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Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Female Involvement

2007-06-11T22:29:30Z

Aheaslip: /* An issue of communication */

== Combining goals? ==
Goals to solve:
# Female involvement
# "Important Themes" of the show -- possibly a new "series" of articles?
Why not combine them? Why not scout female contributors to write a themes series? One these women have written stuff, they may just stick around. On an unrelated note, what ever happened to [[User:Laineylain|Laineylain]] and [[User:Misco|Misco]]? They seemed to have stopped contributing at some point (all happened before my time here), but judging by people's comments they were very helpful over here. But back to the scouting idea. Maybe we should get our name out there a little more (of course underlining we're not a forum), as like Shane said on the blog, most communities (whether male or female) are unaware of our existence. On a side note, I'd also like this policy to encourage any present females to "come out", and I'll be adding a "sex" field to {{tl|User Data}}. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:21, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:'''Sex''' and '''femalecat''' fields have been added to {{tl|User Data}}. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:48, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:Laineylain and Misco were both pretty major podcast contributors for a while there. I'm not sure what happened... no major blowups that I'm aware of. They may have just gotten tired of transcribing. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:40, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
::Paradoxically, centering out women to contribute because they are women is a little weird, but I understand and support this. For one, I'd like to see a female administrator, and I'll be forced to change the term "[[Mop Boy]]" to something else. I'll think more about this; there are many women of popular note in the blogosphere (Sarah Kuhn from iPodObserver, Nat from BSGCast, for starters) that should be here more based on their enthusiasm, but aren't. Are there misperceptions about the wiki? The article appears to indicate that. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:50, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:::It is a little weird, I agree, but we have close to zero female contribution, whereas the overall online BSG community is filled with female fans. So clearly, something's wrong. And yes, appointing a "Mop Girl" would certainly be a milestone. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:54, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
: Erm, how about '''gender''' and '''gendercat''' for the field names? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:17, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
Hey! :-) You know, guys, I feel a little left out... I mean, ok, I work for the German BSGWiki, but... hey! ;-) My guess, why there are so few female contributors on the BSGWiki: they are already involved with other BSG-related projects (fanfiction, actor websites, translating news articles for caprica-city.de...); time's in short supply for everyone. And seeing how great the en:bsgwiki fares, I'd never seen much reason to contribute here. The German BSGWiki is another topic though... Greetings, --[[User:CC-Mel|CC-Mel]] 00:41, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:Hey, good to know you're still with us! You're right that the other languages need more menpower (or womenpower, if you will). Joe, I made '''gender''' and '''nogendercat''' the preferred names for those fields, <s>although '''sex''' and '''nosexcat''' still work.</s>--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 04:02, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
::The technical difference is that sex refers to the biological characteristics, while gender is the social role occupied (usually as a result of that, but they don't need to be the same). But even aside from that, gender seems better. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:52, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:CC-Mel's made a very good point. There's simply not enough time to go around. That could very well contribute to the lack of (known) female participation as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:08, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

==After reading the article==

I agree, Spencerian, Catrope ... definite misperceptions, and something is wrong, but I'm not sure how to fix it. I was posting the below at the same time you both were posting and got an edit conflict, the following are my thoughts on reading the article:

From reading the article linked in the blog entry, I think the author doesn't really understand the goal of BSG Wiki: to be an encyclopedia. We aren't really about the speculation (much) or reinterpretation, but rather the documentation of that which is presented on-screen. Take this quote:

:''This also means that some important themes in the wiki remain left out so far - including, for example, any coverage of potential homosexual relationships within the BSG world. Creative interpretation of the BSG text in this environment still has some way to go...'' - [http://snurb.info/node/662 http://snurb.info/node/662]

"Potential homosexual relationships"? From a encyclopedic standpoint, we don't deal in potentialities, we deal in facts. It also really isn't our goal to do "creative interpretation" of the BSG text; in fact, doesn't that basically break [[BW:NOT]]? I'm generally an inclusionist, and we have tags to address these kinds of articles (fandom, plausible speculation, etc), we note real-world parallels in the Notes and Analysis sections of articles ...I wouldn't mind seeing an "Important Themes" series of articles ...

