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Ithaca

2008-02-19T06:28:19Z

123home123: /* Notes */ Edited phrasing of note about Ithaca NY

'''Ithaca''' is a place or subculture within the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].

[[Number Six#Caprica-Six|Caprica-Six]] asks [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|the recovered Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] if a pair of handcarved wood elephants she had in her apartment were of Ithacan origin ([[Downloaded]]).
==Notes==
*[[w:Ithaca|Ithaca]] is an island in Greece. According to Greek myth, it is thought to be the home of [[w:Odysseus|Odysseus]].
*Ithaca is also the name of the city in central New York State that serves as the home of the Ivy League school Cornell University's main campus. Executive producer Ronald Moore attended Cornell as an undergraduate student, although he did not complete his degree program.

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Ithaca

2008-02-19T06:25:54Z

123home123: /* Notes */ Added information about Ithaca, NY and the tie to Ronald Moore

'''Ithaca''' is a place or subculture within the [[The Twelve Colonies (RDM)|Twelve Colonies]].

[[Number Six#Caprica-Six|Caprica-Six]] asks [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|the recovered Sharon "Boomer" Valerii]] if a pair of handcarved wood elephants she had in her apartment were of Ithacan origin ([[Downloaded]]).
==Notes==
*[[w:Ithaca|Ithaca]] is an island in Greece. According to Greek myth, it is thought to be the home of [[w:Odysseus|Odysseus]].
*Ithaca is also the name of the city in central New York State and the location of the Ivy League school Cornell University. Executive producer Ronald Moore attended Cornell as an undergraduate student, although he did not complete his degree program.

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Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques

2007-06-03T08:25:30Z

123home123: /* Spelling of carom and meaning of DRADIS */

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== Intro, survivor count for Crossroads, Part I ==

The latest episode, "[[Crossroads, Part I]]", did not have an intro movie (time constraints?), nor did it show a survivor count. I personally don't care much about the intro movie (since we get back actual episode content), but there are a lot of die-hard fans here eager to know the survivor count. What was the count for Crossroads, Part I? Is Part II going to have an intro and a survivor count? Have you abolished the intro movie altogether? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:15, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
:The survivor count was on the board during the trial. [[User:Ausir|Ausir]] 18:54, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
::No, the number of people who escaped New Caprica was on the board. "Crossroads" takes place 2 to 3 months later. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:37, 24 March 2007 (CDT)

== Number of Season Four episodes ==

I realize this was only just announced, and you may not know or be able to comment, but there seems to be confusion over what exactly the 22 episode season order entails. Alongside this announcement, there is confirmation of the made for TV movie, which Sci-Fi is describing as "a special two-hour extended episode." The thing that people are unsure of is whether the movie counts toward the 22 episode count. Will the movie count as two episodes, and then Season Four proper will be the standard 20 episode? [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 17:39, 22 March 2007 (CDT)

== Faster-Than-Light Stuff ==

Hi there. We know that Ron Moore's goal for the show, as stated in his [[Naturalistic science fiction]] essay, was not to use incredulous science for the show, for instance, faster-than-light travel. We have a little debate if that applied to faster-than-light communications. Several instances appeared where Cylon downloading and communications may move faster than light. We understand that "FTL" travel is apparent-FTL through the [[FTL|wormhole theory]], but has there been a change to how writers handle, say, communications between Cylons at long range (like between one basestar to the infected one in "[[Torn]]"). Did Boomer's consciousness go to a Resurrection Ship and then to Caprica, or traveled farther, relayed, or some other process? If you like, you can see the extended debate in the [[Talk:Faster-than-light communication]] article to note our confusion. If true-FTL does not exist anywhere in the Re-imagined universe, we'll just tack it up to a continuity error that, I feel at least, is for cinematic purposes so a story doesn't get all overly technical or complicated. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:07, 23 March 2007 (CDT)
:Let me ask me more precise question: how do the Cylons manage to appear at the Fleet's previous position less than 12 hours after it jumped away? The Fleet must be making multi-lightyear jumps, since their destination (the Ionian nebula) is thousands of lightyears away. Does the radiation signature from the ''[[Daru Mozu]]'' travel faster than light? The radiation signature from the [[Cloud 9]] blast did travel at lightspeed. Do the Cylons have some other way of tracking the Fleet? Or is it simply a continuity error? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 03:48, 25 March 2007 (CDT)
::Note that we can't be sure the Cylons really traced them with the radiation signature. That is only what Six suggested they "might have done." Six might even be lying -- not about the signature's presence, but about how usable it is for tracking -- to cover up the real tracking method. But most of all, the Cylon fleet at Ionia didn't track them there using the radiation signature because the Mining ship was off elsewhere as a decoy.
::Now that said, since an FTL radiation signature seems unlikely, this would imply that if used, the radiation signature somehow allows the Cylons to track where a ship has jumped from its origination point. ie. that somehow the mining ship radiated its target jump coordinates. It's never said, but the colonials clearly believe it is not possible to tell where a ship jumped to, but the only ways to track a jumping ship would be either that, or an FTL transmission from the destination.--[[User:Bradtem|Bradtem]] 18:05, 23 April 2007 (CDT)

== Identity of the Final Five ==

Out of curosity, how long have you guys known who the final five are? I know Ron Moore's made comments that indicate that these were more recent decisions, but I was just curious at what point did you guys decide on who were going to be Cylons, and what really went into that decision. Thanks! [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 16:55, 27 March 2007 (CDT)

== Production numbers ==

There is a question about the actual production numbers behind the series. For instance, there is some information on the internet where the production numbers differ. For instance, some are formatted like ("T2701") -- an alleged production number for "[[Occupation]]" -- while others are formatted as 03001 (or even 301). Just wanted to know what exactly the actual "production number" should look like. Thanks Bradley! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 08:58, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

: I believe that the T27nn numbers are internal Warner Bros. numbers for the Comcast tapes that they made and fed to Comcast. I believe the 030nn numbers correspond to the production office assignments to the episodes, i.e., where 03019 is the production number for 'Crossroads, Part 2'. Thanks for helping in clearing this up.[[User:Vidiot|Vidiot]] 01:11, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== Xeno vs Zeno Fenner (Dirty Hands) ==

Currently we have him as "[[Xeno Fenner|Xeno]]", but the SciFi website lists him as "Zeno". Do you know which version is correct? --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:07, 28 March 2007 (CDT)

== Cylon numbers ==

Although we've been flooded with Cylon identities lately (we now know 11 of the 12 models), we still know only four numbers ([[Number Three|Three]], [[Number Five|Five]], [[Number Six|Six]] and [[Number Eight|Eight]]). Could you enlighten us as to the numbers of the other seven known Cylons? If you can't tell us that, can you at least tell us whether these numbers will be revealed in [[Season 4 (2008)|Season Four]]? It would also be interesting to know if the one remaining Cylon is indeed Number One, as we suspected. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:24, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

== Centurions and the final five ==

We already know [[Centurion]]s are hard-coded not to hurt the Significant Seven. Does the same go for the [[final five]]? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 11:51, 29 March 2007 (CDT)
:We've seen em shoot at Anders, so I'd say no. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:44, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
::They've also shot at Athena, though in neither case have they hit the target Cylon. Also, it hasn't been stated that they are hard-coded to not hurt the Seven (unless ordered, as by Three), only that they aren't sentient enough to rebel against them. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:34, 8 April 2007 (CDT)
:::Alright, rephrase: do the Centurions 'know' the final five? Would they take orders from them? Or are they just as ignorant as the Seven? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 04:17, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
::::Well it seems logical that the Seven programmed the Centurions, so I don't think the Centurions would know what the Seven don't. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:11, 9 April 2007 (CDT)
:::::To be fair that's actually quite the assumption; the Significant Seven don't know who programmed them, so I don't think it's a stretch to consider that they don't know who did the base program of the Centurions either. There's enough to go either way with it, so I think the question given here is a valid one. [[User:ColonelKevin|ColonelKevin]] 15:54, 10 April 2007 (CDT)
::::::Actually that's a good point. for some reason I assumed the Seven programmed the rest. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:44, 10 April 2007 (CDT)

==Adama/Tigh Meeting==
Hello, Mr. Thompson. Given the recent revelations about Tigh a lot of people have become interested on when he met Adama, but when we look back we have 2 conflicting sources. So I was wondering if you could maybe tell us which is considered to be the real one? Without revealing anything of course.

Now, we saw them meet in the flashbacks in “Scattered”, which are mentioned in the podcast [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Podcast:Scattered] to be 20 years before the miniseries, and this also seems to fit with how they look and such.

However, in “Torn” Adama says he has known Tigh for 30 years, and though admittedly it’s now technically 22-23 years after their official meeting, “30” is still a long way. It’s quite possible that Adama was dramatizing for the purpose of connecting to Tigh, but either way it creates doubt.

So my question was, is the timeline we were originally presented the official one or is it different? --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:18, 8 April 2007 (CDT)

== Spelling of carom and meaning of DRADIS ==

There has been some [[Talk:Dradis|debate]] recently as to how [[carom]] is spelled. Some say carom, some karam, and some charagm. The subtitles spell it as carom, are they right? How do the scripts spell it? --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 02:32, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

And for that matter, do you have consistent meaning of "DRADIS"? We currently have "Direction, RAnge and DIStance" which fits with recon photography, but is somewhat redundant. Someone suggested "Direction, Right Ascension and DISstance" which would fit as well. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 06:46, 16 April 2007 (CDT)

:I thought DRADIS meant "Direction and RADial DIStance," which would make perfect sense.
--[[User:123home123|123home123]] 03:25, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

== Roslin and the Admiral ==

Following on from the discussion at [[Talk:Humanoid Cylon speculation]]... in the [[Podcast:Frak Party Q and A|frak party podcast]], RDM said that he decided against Mary and Edward being in the four revealed Cylons because it would take something away from the series. Does this mean that unequivocally the Admiral and Roslin are not the final Cylon? --[[User:SSH|SSH]] 04:32, 26 April 2007 (CDT)

== Gun Nomenclature-revisited ==

In a previous article there seemed to be a writing staff debate on what the various types of capital and Viper guns were...some people on the staff appeared to prefer railguns and some chemical weapons. You can plausibly have both in the setting, here's how and why.

The only needed science is that real world railguns can theoretically acheive higher muzzle velocities than chemical weapons, but the electrical power sources for a rail gun are very large and heavy. So:

-Vipers and Raiders would carry chemically propelled rounds b/c they cannot mount the necessary power supplies. Also, they do not need the higher muzzle velocities of railguns - Vipers have higher closing velocities on their targets...ie. the Viper's drives provide aprt of the shell's velocity.

-Battlestar batteries - These vessels fight at low velocities relative to other cap ships. Also, they carry thicker armor. Hence, they need higher velocity shells to damage similarly armored targets. Also, BSG's are large enough to carry large power supplies.

Your art staff needn't worry either, actual railguns produce visible muzzle flash due to the vaporization of portions of the round
[http://www.eng.auburn.edu/department/ece/railgun/ Auburn railgun firing]

Hope this helps...assuming the debate is still going on. [[User:Feld|Feld]] 19:04, 28 April 2007 (CDT)

== What is "Razor"? ==

Dear Mr. Thompson, the first S4 casting information [http://www.sidesexpress.com/se_index.cfm?locid=5&task=type&l=5&c=battlestar#sr has surfaced]. The sheets say #401/402 "Razor" will feature Young Helena (Cain?) and Helena's father, among others. Could you please clarify whether this information refers to the TV movie about the ''Pegasus'' or to the genuine S4 premiere? -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 17:20, 3 May 2007 (CDT)
: According to [http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/audition_film-tv.html#sr this] is safe to say that Razor is TV Movie about Pegasus. --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 15:12, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:: Aah, I just love your scoops. :-) --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 15:30, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::Thanks, but unfortunately this one is not mine... It was found by Countess Persephone at Ragnar Anchorage.--[[User:Deus|Deus]] 16:21, 6 May 2007 (CDT)
:::: What I find interesting is that they are casting the role of the Hybrid (probably a Basestar CPU [[Hybrid]], but it could be something else), meaning it may be someone other than Tiffany Lyndall-Knight. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:50, 20 May 2007 (CDT)

The same source cited above by Pedda also names "[[He That Believath In Me]]" as the title for the first [[Season 4]] episode. Is this name correct? Is the misspelling intentional? TIA. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]]) 09:10, 21 May 2007 (CDT)

== Radio/"Wireless" interference effect? ==

Hi. I am curious in how this effect was produced, namely the effect heard in various scenes such as the Galactica communicating with its fighters as well as the wireless stand off dialog between Adama and Cain. Due to the rather offside nature of this question, I am aware that it is unlikely to find a guide of such, but I do seek ways in producing this somewhat interesting effect for things like fanmade game mods - for this effect does provide a very indepth feeling of using "antique" tech. I am referring to that double tone disorted voice during speech over commlines. Thank you for any hints, links, advicce. I "apollo"gize ;) for the unusual question - I hope it is not too far out what I am asking.
On the side note, I must say being a writer for BSG must be fun, wish I could something alike. --[[User:Lork|Lork]] 06:05, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Talk:The Passage/Archive 1

2006-12-10T16:13:57Z

123home123: Hot Dog's name

== I cried ==
When I watched the episode tonight, I cried at the end. It was a really sad ending. If an episode makes me cry, that means ''it'' was '''really''' good. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:31, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I was just left in shock. What a way to die...and to do it knowingly while saving a civilian ship... [[User:Xenophon10k|Xenophon10k]] 07:46, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:You weren't the only one, Shane. You weren't the only one. Note to Self: When an episode summary says "we'll learn more about a character in this episode," prepare for mourning. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:42, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::I love Kat, I also shed a tear. :'( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:14, 9 December 2006 (CST)

== Tether? ==

Why didn't Galactica just tether the Raptors to their ships? Or use the magnetic clamps that Raptors have to literally attach to the ships? They wouldn't lose any ships, it would save time, and be safer all at the same time. - [[User:Linaf|Linaf]] 09:21, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Jumping is precise, but not that precise. We don't know if a Jump between tethered ships, if they didn't occur simultaneously, would be a fatal move, or do nothing. In any case, the intense heat and buffeting in the cloud would likely make a tether snap or melt and be worthless. Magnetic clamping might have been possible given that Vipers that perform combat landings hold themselves fast within Galactica. However, performing a Jump while ''outside'' of another ship (which is also Jumping) is probably a Bad Idea. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:06, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Likely for the same reason Galactica has to close flight pods: Each ship's ftl drive is only capable of allowing it to jump, dragging a raptor along likely is no more possible the for galactica to jump with deployed flight pods. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 21:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

I'm sorry but this part of the story still doesn't make sense to me. Why did the raptors have to be outside of the ships to give them jump coordinates? If radiation would fry the civilian ship computers why not simply park a raptor in their landing bays and let their computers do the work.--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 20:15, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Likely because the Raptor's sensors cant operate from inside a metal, radiation shielded landing bay... They werent designed for that type of use. Also, it may be very likely that many ships lack a landing bay, instead relying on airlocks to connect to other ships. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 21:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

:It still doesn't make sense to me. Why not weld the raptor directly to the out hull of the civilian ships? If the rapter's computers are so well shielded why not just wrap the computers of the civilian ships in protective armour. Clearly the jump computers are small enough to be contained in a small rapter so the amount of material necessary to harden them couldn't be all that much

==Did Kat Die?==
I know this is a stupid question but why did starbuck a picture of her in the memorial hall? Snorkel378
:Yes, she died because she received a twice-fatal dose of radiation --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:10, 9 December 2006 (CST)

Then WHy did Adama Still MAke Her CAG? WHo would make someone who is dead Be A CAG. And We never saw her die. snorkel378
:It's glaringly obvious that she died. We didn't need to see her last breath to know it. She received two fatal doses. She was dying in sickbay. Kara gave her pills if she wanted to comitt suicide, because dying from radiation poisoning is extremly ugly.
:The promotion is a honorary and morale thing. It was merely posthumous, but Apollo is still the acting CAG. Adama thought that Kat's leadership and bravery are a good example for the crew --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:19, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Kat does die; there is no way for her to survive extreme radiation poisoning. However, the show's writers do not show this to enhance the drama of the moment. (Oh, Snorkel, to make an automatic signature, place four tilde characters (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your entry.) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:24, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::I'd say it's better that we didn't see her actual death. Death scenes ''can'' a clicé if not done right. Just showing its impact on the other character was far better and more effective IMO --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:27, 9 December 2006 (CST)

U guys know that this is a thery, we would have to ask the writer. Come on what if she is still insickbay some later episode in rehab? then waht would you guys say. OO and KAra gave Kat Skin rebuilds she even said that in the scene. So u might be alive but we should not be so quick to say she died because there is no ground proof. Snorkel378 P.S. i dont give a damn about an automatic signature
:She gave her an overdose of sleeping pills. And I haven't listened to the podcast yet, but it probably "confirms" her death --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)

::Yep, the podcast confirms that Kat died. Just got done listening. And Snorkel, there's no need to get ratty, we just try to help :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 10:41, 9 December 2006 (CST)

:While the podcast does make it explicit, the story as aired makes it clear.
:* We're told that flying after the tag turns black is lethal. Kat's turns black twice
:* Kara gives her "sleeping pills ... enough"
:* When Adama tells Kat he's promoting her, she asks him herself if he knows that she's not making it out of sick bay. He does.
:* Kat isn't present when her promotion is announced. This would only happen if not only she wasn't available at the time but she never would be. If she will recover, you wait until she can be present.
:* Finally, Starbuck posts her picture on the memory wall.
:So, the answer to the question "Why did Starbuck put her picture on the wall?" is "so the audience would know that she died".
:What makes the show so appealing to me is the quality of the writing. They take the time to tell the story through the character interaction, the emotional moments. They could have had her die on screen when she collapsed and made it explicit. But instead, they write it more powerfully. --[[User:Brons|Brons]] 11:45, 9 December 2006 (CST)

::Excellent points, Brons. Another example of writing that sets BSG above other shows. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:49, 9 December 2006 (CST)

She was A good Character, Snorkel378

:Agreed. She was one of my favourite characters :( --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 11:37, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::Poor Kat :( *wipes away tears* --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:07, 9 December 2006 (CST)

No doubt, Kat's dead. All the reasons above. The wall is a memorial for those who are dead, not those who are sick. And it was even in the news a former Russian spy just got wacked (assasinated by Russia) a couple weeks ago with just a small dose of radiation. Most people don't realize how dangerous radiation is because we don't deal with it on a day-to-day basis, but just a little bit can kill you. I feel that all those pilots were getting more than a small dose, other than just Kat. There could be reprocutions for all of them in the future as their health deteriorates over time.

Kat dying in this way, they could have nixed the B side story to flesh out her story. Kat was a very compelling character and her going out, well, the whole D'Anna dying over-and-over thing and the Baltar 3-way is getting boring and tedious so they could have spent more time with the Kat story. Even thus, They still did a good job of making a dramatic finish even if the story could have used a few more details.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 13:01, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:The Baltar and Three storyline is neither boring nor tedious and had only four short scenes in this episode. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:18, 9 December 2006 (CST)
::That's all opinion. Everybody's entitled to their own. But I wanted to see more of the Kat storyline and I felt the B side D'Anna story was getting in the way.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:28, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Anti-Radiation Meds ==

Part of the summary here suggests that there were no anti-rad doses to go around for any of the pilots. I thought that at some were given to the skeleton crews of the civilian ships. Am I right on this one? [[User:Steel viper|Steel viper]] 18:38, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:RDM mentioned in the podcast that the cockpits of the civilian ships might be the most heavily shielded areas. That makes sense to save some money. So the crew could have been shielded, but not the rest of the ship --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:30, 10 December 2006 (CST)

Perhaps this section should be titled just radiation rather than anti-radiation meds. I'm not sure why the returning rapters & pilots were subject to decontamination washing. I was under the impression the cluster had intense radiation because of so many stars so close together....not because it was filled with radioactive material. A ship inside the cluster would be exposed to intense radiation but as soon as it jumped out it would be fine. I've read the neutron bombs feed metal an intense amount of neutron s and metal objects like tanks could give off residual radiation up to two weeks after exposure. But washing wouldn't solve the problem. The 'hot' ships would have to be put aside until they cooled down.--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 20:22, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:I think that they were just trying to show that there was a decontamination process without getting into the real nitty-gritty details of it all. I would have preferred that they showed a little bit more realistic portrayal of a radiation decontamination, but at the same time I understand at this point in the season, they do cut corners where they can to recoup costs encured by the season opener. All this stuff isn't free and the research, props and everything... --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 00:32, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Fourth squadron leader ==

As we saw at the end of this episode, ''Galactica'' has four squadrons of pilots under the command of CAG. The squadron leaders were (before Kat's death, of course): Starbuck, Kat, Two Times and... Did anyone notice who was the fourth? -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 20:44, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:Two Times was the name of the third squad leader? Could only make out the word "Times" :) You've got better eyes then I do.
::It was Ricky "Two Times" Richardson. I'm currently completely updating the List of Pilots page. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 21:18, 9 December 2006 (CST)
:::I saw Richardson too but missed Ricky and Two Times. Does anyone have this episode yet on iTunes?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 01:02, 10 December 2006 (CST)
::::I don't think that the camera ever pans over to where we can see the 4th leader. I got the ep on iTunes, but I have a season pass.
:::::I do too, it doesn't pan over to the first squadron, but judging by the fact that Showboat is in the fourth squadron, it has to be another Captain, maybe Stinger. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 06:47, 10 December 2006 (CST)

==Jupiter = Zeus==
I had the closed caption on and found it interesting that "Jupiter" was replaced by "Zeus". I was going to make post this as a note, but then I figured it would get shot down... because I have confidence issues. But still, this makes the debate over what the "Eye of Jupiter" is interesting (I'm leaning toward the god, not planet). Also, I got the impression from Three's line about "their gods and ours" that this is some kind of acknowledgement of Roman mythology? Or did I understand that wrong? --[[User:Mars|Mars]] 08:59, 10 December 2006 (CST)

:It's not the first mention of Roman gods. We also have Mercury and Mars. The Eye of Jupiter is some kind of artifact they'll find down on the planet --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 10:03, 10 December 2006 (CST)

== Hot Dog's name ==

Great episode. Sorry to see Kat go. Anyway, I noticed that Hot Dog's name was spelled as Brendan Costanza with one "N", not as Constanza. I believe it has always been spelled as Constanza but I think it was spelled as Costanza in one previous episode. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 10:13, 10 December 2006 (CST)

Talk:Brendan Costanza/Archive 1

2006-12-10T16:04:54Z

123home123: /* Rank */

==Rank==
I don't think we can assume Hot Dog is a Lieutenant just because Kat is. She's a much better flier than he is (she flies on par with Starbuck, apparently), so she may have been fast tracked a bit. I'm not saying Hot Dog ''sucks'', but just that he's a "normal" pilot. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Kat had earned a promotion to Lt. JG for being a badass. That's on the promotion paper work, you know. "Badass" is. You know... Reason for Requested Promotion: Valor [ ] Bravery [ ] Extended, Quality Service [ ] Badassery [X]. I'm sure of it. --[[User:Day|Day]] 03:06, 4 February 2006 (EST)

:She was still nothing special in Final Cut, which was when we learned her rank, although perhaps we should just leave his rank as unknown. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:09, 4 February 2006 (EST)

::Hey, Hot Dog bravely assisted Starbuck in Act of Contrition, and destinguished himself well in the Battle of the Tylium Asteroid. My point is that he's one of the (what, like 3?) few surviving original batch of nuggets, so he's been in there a LONG time, plus he was pretty good to begin with (everyone else was a "boonie-jumper", he was a Viper academy washout). So although we really arent ''sure'' of his rank, I think he's most probably a Lieutenant. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 03:14, 4 February 2006 (EST)

::: Okay. I'm convinced. Good thing I didn't edit it. Now I don't have to revert myself. *wink* --[[User:Day|Day]] 04:29, 4 February 2006 (EST)

:::: Hotdog may be a Lieutenant at the time of LDYB or even already at the time of "Scar", but he probably he wasn't one in "Final Cut." At least this is what I infer from Lee's dialogue: "Constanza, get the hell outta here. It's the last time you come in a senior officers quarters, go, move." Kat, however, appears to be allowed to stay there. But then again, I have no military experience whatsoever, so I'm not sure whether Lieutenants are senior officers or not. -- [[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 07:54, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

:::::Going by the uniform piping, everything up to Major is a "junior" officer. However, I'd imagine that- in this case- Lee was referring to the seniority of the pilots in question. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 13:05, 29 September 2006 (CDT)

==Spelling of name==

The organizational chart in "The Passage" showed his name spelled as Brendan Costanza with one "N". Other episodes have spelled his name with two "N's". Kind of confusing.

Talk:DRADIS/Archive 1

2006-11-20T14:34:47Z

123home123:

I've always thought it was similar to the US Navy's [http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/systems/aegis.htm Aegis Mk VII] system. [[User:Panther|Panther]] 20:54, 17 August 2006 (CDT)

:There's a definite RDM blog answer that's about a sentence long and says it's a different word for radar.

:Something else is very similar to Aegis, though... I think it's in a battlestar article, probably a point-defense item for obvious reasons. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 01:06, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

It is stated that DRADIS stands for 'Direction RAnge and DIStance'.

Should it not be 'Direction RAnge Detection and Identification System' This still has the acronym DRADIS?

:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0

::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):

:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

It adds nothing to the debate :), but when i heard the anacronym '''DRADIS''', i instantly though "oh cool, thats '''D'''irection, '''R'''ange '''A'''n'''D''' '''I'''dentification '''S'''ystem ...good to see someone is thinking hard about all the little stuff"

To me it makes sense for it to mean this...remember the first few eps of ST didnt have Starfleet, but the United Earth Space Probe Agency or some such....ID it is! Hooray! :) And i'd write it as Dradis..like Radar..the caps dissapear after a while :) --[[User:Simmons|Simmons]] 07:36, 1 February 2006 (EST)Simmons

"Range" and "Distance" are indeed redundant in their most common sense, but in space, a system like this would be pretty much pointless if it didn't provide directional information in ''two'' axes, as well as the distance. Even without a useful expansion of the acronym, it should be abundantly clear that these would be the three values present in the reading for a single DRADIS contact. -- [[User:Cmr|Cmr]]

:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.

:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:: Another interesting note - The Army in its land navigation uses a method of measurement called the mil [[http://www.survivaliq.com/navigation/direction_par1.htm]] which breaks a circle up into 6400 parts rather than 360. That may explain the higher numbers quoted. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 15:01, 19 January 2006 (EST)

:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)

::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)

:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:: my point is just that this article can describe what DRADIS measures, and how, without expanding the acronym. is the early teleplay manuscript the only source for Direction, RAnge, and DIStance? if so, it seems like this is, at best, something less than canonical. [[User:Cmr|Cmr]] 17:35, 15 January 2006 (EST)

::Another (possibly unhelpful) speculation. DRADIS might be expanded usefully to 'Direction RAdius and DIStance.' This would provide the bearing to target (in three-space), the distance to target, and the radius (radians?) of the target at that distance - either the equivalent of the radar cross-section or signal strength, or perhaps some other actual size measurement which could be used to determine the target's identity? --[[User:sierran|sierran]] 12:35, 21 February 2006 (EST)

:::I think that sierran is closest: I believe it's either (Direction, RAdial, DIStance) or (Direction, RAdian, DIStance). I'm not sure of the origin of the original interpretation, but if it's not from quotable dialog, it's probably incorrect. Spherical coordinate systems require three values, but different names are used in various contexts: (radial, azimuth, polar), (radial, azimuth, zenith), (range, azimuth, elevation). In the first two sets, "radial" is the distance from the point of origin, but a radial pattern is a one that appears to originate at a point, like spokes in a wheel. A scriptwriter could easily substitute RAdial into an acronym, without realizing it is technically incorrect. Substitute DIrection for azimuth and DIStance for range, and it yields what I think is the intended derivation. Alternatively, RAdian is a unit of plane angle. Although both azimuth and elevation can be expressed in radians, perhaps a scriptwriter chose it for elevation because it created an acronym that sounded cool. --[[User:ptb|ptb]] 11:49, 12 March 2006 (CST)

:I have a WAY WAY '''WAY''' better definition for the DRADIS acronym. Get this. Get this, it's awesome. You ready? Check this out: Direction RAnge DISplacement. "Displacement" is commonly used in Naval terms to describe the amount of water mass "displaced" by a ship. Displacement could easilly be co-opted for this sort of "Space Navy" mentality to be used to define the size of ships on DRADIS. Notice that DRADIS '''does''' make a distinction between the small vessels and the capital ships. Obviously it's more than a direction/distance calculation. So what do you think? Direction RAnge DISplacement? Eh? Eh? I think it's high quality. --[[User:Trajan|Trajan]] 21:47, 26 October 2006 (CST)

:Range and Distance could refer to different measures in curved space-time or at relativistic speeds. So perhaps it locates targets in three out of four space-time dimensions, but not the three space dimensions at the same time. The display is clearly two-dimensional, with a sweeping arc to show the locus it is scanning at a given moment. It may not be able to differentiate positions within this arc. Perhaps it requires more than one DRADIS dish to accurately locate a target in three dimensions? This is equivalent to Earth radar, which can build a picture in two dimensions by scanning in one dimension. There's no reason to assume that the Colonials are not working around their own technical limitations. -- [[User:Mauve|Mauve]] 05:26, 16 November 2006 (CST)

::It's better to keep this simple, folks. An episode already shows the abbreviations that confirm the acronym's source; anything else is [[BW:FANW|fan-generated content and over-speculation]]. Don't get me wrong; both thoughts have technical merit that makes some sense. However, neither are backed up by aired content and, in fact, seem to contradict what little we know. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:21, 16 November 2006 (CST)

:I read somewhere that it was Direction and RAdial Distance. That makes far more sense than what is in the article right now. The graphic that we see in the series shows a revolving arc, which would indicate that Radial Distance is more likely, not Direction, RAnge, DIStance. By the way, the "transcript" that is cited in the footnote is merely a fan-compiled transcript. It is not an official transcript so it should not be used as the source for the acronym's meaning. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 08:34, 20 November 2006 (CST)

==Radar==
Spencerian, why did you revert Wingsandsword's note about the "radar" reference in "The Hand of God"? The dialogue in question goes like this:

:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.
--[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)

: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what Peter Farago said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)
::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)

:::It doesn't make sense for her to say "Raider range". Raiders have FTL and therefore have a massively larger range than Vipers. -- [[User:Mauve|Mauve]] 05:26, 16 November 2006 (CST)

: What if RADAR is one component of DRADIS? Suppose that DRADIS comprises a host of detection systems (RADAR, IR, UV, MAD, etc.) all linked into one system and accessed from one console?--Axeman

::As I have stated numerous times, in context, she could have been saying "Raider range". There's a burden of proof there, a shaodw of a doubt if you will, and she kind of slurrs it; doesn't sound quite like she's saying "Radar". I think our current thing is fine: making a note that we think she said Radar, but that she could have said "Raider". This is, of course, distinct from the horrible "Black Market" in which amongst other failures they call fumarellos "cigars". --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 14:19, 29 January 2006 (EST)

:::That wasn't an error. Cigars have never been called Fumarellos in RDM. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 15:03, 29 January 2006 (EST)
::::There seems to be a lot of contention over this point. Can someone find a specific reference where they were or weren't called cigars or fumarellos? --[[User:BMS|BMS]] 15:09, 29 January 2006 (EST)
:::::Actually I was just using that as an example; Peter and I are actually leaning towards the position that they were ALWAYS called "Cigars" but "tobacco" is "fumarello leaf" here.--[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 15:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)

Just a comment - Astronomy uses a coordinate system that uses Declination and Right Ascension to pinpoint astral bodies. If you include distance, you now have a system that you can use to determine another objects position in space *relative to you* (if I call my "up" north, then I can place everything by how many degrees "north" (or by using negative numbers how far "south") it is, how many degrees "right" (or "left") it is, and how far away from me it is)

==Name?==

Should the name of this article be all caps, or is there a naming convention in place that restrits all caps in an article title? [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 16:41, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:Possible, but generally it looks a bit garrish and we don't know the acronym fully. Besides, do you ''always'' write out radio as "RADIO"? It's a portmaneau, not a full acronym. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 16:49, 20 January 2006 (EST)
:: I agree, but throughout the article and other articles, DRADIS is capitalized. I was only suggesting it in order to make it more uniform. I'll defer to the majority though. [[User:Joemc72|Joemc72]] 16:52, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::The capitalization is because DRADIS is an acronym, like RADAR or LASER or NASA. Usage for these terms have dropped the capitalization down to where the acronym becomes a word except for NASA. DRADIS isn't there yet in my mind. On the other hand, if I see it without capitalization, I don't change it unless it looks aesthetically wrong. Acronyms should be capitalized unless there is a wiki convention that says otherwise. For wiki's sake, keeping it not capitalized (particularly as the article name) prevents weirdness. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:34, 20 January 2006 (EST)

:::: To bring this subject back up, the first thing I thought of when seeing this article was that it wasnt in capitals. You are right in that people casually dont say RADAR in capitals when writing because it one of the exceptions to the rule. The word "Radar" is now officially in the English language as a standard word, theorfor losing the capitalisation in the process. Laser is also another example of an acronym adopted as an official word. Radio as far as i know was never an acronym? It seems to me that an acronym only loses its capitalisation when it becomes an official word (radar, laser, scuba etc) and when its not all letters are in capitals (ICBM, LCD, AIDS etc) --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] 06:01, 3 April 2006 (CDT)

==Rank==

In the last frame before the opening credits in "Pegasus" the Dradis icon for the ''Pegasus'' is shown with two stars next to it. I assume these denote the rank of the flag officer (Admiral Cain) aboard. Is this worth including? [[User:Jagaroth|Jagaroth]] 05:08, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

:Maybe. Is there a DRADIS shot of what ''Galactica'' looked like on ''Pegasus'' DRADIS? If there isn't any special marking for Adama (of Commander rank then), we'll know that DRADIS can be configured to indicate battlestars with flag officers, as Cain was. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 07:26, 13 September 2006 (CDT)

::I think the second picture on the page is the view from ''Pegasus'' to ''Galactica'' because ''Galactica'' is in mid-field on the display rather than being the source (at the bottom). I'll check later. To confirm we'd need a shot of an external DRADIS after Adama gets promoted. [[User:Jagaroth|Jagaroth]] 03:57, 14 September 2006 (CDT)
:::I attached the pics together, the other one is Galactica from Pegasus and there is no stars next to the Big-G. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 04:43, 14 September 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Madeline Parker/Archive 1

2006-11-14T06:20:21Z

123home123: Confusion over the name

==The actress' name==
Various episodes have her credited as either Madeline or Madeleine Parker. I've been unable to confirm which is the correct spelling of the name. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:20, 14 November 2006 (CST)

Talk:A Measure of Salvation/Archive 1

2006-11-14T02:58:57Z

123home123: Note about the virus

==Picture?==
Is that picture from A Measure of Salvation? I don't remember Three and Six projecting themselves into a forest. The outfits they are wearing look like what they wore while torturing Baltar, so maybe it's from a deleted scene. Unless I've forgotten the scene for some reason, shouldn't we get a picture that actually came from the episode? -- [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:10, 11 November 2006 (CST)

== Some Poor Writing ==

Attention to detail is what has set BSG apart from so many other science-fiction shows - including Mr. Moore's Star Trek franchises. So I was very disappointed last night to see the sloppy errors piling up deep. I'd have to see the epsiode again to list them all, but mainly them problems concerned the virus.

The scene where potentially infected Galactica crew are "quarantined", together with Sharon, in a room with cold-storage plastic flaps was ridiculous.

It's preposterous to think that a cylon would casually betray his race for the anti-viral drug. He has no assurance that he won't be double-crossed, and he certainly - even after torture - wouldn't spell out the danger the virus poses to the cylon fleet. The audience isn't stupid and neither should the Galctica crew be. Seeing Lee with a dim little lightbulb over his head was just insulting to us all.

Past episodes have cleary shown that cylon ressurection occurs over significant distances, (greater than FTL jumps), and that calls into question the fundemental logistics of Adama's infection plan.

There would be no reason to jump Galactica itself, just sending one raptor with a cylon transponder and one infected cylon would have done the trick. (Nevermind the ease with which two cylon raiders almost instantly materialize into a whole cylon fleet with a resurrectionship conveniently in tow.)

The analysis on the episode summary page provides an excellent plot device allowing the raid to "succeed" thus justifying the major build-up of the two part story. In fact, it would have made a superb three part arc.

Hypothetical episode 3: Spend some realistic period of time finding a reasonably sized cylon fleet, infect them, virus begins spreading throughout area covered by the "local" resurrection ship. Cylons scramble to head off disease, Baltar gains points by developing Hera vaccine, cylons survive but with major "body-blow" giving Galactica and fleet some breathing room as they prepare to investigate the new lead to Earth.

Please don't get me wrong, I love this show, but sci-fi writing has always been done on the cheap and it make my eyes roll as I struggle to care about characters forced through non-sensical plot contortions. Please, Mr. Moore, DON'T LET BSG SINK TO THE SAME SAD FATE! I'm trusting that this was just a hiccup not a trend.

--[[User:IanB|IanB]] 13:08, 11 November 2006 (CST)

:In defense of the writers, I think you are wrong on two points:
:*Jumping Galactica makes sense. In [[Scar]] Cylon Raiders are engaging in skirmishes despite the absence of a resurrection ship. A Raptor is not a big enough threat to guarantee the presence of a resurrection ship. If one isn't in range by accident the Cylons would probably engage the Raptor without it and take a minor risk of permanently loosing a few raiders. And after [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]] the Cylons could be exspected to take a closer look to any unexpected Raptors with a Cylon transponder showing up. If they destroy it without a resurrection ship in range, the plans failed. Also Racetrack stated last episode that there is a shortage of Raptors in the fleet, noone is going to be eager to sacrifice one. Jumping Galactica ensures the Cylon require lots of forces, expect lot's of casualties and have a resurrection ship nearby, though I could have done without seeing it arrive on the battlefield, that's bad and inconsistent strategy, just to make sure the audience knows that it is in range.

:*There is probably a greater timespan between arrival of the patrol and that of the strikeforce then shown onscreen. Helo manipulates the oxygen-system after the jump, nevertheless the prisoners are already dead by the time the resurrection ship appears, indicating a least a few minutes have passed. The process can be seen in [[Flight of the Phoenix]] in the firing range scene (it's likely that Helo manipulated the same system).

:Two more plotholes I noticed: How do the Colonials know the Cylon supply lines? And given that they know Athena is immune because she's given birth to a hybrid child, they should wonder if there a more human-cylon hybrids. Even without knowing that Hera is still alive, if the massive Cylon effort to create hybrids resulted in creating at least one more hybrid the cylons would take a blow, but would not be exstinct. By the way it would be nice if we would hear something about these efforts. When Hera is shown for the first time in Cylon hands would be a good opportunity to close that chapter with a throwaway line that all these efforts were fruitless and stopped. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 11:24, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: That's an interesting question -- one that I had myself, actually. Even if the effort didn't destroy the Cylon race (and I think that goal is overly optimistic), the virus would have given a serious blow to the Cylons, which would only serve to give the survivors more breathing room -- not to metion the increase in general morale, which the survivors seriously need after the farce at New Caprica. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

I would have to agree the writing is poor. The series seems to be drifting from its roots and moving into the Hollywood PC political statement world. This season has already thrown in suicide bombing and implied it was acceptable, now there is a drift into making political statements about biological weapons (even though nuclear weapons have been freely used in the past.) It seems the writers are abandoning their science fiction roots and reaching to make their own personal social or political commentary. I do hope they get back to what I considered truly exceptional science fiction and stop these editorials.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 00:06, 12 November 2006 (CST)

Followup: According to and article on the Gateworld site ([http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/10/season_three_ratings_slip_from_premiere.shtml]) the ratings have been slipping. As much as I truly love this show, I know my wife and I were both rather disgusted with the previous inclusion of the suicide bombers and now the “loss of humanity” references associated with the potential use of biological weapons. I have also heard complaints from two of our friends. I’m concerned that if this direction is continued it will not only ruin the show, it will also drive away viewers resulting in cancelation. As a long time science fiction fan (I even remember watching the original showings of Lost in Space and the first Star Trek) this has been my all time favorite show up until now. I would hate to see it have an early demise. As I mentioned above, I hope the writers can return to science fiction and entertainment.--[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 16:13, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:: Ratings have been slipping for ''SG-1'' and ''Atlantis'' as well; neither have the strong allegories to today's world, or the world of yesteryear for that matter. So I don't fully buy that there's a direct correlation between the creative direction BSG is going and the loss in viewership. Actually, one could probably argue (more successfully in my informed opinion) that the loss of ratings has more to do with Sci-Fi's scheduling decisions of breaking up the "Three Amigos" (''Stargate SG-1'', ''Stargate Atlantis'' and ''Battlestar Galactica''). As for the "loss of humanity" and suicide bombing themes, these have existed since the miniseries (Number Five's suicide bombing attempt in "[[Litmus]]" and Adama's speech in the miniseries and platitudes since then). -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 16:53, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::: In my very informed opinion, I would have to disagree on several points. While time slots and lineup can affect ratings, this usually is reflected in those of the shows with the weaker individual draw. Galactica is a cornerstone show which should draw up the ratings for those around it rather than have such a slump from a lineup change.

::: As for the previous Friday lineup, SG-1 ratings have steadily declined since the departure of Richard Dean Anderson. His departure also seemed to coincide with decline in the quality of the writing, though I’m not convinced the two were related rather than just coincidental. I have always believed the SG Atlantis was the weak link in that lineup and was carried by its position between SG-1 and BSG. As mentioned in the article I referenced above, Dr. Who, which leads into BSG, has had poor ratings this season. I believe the replacement of the very likable actor playing the title role, though consistent with the original BBC series, was a detriment to this series. In addition, this season’s writing has seemed less creative and entertaining. I greatly enjoyed their first season, but have found the current one to be rather dull and uninteresting. This certainly doesn’t help with the Galactica ratings, but I don’t believe it is the major factor in the decline.

::: The introduction of controversial topics into plot lines is often risky, particularly with science fiction which is typically considered pure escapism, even when it has a dark element like BSG (i.e.: The potential extermination of the human race and the continued threat from the Cylon.) Generally, Sci-Fi fans want to escape the real world and be entertained, not lectured on the writers’ political or social views of modern events. While any controversial topic is a risk, the introduction of those that are currently so polarizing is almost a guarantee of distancing a significant portion of your fan base.

::: You associated the bombing executed by a Cylon against those carried out by human suicide bombers. The two aren’t even remotely comparable. The first was not executed by a human, was not condoned by the humans, and was executed by an individual who (as already had been established) would be reborn (“downloaded”) into a new body, but as the same individual. The later was not only condoned by members of the upper human leadership, it was presented as a reasonable and acceptable approach in a given situation – a strong statement considering current world events. (As someone who’s nephew’s squad was attacked by the first suicide bomber in the gulf war, killing many of his squad just a few yards in front of him, I will freely admit to strong personal feelings in this matter. None the less, such controversial plot elements are invariably going to strongly offend a significant number of viewers.) The inference that the humans must limit their use of weapons against an enemy bent on the genocide of humanity is another PC component. Biological weapons as a plot element would have been better completely left out rather than used as a mechanism for additional political commentary. Remember, people watch for entertainment, not a reminder of current events or a thinly disguised lecture from Hollywood writers on their political and social opinions.

::: It is also rather telling that the ratings dropped rather significantly after the season 3 premiere (where suicide bombings by humans were introduced and condoned.) I’ll be interested in seeing how the ratings are affected after this latest one sided (read: “PC”) foray into contemporary controversial issues.

::: --[[User:GeorgeW|GeorgeW]] 20:40, 12 November 2006 (CST)

::::I doubt that the suicide bombings in Occupation and Precipice were "condoned" by the show. Roslin didn't like them. Tigh, who planned them, thought they were bad. Even Baltar (who's been developing a conscience this season, thank the Gods) didn't like them. The first was a waste of life and counterproductive, causing a massive Cylon freakout that would have killed off Roslin, Zarek, Cally and a bunch of other people if the resistance hadn't saved them in the last minute. The second took down the power grid, which was more helpful, but it should be noted that in this case the bomber didn't kill any civilians, just herself and some Cylons. Tigh is still suffering because of the choices he made on New Caprica, and it doesn't look like he's coming out of those moral woods anytime soon.

::::Furthermore, I don't think the show has condemned the use of the Cylon virus, either. Roslin was all about it, after all, and I don't think there's anything less PC than a schoolteacher with a Messiah complex jonesing for some genocide. --[[User:Noindiecred|Noindiecred]] 22:33, 12 November 2006 (CST)

:::: The use of nuclear weapons are logical in a space setting where great distances are involved and ships are heavily armoured. I would suspect, though, that a Presidential order would have been required to use nukes on the surface of a populated planet. The use of bio-weapons would probably have similiar restrictions because of their nature. I disagree that this show was PC. The weapon that the humans stumbled upon had a unique ability to wipe out the entire race of cyclons. To use it does carry far more ethical problems than simply using a nuke on a basestar. To use a rl analogy even during WWII the US would have been reluctant to have used a weapon that would have destroyed every Japanese person on the planet--[[User:Boonton|Boonton]] 09:39, 13 November 2006 (CST)

:::I think the show has been attacking issues that are important in our modern world since the beginning. Basic issues like balance of power, whether civilian government should stay in power during a massive crisis and war, religion in general, how to treat thouse different from yourselves (the show has been very ambivalent about killing Cylons, even though they are "just robots"), Baltar's initial refusal to believe in the gods or a god. It has even tackled thitngs like terrorism as a means to an end (Zarek was introduced at the beginning of the first season), abortion, infanticide, torture, treatment of prisoners. In all, it has been very current and politically involved since the beginning. However, with the first 4 episodes of season 3, it took a decidedly controversial and risky turn by depicting our favorite valiant and noble heros under brutal occupation. The writers have guts, and their ratings may have suffered, but they are doing the same thing they've been doing since the beginning of the show. It's just now a lot of poeple who watch TV don't agree with the particular direction the show took. However, even then, it left the viewer to choose for him or herself what to think, it was again ambivalent, which may be what makes it the best show on TV. No, the show will not supply you with easy answers and moral certitude to very important current questions. But that's a good thing, not a bad thing. --[[User:Yaneh|Yaneh]] 15:49, 13 November 2006 (EST)

== Explanations ==

A note about the Resurection ship jumping into the battle... it would seem that this is actually a good tactical move from the Cylon perspective. After Pegasus and Galactica easily destroyed the first resurrection ship and it's escorts, it would be prudent for the Cylons to keep the new ship with their fleet... even if this means taking it into battle with them. From their point of view it might look as if Galactica was trying to sucker the baseships away from the resurrection ship so the colonials could attack it. They've already used the "sucker" strategy a number of times, we could just be seeing a Cylon reaction to that strategy. Bringing the ship with them would negate such a threat as several basestars (more than enough to hold galactica off) would be able to cover for it.

As far as supply lines, it would figure that Galactica would know about this. Basic military strategy is to harass or at least keep an eye on enemy supply lines.

Also a note about the raptors and their missiles. The colonials may have found, after the battle over new caprica, that the missile attachments for the raptors were effective and could be adapted for other (combat) uses as well. It would also figure that after the loss of Pegasus, the colonials would be trying everything they could to increase firepower. This is probably just a jury-rig solution for increasing galactica's firepower.

: And all this has yet to be supported on screen. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:45, 13 November 2006 (CST)

::In [[The Captain's Hand]] Admiral Adama orders a recon of 5 Raptors, 2 of them SAR and 3 Escort. Though never seen onscreen heavily armed Raptors must have been around for some time. [[User:Nevfennas|Nevfennas]] 14:57, 13 November 2006 (CST)

== About Gaeta ==
Looking at the question here:

: Why is Gaeta so surprised to hear that Baltar is alive, given the fact that he was actually there when D'Anna offered Baltar to be evacuated from New Caprica?

Er, well, the last time Gaeta saw Baltar, he gave him a gun and told him his last chance at redemption was to stop Three from setting off the nuke. Given that the nuke didn't go off, it isn't unreasonable to believe Baltar was successful, and that in succeeding he would have either died or been stranded on New Caprica. --[[User:Saforrest|Saforrest]] 02:50, 13 November 2006 (CST)

:Gaeta knew that he was chummy with the Cylons. For him to convince them not to detonate the nuke (not hard, given that it would be at best a symbolic gesture) and still make it off the planet alive is well within the realm of possibility. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 02:56, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==A quick battle==

I was just wondering but is the skirmish with Galactica and the Basestars going to be added into the Second Cylon War or not? Sure it was short but it still had combat and casualties so it should be added to the list. [[User:Commander Mazien|Commander Mazien]] 19:54, 13 November 2006 (CST)
: Sure, I don't see why not. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 20:10, 13 November 2006 (CST)

==Note about the virus is incorrect==

The note:

Dr. Cottle identifies the disease as Lymphocytic encephalitis, however encephalitis is a condition (swelling of the brain) that can be caused by a pathogen, not a pathogen itself. More likely the pathogen is Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus.

When a doctor identifies a disease, he normally states the name of the disease, not the name of the virus. The note itself states that Doc Cottle identifies the "disease," not the pathogen. I think the note needs to be modified or deleted. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 20:58, 13 November 2006 (CST)

Torn

2006-11-10T01:25:55Z

123home123: /* Notes */

{{Episode Data
| title= Torn
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Epi 5 - StarbuckTighAdama.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 6
| guests=
| writer= [[Anne Cofell Saunders]]
| story=
| director= [[Jean de Segonzac]]
| production= 306
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-11-03
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,422
| prev= [[Collaborators]]
| next= [[A Measure of Salvation]]
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== Overview ==
:''[[Kara Thrace|Starbuck]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] create divisions between those who suffered under the Cylon occupation of [[New Caprica]] and those who stayed with the fleet. Meanwhile, [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] tries to prove his worth to the Cylons.''

== Summary ==

=== On [[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]] ===
* ''Galactica'''s air group runs exercises with the Viper pilots who settled on New Caprica and are thus out of shape. Starbuck deliberately breaks formation and collides with [[Louanne Katraine|Kat]]'s Viper, forcing an end to the exercise and causing now-Major [[Lee Adama]] - who has resumed his post as [[CAG]] - to remove her from flight duty.
* [[Gaeta|Felix Gaeta]] meets with [[Laura Roslin]] and [[William Adama]] to discuss Baltar-related matters. During the year before the Cylon Occupation of New Caprica, Baltar was obsessed with analyzing the data from Kobol to find the path to Earth. Based on passages in the [[Pythia|Scrolls of Pythia]], Baltar identified a nebula and two associated pulsars he believed to be a landmark on the road to Earth.
* Upon Thrace's return to her bunk, she is met by Kacey and her mother, whom she dismisses, telling the Kacey's mother not visit her again.
* [[Karl Agathon]] congratulates and encourages Apollo for losing all the excess fat he had gained during the New Caprica era. Apollo asks Helo to ensure to remind him to never let that happen again.
* In the pilots' rec room, [[Brendan Constanza|Hot Dog]] christens Lieutenant [[Sharon Agathon]] with the callsign "[[Athena]]" after she points out that, despite appearances, she is not "[[Boomer]]".
* Thrace and Tigh begin to sow dissent between the survivors of New Caprica and the crew that stayed behind on ''Galactica''.
* Adama confronts Thrace and Tigh on their behavior. He challenges them to shoot him, as their constant complaining is tantamount to pulling the trigger. When neither do, Adama demands they shape up and move on with their lives.
* Spurred by Adama's words, Thrace cuts her hair and appears to return to duty. Later, in uniform, she visits [[Kacey]] and her mother.
* Meanwhile, Tigh returns to his room and begins drinking to excess, finishing off one bottle and starting another.
* In a Raptor, Athena and [[Racetrack]] jump into range of the [[Lion's Head Nebula]], and are excited to find what the Scrolls described (an eye that blinks red and blue). They quickly realize, however, that they have jumped right next to the dying basestar.

=== On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]] ===
*[[Gaius Baltar]], aboard the Cylon basestar, is having another hallucination. On a sunny beach, Gaius praises Six for returning to him in his time of need, and states that he enjoys having conversations with her. Six implores him to learn anything and everything about the Cylons, as he will need the information in the days ahead. Six also tells him that the Cylons use forms of projection to see the world around them, and when asked what she is, Six tells Baltar that she is an angel of God.
*Having been allowed to stay on the [[basestar]], [[Caprica-Six]] and [[Three]] talk with Baltar later on, inquiring about the location of [[Earth]]. Baltar initially denies having any knowledge of where Earth is, but then reveals that he does have clues as to where its probable location is. He then finds out that the [[Cylons]] intend to find Earth so they can use it as their new home.
*Baltar is apprehensive about helping the Cylons, and Caprica-Six tells him that the Cylons are also leery as to whether his intentions are true or not. Caprica-Six leads Baltar through the ship, telling him that she uses a projection of a forest to navigate the ship. In his mind, Baltar realizes that his form of projection is similar to what the Cylons are using, causing him to question whether he is human or a Cylon.
*Caprica-Six informs Baltar that his rescue of [[Hera]] and his assistance in finding Earth has made him a valuable asset, and has gone a long way in impressing the Cylons. Baltar asks why there are only seven models on the ship, and inquires about the remaining five models. Caprica-Six tells him that they don't talk about it. He asks whether they would recognize one of the others, but their conversation is interrupted by Three before she can answer.
* Three informs Caprica-Six that there is a situation, and a [[Five]] states that the basestar that went to check the pulsar has not reported back. The group head to a control center, where Baltar finds out that the missing basestar has been infected by a disease. The Cylons speculate and that any Cylon that dies and uploads to a [[Resurrection Ship]] might spread the virus even further. As a precautionary measure the Resurrection Ship is kept out of range. On the urge of his internal Six, Baltar offers to board the infected basestar and collect scientific information.
* Before he leaves on his mission, Baltar encounters the [[Hybrid|Cylon Hybrid]] that controls the functions of the basestar. The hybrid is hooked into the ship's systems and continually vocalizes her seemingly non-sensical thoughts. Caprica-Six tells Baltar that it is thought by most of the Cylon models that the Hybrid has gone insane from being connected to the [[basestar]] and that her words hold no meaning, however the [[Leoben]] model considers the hybrid's words as coming from God.
* The Cylons provide Baltar with a Raptor to board the baseship, and when he arrives, he finds numerous Cylons, either dead or dying. He collects blood samples and takes pictures of the area to bring back for analysis, and also finds a large manmade object in the hold of the ship. He then finds a dying [[Six]] model (curiously with black hair), who informs him that the device the Cylons captured, a probe left by the [[13th Colony]]. Even though Baltar offers to bring her help, she tries to attack him, and he strangles her to death.
* Upon his return to the basestar, he denies finding anything that could have caused the outbreak of the virus, but Caprica-Six notices the probe object in Baltar's picture, but doesn't let on to anyone else what she has discovered.

