (like the appearance of ''Serenity'' in the Miniseries). --[[User:Day|Day]] 00:58, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== We'll Be Back ==

Before the fleet jumps away, Adm. Adama announces, in McArthuresque fashion, that "We'll be back." So, I was floored to
notice on the podcast for this episode (which I just got around to listening to) that Ron Moore offhandedly mentioned that Edward James Olmos would not be returning for season three. Did anyone else catch that? It was around 25 minutes into the podcast.
--[[User:TomP|TomP]] 1:22, 13 March 2006 (EST)

:It was a JOKE. They were DRUNK. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 13 March 2006 (CST)

::Also, the Chief and Colonel Tigh got married offscreen in this episode, and Season 3 starts off 5 years in the future ;) --[[Bahamut|Bahamut]] 03:22, 13 March 2006 (CST)

:::But they did not say this bit about Olmos in the same manner or even quite the same time-frame. Also, they were clearly joking about the "CGI Adama", but not necessarily about Olmos not coming back. I have listened to this segment a few times now... It doesn't strike me as a joke. --[[User:stealthboy|stealthboy]]

:::: It's possible that this was an inadvertant leak, but usually, if that sort of major cast change was going to happen, there'd be a lot more hubub about it, and that is the only place I've seen it mentioned. Every bit of news so far for S3 is that the cast is being augmented (with Lucy Lawless slated to show up several times as Number Three, and presumably Dean Stockwell as Cavil), but not reduced, and certainly not by one of its headliners. SciFi's [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893 blurb about S3] from a couple days ago still mentions Olmos as a star. I think we have to assume that this is a red herring.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:53, 13 March 2006 (CST)

::::That's because you're American and don't understand or appreciate irony. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 19:55, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Caprica Six or Gina? ==

The article says:

Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon?
* Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely.

However, couldn't it actually be Gina, and not Caprica-Six? From what we've seen in ''Downloaded'', I doubt the "war heroes" would join the Cylon fleet, let alone try to enslave humanity. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 08:46, 13 March 2006 (CST)

* Gina was direclty proximate to a thermonuclear explosion, and there's no Resurrection Ship currently afloat. Chances are that Gina's instance of Number Six will not be back.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:13, 13 March 2006 (CST)

:: I assert that it cannot possibly be Gina. In order for it to have been Gina, there would have had to've been a second Res Ship (which is possible, though speculation) and it would have had to've been near enough to New Caprica to pick up Gina's signal (which is presumably transmited in the instant of death). However, if that had happenned, she'd have woken up in a vat somewhere and told the other Cylons what she'd been doing. They wouldn't have needed to rely on an accidental discovery of radiation from Gina's explosion to find the Fleet. As for whether or not Boomer and Caprica-Six would "join the Cylon fleet": I think that this is a new fleet, not the same one that's been harrying our heros the entire series to date. I think that fleet was recalled to wherever (the Cylon homeworld, maybe) and a new expedition, with a different intent, was put together. It might be largely the same ships, even, but it's not the same fleet, ideologically, since it's a "pretection" fleet so that the Cylons can "love" the freedom out of us. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:05, 14 March 2006 (CST)

== Questions Section ==
It seems like we have a problem with the "Questions" section of the episode guides. Modeled after the Lurker's Guide to B5 (a resource that I STILL use, whenever I rewatch the series on DVD), the "Questions" seems to be modeled after the [http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/guide/012.html#UQ "Unanswered Questions"] on the Lurker's guide. Now, we're not bound to that by any means, and the episode summary information that we provide is great. However, the "Questions" section seems to become more of a "Questions and Answers" or a "Questions and Speculation", or sometimes a "Questions and Terse Verbal Combat". Ideally I'd like to see some sort of a standard upheld to the questions section so that they would have uniform quality.

One possible suggestion (following the "Oppose, propose" principle), would be moving confirmed, canonical answers to the analysis or notes section. A question with an answer in a subsequent episode might remain, with a link to the episode that answers it. What I'm mainly referring removing to are questions that were answered with information from within that episode (or a prior episode, or the podcast). If the question has already been answered, it's not really an "unanswered question" for that episode.

I just hate seeing the animosity that can be generated from the Q&A process marring the main article space (rather than discussing it in the talk pages, or on a messageboard). Also, it's not that I want to stifle all speculation. I know that our "encyclopedic" standard for most articles can feel pretty restrictive to some. However I do want it to be clear to a new reader what sections are encyclopedic, and which sections may contain speculation. I'm not trying to single anybody out. I'm just trying to clarify the purpose of the section, and see what everybody feels. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:53, 13 March 2006 (CST)

: Lurker's Guide has always rocked my world, too!

: As to your points: as I recall, the B5LG's 'Unanswered Questions' section actually never changed once it was written (well, OK, maybe it got added to, but not subtracted from). The idea behind the section was, "These are the questions this episode raises and does not answer by itself." In a tight arc story like B5, it's useful to have a record of those even when the answers eventually show up in later episodes.

: My feelings run something like this:
# If a question is raised and not answered in the episode, it belongs in the Questions section on the encylopedic page.
# If a question is raised and someone else realises it's actually answered in the episode, it might make sense to add the answer after the question, but it probably makes more sense to move both the question and the answer to the Talk page.
# If a question is answered in a later episode, the analysis for that episode should note that the event hearkens back to an earlier open plot point, and perhaps the original page should be edited to point forward to the answer, but the answer itself should not be edited into the page for the episode that posed the question.
# Debates and discussion have no place on the encylopedic pages; only on the talk pages. So if there's any dispute, the whole thing should be moved over.

: I'm a fanboy, and I like occasionally delving into speculation as much as any other fanboy, but it belongs on the talk pages, not the encylopedic ones, IMO.
--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 12:04, 13 March 2006 (CST)

: Concur. Actually, when I tackled the questions portions of earlier episodes, I would alays post a link to the question's "answer". For instance, from "[[Water]]"'s page:

:*Why do the Cylons want to keep Helo on Caprica? ([[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II|Answer 1]], [[The Farm|Answer 2]])

: This presents a cleaner look than:

:*Question 1?
::* Possibility 1.
:::* Sub-Possibility/Retort
::* Possibility 2.

