https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&feedformat=atom&user=AggieBattlestar Wiki - User contributions [en]2026-04-28T16:02:31ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.45.1https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=89169User:Aggie2006-10-30T00:39:51Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
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[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
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[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
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[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve humanoid-models, but they are everywhere.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=89166User:Aggie2006-10-30T00:39:08Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
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== About Me ==<br />
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=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
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===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
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== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
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[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
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[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
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[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve humanoid-models, but they are everywhere.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Triad_(RDM)&diff=43218Triad (RDM)2006-04-02T22:05:36Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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<div>:''See also: [[Pyramid (TOS)]]''<br />
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A type of [[Wikipedia:poker game|poker game]] played in the [[Colonies]], similar to the [[TOS|original series]]' [[pyramid (TOS)|pyramid]].<br />
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Full Colors is also the highest winning hand in the game.<br />
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== Possible Winning Hands ==<br />
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* "Full Colors" (highest, [[Water]])<br />
* "3 on a Run" ([[Water]])<br />
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[[Category: A to Z]] [[Category: Colonial Society]] [[Category: RDM]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=42978User:Aggie2006-04-01T03:28:27Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
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=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
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== About Me ==<br />
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=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
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===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
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== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
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[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
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[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
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[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve humanoid-models, but they are everywhere.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Battlestar_Galactica_(TRS)/Archive_1&diff=41439Talk:Battlestar Galactica (TRS)/Archive 12006-03-24T05:20:07Z<p>Aggie: Crashdown/Billy Conspiracy</p>
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<div>I hear that NBC may be trying to make a spinoff of BSG, focused on either the Caprica resistance or on the crew of the Celestra research vessel (a third option of following the Pegasus crew was abandoned). Apparently, NBC is jealous of SciFi, and of RDM's unwillingness to bring BSG over to NBC. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 01:02, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
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: Well, I guess I've heard of more short-sighted things... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:28, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
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: That kinda...doesn't make sense. They should just be happy that they get the money from the channel that they OWN. -- [[user:yenguyen|YeNguyen]] 12:42, 24 Jul 2005 (EST)<br />
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::I think their reasoning is that if it were on NBC as opposed to SciFi, they'd get more viewers and thus more money - and if they had a show on each, then there'd be even more money than that. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 22:13, 24 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::I've got the theme songs of the first and second season, but don't know how to convert them into an .ogg file, can someone help? --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]<br />
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::::I'm afraid that we aren't going to be able to use them, anyway. For one, we need to have permission to use them anyway; as of right now, both themes are available on the season 1 soundtrack, and were we to post them, we'd probably get in trouble for copyright infringement. Something that I seriously do not want to occur. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:50, 30 September 2005 (EDT)<br />
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:::::Ah alright, not a problem. --[[User:Blacklight|Blacklight]]<br />
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== sop vs. SOP ==<br />
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In the discussion of the doctor's smoking habit. RDM calls this "my one sop to the idea of an idealized society". Someone well-intentioned added the definition "[Standard Operating Procedure]" after "sop", probably after looking it up on an online dictionary. Unfortunately, this is incorrect. "sop" in this case does not refer to the abbreviation SOP, but to the word "sop: noun, 1. A piece of food soaked or dipped in a liquid. 2a. Something yielded to placate or soothe. b. A bribe." <br />
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I simply removed the bracketed addition.--[[User:Jasontondro|Jasontondro]] 15:19, 23 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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: You're right, but the funny part is, the second, "incorrect" context does actually "fit" as well. :) If you read it as ''"... my one Standard Operating Procedure to the idea..."'' you can hear the sarcasm. A little disjointed, but still. But yes, you are right, it should be "sop". -- [[User:Hawke|Hawke]] 14:46, 16 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Caseless Ammo? ==<br />
From the official statements: "[The bullets] are some sort of caseless ammunition." Hmmm. That would make [[Flight of the Phoenix|sabotaging the casing]] a little bit more difficult then, wouldn't it? Bah. This is why writers hate being pinned down by technical details. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:45, 16 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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Haha, this after showing us cased ammo for two seasons? They could've still had ammo sabotage with caseless ammo, though, it would have been spiking the propellant shroud of the shell. 10 minutes of research would've been enough to come up with that, if they'd bothered (I assume writers are at bare minimum as creative as myself ;) ). I think if they were too lazy to make up caseless round props for the episode, they shouldn't try to dance their way around what they chose to show. Maybe someone should drop RDM an email about something called "combustable casing". Since we don't see Vipers ejecting spent shells during gun operation, that's probably the best solution. Either that or they hold on to the empty shells, not really a good thing considering that means they'd hold on to a lot of heat from firing the guns and heat disappation is a pain in space. --[[User:David Templar|David Templar]] 15:19, 17 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Just so everyone knows.... ==<br />
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I am heavily working on the content of the page to format it with the Portal pages. Please do not revert my changes. Thank you!<br />
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== Crashdown/Billy Conspiracy ==<br />
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okay, what is the policy for removing characters from the stars/co-stars list? I noticed crashdown was removed and wondered if Billy should be as well. It seems like Billy has done more, but he is dead now.<br />
--[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 23:20, 23 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki:Island_of_Misfit_Images&diff=37978Battlestar Wiki:Island of Misfit Images2006-03-13T19:24:12Z<p>Aggie: /* Logos */ linked to on Epiphanies.</p>
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[[Image:Saul Tigh promo.jpg|thumb|left|Based on no further discussion on Tigh's talk page, I put the old one back and moved this here. Is this the right category to drop it into? If not, please someone move it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 01:39, 8 February 2006 (EST)]]<br />
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[[Image:Bscap432.jpg|thumb|left|The "other" Racetrack pic. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 08:57, 1 February 2006 (EST)]]<br />
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[[Image:SharonVal.jpg|thumb|left|Where have I seen this before... oh. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:31, 14 February 2006 (EST)]]<br />
[[Image:Act of Contrition-Crashdown.jpg|thumb|left|Used to be on character page. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:48, 16 February 2006 (EST)]]<br />
[[Image:Bscap134.jpg|thumb|left|Hoshi, replaced by "Captain's Hand" shot. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 22:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)]]<br />
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[[Image:Valerii optic input.jpg|thumb|left|I want this for the Humano-Cylon or Cylon Models article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:45, 19 January 2006 (EST)]]<br />
[[Image:Bscap383.jpg|thumb|left|Maybe good for the [[Humano-Cylon]] article on how Humano-Cylons can succumb to mental injury? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:39, 31 January 2006 (EST)]]<br />
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| Title= Epiphanies<br />
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]<br />
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]<br />
| Episode= 13<br />
| Guests=[[IMDB:nm0272173|Colm Feore]] as President [[Richard Adar|Adar]]<br />
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1403671|Joel Anderson Thompson]]<br />
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| Director=[[IMDB:nm0362738|Rod Hardy]]<br />
| Production=2.13<br />
| Rating= 1.9<br />
| US Airdate=January 20 2006<br />
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| Population=49,598<br />
| Prev= [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]<br />
| Next= [[Black Market]]<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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: ''Admiral [[William Adama]] questions whether or not [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon Valerii]]'s pregnancy should be aborted. Meanwhile Roslin's health declines rapidly as a pro-Cylon peace group attempts to sow violence and discontent within the Fleet.''<br />
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== Summary == <br />
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* President [[Laura Roslin]] is brought on board ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]''. She has days to live.<br />
* Captain [[Kara Thrace]] and Lieutenant [[Louanne Katraine]] are conducting Viper tests. During a test of the Viper's projectile systems, Kat's port gun is destroyed and a piece of it impacts on Thrace's cockpit.<br />
* [[Cally]] and CPO [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] discover that several rounds of ammunition from the damaged Viper are unusually light and fragile. These rounds break and misfire, leaving the projectile lodged in the barrel. When the next round fires, the overpressure destroys the gun. They determine the ammunition has been sabotaged.<br />
*The sabotage investigation quickly leads [[Lee Adama]] and Kara Thrace to [[Asha Janik]], one of the recent civilian hirees in ''Galactica's'' armory. When they apprehend her, she declares her allegiance to an organization claiming to want peace with the Cylons.<br />
*Vice President [[Gaius Baltar]] is given the presidential tour by [[Billy Keikeya]] in preparation for his assumption of the Presidency. Billy reveals a letter from Roslin, to be opened upon her death. <br />
* The new peace movement, led by [[Royan Jahee]], gains momentum as the civilian population begins to realize that victory against the Cylons is impossible and questions the fleet's 'attack-and-retreat' tactics. <br />
* An infusion of [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Sharon's]] fetal blood ostensibly destroys the cancerous masses in Roslin's system. Sharon's pregnancy is allowed to continue for further research.<br />
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===On Caprica Prior to the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|Cylon Attack]]===<br />
*Roslin finds out she has cancer.<br />
*Roslin meets with President Adar to discuss a teacher's strike, and his response.<br />
*Roslin meets with the leader of the educational alliance, [[Naylin Stans]], and strikes an agreement.<br />
*Adar disagrees with Roslin's methods and results, and asks for her resignation.<br />
*Roslin refuses to resign and departs for ''Galactica's'' decommissioning ceremony.<br />
*Roslin sees [[Gaius Baltar]] with [[Number Six]] in her dream state. She then seems alarmed to see Dr. Baltar when she wakes up and tries to say something to him.<br />
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== Questions == <br />
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*Kara Thrace is flying Mk. II vipers with Galactica's pilots again. Is she still the CAG of ''Pegasus''?<br />
**According to interviews with RDM, Starbuck is still the ''Pegasus'' CAG. There's nothing to say she couldn't just continue flying joint missions with ''Galactica'', etc. <br />
***Indeed, Kat remarks that Starbuck is "late" for flying the CAP, presumably the patrols are now a joint effort between the two Battlestars, possibly as an attempt to boost intraship morale after they nearly destroyed one another.<br />
*Now that Roslin recalls Baltar's involvement with a Cylon agent on Caprica, what will she do about it?<br />
*Will there be any consequences for Helo's near-mutiny?<br />
*Will Roslin's attitude toward the Cylon fetus change following her recovery?<br />
**Ronald D. Moore's podcast implies that her urgency was only prompted by her lack of faith in Baltar's ability to handle the situation. Will she be content to let to Sharon carry to term now that her survival is no longer in question?<br />
*Roslin's recent series of Machiavellian orders (Cain's assassination in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]", and the forced abortion here) appear to have been facilitated by her belief that, given her impending death, she wouldn't have to deal with the ethical ramifications. Will this alter her relationship with Admiral Adama in the long term?<br />
*Is security really so lax that Baltar (whom Adama does not consider especially trustworthy) would be able to smuggle one of ''Galactica's'' very few nuclear warheads off-ship?<br />
**He didn't steal it from the armory, it's the one he used to build the Cylon detector; he's got 24 hours a day unrestricted access to it.<br />
**Raptors are capable of detecting radiological devices. Why wasn't the bomb noticed in transit? If it's possible to effectively shield a nuclear device from detection, why don't the Cylons do this to their own warheads?<br />
**Alternately, is the nuclear device actually functional? <br />
**According to Ron Moore's podcast, the nuke storyline will be dealt with in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" and "...Part II" to end the season.<br />
**How much of the device was used for Baltar's "Cylon Detector"? Has it been dismantled to restore the explosive? <br />
*Why aren't there posters of [[Gina]] scattered all over the fleet to inform everyone of her Cylon identity, making it difficult for her to hide, let alone lead a Cylon-sympathy movement?<br />
**Ronald Moore did admit during his podcast that this was Gina's "Clark Kent" disguise and it was very shaky the way they played it off that nobody would recognize her. Will this loose end be tied-up in some future story line when they get further into the Colonial underground storylines that the next few episodes are supposed to follow?<br />
**On the other hand, Gina does not appear to be leaving her room on ''Cloud 9'' that much, and the humans who do see her are Cylon sympathizers anyway.<br />
*Does Gina "remember" Number Six's memories about having a relationship with Baltar on Caprica, or even after? In "[[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]", she did not seem to know him, as Baltar introduced himself to her and explained that he had a relationship with another Cylon copy of her model. Here, however, it sort of seems like she remembers having a physical relationship with him, but isn't "ready" to go back to that after her torture. Then again, her lines also be interpreted to mean that she really never "knew" about him before she met him on ''Pegasus''. The process of Cylon memory-transfer and systematic updating isn't very well understood at this point.<br />
*Why is it that in the last episode, "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", Sharon is not noticeably pregnant even when wearing a close-fitting tank top, but is now suddenly visibly quite progressed in her pregnancy?<br />
**The same may be said of the physical condition of Gina. She now has no noticeable scars or other markings from her ordeal on Pegasus. Baltar does comment when he sees Number Six in the corridor, however, that it has been several weeks since he saw her last. This could help explain the noticeably pregnant Sharon.<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
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* The survivor count this episode is 49,598, a net loss of six since [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]. [[Helena Cain|Admiral Cain]] and the ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' marine killed by [[Gina]] account for two. Presumably the remaining were pilots or crew lost during the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship|attack]] on the [[Resurrection Ship]].<br />
** This seems to be extremely good fortune, as the two battlestars engaged in a major fleet action for an extended time.<br />
* Roslin's affair with Adar was suggested by her comment in the [[miniseries]] that "he had a way about him... you just couldn't say 'no' to him."<br />
*Naylin Stans implies that he believes the teacher's strike is a cause worth dying for. This claim is ridiculously hyperbolic.<br />
**The fact that President Adar was willing to use the military to enforce a back-to-work order seems to indicate that the protest must've been more serious than simple wage issues.<br />
*Roslin's medical chart showed her name and other information such as date of birth, but this information was too blurry for viewers to read.<br />
*Roslin's recollections of Baltar on Caprica do not match the same scene in the Miniseries. For example: Baltar and Six did walk together and kiss, and she was carrying the same case in her left hand, but they did not "make out" against a wall. Each character did end the miniseries scene by saying they were meeting someone else, however.<br />
**Logically, it wasn't the same scene. Baltar and Six were on Caprica for a while, and they could easily have been making at a different time on the same day. The episode actually makes no attempt to establish that Roslin is seeing the same scene of Baltar and Number Six (that we the viewers saw in the Miniseries), from a different angle.<br />
*Watching closely during the early scene when Starbuck and Kat are flying the CAP, it seems probable that actress Luciana Carro (Kat) said the real "F word" instead of the ersatz "[[Frak]]", which was then dubbed over (it's a closeup so you can tell her lips don't quite correspond to it). She actually seems to have done this in the past on many occasions.<br />
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===Serious Technical and Storyline Issues===<br />
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*Roslin's cancer cure was pure "deus ex machina." While many viewers may find Roslin's cure a necessary one as she has become a pivotal character in the show, the method of her cure leaves too many medical mistakes and is too easy of a cure.<br />
*Cancer is not a viral disease, like AIDS or the common cold, but an invasive destruction of tissue by mutated cells, which usurp the function of healthy cells. For the cure to work the way it did would require it not only to destroy free-floating cells and metastasized tissue, but to ''repair'' any organs with healthy tissue.<br />
**The human immune system does have some ability to suppress tumors, so a biological cure is not entirely implausible.<br />
*As cancer is not curable here on Earth, for the show to invent a cure at the last minute may feel contrived by some.<br />
**Some cancers are curable, especially at early stages (e.g. childhood leukemia, early cervical and types of skin cancer). Some cancers are caused by or associated with viruses (cervical cancer, Kaposi's sarcoma in AIDS). However, it would have been more plausible to have the cancer held at bay or even remitted but not necessarily cured for good.<br />
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Major plot elements that form a resolution in the show's past were generally introduced and left "in the air" for suspense over several episodes while both viewers and characters learned their significance. <br />
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*These include:<br />
**The search for the [[Arrow of Apollo]] and the search for the [[Tomb of Athena]]<br />
**The Experiment with Helo on Caprica (Season 1)<br />
**Adama's survival after his shooting<br />
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The "epiphany" of Baltar's cancer cure could have been worked over at least two or three episodes while he and Cottle studied Sharon Valerii's child, which is a logical way to work a cancer cure. Baltar is a tinkerer--the miracle working viewers saw in this episode would be best left to other characters in science fiction where such "magical" inventiveness might be expected. In "Battlestar Galactica", this sudden resolution of the second major plot element in the series (we hear of Roslin's terminal cancer diagnosis when we first see Roslin in the Miniseries) that has dire ramifications for the Fleet should not be resolved with the proverbial swipe of a writer's pen in a single episode.<br />
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It should be noted that the cure might not be permanent and the cancer may return in the future (as hinted by Ronald D. Moore in the podcast for this episode).<br />
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Other technical issues abound in this episode.<br />
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*A nuclear warhead was smuggled from ''Galactica'' to ''Cloud Nine''. How would such a device possibly get past the various [[Radiological Alarm|radiological sensors]] throughout the Fleet? This was a plot complication used in "[[Flesh and Bone]]" as well when a copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] claimed that a nuclear device was hidden in the Fleet. The writing element was difficult to believe in that episode, and it far less believable in this episode. Both the battlestar and the [[Raptor]] on which the freed "freedom movement" member left the ship are military vessels ''designed'' to sniff out hostile devices.<br />
**A significant dissent for Baltar's weapon contribution may be that the weapon he gave to the Demand Peace movement may not have ''any'' radioactive material inside it; Baltar gave them the warhead, but not the fissionable material inside. This reasoning has strong merit and precedence: (1) Baltar serves himself above all others. He wouldn't give away a weapon's plutonium which he is still personally accountable for, nor would he give such material away to people that could turn around and blow up the Fleet (and himself). (2) Baltar still needs the radiological material for his [[Cylon detector]] if a test is asked. (3) If [[Naturalistic science fiction|show creation principles]] hold true for this episode, conventional bomb materials (such [[G-4]] or sidearm ammunition) would NOT be detectable by radiological scanning. Either bomb types used on real-world Earth (fissionable-material bombs such as uranium or [[plutonium]] bombs, or fusion bombs such as hydrogen bombs) use conventional explosives to activate the trigger that creates a nuclear explosion. At best, the device that Baltar gave the Demand Peace movement may only be as dangerous as the makeshift explosive they used on the ''[[Daru Mozu]]''.<br />
**Like any device, [[Radiological Alarm|radiological sensors]] are only effective when they are online. It is possible that these sensors are intelligent enough to ignore known radioactive sources, such as Galatica's existing stores of nuclear warheads.<br />
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*The explosion of the bomb on the refinery ship is powerful enough to create a sizable hole on the ship. While space is a vacuum and so shock waves do not carry as they would in an atmosphere, the Raptor that flew close to the ship and was not very far from the explosion should probably be damaged from flying debris.<br />
**Raptors, being warships, presumably have some shielding against shrapnel.<br />
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== Notes == <br />
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* This episode begins 189 days after the Cylon attack on the colonies. There is a 48 hour gap between Roslin's deathbed treatment and her conversation with [[Royan Jahee]]. The number 189 given in this episode, as well as "six months" in the previous one, contradict the [[Timeline (RDM)|timeline]] which ''BattlestarWiki'' has developed to track dates. See the [[Talk:Timeline (RDM)#6 months?|''Talk'' page on the Timeline]] for a full breakdown.<br />
* [[Lee Adama]] is once again a Captain, and has been reinstated as ''Galactica's'' CAG. His authority apparently extends to the ''Pegasus'' squadrons as well. This is consistent with [[Cole Taylor]]'s authority over ''Galactica's'' air wing, when ''Pegasus'' was the flagship.<br />
* [[Gina]] has joined the Cylon sympathizers. The other members of the resistance are apparently unaware she is a [[Cylon agent]].<br />
* Roslin was in an intimate relationship with President Adar.<br />
*Roslin now recalls witnessing [[Gaius Baltar]]'s affair with a copy of [[Number Six]] on Caprica, prior to the attack.<br />
* The [[Media:Radiation Symbol.jpg|radiation symbol]] used by the colonials is different from the one used in reality, but is still easily recognizable.<br />
*''Galactica'' has been recruiting civilians to handle "grunt work" on the hangar deck.<br />
*Baltar was aware of the [[Demand Peace]] movement prior to this episode.<br />
*At least three bodies can be seen being vented into space after the explosion onboard ''[[Daru Mozu]]''.<br />
*The file photograph of Number Six is of [[Shelly Godfrey]], seen in the episode "[[Six Degrees of Separation]]".<br />
* The nuclear device Dr. Baltar gives the resistance is the same one he was given to create his [[Cylon detector]] in "[[Bastille Day]]".<br />
* ''Pegasus'' is barely featured in this episode, and none of her crew or interior locations are seen, except in the pre-episode recap.<br />
*Admiral Adama continues to wear his commander's [[uniform]] with new admiral's rank insignia at his collar.<br />
**Adama is a pragmatist who tends to eschew ceremony.<br />
*This episode, which contained the issue of abortion, was aired on January 20th, 2 days before the anniversary of the United States Supreme Court [[Wikipedia:Roe v. Wade|Roe v. Wade]] decision of 1973.<br />
**The issue of abortion was not, however, directly addressed—very few, if any, real-life abortions happen because of the national security implications of giving birth to a human-robot chimera.<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
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'''President Richard Adar:''' "One of the most interesting things about being President is that you don't have to explain yourself. To anyone."<br />
*Roslin earlier attributed this saying to Adar in the episode "[[Flesh and Bone]]".<br />
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'''Secretary Roslin:''' "I am on my way to the ''Galactica'' to represent this administration. When I return, if you still want my job, be prepared to fight."<br />
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<div>== The Cliffhanger ==<br />
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I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::: I don't think the Pegasus is going anywhere... I do wonder what the rescue operation will look like though. I haven't quit anything this week... except maybe worrying. --[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 09:58, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]<br />
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:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.<br />
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)<br />
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:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::: Well, actually, [[user:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]] was right! I don't know who he/she is, but (s)he knew what'll happen exactly in ''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'' Anyway, it's the best ep so far! --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 16:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== The Peace Proposal ==<br />
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I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Speechless ==<br />
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) <br />
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|D]]'''</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
That was totally awesome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: I was on pins and needles the entire time. It was so good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:56, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Well Then... ==<br />
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Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==<br />
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I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.<br />
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: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".'' <br />
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Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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My speculation is that the reason Conoy is seeking out Kara Thrace has more to do with the events that took place with Anders, Caprica 6 and Sharon(1) in the episode downloaded...the thing with the dogtag. but we will find out in october I suppose.--[[User:Strato|Strato]]<br />
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== DubyaBaltar ==<br />
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I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::See the dialogue section of [[Six Degrees of Separation]] for your answer Sgtpayne. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:31, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Just checked the page requested, and I'm not sure that's helping the argument. The statement is defensive in nature. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:37, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::It's not an argument, it's an explanation as to why we're calling him "Mr. Nice Gaius". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: I don't think that they are trying to Bush bash... If they were then Baltar would have been the one stealing the election. (I don't believe that Bush stole the election, but it is a common belief among Bush bashers.) Perhaps they are trying to comment on American elections in general and there are similarities, but I think the purpose is literary, not political. Oh, and definitely not article material- there is no way this could be unbiased. --[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 10:10, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Does anyone remember... ==<br />
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... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Got it. On a side note, there are lots of ''really'' sexist things Cottle could have said about a woman who can't open her mouth, so maybe he should get some credit for holding back... --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 10:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::None of us, neither the show or any users here, had even had that implication at any time enter our minds. Complete non sequitor. Disgusting to bring up such crudeness, Mr.JohnH. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Source?==<br />