== Questions ==
* Would it be possible for the Colonials to salvage the derelict basestar for their own purposes?
* What has happened to the remaining five Cylon models? Are they so secretive that none of the other seven variants have any knowledge of them? Did the Cylons permanently box the other models because they were dissenters to the cause of the Cylon race?
* If Baltar was able to extrapolate the location of the Lion's Head Nebula just from reading the sacred scriptures, can we not assume someone else could have conducted the same research at an earlier date?
* What is Caprica-Six going to do now that she realizes Baltar may be withholding critically sensitive information?
* Cally and Galen Tyrol are both seen working on the hangar deck. Who is taking care of their baby? Has a system been put in place to take care of crewmembers' children?
* Is Athena infected with the Cylon virus? {{spoilli|([[A Measure of Salvation|Answer]])}}
* As the probe is supposed to come from the 13th tribe, and is affecting Cylons, does that mean that Cylons have been exisiting in times of the 13th tribe? Or is just by accident that is viral for Cylons?
** What is the "genetic pool" that the human form Cylons all come from, and has it existed for longer than the Cylons themselves?
** Could the people on Earth be aware ''currently'' that the Cylons are after them, and have sent the probe to hinder the Cylons' efforts?
* Is the virus biological or technological in nature? The "inevitable once we took human form" and "genetic pool" lines indicate that the Cylons think it is biological. On the other hand, their speculation that it could survive through a download process implies that it could technological in nature (i.e. computer virus). Or is the virus both biological and technological, like the Cylons themselves?
* Why did then-President Baltar investigate clues to Earth's location, given that he advocated abandoning that very search in his election campaign?
* Is the Cylon model Eight we see on the basestar with Baltar Boomer? If yes, is her involvement with the Cylons on that basestar to find a map of Earth an indication that she has finally accepted her identity as a Cylon and disassociated herself from the humans?

== Analysis ==
*The crew-position shuffle continues from last episode, but some definite decisions have been made:
**Lee has been demoted back to Major, and has resumed his old position as CAG, with Kat and Hot Dog as senior pilots under him. Starbuck is as well, until Adama revokes her flight status for reckless behaviour.
**As mentioned, it seems Kat has been demoted from CAG to leader of [[Blue Squadron]].
**As implied in "Collaborators", Helo keeps the XO slot aboard ''Galactica'' for now.
**Gaeta appears to have inherited Baltar's mantle as the scientific advisor (it is unclear whether he holds any additional positions), and is focusing his efforts on refining a course for Earth.
**Cally Tyrol is shown working the flight deck alongside her husband, showing that she is once again active in the Fleet.
*Following her actions during the Battle of New Caprica, Sharon Agathon seems to have garnered some degree of acceptance among the ''Galactica'' air group.
*"Athena" is the name of [[Athena (TOS)|Adama's daughter]] in the original series. This may be an allusion to the changing relationships on ''Galactica'': Sharon Agathon has replaced Kara Thrace as William Adama's surrogate daughter. (He tells Thrace, "You were like a daughter to me once. No more.") As Hot Dog states, Athena is also the name of a [[Athena, Lord of Kobol|Lord of Kobol]].
*The baseship hybrid appears to be viewed by the Cylons in the same way as the Centurions and Raiders. The Hybrid has no vote in the Cylon decision-making process, despite its ability to express its thoughts and feelings, after a fashion.
*The Cylons have a [[Raptor]] and [[flight suit]] at their disposal, acquired during the occupation of [[New Caprica]] or from undestroyed Colonial military assets on the [[Twelve Colonies]]. This raises the possibility that the Cylons may have other Colonial ships in their possession.

==Notes==
*According to an [http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/4175/58/ interview] with executive producer [[David Eick]], episodes 5 and 6 are a two-part story in which ''Galactica'' discovers a dying Cylon Baseship, and deals with a plague that has befallen the Cylons. (Eick is counting "Occupation" and "Precipice" as one episode.)
*The phrase "end of line," uttered by the [[Hybrid|Cylon hybrid]] in this episode, is a possible reference to the film ''[[w:Tron (film)|Tron]]'', in which the [[w:Master Control Program (Tron)|Master Control Program]] finishes its sentences with "end of line."
**This may also be a play on the episode title. ''Torn'' is an anagram of ''Tron''.
**[[w:End_of_Line|End of line]] is also a computing term, referring to the character used to signal a new line in text-based protocols.
* In the PC game ''[[w:Homeworld|Homeworld]]'', [[Wikipedia:Karan S'jet|Karan S'jet]], a young female neuroscientist, integrates her physical body into the mothership to serve as its living CPU. This is similar to the function of the Cylon Hybrid. (Although S'jet chose to do so voluntarily, and it is unlikely, from comments by [[Three]], that the Hybrids were given a choice) . The backstory to the game's sequel ''[[w:Homeworld 2|Homeworld 2]]'' descibes S'jet as undergoing a similar metaphysical experience while integrated with the mothership as Caprica-Six describes of the Hybrid.
* The idea of using living creatures as central processing units of large ships has been visited before in both literary and filmed science fiction. For example the pilots in ''[[w:Dune|Dune]]'' serve a similar function while under the influence of the Spice. In Norman Spinrad's novel "The Void Captain's Tale", some women become pilots because they believe to achieve a better insight into god's creation, thus having a spiritual experience. This is similar to Leoben's beliefs about the Hybrids. Recent television series with living CPUs include ''[[w:Babylon 5|Babylon 5]]'', with human telepaths in the [[w:Shadow (Babylon 5)|Shadow]] vessels, and ''[[w:Farscape|Farscape's]]'' Pilot, though in the latter case, Pilot is more like a conduit between the crew and a sentient ship in its own right.
** The idea of a living being serving as CPU for a space vessel is explored, in detail and from the ship's perspective, in Anne McCaffrey's [[w:The Ship Who Sang|Ship Who...]] series of novels and short stories. The first of these was published in 1961 and way well be the inspiration for the other examples cited above.
*According to the podcast for the episode, the Hybrid's visual look was inspired by the precogs in ''[[w:Minority Report|Minority Report]]''.
*The name of the director, [[Jean de Segonzac]], was misspelled in the onscreen credits. He was listed as Jean de Segoznac.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''On Galactica's flight deck'':
:'''Chief Tyrol''': (checking Starbuck's Viper) Captain, how did you land this thing?
:'''Kara Thrace''': Pointed it towards the deck and stopped when I got here.
:'''Hot Dog''': Bone-dry, she says. Landed the bird without a drop of fuel.
:'''Lee Adama''': (walking up to Kara) If you want to die, I will open up an airlock for you, but you are not taking one of my Vipers with you.
:'''Kara Thrace''': The bird's on the deck. ''I'm'' on the deck. I don't know what you're bitching about.
:'''Lee Adama''': I don't give a frak what you do, Starbuck. You're done flying.

*''In the rec room on Galactica'':
:'''Helo''': (referring to the rescue on New Caprica) Hey, we all made sacrifices.
:'''Saul Tigh''': Is that so?
:'''Helo''': Yes, that's right.
:'''Saul Tigh''': Well, while you were pinning wings on your Cylon girlfriend, our people were strapping homemade bombs to their chest, doing what they could to take the bastards out. So forgive me if I don't get all misty over your sacrifices.

*''Adama's feelings towards, and regarding, Starbuck'':
:'''Adama''': You were like a daughter to me once - no more. You're malcontent and a cancer, and I won't have you on my ship. So you have a choice - you can figure out how to become a human being again, and an officer; or you can find another place to live, off of this ship. You're dismissed.

*''The Hybrid's objection to leaving the infected Basestar behind'':
:'''Hybrid''': Mists of dreams drip along the nascent echo, and love no more. End of line.

*''When discovering the dying basestar'':
:'''Athena''': When God's anger awakens even the mighty shall fall.

== Guest Stars ==

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Downloaded

2006-11-10T01:07:24Z

123home123: /* Notes */ Corrected spelling of Ithaca, NY

{{Episode Data
| image = Cylon_resurrection.jpg
| title= Downloaded
| season= 2
| episode= 18
| guests= [[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| goof= Y
| director= [[Jeff Woolnough]]
| production= 218
| rating= 1.8
| US airdate= 2006-02-24
| UK airdate= 2006-05-02
| dvd= {{Season 2.5 NTSC DVD release date}} '''US''' {{Season 2 PAL DVD release date}} '''UK'''
| population= 49,579
| prev= [[The Captain's Hand]]
| next= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I]]
| podcast=Y
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== Overview ==
: ''[[Cylons (RDM)|Cylon]] society is revealed when a [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Cylon's consciousness]] is downloaded into a new body following her death. The conquerors of occupied [[Caprica]] hail two "heroes of the Cylon," who both resist their new celebrity status.''

== Summary ==

===On Caprica===
*Episode begins with a flashback to "Nine months ago - Caprica" showing [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]]'s house being destroyed in the [[Miniseries]]. The copy of Number Six who had a relationship with Baltar dies... and then we follow from her point of view as her consciousness is downloaded and reborn into another body in a [[Cylon rebirthing tank]]. She fell so deeply in love with Gaius Baltar that ''she'' starts having hallucinations of ''Baltar'', because the emotional impact of falling in love affected her so much. We then cut to "Ten weeks later" on ''Galactica'' when [[Cally]] shoots [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Galactica-Sharon]]... and follow from her point of view as she is downloaded (no doubt aided by the [[Resurrection Ship]] at the time) and wakes up totally disoriented in a new body in another rebirthing vat. A copy of the same model of Cylon known to humans as [[D'anna Biers]] tells her she'll be fine, but upon seeing another Sharon-model, Galactica-Sharon starts screaming uncontrollably.
*On Caprica in the present day, the Cylons are rebuilding [[Delphi]] for their own use, even making gardens. A D'anna-copy sits down to talk with the Number Six copy that seduced Baltar. She has never told anyone that she fell truly in love with Baltar, and to this day hallucinates him as a result, because she thinks the others would destroy her for being defective. The D'anna-copy asks if she will go and see another Cylon who was recently downloaded into a new body, and is still having trouble adapting: ''Galactica''-Sharon, who is also something of a celebrity and war hero for her acts of sabotage and attempted assassintation on Adama. She points out that she even still calls herself "Sharon". She warns that if she cannot be fixed, there is talk of "[[boxing]]" her: putting her consciousness in cold storage and never loading it into a new body again.
*This copy of Number Six is considered a war-hero; she was personally responsible for gaining the information that allowed the near-total sabotage of the Colonial Fleet, and has actually become something of a celebrity to the Cylons. They even refer to her specifically as "'''Caprica-Six'''".
*In a short conversation while walking to ''Galactica''-Sharon's old apartment (which she moved back into), the D'anna-copy quickly lists off the Numbers of several Cylon models: "[[D'anna Biers]]" is '''[[Number Three]]''', "[[Aaron Doral]]" is '''[[Number Five]]''', and "[[Sharon Valerii]]" is '''[[Number Eight]]'''.
*Caprica-Six goes to ''Galactica''-Sharon's apartment, where she proclaims that she doesn't believe in the Cylon God or his "love" and that the only real love she had was with the ''Galactica'' crew. She expresses intense guilt at betraying them. Caprica-Six starts to manipulate her by trying to empathize with her, saying that she loved a man too — Gaius Baltar. Startled, ''Galactica''-Sharon says that Baltar is not dead, but is the new Vice President of the Colonies, on board ''Galactica''.
*Moving their conversation to a cafe on the ground floor of Sharon's apartment, Caprica-Six and Sharon wonder why Number Three never told Caprica-Six that Baltar was alive. Caprica-Six (through conversation with her hallucinated Baltar) realizes that Number Three manipulated her. Sending her to Sharon, and letting her find out that the man she loved was alive, might make her go crazy. Number Three could then use this as an excuse to have them ''both'' boxed.
*Meanwhile, [[Samuel Anders]] and two other members of the human [[Caprica Resistance]] are planning to plant a bomb in the garage underneath the cafe, and blow it up. They know the Cylons will all just download into other bodies, but Anders points out that from Caprica-Sharon, they know that Cylons remember dying, and it must be horrifically painful — they're going to show them that nowhere is safe, and they should leave Caprica if they want to stop painfully dying and being reborn over and over again.
*Number Three shows up at the cafe, and asks how things are doing. Having realized her plan, Caprica-Six lies and says emphatically that Galactica-Sharon will move out of her apartment and start adapting back to Cylon life. Galactica-Sharon takes the hint and goes along with the lie. Disappointed, Number Three offers to help her move out right now, and they leave the cafe and start going up the stairs to Sharon's apartment.
*The resistance members set up the bomb and all but Anders leave, but just before he can get out a Cylon Centurion starts snooping around, and he can't get back to the exit. It sees the bomb and Anders shoots it then ducks behind a car as the bomb goes off.
*All three Cylons survived the blast, because the stairwell protected them on the higher floor. Caprica-Six is buried under some rubble, and Number Three insists that she is dead and they should leave her (subtly trying to kill her so Three can have her boxed). However, Caprica-Six then moves and asks for help and they uncover her. Her knee is dislocated, and Three again suggests that it would be easier, if Six wants, to just kill her so she'll be reborn. Realizing Three is trying to have her boxed, she insists on not doing that.
*They see someone else moving around under some rubble, and Number Three clears it off only to find that it is Anders. She takes his gun away and prepares to kill him, but Galactica-Sharon protests. Caprica-Six agrees, but to avoid suspicion from Number Three, claims pragmatically that they shouldn't kill him to he can be interrogated. Sharon sees that he has Starbuck's dogtags, and Number Three explains that she was on the planet a few weeks ago. Sharon realizes he's someone important to her.
*Number Three cruelly toys with Anders, putting his gun on the ground and daring him to take it. Sharon tells her to stop, and Number Three retorts that Sharon is a broken machine that thinks she's human, but she's not. Sharon says that at least she has a conscience, and Number Three says she's a murderer. Caprica-Six realizes that's exactly what the Cylons have been doing: murder and the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|genocide of the human race]] cannot be the [[Cylon Religion|path of their loving God]].
*Caprica-Six realizes why Number Three wanted her and ''Galactica''-Sharon boxed: they are celebrities in a culture based on unity. Three realized that based on their love of two human beings, they have different perspective on the War, and due to their celebrity status as Cylon heroes they could actually cause a change in the way many other Cylons think about their conflict with the humans, upsetting the ''status quo'' which Number Three upholds.
*Number Three says they've been corrupted by their experiences, and are a waste. Caprica-Six explains to Sharon that that is why Three wanted to get rid of them: because both of them now know the murder, vengeance, and genocide are sins in the eyes of God, and Sharon realizes that letting them tell the other Cylons this would make them all consider that the slaughter of mankind was a mistake.
*The rubble of the building shifts as Cylons outside are trying to clear their way to the survivors inside, and Anders makes a run for it and grabs his gun, shooting at Number Three before Galactica-Sharon knocks the gun out of his hands... which then lands near Number Three, who takes the gun. She stands up and just as Number Three is about to execute Anders, Caprica-Six hits her over the head with a large rock of stone from the rubble, then bashes it into her head again, killing her.
*Caprica-Six tells Anders to leave, and gives him back Starbuck's dogtags. Galactica-Sharon gives him back his gun as he leaves. Six realizes that with all of the Cylons dead in the cafe, it should be at least 36 hours before Number Three gets resurrected and tells the others what happened.
*Caprica-Six tells Galactica-Sharon that this is enough time to start changing things, start a new beginning for the Cylons: A way to live in God's love, without hate or lies. Together, these two Heroes of the Cylons can show them the way. Sharon says that she is with her, and they are dug out of the ruins of the building.

===On ''Galactica''===
*[[Sharon Valerii (Caprica copy)|Caprica-Sharon]] has gone into labor; she passed out and her placenta detached, and Dr. [[Cottle]] delivers the baby by C-section. It is premature and its lungs aren't fully developed as a result, so it has to be put in an oxygen-incubator. As Caprica-Sharon predicted, it is a girl. Helo and Caprica-Sharon adore it together, and name her "[[Hera]]".
*Meanwhile, President [[Roslin]], Baltar, [[William Adama|Admiral Adama]], and Col. [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] debate what to do with it. Baltar points out that it is half-human. Adama realizes the Cylons want it, and that the Cylons still hiding in the Fleet will try to make a move for it if they know about it.
*President Roslin has decided to hide Hera to protect her, so she has Cottle convince Helo and Caprica-Sharon that their baby has died (using a fake). Caprica-Sharon goes into hysterics and nearly chokes Cottle before breaking down, sobbing.
*In fact, Roslin has given her to a woman named [[Maya]], who lost her baby in the Cylon attack. Maya adopts Hera, thinking she is a normal human child from a Pegasus officer.
*Helo, helped by Chief Tyrol, spreads the "ashes" of Hera (actually faked) out the back of a Raptor into open space.
*Number Six is devastated that Baltar "let" this happen and could not protect "their baby", though he says he did all he could. Number Six says that God's will was that Hera survive, that God's will was that "she would lead the next generation of God's children". In a rage, she says that Gaius has committed a sin, and his entire race will suffer God's vengeance.

== Questions ==
*What will Number Three do when she is re-embodied? ([[Precipice|Answer]])
*Who is Number One?
*Were the Cylon Model numbers revealed so far (Three (D'Anna), Five (Doral), Six, Eight (Boomer)) numbered at random, or was there some underlying reason to why they were each assigned these specific numbers by the writers?
**From [[Ron Moore]]'s blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]:
::"Number Six was specifically a homage to "[[Wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]]," but the rest were assigned their numbers randomly.
*Based on reports of Lucy Lawless being asked if she wanted to "be God" and her current command behavior, could Number Three be based on a [[Iblis|Count Iblis]] type character?
**No. Number Three is just a physical Cylon which will ''claim'' to be a God, Count Iblis was actually a metaphysical being.
**Ron D. Moore has also stated in [[Iblis#In the Re-Imagined Series|interviews]] that he does not intend to bring a Count Iblis character onto the Re-Imagined Series at this time.
* What model numbers are "[[Simon]]" and "[[Leoben Conoy]]" ?
**Based on the assumption that model number corresponds with apparent age per the analysis below, Leoben Conoy — whose age is close to that of D'anna Biers — is probably Number Two or Number Four, while Simon is likely either Number Four or Number Seven.
* Based on information mentioned in the Analysis, could the Cylons be patterning a [[Wikipedia: gerontocracy|gerontocratic]] form of leadership structure?
*Given that Baltar's home was destroyed and Caprica-Six "died" in a nuclear explosion, how did Baltar survive?
**In the [[Miniseries]] novelization, this is expanded upon; his house wasn't entirely destroyed (that is, not reduced to pebbles) and when Caprica-Six blocked the blast with her body it shielded him enough; he was thrown through the house against a wall and slightly hurt but did not die. (Note that novelizations are not typically considered [[canon]]ical.)
***You only see shock wave (ie a force) destroying the house, rather than nuclear fall out of any sort. Given the gap between the flash and shock wave (and Baltar's survival), the distance from detonation probable was far enough that he was not engulfed by the fireball (one would presume a remote house over a lake is not considered a target).
*We see Tyrol accompanying Helo to his and Sharon's daughter's "funeral", but who exactly was he there in support of, Helo or Sharon?
**The easy answer is "both", but it seems likely that his presence was there more on Helo's behalf. Having been effectively marginalized in Sharon's eyes ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]"), and his later fears of being a Cylon, his feelings for her are probably on the downswing.
* This episode raises new questions about the nature of Baltar-Six. Is she (merely) a projection from Baltar's subconscious mind, has she somehow been implanted into his psyche by the Cylons, or is she actually an angel (as she claims) or a demoness (as befits her personality)? It has already been established by the brainscan performed by Dr. Cottle that there is no cybernetic implant in Baltar's brain, at least none that is detectable by human technology. Also, in Ron Moore's podcast he seems to indicate that she is no more than a hallucination, produced by Baltar's subconsciousness. Her actions, however, do seem to be aimed at advancing a Cylon agenda.
**Is it possible that in shielding Baltar from that blast, parts of each other's consciousness got imprinted on one another? That would not show in a scan, and would help explain why she has an imaginary Baltar.
**It is perhaps interesting to note that Baltar's Six is subtly different in personality from the actual Six that he knew, while Six's Baltar is different in personality than the actual Baltar. This suggests that Six's Baltar is based upon her own perception of Baltar more than the man himself, and vice versa.
* Does death hold any meaning to the Cylons? If they can just be reborn then perhaps they don't truly understand murder and genocide?
**When they can't be resurrected their behavior changes ([[Scar]], [[The Captain's Hand]]), indicating that ''permanent'' death is something they avoid. On board the Pegasus, Gina's desire for death so that she can escape her memories indicates that, for some of them at least, they have some concept of death that coincides with the human understanding of it.

== Analysis ==
*Interestingly, the Baltar in Caprica-Six's head seems to be rather sharper-tongued, more cynical, and more harshly moralistic than the actual Baltar.
*In the Miniseries, Leoben claimed to Adama that Cylons were superior to primitive humans, who were only "one step above beating each other to death with clubs". Ironically, Caprica-Six savagely beat Number Three to death "primitively" with a rock.
*Apparently the documentary broadcast from [[the Fleet]] in "[[Final Cut]]" was not made widely available, since if Caprica-Six had seen it, she would have already known about Baltar's survival.
*In the scene where ''Galactica''-Sharon is downloaded into her new body, when another Sharon smiles and says "we love you Sharon", this mirrors how another Sharon said the same thing to her on the basestar in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]", at which point she also freaked out.
*There does not appear to be any pattern to the numbering scheme of the 12 Cylon models: Three (D'anna), Five (Doral), Six (Shelley Godfrey/Gina), Eight (Sharon), i.e. not all females are an even number, males an odd number.
**However, these models do seem to get progressively younger the higher (perhaps, "most recent") their Number is: Three is eldest and has the number closest to one, while Eight is youngest and has the highest number out of these four. The older models also tend to have more authority.
**Following that pattern, would Numbers Nine through Twelve be modeled after teenagers or children?
*Cylon society on Caprica appears to consist of mostly mimicking human behavior — clothing, apartments, cafés, parks for relaxation, etc. In essence, the Cylons are merely trying to be what they have just exterminated — humans.
**They have established previously that they consider humans to be more "real" and closer to God than they are ("this form brings us closer to God..."); they think that humans are more "real" and that if they wish to be real, they should adopt ''some'' aspects of what humanity is, but this doesn't necessarily stop them from being quite different from humanity.
*Cylons appear to lead asexual lives — no Cylon "couples" were observed, or even any obvious signs of friendship between Cylons. While frequently talking about, and concerned with, love, Cylons are celibate except when interacting with humans.
**There really isn't any evidence that cylons don't have sex with each other. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. This would be like walking in to a Starbucks and because you don't see anyone kissing concluding that humans are asexual beings that don't reproduce.
***Sharon said in "[[The Farm]]" that Cylons have tried reproducing on their own, but failed, so then experimented with human-Cylon hybridization. This implies that they tried sexual relations between male and female Cylon models. It is unknown whether all such activities stopped once it became clear it was a literally fruitless effort, or how Cylon society would feel about such behavior.
*As Caprica-Six and ''Galactica''-Sharon pointed out, the Cylons' claim that they are superior to humans because humans still kill because of greed and jealousy, etc. is hypocritical. They point out the logical disconnect of conducting genocide and murder in the name of an all-loving God. Further, Number Three's plan to "box" Caprica-Six and ''Galactica''-Sharon, which would ''in effect'' be murdering them, also makes her a murderer like the humans she claims to be better than.
*At various points in the series, Baltar's internal Number Six has been seen manipulating physical objects: a test-tube in "[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]", a chair in "[[Home, Part II]]", etc., which has led to the question of whether this is a continuity error, or if she is more real than she claims to be. In this episode, we seem to get an answer to this: Caprica-Six's hallucinatory Baltar makes a drink while in ''Galactica''-Boomer's apartment and hands it to her...only for the camera to shift angles, the hallucination-Baltar to be gone, and to show that Caprica-Six is actually grasping at air. Thus it can be inferred that this is just a stylistic choice by the production team: whenever Number Six ''appears'' to be manipulating a physical object on ''Galactica'', Baltar is hallucinating that she is doing this, and the camera is showing things that aren't "really" happening, from Baltar's perspective.
*The Cylons did not expect their initial attack to be anywhere near as successful as it was. This would explain the apparently large number of Cylon military vessels showing up everywhere as the Cylons expected to fight a more protracted war against a larger surviving human military force.
**That the Cylons felt it so necessary to sabotage the Colonial Fleet through Caprica-Six implies that they felt attacking without that advantage would have at best cost them many ships, and at worst resulted in defeat. The placing of the backdoor in the [[CNP]] was high risk; if the Colonials had discovered it before the Cylons attacked, they would have been forewarned of the coming assault, and could even have surprised the Cylons by acting as if they were unaware of the problem while secretly disabling the backdoor on all military spacecraft.
***This is reinforced by the sheer amount of damage that Battlestars have proven capable of doing to even Base Stars ("[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]", "[[The Captain's Hand]], [[Exodus, Part II]]").
*Hera's being hidden away soon after her birth in order to protect her fits her messiah-status, as other messiah figures have often also been hidden after their birth in similar fashion, such as [[Wikipedia:Jesus|Jesus]], [[Wikipedia:Moses|Moses]], [[Wikipedia:Harry Potter|Harry Potter]], [[Wikipedia:Superman|Superman]], [[Wikipedia:Aragorn|Aragorn]], [[Wikipedia:Luke Skywalker|Luke Skywalker]], etc.
**This is also a common theme with tragic characters such as [[Wikipedia:Oedipus|Oedipus]], [[Wikipedia:Aegisthus|Aegisthus]], and [[Wikipedia:Paris (mythology)|Paris]].
*It's strange that Roslin included Colonel Saul Tigh in the conversation about Hera's fate, but not Commander Lee Adama, who now outranks him.
**It is likely that Commander Lee Adama was busy adjusting to his duties as the new CO of ''Pegasus'' and was briefed separately.
*"At least forty" Cylon agents were killed in the cafe bombing. When Three was killed by Caprica-Six, she said it would take "at least 36 hours" for Three's consciousness to be downloaded to a new body. This implies perhaps a sequential (as opposed to parallel) processing of the download process. Why can't they handle more at the same time? Is it a technical limitation, or perhaps a religious one (i.e. they always try to treat the process with reverence)? That seems kind of inefficient though. In any case, it appears to take a little less than an hour per download assuming sequential downloading.
**It is likely that additional forty downloads exceeds the short term capability of the hardware that was emplaced on Caprica. Resources are not infinite, and the current hardware is most likely what is deemed sufficient for routine work based on normal usage.
**There has to be some kind of buffer system in place to hold the Cylons' consciousnesses in their layover between their physical death and rebirth if a large number of them die all at once.