: Plus, if you will note, the questions section on the earlier eps is a lot cleaner and orderly than our most recent entries. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 13:04, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::I recognize part of that is the wiki-magic at work. The newest episode always gets a lot of traffic, and you end up with the "too many cooks" effect, to some extent. This will probably sort itself out in the long run, as people begin to whittle away and classify/sort/clean all the stuff that has been added. I was just thinking it might be a good idea to quantify this concept into the comment that goes at the beginning of the questions section in the Episode Guide template (so that people can ignore it, and things can continue the way they work anyway). Mostly I'm just glad that I'm not the only one. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:12, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::: So, do we start going through and cleaning things up to fit these criteria?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 13:56, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::::Just want to add that I agree with all of you, and thank you for tackling this issue. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:48, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::::I would proceed to add this bit on the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]] page. Then get to work. So say we all. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:27, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::::: I've taken the liberty of adding a clarified (I hope :-) ) version of the guidelines I propose above to the [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions|Standards and Conventions]].--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 17:03, 13 March 2006 (CST)
:::::: Nicely done! The new S&C stuff is concise, and descriptive. The questions section looks a lot better! I still don't like the all the multiple levels of bullets in the (newly moved to) analysis section. If we could make that more narrative-ish (hey look, I'm inventing words) and less bulleted it might look cleaner. Thanks for tackling that! --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 20:25, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::::::: Actually, I've been wondering why we use bullet-point rather than narrative style in general :-) The synoposes, in particular....--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 22:23, 13 March 2006 (CST)
::::::::I also agree that removing the direct response to questions make it cleaner, but some identifier may be needed in the analysis sections to link question to response. Short of that, nicely done! --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 01:10, 15 March 2006 (CST)
:::::::::I thought about that, actually, flipped a coin and decided against it. When I made similar changes to Part I, I decided in fact to simply remove any question for which an answer could be provided in analysis, and to use analysis as a way of highlighting points that are answered in the episode but may be obscure. I'm not sure this is really what "Analysis" should be for in the long run, but "Notes" is already very crowded on these pages. One disaster at a time is my motto: clean up "Questions" for now, find adequate if not perfect homes for answers that are built from evidence in the episode, delete rampant speculation, and move on, resolving to clean up the rest later.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 09:55, 15 March 2006 (CST)
== Adama's Inferno ==
By allowing Baltar to be president and the resulting events, Adama has (unintentionally) create a Dante's Inferno, a crucible lesson and test that if humans can pass and survive, may mean we are worthth of survival. He didn't overthrow the election because of the questions of "worthy of survival" This idea is what has drove him the last half of the season. I hope this makes some sense? --[[User:Gougef:FrankieGouge]] 15 March 2006 10:30 PM EST
:I'm not entirely sure I'm comfortable with the idea that Adama is consciously 'testing' humanity in this way, but I can certainly believe it's a part of his unconscious motivations. On a more practical, political, and risky note, he may have realised that the only way to expose Baltar for the loony he was to let him take charge and then fail, and hope that there was little damage his failure could do in the long term, compared the damage that had already been done. Of course, that gamble didn't count on the Cylons finding them....--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 21:09, 15 March 2006 (CST)

== quotes are inconsistant ==

some have quote marks around them, some don't. some are a different structure. maybe someone with authority should decide on a structure and clean that up. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 02:14, 16 March 2006 (CST)
: This is discussed on [[Battlestar Wiki:Standards and Conventions]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:31, 17 March 2006 (CST)

== Massive Reedit on 5/12/06 ==

This article was filled with inconsistencies in conventions, and was also far too large. To bring the page below 32kb, I've removed the blog entry (leaving the link), excessive quotes, and truncated and trimmed many comments and summaries, particularly those redundant with entries already on other articles.

Please remember to follow wiki conventions (except for verb tense) throughout this and similiar articles in Analysis and other related subarticles of an episode page. Do not write responses to analyses in conversational/argumentative format; make your comments neutral in voice and try to fit the response to give the article a uniform voice. Otherwise the article appears to be less encyclopaedic and more bi-polar (talking to itself). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:32, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
: Kudos! Good work! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]]</sup> 12:49, 12 May 2006 (CDT)
: Excellent. I've been insanely busy lately and have obviously missed some developments (I note the change in the sources policy in the banner, now, for example). I'm hoping to get back to helping with editorial duties soon.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 17:15, 12 May 2006 (CDT)

==Link to Missing Pic==

In the Notes, section that is a link to a non-existing pic of the blackboard in the school. I can't seem to find it. Also, I have saw trivia at other websites that there was a diagram of a wormhole which may be of interest. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:17, 22 September 2006 (CDT)

== Baltars internal six at the inauguration scene ==

In the scene when Adm. Adama steps forward and Baltar says "You have your order", is that Baltars internal six standing at the left side of the screen? In a black dress with crossed arms? --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 09:59, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

Talk:Grace Park/Archive 1

2007-02-24T21:45:45Z

Akagi: Glas eye

==Stuff thats wrong==
*The birthday is probably wrong [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Grace_Park_(actress)#Grace_Park.27s_age]. [http://www.graceparknews.com/bio.html] says April 8th 1980. imdb and tv.com say march 6 but that is the same day as the golfer Grace Park's birthday. What are the odds? It's prolly a mix up. Maybe it should be removed until someone can prove it.
*everything else was fixed by steelviper
--[[User:Bp|Bp]] 16:39, 21 March 2006 (CST)
**I have read in interviews that Grace Park and Katee Sackhoff have the same birthday, but I don't know what the date was. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 23:29, 21 March 2006 (CST)
:::So april 8th then. imdb and tv.com are wrong. same year tho? btw: april 8th is my birthday too. strange. --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 02:12, 22 March 2006 (CST)
:::: On June 5, 2006, Bradley Thompson heard Grace state that her birthdate is March 14, 1974. [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:10, 14 June 2006 (CDT)
:::::Thanks. I've placed your post on [[Sources:Grace Park]] --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:42, 14 June 2006 (CDT)

== Glas eye ==

I found an interview about "Command & Conquer 3" that states that Grace Park has a glas eye:

"...JK: I was in charge of Tricia Helfer's hair and makeup. And I polished her boots between takes. I was not, however, flown to Hawaii to assist on Josh Holloway's shoot. Apparently, they let just anyone polish his boots. Grace Park has a glass eye (not a lot of people know that), and it was my job to make sure it was pointing in the right direction when she spoke directly into the camera. There's nothing more disconcerting to an experienced gamer than to get a briefing from an actor with a wonky eye!..."

[http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/commandconquer3/news.html?sid=6166007 Gamespot Interview with Joe Kucan]

Senior Staff of Galactica

2007-02-24T10:29:03Z

Akagi:

=Present Senior Staff=
===CIC===
*Admiral [[William Adama]] - Commanding Officer
*Colonel [[Saul Tigh]] - [[Executive Officer]]
*Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] - [[Tactical officer]], Senior Officer of the Watch
*Lieutenant [[Hoshi]] - [[Communications Officer]]
*Lieutenant [[Anastasia Dualla]]

===Air Group===
*Major [[Lee Adama]] - CAG ([[CAG|Commander, Air Group]])
*Captain [[Kara Thrace]]
*Captain [[Karl Agathon]]
*Lieutenant [[Margaret Edmondson]]
*Lieutenant [[Sharon Agathon]]

===Support===
*Major [[Cottle]] - [[Chief Medical Officer]]
*Captain Aaron Kelly - [[Landing Signal Officer]], Second Officer
*Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]] - Chief of the Deck
*Gunnery Sergeant [[Erin Mathias]] - Senior [[Marine]] NCO

=Position Histories=
===Commanding Officer===
* Commander William Adama ([[Mini-Series]] to [[Scattered]])
* Colonel Saul Tigh - Assumed command after assasination attempt on Commander Adama ([[Scattered]] to [[The Farm]])
* Commander William Adama - Re-assumed command after recovering from injuries ([[The Farm]] to [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
* Admiral William Adama - Promoted by President [[Roslin]] ([[Resurrection Ship, Part II]] to Present)