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"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mario_Savio This is confirmed]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:34, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Thanks. Great that the show is so political.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:41, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I don't think it's political as much as it is human. This is [[Wikipedia: Naturalistic science fiction|"naturalistic" science fiction]], after all. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:56, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Gina's Scars==<br />
We can clearly see that Gina's back is still badly scarred from her treatment on ''Pegasus'' in this episode. However, I seem to recall her back being completely healed in "Epiphanies". Can anybody confirm? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Er, they're on her lower/mid back, while when she was wearing the tank top, you could only see her upper shoulder blades. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Playa==<br />
At the end of the episode (near the surrender), I thought I saw [[Playa Palacios|"Miss Exclusive"]], though it may have just been a similar-looking blonde. Can someone check this? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:She's not in the credits. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:03, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Survivor count==<br />
There's a drop of 29 between part 1 and 2: "''A more reasonable explanation is that there was a late update in the survivor count that took into account those who died off-screen during the Cylon attack on the Pegasus in "[[The Captain's Hand]]". Soldiers who are killed are often listed as MIA (Missing in Action) until they can be confirmed as KIA (Killed in Action). In the aftermath of the attack on the Pegasus, it would have taken a while to determine the exact number of crewmen and pilots killed. Also, there were probably a number of crewmen who died from injuries afterwards. As a result, a delay in updating the survivor count is quite likely''"--->No. The survivor count at the beginning of ''Part 1'' would have accounted for these losses. Part 2 takes place weeks, maybe even 2 months past "Captain's Hand"; even "[[Downloaded]]" comes in before there. 2 episodes and about 2 months passed, and we saw no further losses from Captain's Hand beyond the 5 on screen. And the Survivor Count is omniscient. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:05, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Once would assume that the Fleet has it share of black market thugs and suicidal people... Not everything has to be Cylon related. Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:22, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Yes, and I have always argued as such...but then that makes the static pop count from end of Captain's Hand through LDYB part I unrealistic itself. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:24, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Well, one would assume that people are reported as missing prior to being reported as dead. Hence the seemingly unrealistic count changes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:32, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Even though I STILL think those losses are most likely late figures from "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (I'm not going to argue about this), another possible reason for the drop could be the results of election-related riots/murders. Stuff like that happens. Either that or the writers just screwed up.--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 16:45, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::And, ultimately, that is the problem... it's all about '''thought''', not '''fact'''. Until we know for certain why these variances occur (and why they register when they do), we could think about it until our brains cry for more oxygen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:58, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Judging by our current standards and conventions, and just logic, no, it is impossible for these to be "left over" number from 3 full episodes ago. Think what you want, but don't add it back to the page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:49, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::: Just keep in mind, the "omniscient" Survivor Count is controlled by the writers just like everything else. And writers do make mistakes occasionally. Besides what other plausible explanations are there?--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 22:41, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Really? I had always assumed that it was controlled by mutant space monkeys. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:21, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cloud Nine bodycount. ==<br />
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Am I going completely fuzzy-headed here, or is the fact that Cloud Nine was destroyed before the transition to New Caprica being completely overlooked. <br />
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*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?<br />
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.<br />
***Actually, we have no idea how many people were still crewing the civilian ships in the Fleet when Galactica and Pegasus jumped away, so it could actually have been thousands less than that.''<br />
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The answers to the questions, as I remember what I saw, are completely irrelivant. Noone was colonizing the planet yet. <br />
Or am I completely loosing my mind [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 02:09, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
*No, you're quite sane. Admiral Adama had ordered the first teams to New Caprica just before the commercial break, Baltar's last night with Gina, the inauguration, and the blast. There probably wouldn't have been more than a handful of raptor teams on the surface at the time--not enough to make any appreciable dent in the population figures. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:51, 12 March 2006 (EST).<br />
::I am a little confused as to what your asking, but I will try and clarify:<br />
::The episode states that after a year, there are about 39,000 people on New Caprica. The Galactica and the Pegasus require about 5,000 crew between the two ships, but at the time of Baltars election, were only carrying about 4,000. However, it is made clear that the two battlestars are operating with skeleton crews - so lets say for the sake of arguement that thats 1/2 of normal, which would put the combined crews at 2,500. There are other ships in the defense fleet above New Caprica, looks to be about ten additional ships, if I remember correctly. Lets say they need 600 crew each (see [[The Fleet (RDM)]], but are also running with skeleton crews, which puts them at 10 x 600 = 6,000/2 = 3,000. Combine that with the battlestars crew, you get 5,500. Add that to 39,000 and you get 44,500. Compare with the pre-New Caprica pop of 49,000 and it looks like about 4,500 died in the Nuclear blast. So, no, the destuction of Cloud 9 was not overlooked, it was indeed factored into the New Caprican population. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:30, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Where should this error go? ==<br />
When we see it parked on the surface of New Caprica, [[Colonial One]] was missing the Colonial/presidential seal that we've seen before on its port side. Nobody would have scraped it off the hull. I know the people down there are desperate for resources, but ''paint chips''? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:56, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:Well the real answer is that they crew just plain old forgot to put it in the model, but forcontinuity's sake, it could be hypothesized that someone discontent with the Baltar Administration scraped off the seal in the middle of the night as if to say 'this man isn't fit to have the presidential seal on his office/spaceship.' --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 13:18, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I'd prefer to eschew the fanwankery and note it as the continuity glitch it is. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:28, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::'Fanwankery'? It is completely plausible that what I said ''might'' have happened, so how can you conclude that it was a glitch. There are many ways paint like that could have come off. Perhaps when they painted the seal on Colonial One they used a paint not suitable for atmospheric re-entry and it got burned off. Maybe there is some sort of corrosive rain on the plannet that solubilizes lower quality paint. Perhaps Baltar didn't like the design on the seal. The point is that even though it was most likely a continuity glitch it is not ''nesscearily'' one. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::[[Wikipedia:Fanwank|Fanwank]]. It's my new favorite word. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Eh, people... can we stop analyzing why the seal isn't on ''Colonial One''? It's more than likely a CGI glitch -- nothing more. Anything else is just unhealthy obsession. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:43, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== 6's credits voiceover ==<br />
Should it be part of this episode? It seems that there is no discussion of it here or anywhere else. -- [[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 14:426, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:That was a commercial for Season 3, not part of this episode. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 13:54, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Firefly connection ==<br />
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Greenleaf and Persephone; both were planets in Firefly. I noticed the Greenleaf back in Sacrifice, but this episode was the first time that I saw or heard Persephone. It's a nice little homage to Firefly, if it was even on purpose. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 15:20, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:No. You are grasping at straws. "Persephone" is a very generic, widely known Greco-Roman type name, and we only see it on a list briefly. As for "Greenleaf", it has been mentioned like 3 times in dialog, but this is in fact a reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings (both Firefly and Lord of the Rings appear to have named something after Legolas, independently of each other). However, that doesn't mean we should make a note saying "wow, both Firefly and BSG have a planet named Greenleaf"...because literally HUNDREDS of other books and tv shows have named stuff in homage to LOTR. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== We'll Be Back ==<br />
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Before the fleet jumps away, Adm. Adama announces, in McArthuresque fashion, that "We'll be back." So, I was floored to<br />
notice on the podcast for this episode (which I just got around to listening to) that Ron Moore offhandedly mentioned that Edward James Olmos would not be returning for season three. Did anyone else catch that? It was around 25 minutes into the podcast. <br />
--[[User:TomP|TomP]] 1:22, 13 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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:It was a JOKE. They were DRUNK. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Also, the Chief and Colonel Tigh got married offscreen in this episode, and Season 3 starts off 5 years in the future ;) --[[Bahamut|Bahamut]] 03:22, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Caprica Six or Gina? ==<br />
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The article says:<br />
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Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon?<br />
* Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely. <br />
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However, couldn't it actually be Gina, and not Caprica-Six? From what we've seen in ''Downloaded'', I doubt the "war heroes" would join the Cylon fleet, let alone try to enslave humanity. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 08:46, 13 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_II/Archive2&diff=37908Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive22006-03-13T15:58:38Z<p>Aggie: /* The Cliffhanger */</p>
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<div>== The Cliffhanger ==<br />
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I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::: I don't think the Pegasus is going anywhere... I do wonder what the rescue operation will look like though. I haven't quit anything this week... except maybe worrying. --[[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 09:58, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]<br />
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:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.<br />
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)<br />
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:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::: Well, actually, [[user:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]] was right! I don't know who he/she is, but (s)he knew what'll happen exactly in ''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'' Anyway, it's the best ep so far! --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 16:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== The Peace Proposal ==<br />
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I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Speechless ==<br />
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) <br />
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|D]]'''</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
That was totally awesome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: I was on pins and needles the entire time. It was so good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:56, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Well Then... ==<br />
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Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==<br />
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I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.<br />
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: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".'' <br />
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Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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My speculation is that the reason Conoy is seeking out Kara Thrace has more to do with the events that took place with Anders, Caprica 6 and Sharon(1) in the episode downloaded...the thing with the dogtag. but we will find out in october I suppose.--[[User:Strato|Strato]]<br />
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== DubyaBaltar ==<br />
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I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::See the dialogue section of [[Six Degrees of Separation]] for your answer Sgtpayne. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:31, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Just checked the page requested, and I'm not sure that's helping the argument. The statement is defensive in nature. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:37, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::It's not an argument, it's an explanation as to why we're calling him "Mr. Nice Gaius". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Does anyone remember... ==<br />
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... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Got it. On a side note, there are lots of ''really'' sexist things Cottle could have said about a woman who can't open her mouth, so maybe he should get some credit for holding back... --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 10:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::None of us, neither the show or any users here, had even had that implication at any time enter our minds. Complete non sequitor. Disgusting to bring up such crudeness, Mr.JohnH. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Source?==<br />
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"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mario_Savio This is confirmed]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:34, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Thanks. Great that the show is so political.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:41, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I don't think it's political as much as it is human. This is [[Wikipedia: Naturalistic science fiction|"naturalistic" science fiction]], after all. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:56, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Gina's Scars==<br />
We can clearly see that Gina's back is still badly scarred from her treatment on ''Pegasus'' in this episode. However, I seem to recall her back being completely healed in "Epiphanies". Can anybody confirm? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Er, they're on her lower/mid back, while when she was wearing the tank top, you could only see her upper shoulder blades. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Playa==<br />
At the end of the episode (near the surrender), I thought I saw [[Playa Palacios|"Miss Exclusive"]], though it may have just been a similar-looking blonde. Can someone check this? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:She's not in the credits. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:03, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Survivor count==<br />
There's a drop of 29 between part 1 and 2: "''A more reasonable explanation is that there was a late update in the survivor count that took into account those who died off-screen during the Cylon attack on the Pegasus in "[[The Captain's Hand]]". Soldiers who are killed are often listed as MIA (Missing in Action) until they can be confirmed as KIA (Killed in Action). In the aftermath of the attack on the Pegasus, it would have taken a while to determine the exact number of crewmen and pilots killed. Also, there were probably a number of crewmen who died from injuries afterwards. As a result, a delay in updating the survivor count is quite likely''"--->No. The survivor count at the beginning of ''Part 1'' would have accounted for these losses. Part 2 takes place weeks, maybe even 2 months past "Captain's Hand"; even "[[Downloaded]]" comes in before there. 2 episodes and about 2 months passed, and we saw no further losses from Captain's Hand beyond the 5 on screen. And the Survivor Count is omniscient. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:05, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Once would assume that the Fleet has it share of black market thugs and suicidal people... Not everything has to be Cylon related. Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:22, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Yes, and I have always argued as such...but then that makes the static pop count from end of Captain's Hand through LDYB part I unrealistic itself. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:24, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Well, one would assume that people are reported as missing prior to being reported as dead. Hence the seemingly unrealistic count changes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:32, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Even though I STILL think those losses are most likely late figures from "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (I'm not going to argue about this), another possible reason for the drop could be the results of election-related riots/murders. Stuff like that happens. Either that or the writers just screwed up.--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 16:45, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::And, ultimately, that is the problem... it's all about '''thought''', not '''fact'''. Until we know for certain why these variances occur (and why they register when they do), we could think about it until our brains cry for more oxygen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:58, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Judging by our current standards and conventions, and just logic, no, it is impossible for these to be "left over" number from 3 full episodes ago. Think what you want, but don't add it back to the page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:49, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::: Just keep in mind, the "omniscient" Survivor Count is controlled by the writers just like everything else. And writers do make mistakes occasionally. Besides what other plausible explanations are there?--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 22:41, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Really? I had always assumed that it was controlled by mutant space monkeys. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:21, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cloud Nine bodycount. ==<br />
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Am I going completely fuzzy-headed here, or is the fact that Cloud Nine was destroyed before the transition to New Caprica being completely overlooked. <br />
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*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?<br />
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.<br />
***Actually, we have no idea how many people were still crewing the civilian ships in the Fleet when Galactica and Pegasus jumped away, so it could actually have been thousands less than that.''<br />
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The answers to the questions, as I remember what I saw, are completely irrelivant. Noone was colonizing the planet yet. <br />
Or am I completely loosing my mind [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 02:09, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
*No, you're quite sane. Admiral Adama had ordered the first teams to New Caprica just before the commercial break, Baltar's last night with Gina, the inauguration, and the blast. There probably wouldn't have been more than a handful of raptor teams on the surface at the time--not enough to make any appreciable dent in the population figures. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:51, 12 March 2006 (EST).<br />
::I am a little confused as to what your asking, but I will try and clarify:<br />
::The episode states that after a year, there are about 39,000 people on New Caprica. The Galactica and the Pegasus require about 5,000 crew between the two ships, but at the time of Baltars election, were only carrying about 4,000. However, it is made clear that the two battlestars are operating with skeleton crews - so lets say for the sake of arguement that thats 1/2 of normal, which would put the combined crews at 2,500. There are other ships in the defense fleet above New Caprica, looks to be about ten additional ships, if I remember correctly. Lets say they need 600 crew each (see [[The Fleet (RDM)]], but are also running with skeleton crews, which puts them at 10 x 600 = 6,000/2 = 3,000. Combine that with the battlestars crew, you get 5,500. Add that to 39,000 and you get 44,500. Compare with the pre-New Caprica pop of 49,000 and it looks like about 4,500 died in the Nuclear blast. So, no, the destuction of Cloud 9 was not overlooked, it was indeed factored into the New Caprican population. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:30, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Where should this error go? ==<br />
When we see it parked on the surface of New Caprica, [[Colonial One]] was missing the Colonial/presidential seal that we've seen before on its port side. Nobody would have scraped it off the hull. I know the people down there are desperate for resources, but ''paint chips''? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:56, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:Well the real answer is that they crew just plain old forgot to put it in the model, but forcontinuity's sake, it could be hypothesized that someone discontent with the Baltar Administration scraped off the seal in the middle of the night as if to say 'this man isn't fit to have the presidential seal on his office/spaceship.' --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 13:18, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I'd prefer to eschew the fanwankery and note it as the continuity glitch it is. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:28, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::'Fanwankery'? It is completely plausible that what I said ''might'' have happened, so how can you conclude that it was a glitch. There are many ways paint like that could have come off. Perhaps when they painted the seal on Colonial One they used a paint not suitable for atmospheric re-entry and it got burned off. Maybe there is some sort of corrosive rain on the plannet that solubilizes lower quality paint. Perhaps Baltar didn't like the design on the seal. The point is that even though it was most likely a continuity glitch it is not ''nesscearily'' one. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::[[Wikipedia:Fanwank|Fanwank]]. It's my new favorite word. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Eh, people... can we stop analyzing why the seal isn't on ''Colonial One''? It's more than likely a CGI glitch -- nothing more. Anything else is just unhealthy obsession. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:43, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== 6's credits voiceover ==<br />
Should it be part of this episode? It seems that there is no discussion of it here or anywhere else. -- [[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 14:426, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:That was a commercial for Season 3, not part of this episode. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 13:54, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Firefly connection ==<br />
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Greenleaf and Persephone; both were planets in Firefly. I noticed the Greenleaf back in Sacrifice, but this episode was the first time that I saw or heard Persephone. It's a nice little homage to Firefly, if it was even on purpose. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 15:20, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:No. You are grasping at straws. "Persephone" is a very generic, widely known Greco-Roman type name, and we only see it on a list briefly. As for "Greenleaf", it has been mentioned like 3 times in dialog, but this is in fact a reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings (both Firefly and Lord of the Rings appear to have named something after Legolas, independently of each other). However, that doesn't mean we should make a note saying "wow, both Firefly and BSG have a planet named Greenleaf"...because literally HUNDREDS of other books and tv shows have named stuff in homage to LOTR. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== We'll Be Back ==<br />
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Before the fleet jumps away, Adm. Adama announces, in McArthuresque fashion, that "We'll be back." So, I was floored to<br />
notice on the podcast for this episode (which I just got around to listening to) that Ron Moore offhandedly mentioned that Edward James Olmos would not be returning for season three. Did anyone else catch that? It was around 25 minutes into the podcast. <br />
--[[User:TomP|TomP]] 1:22, 13 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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:It was a JOKE. They were DRUNK. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Also, the Chief and Colonel Tigh got married offscreen in this episode, and Season 3 starts off 5 years in the future ;) --[[Bahamut|Bahamut]] 03:22, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Caprica Six or Gina? ==<br />
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The article says:<br />
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Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon?<br />
* Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely. <br />
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However, couldn't it actually be Gina, and not Caprica-Six? From what we've seen in ''Downloaded'', I doubt the "war heroes" would join the Cylon fleet, let alone try to enslave humanity. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 08:46, 13 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_II/Archive2&diff=37907Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive22006-03-13T15:58:13Z<p>Aggie: /* The Cliffhanger */</p>
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<div>== The Cliffhanger ==<br />
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I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::: I don't think the Pegasus is going anywhere... I do wonder what the rescue operation will look like though. I haven't quit anything this week... except maybe worrying. [[User:Aggie|Aggie]] 09:58, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]<br />
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:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.<br />
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)<br />
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:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::: Well, actually, [[user:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]] was right! I don't know who he/she is, but (s)he knew what'll happen exactly in ''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'' Anyway, it's the best ep so far! --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 16:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== The Peace Proposal ==<br />
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I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Speechless ==<br />
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) <br />
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|D]]'''</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
That was totally awesome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: I was on pins and needles the entire time. It was so good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:56, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Well Then... ==<br />
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Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==<br />
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I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.<br />
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: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".'' <br />
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Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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My speculation is that the reason Conoy is seeking out Kara Thrace has more to do with the events that took place with Anders, Caprica 6 and Sharon(1) in the episode downloaded...the thing with the dogtag. but we will find out in october I suppose.--[[User:Strato|Strato]]<br />
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== DubyaBaltar ==<br />
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I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::See the dialogue section of [[Six Degrees of Separation]] for your answer Sgtpayne. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:31, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Just checked the page requested, and I'm not sure that's helping the argument. The statement is defensive in nature. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:37, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::It's not an argument, it's an explanation as to why we're calling him "Mr. Nice Gaius". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Does anyone remember... ==<br />
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... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Got it. On a side note, there are lots of ''really'' sexist things Cottle could have said about a woman who can't open her mouth, so maybe he should get some credit for holding back... --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 10:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::None of us, neither the show or any users here, had even had that implication at any time enter our minds. Complete non sequitor. Disgusting to bring up such crudeness, Mr.JohnH. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Source?==<br />
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"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mario_Savio This is confirmed]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:34, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Thanks. Great that the show is so political.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:41, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I don't think it's political as much as it is human. This is [[Wikipedia: Naturalistic science fiction|"naturalistic" science fiction]], after all. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:56, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Gina's Scars==<br />