== Notes ==
*Anders refers to humanoid Cylons as "Skin Jobs" in this episode, another reference to [[Wikipedia:Blade Runner|Blade Runner]] by the Re-Imagined Series (which [[Edward James Olmos]] also co-starred in). The Cylon Centurions are being referred to as "Bullet Heads".
**When episode writer [[Bradley Thompson]] was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#"Skin Jobs"|asked]] by Battlestar Wiki how it was decided to incorporate this referrence into the episode, he said:
:"There was no real "decision" as such. We were writing "Downloaded". [[Jean Barolay|Barolay]] and [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] were on the roof and we needed a quick way to categorize. We remembered the term from Blade Runner and put it in. The drafts went through the usual pathways of approval and nobody shot it down. So now there are skin jobs along with metal jobs, clankers, and bulletheads (that last is credited to [[Gary Hutzel]])."
*The vision of [[Number Six]] that Baltar sees all the time is ''not'' the same person as the woman he was sleeping with on Caprica who used him to lower Colonial defenses: [[Caprica-Six]]'s consciousness was downloaded into a new body. Chip-Six might be a duplicate, or something else.
*Apollo and Starbuck do not appear in this episode. This is the first episode of the season in which Apollo has not appeared, and the third episode of the season in which Starbuck has not appeared (after "[[Fragged]]" and "[[Black Market]]").
**In the first season, Apollo did not appear in "[[Litmus]]".
**As of this episode, the only characters that have appeared in every episode of the Re-Imagined Series are President [[Laura Roslin]], Admiral [[William Adama]], and Colonel [[Saul Tigh]]. Michael Hogan (Col. Tigh) is actually not one of the seven "regular" cast members, but he has still been in every episode to date.
*[[Rick Worthy]] ([[Simon]]) and [[Callum Keith Rennie]] ([[Leoben Conoy]]) do not actually appear in this episode. In several brief shots, body doubles dressed as their characters are seen from behind or in the distance, but these actors did not return for the episode.
*We learn a lot of Cylon names in this episode: out of the twelve models of [[Cylon agent|humanoid Cylons]], besides the already-known "[[Number Six]]", the one who posed as human reporter "[[D'anna Biers]]" is model '''Number Three''', the one who posed as PR representative "[[Aaron Doral]]" is model '''Number Five''', and the one who infiltrated ''Galactica'' posing as the pilot "Sharon 'Boomer' Valerii" is model '''Number Eight'''.
*A longstanding question has been answered: What do the Cylons call each other amongst themselves? They actually don't use the names of any human personas they might have infiltrated the Colonies with. "Number Six" is actually called "Number Six" in dialog for the first time in this episode (in the [[Miniseries]], we were left with the cryptic "There are twelve models, I am number six"). It is revealed that Cylons just call and think of themselves as "Number Three" or "Three", etc. It was speculated that individual copies might be distinguished by using a serial number or other ID, but apparently Cylon society is based so much on the idea of unity and lack of individuality that they simply ''do not have'' designations for individual units. When Number Three refers to ''Galactica''-Sharon, she just refers to her as "an Eight", etc. "Caprica-Six" is a makeshift nickname that was made up for the individual "celebrity" Number Six (probably because the Cylons had never developed a formal convention for naming individual units). Caprica-Six is sometimes called "Caprica" for short.
*This gets a little confusing, because even though all of the Number Six copies on Caprica look identical and many (though not all) wear the same outifit as Caprica-Six, Cylon agents that Caprica-Six walks by still recognize who she is.
*"Caprica-Six" appears to be a take on the ''ad hoc'' naming convention developed by fans for telling the different Cylon copies apart: review sites and message boards over time started distinguishing the copy of Boomer on ''Galactica'' and the copy of Boomer on Caprica as "''Galactica''-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" for convenience. This loosely developed system then spread to other Cylons as they appeared ("[[Gina|''Pegasus''-Six]]", "Caprica-Doral", "Caprica-D'anna", etc.), though it isn't based on any official material (Battlestar Wiki eventually adopted these terms of convenience as well). When Number Three remarks to "Caprica-Six" that her nickname is a little funny, because she's only one of hundreds of copies of "Number Six" on Caprica, this might be a small joke by the writers at the expense of fans.
*Sharon showed difficulty in performing chin ups, but later showed no problem in moving pieces of concrete weighing at least 100 pounds.
**She could have just been angry, and not actually appearing strained because it was physically hard.
**One of the consistent features of both ''Galactica''-Sharon and Caprica-Sharon has been the conflict between her "natural" Cylon Number Eight personality and her human Sharon personality. While probably intended that the two personalities should remain separate, with the Number Eight personality primary, it never worked out that way. In "[[Water]]", for example, Sharon reasserts herself before Number Eight can finish planting the charges. At this point, both ''Galactica''-Sharon/Eight and Caprica-Sharon/Eight have their personalities all jumbled up, with the Sharon personality exerting the stronger influence but retaining knowledge of being a Cylon and being Number Eight. Anyway: the Sharon "code" would have to include imposed limitations on what she believes her own strength and physical abilities to be, or she'd be found out much, much more easily. Inconsistencies in her apparent physical abilities can therefore be explained along with inconsistencies of her mixed but not really integrated personalities.
**Cylon agents most likely have something similar to adrenaline, given that they would need to in order to pass as humans. Their greater physical abilities could be, partly, attributed to a greater ability to control their adrenaline.
*Number Three appears to have some command functions based on her actions and behavior. These apparently include determining final disposition of other Cylon personalities.
*Lucy Lawless once again uses her native New Zealand accent for [[D'anna Biers]], even though at the end of "[[Final Cut#notes|Final Cut]]" it was implied that her character normally doesn't.
*Galactica-Sharon's old apartment number on Caprica was "502"
*Much of the dialog in the episode recap is entirely new, and dubbed in to better summarize the segment.
*According to RDM's podcast, there was an entire subplot in this episode in which Lucy Lawless's character "D'anna Biers" would interview President Roslin about rumors that the pregnant Cylon prisoner's baby had been born. Then "''Galactica''-Three" would try to kidnap the baby off of ''Galactica'' in collusion with [[Gina]] (''Pegasus''-Six). The subplot was cut for time (they wanted to spend more time focusing on events on Caprica), and also because they felt it made the episode very confusing; cutting between many different Cylon copies both on Caprica and ''Galactica''. These scenes were filmed then cut; they are provided as [[List of Deleted Scenes (RDM)#Downloaded|deleted scenes]] on the [[Season 2.5 DVD]] sets.
*Sharon has a pair of hand carved, wood or stone, decorative elephants in her apartment. Caprica-Six asks her if they are from "[[Ithaca]]", which on Earth is an island off the coast of Greece and is the home of Odysseus in Homer's [[Wikipedia:Odyssey|Odyssey]]. She states that they were a gift from her mother for her graduation.
** RDM went to Cornell, which is in Ithaca, NY. This is most likely the source of this name.
*[[Caprica-Six]] assumed residence on Caprica two years prior to the cylon attack, which matches both the beginning of her relationship with Baltar ([[Miniseries]]) and the date that [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)]] was assigned to ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'' ([[The Farm]]).
*There are three cars in the underground garage. One clearly visible is a Citroën DS. When the Cylon enters the garage, the car on the right appears to be a Rover P6. The car on the left with a central headlamp appears to be a 1930s Tatra 87.
** The license plate on the front of the car crushed in Anders' bomb attack reads '''SEXYMOM''', and has a "Go C-Bucs" bumper sticker (for the [[Caprica Buccaneers]], the core of Ander's resistance group).
* Whenever Baltar's internal (possibly hallucinatory) Number Six appears on ''Galactica'' during the series, Number Six's distinct soundtrack theme is played (plunking staccato notes on a xylophone, accompanied by violins). There is a subtle twist on this for this episode with Caprica-Six's internal Baltar (who is definitely a hallucination): whenever Six's hallucinatory Baltar appears, the normal "Number Six theme" is played ''in reverse''. The xylophone notes are played in reverse order, though the violin overlay is still played "forwards".
*Different music plays during the two downloads at the beginning of the episode. A variation on the "Number Six theme" is heard during Caprica'-Six's flashbacks, while Boomer's flashbacks are accompanied by a more militaristic tune.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Caprica-Sharon has gone into premature labor with her Hybrid baby:''
:'''Cottle:''' I find it absolutely amazing you people went to all the trouble to appear human, and didn't upgrade the plumbing.

*''"Caprica-Six" and a [[Number Three]]-copy walk past a crowd of other Cylons of various models, and they all keep turning their heads to look at Caprica-Six:''
:'''Caprica-Six:''' I still can't get used to this.
:'''Three:''' Well you're a Hero of the Cylon now. You're our first celebrity!
:'''Caprica-Six:''' Oh, I'm just another Six.
:'''Three:''' You're too modest. I'm just another Three... and they're Fives (motions at a Doral-model)... and Eights (motions at a Sharon-model). But you, everyone calls you "Caprica-Six"... like you're the only Six on the planet!

*''President Roslin, Baltar, Admiral Adama and Col. Tigh discuss what to do with the Hybrid baby:''
:'''Roslin:''' If [[Hera|the baby]] does survive, the question is — what do we do with it?
:'''Baltar:''' Do? What are you suggesting? That we throw it out of an airlock?
:'''Roslin:''' I don't make suggestions Mr. Baltar, if I want to toss a baby out of an airlock, I'd say so.

*''[[Number Three]] prepares to execute [[Samuel Anders]]:''
:'''Three:''' Humans don't respect life the way we do. (loads pistol)

*''Anders' gun is knocked out of his hands, and it miraculously lands near Number Three, who picks it up, stands over Anders and gets ready to execute him:''
:'''Number Three''': God loves me. (Caprica-Six pops up behind Number Three and bashes her over the head with a big rock of debris)
:'''Caprica-Six''': See you again soon! (Caprica-Six bashes her head with the rock a second time, killing her current body, while her consciousness will soon download into another)

*''[[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] picks up a photograph of the ''Galactica'' crew to make a point to Caprica-Six about love:''
:"''This'' is love. These people love me. I love them. I didn't pretend to feel something so I could screw people over. I loved them. And then I betrayed them! I shot a man I love, screwed over another man, ruined his life, and why? Because I'm a lying machine! I'm a frakking Cylon!"

*''Caprica-Six's internal Baltar recites verse''
:Life is short, but the next one's not
:Let your heart adrift, and your soul will get caught
:Believe the lies, ignore the truth
:Listen to me, I will show you the proof.
:Speak from your heart: say the things you know to be true

== Official Statements ==
*David Eick's video blog shows the crew preparation for filming the Cylon rebirthing scene for this episode.

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[imdb:nm0636244|Kerry Norton]] as Paramedic [[Layne Ishay]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*[[imdb:nm1569714|Erica Cerra]] as [[Maya]]
*[[imdb:nm1052369|Diego Diablo Del Mar]] as [[Hillard]]

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== Who's the Mop Guy? ==

Hi there. We have a humorous article dedicated to our administrators: [[Mop Boy]]. We have a screencap of a ''Galactica'' crewman who is mopping the floor in the documentary of "[[Final Cut]]" (which, metaphorically, is what admins do). Did that character have a name? If not, can you give him an unofficial one? "The Unknown Mopper" is the administrator's patron saint. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:40, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::I'll ask Mark to give him a name when I get back to LA - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:56, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hamish "Skulls" McCall ==
Hello Mr. Bradley, is there a rank available for Hamish "Skulls" McCall? Is he Ensign, Lieutenant JG, or Lieutenant? I imagine that he's not anything higher. Also, is he Racetrack's ECO or Co-Pilot? Somebody was calling him a co-pilot and I didn't know if maybe he was a converted Raptor pilot because of ECO shortages or something like that but I figured I'd ask. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 23:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::Hi, Straycat. I have no official rank on Skulls -- you'll have to look at his pips. Skulls is currently an ECO, but all ECO's are cross-trained with piloting skills. Attrition has forced some (such as Racetrack and Helo) to assume pilot in command duties more than once. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:21, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Apollo's pilot wings ==

Is there a particular reason why Apollo is wearing junior wings in Season 3 while he's wearing senior wings in "The Captain's Hand" (I think) and LDYB? Personally I prefer that the wings signify actual piloting experience and aren't just awarded together with becoming Major or Colonel. But aside from it being a possible error, there might be some in-universe reason for the change. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::Lee's promotion to Major in Captain's Hand brought with it the senior pilot rank badges, as he started out as a pilot and the skill level that got him the Major's rank also warranted the new wings. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:24, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::So why did he lose them in Season 3 then? Other senior officers still have theirs despite not being active pilots anymore. Like Cain, Adama or Tigh --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:29, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Good question. You'll have to scare up somebody in costume to track that. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Colonial Calendar ==

In Precipice when Baltar is singning the death varent. There is clearly seen '''SIGNED THIS SECOND DAY OF 3454-91''' over his signature.

Does it mean '''Tuesday (second day), 91st day of year 3454 after The Exodus from Kobol?'''

[http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6017/bscap0000uo3.jpg Screencap] --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 14:17, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

: It all depends on when the week starts. A week can start on either Sunday or Monday -- and there has been absolutely no evidence that they use those names to denote days of a week. There are also too many variables to determine whether or not it has been 3454 years since The Exodus from Kobol. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:01, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, that's why am I asking Mr. Thmpson. "91" can also mean 91st week of year... --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 15:14, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::: 91st week of the year? This doesn't compute, given it's been pretty much established repeatedly that the Colonial time or calendar is really no different than the Gregorian calendar or the 24-hour system we use on this spec of dust. :-) For comparison, there are only 52 weeks in a standard Earth year. Also, it has been previously established that the exodus occured 2,000 years ago; so the Exodus is discounted as being "Year 1" in the Colonial calendar. However, any answers that Mr. Thompson can provide in this regard would doubtless be appreciated. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:Interesting find. Maybe it's some weird Cylon way of timekeeping --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:54, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::::For that matter, is Mars Day a holiday or a day of the week? The days of the week on Earth are named after gods, Norse gods in English and Roman gods in Italic languages. ex. English: Tuesday, named for the Norse war god Tyr; French: Mardi, named for the Roman war god Mars. English: Friday, named for the Norse love goddess Freya; French: Vendredi, named for the Roman love goddess Venus. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Scriptural Reference ==
Mr. Bradley, was it intended that Colonel Tigh was making a scriptural reference to the colonial scriptures when he said: "Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the garden of paradise sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. Surprised you didn't know that." This feels and sounds very like he is refering to some 'Colonial Bible' and the expressions on Tyrol's and Anders' faces give me that sense? Was that the intent from the writers room with that saying? Gotta say that I loved some of the dialog in Occuprice and can't wait till it comes out on iTunes.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:24, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::I haven't read all of Colonial scripture, so I can't really speak to that. But it wouldn't surprise me if Saul Tigh did read the scriptures at some point in his life. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 23:16, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== We know what the cast looks like.. ==

But we have very few pictures of the [[:Category:Crew|Crew]]. Any chance you can round up a digital camera and do a group and individual photos? :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:24, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Nope. I already got a message from TPTB that there will be no unofficial photos coming from this source. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:27, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::: TPTB? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:15, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: The Powers that Be. I imagine its more or less for privacy and confidentiality reasons. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:22, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::::: Roger. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:25, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:We have a few crew pictures, but I can't ID them. [[:md:Category:Seeking Official Information]]
::Left Image - In the center is Supervising Producer Harvey Frand, who works miracles in Vancouver by making the impossible happen regularly for miniscule budgets. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Center Image - The guy on the left is VFX Supervisor Gary Hutzel, Master of Visual FX. Without him, the ships don't fly, the nukes don't explode. Much of what you love about this show comes out of his brain. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Right Image - is Harvey Frand, whom you met on the left. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:40, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
<gallery>
Image:David Erik, RDM, and Unkown.jpg|I have no clue. David is one the left, RDM on the right, and Center...well is the Question :)
Image:Edward James Olmos and Unkown.jpg|Dir. of Photography?
Image:Unkown2.jpg|I still have no clue.
</gallery>

== Erica Cerra back [[Exodus, Part I]]? ==

Is she back just for these few episodes or was this another actress or a standin? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:09, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

::It's her. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:54, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Gunnery Sgt Mathias ==

Hi, I was directed to ask these questions here; they were initially posed at the "[[Exodus, Part I]]" [[Talk:Exodus, Part I#Gunnery Sgt Mathias|talk page]].

1. First off, is she one of ''Pegasus''' onboard company? She doesn't look familiar to ''Galactica'', and [[Hadrian]]'s reputedly the seniormost Marine onboard the latter ship. My guess is the former rather than the latter, but it's never stated.
::We often don't state things until there's a compelling reason to state them, such as where Mathias came from or what her story is. It may play into future episodes, but until then, we keep you guessing. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

2. This one ties into 1: considering the above, why is she so (relatively) friendly with Sharon? There might be some leeway if she stood Brig duty and got to know Sharon, but then that would prove contrary to the Hadrian issue, not to mention that it's highly unlikely someone as senior as a Gunnery Sgt would be standing brig duty. OTOH, if she's a Marine from ''Pegasus'', she obviously should have a marked level of disgust about taking orders from a "skinjob". Granted, military professionalism and bearing might play a role in overriding that disgust, but Sharon's nature as a Cylon can't be denied, regardless of what side she's on. Additionally, she may have been posted to brig watch while Sharon was in ''Pegasus''' brig, but again, there's the rank vs. watchstanding issue.

::See what fun you're having? It's been said in drama that one good question is better than a dozen good answers. But you don't make gunnery sergeant without learning to obey the rank, not the person. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

Just a few thoughts that came to mind. Thanks for your time.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:30, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::You're most welcome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:59, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== New episode names ==
Hello Mr. Thompson, we have a couple more "working titles" if you'd care to confirm them as such: Episode 15/16 - Dirty Hands, Episode 16/17 - Maelstrom. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 22:41, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:So far, "Dirty Hands" is the title of Episode 15. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:46, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::BTW, "Download City" is Seelix's slang for wherever Cylons go to get resurrected. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:51, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Darn. Oh well.. i liked the idea of a city. lol. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:14, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:And one "working title" more: Episode 17/18 - The Son Also Rises. Is that correct, Mr. Thompson? -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 16:10, 3 November 2006 (EST)

== Episode Numbering ==
Mr. Thompson, you are counting "Dirty Hands" as the title of episode 15. This means that Occupation and Precipice are the same episode. But Ron in his podcast calls them episodes 3.01 and 3.02 which would make "Dirty Hands" episode 16. What do you guys consider "Occupation/Precipice", a.k.a. "Occuprice", Episodes 1 and 2, Episodes 1 and 1.5 or just episode 1? And then Exodus, Part I is then episode 2 or episode 3? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
: Given [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive05|this original list that Mr. Thompson provided]], he's counting "Occupation" and "Precipice" as episode 1.0 and 1.5 respetively. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:15, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Just to add further clarity, like Joe said the production staff is using the 1.0 and 1.5, and everyone else is not (I think). It was easier for the wiki to go with Precipice as 2.0, because it matches the info at scifi.com and the podcasts. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:19, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

== Why weren't more Colonial factions visible on New Caprica? ==

Over 2 seasons, you've shown us that Colonials aren't the same.
They have different cultures, and internal conflicts.

Going into season 3, I expected to see sharp differences within New-Caprican society:
Different strategies, power-plays, and sophisticated reactions to the Cylon presence.
Instead, we only saw things through the prism of the Tigh-Vs-Baltar conflict.

The popularily-elected Quorum members were nowhere to be seen.
Zarek was completely sidelined.
The religous establishment was hardly seen.
The 'peace movement', who believed in Six's 'unity' platform were unseen/unheard of.
''ETC.''

'''What prevented the writers from playing up inter-Colonial differences?'''

--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 03:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

: I'm going to guess lack of screen time. It can probably be assumed that the extremist colonial groups fell into the respective resist/collaborate camps, with a lot of messiness in the intervening months. The relative quiet of the Cylons' "crap, this isn't working" camp and the ascendency of the "see, told you it wouldn't" camp has many RL examples. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 18:47, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::I agree that there wasn't time, unless you wanted to run four more eps on New Caprica. As for [[Gina]]'s "[[Demand Peace]]" movement, it seems that the bulk, if not all, went up in the radioactive boom along with ''Cloud 9''.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 21:58, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

'''If what you guys say is correct, then doesn't this kill the tapestry of the Colonials?'''
Before this 'occupation' storyline, Roslin faced convincing challenges from the above elements. But now, she's a war hero who won the day. While the others were MIA, or talentless. Who can convincingly mount dissent in Colonial society now? ''Perhaps if they had implied that the quorum was in hiding; that the Geminese held protests; or that the prisoners rioted (ala Bastille Day);..it would maintain that Roslin wasn't the only Colonial leader fighting.'' So I'm wondering if the writers actively wanted to end the internal Colonial conflicts. Unify the fleet, in order to go after Cylons?
--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 00:09, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

== Shaver ==

A few of us at my college, where I go to the BSG parties, are wondering if we can get real working replica of Adama's shaver. Any one we should contact? ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Thats the most odd request for a replica prop i've ever heard :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::We avoid passing on that information as it may be construed as a plug for a product. You used to be able to get them from the big discount houses on Picon. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:49, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Pegasus starboard flight pod ==

In Exodus part 2, when Pegasus comes to Galactica's rescue and flies past the camera firing, a main battery turret can be seen firing from the foreward dorsal surface of the starboard flight-pod. However, there is no corresponding battery on the port flight pod, nor are there any signs of this weapon later, when the starboard pod is seen drifting after Pegasus' death ride into the base-ship. I've also been unable to locate it on any of the other images of the starboard flight-pod I've been able to find. Is the turret an FX goof, or are the flight pods' armaments asymetrical?--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 03:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: There are turrets on the ''Pegasus'' flight pods. They can be seen in "[[The Captain's Hand]]"... I can grab a few screenshots, which I'll add to the ''Pegasus'' article later. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: Here's an image from "Captain's Hand": [[:Image:Pegasus flight pod turret.jpg]]. Is this what you're referring to, Grin Reaper? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:43, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::Negative. I know about those turrets. The one I'm talking about it on the ''top'' of the hangar, not underneath it, and on the leading edge of the flight-pod. [http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2750/pegasus02pv0.jpg here] is a good shot. You can see it firing there, and it looks like it's just about in line with the first spar, but in the [http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6585/pegasus05sa6.jpg shot] of the drifting pod, it isn't there, and there's definately no corresponding weapon on the port pod. {{unsigned|Grin Reaper}}
:Wouldn't the assumption be that it was blown/shorn off sometime before/during the destruction of the Pegasus? --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 08:03, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::I considered that. However, I couldn't see any wreckage or broken plating around where the battery would be on the starboard pod and there is literally ''no'' sign whatsoever of a battery in the same place on the port pod, either in this episode, or any others. Hence the reason I'm asking for clarification here.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 18:07, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

==Charlie Connor / Another name clarification==
The IMDB currently lists [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0730455/ Ryan Robbins] as the character ''Charlie Connor''. Now we know that his last name is [[Connor]] but I was wondering if his first name was fanon (anyone can edit the imdb) or if its actually taken from an official source? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:30, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

::Connor is listed in the Cast section of the script of Collaborators with his given name, Charlie. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:47, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Cheers much :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:10, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest stars in Exodus, Part 2 ==

I was curious about the names of some actors in the episode that weren't credited:

--The Viper pilot with the call sign of Red Wing. Hot Dog talks to him over the wireless as they launch off Galactica over New Caprica.

--The baby who portrayed Hera/Isis.

Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 01:41, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chadwick in "Collaborators" ==

We only saw the character Chadwick in a photo as the Circle debated her fate near the halfway point of the "Collaborators" episode. I was wondering who the actor is. Is the person an actor or is it a friend or relative of one of the production staff? I find these little tidbits interesting. Thanks for any answers on this. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:31, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Exodus, Part II/Archive 1

2006-11-08T04:57:40Z

123home123: /* Guest stars */

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0610/01/index.htm
Click on this link and scroll down to see scenes from the Exodus episodes. My favorite is the last one at the bottom which shows Zarek and Roslin plsticuffed together. Hopefully they'll start to get along soon. --ltcrashdown October 3rd, 2006

== My Prediction ==

And it shouldn't be a big surprise, but I have to state it for the record:

Battlestar ''Pegasus'' makes its last appearance today. I think it will be used to ram a basestar or two to save ''Galactica'', which puts up a good fight but is getting outmatched.
My prediction doesn't come from anything but from the gut, but it should be interesting if it comes true. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:53, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
:I'm hoping that it doesnt get destroyed, seeing as that would kill Lee Adama and far too many other people - if this happened, people would switch off. I'm predicting that it'll save the day at the last second. If you think about it, Lee Adama was ordered to stay behind with the fleet and continue the search for earth. I'm betting that he does the usual thing of going against orders, jumping back anyway at the last second and launches a nuke or two at a basestar.

--[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 17:37, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

Since when does people's opinions become spoiler text? :P --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:05, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

:Spoiler policy is suspended on talk, but sometimes people get bummed to read them here, so it's a courtesy. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 19:58, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

YES! Nailed it! Nailed it! Hail to the king, baby! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:47, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

: Hallowed are the Ori... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:06, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:Wow, Spence. Calling the second one was impressive. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 09:55, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:Damn, Spence. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:13, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

:Can you please email me this saturdays winning lottery numbers. Thanks. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:22, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

::I think I burned all my karma with that one. Might score you a deal on a used Honda, though. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:18, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

== Is this a clue? ==

When Starbuck gets back to Galactica with the kid, and the supposed mother sees it, and latches on, she says either "Gods bless you" or "GOD bless you", and after watching it about 5 times on my TiVo, I'm leaning towards GOD, singular, and perhaps a clue that this lady is not who she claims. I mean, if that really is a hybrid, then it would be valuable enough to pull such a move just to get it out of Colonial hands.

Also, if it weren't for horrible interior design, I'd rather Galactica had been boned, and they all just moved into Pegasus and renamed it Galactia-A or something. If it weren't for the lame bridge, it'd be a much better ship.

: The assumption is reasonable -- however, I believe it is extremely likely that the woman is who she claims to be. Also, given the horrible success rate at Cylon farms, it is likely that Kacey was indeed a ruse to get Thrace to love Conoy. Once Conoy had Thrace's love, their love would lead to the next step. As for the "God" versus "Gods" thing.... also, it's been indicated that the Colonials have varying faiths, and some don't necessarily believe in the Sacred Scrolls, Pythia and all that jazz. Also, it wouldn't be ''Battlestar Galactica'' without ''Galactica''... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 00:01, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
::Not to mention that you have to give Tyrol ''something'' to do on the flightline. Why, if he were on the ''Pegasus'', unable to go spastic about not holding the Vipers together with bubblegum and baling wire, and just could wish another one up from the manufacturing plants aboard the newer ship, who knows how many kids he and Cally might end up with by the time they get to Earth? ^_^--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 01:05, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Tyrol now has a lot more Vipers and Raptors to look after. Poor Cally.....--[[User:Barry|Barry]] 07:44, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:I thought your observation was interesting so I pulled up the episode again and watched that part. Kasey's new mother distinctly says "gods" with a hard, unmistakable "s". [[User:Silsor|Silsor]] 00:24, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
:Plus, why would they introduce a new Cylon so casually? The recent Cylons (Biers, Simon, Cavil) each had complex introductions. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 01:17, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

::Totally said "gods"...first time I heard it...absolutly positive.--[[User:Gallion|Gallion]] 10:18, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Was the actress her real mum, did you see how the kids face lit up smiling when she sees her? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:24, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

== Screencaps Posted ==

[[:md:User:Shane/gallery|Here]]. Enjoy. I surely did. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:51, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:You misspelt "atmosphere" in a couple of them --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:44, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

:I like your screengrabs! Holy cow -- what a great episode; especially the part where Galactica jumps in low and provides that "firing solution" for the team. There was even a cool easter egg -- Did anyone else notice the "Pan Am" logo on the bottom of one of the ships leaving New Caprica? --[[User:Scooper|Scooper]] 10:28, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
::"Easter egg?" Sounds like another case of the Craftsman tool lockers. - [[User:Keithustus|Keithustus]] 11:54, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
::That's probably the [[Pan Galactic]] ship, its been in the fleet all the way back to the Miniseries. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 16:36, 21 October 2006 (CDT)
::The logo is indeed nearly the same, but the name seems to be different. It has more than 5 letters. Maybe "Pan Gal" --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:05, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

== Where does this question go? ==

Earlier today, I posted a question in the Questions section about why the DRADIS displays on both battlestars were inexplicably clear of the nebula's interference, but it was deleted. Is there a more appropriate place for it? --[[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 21:00, 21 October 2006 (EDT)

:Hi, BR. That's a valid question. Before the Cylon fleet discovered New Caprica, Dualla was commenting how hard it was to see anything in the nebula, and they were in orbit. Now, in this episode, both sides appeared to be using DRADIS without issue from the interference. Me senses a [[Continuity errors (RDM)|continuity error]]. You can re-add the question here (note my winded explanation) or add to the continuities article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:40, 21 October 2006 (CDT)

: A bit annoying to have a question posted and suddenly deleted. Might I suggest deleting other editor's questions and comments be expressly prohibited? [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 02:47, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

::Reaching a concenus and corlaberation is the wiki's primary goal. Sometimes authros disagree, so usually once something is removed and someone things it should say, bring it up on the talk page is the proper course of action to dicuss the matter further. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:23, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

== Galactica's atmospheric insertion ==

I haven't been able to double check but I'm pretty sure Helo read off their altitude as "900,000." Now IIRC, the Colonials use metric so that would be meters. In other words, they were 600 miles off the deck. So I'm pretty sure I misheard that.

But even factoring for editing and such, I'm pretty sure they took some dramatic lisence with the freefall time.

RDM said they were going to try to keep the physics real, and this is peanut stuff.

<math>s=v_{i}t+\frac{at^{2}}{2}</math>
<math>v_i=0</math> because theyare starting from rest, so freefall time given by <math>\sqrt{\frac{2s}{a}}=t</math>

If that does give you enough time to for your scene, set the intial hight higher.
Uh... why isn't my math working?