We're a community, but we have different goals than other BSG communities. Those goals may not appeal as much to many potential female (and male, for that matter) contributors as, say, the ability to write fan-fiction, discuss potential relationships, or the ability to write whatever they like under their own name with a guarantee that it won't be altered/improved/deleted. I am all for bringing in new contributors, male or female, but I'm against compromising our stated goals to do so (not that anyone is saying that's the plan). I'm more for "getting our name out there". [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:56, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:I concur. However, that being said... where are the women (anyway)? Even granting our strict encyclopedic mission, there are still (I imagine) a tremendous amount of female encyclopedic contributors at Wikipedia. Why none here? Is it simply probability/statistics? (They do have a much larger sample size to work with than we do.) I'm not sure. I have, in the past, made [[Battlestar_Wiki:Wikipedian_Quorum/Archive02#.22Relationships.22_Article|suggestions]] to try to start topics that might be of more interest to a "female demographic", but they were (justifiably) determined to compromise the BW:NOT encyclopedic mission. I don't have any answers, though. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:31, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:Like I said on the blog, I agree that we should get our name out there. That should be possible without compromising [[BW:IS]] or [[BW:NOT]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:52, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
::I posted a personal response on the article's blog (it should be available after its blog admin clears it) that clarifies what we are (I didn't speak on behalf of the wiki, but just clarified our mission) and put my 2 cents in about BSG, female contributors, and the one homosexual note in the entire RDM show: the Caprica-Six/Three/Baltar threesome from "[[Hero]]" (which should be funny to them as Lucy Lawless, whose Xena character has many homosexual fans and a strong overall fanbase). --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:24, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

I've queried Sarah on getting permission to reprint the paper and the accompanying power point presentation, so people can view the full text and make their own determinations. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:48, 1 May 2007 (CDT)
:I'm sorry, but I had to post it to get it out there. There is no more than 6 double spaces paragrpahs in 14 pages -- if released -- talking about the wiki. I have read the same article Joe has from her and without the power point presentation I am really not missing out on things. There are a few things first of all that I do not agree with her text -- I have read it being one of the few people that really help mantain our image online as a B-Crat. First of all, this paper was prepared fairly recently. Sometime after April 23, 2007. At frist read -- from what I read -- she assumed a lot of things from just reading the website without looking to deeply into the policies of the wiki. She even accused "us" admins of removing the fun of the series. Secondly, before publishing this to the world -- she made no attempt to verifiy her facts -- failing our own prasied [[BW:CJ]] policy. While she posted out we didn't have any "theme" based issues, she pointed out the "[[Toaster]]" article and didn't even notice the {{tl|sillypage}} tag that is placed on the top -- and made it look like we we're trying to give it some sort of depth in the show. However, if anyone watchs the episode in Season 1, where Helo and [[Number Eight]] no less, run into the resturant -- the camera clearly zooms in on this piece of equipment pointing out the ironey of itself. she also goes onto compare ourself to the Star Trek series -- and using [[MemoryAlpha:Portal:Main|Memory Alpha]] as a reference itself -- where the technology of articles and alike are much more expanded. As [[State_of_the_Wiki_II|Spenceriman]] pointed out -- our quality meter is way higher than MA or Wikipedia for that matter and just the sheer number of episode that have been produced in the franchise -- iroincly -- [[RDM]] was also part of the Trek team. Lastly, [[BW:FAN|fanfiction]] is not allowed. I for one am open to the idea at a latter date, but right now we [[BW:NOT|not]] allow it. Period. While she does credit us for having started the [[BW:BLOG]] project, she goes on to say that we did not try hard enough to get more involvement and use the medium as a "blog" is designed to do. Conclustion -- [[BW:CJ]] -- which means verify your information always and if your going to accuse a website of not doing a good job -- get in contact with us first -- myself or Joe or I think any user could have pointed out the reasons she has raised. But now we have to go on the defensive and explain our actions. If you are reading this, I open up to you that you [[Special:Userlogin|signup]] and join our discusstion -- we do not [[BW:BITE]]. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 07:02, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
::Good argumentation you wrote there, Shane. After you've gotten some sleep, you might want to put that (in a modified version perhaps) out there where outsides will actually read it. Not many of them know how to find [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Think Tank/Female Involvement]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:22, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

::Yeah. It's sad that she has valid points, but a terribly flawed argumentation. Seems like she really doesn't understand the goals of the site. While things can certainly be improved even within our mission parameters, some of the criticism is naturally excluded by the nature of the site. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:30, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

== Ways to address the issue==

I've been reading the responses on the blog. (I didn't realize that a vanity search would turn into a full fledged discussion on improving gender diversity of our contributors. Not that this is a bad thing, but life leads you to the most interesting places.) Basically, I haven't gotten the feedback that I've hoped yet from the female sector of the fandom, but I did like some of the ideas I saw, notably:

# The series on "Important Themes" in the series. (Actually, I did attempt to [[Themes in Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|start something like this]], but it never took off.)
# Delving more into character's motivations. We cover the history of the characters, which help us to ''understand'' the source of their motivations, including what drives them, but we can do better. As Serenity pointed out on the blog, our analysis on [[Romo Lampkin]]'s motivations from "[[The Son also Rises]]" on forward is a good template to work from.
# Having read Sarah Toton's paper, my initial impression is that the technology barrier isn't the major hurdle. I'll quote the paper here, because it's something that struck me upon first reading it:
#: "[W]omen fans tend to insert themselves and personals experiences into the storyline, identifying with characters and finding relationships between the fictive universe and their own lives, men parse through a text like a puzzle, giving great weight to authorial intent and working through details within the text in order to gain some sort of ownership."
-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:48, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

:I hope you don't mind that I moved this down here, as the discussion would be very confused otherwise. The section above is more general, while this is about practical ways to improve the situation.