We can clearly see that Gina's back is still badly scarred from her treatment on ''Pegasus'' in this episode. However, I seem to recall her back being completely healed in "Epiphanies". Can anybody confirm? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Er, they're on her lower/mid back, while when she was wearing the tank top, you could only see her upper shoulder blades. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Playa==<br />
At the end of the episode (near the surrender), I thought I saw [[Playa Palacios|"Miss Exclusive"]], though it may have just been a similar-looking blonde. Can someone check this? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:She's not in the credits. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:03, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Survivor count==<br />
There's a drop of 29 between part 1 and 2: "''A more reasonable explanation is that there was a late update in the survivor count that took into account those who died off-screen during the Cylon attack on the Pegasus in "[[The Captain's Hand]]". Soldiers who are killed are often listed as MIA (Missing in Action) until they can be confirmed as KIA (Killed in Action). In the aftermath of the attack on the Pegasus, it would have taken a while to determine the exact number of crewmen and pilots killed. Also, there were probably a number of crewmen who died from injuries afterwards. As a result, a delay in updating the survivor count is quite likely''"--->No. The survivor count at the beginning of ''Part 1'' would have accounted for these losses. Part 2 takes place weeks, maybe even 2 months past "Captain's Hand"; even "[[Downloaded]]" comes in before there. 2 episodes and about 2 months passed, and we saw no further losses from Captain's Hand beyond the 5 on screen. And the Survivor Count is omniscient. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:05, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Once would assume that the Fleet has it share of black market thugs and suicidal people... Not everything has to be Cylon related. Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:22, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Yes, and I have always argued as such...but then that makes the static pop count from end of Captain's Hand through LDYB part I unrealistic itself. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:24, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Well, one would assume that people are reported as missing prior to being reported as dead. Hence the seemingly unrealistic count changes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:32, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Even though I STILL think those losses are most likely late figures from "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (I'm not going to argue about this), another possible reason for the drop could be the results of election-related riots/murders. Stuff like that happens. Either that or the writers just screwed up.--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 16:45, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::And, ultimately, that is the problem... it's all about '''thought''', not '''fact'''. Until we know for certain why these variances occur (and why they register when they do), we could think about it until our brains cry for more oxygen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:58, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Judging by our current standards and conventions, and just logic, no, it is impossible for these to be "left over" number from 3 full episodes ago. Think what you want, but don't add it back to the page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:49, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::: Just keep in mind, the "omniscient" Survivor Count is controlled by the writers just like everything else. And writers do make mistakes occasionally. Besides what other plausible explanations are there?--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 22:41, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Really? I had always assumed that it was controlled by mutant space monkeys. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:21, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cloud Nine bodycount. ==<br />
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Am I going completely fuzzy-headed here, or is the fact that Cloud Nine was destroyed before the transition to New Caprica being completely overlooked. <br />
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*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?<br />
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.<br />
***Actually, we have no idea how many people were still crewing the civilian ships in the Fleet when Galactica and Pegasus jumped away, so it could actually have been thousands less than that.''<br />
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The answers to the questions, as I remember what I saw, are completely irrelivant. Noone was colonizing the planet yet. <br />
Or am I completely loosing my mind [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 02:09, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
*No, you're quite sane. Admiral Adama had ordered the first teams to New Caprica just before the commercial break, Baltar's last night with Gina, the inauguration, and the blast. There probably wouldn't have been more than a handful of raptor teams on the surface at the time--not enough to make any appreciable dent in the population figures. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:51, 12 March 2006 (EST).<br />
::I am a little confused as to what your asking, but I will try and clarify:<br />
::The episode states that after a year, there are about 39,000 people on New Caprica. The Galactica and the Pegasus require about 5,000 crew between the two ships, but at the time of Baltars election, were only carrying about 4,000. However, it is made clear that the two battlestars are operating with skeleton crews - so lets say for the sake of arguement that thats 1/2 of normal, which would put the combined crews at 2,500. There are other ships in the defense fleet above New Caprica, looks to be about ten additional ships, if I remember correctly. Lets say they need 600 crew each (see [[The Fleet (RDM)]], but are also running with skeleton crews, which puts them at 10 x 600 = 6,000/2 = 3,000. Combine that with the battlestars crew, you get 5,500. Add that to 39,000 and you get 44,500. Compare with the pre-New Caprica pop of 49,000 and it looks like about 4,500 died in the Nuclear blast. So, no, the destuction of Cloud 9 was not overlooked, it was indeed factored into the New Caprican population. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:30, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Where should this error go? ==<br />
When we see it parked on the surface of New Caprica, [[Colonial One]] was missing the Colonial/presidential seal that we've seen before on its port side. Nobody would have scraped it off the hull. I know the people down there are desperate for resources, but ''paint chips''? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:56, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:Well the real answer is that they crew just plain old forgot to put it in the model, but forcontinuity's sake, it could be hypothesized that someone discontent with the Baltar Administration scraped off the seal in the middle of the night as if to say 'this man isn't fit to have the presidential seal on his office/spaceship.' --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 13:18, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I'd prefer to eschew the fanwankery and note it as the continuity glitch it is. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:28, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::'Fanwankery'? It is completely plausible that what I said ''might'' have happened, so how can you conclude that it was a glitch. There are many ways paint like that could have come off. Perhaps when they painted the seal on Colonial One they used a paint not suitable for atmospheric re-entry and it got burned off. Maybe there is some sort of corrosive rain on the plannet that solubilizes lower quality paint. Perhaps Baltar didn't like the design on the seal. The point is that even though it was most likely a continuity glitch it is not ''nesscearily'' one. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::[[Wikipedia:Fanwank|Fanwank]]. It's my new favorite word. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Eh, people... can we stop analyzing why the seal isn't on ''Colonial One''? It's more than likely a CGI glitch -- nothing more. Anything else is just unhealthy obsession. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:43, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== 6's credits voiceover ==<br />
Should it be part of this episode? It seems that there is no discussion of it here or anywhere else. -- [[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 14:426, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:That was a commercial for Season 3, not part of this episode. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 13:54, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Firefly connection ==<br />
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Greenleaf and Persephone; both were planets in Firefly. I noticed the Greenleaf back in Sacrifice, but this episode was the first time that I saw or heard Persephone. It's a nice little homage to Firefly, if it was even on purpose. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 15:20, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:No. You are grasping at straws. "Persephone" is a very generic, widely known Greco-Roman type name, and we only see it on a list briefly. As for "Greenleaf", it has been mentioned like 3 times in dialog, but this is in fact a reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings (both Firefly and Lord of the Rings appear to have named something after Legolas, independently of each other). However, that doesn't mean we should make a note saying "wow, both Firefly and BSG have a planet named Greenleaf"...because literally HUNDREDS of other books and tv shows have named stuff in homage to LOTR. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== We'll Be Back ==<br />
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Before the fleet jumps away, Adm. Adama announces, in McArthuresque fashion, that "We'll be back." So, I was floored to<br />
notice on the podcast for this episode (which I just got around to listening to) that Ron Moore offhandedly mentioned that Edward James Olmos would not be returning for season three. Did anyone else catch that? It was around 25 minutes into the podcast. <br />
--[[User:TomP|TomP]] 1:22, 13 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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:It was a JOKE. They were DRUNK. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Also, the Chief and Colonel Tigh got married offscreen in this episode, and Season 3 starts off 5 years in the future ;) --[[Bahamut|Bahamut]] 03:22, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Caprica Six or Gina? ==<br />
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The article says:<br />
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Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon?<br />
* Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely. <br />
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However, couldn't it actually be Gina, and not Caprica-Six? From what we've seen in ''Downloaded'', I doubt the "war heroes" would join the Cylon fleet, let alone try to enslave humanity. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 08:46, 13 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_II/Archive2&diff=37906Talk:Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II/Archive22006-03-13T15:57:34Z<p>Aggie: /* The Cliffhanger */</p>
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<div>== The Cliffhanger ==<br />
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I'm betting that Baltar's little gift to the [[Demand Peace]] movement makes its way to ''Pegasus'' and is about to destroy or mortally damage the battlestar in this season closer. Mortally damaging it makes more sense to allow ''Galactica'' (and the show) to gather some of the new resources that ''Pegasus'' brought before it has to be removed from the picture. Perhaps, in coordination with a probable Cylon attack, ''Pegasus'' may end up doing a "[[The Living Legend, Part II|Commander Cain charge]]" at the start of Season 3. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quite drinking...--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 12:02, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Is it just me, or does the second season seem to be bouncing from cliffhanger to cliffhanger, with the in-between episodes being nothing but filler? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:08, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::It isn't just you... Looks like I picked one hell of a week to quit sniffing glue. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:22, 13 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::I don't mind the "filler" episodes. I believe you need them to set up future stories down the road. I believe PEGASUS will stick around for one or two episodes next year(Gives them time to strip her down)....Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit amphetamines!--[[User:Quig|Quig]] 16:36, 15 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::: I don't think the Pegasus is going anywhere... I do wonder what the rescue operation will look like though. I haven't quit anything this week... except maybe worrying.<br />
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There's no cliffhanger, really. The Cylons win, humanity is occupied and the ships of the fleet are essentially empty with everyone down on Cylon-occupied New Caprica. The show is completely different from here on out. Cloud Nine is gone (which from a production standpoint makes sense--- no need for a planet-like ship when they have an actual planet) and all the leads but Lee, Adama and possibly Sharon are on the planet, hoping not to be killed by their new Cylon overlords. It's awesome. Oh, girlBilly seems to be sticking around as a character as well. [[User:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]]<br />
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:You have no idea; that's just fanfic. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:11, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Could one or the other of you please explain what that last enormous edit-and-reversion was all about? Numbertwelve, have you seen the episode in question? Are you passing on reports from other sources, and if so, can you identify them? Merv, are you familiar with a fanfic that resembles his description? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Well, it sounds like he was just posting his own ''guesses/fanfic ideas'' without any basis on actual material, so I cleaned it up. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 21:31, 24 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::::I believe that the info is coming from [http://greycoupon.livejournal.com/3808.html BIG SPOILERS]. Don't know the validity of it though.<br />
:::::Based on the what I've read of the Part I summary, I'd say that the information was actually accurate. That said, I'm not sure this site really wants to post detailed episode summaries before the episode has actually aired anywhere, especially when we have no way of confirming the source.--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:35, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::: In all likelihood, numbertwelve's comments stem from [http://www.patriotresource.com/bg/insights/spoilers/season2b.html here]. --[[User:Watcher|Watcher]] 03:24, 8 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::: Judging by that picture, I think those spoilers might be right, though I seriously hope they are dead wrong, anyone else hope this? --[[User:LeobenConoy|LeobenConoy]] 02:30, 10 March 2006 (TST)<br />
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:::::::: It certainly would be a heck of a sharp turn for the series, but, y'know, I'm OK with that. RDM really kinda needs to keep making sharp turns to keep the series from falling too much into the established track of the Original Series, for one thing. For another thing, I like surprises :-) I don't want this story to become too predictable. Actually, when I look back over the two seasons to date, RDM et alia have not allowed us to settle into anything like a routine for more than a few episodes before they kick over the tables again. That's a good thing. That said, if the spoilers are in fact correct...it's going to be a long six months 'til we find out how the situation resolves itself...--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:12, 9 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::::::: Well, actually, [[user:numbertwelve|numbertwelve]] was right! I don't know who he/she is, but (s)he knew what'll happen exactly in ''[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]'' Anyway, it's the best ep so far! --[[User:Nyiz|Nyiz]] 16:14, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== The Peace Proposal ==<br />
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I haven't actually seen "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]", yet (I don't have cable, so I'm basically watching via DVD as time allows), but reading the summary, I see no mention of the Cylon peace proposal in the story as aired. It looks as though the preliminary data for the episodes was somewhat misleading, and that the peace proposal won't come until Part II. The Part II article, however, still reflects the old information. Should this be changed now? Or just wait for Friday's airing and the full summary?--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 10:32, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Speechless ==<br />
Holy crap they turned everything on its head. I can't think of a better way of stating the obvious. ONE YEAR LATER!?!?!? Crap. [[User:Rocky8311|Rocky8311]] 22:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Yep...and we'll have to wait about that frakkin' long to find out WTF happens next...:) <br />
[[User:Joemc72|Joe McCullough]] 22:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Well, look at it this way - if they ever want to bring [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]] back due to chronology issues, they now have an excuse. Actually, I'm surprised they didn't have the character (if not the actor) doing a cameo in the schooltent.--<font color="#4b0082">'''[[User:Mitsukai|D]]'''</font> <font color="#2f4f4f">'''''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'''''</font> 23:23, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I personally was asking, "Where's the kicker?" Well, nothing like a second Cylon occupation to do that for you. As for October...hell, they haven't even started shooting the season yet. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 22:32, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::You really have to find it pretty ironic that Baltar's fraked over the Colonies again. He gives Gina the bomb, fraks her, she blows up Cloud 9 (and Gods know how many ships she took with her in that blast) and Baltar forces everyone to colonize the plantet... and the Cylons find it because of the nuclear blast. How's that for a kicker? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:36, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Katee Sackhoff has to grow out her hair. She can't keep using that wig all season. Well, and the writers haven't figured out what the hell they're going to do now :P [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 23:06, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::I'm not sure when this episode was filmed, but she still has a month to go before they start shooting Season 3, according to SciFi. I'm sure Moore and friends have plenty of ideas to go with. The questions posted for this episode should give some possible ideas, if they even read this thing. :P --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
That was totally awesome. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:37, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: I was on pins and needles the entire time. It was so good! --[[User:Shane|Shane]] 11:56, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Well Then... ==<br />
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Wasn't that something. I glanced over the rumors prior, but it has to be seen to get the real effect. That, and I was hoping they were dead wrong. --[[User:Michael|Michael]] 22:16, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought generally the execution of these spoilers was much better than my expections. --[[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 00:10, 11 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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== "Rampant speculation" re Starbuck/Conoy connection ==<br />
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I don't think that the ''analysis'' section is the place for something with little backing... at least currently.<br />
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: ''Although this is rampant speculation, given the warped obsession/relationship that Leoben has with Starbuck, is it possible that Starbuck's stolen egg cells from "[[The Farm]]" were fertilized with genetic material from the Leoben model to create a new Hybrid? The Cylons do seem to think she's "special".'' <br />
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Anyone agree or disagree? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: To expand my point further, ''Conoy'' believed that Starbuck was special. Just because Conoy is a Cylon doesn't mean the ''Cylons'' share his belief. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:00, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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No arguements here. I've always been fuzzy on the exact parameters of the "analysis" section, however, this thought occurred to me when I remembered that A) They said that Starbuck's missing ovaries would be mentioned before the end of the season, B) It's going to be a major plot point in season 3.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:03, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: Well, in keeping with the original inspiration for the Wiki -- The Lurker's Guide to B5 -- the analysis section has always analyzed the episode. For instance, what the episode had to say, how that fit in to the grand tapestry, how that fit into real life, and things of that nature. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:12, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Long live the Lurkers guide! Best guide ever. There's also a B5 wiki being created (see my user page for the link). --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:25, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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My speculation is that the reason Conoy is seeking out Kara Thrace has more to do with the events that took place with Anders, Caprica 6 and Sharon(1) in the episode downloaded...the thing with the dogtag. but we will find out in october I suppose.--[[User:Strato|Strato]]<br />
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== DubyaBaltar ==<br />
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I'd never put this in the actual wiki article, but does it strike anyone else who many jabs they're getting it at another ridiculously incompetent president? "I don't have to listen to the facts...I'm the president". etc. ''Remember, Remember the Fifth of November''.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:08, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Though I don't think GWB has harems. Mr. Nice Gaius seems to have him beat there. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:11, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:I thought it was a reference to Roslin and Adar's statements about "the nice thing about being President..." --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 23:13, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Well, Adar said that first. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:15, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Plus, Baltar was good friends with Adar prior to the attack. The womanizing was just good 'ol self-serving Baltar. And, when was Gaius ever nice? --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:28, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::See the dialogue section of [[Six Degrees of Separation]] for your answer Sgtpayne. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:31, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::Just checked the page requested, and I'm not sure that's helping the argument. The statement is defensive in nature. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:37, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::::It's not an argument, it's an explanation as to why we're calling him "Mr. Nice Gaius". [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 20:51, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Does anyone remember... ==<br />
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... that crack Cottle made to Cally regarding women talking * (Actually, the good Doctor said "Complain") even when their jaws are wired shut? If so, we should note it under the dialogue section and perhaps on Cottle's page (he seems to have a penchant for sexist dialogue). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:18, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:You know, Joe, I don't know why you point out "Cottle made a sexist remark here" the times that he does (Downloaded, etc.) I mean that's the type of character he is. I mean, we wouldn't list off "well, Archie Bunker did this sexist thing" in an ''All in the Family'' episode guide. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Good point. Still, since it is a part of his personality, I believe it should be noted appropriately. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 23:29, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Got it. On a side note, there are lots of ''really'' sexist things Cottle could have said about a woman who can't open her mouth, so maybe he should get some credit for holding back... --[[User:JohnH|JohnH]] 10:39, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::None of us, neither the show or any users here, had even had that implication at any time enter our minds. Complete non sequitor. Disgusting to bring up such crudeness, Mr.JohnH. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:38, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Source?==<br />
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"Tyrol's union speech alludes to Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964."-->Can I get confirmation on that?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:22, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:[http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mario_Savio This is confirmed]. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:34, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Thanks. Great that the show is so political.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 23:41, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::I don't think it's political as much as it is human. This is [[Wikipedia: Naturalistic science fiction|"naturalistic" science fiction]], after all. --[[User:Sgtpayne|Sgtpayne]] 23:56, 10 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Gina's Scars==<br />
We can clearly see that Gina's back is still badly scarred from her treatment on ''Pegasus'' in this episode. However, I seem to recall her back being completely healed in "Epiphanies". Can anybody confirm? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:Er, they're on her lower/mid back, while when she was wearing the tank top, you could only see her upper shoulder blades. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 11:42, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Playa==<br />
At the end of the episode (near the surrender), I thought I saw [[Playa Palacios|"Miss Exclusive"]], though it may have just been a similar-looking blonde. Can someone check this? --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 11:02, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:She's not in the credits. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:03, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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==Survivor count==<br />
There's a drop of 29 between part 1 and 2: "''A more reasonable explanation is that there was a late update in the survivor count that took into account those who died off-screen during the Cylon attack on the Pegasus in "[[The Captain's Hand]]". Soldiers who are killed are often listed as MIA (Missing in Action) until they can be confirmed as KIA (Killed in Action). In the aftermath of the attack on the Pegasus, it would have taken a while to determine the exact number of crewmen and pilots killed. Also, there were probably a number of crewmen who died from injuries afterwards. As a result, a delay in updating the survivor count is quite likely''"--->No. The survivor count at the beginning of ''Part 1'' would have accounted for these losses. Part 2 takes place weeks, maybe even 2 months past "Captain's Hand"; even "[[Downloaded]]" comes in before there. 2 episodes and about 2 months passed, and we saw no further losses from Captain's Hand beyond the 5 on screen. And the Survivor Count is omniscient. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 15:05, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Once would assume that the Fleet has it share of black market thugs and suicidal people... Not everything has to be Cylon related. Just a thought. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:22, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::Yes, and I have always argued as such...but then that makes the static pop count from end of Captain's Hand through LDYB part I unrealistic itself. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:24, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::Well, one would assume that people are reported as missing prior to being reported as dead. Hence the seemingly unrealistic count changes. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:32, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::::Even though I STILL think those losses are most likely late figures from "[[The Captain's Hand]]" (I'm not going to argue about this), another possible reason for the drop could be the results of election-related riots/murders. Stuff like that happens. Either that or the writers just screwed up.--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 16:45, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::And, ultimately, that is the problem... it's all about '''thought''', not '''fact'''. Until we know for certain why these variances occur (and why they register when they do), we could think about it until our brains cry for more oxygen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 16:58, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::Judging by our current standards and conventions, and just logic, no, it is impossible for these to be "left over" number from 3 full episodes ago. Think what you want, but don't add it back to the page. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 17:49, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::::: Just keep in mind, the "omniscient" Survivor Count is controlled by the writers just like everything else. And writers do make mistakes occasionally. Besides what other plausible explanations are there?--[[User:GreenDalek|GreenDalek]] 22:41, 11 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:::::::Really? I had always assumed that it was controlled by mutant space monkeys. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 17:21, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Cloud Nine bodycount. ==<br />
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Am I going completely fuzzy-headed here, or is the fact that Cloud Nine was destroyed before the transition to New Caprica being completely overlooked. <br />
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*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?<br />
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.<br />
***Actually, we have no idea how many people were still crewing the civilian ships in the Fleet when Galactica and Pegasus jumped away, so it could actually have been thousands less than that.''<br />
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The answers to the questions, as I remember what I saw, are completely irrelivant. Noone was colonizing the planet yet. <br />
Or am I completely loosing my mind [[User:Durandal|Durandal]] 02:09, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
*No, you're quite sane. Admiral Adama had ordered the first teams to New Caprica just before the commercial break, Baltar's last night with Gina, the inauguration, and the blast. There probably wouldn't have been more than a handful of raptor teams on the surface at the time--not enough to make any appreciable dent in the population figures. --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:51, 12 March 2006 (EST).<br />
::I am a little confused as to what your asking, but I will try and clarify:<br />