: I'll check on that... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:You're assuming they came in with no initial velocity, but as we've seen with various Raptor scenes, velocity is carried through a jump. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 13:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

::It was Captain Kelly, and he reads their altitude as "99,000 and falling like a rock". That's roughly 61 and a half miles up, which is ''frakking'' high. Seems a little ''too'' high, don't you think? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 14:56, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Even in the metric world, aviation uses feet for altitude. 99k feet would be 30km, or 18-ish miles, which would fit the bill rather nicely, given the size of the Galactica. --[[User:Ijdod|Ijdod]] 15:34, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:We've also seen pressure gauges in PSI (pounds per square inch). So it isn't all metric. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:31, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
::I was going to mention that, but I was hungry and I forgot :( 99k feet was what I took it to mean when I heard it initially. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 15:51, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

:I'm Thinking that a ship of that size and mass could even survive all of the forces at work from a fall like that, what is it almost a Km and a haft long and a haft a Km wide. It's mass must in the 5 to 10,000,000 metric tons. I can'y even think of the rate in witch it was falling. --[[Usr:Bowersj8|Bowersj8]] 5:29, 22 October 2006 (EDT)
::It managed to survive the forces at work when a nuclear weapon detonated pretty damn close to it (Miniseries). Completely different sorts of forces, of course, but makes the point that it's a tough ship. --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 09:54, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Not just "pretty damn close." The nuclear detonation in the miniseries was a direct hit. Galactica is one ''hell'' of a tough boat. --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:32, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Dont forget, explosions in the vacuum of space are not as devastating as they are in the atmosphere, since they lack a medium (ie: air) to properly carry the shockwave. Of course, Galactica remains a tough egg to crack nonetheless ^_^ --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 17:13, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Well hey, if you're fighting someone like the Cylons, you'd wanna be in something damned near unbreakable. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:05, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::In the words of RDM (Exodus, Pt. II Podcast) "My logic was, look, if Galactica can take a hit from a nuke and keep on movin', which we established in the Miniseries. If it can take a nuke, and still be okay on some level, this is a tough motherfucking machine." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:02, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
I don't give a crap about the math of it, it was FRAKKING AWESOME! Seriously, that was insane. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:52, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:I think people are getting a little too worked up mathematically about a scene which is prety moving in that the crew of Galactica risked everything in order to help save everyone down on New Caprica. It was a very daring manouver which may well have resulted in slamming right into the ground with the FTL's failing. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 10:00, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::They weren't just risking their own lives, either. The force of an impact like that would have probably wiped out the entire city. They quite literally risked ''everything.'' --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 15:32, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Yeah, you've gotta think about how big the Galactica is. It'd be like an asteroid! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:23, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Nonetheless, the sheer awesomeness of that scene outranks the slightly screwed physics of maths of it all. It was awesome to watch, some suspension of disbelief isn't too much to ask I reckon ^_^ --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 23:05, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

:::::As a proud Southerner, I felt the need to correct your spelling of "reckon." Don't take it personally. :D --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 10:07, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::::::My first language is french, and I stand proudly by my typoes ;) --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 17:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Fair enough. When I typo in ''la belle Francais'', you're more than welcome to correct me. :D --[[User:Slander|Slander]] 09:55, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Quick poll... did anybody actually see that jump coming? --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 01:35, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
:I figured Galactica might do some atmospheric ops, but other than that, no. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 18:10, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::Saw the shot in the teaser at the start, and thought that they possibly went into an extremely low orbit to support the evacuation, but jumping INTO the atmosphere, launching ''Vipers'' and then jumping out......didn't see it coming at all --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 19:40, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Some things like Pegasus were leaked early in June but this was kept well under raps. I watched it with my cousin and we were both like "Wow! I can't believe they just did that!" So that's 2 votes for 'No, didn't see it coming."--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:00, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest stars ==

Bodie Olmos appeared in the episode in the scene where Galactica dropped into the atmosphere. He mentioned a pilot called Red Wing. Anyone know the actor's name? Neither actor was listed in the credits for some reason.

I was also wondering about Hera and Kacey's real mother. Any clue about either of them?

--[[User:123home123|123home123]] 22:16, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

:Never mind about Kacey's mother. We know her name is Julia Prynne and the actress is Emilie Ullerup. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 22:57, 7 November 2006 (CST)

----
Nicki Clyne (as Cally Tyrol) was listed in the credits, but she did not seem to appear (unless I miss it). Deleted scene? [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 22:38, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
:She's on the hangar deck at the ed :) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 01:29, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah. I didn't notice her first time but the second time, there she was, smiling away :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:26, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
:::She's too damn cute to miss! :P --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 12:57, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Isn't Tom Zarek vice-president? ==

If I recall correctly, Tom Zarek was elected as Baltar's vice-president. Now that Baltar has departed for parts unknown, wouldn't Zarek ascend to the presidency? How can Roslin legally lay claim to the presidency? Shouldn't Zarek be heading up to Colonial One? [[User:Spidey3|Spidey3]] 11:12, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

:Zarek said he resigned when the Cylons set up Baltar's puppet government. It would take a lawyer and a precise knowledge of Colonial law to determine if he still has a claim to the office --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:19, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::I think Zarek knew who was in charge at that exact moment. It's hard to challenge for leadership in the middle of a fight. It's hard to change the course of a ship in mid-stream. There's nothing to say that Zarek won't challenge for the presidency in later episodes, but at that exact moment, I think that the only thing he was thinking about was getting off the planet along with everybody else. And I do speculate that maybe he was thinking that he was on the wrong side of the coin over the whole Baltar election and maybe has a new-found fondness for Laura Roslin from the evidence of the firing squad and the evacuation. The man is pretty pragmatic at times. It will be interesting to see which way their relationship turns over the coming episodes.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 17:32, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

:::There's also the matter of association. While Zarek can clearly show that he did not collaborate with the Cylons by way of his incarceration, it is very likely that Zarek (a man that plays the political game almost as well as Roslin) wants little to do with inheriting the administration of a despised president. Only Roslin, the past president, will stand an immediate chance to assume the interim role once more with support from the populace. Based on his behavior, it seems that Zarek, once Roslin's adversary, appears to accept Roslin far more than in the past, even with concern for her life. He may choose to be her vice president, and she might accept it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 20:55, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::::I think Zarek plays the political game quite a bit better than Roslin. He simply does not have as good a position as she does coming out of all of this. I agree wholeheartedly with this analysis. Roslin will, from a purely popular standpoint, have a much better position than Zarek going into whatever reorganization the fleet and civilian population will undergo in the aftermath of the great escape. Indeed, Adama is very clearly (for the present moment) viewed as something of a messiah, and I suspect any support Adama cares to throw into the presidency will go directly to Roslin. Zarek knows what time it is, and I suspect that he will quietly accept the vice-presidency. A cynical man might even be pardoned for supposing that Zarek foresaw this and planned accordingly. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 22:52, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Quite the episode==
Y'know, I realized, this episode's tossed up a lot about the show. We started off with one half-crewed battlestar, then grew to two half-crewed battlestars, and now we're down to one fully-crewed battlestar. Plus, Ellen was killed, Starbuck's been through hell, and a good 3/4 of the fleet has gone through horrible events at the hands of the Cylons. I'm REALLY looking forward to seeing what our beloved RDM does with the series. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:Also, this epsiode has dethroned Downloaded as my favorite episode of BSG. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:48, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

::This wasn't just my favourite episode of BSG, it was my favourite episode of '''''anything'''''. Ever. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 01:33, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

==Atmospheric Heating Effects==

Of course it looked cool, but I am not really sure why the underside of Galactica would have been superheated as it descended toward New Caprica City the way it was protrayed in the episode. Such superheating is not the result of free-falling through the atmosphere, but actually the result of friction with the atmosphere due to extreme velocity. Which is precisely why skydivers do not burn up after jumping out of an airplane but space craft deorbiting (traveling initially at about 5 miles per second coming from low Earth orbit as an example) do. Galactica jumped into the atmosphere over New Caprica City, it did not (strictly speaking) reenter the atmosphere. It is possible, of course, that any velocity Galactica had prior to jumping was imparted to or else retained by Galactica after the jump. However, one might be pardoned for supposing that any such velocity would have been along the ship's main bow-to-stern axis (though this is not necessarily true), and not stright along the free fall axis the ship was clearly heating up on (i.e., from dorsal-to-ventral axis). I would also point out that Galactica did not appear to be traveling at a sufficient speed in its fall to cause superheating, though of course this may be the subject of debate. Anyway, just a thought. The dramatic effect more than made up for any possible technical inaccuracy, and I agree woth those who think this is the best episode on the new series yet. --[[User:Felix Culpa|Felix Culpa]] 19:13, 25 October 2006 (CDT)
: Although I agree with your assessment -- and not to fanwank at all -- perhaps the burning effect is a result of jumping into a planetary atmosphere? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 06:44, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
::Well you have to keep in mind the mammoth size of the ''Galactica''. I think she was moving more than speedily enough to cause severe heating on the lower parts of the ship. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 10:28, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Just a relevent excerpt from the [[Podcast:Exodus, Part II|podcast]] (maybe it deserves a podcast ref on "Galactica type battlestar"):
:::"We had some internal questions about the technical feasibility of Galactica jumping into the atmosphere and falling through the- falling like a rock through this. You could argue it either way. It's all s- it's science fiction so who knows what Galactica's made of and the structure integrity, etc., etc. My logic was, "Look. If Galactica can take hit from a nuke, and keep on moving, which we established in the miniseries. If it can take a nuke and still be ok on some level, this is a tough motherfuckin' machine." So that means if it- I can buy that it has enough structural integrity to fall through that atmosphere. It couldn't maneuver. It can't fly. That's not what it's designed to do. But I bought the idea that it could hang together long enough to just fall straight down and then launch its Vipers and then get the hell out of there." --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:38, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Uh... Yeah, I think Galatica was moving fast enough. Neglecting air drag, some quick calculations, I put her speed near the ground at somewhere near Mach 2.25. Remember that the SR-71 flew at Mach 3+, but only in the neighborhood of 80,000 feet. The air is much thinner, and consquently frictional heating is much less. But Galactica was accelerating and moving into denser air layers.
::::Now given her downright crappy aerodynamics, it is not implausable that pockets of air stalled beneath the ship during the fall. This would allow the gasses to become super heated. Contrast this with say and SR-71. A given air molecule is only in contact with the skin of the plane for about .09 seconds.
::::Once we bring friction in, I don't think these numbers will vary too wildly, but if that's just a guesstimate
::::So anyway, Was she falling hot enough to glow red hot? I'm thinking no. Just too much metal, too much mass. Was she falling hot enough to superheat the surrounding atmosphere, I'll say "until I can perform more precise calculations, yeah, its possible."
::::[[User:Grimlock|Grimlock]] 11:18, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Superheating is caused by frictional energy converted to heat and the formula for energy is Energy = Force x Distance or Energy = Mass x Acceleration Squared x Distance or Energy = Mass x Velocity Squared. Mass is an equal factor in creating energy as Velocity squared. Point is: The Galactica's got a lot of mass. I argue that it's probably a million times the size of the space shuttle which is 2000 times the size the Mercury 3 that carried Alan Sheppard to be the 1st American in space, both objects that superheated. Also, a problem that aircraft like the SR-71 have at approaching Mach 3 is that the engines superheat, limiting speeds to about Mach 3. The Soviet Mig-25 interceptor, whenever it makes a run at the supposed Mach 3.5 that it can do, has to have it's engines replaced because the parts fuse due to superheating as a result of frictional energy. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:21, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

==Cleanup==
I am removing all the "discussion" about continuity error(s). The question is should error discussions occur on this talk page or the [[Continuity errors (RDM)]] talk page? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

Frankie, regarding your deletion of answered questions - I think we should keep old questions, even once later episodes answer them. It represents important issues that remained unresolved at the time of the episode's airing. I wouldn't object to some level of summary and redaction, but outright deleting them obscures the record of the audience response. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:No problem, however, several of this question can not possibly be answered without speculation or opinion. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:53, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::My opinion on speculation (and it's just mine) is that when grounded in good evidence and clearly within the realm of reason and plot mechanics, it's okay. It only really starts to bother me when we venture into outright absurdities. In any case, I think we should really work out a policy on [[BW:TANK]] ''before'' we start removing stuff. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I was removing speculation and opinion because Joe had early this evening. The continuity errors was discussed during [[BW:ES]]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 21:12, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::::I missed that discussion, so I suppose I'll have to defer to the consensus there. It seems like we should at least mention the error, perhaps with a link to a fuller discussion at a different article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:23, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

In keeping the old questions, we should follow already established S&C guidelines on this, particularly point three of the [[BW:SC#Questions_Section|Questions Section]] at S&C. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:36, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:I was wondering where I misplaced that... --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 21:42, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::No worries. I am beginning to wonder, though, whether or not we should rework the S&C page so that it is better organized. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:44, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

== Poison ==

There is a sentence in the Question section: "Did Ellen Tigh know or suspect that the drink was poisoned?"
Well, actually we seem to know the answer: Kate Vernon on the [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2250922&st=64 SciFi Forums] stated that Ellen knew. I think this information should be added somewhere. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 21:45, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: It should be noted in the Notes section, with the appropriate reference citation. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:55, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: Adding a sentence or two in the Notes section is no problem at all, but I have no idea how to add a reference on the bottom of the page. When I click "Edit" im the References section, I can't see the Chicago Tribune reference, so I don't know how to add another one... -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 22:17, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::: When you add the content to the Notes section, simply encase the link in <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tags, or use the toolbox below the edit box and click on the appropriate item under "BSG Cite markup". -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 22:26, 29 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

2006-10-31T12:21:16Z

123home123: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

==Dark==
I get a feeling this'll be Season 3's "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:21, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

That or a season 3 spin on [[Litmus]]. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what becomes of Jammer and Gaeta. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Screenshots==
Anyone else check out the screenshots on the Sci Fi site? Did you notice that priest who is swearing in Roslin? He looks like the Lumberg character from the movie "Office Space." --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:17, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::Going to upload after we move servers. My connection is not stable and it might timeout. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:12, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:He's also the very same priest who swore in Baltar. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:49, 31 October 2006 (CST)

== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Ok... this is my idea. Three hours before the episode, we sysop protect this page. Once the episode is aired/finshed on it's first round 9pm to 10pm, we unlock it. What this will do is keep the server queries down on the server before the mad rush. Talking with steelviper about this, he suggested we have three sub-pages off the episode guide, Summary, Questions, and Anylsis for people to work on during the episode. This will keep the conflicts down and the server in tip top shape. Before we unlock the main episode page.... we as sysops (Mop boys) would transfer the information from these pages to the guide and then kill the subpages. We need a {{tl|currently airing}} template to help with the links, but it be a start to keeping the server smooth after an episode airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:31, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Part of me worries about locking users out, especially while the episode is airing. That might be confusing, and that's bound to be a peak time of contribution. On the other hand, if users can't access the page to begin with, then we're not in any better a position. If having subpages allows people to continue to contribute real-time with the episode, and with transclusions allowing the changes to be visible real-time, it might be a way to allow people the thrill of striking while the iron is hot without crushing the server. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Clues ==
I didn't tape the episode, but maybe someone who did might be able to tell...what rank insignia was Lee wearing when he met his father? --[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 02:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)Dallan007
:It's obscured by a fold in Lee's uniform for a lot of the scene (he should really get on to his tailor about bringing in his uniform, since he's losing weight), but it '''looks''' like Commander rank insignia. It's definitely no less than Colonel (the circle in the centre is quite distinct). --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 05:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree, it definitely appears to be a Commander's insignia. There's a distinct section ''behind'' the diamond with the colonial seal, ie the silver plate we see on the Commander pin. It'd help if someone has any relatively high-res caps, all I can get are 640x352 --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::: There hasnt been a hi-def airing yet so thats the best we got atm :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:40, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Resurrection ship reappears ==

Did anyone else notice that in at least one of the establishing shots of the Cylon fleet we see a resurrection ship, in addition to the basestars?

Also note the veritable swarms of raiders...

It looks like the Cylons have been busy cranking out new troops for a return to heavy battle. {{unsigned|Spidey3}}

::And since they have a new Resurrection Ship, coupled with the fact that the Cylons are again discriminating, for want of a better phrase, against humans... I'd say our rag-tag fleet has something to worry about ;) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:50, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I count 5 Basestars and 1 Resurrection ship. Quite a force. I bet Lee Adama will be wishing he didn't use the Pegasus to play bumper cars when he sees that fleet..... -- [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I counted 6 Basestars surrounding the Resurrection Ship... [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 19:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

==The "third" time Six has used the "Don't make me angry, Gaius" threat==

Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: I don't remember anything like this after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who used this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::: OK, now the count is correct, but the whole sentence still isn't. Like I wrote before, it's Adama who used this phrase the second time, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::: You are more than welcome to edit it. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:46, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Nth Exodus==
I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster). 'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation. Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Well, Peter, that depends—if Christ were to return to Earth, we would call it the "second coming", and if one year later Christ were to return again, we would call it the "third coming". So it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)

== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here: Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer? As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::But judging his facial expression and body language, I thought he was surprised too. I agree that he would have been happy with a position even as a highranking advisor, but didn't reckon to be offered the VP slot --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Chadwick the collaborator==
Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)

:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

2006-10-31T12:20:50Z

123home123: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

==Dark==
I get a feeling this'll be Season 3's "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:21, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

That or a season 3 spin on [[Litmus]]. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what becomes of Jammer and Gaeta. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Screenshots==
Anyone else check out the screenshots on the Sci Fi site? Did you notice that priest who is swearing in Roslin? He looks like the Lumberg character from the movie "Office Space." --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:17, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::Going to upload after we move servers. My connection is not stable and it might timeout. [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 00:12, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:He's also the very same priest who swore in Baltar. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:49, 31 October 2006 (CST)

== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Ok... this is my idea. Three hours before the episode, we sysop protect this page. Once the episode is aired/finshed on it's first round 9pm to 10pm, we unlock it. What this will do is keep the server queries down on the server before the mad rush. Talking with steelviper about this, he suggested we have three sub-pages off the episode guide, Summary, Questions, and Anylsis for people to work on during the episode. This will keep the conflicts down and the server in tip top shape. Before we unlock the main episode page.... we as sysops (Mop boys) would transfer the information from these pages to the guide and then kill the subpages. We need a {{tl|currently airing}} template to help with the links, but it be a start to keeping the server smooth after an episode airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:31, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Part of me worries about locking users out, especially while the episode is airing. That might be confusing, and that's bound to be a peak time of contribution. On the other hand, if users can't access the page to begin with, then we're not in any better a position. If having subpages allows people to continue to contribute real-time with the episode, and with transclusions allowing the changes to be visible real-time, it might be a way to allow people the thrill of striking while the iron is hot without crushing the server. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Clues ==
I didn't tape the episode, but maybe someone who did might be able to tell...what rank insignia was Lee wearing when he met his father? --[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 02:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)Dallan007
:It's obscured by a fold in Lee's uniform for a lot of the scene (he should really get on to his tailor about bringing in his uniform, since he's losing weight), but it '''looks''' like Commander rank insignia. It's definitely no less than Colonel (the circle in the centre is quite distinct). --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 05:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree, it definitely appears to be a Commander's insignia. There's a distinct section ''behind'' the diamond with the colonial seal, ie the silver plate we see on the Commander pin. It'd help if someone has any relatively high-res caps, all I can get are 640x352 --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::: There hasnt been a hi-def airing yet so thats the best we got atm :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:40, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Resurrection ship reappears ==

Did anyone else notice that in at least one of the establishing shots of the Cylon fleet we see a resurrection ship, in addition to the basestars?

Also note the veritable swarms of raiders...

It looks like the Cylons have been busy cranking out new troops for a return to heavy battle. {{unsigned|Spidey3}}

::And since they have a new Resurrection Ship, coupled with the fact that the Cylons are again discriminating, for want of a better phrase, against humans... I'd say our rag-tag fleet has something to worry about ;) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:50, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I count 5 Basestars and 1 Resurrection ship. Quite a force. I bet Lee Adama will be wishing he didn't use the Pegasus to play bumper cars when he sees that fleet..... -- [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I counted 6 Basestars surrounding the Resurrection Ship... [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 19:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

==The "third" time Six has used the "Don't make me angry, Gaius" threat==

Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: I don't remember anything like this after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who used this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::: OK, now the count is correct, but the whole sentence still isn't. Like I wrote before, it's Adama who used this phrase the second time, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::: You are more than welcome to edit it. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:46, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Nth Exodus==
I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster). 'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation. Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)
:::Well, Peter, that depends—if Christ were to return to Earth, we would call it the "second coming", and if one year later Christ were to return again, we would call it the "third coming". So it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem. [[User:Philwelch|Philwelch]] 03:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)

== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here: Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer? As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::But judging his facial expression and body language, I thought he was surprised too. I agree that he would have been happy with a position even as a highranking advisor, but didn't reckon to be offered the VP slot --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Chadwick the collaborator==
Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)

I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Collaborators

2006-10-31T12:18:43Z

123home123: /* Notes */ Added Chadwick's name

{{Episode Data
| title= Collaborators
| image=JammerCollaborators.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 5
| guests=
| writer= [[Mark Verheiden]]
| story=
| director= [[Michael Rymer]]
| production= 305
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-27
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population= 41,435
| prev= [[Exodus, Part II]]
| next= [[Torn]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''[[The Circle]], a secret tribunal on ''[[Galactica (RDM)|Galactica]]'', decides the fate of [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and other Colonials who aided the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] during the occupation of [[New Caprica]].

== Summary ==
=== On ''[[Galactica]]'' ===
* [[James Lyman]] (Jammer) is brought before [[The Circle]]. He is found guilty of treason, the punishment for which is death. Despite his pleas and an attempt to convince [[Galen Tyrol]] to spare him, for Lyman freed [[Cally Tyrol]] from the Cylon death squad ([[Precipice]]), The Circle carries out Lyman's punishment and ejects him from ''Galactica'' by depressurizing the [[launch tubes|launch tube]] where he is held.
* After Lyman's execution, Tyrol talks to his wife about how she escaped. While she claims to not have thought about the incident since, Cally Tyrol tells him that she thinks one "[[New Caprica Police|of those goons]]" set her free.
* On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Laura Roslin]] asks [[Tom Zarek]] of his plans as the new President. Zarek plans to reconvene the Quorum of Twelve, put Roslin's name in for nomination to vice president and then step down, returning the presidency to her. Roslin assumes that this act requires something in return for Zarek, who he asks not be left on the outside of government affairs. For his actions in standing up to Gaius Baltar on New Caprica, she promises him the Vice Presidency.
* [[Felix Gaeta]] enters the still-damaged [[CIC]] to help with repairs to communication. [[Saul Tigh|Colonel Tigh]] sees him and vocally demands for him to leave, accusing him of being a collaborator. [[Helo]] tells Tigh that Gaeta is there on the Admiral's orders, but Tigh continues to protest loudly until Admiral Adama appears. The admiral takes him out of the room to talk to him about resting so he will be ready, something that Tigh thinks he doesn't need.
* The Circle reconvenes, now under a three-day time limit to dole out justice. As they run through the cases, they eventually they come to the file on Gaeta, with four of the members voting guilty. Anders refuses to vote and leaves the Circle, tired of the continuous killing he has done. Chief Tyrol refuses to vote if they do not have a sixth member as required for the Circle.
* In the mess hall, Gaeta is treated as ''[[Wikipedia:Persona non grata|persona non grata]]'', eating alone until [[Kara Thrace]] sits at his table. She talks, kindly at first, then insults him for his supposed cowardice. Gaeta counters by bringing up his status as the informant, mentioning the dog dish being flipped over as his signal to the resistance.
* Lee and Bill Adama talking about the status of the fleet. Lee Adama brings up the fact that over the past few days, 13 people have mysteriously disappeared, after being confirmed as survivors of the Exodus. As he leaves he reveals that has lost "[[Wikipedia:Stone (weight)|half a stone]]" in weight. Bill tells him to keep jumping rope.
* The Circle brings in Kara Thrace as the replacement vote of the jury. All vote guilty on Gaeta, except for Tyrol once more. When Kara asks if this is legal, they show her a Presidential Executive Order. Anders comes in and requests time to talk with his wife. The scene splits, with the other members of the Circle trying to convince Tyrol of Gaeta's guilt, and Anders trying to explain that what the Circle does isn't justice. Thrace rebuffs him, her pain from incarceration lashing at anyone, even her husband. Thrace tells Anders that they must separate. The Chief eventually folds and votes guilty.
* Gaeta is captured and brought to a launch tube, told that this is an official trial under authority from the President of the Colonies, and that if he has anything to say to explain himself he should say it now. Gaeta replies that he has already told his story and refuses to beg. Kara Thrace's anger lashes out at Gaeta, telling him to beg, while taunting him with the idea that he was an informant for the insurgency, and mentioning the [[Jake (New Caprica)|dog bowl]]. When the Chief hears this, he reveals that Gaeta could not know about the signal unless he was the one leaving the dead drops, then he releases Gaeta from his bonds. The other members of the Circle realize Gaeta's innocence, that he was in fact the secret source inside the Baltar Adminstration. Colonel Tigh stands speechless in the revelation, confused between his own certainty and the facts before him.
* Laura Roslin is re-inaugurated as the President of the Twelve Colonies, and issues a decree of amnesty against all alleged collaborators, after it is privately revealed that Zarek authorized the trials and sentences conducted by the Circle in an attempt to protect Roslin from having to deal with months of public trials which could destroy the unity of the Fleet through highly publicized "witch hunts." In place of the trials, Roslin announces a commission on "truth and reconciliation", to record the history of the occupation for posterity.
* Still outcast, Gaeta is reinstated in the Colonial Fleet as an officer. In the mess hall, Chief Tyrol sits with Gaeta. Both eat in silence as the other crew members are taken aback by the act.

===On a [[Basestar (RDM)|basestar]]===
* [[Gaius Baltar]] seems to be on ''Colonial One'', sitting in a chair in front of Tigh, Roslin, and Admiral Adama as they talk about how there was little he could do with the situation he had on New Caprica.
* As the group forgives him, the [[Cylon-Related Hallucinations|virtual Six]] appears and claims the group is too lenient. Admiral Adama actually seems to hear her. Laura Roslin begins to tell Baltar how much she wants him in a provocative manner when Baltar realizes he is dreaming, waking up as Roslin kisses him.
*Baltar finds himself naked on a red [[Wikipedia:Chaise longue|chaise longue]] inside an unrecognizable room. When a [[Cylon Centurion]] guard appears at the doorway, Baltar realizes that he is imprisoned in the room with only a robe to wear. The scene turns to outer space where we see several Cylon basestars surrounding a [[Resurrection Ship]].
* A [[Number Three]] visits Baltar. She tells him that 3 days have elapsed since his arrival, and offers him a bottle of pills. She tells him that his presence on the basestar has caused a conflict between seven of the models. With three voting for him to be allowed to remain, while three vote for him to be removed. The only model that hasn't come to a consensus are the Sixes.
* [[Caprica Six]] visits Baltar and explains how wrong she was to let her feelings get in the way of her duties as a Cylon. Baltar tries to convince Six that she is more then just a Cylon and that she loves him. As she walks out he belatedly tells her that he needs her as well.
*Later, Baltar awakens to find Caprica-Six setting his clothes in his room.