:About point 2, that I brought up: There was already a proposal to change the major character articles from a strictly chronological event listing to really exploring what the characters are about. That also creates themes for the characters. While this still wouldn't allow the sort of rampant speculation that's possible with a forum, I always felt that it would improve the articles. Contributors just need to realize that they can't just include all of their pet ideas and interpretations of the characters.
:Secondly, some of the episode analysis is really jumbled together, jumping from one point to the next. It would help to organize that a bit. Maybe going so far as having sub-headers for "Character analysis" and "Plot analysis". Even without that, points about the same thing could be grouped together and ordered better that way. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
::I agree on the spirit of this, but we have to be careful not to overextend the purpose of analyses in articles; by their nature, they are subjective, so sourcing is a must to prevent mistakes or NPOV problems. (I don't even like it when the '''guys''' do this. :) The point were girls tend to relate to the characters through their own experience vs. how guys handle things more in-universe (analyzing how the tachyons are bounced off of Seven of Nine's mammary-based energon emitters) is going to be a problem if we want to keep things encyclopedic. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:06, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Yeah, that's what I hinted at above. I'm just saying that we already talked about doing a little bit more analysis (there was even a sample page, but I can't remember where). Seeing some of the stuff floating out on forums, separating fact from personal interpretation can be really tricky. But I don't forsee a mass influx of people adding their own stuff either. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:14, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
::::The sample page you're talking about is probably [[The Son Also Rises#Analysis]], which does a lot of character analysis. It's also one of the lengthiest analysis sections on this Wiki (save for [[Miniseries, Analysis]] of course). --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:27, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::No. While "The Son Also Rises" is a very good example on how to do episode analysis, what I meant was a re-written character bio (as a test/demo), and a subpage of some other article or discussion page. I think Roslin, but I'm not sure. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:33, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
::::::Yeah, it was on Roslin. Just don't know where it had gone off too. (It should be linked from the corresponding Think Tank proposal, however. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:55, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:::::::[[Battlestar Wiki:Think Tank/Character Bio Project/Mockup|Found it]]. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 16:08, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

==Missing Articles==
Some very good points here; I'm a little ashamed that this issue never ocurred to me, and that it's taken so long to come up. That being said - the relationships depicted on the show thus far have been exclusively heterosexual. The only exceptions seem to revolve around Gaeta, in a strictly subtextual/blooper reel/off-screen context. So although it's unfortunate that we don't have a chance to talk in greater detail about the show's attitude towards sexual orientation, there just isn't a lot to go on as yet.

However, we do have several pages given over to (more or less groundless) speculation on the identity of possible Cylon infiltrators. It seems that either we should make a stricter effort to police such speculation, or allow similar pages concerning the sexuality of various characters.

Also, I think that articles on Human and Cylon sexuality in general are conspicuous by their absence. Between the Gemenese attitude towards pregnancy depicted in "The Captain's Hand", Ellen Tigh and Kara Thrace's relentless tomcatting, Cally's role as a working mother, Athena's post-marriage domestication, Thorne's rape of both Gina and Athena, Gina and Shevon's work as call-girls, the existance of child prositution in the fleet, the Baltar/Three/Six three-ways, and the Leoben/Kara relationship, we have ''plenty'' of material to draw on. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:43, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

: This would make for interesting features. :-) Having said that, most of the relationships have been fairly "nuclear family" and heterosexually oriented. The homosexuality issues that are brought up are virtually non-existant. I'm thinking that the author was more or less toying with what the fan fic community refers to as "slash", where they put two same-sex characters in erotic situations to play out the fan fic writer's fantasy or fantasies. That's the general vibe I got when reading the piece, and the corresponding blog entry on snub.

: Also, Gina was never a "call-girl"... She was a sex toy/robot slave, as so far as ''Pegasus''' people saw her. Which does raise an interesting question as to whether or not there were ever any Cylon sex-slaves on the colonies. But that's not something that should be addressed here... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:03, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

::She spent several months working as a prostitute on Cloud 9 after her escape from Pegasus, as seen in "Epiphanies" and "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:07, 2 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Uh, where do you get that from? I always assumed that she was simply sheltered by Demand Peace and did some sort of work for them. Gina is clearly extremely uncomfortable with Baltar's sexual advances towards her, as is to be expected by a rape victim. That pretty much precludes her working as prostitute. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:14, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