::The episode states that after a year, there are about 39,000 people on New Caprica. The Galactica and the Pegasus require about 5,000 crew between the two ships, but at the time of Baltars election, were only carrying about 4,000. However, it is made clear that the two battlestars are operating with skeleton crews - so lets say for the sake of arguement that thats 1/2 of normal, which would put the combined crews at 2,500. There are other ships in the defense fleet above New Caprica, looks to be about ten additional ships, if I remember correctly. Lets say they need 600 crew each (see [[The Fleet (RDM)]], but are also running with skeleton crews, which puts them at 10 x 600 = 6,000/2 = 3,000. Combine that with the battlestars crew, you get 5,500. Add that to 39,000 and you get 44,500. Compare with the pre-New Caprica pop of 49,000 and it looks like about 4,500 died in the Nuclear blast. So, no, the destuction of Cloud 9 was not overlooked, it was indeed factored into the New Caprican population. --[[User:Kraetos|Kraetos]] 23:30, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Where should this error go? ==<br />
When we see it parked on the surface of New Caprica, [[Colonial One]] was missing the Colonial/presidential seal that we've seen before on its port side. Nobody would have scraped it off the hull. I know the people down there are desperate for resources, but ''paint chips''? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 09:56, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:Well the real answer is that they crew just plain old forgot to put it in the model, but forcontinuity's sake, it could be hypothesized that someone discontent with the Baltar Administration scraped off the seal in the middle of the night as if to say 'this man isn't fit to have the presidential seal on his office/spaceship.' --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 13:18, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::I'd prefer to eschew the fanwankery and note it as the continuity glitch it is. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:28, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:::'Fanwankery'? It is completely plausible that what I said ''might'' have happened, so how can you conclude that it was a glitch. There are many ways paint like that could have come off. Perhaps when they painted the seal on Colonial One they used a paint not suitable for atmospheric re-entry and it got burned off. Maybe there is some sort of corrosive rain on the plannet that solubilizes lower quality paint. Perhaps Baltar didn't like the design on the seal. The point is that even though it was most likely a continuity glitch it is not ''nesscearily'' one. --[[User:Antagonist|Antagonist]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
::::[[Wikipedia:Fanwank|Fanwank]]. It's my new favorite word. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 22:07, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
:: Eh, people... can we stop analyzing why the seal isn't on ''Colonial One''? It's more than likely a CGI glitch -- nothing more. Anything else is just unhealthy obsession. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 18:43, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== 6's credits voiceover ==<br />
Should it be part of this episode? It seems that there is no discussion of it here or anywhere else. -- [[User:Gougef|Frankie Gouge]] 14:426, 12 March 2006 (EST)<br />
:That was a commercial for Season 3, not part of this episode. --[[User:Redwall|Redwall]] 13:54, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Firefly connection ==<br />
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Greenleaf and Persephone; both were planets in Firefly. I noticed the Greenleaf back in Sacrifice, but this episode was the first time that I saw or heard Persephone. It's a nice little homage to Firefly, if it was even on purpose. --[[User:FIDS|FIDS]] 15:20, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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:No. You are grasping at straws. "Persephone" is a very generic, widely known Greco-Roman type name, and we only see it on a list briefly. As for "Greenleaf", it has been mentioned like 3 times in dialog, but this is in fact a reference to Legolas from Lord of the Rings (both Firefly and Lord of the Rings appear to have named something after Legolas, independently of each other). However, that doesn't mean we should make a note saying "wow, both Firefly and BSG have a planet named Greenleaf"...because literally HUNDREDS of other books and tv shows have named stuff in homage to LOTR. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:36, 12 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== We'll Be Back ==<br />
<br />
Before the fleet jumps away, Adm. Adama announces, in McArthuresque fashion, that "We'll be back." So, I was floored to<br />
notice on the podcast for this episode (which I just got around to listening to) that Ron Moore offhandedly mentioned that Edward James Olmos would not be returning for season three. Did anyone else catch that? It was around 25 minutes into the podcast. <br />
--[[User:TomP|TomP]] 1:22, 13 March 2006 (EST)<br />
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:It was a JOKE. They were DRUNK. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 00:32, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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::Also, the Chief and Colonel Tigh got married offscreen in this episode, and Season 3 starts off 5 years in the future ;) --[[Bahamut|Bahamut]] 03:22, 13 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Caprica Six or Gina? ==<br />
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The article says:<br />
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Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon?<br />
* Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely. <br />
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However, couldn't it actually be Gina, and not Caprica-Six? From what we've seen in ''Downloaded'', I doubt the "war heroes" would join the Cylon fleet, let alone try to enslave humanity. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 08:46, 13 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Lay_Down_Your_Burdens,_Part_II&diff=37834Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II2006-03-13T06:04:38Z<p>Aggie: /* Notes */ Maybe in some versions, not in iTMS at least.</p>
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| Title= Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II<br />
| Series= [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|The Re-imagined Series]]<br />
| Season= [[Season 2 (2005-06)|2]]<br />
| Episode= 20<br />
| Guests= [[Richard Hatch]] ([[Tom Zarek]])<br>[[Kate Vernon]] ([[Ellen Tigh]])<br>[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] ([[Cavil|Brother Cavil]])<br />
| Writer=[[IMDB:nm1093194|Anne Cofell Saunders]], [[IMDB:nm0894156|Mark Verheiden]]<br />
| Story= <br />
| Director=[[Michael Rymer]]<br />
| Production=<br />
| Rating=<br />
| US Airdate= March 10, 2006<br />
| UK Airdate=<br />
| DVD=<br />
| Population= 49,550<br />
| Prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]<br />
| Next= TBA<br />
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== Overview ==<br />
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: ''Everything turns on its head as the survivors vote for a new president -- and vote for their fate.''<br />
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== Summary == <br />
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===On Caprica===<br />
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*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]], the marines, and the [[resistance (movement)|resistance]] continue to take fire from Cylon centurions and artillery. They make their way up a hill, and hold their position.<br />
*The Cylons hold fire, and Sharon remarks that the Cylons will attempt to capture them with non-lethal weapons, such as gas.<br />
*Eighteen hours later, they emerge to find that the Cylons have disappeared. [[Cavil]] -- who suddenly appears behind them -- announces that the Cylons have left the Twelve Colonies and that humanity was spared.<br />
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===In the Fleet===<br />
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*[[Cally]] is cleared back to work by [[Cottle|Dr. Cottle]], despite having her jaw wired shut (which elicits a sexist observation from the doctor). [[Tyrol|Chief Tyrol]] visits her, apologizing for the attack. Cally forgives him, saying that she's always cared for him.<br />
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*[[Gaius Baltar|Dr. Baltar]] continues to gain in the polls. On ''[[Colonial One]]'', Tory mentions there's always a victory plan. [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] later calls a private meeting with Dr. Baltar, asking to deliver a joint statement of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_%28verb%29 tabling] the issue of colonization until after the election, which Baltar rejects. <br />
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*[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] returns to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', with the resistance fighters, much to the delight of Admiral Adama. She mentions the fact that the Cylons have left Caprica, and a man appearing to be Brother Cavill confirms it. He also says he has a message, but is attacked by Chief Tyrol, claiming he's a Cylon. Both Cavill and Caprica-Sharon are escorted to the brig under marine guard.<br />
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*The other Cavill (from last episode) is also taken to the brig, claiming he's not a Cylon, but changes his tune upon seeing his "brother", as he calls him. Both Cavills then talk about the fact that the “war heroes” (Caprica Six & ''Galactica''-Sharon) have talked about how the attack of the colonies and the pursuit of the fleet were mistakes. They were told to relay the message that man and Cylon will go their separate ways. Both Roslin and Admiral Adama are less than trusting regarding the message.<br />
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*In the brig, Caprica-Sharon is completely disillusioned and nihilistic, declaring that since her child's death, nothing - not Adama's trust, not even Helo - matters to her. A frustrated Helo insists that he's not giving up on her, but she seems disinclined to listen.<br />
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*Election Day has arrived and Baltar has an apparent five thousand-vote lead over Roslin with only a few ships left. On ''Colonial One'', Tory makes a call to ''Galactica'', putting a plan into action. <br />
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*Amazingly, Roslin initially appears to have retained the presidency. While most are celebrating, Lt. Gaeta makes a startling discovery regarding the votes, and informs the Admiral that Col. Tigh may be involved in a conspiracy to throw the election.<br />
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*Admiral Adama confronts Roslin regarding the conspiracy, saying he has a confession to rig the vote. Roslin admits her involvement and Adama is disappointed.<br />
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*Baltar is informed of his election as President. He's less than pleased, vowing to have full investigation in time. President-elect Baltar then orders a course for “New Caprica”.<br />
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*[[Gaius Baltar]] is sworn in as the new President of the Twelve Colonies, and orders the immediate colonization of New Caprica.<br />
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*''[[Cloud 9]]'' is destroyed by a nuclear blast, Gina being present before the explosion; in addition to the ''Cloud 9'', at least two other ships are destroyed in the blast. Admiral Adama reports to the president that this may be a Cylon attack, but Baltar ignores him and presses forward with colonization.<br />
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===One Year Later===<br />
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*[[Felix Gaeta|Mr. Gaeta]] is reporting to the President regarding a Union issue aboard Colonial One, now down on the planet. Baltar is upset, saying there have been no Cylon attacks but the people still complain. He has regressed, turning to alcohol, medication, and womanizing.<br />
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*Admiral Adama, now sporting a mustache, is walking around the near-empty Galactica, which is quickly falling into disarray. Over half of the crew have moved down onto the planet, and they are running on such a skeleton crew that they barely have enough pilots to fly training missions, much less a good CAP. Adama has a discussion with Tigh about going down to the planet, which Tigh reluctantly agrees to do.<br />
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*[[Samuel Anders|Anders]], now Kara’s husband, is sick with pneumonia. Dr. Cottle is saying he can’t do much for him, saying there are no antibiotics available, but he is young and healthy, and with a little luck he "should" pull through.<br />
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*Kara runs into the Tighs as [[Tyrol]], now a union boss, is making a speech to begin a strike, the very pregnant Cally by his side. Saul mentions that ''Pegasus'' keeps the backup medical supplies and that Apollo would spring some for Starbuck. Starbuck disagrees, which prompts Tigh to state that Apollo should be "over that by now".<br />
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*Roslin is doing what she does best, teaching the settlement's children, and manages to find enjoyment in her new position. [[Maya]] is with her, as is the now one year old [[Hera]], whom Maya has named "Isis". <br />
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*Kara calls Lee,who has gained a lot of weight in the past year aboard ''Pegasus'', requesting the antibiotics. Dualla is now an officer, serving by Lee Adama's side in the ''Pegasus''' CIC. Before Lee can reply to Kara, Dualla catches something on [[DRADIS]]. <br />
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*A fleet of [[Cylon]] [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]s arrive in orbit around New Caprica. The Adamas are having a discussion about what to do, when [[Helo]] asks if alert fighters should be launched. Admiral Adama keeps them in as the defense fleet jumps away.<br />
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*Mr. Gaeta informs the President of the Cylon approach. Later, before his assembled staff, copies of Number [[Number Five|5]], [[Number Eight|8]], and [[Number Six|6]] approach the President. The Cylons declare that as long as there’s no resistance, no harm will come. President Baltar declares surrender on behalf of the colonists, and as Cylon armies occupy the planet, Kara vows to resist.<br />
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== Questions ==<br />
<br />
*Who is Baltar's vice president?<br />
*What "number" is Cavil?<br />
*Was Roslin's threat to put the two Cavils into space actually carried out?<br />
**Most likely not, she had the election on her mind, much to do, and didn't actually make it an order. Baltar would have been unlikely to vent them into space.<br />
*Where did the defense fleet jump to?<br />
**Likely a prearranged rendezvous point, similar to that of the miniseries.<br />
**If the Colonies have actually been abandoned, the defense fleet might have jumped back there. While the worlds may well be uninhabitable, there may still be weapons and fuel to salvage. If the Ragnar Anchorage is still intact, that might serve as a good place to re-munition.<br />
***Although Roslin calls the colonies a "nuked out wasteland," it seems apparant from scenes of Caprica that not only is there extensive vegetation left, but the radiation is not bad. The cylons have actually rebuilt many of the buildings, and they live on the planet without suffering from radiation. Since it has been nearly two years since the original cylon attack, radiation on the planets would have gone down significantly.<br />
*Where is Caprica-Sharon?<br />
**Most likely, still in ''Galactica'''s brig. This is probably why Helo is still aboard ship, having taken a CIC officer's position.<br />
***This seems to be confirmed by his ready acceptance of Adama's order to jump away from New Caprica; if Sharon was not still aboard he would have protested.<br />
**In the podcast, Ron Moore vaguely hinted that they hadn't forgotten about Sharon, but that we'd have to "wait and see". Apparently, several of the early season 3 episodes will have flashbacks dealing with events that took place in the year that passed.<br />
*What happened to Zarek?<br />
*Why is Leoben looking for Starbuck, specifically?<br />
** Could it be the same [[Leoben Conoy]] that Starbuck interrogated in "[[Flesh and Bone]]"?<br />
*** As seen with ''Galactica''-Sharon, it is distinctly possible that that particular Leoben was lying when he said he'd actually die and not download. <br />
** It is likely that, as the only escapee from [[The Farm]], they are interested in continuing with her. After all, there was an incision, and something had changed with her. <br />
*Why has the population (until Tyrol's recent union speech) accepted Baltar's imperious rule? People were hardly so passive under Roslin. Indeed, Adama executed a military coup over a rather less important issue than giving a nuclear weapon to a Cylon agent.<br />
**Perhaps they were less contemptible towards Baltar because he was the first legitimately elected ruler they've had since Adar's death.<br />
**Admiral Adama wasn't conclusive as to how the weapon got on board Cloud Nine.<br />
**Baltar pointed out there have been no attacks since he took office. Under Roslin the attacks were common. Perhaps for a year the people decided they preferred the safety Baltar gave them to their liberties.<br />
**They did vote him in, and perhaps the struggle of trying to survive on this planet is distracting their attention, i.e. at first they weren't sure how much to blame on Baltar, or on the simple struggle of trying to rebuild. Howevever, it hasn't been a particularly smooth or easy presidency, as shown by the recent Union strike.<br />
*Are the Six and Eight that Baltar surrendered to [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica''-Sharon]]?<br />
**Judging from Six's reaction to Baltar, almost definitely.<br />
*Where did the Cylon fleets go, after they left the Twelve Colonies? Cavil was deliberately vague when asked if they simply returned to the [[Cylon homeworld]].<br />
*Did the nuclear bomb ever get picked up by the fleet's radiological alarms?<br />
*How many people died in the Cloud Nine explosion?<br />
**The Cloud Nine explosion also destroyed ships near it. Given the stated size of the New Caprica population along with subtracting the minimal crew sizes needed to maintain the ships in orbit, you can estimate that approximately 3000 to 5000 people died.<br />
***The full complement of Cloud Nine may have been lower than its share in proportion to fleet size, as it was a luxury liner. It seemed to be continuing to serve as a public meeting and recreational vessel after the [[Colonial Day]] election. It seems plausible that the minimal crew required to operate Cloud Nine would have been small, as with the STL botanical garden ship destroyed in the pilot episode. Equally, since Baltar was being sworn in, it is possible that Cloud Nine was not at full population.<br />
*When Gina-Six was instantly vaporized due to being only two feet from a nuclear detonation, did she still transmit her consciousness? Was she even capable of transmitting considering that any internal hardware responsible for this task would have been instantly destroyed?<br />
**They have already established that with the [[Resurrection Ship]] destroyed, Cylons in the fleet that are killed will ''actually'' die. Gina expressed suicidal impulses as early as "[[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]".<br />
**Additionally, since the Cylons found the planet due to the radiation, it is unlikely that Gina was resurrected, as she then would have told the Cylons the location of the planet.<br />
*** It is possible, perhaps even likely that the bulk of the civilian population was deliberately left in the dark about the fleets exact location, just in case there were Cylon agents in the fleet. <br />
*Given Roslin's memories of Baltar with Six, why didn't Admiral Adama suspect Baltar of handing over the nuke to the cylons? If he did suspect him, why not act on it?<br />
**He had no real proof.<br />
*Did the events of "One Year Later" actually happen, or were they a dream or vision sequence given to Baltar?<br />
**Although Baltar has had elaborate visions in the past, this vision left Baltar's point of view several times, addressing issues such as the marriage of Kara to Sam Anders and Adama's friendship with Tigh that are of little knowledge or importance to Baltar.<br />
***Ron D. Moore has stated in interviews that the first 4-5 episodes of season 3 will deal with the Cylon occupation of New Caprica, and unless a vast swath of episodes is going to be a dream sequence, all of these "one year later" events ''really'' happen.<br />
***Moore actually discusses this in the podcast, saying that many people might just assume this is a dream, or a ''[[wikipedia:Dallas (TV series)|Dallas]]''-like season-erasing shower-dream episode, but he thought it was a bold decision to jump ahead a full year, and have all of it be definitely real.<br />
*Why was it so easy for Adama to hide the collusion of the rigged election from the press, and why were there no consequences?<br />
**So far as we know, Adama, Tigh, Gaeta, Dualla, Dualla's two associates, Tory, and Roslin are the only people that knew; 6 are military personnel, 4 of whom would be implicated, and the other 2 were directly involved civilians. All are strongly motivated to conceal the information.<br />
* Why would it take the Cylons over one year to find New Caprica, alerted by the nuclear detonation prior to the inhabitation of the planet?<br />
**It was stated in the previous episode that the interference from the gas cloud surrounding it would hide the planet fairly well. The Cylons were slightly over a light year away, according to the Number Five. Searching something as large as the gas cloud likely is for a planet or fleet is, given the sensor range limitations, quite impressive to accomplish in months, even with general directional information from a light-year out.<br />
***Actually with the Cylon base 1 light year away, it would take 1 year for the nuke to show up on the Cylon sensors. Short of some FTL communication system, that's the only way the Cylons would have been able to detect the planet. Since the fleet is all in within non-FTL distances, all the FTL devices, if any exist would likely have been destroyed or disabled. <br />
*If the Cylons really left the Twelve Colonies, leaving behind a nuked-out wasteland, what happened to all of the human captives in the [[Farms]]?<br />
**Has it really been established that all that remains of the colonies are nuked-out wastelands? Yes, it's clear that they were nuked from the mini-series, yet in more recent episodes, it's also clear that the Cylons have been rebuilding them, in particular Caprica. The comment is bizarre in that Admiral Adama would know this as well, given the return of Anders who no doubt gave a full account of his experiences.<br />
***Adama and Roslin appeared to be questioning the Cavils immediately after the Caprica copy was detained, leaving no time for Anders' debriefing.<br />
*Why have the Cylons returned? According to [[Cavil]], the two races were to go their "separate ways". The Cylons may have been worried about the humans retaliating at some point in the future, but the location of the Cylon world(s) is still unknown to the humans, so ensuring the safety of their society presumably isn't the motive behind the occupation of [[New Caprica]].<br />
**In "[[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]", it was actually implied that the Colonials do know the location of the [[Cylon homeworld]], and at no time has anyone ever said "we don't know the location of the Cylon homeworld". <br />
**This assumes that the Cylons were being honest in their announcement of withdrawl from all Human contact and association. It is possible that this was a tactical feint and the Cylons went looking for possible alternate locations where the Humans could have resettled.<br />
**[[Cavil]] stated that the cylon "war hero's" had changed cylon opinion about the war on the humans, perhaps others within the cylon population had swung public opinion back towards starting up the war again.<br />
***If Cylon opinion had been swung back in favor of war, then Caprica-Six and Galactica-Sharon would not be leading a delegation to demand surrender. The cylons must have some ulterior motive, probably involving Starbuck. Otherwise, they could have simply bombed the human settlement from space.<br />
*Did the Cavils lie about the pursuit of humanity being a mistake? Or were they telling the truth?<br />
** If they were telling the truth, perhaps not all Cylons are readily able to admit and rectify their mistakes as the Cavils believed.<br />
** It seems that the intent was truthful, given that Caprica-Six and Sharon are taking an active leadership role in this new occupation. What seems unclear is how their positions has changed from Downloaded, where they clearly felt that the Cylon destruction of humanity was wrong. This is especially so for Sharon, who still considered herself human. Why would she go along willingly with this new course of action of occupation and presumably other forms of experimentation.<br />
*Will the Cylons resume their pursuit of the Fleet?<br />
*How many people are left in the Fleet?<br />
**The population of New Caprica City is given as 39,192. There were just under 50,000 people in the Fleet before establishing the settlement, so that gives a figure of roughly 10,000 missing. It is uncertain how many were killed in the destruction of ''Cloud 9'' and surrounding Fleet ships but this loss along with any births and deaths that have taken place during the year since the election, leaves very few military personnel in the Orbital Defense. This almost certainly means that both ''Galactica'' and ''Pegasus'' will be extremely short on crew, as many military personnel will have been left on the planet. There was clearly no time to retrieve even selected members of the crews before the Fleet jumped. <br />
**Watching the Fleet jump in slow-motion, you can count approximately 19 ships, which also gives a rough impression of the reduced size of the fleet. Other ships, including Colonial One and some Raptors, are landed on New Caprica and have presumably fallen into the hands of the Cylons.<br />
**It is not explicitly said that all members of the New Caprica colony reside in New Caprica City. There may be outlying settlements, though none are named. One reason for this would simply be as a safeguard to keep a single nuclear strike from wiping out all of the fleet survivors.<br />
***Will the Adamas resort to Cain's tactic of conscripting civilians to fill the gaps?<br />
****Although William Adama has not conscripted civillians like Admiral Cain did, he did draft some to be viper pilots in the episode "[[Act of Contrition]]." This would have set a precedent to draft or conscript more civillians especially in this obvious time of crisis.<br />
*What happened between Apollo and Starbuck?<br />
**Colonel Tigh mentioned that the incident that happened "a long time ago" and that it wouldn't prevent Apollo from giving antibiotics to Starbuck. When she contacted him aboard ''Pegasus'', he seemed very much not to want to talk to her.<br />
***Problems may have arisen due to possible jealousy of Anders.<br />
***This may refer to Starbuck's drunken comments about Apollo and Dualla.<br />
*What led to Starbuck's reconciliation with Col. Tigh? The two had been in conflict since the [[Miniseries]], what led them to bury the hatchet and become the close friends they now appear to be?<br />
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== Analysis ==<br />
*Baltar's arrogance seems to have led to corrupt rule during his year on New Caprica—he replaces Roslin's modest desk with a larger, elaborate one, replaces the population count whiteboard with a portrait of himself, and keeps a harem aboard the landed Colonial One.<br />
*After a whole year, everyone is still living in tents. There is a vital shortage of medicine, the military is of no use, and labor conditions are apparently intolerable. Baltar's administration is apparently as incompetent as Roslin feared. <br />
**It is not clear whether these conditions are the result of admimistrative incompetence or the inherent difficulties of colonizing a marginally habitable planet.<br />
***Of course, it was Baltar's idea to settle on a marginally habitable planet in the first place.<br />
*It's ironic that the obligations of duty keep Lee Adama aboard Pegasus while everyone else goes planetside—he is a reserve officer, and promised to build his pilots a bar as soon as they found a habitable planet.<br />
*Ron Moore has once again decided to play with viewer's expectations; in the podcast for "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]" Moore commented on how everyone assumed that ''Pegasus'' would be destroyed by the end of the episode, and thus he thought it would be a good twist to keep ''Pegasus'' alive as another ship in the Fleet. Here, many viewers assumed that the nuke that Baltar gave to Gina in "[[Epiphanies]]" would be used to destroy ''Pegasus'' this time, but it wasn't.<br />
*29 people died between this episode and the preceding one? One or two Raptors were lost, and some Marines died on Caprica, but that doesn't seem high enough.<br />
**Is it possible they took out all of the people who left in the raptors because they were not apart of the fleet at the end of the previous episode?<br />
***They didn't remove Starbuck from the count when she left for Caprica at the beginning of Season 2.<br />
****She left at the end of season one, before they started the count. But, they did not add her to the count when she returned with Helo, because the count rose by one.<br />
**Maybe more people died during the attack on Caprica than was shown.<br />
***Yet another possibility is the inclusion of the Caprica survivors in the count to offset many of the losses that had incurred in the rescue mission.<br />
***Although they didn't actually talk about the losses, there was a shot of a wounded person being taken away on a stretcher after the Raptors returned from the [[Caprica]] [[SAR]] mission.<br />
**There may have been a series of election-related riots or murders.<br />
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== Notes ==<br />
* '''According to Ron Moore's podcast, although Scifi Channel was willing to air this episode as a 90-minute special, it had to be heavily edited down for international distribution; outside of the United States, viewers will only see a 1 hour version of the episode, which Moore regards as "almost incomprehensible".''' Many plot threads, such as the entire Cally/Tyrol subplot, were completely removed from the one hour version.<br />
* Ron Moore's podcast for episode 13, [[Epiphanies]], states that the Nuke given to Gina will come back in this episode, to the benefit of the Cylons.<br />
*Admiral Adama watches Pyramid games and is a fan of the Picon Panthers.<br />
*In RDM's podcast for the previous episode, he said that in early drafts of this special 90 minute long episode, the writers actually tried to make it a 2 hour special, but this was soon dropped (these times are including commercials).<br />
*The election board appears to have a definitive list of the names of all of the ships in [[The Fleet (RDM)]]. Not all of them are clearly visible, but this would seem to indicate that the writers do have an actual list that they get new ship names from. Ship names visible on the chart are: Demetrius, Diomedes, Embla Brokk, Enkidu, Epheme, Galactica, Gideon, Gemenon Traveller, Greenleaf, Monarch, Odysseus, Pegasus, Persephone, Prometheus, Swordfish<br />
*The framed photo of President Roslin and [[Billy Keikeya]] was still on her desk during the election.<br />
*When Roslin "won" the rigged election results, Roslin received 24,265 votes, while Baltar recieved 22,266. This means that the elligible voters in the Fleet number 46,531. In the podcast, RDM explains that he quickly came up with these numbers, to try to reflect roughly how many survivors are below the voting age.<br />
*Toward the end of the episode, President Baltar refers to a government body called the "People's Council". This may be the proportionally elected lower house mentioned in by RDM in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html#a000016 blog post] on January 30, 2005.<br />
*[[Hera]] is seen on New Caprica in the same white cradle that Baltar had a vision of her being in in "[[Scattered]]", etc. According to RDM's podcast it's actually the exact same cradle.<br />
*Tyrol's union speech is an almost word for word quote of Mario Savio's address during the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in 1964. According to Ron Moore and David Eick in the podcast, they even got permission from Savio's widow to use it (even though, due to the way copyright laws work from back then, they could have just used it without permission, they felt they should get it). As a result, it's even listed in the credits: "Mario Savio speech excerpted courtesy of: Lynne Hollander Savio". Actor Aaron Douglas (Chief [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]) actually studied film of Savio, so all of the hand gestures Tyrol makes when he gives the speech are gestures that Savio actually used.<br />
*Baltar's portrait of himself does not have the 'cut corners' as seen in most (all?) other papers and photos in the show.<br />