===Executive Officer===
* Colonel Saul Tigh ([[Mini-Series]] to [[Scattered]])
* Captain Arron Kelly - Assumed position upon Colonel Tigh assuming command ([[Scattered]] to [[The Farm]])
* Colonel Saul Tigh - Re-assumed postion after Commander Adama returned to duty ([[The Farm]] to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Captain Karl Agathon - Promoted by Admiral Adama after Colonel Tigh relocates to New Caprica ([[Occupation]] to [[Unfinished Business]])
* Colonel Saul Tigh - Re-assumed postion ([[The Passage]] to Present)

===Tactical officer===
* Lieutenant Felix Gaeta ([[Mini-Series]] to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Captain Karl Agathon - Promoted by Admiral Adama after Lt. Gaeta relocates to New Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Unknown - Capatain Agathon is promoted to XO ([[Occupation]] to [[The Passage]])
* Lieutenant Felix Gaeta ([[The Passage]] to Present)

===Communications Officer===
*Petty Officer 2nd Class Anastasia Dualla ([[Mini-Series]] to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Unknown - Petty Officer Dualla is promoted to XO of [[battlestar]] [[Pegasus (RSM)|''Pegasus'']] ([[Occupation]] to [[Exodus, Part II]])
*Lieutenant Hoshi ([[Collaborators]] to Present)

===Commander, Air Group===
* Major [[Jackson Spencer]] ([[Miniseries]])
* Captain Lee Adama - Promoted after the death of Major Spencer ([[Miniseries]] to [[The Captain's Hand]])
* Captain [[George Birch]] - Temporary replacement for Lee Adama ([[Home, Part I]])
* Captain Kara Thrace - Assumes position after Captain Adama is promoted to CO of battlestar ''Pegasus''([[The Captain's Hand]] to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Captain [[Louanne Katraine]] - Assumes position after Captain Thrace relocates to New Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] to [[Collaborators]])
* Major Lee Adama ([[Torn]] to Present with the exception of demotion in [[The Passage]])
* Captain Louanne Katraine - Posthumous and symbolic promotion ([[The Passage]])

===Chief Medical Officer===
* Major Cottle ([[Miniseries]] to Present with the exception of his relocation to New Caprica)
* Unknown ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] to [[Exodus, Part II]])

===Chief of the Deck===
* Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol ([[Miniseries]] to Present with the exception of his relocation to New Caprica)
* [[Peter Laird]] - Chief Tyrol replaced by battlestar ''Pegasus'' Deck Chief Laird by Admiral [[Helena Cain|Cain]] ([[Pegasus]] to [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]])
* Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol - Laird reassigned to ''Pegasus'' by Admiral Adama ([[Epiphanies]] to [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])
* Unknown - Relocates to New Caprica ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] to [[Exodus, Part II]])
* Chief Petty Officer Galen Tyrol ([[Collaborators]] to Present)

Battle of New Caprica

2007-01-28T12:42:25Z

Akagi: Link German version.

{{Battle Data
| name=Battle of New Caprica
| image=BONC.jpg
| description=
| conflict=[[Cylon Attack|Second Cylon War]]
| date=
| place=Near [[New Caprica]] space; on New Caprica
| result=Successful retrieval of [[The Fleet (RDM)|the Fleet]], deposition of the [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] administration, [[Hera]] is captured by Cylons
| combatant1=Remnants of the [[Colonial Fleet]]
| combatant2=[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]
| co1=Admiral [[William Adama]], Commander [[Lee Adama]], Colonel [[Saul Tigh]], Former President [[Laura Roslin]]
| co2=[[Basestar command]]
| strength1=Battlestars ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' and '' [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'',<br/> [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]],<br/> Resistance team and associated Colonial [[Marines]]
| strength2=Four [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]], associated [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raiders]], [[Heavy Raider]]s,<br/> Ground occupation forces and associated <br/>[[Cylon Centurion]]s
| shiploss1=Battlestar ''Pegasus'',<br/> several civilian ships <br/>(off screen),<br/>Heavy damage to ''Galactica''
| shiploss2=At least three basestars<br/>Moderate damage to 1 basestar
| casualties1=Approximately 2000<ref>This number is calculated from all available population data. See the "Precipice" and "Collaborators" section of [[Survivor count]] for the details.</ref><br>
| casualties2=Unknown, Heavy
| prev=[[Battle of the Binary Star System]]
| next=[[Battle of NCD2539]]
| rdm=y
}}
[[Galactica type battlestar|Battlestar]] ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' launches a daring mission to occupy the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon force's]] attention as the majority of the Colonial citizens escape from Cylon occupation on [[New Caprica]].

Greatly outnumbered, Admiral [[William Adama]] enacts an elaborate plan that relies on a squadron of [[Raptor]]s (with a [[Viper (RDM)|Viper]] escort squadron) to fire a series of [[swallow]]s that collectively mimic the EM signatures of the Colonial battlestars. After firing the swallows, the Raptors retreat, luring several [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Cylon Raiders]] further from the fight. The Cylons are deceived temporarily by the false readings.

On [[New Caprica]], [[Samuel Anders]] and the resistance team detonate dozens of bombs in key Cylon structures as a feigned attack by Colonial forces. The people evacuate per their fire-drill training, but escape to the various grounded ships of the [[The Fleet (RDM)|Fleet]], which prepare their engines and [[FTL]] drives to depart. Many people, however, become pinned down by [[Cylon Centurion|Centurion]] fire.

Admiral Adama performs an extremely risky move. He orders ''Galactica'' to conduct an intra-atmosphere jump, escaping the detection of the [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]]. While in freefall, it launches [[Blue Squadron (RDM)|Blue Squadron]]. Blue Squadron performs hit-and-run attacks on the Cylons on the ground, those in [[Guard towers|observation towers]], interdicts the few Raiders operating near the surface, and eliminates the main gates of the shipyard where the grounded civilian ships are kept. Before the battlestar impacts the surface, ''Galactica'' performs a second jump back into space. Stress from the vibration and heat of entry have heavily taxed the structure of the battlestar.

Soon, the two basestars move on ''Galactica'' without any fighter support as their Raiders are engaged elsewhere. ''Galactica''’s mission analysis had predicted that only two [[Basestar (RDM)|basestars]] would engage ''Galactica''. However, two more basestars jump into the vicinity and four basestars converge to attack the battlestar.

With the Vipers destroying targets on the ground and in the air in vicinity of New Caprica City, the civilians previously pinned down are able to board their ships. Simultaneously, Colonial [[Marines]] and resistance members assault the [[New Caprica Detention Center|detention center]], freeing [[Kara Thrace]] and other detainees.

The Cylons in charge on the ground realize the ground situation is lost and escape in a Heavy Raider as they task [[Number Three]] with setting off a nuclear detonation to "clean up."

Before long, ''Galactica's'' FTL drives and maneuvering thrusters are disabled, and the port side of the ship reaches its structural limits. Upon hearing that the FTL drive was disabled, Admiral Adama tells his crew, "Then that's it. It's been an honor." Battlestar ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' then arrives with its forward batteries blazing, scoring several hits that severely damage or destroy one basestar. Commander [[Lee Adama]] orders his battlestar towards the basestars to give ''Galactica'' time to repair its FTL drive and escape. Meanwhile, most of the civilian ships become airborne and jump away.