::::From the [[Podcast:Epiphanies|Podcast]]. Moore talks about how they tossed around the idea of having Gina end up working at a Brothel on Cloud 9, of the same sort that we see Shevon at in the next episode.
:::::Now this is the first time that we really get to set up the fact that [[Gina]] is some place else, at the end of [[Resurrection Ship, Part II|Resurrection Ship]] he promises to take her some place safe, we kept talking about the fact that she was going to go to the "brothel" over on ''[[Cloud 9]]'' and that there would be a "[[wikipedia:Brothel|brothel]]" over on ''Cloud 9'' and actually in the next episode you will discover that there is prostitution going on over on at ''Cloud 9'' and it's perfectly legal. And there was something evocative about that idea, oh there's the brothel and how perfect that is for Gina and she could work out a lot of her angst and anger and somehow we ended up here. That ''Cloud 9'', we had established, has these state rooms because it was a luxury liner and we never quite got around to the "brothel" aspect of it and this is one of the areas that I'm not as in love with in this episode and in subsequent episodes to be honest. This is an aspect of the show that I think we shot a little bit wide of the mark here, there was something dark and intriguing and moody about Gina and the "brothel" and now it just feels like she's over in this upscale hotel hanging out.
::::So he seems to have left the idea in, but discarded the exposition surrounding it. Later, he again refers to her hotel suite as a brothel:
:::::Meanwhile, back at the brothel... thank God she has those [[wikipedia:Clark_Kent|Clark Kent]] glasses on else he'd be scared right now.
::::So there you go. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:23, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

:::::Ah, now I remember. While we know that there is certainly prostitution on ''Cloud 9'' (Shevon), that's one of the cases where I take the final result over the podcast exposition (and that last comment seem more like a joke anyways). Gina's revulsion towards sex is an addition by Tricia Helfer for which she campaigned for. The writers didn't really think of how she would feel after being gang raped for weeks or so. But they agreed with her, and that's how it ended up on screen, thus - at least for me - negating the earlier plans. But that's kinda off topic now. Maybe move it to [[Gina]] if anyone is interested to discuss this further? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:29, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

:I don't see anything against a "Sexuality in the Twelve Colonies" or maybe "Sexuality in Battlestar Galactica" article, as long as we stick to the facts. Any homosexual pairings (except for the threesome maybe) are just fantasy, but there is enough other stuff to go on, as noted above. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:38, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

== An issue of communication ==

I don't think we're going to get anywhere by discussing what "females" are looking for since those who are noting this issue haven't been forthcoming... and those women who are forthcoming are, in fact, actually offering other issues for why there aren't more female contributors. (These range from simply not wanting to invest the time to the fact that contributors don't know exactly what they have to contribute.) I've gone so far as to promote discussions on the feministsf.com blog, with little results from those discussions.

So I propose that we shelve this proposal and make a new plan to investigate this issue. Thoughts. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 09:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

:Yeah, seems to be more of a storm in a water glass anyways. It would be nice to have some regular high-profile women here, but it's not a pressing issue either. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 09:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Concur. It's not as if we're never been open to the idea. It just so happens that males are more dominant here. It could always change, but entering information on Battlestar Wiki is not compulsory. I don't know if it is practical, but if the question arises again, perhaps a quick poll (even on Sciffy) could be done to ask "How often do you use Battlestar Wiki?", "Are you male or female?", and "If you don't contribute on Battlestar Wiki, why not?" We might get this data already, elsewhere, but still it would interesting to know. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:43, 7 June 2007 (CDT) ([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])
:: The [http://www.quantcast.com/battlestarwiki.org QuantCast external data] supports the fact that we have a slighly larger male audience than a female one; but our active contributor body is mostly male. Also, we need to note that we've never actively collected gender information (via polls, as Spence suggested) until Toton's paper. Furthermore, the other language wikis are not even considered as part of our contributor group by Toton's paper; we have female administrators and contributors on the other wikis as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:I'll reiterate what I said on the feministsf blog: if we want women to come here, they should step over their own prejudices about BSWiki (i.e. stop seeing us as a boys' club where women won't fit in). Other than advertising that we're not striving to be a boys' club and that women are welcome, I don't see much else we can do about this. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:47, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
::As I pointed out, the issue may very well stem from the Wiki being prejudged as a "boys club", and not anything this community has actively done. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 11:19, 7 June 2007 (CDT)
:Hi, female fan here, relatively new to the Wiki. I'm part of a podcasting trio about the show, and the blog responses and call-ins we get appear to be about 90% male and 10% female. Unfortunately I think there's some deeply-rooted gender difference in sci-fi in general for a variety of reasons, many of them outmoded. Even though plenty of women may watch the show, I think they're less likely to identiy themselves as sci-fi fans (and therefore less often explore the on-line communities such as the Wiki). Not to get off-point, but this is also true of people of color. Sci-fi has been a young, white guy domain for a while. At this point I don't think women feel unwelcome - I think they just need to have the idea planted that this stuff is FUN and something that other girls do, too. A way to "attract" female BSG fans might be to think like a marketer: how are female sci-fi fans different from run-of-the-mill ladies (we are- smarter, I'd say ;) and what type of rhetoric, artwork, etc. appeals to that type of women? Sorry to be vague, but I agree with the issue's importance. It's not about representation or "forcing" a minority voice into the scene - it's about making sure all the people already in the scene know they can and should be part of the Wiki.--[[User:Aheaslip|Aheaslip]] 17:29, 11 June 2007 (CDT)