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== Noteworthy Dialogue ==<br />
*''Dr. Cottle decides Cally is ready to return to duty:''<br />
:'''Cottle:''' You're done here. I'm kickin' you out of here and sending you back to work.<br />
:'''Cally:''' (muffled, because her jaw is immobilized) Work??? Like this?<br />
:'''Cottle:''' You gotta love a woman who can complain even with her jaw wired shut.<br />
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*"Would you mind telling me what's going on? I'm not a frakking Cylon, I'm not…(''sees the other Cavil in the cell'')…oh. Well, okay then."<br />
*:—'''Brother Cavil'''<br />
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*"Gods help us."<br />
*:-'''Admiral Adama''' over the objection of [[Edward James Olmos]] (podcast)<br />
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*''Trying to bring order to a Union meeting:''<br />
:'''Tyrol:''' Everyone, please be quiet. (''crowd ignores him'')<br />
:'''Cally:''' Hey! Shut the frak up! (''crowd quiets down'')<br />
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*'''Admiral Adama:''' We're leaving. But we'll be back.<br />
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*''The Cylons occupy New Caprica:''<br />
:'''Tyrol:''' "What do you want to do now, Captain?"<br />
:'''Starbuck:''' "The same thing we always do. Fight them until we can't."<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
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From the official site (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/):<br />
When Baltar wins the vote, Roslin considers stealing the election because she believes he is a Cylon collaborator.<br />
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== Guest Stars ==<br />
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]<br />
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001777/ Dean Stockwell] as [[Cavil|Brother Cavil]]<br />
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]<br />
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]<br />
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0722413/ Donnelly Rhodes] as Dr. [[Cottle]]<br />
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]<br />
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Aaron Doral]]<br />
*Rekha Sharma as [[Tory Foster]]<br />
*[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0443286/ David Kaye] as [[James McManus]]<br />
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==Biography==<br />
The '''Armistice Station Officer''' is known as Colonel Wakefield according to the [[Battlestar Galactica (2005 Novel)|novelization of the Miniseries]]. He is also the father of [[Boxey (RDM)|Boxey]]. He was assigned to the [[Armistice Station]], where he would represent the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]] to attempt their continuation of diplomatic relations between the exiled [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] and humans.<br />
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Col. Wakefield is the first member of the Colonial Fleet to see the Cylons in over 40 years when two upgraded [[Cylon Centurion]]s and someone that appears to be a strikingly beautiful human female arrive at the station. This female is actually [[Number Six]], a [[Cylon Agent]]. This copy of Six sexually assaults the officer. He dies when a Cylon [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] destroys the station with missiles, signaling the start of the [[Cylon Attack]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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Col. Wakefield was apparently assigned Armistice Station duty by [[Fleet Headquarters]], who sends a general message on the status of all [[FTL]]-capable ships that were able to Jump to the Armistice Station to aid the Courier officer when he fails to report or return to Headquarters. Commander [[William Adama|Adama]], on receiving this message from Headquarters from ''[[Galactica]]'s'' Watch Officer, Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta|Gaeta]], indicates that the battlestar's scheduled decommissioning ceremonies later that day would make them a bit too busy to help ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
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=== Notes ===<br />
The actor portraying Col. Wakefield, Ryan Robbins, underwent a significant transformation through makeup and prosthetics in order to appear older than he really was. The original script of the Mini-Series called for the opening to show a young Col. Wakefield repeatedly visiting Armistice Station over the 40 years between the end of the Cylon War and the Attack on the Colonies and progressively aging with each visit. Multiple scenes with Robbins in various age-enhanced makeup were filmed, however all of them except the final scene where [[Number Six|Six]] makes her entrance were cut.<br />
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== Need help with a new article namespace ==<br />
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I want to create an entry on the atmosphere testing stick Starbuck used when stranded on the small moon in "[[You Can't Go Home Again]]", but do not know what the official name of the device is in order to name and initiate the page , and thoughts? — [[User:Lestatdelc|Lestatdelc]] 21:40, 3 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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:"Field oxygen meter"? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:55, 3 December 2005 (EST)<br />
:We use many descriptive terms here to give a name to something not yet officially named in the show. "[[Humano-Cylon]]", [[Unknown Cylon Ship]], and "[[Presidential security service]]" are good examples. Feel free to create a descriptive term, and note it as such in a note in the article. It can always be moved later to its official name once we find it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 00:06, 4 December 2005 (EST)<br />
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Why is a raven like a writing desk?--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 23:16, 30 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:You should probably use something like F.A.T (Field Atmosphere Test[er]). The military loves <br />
:to abbreviate and soldiers love to make these terms into vulgar slang whenever they can.--[[User:IcePlanetZero|IcePlanetZero]] 00:15, 18 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Colonel Tigh / Colonel Tye historical connection in TOS? ==<br />
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Hi, I'm sorry if this has been mentioned before, but I searched the wiki for mentions tying (heh) together the TOS Col. Tigh and the historical Col. Tye, who was a feared military commander on the side of the British during the American Revolution, and a freed African-American slave. <br />
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More info on him here:<br />
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tye<br />
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Has anyone ever asked Terry Carter if this historical figure had any impact on his portrayal on TOS? I can't believe the name's a coincidence.<br />
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:I'm sorry, but I think that's pure coincidence.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 00:31, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Cast Data infobox? ==<br />
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With all the work [[User:Peter Farago|Peter]] and the others are doing in regards to the cast and behind the scenes crew, I am wondering whether or not it is time to create a cast data template (similar to {{tl|Character Data}}). It would probably look a lot better than blurbs on top of the main pages (such as those presently on the [[Edward James Olmos]] page). Thoughts? Critisims? Questions? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:10, 11 February 2006 (EST)<br />
:Wikipedia uses [[Wikipedia:Template:Infobox Biography|Template:Infobox Biography]], which includes full name and dates and places of birth and death. I'm not entirely sure such a thing is useful, and there was enough controversy to generate a fairly active [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/Not_deleted/October_2005#Template:Infobox_Biographydebate|debate]] on Templates for Deletion (which it survived).<br />
:Joe, what sort of information would you want to include in addition to that? Links to IMDB, episode categories and offsite biographies such as on EJO's page? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:16, 11 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::Actually, it apparently survived a TfD twice. Here's the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_7#Template:Infobox_Biography|other one]]. Let me make it clear that my feelings on this are extremely mixed - I think the possibility exists that it could be done right, but I'd rather figure out what "right" is before we implement it than after. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:25, 11 February 2006 (EST)<br />
::: I don't think the "infobox biography" template that Wikipedia uses is all that terribly useful either. Typically, the fields I would like to see included are: name, birth date and location, date of death, character actor portrays; the infobox would include links to IMDB and NNDB, as well as the actor's official site. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 10:18, 12 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::: Would we want to include things like marital status or anything like that, or is that too tangental? --[[User:Day|Day]] 20:23, 12 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::::I would find that a bit voyeuristic. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:59, 12 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::::I would avoid going into ''that'' much detail. Just the fields I listed above should be satisfactory. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:53, 12 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== The Kitt Joke ==<br />
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dunno if anybody made this joke before...<br />
once upon a time, humans and cylons were friends and were working together:<br />
[http://www.ilexikon.com/images/3/31/Kitt_front.jpg click me]<br />
(may be deleted, xbruce ;-) EDIT: sorry, didn't know where to put this...)<br />
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:Yeah, but we all know what happened to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KARR first] version of this nice device. --[[User:Astfgl|Astfgl]] 04:52, 14 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== When Earth is found... ==<br />
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I know this may be a little too early, but it is inevitable. When Galactica finds Earth what time frame will it be set in (according to earth as we know it). Will they arrive in our past and find dinosaurs, thereby fulfilling a prophecy of the 13th tribe as well as our becoming our ancestors. Will they arrive in our present and fly a raptor the U.N. and ask for some nukes? Or will they arrive in our future, as they did in the original series and ask for Earths military assistance?<br />
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What would you prefer, or predict? Personally I think a Raptor should come back from a recon mission with the Voyager space probe, just when the fleet gives up hope on finding earth.<br />
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This is all speculation, but its coming and who knows, if Ron Moore is reading this maybe he'll use one of our ideas.--[[User:IcePlanetZero|IcePlanetZero]] 00:17, 18 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:Ron D. Moore has repeatedly stated that they have intentionally never adressed this point or decided it, and are purposefully not going to; the story could take place at any time in the past, present, or future relative to Earth; see Miniseries DVD commentary.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 03:35, 18 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:I don't want to be a party pooper, but I don't see anything remotely inevitible about the idea that <i>Galactica</i> and the Fleet will eventually find Earth, even if they appear to have coordinates. If it were inevitible, I'm not sure there'd be any point in telling the story. This series is not necessarily about happy endings, after all.<br />
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: That said, one speculation that leapt into my own brain a couple of weeks ago was this: suppose the Fleet finds an Earth of the not-too-distant future -- say, 50 years out. A future where humans casually jack in to networks, replace random limbs and organs with cybernetics, etc -- in short, a cyberpunk Earth a la Gibson, Sterling or Stephenson. It's not unimaginable that the Fleet would be a little fundamentalist on the point of human vs. machine at this stage, while such an Earth would be totally casual about humans using and integrating with machines. If the Fleet reacted too strongly to the cyborg culture they found, the Fleet could find Earth, only to see Earth side with the Cylons!--[[User:UncleMikey|Uncle Mikey]] 11:31, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== A proposal ==<br />
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I know this may come as a little unorthodox, but I would like to propose that a rule to our Standards and Conventions page, that at no time may any ''Battlestar Wiki'' User travel to planet Talos IV, under penalty of death. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 19:12, 18 February 2006 (EST)<br />
: Captain [[MemoryAlpha:Christopher Pike|Christopher Pike]] is, of course, exempt [[MemoryAlpha:General Order 7|from this]]. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 12:10, 4 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Server time is wrong ==<br />
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Server time says 58 minutes after, time.org and time.windows.com (sync) says 21 minutes after. there are no time zones that are 23 minutes off GMT, are there? --[[User:Bp|Bp]] 01:59, 7 March 2006 (CST)<br />
: Let me do a time update/sync for the server. That should fix any discrepancies. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:32, 7 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Wikipedia user box ==<br />
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Just letting everyone know that Battlestar Wiki has its own userbox on the English Wikipedia. Simply enter in <nowiki>{{User Battlestar Wiki}}</nowiki> on your Wikipedia user page and off you go. :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] 15:34, 7 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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: Uhm... Wha? I dropped it in to see what it was and... It no worikie. What's it ''supposed'' to do? I tried to find it to see if I was breaking it, but it seems not to exist? --[[User:Day|Day]] 23:50, 7 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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== Battlestar Galactica Model Kits ==<br />
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Hello all, <br />
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I am writing this because I am a bit peeved about the prices of "Battlestar" models. I have 3 Battlestars from Revell/Monogram and after all was said and done it came to me that these are way over priced( aftermarket wise ). You can get the Cylon Basestar for $5 on ebay but when you type in "Battlestar" you can expect to pay at least $50.00+ and I have seen them way higher! I know the kit is now out of production but come on now!<br />
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I wrote Revel/Monogram a few months back asking if they will ever be re-issuing the line again and what I got back from them was simply that they did'nt believe the Name was popular enough to re-issue the kits (I'm gussing they don't ever look on the internet to see the litteraly hundreds of popular Battlestar Galactica devoted websites or read Time Magazine which stated that Battlestar Galactica was THE show to watch!)<br />
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I guess I am venting somewhat but really, those of us who missed out on the 78-79 Issuing of these models and then again in 97 (Which no model shops anywhere near me ever got) what are we to do? Getting a battlestar model is like going to a scalper outside of a popular concert and having to pay 8 times what the ticket is worth!<br />
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Looking at the new and very small Battlestar kits from the new Battlestar Galactica show make me nervous as well. An 8 inch model can cost $75 to $100 canadian, makes me wonder how much it would be if they made it to scale with the old Revel/Monogram ( 18inch ) kits!<br />
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Does anyone out there feel the same way, or is it just me that these are over priced!?<br />
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Also ,does anyone know if they will be doing a larger Battlestar Models, close to the size of the original models?<br />
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Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
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=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
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== About Me ==<br />
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=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
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===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
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== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
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[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
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[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
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[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve humanoid-models, but they are everywhere.<br />
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[[Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica]] - I may make this article, we'll see.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Battlestar_Galactica_(TRS)&diff=36603Battlestar Galactica (TRS)2006-03-08T19:39:22Z<p>Aggie: /* Writing Staff */ Changed episode notation to match others on page.</p>
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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.<br>(c) Universal]]<br />
A re-imagining of the original ''Battlestar Galactica'', currently in its second season. <br />
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==Summary==<br />
Considered a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot_%28continuity%29|re-imagining]]", this series is a version of the 1970s ''Battlestar Galactica'' made more suitable to the sensibilities of the 21st Century. Tackling issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, ''Battlestar Galactica'' is an epic following the survivors of the human race -- which number under 50,000. The ''[[Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a rag-tag refugee fleet on a lonely (and quite possibly, fictitious) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.<br />
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Often refered to as RDM for the executive producer, [[Ronald D. Moore]] (as "Star Trek: The Next Generation" is often referred to as "TNG"). Also referred to initially as "TNS" (The New Series), but this has become rarer over time as the Ron Moore's BSG destinguished itself more and more from the Original Series.<br />
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==Cast==<br />
===Stars===<br />
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander/Admiral [[William "Husker" Adama]]<br />
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]<br />
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant/Captain [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]<br />
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as Captain/Major/Commander [[Lee Adama|Lee "Apollo" Adama]]<br />
* [[James Callis]] as Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]<br />
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]<br />
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii|Sharon "Boomer" Valerii/Number Eight]]<br />
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===Co-stars===<br />
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lieutenat [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer (2nd Class) [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]] (2003-2006)<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] <br />
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]] (2004-2005)<br />
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==Production Crew==<br />
===Producers===<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer<br />
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer<br />
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer<br />
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer<br />
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===Directors===<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak] (episode 1.02 "Water") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy] (episode 1.04 "Act of Contrition") (episode 1.06 "Litmus") (episode 2.05 "Farm, The") (episode 2.13 "Epiphanies")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+James+Head James Head] (episode 2.14 "Black Market")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker] (episode 1.03 "Bastille Day") (episode 2.04 "Resistance") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan] (episode 1.05 "You Can't Go Home Again") (episode 2.03 "Fragged") (episode 2.06 "Home: Part 1") (episode 2.17 "The Captain's Hand")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Nankin Michael Nankin] (episode 2.09 "Flight of the Phoenix") (episode 2.15 "Scar")<br />
* [[Edward James Olmos]] (episode 1.09 "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate] (episode 1.11 "Colonial Day")<br />
* [[Michael Rymer]] (episode 1.00 "Miniseries") (episode 1.01 "33") (episode 1.12 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 1") (episode 1.13 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 2") (episode 2.01 "Scattered") (episode 2.02 "Valley of Darkness") (episode 2.10 "Pegasus") (episode 2.11 "Resurrection Ship: Part 1") (episode 2.12 "Resurrection Ship: Part 2") (episode 2.19 "Lay Down Your Burdens: Part 1")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner] (episode 1.08 "Flesh and Bone")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rey+Villalobos Rey Villalobos] (episode 2.16 "Sacrifice")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough] (episode 1.10 "Hand of God, The") (episode 2.07 "Home: Part 2") (episode 2.18 "Downloaded")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/m/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young] (episode 1.07 "Six Degrees of Separation) (episode 2.08 "Final Cut")<br />
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===Writing Staff===<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ronald+D.+Moore Ronald D. Moore] (Miniseries Part 1, Miniseries Part 2, 1.01, 1.02, 1.12, 1.13, 2.07, 2.12)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Glen+A.+Larson Glen A. Larson] (Miniseries Part 2)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] (1.03, 1.08, 2.04)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Bradley+Thompson Bradley Thompson] (1.04, 1.05, 1.10, 2.01, 2.02, 2.09, 2.15)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Weddle David Weddle] (1.04, 1.10, 2.01, 2.02, 2.09, 2.15)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson] (1.05, 1.11, 2.05)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming] (1.06, 1.09)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Angeli Michael Angeli] (1.07)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicole+Yorkin Nicole Yorkin] (2.03)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dawn+Prestwich Dawn Prestwich] (2.03)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Eick David Eick] (2.06, 2.07)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Mark+Verheiden Mark Verheiden] (2.08, 2.14)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Anne+Cofell+Saunders Anne Cofell Saunders] (2.10, 2.16)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Rymer Michael Rymer] (2.11, 2.12)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Joel+Anderson+Thompson Joel Anderson Thompson] (2.13)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+James+Head James Head] (2.14)<br />
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* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]<br />
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==Episodes==<br />
*[[Mini-Series]] (2003)<br />
===Season 1 (2004-05)===<br />
*1.01 [[33]]<br />
*1.02 [[Water]]<br />
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]<br />
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]<br />
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]<br />
*1.06 [[Litmus]]<br />
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]<br />
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]<br />
*1.09 [[Secrets and Lies]] (aka: [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])<br />
*1.10 [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]<br />
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]<br />
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]<br />
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]<br />
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===Season 2 (2005-06)===<br />
*2.01 [[Scattered]]<br />
*2.02 [[Valley of Darkness]]<br />
*2.03 [[Fragged]]<br />
*2.04 [[Resistance]]<br />
*2.05 [[The Farm]]<br />
*2.06 [[Home, Part I]]<br />
*2.07 [[Home, Part II]]<br />
*2.08 [[Final Cut]]<br />
*2.09 [[Flight of the Phoenix]]<br />
*2.10 [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]<br />
*2.11 [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]<br />
*2.12 [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]<br />
*2.13 [[Epiphanies]]<br />
*2.14 [[Black Market]]<br />
*2.15 [[Scar]]<br />
*2.16 [[Sacrifice]]<br />
*2.17 [[The Captain's Hand]]<br />
*2.18 [[Downloaded]]<br />
*2.19 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]<br />
*2.20 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
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* ''"Apart from the fleet, is there any chance that there are other survivors? Clearly ''[[Colonial One]]'' would not have gotten to every ship that was in transit and those that had [[FTL]] could have escaped as well."''<br />
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:We are talking about shows that deal with other survivors right now. Don't ask about the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] -- I [still] haven't made up my mind yet.<br />
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* ''"Will we see any of the [[:Category:Cast (TOS)|origonal cast (sic)]] apart from [[Richard Hatch]]? "''<br />
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: It's possible, but not yet on the board. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Why [[frak|"frack" (sic)]]? Where did the idea come from to make this the new F-word? Not that I don't like it, I find it amusing."''<br />
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: It's straight out of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I dropped many other terms from the old show like "[[centon]]" (a unit of measurement) and "[[yahren]]" (year) because I felt they distracted from the mood I was trying to create and they sounded a bit silly to my ear. There was something elegantly lovely about "[[frak]]," however. There's nothing like being able to say my favorite four letter word on TV over and over again and I salute [[Glen Larson]] for giving the joys of frakking up, frakking off, not giving a frak, and frakking-A to the masses. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Why does the doctor smoke?"''<br />
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:Because smoking is cool. Don't let anyone tell you different, kid.<br />
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:Seriously, we're showing people doing what people really do and not all of their choices are smart ones. We smoke, we drink, we have sex with the wrong partners -- we make lots of bad choices and some of them we do knowingly and in full cognizance of the risks and consequences. Dr. [[Cottle]] obviously knows the risks associated with smoking and he elects to do it anyway -- that's his choice.<br />
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:I'm also frankly tired of all the anti-smoking p.c. crap that we're bombarded with these days and I decided that this was a world without all that. Call it my one sop to the idea of an idealized society, the notion that adults can make informed choices and not be nagged to death or run out of public spaces for making choices that others may not like or agree with. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistent with the Navy."''<br />
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:The rank structure is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I didn't want to change Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] to Captain Adama or Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br />
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:'''Officers''' --<br />
:Admiral<br />
:Commander<br />
:Colonel<br />
:Major<br />
:Captain<br />
:Lieutenant<br />
:Lieutenant (junior grade)<br />
:Ensign<br />
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:'''Enlisted''' --<br />
:Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
:Chief Petty Officer<br />
:Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
:Specialist<br />
:Deck Hand<br />
:Recruit<br />
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:Just to complicate matters further, there are also [[Marines]] aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors, etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked? -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Will we see the mess hall and other parts of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?"''<br />
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:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Was this the first show to ever show a bathroom on a space ship?"''<br />
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:It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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:'''Note:''' While we are uncertain as to what show as the "first" to show a bathroom on a space ship, we know that this series was not the first to do so. One of the few shows prior to ''Battlestar'' to show a bathroom was, in fact, a second season episode of ''Babylon 5''.<br />
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* ''"Minor question: was [[Galactica]] ever re-commissioned? As I recall, the ship was decommissioned right before the [[Cylon attack]]. It'd be nice to show the ceremony if they ever get a free moment."''<br />
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:It's an interesting point. Might be something to play at some point, but more really as an "Oh, I haven't thought about it, but..." kind of thing. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"The question I would really like to see addressed is how to reconcile the underlying quest of ''Battlestar Galactica'' with actual scientific plausibility. The quest of Battlestar Galactica is to find [[Earth]], the 13th Colony. However, it is a basic and well-substantiated tenet of science that human life here on Earth evolved slowly from a primate ancestor. Attempts to deny evolution based on the notion that human kind deserves a far more worthy origin than what evolution details, are a disservice to the pursuit of scientific truth and endeavors in our own world. There was always that reactionary sense to the original series, which drove it away from a secure standing as *science* fiction. How will the new series avoid this pitfall?"''<br />
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:I don't have a direct answer for this question yet. There are a couple of notions rolling around in my head as to how we reconcile the very real fact of evolution with the ''Galactica'' mythos, but I haven't decided which approach to take. However, it was a fundamental element of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|orginal (sic) ''Galactica'']] mythos that "Life here began out there..." and I decided early on that it was crucial to maintain it. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"How did you come to decide upon [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] for their roles? This kind of project seems somewhat out of their typical genre - did either have second thoughts about taking on the project?"''<br />
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:Eddie and Mary were actually the archetypes for the characters when we were developing the series. [[David Eick]] and I used to sit around and talk about what kind of actors would play [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] and we always talked about these two Oscar level actors as our dream duo for the series, but we never really thought we'd get them. They've told the story themselves of why they decided to do the project, but in essence, they really responded to the [[Mini-Series|pilot script]] and saw a lot of potential in the characters so they went for it, to our everlasting gratitude. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* "Are you using military advisors and if so, from what branch?"<br />