Commander Adama directs his ship to a position between the basestars targeting ''Galactica'', in an effort to draw fire away from her. Admiral Adama infers from the absence of Vipers from ''Pegasus'' that its Vipers are guarding the remaining ships of the Fleet at the rendezvous point and that ''Pegasus'' is on a one-way trip. While ''Pegasus'' "was taking a hell of a pounding," the crew of ''Galactica'' is able to bring its FTL back on line. Admiral Adama immediately orders his crew to land its birds and prepare to jump.

With ''Pegasus'' taking phenomenal damage, Commander Adama orders all hands to abandon ship, using standby Raptors to jump away from the battle. He ensures that the weapons were set to autofire and that the ship is on a collision course with one of the basestars before departing. The damaged, unmanned ''Pegasus'' collides into one basestar, destroying both. The remnants of ''Pegasus''’s starboard [[flight pod]] collides with another of the remaining basestars, destroying it.

''[[Colonial One]]'' is the last Colonial ship to leave the planet, with [[Laura Roslin]] back in her old chair in place of the deposed president, Gaius Baltar ([[Exodus, Part II]]). On the surface, the Cylons' planned nuclear detonation (which would be of questionable tactical value now that the Colonials have left the planet) does not occur.

__NOTOC__
== Battle Imagery ==
=== Raptors and Vipers ===
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</gallery>
=== ''Galactica'''s Surprise Attack ===
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Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere.jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(2).jpg|
Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_(3).jpg|
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Image:Galactica_in_Atmosphere_FTLing_(2).jpg|
</gallery>
=== ''Pegasus’s'' Suicide Run ===
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</gallery>

==References==
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[[de:Schlacht von Neu Caprica]]

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Talk:Downloaded/Archive 1

2007-01-20T22:27:58Z

Akagi: Origin of Boomers photo

If this episode has been dropped so Resurrection can be split into two, then aren't we still missing an episode? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 00:06, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:Yes. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 21 November 2005 (EST)

:: I've heard new rumors that this ISN'T the Cylon POV episode; that this episode covers the fate of Galactica-Sharon, but the "totally" Cylon POV episode was another one entirely. There may be hope yet. Besides, I think at the least Lawless has actually filmed scenes for it; I don't know if the one that was scrapped ever went past script phase.

:::RDM says in the downloaded that this '''is''' the cylon POV episode. Plus, theres no time left for one this season, the season finale starts next week. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 17:52, 26 February 2006 (EST)

However, new developments: I got a link to a scan of the February edition of Scifi Magazine, in which they answer questions from the official messageboard: http://pics.livejournal.com/reedfem/pic/0008a1hf ---->I can't tell if Grace Park is being SARCASTIC or if she was serious. (BTW, like 5 of these questions are from me, notably the Blade Runner one, the Geena Davis one, and the "new evil Sharon?" one). --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 12:51, 5 December 2005 (EST)
::For those interested, the full set of scans can be found here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/reedfem/158883.html?page=1 --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:34, 5 December 2005 (EST)

Hmm, I'm pretty sure I saw a copy of Simon in the cafe on Caprica. I'm removing the "possibly archival footage" thing. --[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:24, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:They're saying it was a body double on TWOP. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:27, 24 February 2006 (EST)

::It's possible it might have been a different actor. What does TWOP stand for? --[[User:Mojorising1985|Mojorising1985]] 23:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:::http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:35, 24 February 2006 (EST)

This episode was very good. I have one problem with it: Not Enough Leoben Conoy. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:37, 24 February 2006 (EST)

:Yeah, I was suprised we didn't see him on Caprica. I mean, they even had Simon (or at least who I believe is Simon).

:Someone claimed Leoben was on Caprica: where? I did not see him, though I will rewatch it. I will delete this info until it can be confirmed. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 00:58, 25 February 2006 (EST)

::You're totally right... he wasn't there. Not sure why, but he wasn't. [[User:Drumstick|Drumstick]] 01:05, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:::The TWOPers found a body double wearing his miniseries costume [http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9672/cap0118pd.png here]. ([http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3136156&view=findpost&p=4607381 link to post]) --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:14, 25 February 2006 (EST)
*He was there. He walked by 6 several times, and was sitting in the cafe. You don't see his face because they couldn't get the actor. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:15, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Blade Runner reference
I about fell off the couch when the cylons were referred to as "skin jobs"--George w chomsky

:Trust me, they know that we know. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 02:16, 25 February 2006 (EST)

Is it really Apollo in the picture of the Galactica crew that Sharon holds in her appartment? Because it's so small I can't be sure. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 05:30, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Yes, it is Apollo. The picture is from a scene of the episode "[[Water]]", after Boomer found water and returned to ''Galactica''. Practically this picture cannot exist. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 16:27, 20 January 2007 (CST)

Can we get Roslin's "if I wanted to airlock a baby..." comment in the dialogue section? (both for its hilarity and the likelihood of it coming up later) I'd do it myself but I don't have a tape for the exact wording. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 14:09, 25 February 2006 (EST)

:Added that quote. Maybe these two questions should be added as well, but I'd like to know how others think about it: - Why did Roslin eventually decide to have the baby adopted instead of killing it? Why Was Baltar not notified of the baby being kept alive? Roslin never shared her suspicions of Baltar being a Cylon sympathizer. Were Admiral Adama and Col. Tigh even notified of this? --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 16:26, 25 February 2006 (EST)
:Check the Analysis sections: Roslin has no real "evidence" against Baltar, so she's not going to bring her suspicions into the open yet. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:48, 25 February 2006 (EST)
::That's my point, really. Roslin didn't even inform her vice-president. Even if she's doing it because of the presidential elections it wouldn't make sense, because Baltar seems opposed to abortion (and so he could use the accusation of Roslin being a baby killer against her).... --[[User:Gen00b|Gen00b]] 06:01, 26 February 2006 (EST)
:::Actually, I think Roslin didn't tell Baltar far more because she suspects he's involved with the Cylons, than because she's worried about the election. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:59, 2 March 2006 (CST)

After viewing the episode I have one serious question, where did they get a "fake" baby to fool Sharon 2 and Helo? A parent would notice if the body wasn't their own child. While a friend of mine suggested body used was resultant of the offscreen abortion from "The Captains Hand", this wouldn't work, as that fetus was only 4 months along, and would have been far less developed, and only 1/3rd the size (approx.) of baby Hera. Is their a master Wax Sculpter somewhere in the fleet?--[[User:Strato|Strato]]

:I don't think there's a canonical answer yet (and there may never be one). Some people have speculated that they use the baby of Hera's new adoptive mother (who mentioned that she had recently lost a child). At any rate, I think at this point they're all guesses (though the [[fumarella leaf]] origami theory hasn't gained much headway recently). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 2 March 2006 (CST)