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# It is obtrusive, as it overwrites the page I'm visiting. Compared to this, popups would be a service (at least they leave your current page intact);
# It may confuse unexperienced users, because their browser window seems to vanish and multiple clicks on the Back button are needed to go back to BSWiki.
--[[User:Catrope|Catrope]] 14:05, 6 March 2007 (CST)
:On a more detailed look, I noticed errorprotector.com and systemdoctor.com are identical except for the name and the color scheme ^^ Go figure how honest this company is. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]
::Pffft ad companies. A word with AdBrite might be worthwhile. In the mean time add the urls to the blacklist. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 15:46, 6 March 2007 (CST)

== Kara Thrace and Maelstrom Discussions ==

Admins: I just put my virtual foot down in the Character Elimination subtopic in the Humanoid Cylon Speculation article, asking discussions to cease, because unnecessary and circular debate on Starbuck was going on. The talk was a perfect example of what we're [[BW:NOT|not a place to chat forever]]. I know that Wikipedia has had a similar problem with other popular pages there, like the various articles for the TV show "Heroes." I don't want our wiki to look like an ugly Windows operating system with more banners and warnings than content like what Wikipedia has become, so let's be on our toes throughout the week to keep talk page discussions relevant and brief, warning users on their talk pages if necessary. Hopefully I'm not being too brash, but understandably there are many fans who are unglued by "Maelstrom" and we have to keep the consistency and accuracy of the wiki as well as managing questions but limit talk page speculation. In a way it's a good thing; Starbuck and the show have become dear to our hearts. But "it's just a TV show: we should really just relax..."--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:28, 7 March 2007 (CST)
: No problem. Thanks Kevin! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:40, 7 March 2007 (CST)
::But... but... but... That's fine with me. If there were novel arguments being made, I would advocate continuing the discussion. As it stands, it seems to be one person attempting to argue against a crowd. This is NOT a democracy, so the sheer numbers shouldn't be the only deciding factor. A lone voice making an impassioned, logical argument CAN sway consensus. That being said, the consensus seems pretty clear in this matter, and unless new evidence comes to light or there are novel arguments to be made, we should just let that one drop for right now. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:43, 8 March 2007 (CST)
:::Yeah, I didn't want to just end the discussion because it was annoying, but because it become less a debate than what should be in the article based on its subject matter. Starbuck's resurrection (if it happens) isn't a real topic appropriate to that article, nor is the metaphysicals of other SF in comparison to BSG. It really got off a tangent from the article subject. If a similar discussion (if kept brief) happened on Thrace's character page, I'd be less likely to ask the discussion to end given the circumstances. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:17, 8 March 2007 (CST)

==403 Errors==
I have a note about this on the Crossroads Pt. 1 talk page 'cause that's where I was having the problem first, but it's been spreading, I keep running into pages where it tells me I'm forbidden to go there. I dunno what might be causing it :/ --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:46, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:Ok this is getting frakking annoying. It's stopped happening on Crossroads Pt. 1 but now I can't look at the Main Page. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:12, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
::I just reproduced the error. I have no idea what caused it though. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:01, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:::I get it from time to time as well. No idea what could be responsible for that, though. When I refresh the page, it just loads normally. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 14:51, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:I just saw a text-only version of the Recent changes page after waiting nearly 5 minutes. But once I accessed this page, the speed of the wiki appears normal. I use the nested javascript-powered view in Recent changes, and I have also experienced that 403 error. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:19, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:: I'm thinking there's a squid thing... Where's the ''[[w:USOS Seaview|Seaview]]'' when you need her? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:17, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
:::Aye. I just increased and spread out the directories more than space. We just are to darn popular. We need mirrors. :-) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:20, 17 March 2007 (CDT)
::::Still getting a 403 error, though. Heh. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:45, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

== source on character´s pages ==

Hello!

My computer forgot to add the stylesheet one day and your pages came in view: white page, text and pictures only, no frames etc. ALL hidden text was revealed and to my surpise, it said under every character ...is a Humanoid Cylon.

Source :
<tr style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;" class="hiddenStructure">
<td colspan="2"> Lee Adama is a <a href="/wiki/Humanoid_Cylon" title="Humanoid Cylon">Cylon</a>
</td></tr>
<tr style="vertical-align: top; text-align: center;" class="hiddenStructure">
<td colspan="2"> Lee Adama is an Original Series Cylon
</td></tr></table>

Hm, according to you everyone (...) is a Cylon?
Only one click away.

Ps. I´m very glad I recently found this Wiki-pages. Dutch television is still halfway season two and have delayed the rest of the season...again! A!&&"(_&"(A!! Looking forward to take a good look around when you´ve finished. So much to learn!