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:We don't have a full time military advisor on staff. However, we did have [[Ron Blecker|an advisor]] on set during the miniseries, who also put the principal actors through a "boot camp" before shooting. I can't honestly remember his name or service branch (sorry if you're reading this!) As far as the scripts go, [[Bradley Thompson]], [[David Weddle]], and I provide a lot of the military technical details based on our own knowledge base. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"I'll second the question - why is it that the paper in the Galactica universe has the corners cut off, even the tractor fed printer sheets! i just want to know."''<br />
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:This is a closely guarded secret of the show and certainly not a wacky design element that someone came up with during the [[Mini-Series|miniseries]]. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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:'''Note:''' It has been admitted by some of the production staff that this is, more or less, a joke that went overboard -- namely one derived from the fact that corners had to be cut in order to keep within the budget for the mini. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"You mentioned that the reason that the ''[[Galactica]]'' was so low-tech was that it was designed to fight the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], who could possibly infiltrate it's systems, and that this was one of the reasons it survived. If that is so, then who were the other ships designed to fight? The 120 ships alluded to are a big force just for border patrol. Are there aliens we should know about? "''<br />
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:The first [[Cylon War]] came very close to wiping out the [[Colonies]], and so when the [[Cimtar Peace Accord|Armistice]] was declared, the government maintained a large standing military force for quite some time, just in case. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"Mythos. Every science fiction show that stands the test of time needs to develop its own Mythos. By this I mean, its own unique cultural identity. For instance ''Star Wars'' has its Jedi, its Force; ''Star Trek'' has its Prime directive, beaming, and warps (sic) speed. As a writer you are aware of this and having worked in the ''Star Trek'' franchise are rather qualified in it. What will are your thoughts and insights into the development of Mythos in this new BSG child that you are tending to and caring for? Especially, since there seems to be heavy pressure to incorporate the original mythos themes of the show, will this be a guiding blueprint for thought, or just a framework to create? "''<br />
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:The mythology of the new ''Galactica'' is heavily influenced by that established in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]]. I've always approached this project with an eye toward taking the original material and making it work in a new context. I still try to do this whenever possible. Does it make sense that there would be a star system with [[Twelve Colonies|12 inhabitable planets]]? Not really, but that was in the original and at some point I decided to run with that as another nod to the old show. The mythology of the old show centered around [[Kobol]] and the thirteen "tribes of man," so I've kept it as the centerpiece of ours. Not every single element is the same and not every element is even intact, but the roots are there. The point was to make another version of ''Battlestar Galactica'', not just use the name. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"I was watching ''Wing Commander'' last night with my wife and she made a comment that the Kilrathi fighter looked pretty similar to the Cylon Raider. I know that some of the production staff from Wing Commander went on to begin production on the [[Tom DeSanto|DeSanto]] continuation, but is there in fact any sort of link here? I mean I first thought Droid Fighter from ''Star Wars: Episode One'', but that seems to be some kind of common design going on. "''<br />
<br />
:"Wing Commander" is frequently mentioned to me as a possible influence on the show, but I've never actually seen it. While it's possible that other members of the production team were influenced by it, it wasn't something that figured into my thinking. My own design influences were things like "Das Boot" "Blade Runner" "Alien/Aliens" and a stack of documentaries on the modern and history US and Royal Navies.<br />
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*''"My questions: Can the show explain a little more about their technology, for example how fast are the [[FTL]] jumps. It seems the fleet barely moves when not jumping, if the jumps are only light speed and not multiples of, some of the sublight ships could conceivably catch up (the ones not destroyed by cylons)"''<br />
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:An [[FTL]] Jump is nearly instantaneous, essentially moving a ship from point A to point B without travelling through the normal space-time continuum, presumably by bending space around the ship in some way. The analogy I used during production was to imagine three dimensional space as a flat piece of two dimensional paper. To get from one side to the other, you can travel in a straight line across the page, or you can gently bend the sheet in half and cross from edge to edge virtually instantly. How this is accomplished and what is the basis of this technology outstrips my technical brainpower.<br />
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:In fact, I feel faint just coming up with that explanation... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Did the [[Twelve Colonies|colonies]] have outposts, bases, or trade partners outside of the 12 colonies. Did they even explore other systems. The colonies could have had observatories, listening posts, or even scientific research teams exploring other planets beyond the colonial system(s). They could encounter any of these which could lead to supplies, raw materials, food, fuel etc. "''<br />
<br />
:I think that's probably true, but part of our premise is that the fleet has Jumped far out into unexplored space in an effort to elude the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], so we won't be encountered any other outposts or colonies. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"Are there any similarities between your reconception of the BG universe and where you might have gone if you'd been given the reigns of ''Voyager''?"''<br />
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:There are similarities in the premise of the two shows, so yes, there are things I'm applying here that I would've like to have done in [Star Trek:] ''Voyager'', i.e., lack of resources, the development of unique cultural and civil institutions, and internal strife among people trapped aboard ship(s) without any reasonable hope of finding sanctuary anytime soon. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"I have a friend who has a son and they both enjoy watching the new ''Battlestar Galactica''. But it is a very frustrating thing when he cannot allow his son watch the show when there are sex scenes and constant sexual innuendo scattered throughout the episodes.<br />
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:"The standard of the stories are superb and I would have to say it is one of the finest sci fi series I have seen in a long time. BUT IT DOESNT NEED SEX TO GET THE VIEWERS. Call me a little old fashioned but I nor others that I know really appreciate having to endure sex scenes that really do not further the story in any significant way. In fact I think they are rather pointless."''<br />
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:First of all, I'm sorry your friend can't watch the show with his son, but I always intended this series to be for adults. I have two small children, and I wouldn't dream of letting them watch the show -- mostly because of the violent content. Second of all, I disagree that the sexuality is intended to be exploitative or that it's somehow not integral to the story. We're presenting adult human beings as adults, and their sexuality is a key part of their lives. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s sexual weaknesses, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon]] & [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s forbidden love affair, and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s promiscuity are part of who and what they are. I think the only reason this gets the kind of attention is does is that we're not used to seeing sex treated maturely in science fiction -- nine times out of ten, any sex is either something to snigger at or to make fun of. Somehow it's okay to fetishize sex by putting women in S&M leather "space" outfits or have Carrie Fisher run around in harem clothes (not that there's anything wrong with that), but to portray two mature adults simply having sex is somehow controversial in sci-fi circles.<br />
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:I'd also point out, as I have many times before, the strange standards of American audiences, who can become red-faced with indignation over nudity, but find no problem with slasher films or chains-saw massacres. I mean, ''Galactica'''s premised on a massive genocide, and [[Mini-Series|the pilot]] deals with violent, shocking deaths over and over again, but people get upset about the sex? Weird.... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* Regarding the financial cost per episode of ''Battlestar'': "I can tell you that it’s well over one-and-a-half million dollars US per episode. It’s a substantial budget, especially when you convert it into Canadian dollars—and what we’re able to get up there—it’s a lot of money." [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding a typical day as an executive producer on ''Battlestar'':''<br />
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: The job changes as the year goes on. Right now, before we start shooting, my time is spent almost exclusively here with the writing staff. I’m writing an episode at the moment. I wrote the first episode and I’m writing the second one. The writers meet by themselves…they break some stories…I come in and give notes…and we talk about directions for other episodes. Then, as time goes on, they’ll start generating scripts and stories, and I give notes on those. I’m also taking notes from the network and the studio on previous existing material.<br />
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: There’ll also be more of me going back and forth between LA and Vancouver. And as we get closer to production, then there’ll be more looking at production designs, dealing with budgetary issues, having meetings with directors and actors, looking at casting tapes for guest-star roles. Once we get into production and start generating film, there’s dailies to watch…post moves forward and there’s cuts of episodes to watch…and there’s visual effects sequences to give notes on.<br />
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: There’s not really a typical day, per say. You have to be nimble and on your feet and able to keep changing direction. You have to cover all these different bases, and sometimes you can’t run to first. Sometimes you have to run to third, and then run back home, and then run to second. It’s never a complete pattern.<br />
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: I believe very much in delegating authority to the department heads, in empowering people and having them take responsibility for the work. My principal job is to maintain the overall vision of the piece. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* From the "Fashioning Verisimilitude" article / interview on [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com Hollywood North Report (HNR)]:<br />
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: '''Robert Falconer:''' And I guess the whole concept of the show, by definition, is that of a bottle show.<br />
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: '''Ron Moore:''' Yeah. And it was designed that way from the get-go. When [[David Eick]] and I went in and pitched it initially—knowing how expensive space opera can be—we designed it to be affordable on what we could get on a SCI-FI Channel budget. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding the use of bullets versus lasers on the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''<br />
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: [The bullets] are some sort of caseless ammunition. We had long technical discussions about some of this. What mattered to us was that they weren’t laser blasts. We just felt that had been done to death, it wasn’t as interesting, and it wasn’t realistic. From our research we discovered that such weapons would take huge amounts of energy, and that fighters would probably be better served by using actual bullets. But presumably they’re more advanced than what we’re using today, although we haven’t actually sat down and defined them as such. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding the reconciliation between [[William Adama]] and his son [[Lee Adama]] at the end of the [[Mini-Series]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''<br />
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: I think it will go up and it will go down, like any father-son dynamic does. I think they bridged a gap in the miniseries that certainly had held them apart for a couple of years. I don’t think that issue has been completely resolved, but they’ve moved past it to a certain point. Now they’re in a new relationship and a new dynamic…they’re father and son and they’re also serving on the same ship, and the stresses and pressures of that will affect the relationship. I think it’s interesting that Lee Adama has a strong relationship with [[Laura Roslin|Laura]], and that he in some respects is a bridge between her and his father. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]<br />
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* '''Edward James Olmos''': The stories are just, really, stunning. I have wept reading this thing, I have been left amazed and I've been left totally in awe. {{ref|BSG_2.0_DVD}}<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_science_fiction A description on Wikipedia on naturalistic SF] concepts used in the series <br />
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== References ==<br />
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* {{note|BSG_2.0_DVD}} [[Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0]], the Region 1 DVD<br />
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==Related Topics==<br />
* [[List of Season 1 Guest Actors (RDM)]]<br />
* [[List of Season 2 Guest Actors (RDM)]]<br />
* [[List of Recurring Characters (RDM)]]<br />
* [[List of Recurring Character Appearances (RDM)]]<br />
* [[List of Emmy Nominations and Wins]]<br />
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[[Category:A to Z]]<br />
[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]<br />
[[Category:RDM]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sci_Fi_Inside:_Battlestar_Galactica/Archive_1&diff=36196Talk:Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica/Archive 12006-03-06T04:39:30Z<p>Aggie: /* Comment */</p>
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<div>I added this since it appeared as a special on Sci Fi as sort of a "Lowdown - Season 2.0". If it doesn't belong, feel free to delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:41, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
== rough outline ==<br />
I've typed a rough outline of what is talked about... I have used character names and actor names interchangably so it will could be difficult for you to tell whether a quote is from a show or from the "Scifi Inside"... but most make sense... I don't know if it should be ordered chronologically or topically... anyhow I am just putting this up so it is out there and I at least plan on making it into somewhat of an article later... It is mostly just notes for myself... you can tell my notes because they have lots of ellipsis in them... ... ...<br />
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"Every moment is recorded and stored, all of season one, half of season two, and there is so much more to come." – Number Six, intro<br />
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"It's another chance to meet the Galactica fleet and find out who's a hero and whose not" Baltar<br />
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"Plus we'll take a look back at all the twists and turns that the stories have taken us through over the past 23 episodes" Starbuck<br />
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include run time<br />
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Use real names, not characters…<br />
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"Nobody gets off easy" Starbuck<br />
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Adama talks about his retiring… they think they're the only battlestar… dysfunctional military family… run and try to save humanity<br />
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Lee doesn't get along with his dad early on… Gradually Lee sides with his dad… <br />
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Cylons complicated elements…. Belive in a loving god… children of humanity… first act genocide against their parents (RDM)<br />
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Number six… open ended<br />
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Cylon occupied caprica – Sharon and Helo… fall in love…<br />
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Helo "nobody can empathize"… finding out your lover is a cylon<br />
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Baltar begins to fall apart mentally… non-military man on military ship… amazing he hasn't given himself away<br />
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Six's job to use Baltar to get into the defense mainframe..,. but falls in love with him…<br />
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Six in baltar head becomes his companion… when he stops listening (veering of her course) to her she becomes "sour"<br />
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Roslin- terminally ill, gone to Adama's retirement ceremony to represent Education department (secretary of education)… attack happens and she is sworn in as president… not prepared for her position of power… race against clock for survival… believes in earth… <br />
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"There is no Earth" – Adama from series<br />
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Roslin rebels against Adama… then military coup and Roslin and Lee in jail<br />
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Starbuck – best viper pilot ever… Secret of Zak's love and responsibility of his death… gets cylon raider… Roslin tells her that Adama doesn't know where earth is and Starbuck steals raider…. Go to Caprica to get to map to earth… finds out Boomer is a cylon… fights six… <br />
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Sharon 2, caprica pregnant, battlstar starts doing weird things and without warning shoots Adama…<br />
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Next:::<br />
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Biggest nightmares that adama has ever experienced. (Adama)<br />
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Adama dies… bring him back but he is weak… lost his strength… but finds it again.<br />
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Roslin reveals her sickness and says she will lead people to earth…<br />
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Roslin's escape… Roslin "toughens up"<br />
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Try to recreate presidential office… Lee doesn't agree with Roslin but trusts her and knows she should be in power… Lee tries to denounce his father… but can't<br />
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Adama and Lee meet (ep 7o? on planet…. Gallactica Sharon treated badly… killed… <br />
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Caprica Sharon pregrnant… she doesn't want to go back to the cylons… cylons theorize missing link is love…<br />
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Starbuck arrow of Apollo: find the resistence… starbuck's fling with read of resistence: Samual T ??? <br />
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And she brings back Sharon<br />
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Find map to earth with cymbols of used on origional colonies flags when they were called by their ancient names<br />
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Pegasus… good bring hope… oust Adama's command… distrust… what if they are not really who they claim to be<br />
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Adama repeats "worst situation he could have feared…"<br />
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Six in Baltar says she is a hallucination…. (clip)<br />
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Baltar thinks he;s crazy… finds model of number six on Pegasus…<br />
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Adama and what's her name go after each other….<br />
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What is going to happen::::<br />
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"you won't believe it"<br />
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Roslin suspects baltar… (yes- near death…)<br />
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Baltar may become president (??)<br />
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Six may kill a cylon… (yes… on caprica)<br />
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Starbuck finds herself in a harry situation at the end of the season (??)<br />
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Lee thinks about suicide <br />
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"No, I'm not going to tell you what's happening in the next ten episodes, you can't make me talk" Grace Park. (Boomer)<br />
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"maybe you don't" (deserve to survive) boomer quote<br />
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some flashy pictures and the end…<br />
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==Comment==<br />
Angie, nothing new was actually said in Sci Fi inside; it was just a commercial for the show for people that hadn't watched it up to that point. I was disappointed with it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:33, 5 March 2006 (CST)<br />
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A-G-G-I-E, and I know... I have seen it (Well actually for about thirty seconds they talked about things that hadn't happened at that point). But it is a nice recap, so I might make a little bit of an article, or something.--[[User:Aggie|Aggie]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sci_Fi_Inside:_Battlestar_Galactica/Archive_1&diff=36195Talk:Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica/Archive 12006-03-06T04:38:19Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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<div>I added this since it appeared as a special on Sci Fi as sort of a "Lowdown - Season 2.0". If it doesn't belong, feel free to delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:41, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
== rough outline ==<br />
I've typed a rough outline of what is talked about... I have used character names and actor names interchangably so it will could be difficult for you to tell whether a quote is from a show or from the "Scifi Inside"... but most make sense... I don't know if it should be ordered chronologically or topically... anyhow I am just putting this up so it is out there and I at least plan on making it into somewhat of an article later... It is mostly just notes for myself... you can tell my notes because they have lots of ellipsis in them... ... ...<br />
<br />
"Every moment is recorded and stored, all of season one, half of season two, and there is so much more to come." – Number Six, intro<br />
<br />
"It's another chance to meet the Galactica fleet and find out who's a hero and whose not" Baltar<br />
<br />
"Plus we'll take a look back at all the twists and turns that the stories have taken us through over the past 23 episodes" Starbuck<br />
<br />
include run time<br />
<br />
Use real names, not characters…<br />
<br />
"Nobody gets off easy" Starbuck<br />
<br />
Adama talks about his retiring… they think they're the only battlestar… dysfunctional military family… run and try to save humanity<br />
<br />
Lee doesn't get along with his dad early on… Gradually Lee sides with his dad… <br />
<br />
Cylons complicated elements…. Belive in a loving god… children of humanity… first act genocide against their parents (RDM)<br />
<br />
Number six… open ended<br />
<br />
Cylon occupied caprica – Sharon and Helo… fall in love…<br />
<br />
Helo "nobody can empathize"… finding out your lover is a cylon<br />
<br />
Baltar begins to fall apart mentally… non-military man on military ship… amazing he hasn't given himself away<br />
<br />
Six's job to use Baltar to get into the defense mainframe..,. but falls in love with him…<br />
<br />
Six in baltar head becomes his companion… when he stops listening (veering of her course) to her she becomes "sour"<br />
<br />
Roslin- terminally ill, gone to Adama's retirement ceremony to represent Education department (secretary of education)… attack happens and she is sworn in as president… not prepared for her position of power… race against clock for survival… believes in earth… <br />
<br />
"There is no Earth" – Adama from series<br />
<br />
Roslin rebels against Adama… then military coup and Roslin and Lee in jail<br />
<br />
Starbuck – best viper pilot ever… Secret of Zak's love and responsibility of his death… gets cylon raider… Roslin tells her that Adama doesn't know where earth is and Starbuck steals raider…. Go to Caprica to get to map to earth… finds out Boomer is a cylon… fights six… <br />
<br />
Sharon 2, caprica pregnant, battlstar starts doing weird things and without warning shoots Adama…<br />
<br />
<br />
Next:::<br />
<br />
Biggest nightmares that adama has ever experienced. (Adama)<br />
<br />
Adama dies… bring him back but he is weak… lost his strength… but finds it again.<br />
<br />
Roslin reveals her sickness and says she will lead people to earth…<br />
<br />
Roslin's escape… Roslin "toughens up"<br />
<br />
Try to recreate presidential office… Lee doesn't agree with Roslin but trusts her and knows she should be in power… Lee tries to denounce his father… but can't<br />
<br />
Adama and Lee meet (ep 7o? on planet…. Gallactica Sharon treated badly… killed… <br />
<br />
Caprica Sharon pregrnant… she doesn't want to go back to the cylons… cylons theorize missing link is love…<br />
<br />
Starbuck arrow of Apollo: find the resistence… starbuck's fling with read of resistence: Samual T ??? <br />
<br />
And she brings back Sharon<br />
<br />
Find map to earth with cymbols of used on origional colonies flags when they were called by their ancient names<br />
<br />
Pegasus… good bring hope… oust Adama's command… distrust… what if they are not really who they claim to be<br />
<br />
<br />
Adama repeats "worst situation he could have feared…"<br />
<br />
Six in Baltar says she is a hallucination…. (clip)<br />
<br />
Baltar thinks he;s crazy… finds model of number six on Pegasus…<br />
<br />
Adama and what's her name go after each other….<br />
<br />
What is going to happen::::<br />
<br />
"you won't believe it"<br />
<br />
Roslin suspects baltar… (yes- near death…)<br />
<br />
Baltar may become president (??)<br />
<br />
Six may kill a cylon… (yes… on caprica)<br />
<br />
Starbuck finds herself in a harry situation at the end of the season (??)<br />
<br />
Lee thinks about suicide <br />
<br />
"No, I'm not going to tell you what's happening in the next ten episodes, you can't make me talk" Grace Park. (Boomer)<br />
<br />
"maybe you don't" (deserve to survive) boomer quote<br />
<br />
some flashy pictures and the end…<br />
<br />
<br />
==Comment==<br />
Angie, nothing new was actually said in Sci Fi inside; it was just a commercial for the show for people that hadn't watched it up to that point. I was disappointed with it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:33, 5 March 2006 (CST)<br />
<br />
A-G-G-I-E<br />
<br />
and I know... I have seen it (Well actually for about thirty seconds they talked about things that hadn't happened at that point). But it is a nice recap, so I might make a little bit of an article, or something.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sci_Fi_Inside:_Battlestar_Galactica/Archive_1&diff=36194Talk:Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica/Archive 12006-03-06T04:35:16Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>I added this since it appeared as a special on Sci Fi as sort of a "Lowdown - Season 2.0". If it doesn't belong, feel free to delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:41, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
== rough outline ==<br />
I've typed a rough outline of what is talked about... I have used character names and actor names interchangably so it will could be difficult for you to tell whether a quote is from a show or from the "Scifi Inside"... but most make sense... I don't know if it should be ordered chronologically or topically... anyhow I am just putting this up so it is out there and I at least plan on making it into somewhat of an article later... It is mostly just notes for myself... you can tell my notes because they have lots of ellipsis in them... ... ...<br />
<br />
"Every moment is recorded and stored, all of season one, half of season two, and there is so much more to come." – Number Six, intro<br />
<br />
"It's another chance to meet the Galactica fleet and find out who's a hero and whose not" Baltar<br />
<br />
"Plus we'll take a look back at all the twists and turns that the stories have taken us through over the past 23 episodes" Starbuck<br />
<br />
include run time<br />
<br />
Use real names, not characters…<br />
<br />
"Nobody gets off easy" Starbuck<br />
<br />
Adama talks about his retiring… they think they're the only battlestar… dysfunctional military family… run and try to save humanity<br />
<br />
Lee doesn't get along with his dad early on… Gradually Lee sides with his dad… <br />
<br />
Cylons complicated elements…. Belive in a loving god… children of humanity… first act genocide against their parents (RDM)<br />
<br />
Number six… open ended<br />
<br />
Cylon occupied caprica – Sharon and Helo… fall in love…<br />
<br />
Helo "nobody can empathize"… finding out your lover is a cylon<br />
<br />
Baltar begins to fall apart mentally… non-military man on military ship… amazing he hasn't given himself away<br />
<br />
Six's job to use Baltar to get into the defense mainframe..,. but falls in love with him…<br />
<br />
Six in baltar head becomes his companion… when he stops listening (veering of her course) to her she becomes "sour"<br />
<br />
Roslin- terminally ill, gone to Adama's retirement ceremony to represent Education department (secretary of education)… attack happens and she is sworn in as president… not prepared for her position of power… race against clock for survival… believes in earth… <br />
<br />
"There is no Earth" – Adama from series<br />
<br />
Roslin rebels against Adama… then military coup and Roslin and Lee in jail<br />
<br />
Starbuck – best viper pilot ever… Secret of Zak's love and responsibility of his death… gets cylon raider… Roslin tells her that Adama doesn't know where earth is and Starbuck steals raider…. Go to Caprica to get to map to earth… finds out Boomer is a cylon… fights six… <br />
<br />
Sharon 2, caprica pregnant, battlstar starts doing weird things and without warning shoots Adama…<br />
<br />
<br />
Next:::<br />
<br />
Biggest nightmares that adama has ever experienced. (Adama)<br />
<br />
Adama dies… bring him back but he is weak… lost his strength… but finds it again.<br />
<br />
Roslin reveals her sickness and says she will lead people to earth…<br />
<br />
Roslin's escape… Roslin "toughens up"<br />
<br />
Try to recreate presidential office… Lee doesn't agree with Roslin but trusts her and knows she should be in power… Lee tries to denounce his father… but can't<br />
<br />
Adama and Lee meet (ep 7o? on planet…. Gallactica Sharon treated badly… killed… <br />
<br />
Caprica Sharon pregrnant… she doesn't want to go back to the cylons… cylons theorize missing link is love…<br />
<br />
Starbuck arrow of Apollo: find the resistence… starbuck's fling with read of resistence: Samual T ??? <br />
<br />
And she brings back Sharon<br />
<br />
Find map to earth with cymbols of used on origional colonies flags when they were called by their ancient names<br />
<br />
Pegasus… good bring hope… oust Adama's command… distrust… what if they are not really who they claim to be<br />
<br />
<br />
Adama repeats "worst situation he could have feared…"<br />
<br />
Six in Baltar says she is a hallucination…. (clip)<br />
<br />
Baltar thinks he;s crazy… finds model of number six on Pegasus…<br />
<br />
Adama and what's her name go after each other….<br />
<br />
What is going to happen::::<br />
<br />
"you won't believe it"<br />
<br />
Roslin suspects baltar… (yes- near death…)<br />
<br />
Baltar may become president (??)<br />
<br />
Six may kill a cylon… (yes… on caprica)<br />
<br />