== Questions ==
* Will there be an illegal organization in the Fleet that will continue where [[The Circle]] left off?
* Since Tigh has been reinstated into the Colonial Fleet, where does this leave Galactica's chain of command? Specifically, what are the roles of Tigh, Helo, and [[Aaron Kelly|Kelly]] now?
* What of [[Lee Adama]], [[Anastasia Dualla]] and other officers of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]''? How will these redundacies be dealt with?
* Given that there are civilians aboard ''Galactica'' from the Second Exodus, and previous sabotage events that plagued ''Galactica'' prior to colonization of New Caprica, are they restricted to certain areas?
* Has [[Samuel Anders]] become a member of ''Galactica's'' crew, or is he only allowed on board because of his relationship with Thrace?
* Will any of The Circle's members or Zarek face charges, or will they be pardoned by Roslin's government for what they had done?
* Now that the Cylons seem to have accepted Gaius Baltar, at least begrudgingly, what will happen to him?
* What happened to those who were left behind on [[New Caprica]]?
* Which Cylon models are in favor of allowing Baltar to stay with them (besides Three, who proposed it in the first place) and which are not in favor?
* Does Caprica-Six setting Baltar's clothes on his bed indicate that the Cylons have chosen to allow him to remain?
* What became of Zarek's deal with Roslin to become Vice-President after his order authorizing the Circle came to light? Did he become Vice-President, or is he back on the outside?
* How could [[The Circle]] operate in ''Galactica's'' launch tubes without William Adama's notice?
** Or, for that matter, the notice of anyone on the usually-busy hangar decks?
** Perhaps it was a launch tube in the unused flightpod?
* Did the General Amnesty apply to Baltar?
* Are there going to be new laws outlining rules of contact with the enemy for the future?
* Isn't it becoming obvious that the survivors now need a new consititution since the current system doesn't seem to work in the environment it is in?
* With the revelation that [[Gaeta]] was the inside source, why hasn't he been recognized and welcomed as a hero of the resistance?

== Analysis ==
*The flight from New Caprica is referred to as "The Second Exodus", implying that the "First Exodus" was from the Colonies to New Caprica.
*Three states that three models are in favor of keeping Baltar around and three are against it, with Six's vote needed to break the stalemate. This indicates that the remaining five models are, for whatever reason, not participating in the vote.
* This is the first time viewers have seen a living interior of a Cylon basestar. The only time an interior shot of a basestar was ever seen was in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" when [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] encounters her [[Number Eight|sisters]].
* Lee Adama mentions that he lost "half a stone" refering to his weight. A stone is a unit of weight used mostly in the United Kingdom and Ireland that is equivalent to 14 pounds or 6.34 kg.
* ''Galactica's'' living spaces and hallways appear much more crowded than in the first two seasons, reflecting the expanded size of her crew. There also appear to be civilians mixed in with ''Galactica'''s crew complment, which is likely the result of overcrowding and the loss of some of the ships during the colonization and occupation of New Caprica.
* The exterior of ''Galactica'' is visibly damaged from the [[Battle of New Caprica]].
* The only two [[Cylon agent]]s to appear are Number Three and Number Six.
*On the disposition of the ''Pegasus'' crew and separated military personnel:
**Saul Tigh has resumed service as ''Galactica's'' XO. However, his experiences on New Caprica are hindering his ability to perform his duties.
**Lee Adama is performing bookkeeping work. He still wears his ''Pegasus'' uniform and Commander insignia, but his position on ''Galactica'' is unclear.
**Kara Thrace has retreived her uniform from storage, but it is not clear whether she has been recomissioned.
**Louanne Katraine is not seen. Presumably she continues to serve as ''Galactica's'' CAG.
**Karl Agathon is still working in ''Galactica's'' CIC.
**Anastasia Dualla is not seen.
**Felix Gaeta has been asked to help repair communication systems damaged during ''Galactica's'' atmospheric insertion in "[[Exodus, Part II]]". He is later seen in uniform in the mess hall.
**Galen Tyrol is back in uniform, and has presumably re-enlisted.
**Cally Tyrol is briefly seen caring for her son. It is not clear whether she has re-enlisted.
***Her comment, "Am I on watch?" seems to imply that she has re-enlisted.
**[[Seelix]] is on ''Galactica'' and serves as a member of the Circle, but is not seen in uniform.
**Jammer has been executed by [[The Circle]] for his actions as a member of the [[New Caprica Police]].
*The glowing red strip on the wall in Baltar's room resembles the eye of a [[Cylon Centurion]] or [[Cylon Raider (RDM)|Raider]]. While it could be decoration, there's a good chance that it's a surveillance system.

== Notes ==
* This episode marks the resumption of the [[Survivor count]]. The count is revealed to be 41,435, meaning that there has been a net loss of 8,115 people since the beginning of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]."
* Laura Roslin resumes the Presidency in this episode.
* Kara Thrace has kept her surname, unlike most other married women shown or referenced thus far (including Caroline Adama, Ellen Tigh, Sesha Abinell, Cally Tyrol and Sharon Agathon).
* The Circle is the name used by the Bajoran [[MemoryAlpha:Alliance for Global Unity|Alliance for Global Unity]] in [[MemoryAlpha:Star Trek: Deep Space Nine|Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]] ("[[MemoryAlpha:The Homecoming|''The Homecoming'']]", "[[MemoryAlpha:The Circle|''The Circle'']]", and "[[MemoryAlpha:Siege|''The Siege'']]").
*This is the second time the "Don't make me angry, Gaius. You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" threat against Baltar has been used (the first time by Six, the second by Six and Admiral Adama). The quote "You wouldn't like me when I'm angry" is also a nod to ''[[w:The Incredible Hulk|The Incredible Hulk]]''.
* Chadwick, the woman convicted in between Jammer's execution and Gaeta's aborted sentencing, was executed, thereby increasing the count to 14. The execution scene was filmed, but later cut ([[Podcast:Collaborators]]). Chadwick's name is spoken by Barolay. She says Chadwick is aboard the [[Monarch]] and that they have people on that ship who can take care of Chadwick.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''After discussing the thirteen missing persons:''
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': I've got a date with a jump rope. Hey, I've lost half a stone.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': Keep jumpin'.

*''In Gaius Baltar's dream:''
:'''Number Six''': Don't make me angry, Gaius.
:'''Admiral William Adama''': You wouldn't like her when she's angry.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[imdb:nm0356501|Jennifer Halley]] as [[Seelix]]
*[[imdb:nm0730455|Ryan Robbins]] as [[Charlie Connor|Connor]]
*[[Alisen Down]] as [[Jean Barolay]]
*Winston Rekert as Priest

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== Who's the Mop Guy? ==

Hi there. We have a humorous article dedicated to our administrators: [[Mop Boy]]. We have a screencap of a ''Galactica'' crewman who is mopping the floor in the documentary of "[[Final Cut]]" (which, metaphorically, is what admins do). Did that character have a name? If not, can you give him an unofficial one? "The Unknown Mopper" is the administrator's patron saint. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:40, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::I'll ask Mark to give him a name when I get back to LA - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:56, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hamish "Skulls" McCall ==
Hello Mr. Bradley, is there a rank available for Hamish "Skulls" McCall? Is he Ensign, Lieutenant JG, or Lieutenant? I imagine that he's not anything higher. Also, is he Racetrack's ECO or Co-Pilot? Somebody was calling him a co-pilot and I didn't know if maybe he was a converted Raptor pilot because of ECO shortages or something like that but I figured I'd ask. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 23:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::Hi, Straycat. I have no official rank on Skulls -- you'll have to look at his pips. Skulls is currently an ECO, but all ECO's are cross-trained with piloting skills. Attrition has forced some (such as Racetrack and Helo) to assume pilot in command duties more than once. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:21, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Apollo's pilot wings ==

Is there a particular reason why Apollo is wearing junior wings in Season 3 while he's wearing senior wings in "The Captain's Hand" (I think) and LDYB? Personally I prefer that the wings signify actual piloting experience and aren't just awarded together with becoming Major or Colonel. But aside from it being a possible error, there might be some in-universe reason for the change. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::Lee's promotion to Major in Captain's Hand brought with it the senior pilot rank badges, as he started out as a pilot and the skill level that got him the Major's rank also warranted the new wings. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:24, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::So why did he lose them in Season 3 then? Other senior officers still have theirs despite not being active pilots anymore. Like Cain, Adama or Tigh --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:29, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Good question. You'll have to scare up somebody in costume to track that. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Colonial Calendar ==

In Precipice when Baltar is singning the death varent. There is clearly seen '''SIGNED THIS SECOND DAY OF 3454-91''' over his signature.

Does it mean '''Tuesday (second day), 91st day of year 3454 after The Exodus from Kobol?'''

[http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6017/bscap0000uo3.jpg Screencap] --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 14:17, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

: It all depends on when the week starts. A week can start on either Sunday or Monday -- and there has been absolutely no evidence that they use those names to denote days of a week. There are also too many variables to determine whether or not it has been 3454 years since The Exodus from Kobol. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:01, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, that's why am I asking Mr. Thmpson. "91" can also mean 91st week of year... --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 15:14, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::: 91st week of the year? This doesn't compute, given it's been pretty much established repeatedly that the Colonial time or calendar is really no different than the Gregorian calendar or the 24-hour system we use on this spec of dust. :-) For comparison, there are only 52 weeks in a standard Earth year. Also, it has been previously established that the exodus occured 2,000 years ago; so the Exodus is discounted as being "Year 1" in the Colonial calendar. However, any answers that Mr. Thompson can provide in this regard would doubtless be appreciated. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:Interesting find. Maybe it's some weird Cylon way of timekeeping --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:54, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::::For that matter, is Mars Day a holiday or a day of the week? The days of the week on Earth are named after gods, Norse gods in English and Roman gods in Italic languages. ex. English: Tuesday, named for the Norse war god Tyr; French: Mardi, named for the Roman war god Mars. English: Friday, named for the Norse love goddess Freya; French: Vendredi, named for the Roman love goddess Venus. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Scriptural Reference ==
Mr. Bradley, was it intended that Colonel Tigh was making a scriptural reference to the colonial scriptures when he said: "Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the garden of paradise sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. Surprised you didn't know that." This feels and sounds very like he is refering to some 'Colonial Bible' and the expressions on Tyrol's and Anders' faces give me that sense? Was that the intent from the writers room with that saying? Gotta say that I loved some of the dialog in Occuprice and can't wait till it comes out on iTunes.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:24, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::I haven't read all of Colonial scripture, so I can't really speak to that. But it wouldn't surprise me if Saul Tigh did read the scriptures at some point in his life. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 23:16, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== We know what the cast looks like.. ==

But we have very few pictures of the [[:Category:Crew|Crew]]. Any chance you can round up a digital camera and do a group and individual photos? :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:24, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Nope. I already got a message from TPTB that there will be no unofficial photos coming from this source. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:27, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::: TPTB? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:15, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: The Powers that Be. I imagine its more or less for privacy and confidentiality reasons. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:22, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::::: Roger. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:25, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:We have a few crew pictures, but I can't ID them. [[:md:Category:Seeking Official Information]]
::Left Image - In the center is Supervising Producer Harvey Frand, who works miracles in Vancouver by making the impossible happen regularly for miniscule budgets. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Center Image - The guy on the left is VFX Supervisor Gary Hutzel, Master of Visual FX. Without him, the ships don't fly, the nukes don't explode. Much of what you love about this show comes out of his brain. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Right Image - is Harvey Frand, whom you met on the left. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:40, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
<gallery>
Image:David Erik, RDM, and Unkown.jpg|I have no clue. David is one the left, RDM on the right, and Center...well is the Question :)
Image:Edward James Olmos and Unkown.jpg|Dir. of Photography?
Image:Unkown2.jpg|I still have no clue.
</gallery>

== Erica Cerra back [[Exodus, Part I]]? ==

Is she back just for these few episodes or was this another actress or a standin? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:09, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

::It's her. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:54, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Gunnery Sgt Mathias ==

Hi, I was directed to ask these questions here; they were initially posed at the "[[Exodus, Part I]]" [[Talk:Exodus, Part I#Gunnery Sgt Mathias|talk page]].

1. First off, is she one of ''Pegasus''' onboard company? She doesn't look familiar to ''Galactica'', and [[Hadrian]]'s reputedly the seniormost Marine onboard the latter ship. My guess is the former rather than the latter, but it's never stated.
::We often don't state things until there's a compelling reason to state them, such as where Mathias came from or what her story is. It may play into future episodes, but until then, we keep you guessing. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

2. This one ties into 1: considering the above, why is she so (relatively) friendly with Sharon? There might be some leeway if she stood Brig duty and got to know Sharon, but then that would prove contrary to the Hadrian issue, not to mention that it's highly unlikely someone as senior as a Gunnery Sgt would be standing brig duty. OTOH, if she's a Marine from ''Pegasus'', she obviously should have a marked level of disgust about taking orders from a "skinjob". Granted, military professionalism and bearing might play a role in overriding that disgust, but Sharon's nature as a Cylon can't be denied, regardless of what side she's on. Additionally, she may have been posted to brig watch while Sharon was in ''Pegasus''' brig, but again, there's the rank vs. watchstanding issue.

::See what fun you're having? It's been said in drama that one good question is better than a dozen good answers. But you don't make gunnery sergeant without learning to obey the rank, not the person. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

Just a few thoughts that came to mind. Thanks for your time.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:30, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::You're most welcome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:59, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== New episode names ==
Hello Mr. Thompson, we have a couple more "working titles" if you'd care to confirm them as such: Episode 15/16 - Dirty Hands, Episode 16/17 - Maelstrom. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 22:41, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::So far, "Dirty Hands" is the title of Episode 15. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:46, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::BTW, "Download City" is Seelix's slang for wherever Cylons go to get resurrected. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:51, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Darn. Oh well.. i liked the idea of a city. lol. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:14, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Numbering ==
Mr. Thompson, you are counting "Dirty Hands" as the title of episode 15. This means that Occupation and Precipice are the same episode. But Ron in his podcast calls them episodes 3.01 and 3.02 which would make "Dirty Hands" episode 16. What do you guys consider "Occupation/Precipice", a.k.a. "Occuprice", Episodes 1 and 2, Episodes 1 and 1.5 or just episode 1? And then Exodus, Part I is then episode 2 or episode 3? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
: Given [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive05|this original list that Mr. Thompson provided]], he's counting "Occupation" and "Precipice" as episode 1.0 and 1.5 respetively. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:15, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Just to add further clarity, like Joe said the production staff is using the 1.0 and 1.5, and everyone else is not (I think). It was easier for the wiki to go with Precipice as 2.0, because it matches the info at scifi.com and the podcasts. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:19, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

== Why weren't more Colonial factions visible on New Caprica? ==

Over 2 seasons, you've shown us that Colonials aren't the same.
They have different cultures, and internal conflicts.

Going into season 3, I expected to see sharp differences within New-Caprican society:
Different strategies, power-plays, and sophisticated reactions to the Cylon presence.
Instead, we only saw things through the prism of the Tigh-Vs-Baltar conflict.

The popularily-elected Quorum members were nowhere to be seen.
Zarek was completely sidelined.
The religous establishment was hardly seen.
The 'peace movement', who believed in Six's 'unity' platform were unseen/unheard of.
''ETC.''

'''What prevented the writers from playing up inter-Colonial differences?'''

--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 03:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

: I'm going to guess lack of screen time. It can probably be assumed that the extremist colonial groups fell into the respective resit/collaborate camps, with a lot of messiness in the intervening months. The relative quiet of the Cylons' "crap, this isn't working" camp and the ascendency of the "see, told you it wouldn't" camp has many RL examples. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 18:47, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::I agree that there wasn't time, unless you wanted to run four more eps on New Caprica. As for [[Gina]]'s "[[Demand Peace]]" movement, it seems that the bulk, if not all, went up in the radioactive boom along with ''Cloud 9''.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 21:58, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

'''If what you guys say is correct, then doesn't this kill the tapestry of the Colonials?'''
Before this 'occupation' storyline, Roslin faced convincing challenges from the above elements. But now, she's a war hero who won the day. While the others were MIA, or talentless. Who can convincingly mount dissent in Colonial society now? ''Perhaps if they had implied that the quorum was in hiding; that the Geminese held protests; or that the prisoners rioted (ala Bastille Day);..it would maintain that Roslin wasn't the only Colonial leader fighting.'' So I'm wondering if the writers actively wanted to end the internal Colonial conflicts. Unify the fleet, in order to go after Cylons?
--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 00:09, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

== Shaver ==

A few of us at my college, where I go to the BSG parties, are wondering if we can get real working replica of Adama's shaver. Any one we should contact? ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Thats the most odd request for a replica prop i've ever heard :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::We avoid passing on that information as it may be construed as a plug for a product. You used to be able to get them from the big discount houses on Picon. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:49, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Pegasus starboard flight pod ==

In Exodus part 2, when Pegasus comes to Galactica's rescue and flies past the camera firing, a main battery turret can be seen firing from the foreward dorsal surface of the starboard flight-pod. However, there is no corresponding battery on the port flight pod, nor are there any signs of this weapon later, when the starboard pod is seen drifting after Pegasus' death ride into the base-ship. I've also been unable to locate it on any of the other images of the starboard flight-pod I've been able to find. Is the turret an FX goof, or are the flight pods' armaments asymetrical?--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 03:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: There are turrets on the ''Pegasus'' flight pods. They can be seen in "[[The Captain's Hand]]"... I can grab a few screenshots, which I'll add to the ''Pegasus'' article later. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: Here's an image from "Captain's Hand": [[:Image:Pegasus flight pod turret.jpg]]. Is this what you're referring to, Grin Reaper? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:43, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::Negative. I know about those turrets. The one I'm talking about it on the ''top'' of the hangar, not underneath it, and on the leading edge of the flight-pod. [http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2750/pegasus02pv0.jpg here] is a good shot. You can see it firing there, and it looks like it's just about in line with the first spar, but in the [http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6585/pegasus05sa6.jpg shot] of the drifting pod, it isn't there, and there's definately no corresponding weapon on the port pod. {{unsigned|Grin Reaper}}
:Wouldn't the assumption be that it was blown/shorn off sometime before/during the destruction of the Pegasus? --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 08:03, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::I considered that. However, I couldn't see any wreckage or broken plating around where the battery would be on the starboard pod and there is literally ''no'' sign whatsoever of a battery in the same place on the port pod, either in this episode, or any others. Hence the reason I'm asking for clarification here.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 18:07, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

==Charlie Connor / Another name clarification==
The IMDB currently lists [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0730455/ Ryan Robbins] as the character ''Charlie Connor''. Now we know that his last name is [[Connor]] but I was wondering if his first name was fanon (anyone can edit the imdb) or if its actually taken from an official source? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:30, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

::Connor is listed in the Cast section of the script of Collaborators with his given name, Charlie. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:47, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Cheers much :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:10, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest stars in Exodus, Part 2 ==

I was curious about the names of some actors in the episode that weren't credited:

--The Viper pilot with the call sign of Red Wing. Hot Dog talks to him over the wireless as they launch off Galactica over New Caprica.

--The actor who played Kacey's real mother. There is no character name given either. She found Kacey toward the end of the episode just as Kara was about to introduce Kacey as her own daughter.

--The baby who portrayed Hera/Isis.

Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 01:41, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

== Chadwick in "Collaborators" ==

We only saw the character Chadwick in a photo as the Circle debated her fate near the halfway point of the "Collaborators" episode. I was wondering who the actor is. Is the person an actor or is it a friend or relative of one of the production staff? I find these little tidbits interesting. Thanks for any answers on this. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:31, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

2006-10-31T05:28:13Z

123home123: Added Chadwick the collaborator

==Dark==
I get a feeling this'll be Season 3's "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:21, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

That or a season 3 spin on [[Litmus]]. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what becomes of Jammer and Gaeta. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Screenshots==
Anyone else check out the screenshots on the Sci Fi site? Did you notice that priest who is swearing in Roslin? He looks like the Lumberg character from the movie "Office Space." --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:17, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Ok... this is my idea. Three hours before the episode, we sysop protect this page. Once the episode is aired/finshed on it's first round 9pm to 10pm, we unlock it. What this will do is keep the server queries down on the server before the mad rush. Talking with steelviper about this, he suggested we have three sub-pages off the episode guide, Summary, Questions, and Anylsis for people to work on during the episode. This will keep the conflicts down and the server in tip top shape. Before we unlock the main episode page.... we as sysops (Mop boys) would transfer the information from these pages to the guide and then kill the subpages. We need a {{tl|currently airing}} template to help with the links, but it be a start to keeping the server smooth after an episode airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:31, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Part of me worries about locking users out, especially while the episode is airing. That might be confusing, and that's bound to be a peak time of contribution. On the other hand, if users can't access the page to begin with, then we're not in any better a position. If having subpages allows people to continue to contribute real-time with the episode, and with transclusions allowing the changes to be visible real-time, it might be a way to allow people the thrill of striking while the iron is hot without crushing the server. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Clues ==
I didn't tape the episode, but maybe someone who did might be able to tell...what rank insignia was Lee wearing when he met his father? --[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 02:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)Dallan007
:It's obscured by a fold in Lee's uniform for a lot of the scene (he should really get on to his tailor about bringing in his uniform, since he's losing weight), but it '''looks''' like Commander rank insignia. It's definitely no less than Colonel (the circle in the centre is quite distinct). --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 05:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree, it definitely appears to be a Commander's insignia. There's a distinct section ''behind'' the diamond with the colonial seal, ie the silver plate we see on the Commander pin. It'd help if someone has any relatively high-res caps, all I can get are 640x352 --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::: There hasnt been a hi-def airing yet so thats the best we got atm :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:40, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Resurrection ship reappears ==

Did anyone else notice that in at least one of the establishing shots of the Cylon fleet we see a resurrection ship, in addition to the basestars?

Also note the veritable swarms of raiders...

It looks like the Cylons have been busy cranking out new troops for a return to heavy battle. {{unsigned|Spidey3}}

::And since they have a new Resurrection Ship, coupled with the fact that the Cylons are again discriminating, for want of a better phrase, against humans... I'd say our rag-tag fleet has something to worry about ;) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:50, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I count 5 Basestars and 1 Resurrection ship. Quite a force. I bet Lee Adama will be wishing he didn't use the Pegasus to play bumper cars when he sees that fleet..... -- [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I counted 6 Basestars surrounding the Resurrection Ship... [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 19:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

==The "third" time Six has used the "Don't make me angry, Gaius" threat==

Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: I don't remember anything like this after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who used this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::: OK, now the count is correct, but the whole sentence still isn't. Like I wrote before, it's Adama who used this phrase the second time, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::: You are more than welcome to edit it. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:46, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Nth Exodus==
I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here: Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer? As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::But judging his facial expression and body language, I thought he was surprised too. I agree that he would have been happy with a position even as a highranking advisor, but didn't reckon to be offered the VP slot --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Chadwick the collaborator==
Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

2006-10-31T05:19:05Z

123home123: /* Screenshots */

==Dark==
I get a feeling this'll be Season 3's "Flesh and Bone." --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 19:21, 16 October 2006 (CDT)

That or a season 3 spin on [[Litmus]]. Either way, I'm looking forward to see what becomes of Jammer and Gaeta. --[[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 15:27, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

==Screenshots==
Anyone else check out the screenshots on the Sci Fi site? Did you notice that priest who is swearing in Roslin? He looks like the Lumberg character from the movie "Office Space." --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 00:17, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:The actor you note from ''OfficeSpace'' is Gary Cole. The priest shown is not Cole. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:52, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::Are there any screenshots available of that close shot of the survivor list, with the names? I meant to tape the episode but (dang it) missed it. Mainly I'm just after the names. --[[User:Sasoriza|Sasoriza]] 06:20, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Ok... this is my idea. Three hours before the episode, we sysop protect this page. Once the episode is aired/finshed on it's first round 9pm to 10pm, we unlock it. What this will do is keep the server queries down on the server before the mad rush. Talking with steelviper about this, he suggested we have three sub-pages off the episode guide, Summary, Questions, and Anylsis for people to work on during the episode. This will keep the conflicts down and the server in tip top shape. Before we unlock the main episode page.... we as sysops (Mop boys) would transfer the information from these pages to the guide and then kill the subpages. We need a {{tl|currently airing}} template to help with the links, but it be a start to keeping the server smooth after an episode airs. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:31, 26 October 2006 (CDT)
:Part of me worries about locking users out, especially while the episode is airing. That might be confusing, and that's bound to be a peak time of contribution. On the other hand, if users can't access the page to begin with, then we're not in any better a position. If having subpages allows people to continue to contribute real-time with the episode, and with transclusions allowing the changes to be visible real-time, it might be a way to allow people the thrill of striking while the iron is hot without crushing the server. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:36, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Clues ==
I didn't tape the episode, but maybe someone who did might be able to tell...what rank insignia was Lee wearing when he met his father? --[[User:Dallan007|Dallan007]] 02:37, 28 October 2006 (CDT)Dallan007
:It's obscured by a fold in Lee's uniform for a lot of the scene (he should really get on to his tailor about bringing in his uniform, since he's losing weight), but it '''looks''' like Commander rank insignia. It's definitely no less than Colonel (the circle in the centre is quite distinct). --[[User:Barry|Barry]] 05:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, I agree, it definitely appears to be a Commander's insignia. There's a distinct section ''behind'' the diamond with the colonial seal, ie the silver plate we see on the Commander pin. It'd help if someone has any relatively high-res caps, all I can get are 640x352 --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:48, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
::: There hasnt been a hi-def airing yet so thats the best we got atm :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:40, 29 October 2006 (CST)

== Resurrection ship reappears ==

Did anyone else notice that in at least one of the establishing shots of the Cylon fleet we see a resurrection ship, in addition to the basestars?

Also note the veritable swarms of raiders...

It looks like the Cylons have been busy cranking out new troops for a return to heavy battle. {{unsigned|Spidey3}}

::And since they have a new Resurrection Ship, coupled with the fact that the Cylons are again discriminating, for want of a better phrase, against humans... I'd say our rag-tag fleet has something to worry about ;) --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 09:50, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I count 5 Basestars and 1 Resurrection ship. Quite a force. I bet Lee Adama will be wishing he didn't use the Pegasus to play bumper cars when he sees that fleet..... -- [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:04, 28 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I counted 6 Basestars surrounding the Resurrection Ship... [[User:Hmoul|Seattle Cylon]] 19:01, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

==The "third" time Six has used the "Don't make me angry, Gaius" threat==

Isn't it the second? I don't remember another one between Litmus and Collaborators. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 13:12, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: I think you may be right... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:08, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:: I don't remember anything like this after Litmus either. Furthermore, it's Adama who used this phrase in Collaborators, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 23:34, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::: OK, now the count is correct, but the whole sentence still isn't. Like I wrote before, it's Adama who used this phrase the second time, not Six. -- [[User:Spike|Spike]] 11:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::: You are more than welcome to edit it. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:46, 30 October 2006 (CST)

==Nth Exodus==
I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik|Larrik]]
::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)

== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==
I didn' think there was enough to pose this question on the article page so I'm posing it here: Did anybody think that Zarek was honestly surprised by Roslin's offer? As in, he probably was looking for something less than that or if he was after VP, he didn't think that she would offer it right away? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:09, 29 October 2006 (CST)
: We don't know what exacly Zarek's thinking, which is what makes him such a compelling character in the first place. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:28, 29 October 2006 (CST)
::But judging his facial expression and body language, I thought he was surprised too. I agree that he would have been happy with a position even as a highranking advisor, but didn't reckon to be offered the VP slot --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 02:51, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques

2006-10-27T06:41:08Z

123home123: Guest stars in Exodus, Part 2

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== Who's the Mop Guy? ==

Hi there. We have a humorous article dedicated to our administrators: [[Mop Boy]]. We have a screencap of a ''Galactica'' crewman who is mopping the floor in the documentary of "[[Final Cut]]" (which, metaphorically, is what admins do). Did that character have a name? If not, can you give him an unofficial one? "The Unknown Mopper" is the administrator's patron saint. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:40, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::I'll ask Mark to give him a name when I get back to LA - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:56, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Hamish "Skulls" McCall ==
Hello Mr. Bradley, is there a rank available for Hamish "Skulls" McCall? Is he Ensign, Lieutenant JG, or Lieutenant? I imagine that he's not anything higher. Also, is he Racetrack's ECO or Co-Pilot? Somebody was calling him a co-pilot and I didn't know if maybe he was a converted Raptor pilot because of ECO shortages or something like that but I figured I'd ask. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 23:12, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

::Hi, Straycat. I have no official rank on Skulls -- you'll have to look at his pips. Skulls is currently an ECO, but all ECO's are cross-trained with piloting skills. Attrition has forced some (such as Racetrack and Helo) to assume pilot in command duties more than once. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:21, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Apollo's pilot wings ==

Is there a particular reason why Apollo is wearing junior wings in Season 3 while he's wearing senior wings in "The Captain's Hand" (I think) and LDYB? Personally I prefer that the wings signify actual piloting experience and aren't just awarded together with becoming Major or Colonel. But aside from it being a possible error, there might be some in-universe reason for the change. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::Lee's promotion to Major in Captain's Hand brought with it the senior pilot rank badges, as he started out as a pilot and the skill level that got him the Major's rank also warranted the new wings. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:24, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::So why did he lose them in Season 3 then? Other senior officers still have theirs despite not being active pilots anymore. Like Cain, Adama or Tigh --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 08:29, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Good question. You'll have to scare up somebody in costume to track that. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:19, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Colonial Calendar ==

In Precipice when Baltar is singning the death varent. There is clearly seen '''SIGNED THIS SECOND DAY OF 3454-91''' over his signature.