Good hunting, {{unsigned|Ristridin}}

:Hi, Ristridin. Our template that allows us to change the status of a character is revealed a bit too much if the site is viewed without the style sheet. We know that Lee Adama isn't a Cylon, but we're still sorting out what the season 3 conclusion gave us. You're going to love it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:06, 31 March 2007 (CDT)
:The problem is actually even worse. In the week after "[[The Son Also Rises]]" aired, someone Googled [[Romo Lampkin]] (a character introduced in this episode), and Google came up with the "Romo Lampkin is a Cylon" part of the page. Now Romo Lampkin is not a Cylon (as far as we know...), but it made him think he was spoiled. The templates we use should not output unwanted info at all instead of just hiding the table cell. It's easy to do with an <nowiki>{{#if:condition|then|else}}</nowiki> construct (Shane knows what I mean).
:Also, as you haven't seen the entire series yet, I recommend you only read the articles about the episodes themselves (i.e. [[Miniseries, Night 1]] through [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]], the episodes that have aired in NL). Other articles (like [[William Adama]]) may contain spoilers. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 10:09, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

== Ahead Warp Factor 5, Mr. Sulu ==

Oh my gods -- the wiki is practically ''smoking'' with the stronger web server and Apache. Very nice work to everyone responsible for the upgrade. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:29, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
: So say we all! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 08:30, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:It's running like a dream, nice job! --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:44, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:: And squid isn't even running yet. LOL ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:42, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Once Squid's up, I'm sure the wiki will move so quickly it'll get to the 12 colonies before Galactica gets here. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:10, 9 April 2007 (CDT)

== User Page template ==
Hi everyone. The red links from new users' User pages hit me wrong every time I view [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]]. Can we set up a standard new user User page template? I was thinking something along the lines of Shane's (with suitable modifications, of course) as that is what many of us use anyway :) ... but even a generic "This is your user page. You can use this to help other wikipedians get to know you" etc. etc. etc. would work. Possible new project? [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 13:20, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

: While I'm not a fan of red-links by any means, I've always felt that the user page was their page to do with as they please, as so long as they obeyed the guidelines and policies. To force people to have a user page doesn't strike my fancy at all, since it's more or less their space, not the community's. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:48, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

Makes sense to me. Thanks. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 18:16, 15 April 2007 (CDT)

== user page ==

Hi. I´m new in here and I want to create a user page and dont know how. Where can I find a tutorial ? {{unsigned|BattleStar Orion}}
:Depends on what you want on it. If you want a really fancy user page like some people here have (for example [[User:Spencerian]] or [[User:Mercifull]]) it might be best to copy the content from theirs and edit it as you need. If you just want a user data field, then this will explain the user data template: [[Template:User Data]] --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 12:38, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
:A tutorial about how Battlestar Wiki works can be found [[BW:TUT|here]]. Also please sign your comments with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>; it will automatically expand to your username and a time stamp. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 12:46, 18 April 2007 (CDT)

== Racy Ads? ==

Hi folks. Well, let me propose this and see if gets shot down. Is there any way the advertisements for sites that are selling pornography could be removed from the site? The only reasons I can give are (1) I find them rude (2) My family members find them rude (3) I think they detract rather than add to the experience of the site. (4) I don't think they have anything to do with the subject matter at hand. [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] 13:25, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
:Those ads shouldn't be displayed in the first place. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:27, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
::That's [[Battlestar_Wiki:AdBrite_Ads|true]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:28, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Definitly 100%! I havnt seen them (probably because im not in America) If i see Joe ill get him on it. Do you know the url of the advert? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:56, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
: If you can get me the URL, or even a description of what the ad looks like, please feel free to do so and I'll get right on it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:55, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
::Now that we've mentioned it I haven't seen it repeat. I know they were getting blocked by my work filters, though, so it would have been hard for me to report the url. Right now all I can seem to get is gottabet.com and the car advice site for women (which seems odd considering the demographics of our editors... perhaps we have more female readers than I am aware of). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 15:15, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
I just had an ad scream at me that I am eligible for an Apple iPhone. Loud, brash, and annoying. Can we add that to the list of bad ads? Ah, necessary evils. If only I were independently wealthy. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 22:22, 18 April 2007 (CDT)
:It seems all the "bad ads" are all 3rd party ones not specifically AdBrite ones. Joe, you should set the ad zone to manually accept network ads. It doesn't add much work and it means you can deny the ads that you dont feel are appropriate. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 03:04, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:Jubal, if you can let me know what ad was playing at the time, I can be sure to run across it and reject it. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 05:24, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
Ok, I've set it so that all ads have to be approved by me before they are run... There are 441 of them to go through, so I'll have to go through 'em sometime tonight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 05:12, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:Its easier that it sounds. Most of those 400 will be text only ads and you can approve 25 at a time so it doesnt take too long. Its the 3rd party ones which are probably causing the trouble. I dont allow them at all. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:59, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::Well, if I were to bulk add or reject ads, then yes, it's easier than it sounds. But I'm more interested in reviewing the content we're essentially linking to before I make a determination on accepting it or not. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:55, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
Thanks! I appreciate it. [[User:Mokwella|Mokwella]] 16:50, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