==Lucy Lawless character's name==
Last episode, she was "D'Anna Biers"; this episode we find out that her Cylon name is "Number Three". In dialog, she actually constantly refers to herself as "Three" "Number Three", etc. (well, they don't actually say "Number" aloud, but still). The scifi.com episode guide credits her for "Downloaded" as "D'Anna" but I think that's just miscommunication/they're easing into calling her "Number Three". Either way, I think we here on the wiki consider her "Number Three" now more because A) it is cooler, B) individual Cylons can have fake human names, but this refers to the individual, not the model. I.e. "Galactica-Three" = D'anna, but other Threes do not. Thoughts?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:42, 2 March 2006 (CST)
: I see you noticed my change. :) My thought on this was that we should refer to the specific character (i.e. the model with Galactica's fleet) as D'anna. ALl others should be Three or Number Three (the single number would bemore preferable). I liked how in the beginning of the episode synopsis she is referred to by her "D'anna" guise, but as soon as we find out her model number, she's referred to by that exclusively. It lets our reader know that THIS was the moment of change. [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 14:53, 2 March 2006 (CST)
::Yes, that's what I intended when I wrote it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 14:55, 2 March 2006 (CST)
:::An excellent plan... [[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 15:00, 2 March 2006 (CST)

== Cars inside the parking lot ==

About the cars parked on the building, one of them is a DS, of course, but I think that the one that is seen on the left when you see the parking the first time is a Citroen SM. You can compere the car on the movie (21:15 inside the chapter, without commercials) with this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_P6 and this other http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroen_SM. As you can see, P6 wing is narrower on the side that is close to the front door. Front doors of both cars are very similar, of course. There is another car at the right of the DS, parked in a shadow zone, that could be the P6, but I'm not sure. you can have a better look at it at 24:48. About the 3 headlamp thingie (4 cars parked there?) I don't remember to have seen it on the citroen prototype pictures I have seen (you can see a lot of them at http://62.95.94.132/gallery/Citroen-Conservatoire). Front side of the car looks like VW Beetle. Of course there was a Citroen 2CV prototype with central headlamp, but it has only one headlamp, not three. --[[User:citroengs|Joaquin Gallardo]] 0:43, 3 March 2006 (CET)

The 3 headlamp vehicle seems most likely to ba a Tatra 87 as displayed here:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatra_(car)

Perhaps they thought that if there were European cars they would look Alien! --[[User:Grafix|Grafix]] 14:22, 21 March 2006 (CST)

:That's not too far from the [[Podcast:Downloaded#Act 2|truth]]. They sort of got the idea from GATTACA. (It's nice to be able to cite a transcribed podcast). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:36, 21 March 2006 (CST)

== Sharon is handcuffed to the resurrection tub ==

Did you notice that sharon is actually handcuffed to the resurrection tub, while number six is not?--Thomask77
:Yes, most likely because Sharon was a sleeper agent and they thought she'd take the shock of downloading and being a Cylon a little bad....which, what with all the screaming, is exactly what happened. She could have done more danage if not restrained. Makes sense entirely, not a goof.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:58, 3 March 2006 (CST)

==Cylons and Age==
Philwelch writes:
:Based on the assumption that model number corresponds with age, Leoben Conoy — whose age is close to that of D'anna Biers — is probably Number Two or Number Four, while Simon is likely either Number Four or Number Seven.

I removed this because I don't consider this a productive or interesting line of questioning - we just don't have enough data to make that age assumption. If it turns at that Brother Cyvill is #2 or something, then your argument would be bolstered enough to revisit (in my opinion), but at present, we really have no reason to believe it. Cylon copies are clearly created fully grown anyway - if they wanted to make a copy of #11 as an old man, it stands to reason that they could do it just as easily as making #6 a fully grown woman. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:31, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:The idea of Cylon model number corresponding with apparent age isn't anything I made up, it's plainly in the Analysis section already. If we already have that idea in the Analysis, I see no reason *not* to use it for further speculation. You're being inconsistent. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 16:50, 4 March 2006 (CST)

:As for "not enough data", as the Analysis says, Number Three is apparently older than Number Five, who appears older than Number Six, who appears older than Number Eight. That's four confirming data points. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 16:55, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::They are all fairly young, in their 20s and 30s. This does not indicate a strong correlation to me. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:52, 4 March 2006 (CST)

::And what if TPTB completely go against this speculative convention and cast a teenager as Number Two, or cast someone Dr. Cottle's age (or, worse, Dr. Cottle!) as Number Ten? Where will your theory stand? I don't see the Article Page as being the locale for speculation and conjecture... that's what this Talk page is for. Let the series unravel as the writers write it, and let's take it in enjoyably, rather than galavanting off on theories that are tentatively founded at best, and the writers are under no obligation to uphold. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 11:48, 5 March 2006 (CST)

:::If we're not allowed to speculate, than let's go back and delete most of the Analysis and Questions sections. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 14:59, 5 March 2006 (CST)

: I think people are forgetting that we are talking about ''Cylons'' here, not humans. Age has nothing to do with it; being as that may, I honestly doubt the Cylons have a gerontocracy here. It is far more likely that the whole number scheme is what model was first off the production line, which makes logical sense from the Cylon POV. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:27, 5 March 2006 (CST)

::There's still *apparent* age--Boomer appears to be a 22-24 year old woman while Leoben Conoy appears to be in his late 30's. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:38, 5 March 2006 (CST)

:::That doesn't make any difference at all. In fact, the actor who portrays Leoben Conoy (Number ?a) is the oldest of the KCA (Known Cylon Agents) at 45/46. The actor portraying Simon (Number ?b) is 38/39... and just months older than Lucy Lawless at 37/38 (and Lucy Lawless has a bod & appearance that can put most 22-year-olds to shame). So, based on your theory, that ''forces'' the storyline to put Leoben Conoy at Number 2 (or 1) and Simon at ... wow. Will you look at that? Where ''do'' you put Simon in this, based on the idea that he's older than Number 3?
:::I'm not saying that you're/we're ''not allowed'' to speculate, I'm just of the emphatic opinion that it's counterproductive and unnecessary. This isn't "our" series, it's the writers' series, to do with as they warrant. I don't think half of the Analysis and Questions material on the episode pages should be there, but the moderators of this Wiki feel it should be there, so who am I to defy them? The basis of the Wiki is to make sure the information is '''''right''''', not who is right first, whether in speculation or fact. And, the only source of "right-ness" is the writers... and they don't feel it necessary to divulge this information yet. No amount of speculation, conjecture, or deduction on our parts is going to change that. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:11, 6 March 2006 (CST)

== Cylon Models Present on Caprica ==

I removed the following entry/question from the Question section:
: <font style="color: #bfbfbf">Why does Caprica only have 4 cylon models on it? Would you not expect all 12 models to be cohabitating the planet?</font>

Firstly, the question in and of itself is incorrect, because there are 5 models seen (in fact, RDM insinuates that all 6 models are visible by using computer-generated-effects projections and composites of the two actors who could not be in attendance for the episode's shooting). Secondly, RDM goes into great length to explain that it would incise into the storyline's drama and tension to reveal the other six models of Cylon on Caprica. He concedes that it doesn't make much sense to ''not'' see all twelve models, but that it is ultimately a writer's/producer's decision for the good of the story/show. Thirdly, and with that point in mind, it is not our place to explain or conject why the other six models are not present — it might be revealed later in following episodes, or it may never be — since any answer on our parts is either unfounded, speculative, or flat-out wrong. -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:37, 6 March 2006 (CST)