Starbuck finds herself in a harry situation at the end of the season (??)<br />
<br />
Lee thinks about suicide <br />
<br />
"No, I'm not going to tell you what's happening in the next ten episodes, you can't make me talk" Grace Park. (Boomer)<br />
<br />
"maybe you don't" (deserve to survive) boomer quote<br />
<br />
some flashy pictures and the end…<br />
<br />
<br />
==Comment==<br />
Angie, nothing new was actually said in Sci Fi inside; it was just a commercial for the show for people that hadn't watched it up to that point. I was disappointed with it. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 22:33, 5 March 2006 (CST)</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sci_Fi_Inside:_Battlestar_Galactica/Archive_1&diff=36192Talk:Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica/Archive 12006-03-06T04:32:36Z<p>Aggie: /* rough outline */</p>
<hr />
<div>I added this since it appeared as a special on Sci Fi as sort of a "Lowdown - Season 2.0". If it doesn't belong, feel free to delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:41, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
== rough outline ==<br />
I've typed a rough outline of what is talked about... I have used character names and actor names interchangably so it will could be difficult for you to tell whether a quote is from a show or from the "Scifi Inside"... but most make sense... I don't know if it should be ordered chronologically or topically... anyhow I am just putting this up so it is out there and I at least plan on making it into somewhat of an article later... It is mostly just notes for myself... you can tell my notes because they have lots of ellipsis in them... ... ...<br />
===begin===<br />
"Every moment is recorded and stored, all of season one, half of season two, and there is so much more to come." – Number Six, intro<br />
<br />
"It's another chance to meet the Galactica fleet and find out who's a hero and whose not" Baltar<br />
<br />
"Plus we'll take a look back at all the twists and turns that the stories have taken us through over the past 23 episodes" Starbuck<br />
<br />
include run time<br />
<br />
Use real names, not characters…<br />
<br />
"Nobody gets off easy" Starbuck<br />
<br />
Adama talks about his retiring… they think they're the only battlestar… dysfunctional military family… run and try to save humanity<br />
<br />
Lee doesn't get along with his dad early on… Gradually Lee sides with his dad… <br />
<br />
Cylons complicated elements…. Belive in a loving god… children of humanity… first act genocide against their parents (RDM)<br />
<br />
Number six… open ended<br />
<br />
Cylon occupied caprica – Sharon and Helo… fall in love…<br />
<br />
Helo "nobody can empathize"… finding out your lover is a cylon<br />
<br />
Baltar begins to fall apart mentally… non-military man on military ship… amazing he hasn't given himself away<br />
<br />
Six's job to use Baltar to get into the defense mainframe..,. but falls in love with him…<br />
<br />
Six in baltar head becomes his companion… when he stops listening (veering of her course) to her she becomes "sour"<br />
<br />
Roslin- terminally ill, gone to Adama's retirement ceremony to represent Education department (secretary of education)… attack happens and she is sworn in as president… not prepared for her position of power… race against clock for survival… believes in earth… <br />
<br />
"There is no Earth" – Adama from series<br />
<br />
Roslin rebels against Adama… then military coup and Roslin and Lee in jail<br />
<br />
Starbuck – best viper pilot ever… Secret of Zak's love and responsibility of his death… gets cylon raider… Roslin tells her that Adama doesn't know where earth is and Starbuck steals raider…. Go to Caprica to get to map to earth… finds out Boomer is a cylon… fights six… <br />
<br />
Sharon 2, caprica pregnant, battlstar starts doing weird things and without warning shoots Adama…<br />
<br />
<br />
Next:::<br />
<br />
Biggest nightmares that adama has ever experienced. (Adama)<br />
<br />
Adama dies… bring him back but he is weak… lost his strength… but finds it again.<br />
<br />
Roslin reveals her sickness and says she will lead people to earth…<br />
<br />
Roslin's escape… Roslin "toughens up"<br />
<br />
Try to recreate presidential office… Lee doesn't agree with Roslin but trusts her and knows she should be in power… Lee tries to denounce his father… but can't<br />
<br />
Adama and Lee meet (ep 7o? on planet…. Gallactica Sharon treated badly… killed… <br />
<br />
Caprica Sharon pregrnant… she doesn't want to go back to the cylons… cylons theorize missing link is love…<br />
<br />
Starbuck arrow of Apollo: find the resistence… starbuck's fling with read of resistence: Samual T ??? <br />
<br />
And she brings back Sharon<br />
<br />
Find map to earth with cymbols of used on origional colonies flags when they were called by their ancient names<br />
<br />
Pegasus… good bring hope… oust Adama's command… distrust… what if they are not really who they claim to be<br />
<br />
<br />
Adama repeats "worst situation he could have feared…"<br />
<br />
Six in Baltar says she is a hallucination…. (clip)<br />
<br />
Baltar thinks he;s crazy… finds model of number six on Pegasus…<br />
<br />
Adama and what's her name go after each other….<br />
<br />
What is going to happen::::<br />
<br />
"you won't believe it"<br />
<br />
Roslin suspects baltar… (yes- near death…)<br />
<br />
Baltar may become president (??)<br />
<br />
Six may kill a cylon… (yes… on caprica)<br />
<br />
Starbuck finds herself in a harry situation at the end of the season (??)<br />
<br />
Lee thinks about suicide <br />
<br />
"No, I'm not going to tell you what's happening in the next ten episodes, you can't make me talk" Grace Park. (Boomer)<br />
<br />
"maybe you don't" (deserve to survive) boomer quote<br />
<br />
some flashy pictures and the end…<br />
===end===</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sci_Fi_Inside:_Battlestar_Galactica/Archive_1&diff=36191Talk:Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica/Archive 12006-03-06T04:31:55Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>I added this since it appeared as a special on Sci Fi as sort of a "Lowdown - Season 2.0". If it doesn't belong, feel free to delete. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 17:41, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
== rough outline ==<br />
I've typed a rough outline of what is talked about... I have used character names and actor names interchangably so it will could be difficult for you to tell whether a quote is from a show or from the "Scifi Inside"... but most make sense... I don't know if it should be ordered chronologically or topically... anyhow I am just putting this up so it is out there and I at least plan on making it into somewhat of an article later... It is mostly just notes for myself... you can tell my notes because they have lots of ellipsis in them... ... ...<br />
<br />
"Every moment is recorded and stored, all of season one, half of season two, and there is so much more to come." – Number Six, intro<br />
<br />
"It's another chance to meet the Galactica fleet and find out who's a hero and whose not" Baltar<br />
<br />
"Plus we'll take a look back at all the twists and turns that the stories have taken us through over the past 23 episodes" Starbuck<br />
<br />
include run time<br />
<br />
Use real names, not characters…<br />
<br />
"Nobody gets off easy" Starbuck<br />
<br />
Adama talks about his retiring… they think they're the only battlestar… dysfunctional military family… run and try to save humanity<br />
<br />
Lee doesn't get along with his dad early on… Gradually Lee sides with his dad… <br />
<br />
Cylons complicated elements…. Belive in a loving god… children of humanity… first act genocide against their parents (RDM)<br />
<br />
Number six… open ended<br />
<br />
Cylon occupied caprica – Sharon and Helo… fall in love…<br />
<br />
Helo "nobody can empathize"… finding out your lover is a cylon<br />
<br />
Baltar begins to fall apart mentally… non-military man on military ship… amazing he hasn't given himself away<br />
<br />
Six's job to use Baltar to get into the defense mainframe..,. but falls in love with him…<br />
<br />
Six in baltar head becomes his companion… when he stops listening (veering of her course) to her she becomes "sour"<br />
<br />
Roslin- terminally ill, gone to Adama's retirement ceremony to represent Education department (secretary of education)… attack happens and she is sworn in as president… not prepared for her position of power… race against clock for survival… believes in earth… <br />
<br />
"There is no Earth" – Adama from series<br />
<br />
Roslin rebels against Adama… then military coup and Roslin and Lee in jail<br />
<br />
Starbuck – best viper pilot ever… Secret of Zak's love and responsibility of his death… gets cylon raider… Roslin tells her that Adama doesn't know where earth is and Starbuck steals raider…. Go to Caprica to get to map to earth… finds out Boomer is a cylon… fights six… <br />
<br />
Sharon 2, caprica pregnant, battlstar starts doing weird things and without warning shoots Adama…<br />
<br />
<br />
Next:::<br />
<br />
Biggest nightmares that adama has ever experienced. (Adama)<br />
<br />
Adama dies… bring him back but he is weak… lost his strength… but finds it again.<br />
<br />
Roslin reveals her sickness and says she will lead people to earth…<br />
<br />
Roslin's escape… Roslin "toughens up"<br />
<br />
Try to recreate presidential office… Lee doesn't agree with Roslin but trusts her and knows she should be in power… Lee tries to denounce his father… but can't<br />
<br />
Adama and Lee meet (ep 7o? on planet…. Gallactica Sharon treated badly… killed… <br />
<br />
Caprica Sharon pregrnant… she doesn't want to go back to the cylons… cylons theorize missing link is love…<br />
<br />
Starbuck arrow of Apollo: find the resistence… starbuck's fling with read of resistence: Samual T ??? <br />
<br />
And she brings back Sharon<br />
<br />
Find map to earth with cymbols of used on origional colonies flags when they were called by their ancient names<br />
<br />
Pegasus… good bring hope… oust Adama's command… distrust… what if they are not really who they claim to be<br />
<br />
<br />
Adama repeats "worst situation he could have feared…"<br />
<br />
Six in Baltar says she is a hallucination…. (clip)<br />
<br />
Baltar thinks he;s crazy… finds model of number six on Pegasus…<br />
<br />
Adama and what's her name go after each other….<br />
<br />
What is going to happen::::<br />
<br />
"you won't believe it"<br />
<br />
Roslin suspects baltar… (yes- near death…)<br />
<br />
Baltar may become president (??)<br />
<br />
Six may kill a cylon… (yes… on caprica)<br />
<br />
Starbuck finds herself in a harry situation at the end of the season (??)<br />
<br />
Lee thinks about suicide <br />
<br />
"No, I'm not going to tell you what's happening in the next ten episodes, you can't make me talk" Grace Park. (Boomer)<br />
<br />
"maybe you don't" (deserve to survive) boomer quote<br />
<br />
some flashy pictures and the end…</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=36165User:Aggie2006-03-06T03:09:39Z<p>Aggie: /* Neat things */</p>
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<div>{{Character Data|<br />
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|age= 19<br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign= Aggie<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
<br />
[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
<br />
[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
<br />
[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve humanoid-models, but they are everywhere.<br />
<br />
[[Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica]] - I may make this article, we'll see.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe_Beaudoin_Jr./Archive&diff=35985User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr./Archive2006-03-05T06:21:41Z<p>Aggie: Good host</p>
<hr />
<div>: ''For discussions prior to September 2, 2005, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe.Beaudoin&oldid=12218 click here].''<br />
: ''For discussions prior to October 17, 2005, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe.Beaudoin&oldid=16737 click here].''<br />
: ''For discussions prior to December 18, 2005, [http://battlestarwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe.Beaudoin&oldid=19887 click here].''<br />
: ''For discussions prior to February 4, 2006, [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=User_talk:Joe.Beaudoin&oldid=29465 click here].''<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
== Color scheme ==<br />
<br />
Joe,<br />
<br />
First of all, kudos on starting the wiki! This will be an excellent resource and community, and I'm ecstatic to see it catch on so quickly.<br />
The color scheme, while definitely striking, can be a little hard on the eyes for some people, myself included. Changing the skin under preferences helps with the white-on-black text, but all the boilerplate tables retain their FG and BG colors (I guess they're controlled by the individual templates, not by CSS). Is there any way around this problem? I don't know enough about Wiki protocol to determine whether templates can also be driven by CSS. If not, perhaps a discussion should be started about modifying the color palette altogether. I personally would love to see an option for a more Colonial-Fleet-themed palette, with shades of gunmetal gray.<br />
<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 17:43, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
: I bet they can be CSS-ified. Rather than giving them colors in the template directly, give them classes or ids and let the CSS file sort out what colors those mean. Now, I'm not ''certain'' that would work, since I've never worked with the MediaWIki software, but I get the impression that it's fairly robust with regard to things like this. --[[User:Day|Day]] 18:02, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
:: I can edit the templates to use CSS classes, and edit the stylesheet appropriately. If anyone can come up with alternate color schemes, please bring them to my attention and I'll see what I can whip up. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 22:55, 18 January 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
::: Awesome! Thanks, Joe. I can start developing the gray idea... as soon as I relearn CSS. Boy, it's been awhile. -- [[User:Mayosolo|Mayosolo]] 00:57, 19 January 2006 (EST)<br />
<br />
:::: I may be wrong, but the way I read that, Joe wants colors (like #777777 for a grey, though a bland one) from us (though I like and use the black and red scheme). I think he can handle the CSSing. I could be misunderstanding him, though. If you want someone to do some grunt-work CSSing, Joe, lemme know. I know a thing or two about it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 05:37, 19 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Name Change ==<br />
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Joe, is it possible for you to change my username? Thanks --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 13:32, 28 January 2006 (EST)<br />
: Yes, it should be a relatively painless manner. What do you wish your user name changed to? -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 28 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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:: "Kraetos" would be great. Thanks! --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 23:24, 28 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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::I would also like my name changed (as I mentioned on my talk page), to "The Merovingian" ("the" is required). If you can't have two words, use "The_Merovingian". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:42, 28 January 2006 (EST)<br />
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== CSS ==<br />
<br />
[[User:Steelviper|SV]] and I got to talking about [[User talk:Steelviper/CommunityPortal#COlor Scheme|CSSing as it applies to skins here]]. I was wondering, since I know a thing or two (maybe three, but no more) about CSS, how you felt about handing out the .css files to be modified so we could use classes and ids rather than explicit colors for the various templates and boxes we've got around. If you'd rather do this yourself, that's fine, too. I just thought I'd offer/ask. --[[User:Day|Day]] 15:38, 1 February 2006 (EST)<br />
: I'd have no problem in giving out the CSS sheets. Just [mailto:joebeaudoin@joebeaudoin.net mail me] with the addresses you want the CSS files sent to and I'll send them out. :-) -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 19:15, 1 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==Cite extensions==<br />
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Joe, I'm not sure if you've seen the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cite/Cite.php cite extension], but this would make it much easier to document our sources. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 00:54, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
: I've been moseying around the extensions on the MediaWiki & Meta sites and happened upon this one as well; I even tried it on a test wiki I loaded on the server a few days ago. Unfortunately, it only works on the current unstable version of 1.6. (We use the 1.5 series, and I am not comfortable with loading anything that is in alpha stages at this time.) The extension does look cool, however, and would make our lives a lot easier, and I hope that once 1.6 hits stable we can go ahead an implement it on this wiki. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 09:15, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::Are you certain? en.wikipedia.org seems to have the extension enabled. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 10:29, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::Wikipedia is running 1.6alpha of Mediawiki, while we're on 1.5.5 over here. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:35, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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:::All Wikimedia projects tend to run the experimental versions of the MediaWiki software. I really don't see the logic of it, but... -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 11:30, 2 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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::::That's a neat feature. I'm patient enough to wait for someone else to get the bugs out, though. It will be needed here as the new show becomes not-so-new and mistakes crop up. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 01:26, 3 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Smaller Image ==<br />
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Joe, I've uploaded a smaller version of he BSG wiki image, so you can use it on the project pages. Most web browsers horribly pixelate images when scaled (see a project page for an example), using this smaller version will prevent that. The file is located at Image:BSG-WIKI-SM.png. [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Image:BSG-WIKI_SM.png] --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 18:27, 4 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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==image==<br />
: ''Moved from [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe's user page]] by [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] on 09:28, 7 February 2006 (EST).''<br />
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I get some of my images from http://galactica.emedian.net/. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:24, 7 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Name Change (Part deux) ==<br />
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Joe, I hate to be a bother, but I am politely reminding you of my [[User_talk:Joe.Beaudoin#Name_Change|request]] for a name change. If there is a problem, could you let me know? Thanks! --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 22:12, 7 February 2006 (EST)<br />
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== Good host ==<br />
<br />
I saw about your hosting problems... 1&1 is a good host, I've been using them for a while. Their monthly transfer rates start at 250GB per month for<br />
3 dollars. (although that plan is lacking in a few good features... ) Anyhow, I'm not meaning to spam or anything... I just really like my server.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35984User:Aggie2006-03-05T06:13:53Z<p>Aggie: </p>
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|age= 19<br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign= Aggie<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
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|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
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Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
<br />
[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
<br />
[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
<br />
[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve models of Humano-Cylons, but they are everywhere.<br />
<br />
[[Sci Fi Inside: Battlestar Galactica]] - I may make this article, we'll see.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35983User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:58:02Z<p>Aggie: /* Neat things */</p>
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<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= 19<br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign= Aggie<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet. That is nice.]]<br />
<br />
[[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)]] - I just think the colonies are neat.<br />
<br />
[[Religion in the Twelve Colonies]] - Interesting in its use in the RDM series and its elements from various real world religions.<br />
<br />
[[Cylon Models]] - Beware! there are only twelve models of Humano-Cylons, but they are everywhere.</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35979User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:49:05Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= 19<br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign= Aggie<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|left|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35978User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:46:51Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
=== Don't be a Cylon! ===<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|left|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35977User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:45:20Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===A thought===<br />
I think most people are Cylons. They are controlled by something they do not understand. They play a role and are essentially all the same. Don't be a Cylon!<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|left|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35976User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:44:41Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===A thought===<br />
I think most people are Cylons. They are controlled by something they do not understand. They play a role and are essentially all the same. Don't be a Cylon!<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35975User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:43:46Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div></div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aggie&diff=35974User:Aggie2006-03-05T05:43:38Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===A thought===<br />
I think most people are Cylons. They are controlled by something they do not understand. They play a role and are essentially all the same. Don't be a Cylon!<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35973User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:41:10Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
<br />
===A thought===<br />
I think most people are Cylons. They are controlled by something they do not understand. They play a role and are essentially all the same. Don't be a Cylon!<br />
<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35972User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:39:44Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
===Notes===<br />
I am not done yet...<br />
Don't be a Cylon!<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35971User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:38:21Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= Nathaniel Brown<br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
Although I do have my name here I intentionally did not use it when registering. The Armistice Officer is my picture because I am him in the BSG Facebook group. (All the good characters were taken so I figured why not be the guy who dies in the first scene.)<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35970User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:35:31Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= <br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
To find me on Facebook: I am the Armistice officer in the BSG group (I thought I'd be Mr. Redshirt).<br />
===Website===<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com Different Light Solutions]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35969User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:34:51Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= <br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
To find me on Facebook: I am the Armistice officer in the BSG group (I thought I'd be Mr. Redshirt).<br />
[http://www.differentlightsolutions.com my website]<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35968User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:33:53Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= <br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= <br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= <br />
|siblings= <br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
}}<br />
<br />
Howdy, I'm a Computer Science major from Earth, but most importantly I am the proudest member of the Fighting Texas Aggie Class of 2009. A-A-A-A-A<br />
<br />
== About Me ==<br />
<br />
=== Identity ===<br />
To find me on Facebook: I am the Armistice officer in the BSG group (I thought I'd be Mr. Redshirt).<br />
<br />
== Neat things ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in Fleet.]]<br />
<br />
== Talk to me here ==</div>Aggiehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aggie&diff=35967User talk:Aggie2006-03-05T05:30:05Z<p>Aggie: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Character Data|<br />
|photo= [[Image:Armistice officer 001.jpg|200px]]<br />
|age= 19<br />
|colony= <br />
|birthname= <br />
|callsign=<br />
|death= <br />
|parents= Two loving...<br />
|siblings= A great sister and a great brother.<br />
|children= <br />
|marital status= <br />
|role=<br />
|rank= <br />
|cylon=<br />
|actor=<br />
|name= Nate<br />
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[[Image:Image lg bgcast.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Some of the central cast of the new "Battlestar Galactica" series.<br>(c) Universal]]<br />
A re-imagining of the original ''Battlestar Galactica'', currently in its second season. <br />
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==Summary==<br />
Considered a "[[Wikipedia:Reboot_%28continuity%29|re-imagining]]", this series is a version of the 1970s ''Battlestar Galactica'' made more suitable to the sensibilities of the 21st Century. Tackling issues of civil rights, survival, terrorism, and religion, ''Battlestar Galactica'' is an epic following the survivors of the human race -- which number under 50,000. The ''[[Galactica]]'' finds herself leading a rag-tag refugee fleet on a lonely (and quite possibly, fictitious) quest for [[Earth]], with turmoil from within and danger from without.<br />
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Referred to as RDM for the executive producer, [[Ronald D. Moore]] .<br />
==Cast==<br />
===Stars===<br />
* [[Edward James Olmos]] as Commander/Admiral [[William Adama]]<br />
* [[Mary McDonnell]] as President [[Laura Roslin]]<br />
* [[Katee Sackhoff]] as Lieutenant/Captain [[Kara Thrace|Kara "Starbuck" Thrace]]<br />
* [[Jamie Bamber]] as [[Lee Adama|Captain/Major/Commander Lee "Apollo" Adama]]<br />
* [[James Callis]] as Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]]<br />
* [[Tricia Helfer]] as [[Number Six]]<br />
* [[Grace Park]] as [[Sharon Valerii]]<br />
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===Co-stars===<br />
* [[Michael Hogan]] as Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]<br />
* [[Aaron Douglas]] as Chief Petty Officer [[Galen Tyrol]]<br />
* [[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lieutenat [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]<br />
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Petty Officer (2nd Class) [[Anastasia Dualla]]<br />
* [[Paul Campbell]] as [[Billy Keikeya]] (2003-2006)<br />
* [[Alessandro Juliani]] as Lieutenant [[Felix Gaeta]] <br />
* [[Samuel Witwer]] as [[Crashdown]] (2004-2005)<br />
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==Production Crew==<br />
===Producers===<br />
* [[Ronald D. Moore]] - Developer / Executive Producer / Writer<br />
* [[David Eick]] - Executive Producer<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] - Co-Executive Producer / Writer<br />
* [[Harvey Frand]] - Producer<br />
* [[Glen A. Larson]] - Consulting Producer<br />
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===Directors===<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Marita+Grabiak Marita Grabiak] (episode 1.02 "Water") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Rod+Hardy Rod Hardy] (episode 1.04 "Act of Contrition") (episode 1.06 "Litmus") (episode 2.05 "Farm, The")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Alan+Kroeker Alan Kroeker] (episode 1.03 "Bastille Day") (episode 2.04 "Resistance") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan] (episode 1.05 "You Can't Go Home Again") (episode 2.03 "Fragged") (episode 2.06 "Home: Part 1") (episode 2.17 "The Captain's Hand")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Nankin Michael Nankin] (episode 2.09 "Flight of the Phoenix") <br />
* [[Edward James Olmos]] (episode 1.09 "Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jonas+Pate Jonas Pate] (episode 1.11 "Colonial Day")<br />
* [[Michael Rymer]] (episode 1.00 "Miniseries") (episode 1.01 "33") (episode 1.12 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 1") (episode 1.13 "Kobol's Last Gleaming: Part 2") (episode 2.01 "Scattered") (episode 2.02 "Valley of Darkness") (episode 2.10 "Pegasus") (episode 2.11 "Resurrection Ship, Part 1") (episode 2.12 "Resurrection Ship, Part 2")<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Woolnough Jeff Woolnough] (episode 1.10 "Hand of God, The") (episode 2.07 "Home: Part 2") <br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/m/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young] (episode 1.07 "Six Degrees of Seperation, epi 2.08 "Final Cut")<br />
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===Writing Staff===<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Ronald+D.+Moore Ronald D. Moore] (Miniseries Part 1, Miniseries Part 2, 1-01, 1-02, 1-12, 1-13, 2-07, 2-12)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Glen+A.+Larson Glen A. Larson] (Miniseries Part 2)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Toni+Graphia Toni Graphia] (1-03, 1-08, 2-04)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Bradley+Thompson Bradley Thompson] (1-04, 1-05, 1-10, 2-01, 2-02, 2-09, 2-15)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Weddle David Weddle] (1-04, 1-10, 2-01, 2-02, 2-09, 2-15)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Carla+Robinson Carla Robinson] (1-05, 1-11, 2-05)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Jeff+Vlaming Jeff Vlaming] (1-06, 1-09)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Angeli Michael Angeli] (1-07)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Nicole+Yorkin Nicole Yorkin] (2-03)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Dawn+Prestwich Dawn Prestwich] (2-03)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+David+Eick David Eick] (2-06, 2-07)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Mark+Verheiden Mark Verheiden] (2-08, 2-14)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Anne+Cofell+Saunders Anne Cofell Saunders] (2-10, 2-16)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Michael+Rymer Michael Rymer] (2-11, 2-12)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Joel+Anderson+Thompson Joel Anderson Thompson] (2-13)<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+James+Head James Head] (2-14)<br />
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* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Sergio+Mimica-Gezzan Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Brad+Turner Brad Turner]<br />
* [http://us.imdb.com/M/person-exact?+Robert+Young Robert Young]<br />
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==Episodes==<br />
*[[Mini-Series]] (2003)<br />
===Season 1 (2004-05)===<br />
*1.01 [[33]]<br />
*1.02 [[Water]]<br />
*1.03 [[Bastille Day]]<br />
*1.04 [[Act of Contrition]]<br />
*1.05 [[You Can't Go Home Again]]<br />
*1.06 [[Litmus]]<br />
*1.07 [[Six Degrees of Separation]]<br />
*1.08 [[Flesh and Bone]]<br />
*1.09 [[Secrets and Lies]] (aka: [[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]])<br />
*1.10 [[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]<br />
*1.11 [[Colonial Day]]<br />
*1.12 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I]]<br />