== New article: [[Eddie Seidel, Jr.]] ==

I'm new here, but do edit Wikipedia quite oft. I'm just wondering if an article on this suicide is worth making around these parts. Here's an external link that details this kid and what happened: [http://www.kobol.com/archives/suicide.html TV Death] . [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 08:14, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:For those who don't see the connection immediately, this is about a 15-year old kid who committed suicide after ABC canceled the [[Original Series]]. I don't believe it belongs here, but then I don't really have authority here. Better wait for an admin response. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:43, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::Interesting story, one that I had never heard of before, but I don't think it's BSGWiki content. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:10, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Hi, DrWho42. Since Battlestar Wiki isn't a news site or general information source, an article for this is probably not the best since the boy was not a cast or crew member and had no other affiliation with the show. Many of us here would probably want to document the international heartbreak of psoriasis, gnashing of teeth and lamentations of our women when ''[[Galactica 1980]]'' aired, but for the same reasons it wouldn't make for a germane article. Thank the gods that the kid met his demise before he saw THAT train wreck. (You did give me an idea for a [[BW:SILLY|silly page]], however.) :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:19, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Yay, more silly pages! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:45, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
:We should note this as an unfortunate ''reaction'' to ABC's cancellation of BSG in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)]] article, but not as an article by itself. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:14, 19 April 2007 (CDT)
::Done. I also updated the page to fit more of the after-story of the series and later developments. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:57, 19 April 2007 (CDT)

== [[wikipedia:S.C.I.F.I. World|S.C.I.F.I. World]] ==

Since we already have an article covering the [[Sci Fi Channel]], I was thinking an article covering this would be as helpful due to the frequent marathons of ''[[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Battlestar Galactica]]'' along Intergalactic Land (and so on). It's also mentioned through this 2005 article: [http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/bg_outdoc0047.htm The strange saga of ''Biodomes Galactica'']. Additionally, the airdates thereof could prove useful (my main resource for past Sci Fi schedules tends to be: [http://innermind.com/sfc/index.html The Inner Mind]. [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 20:23, 26 April 2007 (CDT)
:Hi there. The articles [[Battlestar Galactica (SDS)]], [[Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming]], and [[Battlestar Atlantis]] cover the revival efforts (which are noted on that page). The "biodomes" thing appears to be a story concept that never made it to any level of significant development from the Singer/DeSanto project, so it can be included there. It doesn't seem that another article need be made, and the article should be taken with a grain of salt as they are subjective articles with no sourcing. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:46, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

== Visibility of articles about "meta" topics ==

With meta I mean articles that deal with the show as in very general ways. Specifically [[Themes in Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]] and [[Philosophy in Battlestar Galactica]]. These are pretty interesting topics, but they are kinda lost. Mostly because they are entirely out-of-universe and thus can't be linked easily. So I'm thinking of creating something like "Twelve Colonies" series for these to make them more visible.

Though that alone won't make them instantly visible either. They need to be linked to from somewhere. A start would be [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]]. Any other ideas? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 16:46, 2 May 2007 (CDT)

: They can be placed in a "See also" section of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)]], and maybe linked from episodes where these themes are apparent. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 17:12, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
::Right, I totally forgot about the general BSG page. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:17, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

== Nationality tag broken ==

The nationality flags, as I see it in [[Leo Li Chiang]], shows it broken. Flags don't display, and a "void" message appears. -- [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:07, 4 May 2007 (CDT) ([[User_Talk:Spencerian|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Spencerian|Contrib Skillz]] - [[Special:Editcount/Spencerian|Edit Skillz]])
:Been trying to fix a create a problem.... [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template:Country_alias this "what links here"] is the resault of non-filled nationality tags. I been trying to make it go away so that's why it's like that. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 15:09, 4 May 2007 (CDT)