I noticed in the background a white male, with a bald head. As we do not currently know of a Cylon that is bald this adds a little bit of possible speculation. Just something to think about. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)

No, that was just bad lighting/glare.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:04, 10 March 2006 (CST)

You sure about that? Hmmm, I'll have to watch the episode again, and pay more closer attention. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 00:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)

I just listened to the podcast for "Downloaded," Ron Moore confirms that it's a Simon (whichever number that is). --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 19:08, 11 March 2006 (CST)

== Count ==

I noticed the survior count has not increased at all in either this episode or Lay Down your Burdens Part I. What's up with the baby? She doesn't count?
:Cylon's don't get counted, as has been previously established, and everyone but Helo and Baltar clearly consider the baby a Cylon.--[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 16:25, 11 March 2006 (CST)
::That's probably true, but then technically the Survivor Count should have gone down by one after "[[Final Cut]]" after it was revealed that Biers was a Cylon agent and not a human survivor.
:::How do we know it ever included her in the first place? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:10, 11 March 2006 (CST)
:::The survivor count doesn't go down for civilians the Fleet doesn't know are Cylons, does it? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 08:40, 12 March 2006 (CST)
::::The count shown during the opening credits mirrored the count on the whiteboard, up until the point where Baltar removed it from his office in LDYB II. Therefore if Roslin's folk didn't know about D'anna Biers' being a Cylon then that wouldn't be reflected in the count. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:50, 12 March 2006 (CST)

Talk:The Eye of Jupiter/Archive3

2006-12-19T23:21:26Z

Akagi: Hera

I wonder if it has to do with that big red spot... *rollseyes* --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:48, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I'm more reminded of that Writer's Podcast thing, you know when they're saying "How many more times are we going to find an artifact like the Arrow of Apollo and have to search for them all? That feels like going back to the well too many times, I mean what are we going to say, "Athena has 10 sacred toenail clipping scattered across space, you have to find them all...?" :) --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 18:49, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:i'm thinking along the lines of some jewelry. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:57, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

::It sounds like a good plotline actually. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 19:05, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
:::Merv - you just made me spill forth mein coca cola whilst reading the section about the sacred toenail clippings - thats too much for 3am on a sunday morning! Still, plot looks good, just wish Season 3 would hurry up and AIR dammit! :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 21:08, 29 July 2006 (CDT)
::::No, really, they make a joke about "Athena's toenail clippings" in that writer's podcast thing. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 21:12, 29 July 2006 (CDT)

I have a few possible meanings for 'eye of Jupiter' --[[User:starryniteynite|starryniteynite]]

1) Relatively obscure name for NGC 3242, a planetary nebula (A ring of illuminated gas expanding out from a sun-like star that's exhausted its fuel, and has lost its outer layers) a few thousand light years from Earth. Most astronomers call this 'the Ghost of Jupiter' instead, though some Hubble images have used this name. Its not a very unique PN (tho it has some gas streamers we can't quite explain), but it could be used as a navigational marker like M8 (the lagoon nebula). It is a very pretty nebula :)

2) "Eye of Jupiter" was the Greek/Roman name for the sun, which lead to today's 'all seeing eye' symbol of the free masons and on the pyramid in US currency

3)Adama=Zeus=Jupiter...yes, they tend to use Greek vs. Roman names, but the titles are not always consistent with this convention, and we have also seen evidence for non Greek mythological names (Isis, for example). The rest of it could be wordplay too...'eye' might refer to someone acting as Adama's eyes, rather than his eyes literally (just as 'The captain's hand refereed to Lee acting as Gardner's XO, or his hand, rather than some captain's literal hand)

4)A reference to Jupiter's big red spot, a huge hurricane-like storm on the planet's surface. Just like the "bastille Day" title, this could reference something in the episode, but not directly...they might travel through a similar storm. This has actually been done before in the miniseries, when Galactica travels into the storm at Ragnar

5) The tried and true, ancient object meaning...just like the arrow of Apollo directly references a character, but has no link to the character himself, this could just be a pretty piece of bling..

Personally, I would love #1, but only because it'd make me 2/2 for BSG objects in my thesis and I'm a total, unabashed geek. I think its probably #2, however, and they find some sort of navigational means of finding Earth (like a picture of Earth w/ distances& directions to three pulsars or very unique objects

== Duelling Sharons ==

So did anyone else get a sense of animosity/jealousy between the two Sharons? While it seems that Boomer has accepted her place amongst the Cylons and no longer considers herself a part of the humans, it also seems that she's a bit jealous of Athena's "taking her place", if you could call it that. Likewise, it also seemed that aside from her duties as a Colonial officer, Athena's refusal to let Boomer in with Adama was also somewhat out of personal distrust, ironically the same distrust of the Cylons that her fellow Colonial colleagues have.

Also, while Boomer told Athena about Hera's condition out of possible concern of the child (possible strain of humanity left in her? Cylon imperative? Or something else?), seems to me that Boomer enjoyed bursting her "sister"'s bubble on that. Talk about sibling rivalry there.

It'll be interesting to see if there will be any further Sharon vs. Sharon confrontations in the series.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 23:55, 15 December 2006 (CST)

:It was a very, very interesting dynamic. In any other show, we would have had a knock-down dragout "catfight." You hit the nail on the head. This episode was prime stuff. And, we on the wiki should be commended: our ''Galactica'' nuke count is right on the money! (Either that, or the show is using ''us'' as a source! :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:20, 16 December 2006 (CST)

::Does that mean we can finally change the "Class-D Nuclear Warhead" to something completely different, since their nukes ''aren't'' Class-D? :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:42, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Image==
Let's find an image that actually occurs in this episode. Maybe the wide shot of Tyrol in the temple? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

Heh which one? to me it seems the Chief was a bit wide in ALL shots ; how could he gain weight while the fleet was starving? the chief definitely deserves the Lee Adama Fat-Ass trophy --[[User:Lordmutt|lordmutt]] 03:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:Maybe it was Chief, and not Dr. Cottle, that got all of Kat's energy bars from the last ep.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:25, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Did Starbuck survive?==
Horray for the carelessness of adverts! Within ten minutes we knew the answer to that one. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Aside from that, it's going to continue the cycle of Soap Opera unease there, if Dee's the one sent to go get Starbuck back. Can't wait to see the uncomfortable stares on that one, especially if (as I suspect) Dee set up Starbuck to be the "eye in the sky" '''hoping''' the Cylons would shoot her down.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Who else was supposed to fly the mission? Looks like Lee and Kara are the only two qualified pilots on the ground and Lee is needed in overall command. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:34, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Too good to be true==
When we Baltar's voice over ''Galactica'''s speaker, the closed caption actually identifies him as "Cylon over speaker". I know that's not really meant to be taken as anything, but with all the speculation, it seems like a shining goof, or maybe even someone taking a good piss out of the [[Baltar as Cylon speculation|whole thing]]. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:14, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Nuking the Planet==