*1.13 [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]<br />
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===Season 2 (2005-06)===<br />
*2.01 [[Scattered]]<br />
*2.02 [[Valley of Darkness]]<br />
*2.03 [[Fragged]]<br />
*2.04 [[Resistance]]<br />
*2.05 [[The Farm]]<br />
*2.06 [[Home, Part I]]<br />
*2.07 [[Home, Part II]]<br />
*2.08 [[Final Cut]]<br />
*2.09 [[Flight of the Phoenix]]<br />
*2.10 [[Pegasus (episode)|Pegasus]]<br />
*2.11 [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]<br />
*2.12 [[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]<br />
*2.13 [[Epiphanies]]<br />
*2.14 [[Black Market]]<br />
*2.15 [[Scar]]<br />
*2.16 [[Sacrifice]]<br />
*2.17 [[The Captain's Hand]]<br />
*2.18 [[Downloaded]]<br />
*2.19 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]<br />
*2.20 [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]<br />
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== Official Statements ==<br />
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* ''"Apart from the fleet, is there any chance that there are other survivors? Clearly ''[[Colonial One]]'' would not have gotten to every ship that was in transit and those that had [[FTL]] could have escaped as well."''<br />
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:We are talking about shows that deal with other survivors right now. Don't ask about the [[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]] -- I [still] haven't made up my mind yet.<br />
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* ''"Will we see any of the [[:Category:Cast (TOS)|origonal cast (sic)]] apart from [[Richard Hatch]]? "''<br />
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: It's possible, but not yet on the board. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Why [[frak|"frack" (sic)]]? Where did the idea come from to make this the new F-word? Not that I don't like it, I find it amusing."''<br />
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: It's straight out of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I dropped many other terms from the old show like "[[centon]]" (a unit of measurement) and "[[yahren]]" (year) because I felt they distracted from the mood I was trying to create and they sounded a bit silly to my ear. There was something elegantly lovely about "[[frak]]," however. There's nothing like being able to say my favorite four letter word on TV over and over again and I salute [[Glen Larson]] for giving the joys of frakking up, frakking off, not giving a frak, and frakking-A to the masses. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Why does the doctor smoke?"''<br />
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:Because smoking is cool. Don't let anyone tell you different, kid.<br />
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:Seriously, we're showing people doing what people really do and not all of their choices are smart ones. We smoke, we drink, we have sex with the wrong partners -- we make lots of bad choices and some of them we do knowingly and in full cognizance of the risks and consequences. Dr. [[Cottle]] obviously knows the risks associated with smoking and he elects to do it anyway -- that's his choice.<br />
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:I'm also frankly tired of all the anti-smoking p.c. crap that we're bombarded with these days and I decided that this was a world without all that. Call it my one sop to the idea of an idealized society, the notion that adults can make informed choices and not be nagged to death or run out of public spaces for making choices that others may not like or agree with. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"What is the rank structure? It doesn't seem consistent with the Navy."''<br />
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:The rank structure is derived from the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original series]]. I didn't want to change Commander [[William Adama|Adama]] to Captain Adama or Colonel [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] to Commander Tigh, so I elected to simply embrace the co-mingled nature of the original rank structure. For our internal purposes, we've decided that the ranks are indeed a mixture of naval and army nomenclature and are basically as follows:<br />
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:'''Officers''' --<br />
:Admiral<br />
:Commander<br />
:Colonel<br />
:Major<br />
:Captain<br />
:Lieutenant<br />
:Lieutenant (junior grade)<br />
:Ensign<br />
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:'''Enlisted''' --<br />
:Master Chief Petty Officer<br />
:Chief Petty Officer<br />
:Petty Officer (1st, 2nd Class)<br />
:Specialist<br />
:Deck Hand<br />
:Recruit<br />
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:Just to complicate matters further, there are also [[Marines]] aboard ''[[Galactica]]'' which conform more closely to the traditional enlisted Marine ranks, with Sergeants, Sergeant-Majors, etc. Unresolved is the question of whether the Marine officers would also adhere to the mixed rank structure (which sounds odd) or if they are strictly army equivalents (which makes no sense given that the "Navy" ranks seem oblivious to there being any such distinction). Aren't you glad you asked? -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Will we see the mess hall and other parts of the ship such as the main Kitchen where all the meals are prepared?"''<br />
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:I'd like to. It's a question of budget; there has to be a story point or scene so cool that we just have to build this set. The Head (bathroom to you lubbers) was built in the [[33|pilot]] specifically so we'd have it around during the series. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Was this the first show to ever show a bathroom on a space ship?"''<br />
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:It's ground-breaking TV, baby. Talk about reinventing the genre. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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:'''Note:''' While we are uncertain as to what show as the "first" to show a bathroom on a space ship, we know that this series was not the first to do so. One of the few shows prior to ''Battlestar'' to show a bathroom was, in fact, a second season episode of ''Babylon 5''.<br />
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* ''"Minor question: was [[Galactica]] ever re-commissioned? As I recall, the ship was decommissioned right before the [[Cylon attack]]. It'd be nice to show the ceremony if they ever get a free moment."''<br />
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:It's an interesting point. Might be something to play at some point, but more really as an "Oh, I haven't thought about it, but..." kind of thing. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"The question I would really like to see addressed is how to reconcile the underlying quest of ''Battlestar Galactica'' with actual scientific plausibility. The quest of Battlestar Galactica is to find [[Earth]], the 13th Colony. However, it is a basic and well-substantiated tenet of science that human life here on Earth evolved slowly from a primate ancestor. Attempts to deny evolution based on the notion that human kind deserves a far more worthy origin than what evolution details, are a disservice to the pursuit of scientific truth and endeavors in our own world. There was always that reactionary sense to the original series, which drove it away from a secure standing as *science* fiction. How will the new series avoid this pitfall?"''<br />
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:I don't have a direct answer for this question yet. There are a couple of notions rolling around in my head as to how we reconcile the very real fact of evolution with the ''Galactica'' mythos, but I haven't decided which approach to take. However, it was a fundamental element of the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|orginal (sic) ''Galactica'']] mythos that "Life here began out there..." and I decided early on that it was crucial to maintain it. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"How did you come to decide upon [[Edward James Olmos]] and [[Mary McDonnell]] for their roles? This kind of project seems somewhat out of their typical genre - did either have second thoughts about taking on the project?"''<br />
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:Eddie and Mary were actually the archetypes for the characters when we were developing the series. [[David Eick]] and I used to sit around and talk about what kind of actors would play [[William Adama|Adama]] and [[Laura Roslin|Laura]] and we always talked about these two Oscar level actors as our dream duo for the series, but we never really thought we'd get them. They've told the story themselves of why they decided to do the project, but in essence, they really responded to the [[Mini-Series|pilot script]] and saw a lot of potential in the characters so they went for it, to our everlasting gratitude. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* "Are you using military advisors and if so, from what branch?"<br />
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:We don't have a full time military advisor on staff. However, we did have [[Ron Blecker|an advisor]] on set during the miniseries, who also put the principal actors through a "boot camp" before shooting. I can't honestly remember his name or service branch (sorry if you're reading this!) As far as the scripts go, [[Bradley Thompson]], [[David Weddle]], and I provide a lot of the military technical details based on our own knowledge base. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"I'll second the question - why is it that the paper in the Galactica universe has the corners cut off, even the tractor fed printer sheets! i just want to know."''<br />
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:This is a closely guarded secret of the show and certainly not a wacky design element that someone came up with during the [[Mini-Series|miniseries]]. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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:'''Note:''' It has been admitted by some of the production staff that this is, more or less, a joke that went overboard -- namely one derived from the fact that corners had to be cut in order to keep within the budget for the mini. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"You mentioned that the reason that the ''[[Galactica]]'' was so low-tech was that it was designed to fight the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], who could possibly infiltrate it's systems, and that this was one of the reasons it survived. If that is so, then who were the other ships designed to fight? The 120 ships alluded to are a big force just for border patrol. Are there aliens we should know about? "''<br />
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:The first [[Cylon War]] came very close to wiping out the [[Colonies]], and so when the [[Cimtar Peace Accord|Armistice]] was declared, the government maintained a large standing military force for quite some time, just in case. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"Mythos. Every science fiction show that stands the test of time needs to develop its own Mythos. By this I mean, its own unique cultural identity. For instance ''Star Wars'' has its Jedi, its Force; ''Star Trek'' has its Prime directive, beaming, and warps (sic) speed. As a writer you are aware of this and having worked in the ''Star Trek'' franchise are rather qualified in it. What will are your thoughts and insights into the development of Mythos in this new BSG child that you are tending to and caring for? Especially, since there seems to be heavy pressure to incorporate the original mythos themes of the show, will this be a guiding blueprint for thought, or just a framework to create? "''<br />
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:The mythology of the new ''Galactica'' is heavily influenced by that established in the [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|original]]. I've always approached this project with an eye toward taking the original material and making it work in a new context. I still try to do this whenever possible. Does it make sense that there would be a star system with [[Twelve Colonies|12 inhabitable planets]]? Not really, but that was in the original and at some point I decided to run with that as another nod to the old show. The mythology of the old show centered around [[Kobol]] and the thirteen "tribes of man," so I've kept it as the centerpiece of ours. Not every single element is the same and not every element is even intact, but the roots are there. The point was to make another version of ''Battlestar Galactica'', not just use the name. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"I was watching ''Wing Commander'' last night with my wife and she made a comment that the Kilrathi fighter looked pretty similar to the Cylon Raider. I know that some of the production staff from Wing Commander went on to begin production on the [[Tom DeSanto|DeSanto]] continuation, but is there in fact any sort of link here? I mean I first thought Droid Fighter from ''Star Wars: Episode One'', but that seems to be some kind of common design going on. "''<br />
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:"Wing Commander" is frequently mentioned to me as a possible influence on the show, but I've never actually seen it. While it's possible that other members of the production team were influenced by it, it wasn't something that figured into my thinking. My own design influences were things like "Das Boot" "Blade Runner" "Alien/Aliens" and a stack of documentaries on the modern and history US and Royal Navies.<br />
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*''"My questions: Can the show explain a little more about their technology, for example how fast are the [[FTL]] jumps. It seems the fleet barely moves when not jumping, if the jumps are only light speed and not multiples of, some of the sublight ships could conceivably catch up (the ones not destroyed by cylons)"''<br />
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:An [[FTL]] Jump is nearly instantaneous, essentially moving a ship from point A to point B without travelling through the normal space-time continuum, presumably by bending space around the ship in some way. The analogy I used during production was to imagine three dimensional space as a flat piece of two dimensional paper. To get from one side to the other, you can travel in a straight line across the page, or you can gently bend the sheet in half and cross from edge to edge virtually instantly. How this is accomplished and what is the basis of this technology outstrips my technical brainpower.<br />
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:In fact, I feel faint just coming up with that explanation... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* ''"Did the [[Twelve Colonies|colonies]] have outposts, bases, or trade partners outside of the 12 colonies. Did they even explore other systems. The colonies could have had observatories, listening posts, or even scientific research teams exploring other planets beyond the colonial system(s). They could encounter any of these which could lead to supplies, raw materials, food, fuel etc. "''<br />
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:I think that's probably true, but part of our premise is that the fleet has Jumped far out into unexplored space in an effort to elude the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]], so we won't be encountered any other outposts or colonies. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"Are there any similarities between your reconception of the BG universe and where you might have gone if you'd been given the reigns of ''Voyager''?"''<br />
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:There are similarities in the premise of the two shows, so yes, there are things I'm applying here that I would've like to have done in [Star Trek:] ''Voyager'', i.e., lack of resources, the development of unique cultural and civil institutions, and internal strife among people trapped aboard ship(s) without any reasonable hope of finding sanctuary anytime soon. -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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*''"I have a friend who has a son and they both enjoy watching the new ''Battlestar Galactica''. But it is a very frustrating thing when he cannot allow his son watch the show when there are sex scenes and constant sexual innuendo scattered throughout the episodes.<br />
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:"The standard of the stories are superb and I would have to say it is one of the finest sci fi series I have seen in a long time. BUT IT DOESNT NEED SEX TO GET THE VIEWERS. Call me a little old fashioned but I nor others that I know really appreciate having to endure sex scenes that really do not further the story in any significant way. In fact I think they are rather pointless."''<br />
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:First of all, I'm sorry your friend can't watch the show with his son, but I always intended this series to be for adults. I have two small children, and I wouldn't dream of letting them watch the show -- mostly because of the violent content. Second of all, I disagree that the sexuality is intended to be exploitative or that it's somehow not integral to the story. We're presenting adult human beings as adults, and their sexuality is a key part of their lives. [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s sexual weaknesses, [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon]] & [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]'s forbidden love affair, and [[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]]'s promiscuity are part of who and what they are. I think the only reason this gets the kind of attention is does is that we're not used to seeing sex treated maturely in science fiction -- nine times out of ten, any sex is either something to snigger at or to make fun of. Somehow it's okay to fetishize sex by putting women in S&M leather "space" outfits or have Carrie Fisher run around in harem clothes (not that there's anything wrong with that), but to portray two mature adults simply having sex is somehow controversial in sci-fi circles.<br />
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:I'd also point out, as I have many times before, the strange standards of American audiences, who can become red-faced with indignation over nudity, but find no problem with slasher films or chains-saw massacres. I mean, ''Galactica'''s premised on a massive genocide, and [[Mini-Series|the pilot]] deals with violent, shocking deaths over and over again, but people get upset about the sex? Weird.... -- {{from_RDM_blog}}<br />
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* Regarding the financial cost per episode of ''Battlestar'': "I can tell you that it’s well over one-and-a-half million dollars US per episode. It’s a substantial budget, especially when you convert it into Canadian dollars—and what we’re able to get up there—it’s a lot of money." [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding a typical day as an executive producer on ''Battlestar'':''<br />
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: The job changes as the year goes on. Right now, before we start shooting, my time is spent almost exclusively here with the writing staff. I’m writing an episode at the moment. I wrote the first episode and I’m writing the second one. The writers meet by themselves…they break some stories…I come in and give notes…and we talk about directions for other episodes. Then, as time goes on, they’ll start generating scripts and stories, and I give notes on those. I’m also taking notes from the network and the studio on previous existing material.<br />
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: There’ll also be more of me going back and forth between LA and Vancouver. And as we get closer to production, then there’ll be more looking at production designs, dealing with budgetary issues, having meetings with directors and actors, looking at casting tapes for guest-star roles. Once we get into production and start generating film, there’s dailies to watch…post moves forward and there’s cuts of episodes to watch…and there’s visual effects sequences to give notes on.<br />
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: There’s not really a typical day, per say. You have to be nimble and on your feet and able to keep changing direction. You have to cover all these different bases, and sometimes you can’t run to first. Sometimes you have to run to third, and then run back home, and then run to second. It’s never a complete pattern.<br />
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: I believe very much in delegating authority to the department heads, in empowering people and having them take responsibility for the work. My principal job is to maintain the overall vision of the piece. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* From the "Fashioning Verisimilitude" article / interview on [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com Hollywood North Report (HNR)]:<br />
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: '''Robert Falconer:''' And I guess the whole concept of the show, by definition, is that of a bottle show.<br />
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: '''Ron Moore:''' Yeah. And it was designed that way from the get-go. When [[David Eick]] and I went in and pitched it initially—knowing how expensive space opera can be—we designed it to be affordable on what we could get on a SCI-FI Channel budget. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude3.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding the use of bullets versus lasers on the [[Viper (RDM)|Vipers]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''<br />
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: [The bullets] are some sort of caseless ammunition. We had long technical discussions about some of this. What mattered to us was that they weren’t laser blasts. We just felt that had been done to death, it wasn’t as interesting, and it wasn’t realistic. From our research we discovered that such weapons would take huge amounts of energy, and that fighters would probably be better served by using actual bullets. But presumably they’re more advanced than what we’re using today, although we haven’t actually sat down and defined them as such. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]<br />
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* ''Regarding the reconciliation between [[William Adama]] and his son [[Lee Adama]] at the end of the [[Mini-Series]], as explained by [[Ronald D. Moore|Ron Moore]]:''<br />
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: I think it will go up and it will go down, like any father-son dynamic does. I think they bridged a gap in the miniseries that certainly had held them apart for a couple of years. I don’t think that issue has been completely resolved, but they’ve moved past it to a certain point. Now they’re in a new relationship and a new dynamic…they’re father and son and they’re also serving on the same ship, and the stresses and pressures of that will affect the relationship. I think it’s interesting that Lee Adama has a strong relationship with [[Laura Roslin|Laura]], and that he in some respects is a bridge between her and his father. [http://www.hollywoodnorthreport.com/pages/galactica/fashioningverisimilitude5.htm]<br />
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* '''Edward James Olmos''': The stories are just, really, stunning. I have wept reading this thing, I have been left amazed and I've been left totally in awe. {{ref|BSG_2.0_DVD}}<br />
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== See Also ==<br />
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalistic_science_fiction A description on Wikipedia on naturalistic SF] concepts used in the series <br />
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* {{note|BSG_2.0_DVD}} [[Battlestar Galactica: Season 2.0]], the Region 1 DVD<br />
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<div>The [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined Battlestar Galactica]] series shares a humorous and sometimes mysterious affinity in placing numbers with popular-culture cross-references or inside jokes in episode content.<br />
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== "1701" ==<br />
[[Image:Enterprise in fleet.jpg|right|thumb|Enterprise NCC-1701 in fleet.]]<br />
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This is part of the registry number of the famous "USS ''Enterprise''" of the "Star Trek" TV and movie series. In the [[Mini-Series]], ''[[Colonial One]]'' rescues a passenger liner named "Gemenon Liner 1701." This is an inside nod to [[Ronald D. Moore|RDM]]'s work in the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" TV series.<br />
Interestingly, the ''actual'' USS ''Enterprise'' NCC-1701 appeared in the Mini-Series tucked away in the background of the final shot of the fleet. As a result of stock footage, the Enterprise actually appears in the opening credits of every episode.<br />
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== "42" ==<br />
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There were 42 people in front of Secretary of Education [[Laura Roslin]] in line of succession for the presidency of the Twelve Colonies. "42" is the infamous "Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"...of course, no one knows what the ''Question'' is, so ''out of context'' as a result, "42" is meaningless. The "42" joke is from Douglas Adam's masterpiece, the five book "[[Wikipedia:Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy|The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy]]" Trilogy (yes, ''five'' book "Trilogy"). Another helpful axiom from the books is that when traveling around different planets through space, it's always best to "'''Know where your towel is"''' - which is considered a serious blunder to forget - a mistake which [[Lee Adama]] has nearly made on several occasions.<br />
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== "47" ==<br />
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*This was the last lottery number held by a lucky refugee on [[Twelve Colonies#Caprica|Caprica]], who was rescued by Lt. [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Sharon Valerii]] during an emergency stop on the Colony during the initial [[Cylon Attack]]. Dr. [[Gaius Baltar]] appeared to momentarily consider using the number for himself as the older woman could not read her number (her forgetfulness led her to neglect her glasses on top of her head). But Baltar was frightened out of the idea when [[Karl Agathon]] recognized him, and Baltar feared arrest for [[Colonial Defense Mainframe|treason]].<br />
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*The [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|''Galactica'' copy of Sharon Valerii]], as her stint as Boomer, the [[Raptor]] pilot, flew '''47''' missions in her Raptor ([[Flight of the Phoenix]]).<br />
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*The fighter tail number of [[Raymond Lai]]'s old Mark II [[Viper 8547|Viper]], later piloted by [[Kara Thrace]], is number 85'''47''' ([[Mini-Series]]).<br />
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*The fighter tail number of [[William Adama]]'s refurbished Mark II [[Viper 7242|Viper]], later piloted by [[Lee Adama]] when escorting ''[[Colonial Heavy 798]]'' back to Caprica, is '''7'''2'''4'''2 ([[Mini-Series]])<br />
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The number 47 was a very common in-joke in "Star Trek: The Next Generation". Writer [[Wikipedia:Joe Menosky|Joe Menosky]], a Pomoma College alumni, originated this joke based on a humorous "47 Society" at the college. He and other writers placed the number as many times as possible throughout the series in [[technobabble]], props, and visual references.<br />
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The "47" joke has become the numerical counterpart to the audio clip known as the [[Wikipedia:Wilhelm scream|"Wilhelm Scream"]] that's added to many, many action movies as an in-joke between directors and sound editors. Currently, the TV spy drama "[[Wikipedia:Alias (TV series)|Alias]]" has taken the "47" joke to almost-epic proportions by placing very obvious references in most of its episodes over its 5-year history.<br />
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== "893893" ==<br />
[[Tom Zarek|Zarek's]] repetitive prisoner number, "893893", suggests that it was not selected at random.<br />
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== "33" ==<br />
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* [[33]] is the name of the first episode<br />
* 33 is the number of minutes between Cylon attacks in the episode [[33]] <br />
* 33 is the largest printed number on the [[Radio Magnetic Indicator]]<br />
* The [[Wikipedia:Homeric Hymns|Homeric Hymns]] are '''33''' verses to various characters from Greek mythology, a few of which are also [[Lords of Kobol]].<br />
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=== {{from_RDM_blog}}: Why 33 minutes? ===<br />
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:"The truth is, there's no real answer. It's just a random number that felt right when I came up with the idea that our people were under continuous, relentless attack since the end of the pilot. I wanted it to be a short interval, just long enough for them to grab a bite to eat, jump in the shower and maybe try to catch a catnap before dragging themselves back to their duty stations and begin the whole tedious, terrifying ordeal all over again.<br />
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:"A deeper truth is, I was never interested in coming up with an explanation for Why? Never. I mean, I suppose I could've come up with a sufficiently important-sounding bit of technobabble that would've made sense (you see, the [[Cylon]] double-talk sensors tracking the <i>[[Olympic Carrier]]</i>'s nonsense drive signature needed 15 minutes to relay the made-up data wave through the pretend continuum, then the Cylon navigational hyper silly system needed another 10 minutes to recalculate the flux capacitor, etc.) but what would that have really added to the drama? How does explaining that 33 minute interval help our understanding of [[Laura Roslin|Laura]]'s terrible moment of decision, or bring us to any greater knowledge of [[Anastasia Dualla|Dualla]]'s search for her missing family and friends, or yield insight into [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s morally shattered psyche?<br />
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:"It doesn't, of course. The answer, however artfully it may (or may not) have been crafted can only subtract from the experience we have in watching the episode. Not knowing the how's or why's of the Cylon attack puts us in the same seat as the characters we're watching. They're in the dark, and we're in the dark. The relentless attack is unfathomable in its origin and unstoppable in its execution. It's mortality coming at you on a loop. If you only had 33 minutes before the next time you could die, what would you do? And what about the time after that? And the time after that? At a certain point, you stop caring about why it's happening, all you know is that it is happening, and it's happening to you.<br />
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:"So the mystery of 33 will be permanent on this show. No explanation, not even the attempt. Let it just be a number that seemed like an eternity for five long days on the [[battlestar]] ''[[Galactica]]''."<br />
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== "13" ==<br />
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* There are 13 Colonies - the [[Twelve Colonies]], plus one: The thirteenth Colony, [[Earth]]<br><br />
* There are 13 episodes in the first season of the re-imagined "Battlestar Galactica."<br><br />
**This is the standard number of episodes in the first 'trial' season of many new shows; 52 weeks a year/4 = 13 weeks a "season" that they air episodes.<br />
* Number of pilots killed by communication drone accident in "[[Act of Contrition]]"<br><br />
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== "12" ==<br />
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* There are 12 Colonies which match the 12 zodiac symbols.<br />
* There are 12 models of [[Cylon agent]].<br />
* According to President [[Laura Roslin|Roslin]] there were 12 snakes encircling her press podium when she had one of her first [[Chamalla]]-induced visions ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]). This vision was predicted by the prophet [[Pythia]], stating: "And the Lords anointed a leader to guide the caravan of the heavens to their new homeland. And unto the leader, they gave a vision of serpents, numbering two and ten, as a sign of things to come" ([[The Hand of God (RDM)|The Hand of God]]).<br />
* There were 12 Vipers that participated on the direct assault at the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]. Pythia's prophecy also mentioned that the humans would be led by "serpents numbering two and ten."<br />
* There were 12 [[Original battlestar (RDM)|battlestars]] constructed on the onset of the [[Cylon War]] ([[Miniseries]]).<br />
* There are 12 days between the first time Helo and Caprica-Valerii make love and when she becomes visibly pregnant.<br />
* There are twelve cervical vertebrae in the human spine, which glow during sexual intercourse on Cylon agents.<br />
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