== Nielsen ratings chart. ==

Since we have the ratings listed for every RDM episode, I would think having a chart as this [http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i263/xyzzy42/tng-diagram.gif one]* would be helpful. *(example for ''[[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: The Next Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]'')
Though, what is our source for the posted Nielsen ratings? It seems like the Nielsen Galaxy Report is often cited along [http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=3&id=41371 Sci Fi Wire], but I can never seem to find a website for this. [[User:DrWho42|DrWho42]] 16:53, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
:A problem with Nielsen ratings is that they're apparently copyrighted.[http://www.nielsenmedia.com/nc/portal/site/Public/menuitem.55dc65b4a7d5adff3f65936147a062a0/?vgnextoid=aaae99fcc5b97010VgnVCM100000ac0a260aRCRD] I'm not sure how that works, how can you copyright a number :-(? [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 18:21, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::You can't... You can copyright how those results are achieved, in addition to a full text, but not a number. In any event, creating a chart for educational purposes would arguably fall under "fair use". Also, what I think the Neilsen people are ultimately concerned about are people who wish to repost their results as their own. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:23, 5 May 2007 (CDT)
::: Ah, so we could a chat here? I can see its usefulness. [[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 02:48, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
::::the futon critic on its [http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=about ratings data policy]: "[According to Nielsen, publication of] historical data (a.k.a. archived information) is strictly forbidden." --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 08:28, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:Maybe we should just contact the Nielsen folks and ask them if we can get a chart of all BSG ratings (or make the chart ourselves with their numbers). Just to make sure that we have the correct numbers and that we won't be bothered by copyright issues. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 15:04, 8 May 2007 (CDT)
::Sounds like an idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 17:13, 21 May 2007 (CDT)
:::If we ask, we should ask what their rating include so people can click on the Nielsen rating link and understand what the numbers mean, as most people do not. What does the information mean, what sources, etc. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 05:21, 22 May 2007 (CDT)
::::Aye, that'd also help. The only thing I've figured out about these ratings is that higher is better, but I have no idea how they're calculated or what exactly a rating of 1.5 means. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 08:48, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

== Professional Photographer copyright ==

While communicating with a photographer re: permission to use a photo of Mark Sheppard I came across a mistake in the Cast Data template (he also requested the image been kept in a smaller resolution but that wasnt really a problem and i sorted that easily). There was an option for a "credit" filed but when you filled it out it didn't show on the actual page. I have now corrected this and added it in. See [[Mark Sheppard]] but perhaps we should go through some of the other pictures and add copyright information to them on the article pages too. Covering out backs for copyright and fair use etc. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:09, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
: Yeah, that's fine. Also, we'll need to make sure we credit the photographer / source on the image's description page as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 10:37, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
::It would be wise methinks to go thru as many of the images as we can checking everyhting is tagged etc before Seson 4. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:57, 14 May 2007 (CDT)
:::I'm generating a to-do list, which should be up in a few days. Obviously, I encourage people to come up with their own, so we can determine what we need to do before 2008. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 12:05, 14 May 2007 (CDT)

== Problems with Image Placement ==

I've had problems in adding pictures to cast/crew biographies. See [[Geller]] and [[Desperate man]] for successful uses of an image there. When try to use the same image in the actor's cast bio article, I get a red link. See [[Mike Mitchell]] for that example. Thoughts? --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 22:53, 24 May 2007 (CDT)
: <s>I'm at a loss to explain it, perhaps Shane can take a look and see what's going on. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 23:27, 24 May 2007 (CDT)</s>
: Ok, the issue is that you can't leave the "size" attribute blank. Otherwise, it'll act as if the image doesn't exist. To fix this, it's best to just remove the size field from the {{tl|Cast Data}} template whenever it's being used. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New''] 23:46, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

== Official series end announcement ==

[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i157e88908d7e0062e667b93703b9ba80 Hollywood North Report]

So the series will officially end with Season 4. Also "Razor" (the DVD movie) will be released in November. According to SciFi and the BSG staff, ending the show was a creative decision. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 01:24, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

== The Spanish Version of the Wiki - error creating account ==

I tried to register on the Spanish Battlestar Wiki site but when I try to create an account, I get the error: "reCAPTCHA: Domain not authorized for key". (This is for the word recognition part of registration.) I'm not sure how to contact the person who can fix the error at the Spanish site - any ideas? I'd really like to help beef up the Spanish site - it's pretty outdated. For example, it lists Chief Tyrol as unmarried, etc.

Is there a way I can log into the other site with my English-wiki account info?

Thanks! --[[User:Aheaslip|Aheaslip]] 02:02, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Battlestar Wiki:Chiefs' noticeboard

2007-06-01T07:01:02Z

Aheaslip: The Spanish Version of the Wiki - error creating account

Portal:Characters/Intro

2007-06-01T06:35:17Z

Aheaslip:

<div style="float:left;margin-right:0.9em">
[[Image:Character_Intro_Image.png||The Three Casts From Each of the 3 Series]]
</div>'''[[:Category:Characters|Characters]]''' make the story interesting in all three of the ''Battlestar Galacitica'' series shows. Each series has no shortage of characters to make every show that has been produced interesting and dynamic. However, there are differences nowadays where certain characters from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|Orginal ''Battlestar Galactica'']] were changed for the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined ''Battlestar Galactica'']]. [[Boomer (TOS)|Boomer]] in the ''Orginal Battlestar'' was a black male, whereas [[Sharon Valerii|Boomer]] in the re-imagined series is an Asian female. [[Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies|Race, Religon, Sexuality, and even Nationality]] are now part of each character's motives, making ''Galactica'' a place where it is influenced by real-life situations.