Does anyone else think that the nuclear missiles have the ability to be detonated remotely, before they reach their target? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:44, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Not to mention abort code transmissions, etc. Makes you wonder if the missiles were set for "one shot, one kill" mode, where they could not be recalled.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 11:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Or perhaps the missiles can be aborted, until they reach a critical flight time. Could make for a ''very'' tense moment or two. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:51, 18 December 2006 (CST)

:Is it just me or didn't he actually give the order to fire. He said "release of nuclear weapons is now authorized". That might sound strange, but I took that to be a preliminary order to firing. For example that now even Tigh would be able to launch them on his say --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:03, 18 December 2006 (CST)
::No, you're correct on that; essentially all they were doing was opening the "barn doors". I was discussing the hypotheticals of the missiles, if they should be launched in the next ep.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 19:33, 18 December 2006 (CST)

== WTF moment ==

I was on the [[Karl Agathon]] page, updating it for this ep's news, when I came across [[:Image:Valley_of_Darkness-Starbuck_Helo.jpg|this old picture]]. Considering how Kara's painting looks and that she's religious (though not indoctrinated in any sort of clerical form, unlike Chief Tyrol's parentage), does anyone think that (in hindsight), this may have been a hint to the Eye itself?--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 12:37, 16 December 2006 (CST)
: It actually makes a lot of sense... Taking Zeus to mean Admiral Adama, and that Kara Thrace is the go-to pilot for reconnaissance missions, AND the paintings on the walls, we have a plausible theory in the works! <small>—The preceding '''unsigned''' comment was added by {{User|Alcibiades}}.</small>
: Are you kidding me?! They set this episode up a year ago! --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 19:39, 16 December 2006 (CST)
: I find it pretty hard to believe too, but that painting ''really really really'' looks like the art in the temple. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 20:41, 16 December 2006 (CST)
::Maybe they though it would be a nice idea to take that painting, put it in the Temple more than a season later, and see if we notice. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:20, 18 December 2006 (CST)
:::It's a painting in her room and part of the column in the temple. :) --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 01:31, 19 December 2006 (CST)
: So Starbuck is an artist. She paints The Eye of Jupiter. Is it a known symbol or is this the first time anyone else has seen it? If it's not well-known, what does that say about Starbuck? Doesn't it make her prescient? Maybe her true calling is as an oracle. --[[User:Galactageek|Galactageek]] 01:29, 19 December 2006 (CST)
::I'm with Catrope here. If I'm remembering my "Valley Of Darkness" podcast correctly, Tahmoh and Katee painted the apartment themselves, without any direction from Ron or the rest of the show crew. It's quite possible that someone noticed that particular pattern and decided to make it significant. And, hey, maybe she ''is'' an Oracle who just hasn't realized that she has the gift. Give the girl some chamalla and see what she can do. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Starbuck found a spiritual calling to fill the enormous gaps in her soul that she tries to fill with sex, booze, speed, duty, and violence. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 13:33, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== 18 Casualties & Relevance to "The Passage" ==

If 18 people were lost from '''The Passage''' episode, that means that 17 (at most) were aboard those two lost civilian ships, right? I'm only bringing this up to clarify what transpired — from that, and what we saw, the Raptors would pair up with a civilian ship, and that ship's passenger complement would be transferred onto ''Galactica'' (more heavily shielded, combat FTL drive) for the ferry run through the cluster. The civilian ship would then be crewed by an absolute bare minimum number of crewers. Then, when the group reached the other side of the cluster, the passengers would be transported back to their ships (if they survived the passage), the ships would remain at "Algae-planet", and ''Galactica'' would turn around and go back to the original side to repeat the cycle over again for a new group of civilian ships?

Am I reading/viewing this right? -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 13:53, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:The ships were manned by skeleton crews. That was even mentioned in "The Passage" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 14:01, 16 December 2006 (CST)

: Don't forget that 14 days have transpired. there could have been more births in the fleet. I just came up with the difference from the two episodes--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:10, 16 December 2006 (CST)

== Humanoid Cylons recognize each other on sight ==

While back on New Craprica, Number 3 knew right away that it was Sharon Agathon. Of course, who else would be trying to remove the ship's launch keys?

This episode, we see that Athena knew on sight that this Number Eight was Boomer. Interesting.

Can Cylons tell on sight which of the copies they are? It's already established that the bulletheads can't.

Note in last weeks episode, Baltar was able to pick The D'anna number three out of the hallway on sight, even though there is an identically dressed number three in the same hallway. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 16:50, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Those two instances do prove that they do recognize one another, which was hinted at in the "[[Cylon Agent]]" page. I guess now it's more than a hint. --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:54, 16 December 2006 (CST)

==Names of marines==
Has anyone heard (or seen in close captions) the names of the marines that were with Starbuck and Dualla? I know one of them is [[Fischer]], but the other three? I heard something like: Criggs, Verek, Ditko. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 17:43, 16 December 2006 (CST)

:According to the caption, it's Griggs and Varrick; the spelling/pronouncation of the third lad is anyone else's guess. For some reason, the closed caption for this episode doesn't pick up everything for me. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:48, 17 December 2006 (CST)

== Location of the Eye? ==

At the end of the episode, Tyrol says something about "the sky will open, and the eye will be revealed." Did that make anyone else think of the star going nova? -- [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 22:15, 16 December 2006 (CST)
:Good idea, but is it possible that such a "blowup" could be predicted in the sacred scrolls thousands of years ago? -- [[User:SuperMMX|SuperMMX]] 01:15, 17 December 2006 (CST)
::Why not? A race of humans capable of traveling from Kobol to Earth probably knows at least as much about stellar evolution as the Colonials [[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 07:39, 17 December 2006 (CST)
:: The [[Sacred Scrolls]] have so far contained information about [[Laura Roslin]] being sick, [[Sharon Agathon]] helping them to find the [[Tomb of Athena]], and more... In addition to various prophetic dreams... Sure, they could have predicted it. -- [[User:Benabik|Benabik]] 11:26, 17 December 2006 (CST)
:When Tyrol commented about blowing up the Temple, I already thought "What if the Eye is INSIDE the pillar and they have to blow it up to get it out?" But surely an explosion destroying the entire system would destroy the Eye as well? And if it didn't, the Eye would not be easy to find between the debris of an entire planet. But blowing up a pillar doesn't exactly qualify as "the sky will open"... Maybe it refers to blowing up the roof or something like that... --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 12:04, 17 December 2006 (CST)
:: Note the shaft of light streaming across the central pillar in the final scenes of the episode. Perhaps something will be revealed when it becomes centered upon the prominent symbol seen there. --[[User:Spidey3|Spidey3]] 12:29, 18 December 2006 (CST)
:::That was the way my mind was working. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:39, 18 December 2006 (CST)

== Boomer in the brig? ==

Did Boomer get thrown in the galactica brig once Athena pointed her out? Was she allowed to return to the Basestars? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 01:49, 17 December 2006 (CST)

I doubt it because they probably would have it done right there rather than holding her outside first. I'm sure they let her leave with the others and advised her not to let the door hit on the arse on the way out. --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 09:46, 17 December 2006 (CST)

:Besides, the least thing they need on ''Galactica'' right now would be Boomer to break out of the brig, throw on a uniform and have a "Guess the Sharon" contest. Aside from that, I expect that kind of trite plotwork I just mentioned from lesser sci-fi series, not this one.--<font color="#4b0082">[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]]</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]''</font> 19:37, 18 December 2006 (CST)

== Summary ==

We really need a longer summary up there, the only point it currently mentions is kind of random -_- --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:58, 17 December 2006 (CST)

== D'anna's search for the five vs. the Temple of Five ==

I haven't seen much discussion on the connection between "the five" Cylons and the Temple of the Five. Since the Temple was built by the 13th tribe, a connection doesn't seem likely in a conventional linear timeline; but like the painting in Starbuck's apartment, it's hard to dismiss as a mere coincidence.