Does it mean '''Tuesday (second day), 91st day of year 3454 after The Exodus from Kobol?'''

[http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/6017/bscap0000uo3.jpg Screencap] --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 14:17, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

: It all depends on when the week starts. A week can start on either Sunday or Monday -- and there has been absolutely no evidence that they use those names to denote days of a week. There are also too many variables to determine whether or not it has been 3454 years since The Exodus from Kobol. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:01, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:: Well, that's why am I asking Mr. Thmpson. "91" can also mean 91st week of year... --[[User:Deus|Deus]] 15:14, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::: 91st week of the year? This doesn't compute, given it's been pretty much established repeatedly that the Colonial time or calendar is really no different than the Gregorian calendar or the 24-hour system we use on this spec of dust. :-) For comparison, there are only 52 weeks in a standard Earth year. Also, it has been previously established that the exodus occured 2,000 years ago; so the Exodus is discounted as being "Year 1" in the Colonial calendar. However, any answers that Mr. Thompson can provide in this regard would doubtless be appreciated. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

:Interesting find. Maybe it's some weird Cylon way of timekeeping --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 15:54, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::::For that matter, is Mars Day a holiday or a day of the week? The days of the week on Earth are named after gods, Norse gods in English and Roman gods in Italic languages. ex. English: Tuesday, named for the Norse war god Tyr; French: Mardi, named for the Roman war god Mars. English: Friday, named for the Norse love goddess Freya; French: Vendredi, named for the Roman love goddess Venus. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Scriptural Reference ==
Mr. Bradley, was it intended that Colonel Tigh was making a scriptural reference to the colonial scriptures when he said: "Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the garden of paradise sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. Surprised you didn't know that." This feels and sounds very like he is refering to some 'Colonial Bible' and the expressions on Tyrol's and Anders' faces give me that sense? Was that the intent from the writers room with that saying? Gotta say that I loved some of the dialog in Occuprice and can't wait till it comes out on iTunes.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:24, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

::I haven't read all of Colonial scripture, so I can't really speak to that. But it wouldn't surprise me if Saul Tigh did read the scriptures at some point in his life. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 23:16, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== We know what the cast looks like.. ==

But we have very few pictures of the [[:Category:Crew|Crew]]. Any chance you can round up a digital camera and do a group and individual photos? :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:24, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Nope. I already got a message from TPTB that there will be no unofficial photos coming from this source. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:27, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::: TPTB? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:15, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:::: The Powers that Be. I imagine its more or less for privacy and confidentiality reasons. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 23:22, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::::: Roger. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:25, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
:We have a few crew pictures, but I can't ID them. [[:md:Category:Seeking Official Information]]
::Left Image - In the center is Supervising Producer Harvey Frand, who works miracles in Vancouver by making the impossible happen regularly for miniscule budgets. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Center Image - The guy on the left is VFX Supervisor Gary Hutzel, Master of Visual FX. Without him, the ships don't fly, the nukes don't explode. Much of what you love about this show comes out of his brain. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:38, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
::Right Image - is Harvey Frand, whom you met on the left. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:40, 19 October 2006 (CDT)
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Image:David Erik, RDM, and Unkown.jpg|I have no clue. David is one the left, RDM on the right, and Center...well is the Question :)
Image:Edward James Olmos and Unkown.jpg|Dir. of Photography?
Image:Unkown2.jpg|I still have no clue.
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== Erica Cerra back [[Exodus, Part I]]? ==

Is she back just for these few episodes or was this another actress or a standin? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:09, 14 October 2006 (CDT)

::It's her. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:54, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Gunnery Sgt Mathias ==

Hi, I was directed to ask these questions here; they were initially posed at the "[[Exodus, Part I]]" [[Talk:Exodus, Part I#Gunnery Sgt Mathias|talk page]].

1. First off, is she one of ''Pegasus''' onboard company? She doesn't look familiar to ''Galactica'', and [[Hadrian]]'s reputedly the seniormost Marine onboard the latter ship. My guess is the former rather than the latter, but it's never stated.
::We often don't state things until there's a compelling reason to state them, such as where Mathias came from or what her story is. It may play into future episodes, but until then, we keep you guessing. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

2. This one ties into 1: considering the above, why is she so (relatively) friendly with Sharon? There might be some leeway if she stood Brig duty and got to know Sharon, but then that would prove contrary to the Hadrian issue, not to mention that it's highly unlikely someone as senior as a Gunnery Sgt would be standing brig duty. OTOH, if she's a Marine from ''Pegasus'', she obviously should have a marked level of disgust about taking orders from a "skinjob". Granted, military professionalism and bearing might play a role in overriding that disgust, but Sharon's nature as a Cylon can't be denied, regardless of what side she's on. Additionally, she may have been posted to brig watch while Sharon was in ''Pegasus''' brig, but again, there's the rank vs. watchstanding issue.

::See what fun you're having? It's been said in drama that one good question is better than a dozen good answers. But you don't make gunnery sergeant without learning to obey the rank, not the person. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:45, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

Just a few thoughts that came to mind. Thanks for your time.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 00:30, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::You're most welcome. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:59, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== New episode names ==
Hello Mr. Thompson, we have a couple more "working titles" if you'd care to confirm them as such: Episode 15/16 - Dirty Hands, Episode 16/17 - Maelstrom. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 22:41, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::So far, "Dirty Hands" is the title of Episode 15. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:46, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

:::BTW, "Download City" is Seelix's slang for wherever Cylons go to get resurrected. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 22:51, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

::::Darn. Oh well.. i liked the idea of a city. lol. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 23:14, 19 October 2006 (CDT)

== Episode Numbering ==
Mr. Thompson, you are counting "Dirty Hands" as the title of episode 15. This means that Occupation and Precipice are the same episode. But Ron in his podcast calls them episodes 3.01 and 3.02 which would make "Dirty Hands" episode 16. What do you guys consider "Occupation/Precipice", a.k.a. "Occuprice", Episodes 1 and 2, Episodes 1 and 1.5 or just episode 1? And then Exodus, Part I is then episode 2 or episode 3? --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:04, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
: Given [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive05|this original list that Mr. Thompson provided]], he's counting "Occupation" and "Precipice" as episode 1.0 and 1.5 respetively. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:15, 20 October 2006 (CDT)
:: Just to add further clarity, like Joe said the production staff is using the 1.0 and 1.5, and everyone else is not (I think). It was easier for the wiki to go with Precipice as 2.0, because it matches the info at scifi.com and the podcasts. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:19, 20 October 2006 (CDT)

== Why weren't more Colonial factions visible on New Caprica? ==

Over 2 seasons, you've shown us that Colonials aren't the same.
They have different cultures, and internal conflicts.

Going into season 3, I expected to see sharp differences within New-Caprican society:
Different strategies, power-plays, and sophisticated reactions to the Cylon presence.
Instead, we only saw things through the prism of the Tigh-Vs-Baltar conflict.

The popularily-elected Quorum members were nowhere to be seen.
Zarek was completely sidelined.
The religous establishment was hardly seen.
The 'peace movement', who believed in Six's 'unity' platform were unseen/unheard of.
''ETC.''

'''What prevented the writers from playing up inter-Colonial differences?'''

--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 03:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

: I'm going to guess lack of screen time. It can probably be assumed that the extremist colonial groups fell into the respective resit/collaborate camps, with a lot of messiness in the intervening months. The relative quiet of the Cylons' "crap, this isn't working" camp and the ascendency of the "see, told you it wouldn't" camp has many RL examples. --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 18:47, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::I agree that there wasn't time, unless you wanted to run four more eps on New Caprica. As for [[Gina]]'s "[[Demand Peace]]" movement, it seems that the bulk, if not all, went up in the radioactive boom along with ''Cloud 9''.--[[User:Mitsukai|み使い]] ''[[User_talk:Mitsukai|Mitsukai]]'' 21:58, 23 October 2006 (CDT)

'''If what you guys say is correct, then doesn't this kill the tapestry of the Colonials?'''
Before this 'occupation' storyline, Roslin faced convincing challenges from the above elements. But now, she's a war hero who won the day. While the others were MIA, or talentless. Who can convincingly mount dissent in Colonial society now? ''Perhaps if they had implied that the quorum was in hiding; that the Geminese held protests; or that the prisoners rioted (ala Bastille Day);..it would maintain that Roslin wasn't the only Colonial leader fighting.'' So I'm wondering if the writers actively wanted to end the internal Colonial conflicts. Unify the fleet, in order to go after Cylons?
--[[User:Ashoka|Ashoka]] 00:09, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

== Shaver ==

A few of us at my college, where I go to the BSG parties, are wondering if we can get real working replica of Adama's shaver. Any one we should contact? ;-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:26, 22 October 2006 (CDT)
:Thats the most odd request for a replica prop i've ever heard :D --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:11, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
:::We avoid passing on that information as it may be construed as a plug for a product. You used to be able to get them from the big discount houses on Picon. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:49, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Pegasus starboard flight pod ==

In Exodus part 2, when Pegasus comes to Galactica's rescue and flies past the camera firing, a main battery turret can be seen firing from the foreward dorsal surface of the starboard flight-pod. However, there is no corresponding battery on the port flight pod, nor are there any signs of this weapon later, when the starboard pod is seen drifting after Pegasus' death ride into the base-ship. I've also been unable to locate it on any of the other images of the starboard flight-pod I've been able to find. Is the turret an FX goof, or are the flight pods' armaments asymetrical?--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 03:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: There are turrets on the ''Pegasus'' flight pods. They can be seen in "[[The Captain's Hand]]"... I can grab a few screenshots, which I'll add to the ''Pegasus'' article later. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:56, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
: Here's an image from "Captain's Hand": [[:Image:Pegasus flight pod turret.jpg]]. Is this what you're referring to, Grin Reaper? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:43, 23 October 2006 (CDT)
::Negative. I know about those turrets. The one I'm talking about it on the ''top'' of the hangar, not underneath it, and on the leading edge of the flight-pod. [http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/2750/pegasus02pv0.jpg here] is a good shot. You can see it firing there, and it looks like it's just about in line with the first spar, but in the [http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6585/pegasus05sa6.jpg shot] of the drifting pod, it isn't there, and there's definately no corresponding weapon on the port pod. {{unsigned|Grin Reaper}}
:Wouldn't the assumption be that it was blown/shorn off sometime before/during the destruction of the Pegasus? --[[User:PrePressChris|PrePressChris]] 08:03, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
::I considered that. However, I couldn't see any wreckage or broken plating around where the battery would be on the starboard pod and there is literally ''no'' sign whatsoever of a battery in the same place on the port pod, either in this episode, or any others. Hence the reason I'm asking for clarification here.--[[User:Grin Reaper|Grin Reaper]] 18:07, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

==Charlie Connor / Another name clarification==
The IMDB currently lists [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0730455/ Ryan Robbins] as the character ''Charlie Connor''. Now we know that his last name is [[Connor]] but I was wondering if his first name was fanon (anyone can edit the imdb) or if its actually taken from an official source? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 18:30, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

::Connor is listed in the Cast section of the script of Collaborators with his given name, Charlie. - [[User:Ngarenn|Ngarenn]] 18:47, 26 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest stars in Exodus, Part 2 ==

I was curious about the names of some actors in the episode that weren't credited:

--The Viper pilot with the call sign of Red Wing. Hot Dog talks to him over the wireless as they launch off Galactica over New Caprica.

--The actor who played Kacey's real mother. There is no character name given either. She found Kacey toward the end of the episode just as Kara was about to introduce Kacey as her own daughter.

--The baby who portrayed Hera/Isis.

Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 01:41, 27 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Collaborators/Archive 1

2006-10-24T05:17:18Z

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Talk:Exodus, Part II/Archive 1

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Talk:Exodus, Part II/Archive 1

2006-10-24T03:17:25Z

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Talk:Exodus, Part II/Archive 1

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Talk:Exodus, Part II/Archive 1

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Talk:Precipice/Archive 1

2006-10-16T18:06:32Z

123home123: /* Casey */ Corrected spelling of Kacey

: For earlier discussions in this talk page prior to October 3, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Precipice&oldid=81257 click here].

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==Production Number==
What's up with "Episode 1.5"? Shouldn't this count as episode 2 of the season, even if it's being aired as a 2-hour premiere? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:53, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:Thats what ive always said, but for some reason all the episode numbering is messed up. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:35, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:The writers officially count "Occupation / Precipice" as one episode. Bradley Thompson said that there will probably be only one intro. So "Precipice" still belongs to episode 1 (hence 1.5) and Season 3 only has 19 episodes on paper --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:21, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::However, in terms of budgeting and production, "Occupation/Precipice" was 3.01 and 3.02, while "Exodus, Part I" and "Exodus, Part II" were both 3.03. Clearly our numbering system shouldn't reflect the vagaries of production, or else both parts of "Resurrection Ship" would be episodes 2.11 and Season 2 would only have 19 episodes.
::At the same time, we should ask - were "Occupation" and "Precipice" truly edited into a single episode, or is SciFi simply airing two episodes back to back on premiere night? In the event of the former, there should be a single entry for both "Occupation" and "Precipice". In the latter, they should retain separate entries, and each should have their own episode number (and none of this "1.5" business). --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:34, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::FWIW, [http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=6-OCT-2006&feed_req SciFi's schedule] has the premiere listed as a single two-hour block under the title "The Occupation/Precipice". I'd lay good money on them splitting it into two episodes for syndication, though. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 05:37, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Well, you could wait until the episodes have aired and edit it then. But I asked Mr. Thompson about just this, and he said "I have not seen the transition yet, but I believe it will be one episode. Which is why Episode 19 is the season 3 finale" in BW:OC. Good point about syndication though. Maybe the place where the break would be is cleary visible. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:43, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::Having given it considerable thoght, I think the best reason not to merge them into a single article is that I don't want to be citing ([[The Occupation/Precipice]]) as a single unit for the rest of time. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 06:15, 3 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::One thing I think people aren't getting that that there ARE 20 episodes. "Occuprice" is episode 1, Exodus part 1 is episode 2, so on, totaling up to twenty. (I think) --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:13, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Whoops, scratch my previous comment that was here, I was wrong. For what it's worth, my DirecTV guide has it as a single two hour airing. With a repeat right after. Methinks that'll be good if there's a podcast for em.--[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 13:13, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::There are twenty ''hours'', and (if Occupation/Precipice is counted as one episode) nineteen episodes. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:34, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:Why not refer to Occupation/Precipice as "Episode 1," the following episode as "Episode 3," place a link to "Episode 1" on the Precipice page, and whenever Precipice is referred to as a separate episode, call it "Episode 2." Put a brief summary of Precipice in the Episode 2 article, put anything specific to Episode 2 in that article (if, say, there is a single Episode 2 podcast), and refer to the combined page for everything else. [[User:Joe n bloe|Joe n bloe]] 12:59, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

===Suggestion===
Here's a thought: Let's follow SciFi's lead with the podcasts. If they put up podcasts for two four-act shows, we'll keep it as two episodes; if they put up a single podcast for an eight-act show, we'll merge them into a single Occupation/Precipice article. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:38, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
:Ya know, so far this is the best suggestion in this whole conversation because I somehow get the feeling that they at scifi are themselves not yet certain about what to call these 2 opening 5 act pieces,but by the time the show starts on Friday, I'm sure they will have it figured out so let's not do their job for them and try to guess what they will do. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 16:08, 4 October 2006 (AST)
::I suggest we wait till they air, and see if there's an end between the two. For what it's worth, my DirecTV onscreen guide is showing one two hour block with a repeat right after it. That'll be nice for the podcasts, watch the episode, then right after watch it with commentary. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:21, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
Moore refers to the show as "Occupation/Precipice" in his [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/10/#a001414 latest blog entry]. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:04, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:RDM often will lead off each podcast with (outside the I'm RDM, etc.) "and this is episode X of season Y, 'Z'". That may provide some insight as well if he continues that practice. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 06:53, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/season03/ SciFi.com] gives the two-hour premiere production numbers 301 and 302. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 01:36, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:Using the second content warning after the ''bombing'' as the start of ''Precipice''. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 06:43, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
::RDM states this on the podcast too. Baltar/Roslin cell scene is the first of ''Precipice''. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Exactly what I was going to say but noticed my comment didnt post (edit conflict) hehe --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:04, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::Agree. Two ''different'' episodes. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 13:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

==Pic==
What's that gold thing on Helo's lapel/uniform? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:52, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:Here is a better pic [[:Image:Greys_Mini.JPG]]. I believe that it is a symbol for the twelve colonies. But Kat doesn't have it?? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:11, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:It's a version of the Colonial seal with a smaller Phoenix in the center: http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=26&pos=81 --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:17, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::If we don't have a pic here, we need it. :) --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:18, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::The best option is probably to make a high resolution screencap from DVD (if a suitable closeup is available). Episodes with dress grays: Miniseries, Act of Contrition, Home II --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
In the episode itself, Kat's Grays does have the lapel pin. I was specifically looking for it in the scene, it must be a mistake in this picture. --[[User:Talos|Talos]] 10:12, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:Yeah, made sure I checked that too. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 10:14, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

==Kacey==
I'd like to start a page for Kara's daughter, but I'm not really sure how to spell her name. Casey? Kasey? If it is Casey, we'll need to disambiguate, as there's already a pilot named that. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 13:47, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:I don't suppose anybody was watching with captions on? --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:22, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
::The credits have it has "Kacey" in the credits. Also, spelled that way the RDM Chicago Tribune article. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 14:51, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
::I had the captions on, and it was "Kacey". --[[User:ThesposAZ|ThesposAZ]] 02:37, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::I am a captions type of guy also. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:39, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
Hey on the Answers thing for Kara's Duaghter says 16 months. That can't be right because it had to come to termm which would take nine months so two months after Baltar becomes the presisdent and the episode is 16 months subtract 2 months and she would be 14 months old and not 16 months old.- Best Snorkel378
:Incorrect. Baltar was elected c. Day 280. The one-year jump brought us to c. Day 660 by the end of LDYB2. Occupation began on the 134th day of the Cylon occupation, bringing us to c. Day 794 - roughly 27 months after the holocaust. Kara's ovary was removed during The Farm, which took place roughly 2 months after the holocaust. Add nine months for gestation and we get 27-(2+9) = 16. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:36, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
::To clarify - your problem is that you're rounding dates down and the error is accumulating. The jump forward in LDYB2 was 380 days, which is about 12 and 2/3 months. Then the jump between LDYB2 and Occupation is 134 days, which is 4 and 1/2 months. On top of it, the election in LDYB2 didn't take place exactly 270 days after the holocaust - the debates lasted about ten days, which is another 1/3 month, and the events of "Downloaded" were ''also'' said to be about 9 months post-holocaust, which pushes LDYB2 a few days forward to make everything fit. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 14:48, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
Does anyone think that Kacey might have been deliberately injured while Kara was out of the room, to force her sentiments? The Cylons have been shown to inflict wounds on one another for the purpose of emotional manipulation before, to encourage feelings of love between humans and Cylons (the Litmus episode). Since Kara's imprisonment seems to be one big mind game, I can't shake this feeling. --[[User:tt25|tt25]] 15:57, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
: I believe this to be likely. However, this is assuming that Kasey is Kara's biological child -- or even a hybrid at all. Kasey could just as easily be a child they picked up off the streets of New Caprica to mind-frak Kara. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 15:51, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:: I think, the actress does not fit to Kasey's age of 16 month. Children do their first steps, when they are about one year old. Kasey trampolines on the sofa and runs around. Her behaviour is too safe. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 11:53, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
:::She is however a human/cylon hybrid and might not necesserily match human development. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 12:06, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::::The producers have been clear that Hera, another human/Cylon hybrid, will not have unusually fast growth. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 12:44, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::::: If anything, Hera has unusually SLOW growth. The scene where her adopted mother goes to be with her at the end of season 2 shows a baby, yet this was clearly 12+ months after she was born. She should have been larger and such. [[User:Bstone|Bstone]] 03:11, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::: She was born prematurely. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 19:48, 12 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Was that even Hera then though, or was it just a random other baby being looked after in the school/creché? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 04:24, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::::It was named as "Isis", but the child's asian features, the fact that the mother was [[Maya]] (Hera's adopted mother in "[[Downloaded]]"), and (most tellingly) the white crib from Baltar's vision in "Kobol's Last Gleaming" imply that the child is Hera beyond all reasonable doubt. Also, recall that Roslin had intended to keep a close eye on the child, and note RDM's comments regarding an abandoned plotline featuring Hera/Isis in the Occuprice podcast. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 04:28, 10 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::I just want to bring up the fudge factor when determining kasey's age in that she could have been a premee just like Hera. You could add as much as 3 months to her development. So what was the guess, 16 months? Add 3 months to that as a fudge factor and you get 19 months, that's close to 2 years. And since Cylon related births have a history of difficulty (No Cylon/Cylon children, all known forced Cylon/Human pregnancy have fail -- The Farm, first known surviving Cylon/Human baby <Hera> was a premee), it's reasonable to figure in a fudge factor. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 14:32, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

== Citations ==

I added citations but it somehow made the spoiler text unreadable. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 11:56, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

:I noted this and was unsuccessful in adding them back myself as I was massively concising the article while you made the attempt. I am adding the links here (WARNING: These links go to interviews that contain spoilers and, as with the technical issues, can't be hidden.)

:*[http://www.mediablvd.com/magazine/Magazine-Home/MBMag_20060420145.html comments from Grace Park], [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?showtopic=5610 Dean Stockwell], and [http://z9.invisionfree.com/Ragnar_Anchorage/index.php?showtopic=5655 Tricia Helfer]

:--[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 18:05, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

::Does anyone have the copies of Battlestar Galactica Magazine so we can create official cites? I know these articles exist. but we really need the official "cite". --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:00, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

:::Agree. Linking to a members-only message board is hardly satisfactory. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 03:54, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
:::Concur. I have the July issue and will look for the comments. I may have the Grace Park issue as well to confirm. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:37, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Fairly sure that the Dean Stockwell comments are in the last issue, 7. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:26, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

Exodus, Part I

2006-10-16T02:03:04Z

123home123: /* Guest Stars */ Added Ryan Robbins based on end credits

{{Episode Data
| title= Exodus, Part I
| image=Roslinanders-Exodus.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 3
| guests=
| writer= [[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director= [[Félix Enríquez Alcalá]]
| production= 303
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-13
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev= [[Precipice]]
| next= [[Exodus, Part II]]
| goof=Y
}}

== Overview ==

:''The [[Cylons]] have begun the brutal crackdown on [[New Caprica]]'s [[Resistance]] movement. Tyrol receives disturbing news from a secret source within Baltar's administration while Colonial detainees face a Cylon firing squad on New Caprica. With time running out for the colonists, Admiral Adama will launch his rescue attempt with only the battlestar [[Galactica]], while his son, Lee, and the battlestar [[Pegasus]] remain to protect what is left of the human fleet and continue the search for Earth if the rescue fails.''

== Summary ==

*The final moments of "[[Precipice]]" are reshown as the captured detainees being taken off the trucks. [[Cally Tyrol]] is freed, as the Centurions march up the hill. Tyrol continues to run as gunfire is heard. As the screen goes to black, the words "One Hour Earlier" are displayed.
*[[Galen Tyrol]] is frantically talking with [[Saul Tigh]] about a list of detainees he received from his [[Felix Gaeta|source]], Cally Tyrol is among the listed. Tigh snaps him back to his senses, noting that they can locate the people now that they cracked the Cylons' coordinate system.
*Chief Tyrol immediately gets to work, succesfully calculating the location of the execution, and gathers a team to rescue Cally and the others.
*Tyrol's team, including [[Seelix]], is able to catch up with the Cylons, and get in position as Cally Tyrol starts running. Tyrol rushes out and gets his wife out of the line of fire, as his team takes out the Centurions meant to execute the detainees. Others injured include some members of the [[NCP]] and the [[Cavil]] that accompanies the truck.
*Seelix leaves a wounded Cavil to death. After he downloads into a new body, the Cavil reports that he ended his own life, but is somewhat traumatized from the transfer process.
*At [[Breeder's Canyon]], similar to the scene at the [[Pergamus Flats]], a flashback shows how [[marines]] move into position to defend the meeting there against a possible attack.
[[Image:Colonial RPG.jpg|thumb|150px|right|Colonial Marine with an RPG]]
*[[Sharon Agathon]] moves ahead to meet with [[Samuel Anders|Anders]] and the resistance. As Agathon and Anders discuss their plans, the Centurions attack, taking out some of the resistance fighters, but are soon destroyed by a marine RPG.
*After the attack, a map is recovered from one of the [[Cylon agent|'skinjobs']]. Anders recognizes it as the hand-drawn map passed on to [[Ellen Tigh]] to destroy in the heating fire within their tent. Anders immediately suspects Tigh in tipping off the Cylons.
*While sleeping, [[Number Three]] dreams of a tent near some odd rock edifices. The next image is of her holding [[Hera]]. She wakes up suddenly.
*On ''[[Colonial One]]'', [[Gaius Baltar]] and [[Caprica-Six]] lie together in bed, but Baltar is fighting with impotence. Six is understanding, but Baltar shrugs off her sympathy.
*[[Kara Thrace]] is showing further affection for [[Kacey]] and apologizes for her getting hurt. [[Leoben Conoy]] watches from the background.
*Distrubed by her dream, [[Three]] visits [[Selloi]], a human [[oracle]] whose tent she saw in her dream, who tells her that [[Hera]] is still alive, but warns that holding the child will undo all that the Cylons have accomplished on the planet.
*On ''[[Galactica]]'', a combined crew of ''[[Pegasus (RDM)|Pegasus]]'' and ''Galactica'' crews ready for the rescue mission. [[Margaret Edmondson]] conducts a [[Salt Line Ceremony|ceremony]] to bind the people together, given the odds of the mission.
*[[William Adama|William]] and [[Lee Adama]] have a farewell of their own when Commander Adama leaves ''Galactica'' for ''Pegasus'', with orders to wait 18 hours for ''Galactica'''s return. Otherwise, ''Pegasus'' must continue the search for Earth with the surviving [[The Fleet (RDM)|members of the Fleet]].
*Three inquires with Dr. [[Cottle]], who is treating a Cylon wounded by a human attack, about Hera's alleged death.
*[[Laura Roslin]] orders Anders to guard [[Maya]] and [[Hera]] at all costs. He tasks two of his best men to protect her and see to her safe escape.
*Gunnery Sergeant [[Mathias]], the leader of Agathon's Marines, meets with Roslin, [[Tom Zarek]] and the resistance to discuss the rescue plan. She brings weapons for the upcoming fight and learns that the colonists conducted evacuation exercises under the guise of fire drills.
*A [[Cavil]] voices his despair at the continued bloodshed, [[Gaius Baltar|Baltar]] agrees. Many of the Cylons disagree significantly as to what to do to reestablish control. A [[Number Five]] says that, if the worse comes to worst, that they can just nuke the city.
*Saul Tigh learns of his wife's betrayal and is visibly shocked by it.
*Sharon Agathon heads into the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and gets the [[launch key]]s for the Colonial ship. Three enters the secured room, immediately recognizes her, stops Agathon and tells her that [[Hera|her daughter]] is alive. Unwilling to consider this matter for now, Agathon shoots the Three in the legs: "Adama wouldn't lie to me."
*''Galactica'' is given word that the launch keys have been retrieved, and after a rousing speech by Admiral Adama, begins preparations for the jump to New Caprica.