Such a connection does, however, clear up some verisimilitude issues for me – namely, the rate at which the Cylon's biological technology advanced in relation to both Cylon and Colonial conventional technology.

In less than 40 years' time, the Cylons were able to develop the Cylon Agents – and in such a way that made indiscernable from humans – and all of the ressurection technology that went with it. Meanwhile, their conventional, mechanical technology hasn't made nearly the same leaps. And Colonial technology hasn't advanced much at all. Pegasus was a much more formidable vessel than Galactica, but only in terms of size and firepower. Technologically speaking, they weren't that dissimilar. Everyone's still using nuclear missles as their most advanced form of weaponry.

Clearly, the Cylons have had a little help. Now, with dual references to a group of five that must not be named, we're starting to get an idea of from where that help may have come.

I'm not sure how that jibes with the Cylon's monotheistic religion (also established within those 40 years), versus the Colonies' polytheism, but I'm sure Mr.Moore has it worked out.

How great it is to have a show with a fleshed out story line already established, as opposed to the "make it up as we go" approach to shows like Star Trek (all incarnations), X-Files and Lost over our last 40 years. {{unsigned|Tylonius}}

:To ''Battlestar's'' credit, it did take a while to flesh out the story from a viewer's perspective, but what we know is quite intriguing. Their God and the Colonial gods may be one and the same, and may change how the Cylons treat the Colonials and vice versa. I don't think the five faces will be all shown, but we might see one. And yes, it is good to enjoy a show that makes a greater effort to maintain a consistent storyline. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:01, 18 December 2006 (CST)

::Time may not be an issue. Remember the Colonial Scriptures are full of prophecies, it wouldn't be too farfetched to assume that the Temple of Five could've been constructed for something before it happened, for the purpose of making it happen in due time.

::The Five could do whatever releated them to the temple much like Roslin is directly related to finding the tomb Athena, even though she lived thousands of years after everything else was set.

::This is all speculation, of course, but oh well....--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 13:59, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== Human Nicknames ==
I cropped the following from the episode summary. Nothing against either point, just taking it off until somebody can figure out how to reconcile it into a single level deep bullet point (or points).
Cropped text:
*This is the first time the Cylons use "human" names on the basestar when not speaking to Baltar. D'Anna is named by Caprica-Six and another Number Three. Cavil's name is used by D'Anna.
**It is possible that these names are nicknames for the Cylons who've been amongst the humans (much like Caprica-Six), but it could also be the writers weaseling out of coming up with numbers for Cavil, [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]] and [[Simon]]. In ''[[The Passage]]'', D'Anna even mentions having a discussion with "one of the Simons".
Thanks. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:51, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Err how about:
*This episode marks the first time the Cylons use "human" names when not speaking to Baltar: Caprica-Six and another Three call D'Anna by her human name, who in turn uses Cavil's name. These could be nicknames for Cylons who've been living among humans (cf. [[Caprica-Six]]).
*Once again, the writers have dodged the issue of [[Cavil]]'s, [[Leoben Conoy|Leoben]]'s and [[Simon]]'s numbers. In "[[Torn]]", Caprica-Six says "The ones you know as Leoben...", in "[[The Passage]]" Number Three mentions having a discussion with "one of the Simons" and in this episode a Three simply calls one of the Cavils "Cavil".

Please correct my style here, I didn't know exactly how to quote/paraphrase things like "one of the Simons" etc. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 09:12, 18 December 2006 (CST)

:One bullet point might be enough if the second part is connected with a word like "thus". However we shouldn't use "weasling". It sounds too negative and critical where criticism isn't really needed. Maybe something like "dodging the issue" or "circumventing"? That means the same and isn't as POV.
:Btw: episode names aren't italicized, but put in quotation marks --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:12, 18 December 2006 (CST)

Edit first post, episode titles quoted instead of italicized, second bullet point reprashed and "weaseling" changed to "dodged".
I don't think joining the bullet points with "this" between them is going to make this any clearer. I also don't think it's necessary, as both points may be related but analyse different things (the remaining numbers vs. Cylon naming convention). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 10:28, 18 December 2006 (CST)
:I think the writers are working with established names for convenience. They may not want to create a number yet to not confuse some viewers or there may be a grand scheme of introducing more numbers later in the season or another season that involves the 5 unknown cylon models. They could be maintaining flexibility for themselves in this case. They also know that the people who care the most are us die-hard fans and they can drag us through the mud without giving us more info, but I don't think so with as generous and courteous as Ngarenn is on BW:OC.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:10, 18 December 2006 (CST)
::It wouldn't be too hard to introduce a new number though. We've heard plenty of statements like "We Threes think we can't take the risk.", ideal statements to introduce new numbers with. Of course these numbers aren't a big deal, but die-hard fans tend to like to know these details. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 11:37, 18 December 2006 (CST)
:::True. Though the more detail the introduce, the more chances they have to get it wrong. Even with the few model numbers we have revealed RDM sometimes has [[Podcast:The_Passage#Act_1|difficulty keeping them straight]], confusing the Eight's (Sharons) with the Three's (D'annas). Either way, we'll be here, documenting. I sometimes wonder if we're (the die-hard detail documenters) aren't his worst nightmares (if we even bothers thinking about us). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:52, 18 December 2006 (CST)
::::I always thought it was a nice nod to buckaroo banzai where all the villains had the same first name. [[User:Azselendor|Azselendor]] 22:05, 18 December 2006 (CST)

== Question on article ==

*When did [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] go over to the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons']] way of thinking? In this episode she clearly doesn't seem to think of herself as human anymore like she did in "[[Downloaded]]."
:I had assumed that by LDYB, II that the Cylons had gone over to Boomer and Caprica-Six's way of thinking, hence their (C-six and Boomer) sudden rise to power as well as the sudden Cylon cease-fire. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:24, 19 December 2006 (CST)

== Hera ==

I cannot believe that Adm. Adama has apparently no idea what happened to Hera. He was involved in this discussion in [[Downloaded]]. He should knew that Hera and her foster mother moved to [[New Caprica]]. I am very surprised that he became so angry after Roslin told him that she kept the child in her school. --[[User:Akagi|Akagi]] 17:21, 19 December 2006 (CST)