== Questions ==

*Roslin and Zarek seem to have reconciled their differences and become friends. Given Saul Tigh's feeling that Roslin will resume the Presidency once humanity has left [[New Caprica]], and that Zarek used to be Baltar's Vice, will he assume the mantle of Vice-President under Laura Roslin?
**Or will he claim the presidency in legal succession after Baltar has been removed from it?
*A Cavil mentions that he has different sensations after each download. A slight headache after the first and after the third a white hot poker in his skull. Is there damage to the consciousness during each downloading and is there a point where after so many downloads the consciousness is destroyed?
**Most likely there is some sort of mental trauma from dying and rebirth.
**Although not sapient, Sharon talks of a similar traumatizing due to repeated deaths in regard to [[Scar (Raider)|Scar]].
***In the podcast, [[Ronald D. Moore]] revealed that the intent was to show that there is a "cost" associated with downloading.
****Additionally, [[Leoben Conoy]] has been downloaded at least five times, possibly six if the "[[Flesh and Bone]]" death is counted seperately. Given that Conoy has not voiced the same problems, does the downloading process affect the various cylon models differently?
*****Conoy may merely be voicing it off-camera or not at all.
*****Also, [[Number Three]] had commented in "[[Downloaded]]" on feeling refreshed like starting a new life when describing her download experience. [[Caprica-Six]] expressed adjustment issues but this may have been more due to her Baltar effect.
*Are the Gods real? Why are they sending accurate dreams to the Cylons? Why is the oracle helping the Cylons interpret the dreams?
**The Gods are "real" as historical entities that did live on Kobol - their status as actual "gods" has not been determined. The Colonials are capable of prescient dreams and visions (usually with the aid of Chamalla), and the humanoid Cylons are based on human DNA.
*Why does Doctor Cottle work to heal critically injured cylons instead of just letting them die and be ressurected?
**The Cylons might want to minimize the trauma of downloading into a new body.
**Cottle is also a physician, and has taken an oath to do no harm. Allowing a Cylon to die, regardless of the download capability, is breaching this oath through omission of action.
*Where is "[[Download City]]"?
**It is possible that [[Seelix|Seelix's]] use of the phrase "Download City" is merely a euphemism for the download process the humanoid Cylon models go through.
**It may also be a reference to a possible downloading facility present on New Caprica.
*Is there any possibility at all that Adama wasn't aware of Roslin's plans for Hera?
**There are no direct indications that Adama is aware of Roslin's conspiracy regarding the baby. Given the positive changes in his relationship with Sharon, that seems to now be based on complete mutual trust, it is unlikely that he would keep such a profound secret from her, if he was aware of it.
**Dr. Cottle is a military officer and his actions would have to have been cleared through Adama. There may well be other reasons that Sharon wasn't told, including keeping the information from the Cylons in the event she was captured or downloaded.
***In military parlance, the president's authority supersedes that of an Admiral, and a military officer does not need to report back to his commanding officer orders that originated from the president.
**The expression on Adama's face during his conversation with Sharon in "[[Occupation]]" suggests that he is aware of the conspiracy regarding Hera.
***Said expression may also be a reference to his guilt over the whole situation with Sharon/Boomer/Number Eight in general, and not a specific reference to Hera.
*What other operations are the Cylons busy with elsewhere in the universe, that are straining their resources for their experiment on New Caprica (also referenced to by Ron Moore in his podcast)?
*Will some humans refuse to leave once the escape begins?
*Will the escapees block proven or suspected collaborators from boarding the escaping ships?
**How many, if any, of the New Caprica Police are publically known, and once the escape begins, what will be their ultimate fate?

== Analysis ==
* The [[Number Three]] that has been having dreams about Hera saw [[Sharon Agathon]] and was able to tell that she was the copy that had been left with Helo on Caprica. She may have deduced this from the fact that Sharon was taking the launch keys, or she may have been able to sense her identity somehow.
* Roslin's line about [[Hera]], "She may well be the shape of things to come", echoes similar lines by Six in "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]" and by Adama in "[[Valley of Darkness]]". "The Shape of Things to Come" is also the title of the orchestral music piece at the end of "[[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II]]".
*Anders seems to know, or at least suspect, what is so special about Maya's child.
*[[Caprica-Six]] has been [[Cylon rebirthing tank|redownloaded]] after her "death" in [[Precipice]]. She was not "boxed".

== Notes ==

* There is also a comic called ''[[Exodus!]]'', which covers the events of [[Battlestar Galactica (TOS)|the Original Series]]' episode, "[[Saga of a Star World]]" (Part 2).
* This is the first episode where viewers have seen an [[oracle]]. Oracles such as [[Pythia]] and [[Galen Tyrol]]'s mother have been mentioned but not seen.
* Tyrol inexplicably lost his beard before this episode. This was necessary because Aaron Douglas's scenes were shot weeks after the main part of the episode, when he had already shaved and it was felt that a fake beard would not be convincing.
*Chamalla is a bitter herb, and oracles sometimes use candy to sweeten it up.
*According to [[Ronald Moore]]'s podcast, in earlier drafts [[Jammer]] was going to die during the shootout at the execution site. However, he decided that the character would be used in later episodes of the season.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

*''Before Lee Adama departs ''Galactica'':''
:'''Admiral William Adama''': I'll see you at the rendezvous point.
:'''Commander Lee Adama''': Eighteen hours. Try not to be late.
:'''William Adama''': I'm getting old; I'm a little slow, but I'll be there.
:'''Lee Adama''': Gods, I wish I could talk you out of this...
:'''William Adama''': You can't. You tried.
:'''Lee Adama''': You know, Dad, um...
:'''William Adama''': Don't. Don't make me cry on my own hangar deck.

*''During the [[Salt Line Ceremony]] on the hangar deck:''
:'''Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson''': Their enemies will divide them, their colonies broken in the fiery chasm of space. The shining days renounced by a multitude of dark sacrifices. Yet still they will remain. Always together.

*''As Galactica prepares to return to New Caprica:''
:'''Admiral Adama''': This is the Admiral. You've heard the news. You know the mission. You should also know that there is only one way that this mission ends, and that's with the successful rescue of our people off of New Caprica. Look around you. Take a good look at the men and women that stand next to you. Remember their faces, for one day you will tell your children and your grandchildren that you served with such men and women as the universe has never seen. And together you accomplished a feat that will be told and retold down through the ages, and find immortality as only the Gods once knew. I'm proud to serve with you. Good hunting.

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]] (credit only)
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Amanda Plummer]] as [[Oracle]] [[Selloi Dodona|Selloi]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[Erica Cerra]] as [[Maya]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lt. [[Hoshi]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*Madeline Parker as [[Kacey]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[imdb:nm0669826|Eileen Pedde]] as [[Mathias]]
*[[imdb:nm0356501|Jennifer Halley]] as [[Seelix]]
*Ryan Robbins as [[Connor]]

== References ==
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{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Félix Enríquez Alcalá]]
[[Category:RDM]]

Talk:Kacey Brynn/Archive 1

2006-10-16T01:56:32Z

123home123: /* Starting a page */

==Starting a page==
Perhaps I'm being rash in creating this page before we have more conclusive data, but I have to assume that this character will be rather important. Obviously the page needs to be fleshed out, but there's not much to go off of, and I tried to avoid veering into speculation.

If anyone has a picture, that'd be great. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 20:31, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

:You did just fine, Alpha. I'm sure we'll get a photo here in the next few days. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:43, 8 October 2006 (CDT)

==The actor's name==
The end credits for Exodus, Part 1 list her as Madeline Parker, with the letter "e" occuring twice, not three times.
--[[User:123home123|123home123]] 20:56, 15 October 2006 (CDT)

Talk:Main Page/Archive6

2006-10-14T06:28:36Z

123home123: Added new section: Suggested addition to Main Page

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== Battlestar Wiki "referenced" ==
A "little bird" tipped me of to a [http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=doomsday_not_as_much_fun_as_you_d_think&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 Scientific American blog entry] that referenced Battlestar Wiki. It's kind of dangerous doing a direct link to wiki-content like that, but it's neat that we're being linked to. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:57, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:For those curious, [[User:Gmusser]] is the author of the blog entry. (This can be deduced from the link and the author's name.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:28, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Question: Should we be annoyed that someone used BattlestarWiki material in their magazine like that, or does it not matter because they're things he contributed to, or what?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:35, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::It doesn't strike me as a bad thing. Of course, I didn't check to see if the very similar wording was originally contributed by him; I'd imagine it was, so it'd be all positive. To work in a nitpick, so far as I can tell, it's not in the magazine, just online in their blog. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 04:41, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==External images not working amnymore==
See my user page. All external images are no just showing as links --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:54, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:That sounds like it's probably a Mediawiki setting that can be toggled. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, it happened to me, as well; I tend to assume the same thing about the cause. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:13, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Ive also noticed some odd things like the <nowki> tags and stuff arnt working properly, take a look at the box on the edit page where you can click the special characters and also the summaries on the recent edits. Has the wiki software been updated in the last few days to maybe have caused these little glitches? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 16:40, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I attempted to invoke {{tl|tl}} once or twice in edit summaries if that's what you mean, but I was forgetting that templates are not supposed to work in edit summaries. (It would do unfortunate things to upload summaries, for one thing.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:29, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::No this is something thats happened very recently. Edit this page and look at the bottom of the page. The code to add to your edits now is wrapped with <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki></nowiki> when it shoudl'nt parse that only the actual code in between. Its hard to explain but i think its related to the images not showing up Something has changed in the last week to make this all happen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:56, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::I'll look into this... it's probably a setting issue since I upgraded the Wiki software to MediaWiki 1.7.1. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:55, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Something else ive noticed. When you search for an article that has no page yet. Eg http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Wooyay it automaticly takes you to the edit page http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Wooyay&action=edit --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:30, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Actually, that was a change I made... I was trying to see something. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:31, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::I should have mentioned this but I noticed that if I hit ENTER key intead of clicking SEARCH, it gives the same behavior that Mercifull reports. (Maybe I shouldn't do that??).--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:05, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

== QotD ==

The quote is in need of an update. Would anybody be willing to do the honors? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 16:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
:Often I have to do a Crtl-F5 in IE on one of my computers to get it to refresh the QotD. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:15, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
::Depends on where you live also. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:18, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

The quote of the day today (October 7, 2006) is incorrect. It should be as follows:

Tyrol: You know, we need to figure out whose side we're on.
Tigh: Which side are we on. We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We're evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that.
-- [[User:123home123|123home123]]

== First person... ==

To get http://media.battlestarwiki.org/ active on their computer gets a [[Wikipedia:Cookie|cookie]]. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:36, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I win. Got it working 04:04, 18 August 2006 (CDT) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:04, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::I'm sorry, but I stole your cookie. Now I need some milk... :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:33, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

== New Season 3 Teaser ==

During the SG-1 200th episode. Did someone capture this?! There was some shots that were not in the ... well original one. :-D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:23, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:I will DVR the 1:00AM repeat. Thanks for the heads ups. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:30, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::it's a SciFi and Monk night. :-) (almost got the subdomains working with joe cept I have to do some reading so rewriting rules) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:36, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::This is the special. Not the episode it self, but I would get the show also. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::For some unexplicable reason, I didn't check the guide, like I always do on friday, when I got home or I would have been watching it (the special). I always DVR the 'Gates. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:54, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Did a quick writeup for the one on SG1-200 [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser#Teaser From SG1-200 | here]].--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:54, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::I Tivo'ed it on the first wave, some shots of Gatea, more Tigh (He's the "narrator") a great shot of Boomer (After entering the prison), Six. It was great, I haven't watched it again since I recorded it, but I will in a while (obviousley). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:48, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

Is this it? http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-galactica/episodetrailers.html --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 19:12, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:No, that is the Eureka teaser, which some of shots are in the this new one. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:34, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::They air different trailers for different shows? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 12:12, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I may have missed it, but I don't think they have aired the same exact teaser twice? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:17, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Media" Uploading ==

Now active. You can head over the the [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/ Media Wiki], sign up (with your same name), and start uploading. You won't be able to link the images to any articles pages just yet, but you can tag the image and upload them correctly for now. :) Enjoy! :) (Anyone have any ideas for a Main Page design?) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:21, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
: I was thinking of a smaller version of the Main Page design we have now. That would be fine by me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:02, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

== Technical ==

Typo under Sister Projects. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:30, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would have fixed it but I (being DUH!) couldn't figure out how to get to the page. When I click on the icon button beside "Sister" it stays on the home page. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:25, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
::doh. my fault. I'll change it in the [[BW:MAIN]] project so it won't happen again :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:30, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Fix is up on main page. Battlestar Wiki: 1 Confusing Navigation: 0. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:10, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

== Search Box ==

Merc and others have been suggestion to me that we move the search box after the "navigation" box. Just wanted to get some option before I made such a move. Let me know. :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:18, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'd lean towards "movin' on up". It's on my screen at 1280x1024, but I can imagine it'd easily fall off smaller resolutions, and it's pretty useful for getting around (especially once you're used to shortcuts, etc.) I'm really enjoying the bsgMonoBook, by the way! I'm less enthused about the color scheme than I am the fact that we've got a choice now. If you don't like it, you can always run your own skin (now). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Support as per discussion on gtalk. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:03, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Good idea. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, move it up, please. Just had the same idea. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:26, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::k. It will likly happen later tonight when go gets to do a nother update of the files. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:27, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::Done. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:42, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== Styles: Font style in edit box ==

I'm used to the fixed-width typeface in the editing box. Is this a new characteristic of the three skin options? I like the CSS for the most part, but it would be better to see text with a fixed width option more characteristic of wikis. Also, the Preview header text "This is only a preview; changes have not yet been saved!" shown in a article edit mode with the default BSG skin is so dark in my Firefox browser as to be unreadable. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:37, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Characterostic - Yes. I can change to what font. I am starting to hate the font in here myself because I can't see the wiki code very well. So give me a font and I will change it. Preview text - Sending to Joe for an upload. Minor mistake on my part. Anything else? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:47, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Will be back to the font that it was before on next update. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Done. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:43, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

==Airdates==
Holy cow! Being informative is good, but the Airdates section is continuing to grow unchecked. Any suggestions as to how we could slim down the look on the mainpage, but still have it be easy to access for people to find their respective airdates? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:00, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
: I know this might sound biased, but one idea is to just list the US, Canada and UK airdates on the main page, then list all the other country airdates on a subpage in a fashion similar to what we do with the Main Page news. Since most of our audience is going to be from those countries anyway, we may as well focus on them.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:52, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
::I too was wary of bias. However, realistically we can't fit everybody's airdates on the main page. I'd like to have that info here, but it's not our primary mission (we're not tvguide.com). I concur that we should select a cutoff for main page airdates and then store the rest on a separate page. Maybe a one-link depth (clicking the "airdates" icon would take you to the "All airdates" article, of which the "US/UK/CAN" is just one of the child templates. This would require a change to the main page (pointing to the new US/UK/CAN template), the creation of the US/UK/CAN template, and a massive redesign of Mainpage/airdates to accomodate the new "global airdate" scheme (as well as including a display/edit of the US/UK/CAN template). That'd be my best guess. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:03, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
::{{support}} Before it was a problem having no airdates. Now we have a ton. [[BW:TV]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:41, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It might be late for my suggestions, but I was waiting for an official information. Here: 1- It's now official, Space Channel will be following the SciFi broadcasts. But it will be airing the day after, the saturday. So the Canadian airdate is almost the same as the US, it'll be kind of redundant, right? So my suggestion is to merge US and CAN, and have a side note that explain that CAN is the day after, the saturday. Or 2- My second suggestion is to have, on the main page, a quick list of the '''next new''' episode for each contry. Something like: 

::::'''US''' » ''Occupation'' and ''Precipice'' - Fri. October 6th 
::::'''CAN''' » ''Occupation'' and ''Precipice'' - Sat. October 7th 
::::'''UK''' » ''Occupation'' - October... 
::::'''AUS''' » ... 
::::''etc.'' 

:::We can also use the flag of the country! The idea of the list came because I'm not sure about the airdates of the reruns and the marathons needs to be on the main page and I think everyone can wish to come here just to have a quick look to know when the next episode is. But, with that, we create a second page with a section for each country for all the reruns airdates, the last week episode, the next two or tree weeks episodes... In other words, a TvGuide page. Some people might be interested in that kind of information, and since it won't be on the main page, I don't think that it's a problem to have a TvGuide. Or We keep it that way, it's good enough :) --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 13:13, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Well... we already have the next and previous episode up at the top, but the airdates give the time and channel. {{flag|US}} is not working :( But to understand you correcty....

::::Main page - Times of next episodes only.
::::Other airdates - Times of next episodes only.
::::(New Page) TV Reruns - Times of next reruns for the same.

::::I would still suggest we keep the same lanauges and not do this witht he german dates as they have their own wiki. But US, UK, CAN, and AU I see no problem with. I would have to get some more flags imported :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:04, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Why the US flag doesn't work? I agree to keep ''english'' airdates on the ''english'' main page (and german date with german wiki...). The idea with the list on the main page, is to have at most 2 lines per country (well maybe 3). And just have the next new episode '''only'''. Ex: The next new on SciFi is on October 6th. The new page is for all the others airdates. Like Space Channel will, if I remember well, air once again TOS. So we need a kind of TvGuide. Re-air TOS or all the reruns or marathons, is kind of the same thing: an encore presentation. So the new page is for that, all the dates including the previous episode So, MP is short and quick with every country watching in english (with the flags or not). And New Page is long and detailed for every country (not for the one who has their wiki, like german). I hope this is clear. --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 16:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::US flag is having SVG problems. Still trying to figure that one out. I think this is a soild idea. Would clean up the "text" a bit. I'll post any example here on the possiable look. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:06, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Technical research and development wiki"==
Under "sister projects": I'm a little behind, sorry I'm out of the loop; what is that/how does it work?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:29, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
: It's merely the Hangar Bay, which is currently down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:30, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
:I was about to post that :) Currently offiline. Getting to it in a little bit. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:31, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== Images - Not many... ==

While I am on the subject (http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/0000esw7) has tons of images that can be uploaded with the {{tl|promo}} tag over at the media wiki. Should we just import them all and label them for use, or just upload when needed? I can say for sure we can upload some from "Scar" because the [[Scar]] guide is void of pictures. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:37, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== 2,000,000 Page Views!? ==

Didn't we just pass the ''1,000,000'' page views milestone earlier this summer? Have we had a million page views this summer alone?!

I better buy several more [[Mop Boy|mops]]. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:32, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Congrats to us! Yay! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:37, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::The [[Mop Boy|one]] i'm using atm is getting very worn but Joe refuses to pay for a new one :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:32, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support/Proposals|idea]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:50, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Didn't you get the memo? :-P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:18, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

==This Wiki==

How is it done?!? This is the only Wiki(that i'v seen) with compleetly diferent colors and styell can some one tell me how it is don(you can put it on my talk page)?[[User:JosephK19|JosephK19]] 01:50, 30 September 2006 (CDT)
:This wiki still has a theme in the usual wiki colours but a new desiend was created by some members of this wiki to give it a unique look and feel. The [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki MediaWiki] site has some great tips on how to do all this. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:18, 30 September 2006 (CDT)

==3 Million Page Views==

Past 3 million sometime today. Another million right in around a month :). --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 12:44, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
: I'll check the server statistics as well... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:17, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
: Well, it's pretty damn cool. What's really cool is that the referrers are coming more and more from outside the USA. Most of them are, actually, from Googke UK, Google Germany, and Google Canada. There are even hits from Myspace and non-English language forums... interesting. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 13:42, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

== Message from [[User:Day|Day]] ==

He says he misses us and he's working full time. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:13, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
: Woo and Yay for Day :D http://www.woo-yay.net/images/12-04-05_cat-bite-woo.gif --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 14:21, 11 October 2006 (CDT)
:Glad that he's working, and we'll continue to save a spot for him on the couch in the break room. Though the time has come for us to consider stadium seating options... --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 14:24, 11 October 2006 (CDT)

== Suggested addition to Main Page: Link to the episode guides ==

I think it would be nice to have a link to the episode guide on the Main Page, in addition to the links to the most recent episode and the next episode. It takes several clicks to get to the Season 3 episode list or the list for any other season.
--[[User:123home123|123home123]] 2:53, 14 October 2006 (EDT)

Talk:Occupation/Archive 1

2006-10-12T22:03:12Z

123home123: Question about guest stars in Occupation

:For discussions prior to October 3, 2006, [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Occupation&oldid=66799 click here].

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== Sourcing Rules ==
I wonder if the desire to be "authoritative" here at Battlestar Wiki isn't getting twisted and perverted. We know a lot about Season 3 that is somehow not getting into print. For instance, we have photos of some episodes, casting "sides" from some of the scripts, and comments from some of the participants that amount to a pretty clear picture of some of the major plot points of the first few episodes, yet we are not writing what we clearly KNOW because the episodes have not aired and anything would therefore be "speculative." THIS IS RIDICULOUS. These are tougher sourcing rules than they have at the ''New York Times'' and the ''Washington Post'', and let's face it, that is now what people are coming to us for. They want to know what is going on with their favorite show, and god knows we have spoiler warnings everywhere to protect those who don't want to know. Most major newspapers have the "three source rule," which means all or part of what you write needs to be covered by three independent sources. We have that in many cases but are sitting on our hands and not writing the info. The "overview" section we do have for the episodes is not really an overview but a collection of speculation from various sources. If Ron Moore said something at a conference three months ago, we treat it as a grand pronouncement ex cathedra even though three months is a long time and a lot of things can change in TV at the last moment. But we have photos of scenes shot (and published!) and we are not writing what is clearly in them. Something is very screwed up here. No journalistic or editorial operation should be operating this way, being so skittish and chicken s--t about things that any reasonable person can conclude are true. We are a month from the start of Season 3, and Battlestar Wiki is lagging way behind other sources, on the Web and elsewhere, about what will be happening in the new season. We need to grow some brass ones, and write what we know. The whole rest of the world is writing about what will be happening starting Oct. 6. We have decided to wait until after it happens. That's not authoritative; that's stupid. --[[User:Elach|Elach]] 02:31, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:I think you missed the point of what we are. We are guide to BSG. Not a news source. We collect, eveluate the source. We write only facual information on the show. Most of the information on this page has a cite along with it making it true. We knew a long time ago Anadama Plummer was a guest star because of the podcast link, but we didn't sepculate on the plot because production and recordings change sometimes days before airing. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 02:44, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== First act up on scifi.com ==
The 1st act of this episode is on the website and some of the speculation is right and some is wrong from the transcript that got circulated earlier this year. Obvious an early draft. In any case, I think that things can be added from this cut from their website which I would like to start after I stop watching this thing over and over and over...and oh by the way, I gotta work to. Maybe I'll make my contributions in a few hours. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 12:47, 04 October 2006 (AST)

Did anyone else notice that the credits said Candice McClure and not Kandyse McClure? Apparently she had been credited as Candice in some roles earlier in her career but as far as I remember, she has always been credited as Kandyse on Battlestar Galactica. The Sci Fi site still lists her as Kandyse. What gives? Is this just another slip-up on the part of the people in charge of onscreen text? (Remember the problem with Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson in the end credits?) They also spelled Helo's full name incorrectly on the humorous video blog that showed the effect that the Peabody Award had on David Eick. Helo's real name was incorrectly shown as Karl Agation with an "i". [[User:123home123|123home123]] 18:09, 04 October 2006 (EDT)

:I'm going to have to look into that credit issue later. I put a summary in for what was shown on Scifi.com. I hope I did it in the most correct way. Feel free to make modifications where needed. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 15:53, 04 October 2006 (AST)

:Thanks to Shane, Peter Farago, Spencerian, and Noneofyourbusiness for editing my additions. This is my first time at adding major content to an episode page outside of the The Resistance Webisodes page so I was just letting it flow without worrying about format. Though, I am particularly happy that you all left my use of the terms "skinjobs" and "chromejobs". I felt that this was appropriate from the point of view of the characters involved. -- [[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 21:31, 04 October 2006 (AST)

Request that analysis section is deleted! The comments are not analytical and instead seem rather speculative, amounting to nothing which is noteworthy.-- [[User:jxh487|jxh487]]
:Committing an act of vandalism on the main page isn't going to help your case. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:06, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:Jxh487, since the episode has not yet aired, the information is the best official data available. This will last here for one more day in the US, where it will likely be replaced. As the previous user stated, don't vandalize a page to prove a point, please. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:14, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
::Yes, the episode(s) will probably prove or disapprove both points. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 17:26, 5 October 2006 (CDT)
:::I want to add back the note telling about this act being played on the website before the airing on TV because I think it is a significant marketing innovation that should be documented, an innovation as important to record as the plot line in the summer. Thoughts?--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:43, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Speculation? ==

''It is worth noting that in "Exodus, Part II", Ellen betrays Saul in some fashion. Therefore, her motives are presently unknown.''

How can we put this up based on Overview? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:18, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
:We shouldn't. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 12:31, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

frak the cylons. the human race will ultimately survive. just seen the episode. pretty cool yet it not reveals ellens intentions so we shouldnt. 06:31, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:Her intentions are pretty clear. She will protect Saul at all costs. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 06:54, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

==Oracle Selloi==

I didn't see Amanda Plummer at all in Occuprice, and her name wasn't in credits. Either her scene got deleted, or she'll be appearing in a later episode (more likely, I think). I'm taking her out as a "Special Guest." [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 12:25, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
:From the teaser, it seems she'll be appearing in Exodus. BTW, "Occuprice" doesn't make much sense as Precipice ends on a "pice" instead of a "price". A better merger would be Occupice. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 21:05, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
::I noticed that too. But the title comes from on high (ie Ron Moore's blog). I realize he probably just mistyped, but I've gotten used to calling it that. The "-pr-" has a better cadence, in my opinion at least. [[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 21:33, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

:::I'm hoping to see this character; we have so little information on the nature of [[oracle]]s. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:19, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== Survivor count ==

Did anyone else notice the lack of a survivor count during the starting credits? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:23, 8 October 2006 (CDT)
:I'm guessing that they didn't want to bother, because the body count is moving too fast, and the humans are all split up to boot. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:19, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
:: That's my assumption as well, right now. I imagine that after the exodus they might resume the count, at least in some form, provided Roslin ever becomes president again. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 14:04, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::: I think that the reason is they tell the story from a point of view of the characters not from a God-view (or gods-view in their case) of the overall story - meaning, somebody was keeping track of the population count and they just put that info up front for us. And the person who kept track of the population count was always Roslin. Remember, Roslin always kept the population count up on that wallspace and when Baltar became president he replaced it with his own portrait. Now, with the population split up and Roslin no longer in a place of central control, there's nobody keepin a hard track on the population count so that info isn't available to us because that info isn't available to the characters. That's my take.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 18:16, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::::Season 2 used a gods-eye-view population count - early on in the season, it reflected deaths on Kobol that Roslin couldn't possibly have known about. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 18:44, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
:::::That might have been a flaw because it was my understanding that the survivor count was reflecting Roslin's survivor count.--[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 19:40, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
::::::Your understanding is incorrect. See [[Survivor Count]] for a detailed breakdown including several deaths of which Roslin could not have been aware.
::::::There were a total of four people killed on Kobol (Karma, Tarn, Socinus, and Crashdown). The survivors are recovered at the end of "Fragged", but the count in "Resistance" is only decremented by one — presumably Crashdown, who did in fact die in the previous episode. This, along with a single-person decrement between "Scattered" and "Valley of Darkness" in which nobody died except Tarn (who was on Kobol) suggests that the survivor count was omniscient.
::::::Also keep in mind that Roslin was separated from her whiteboard from the end of "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II" to the end of "Home, Part II", and would not have been privy to population statistics. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 19:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

== still missed in the summary ==

Thanks to the people on the english side, our summaries of Occupation and Precipice were probably the first ones, which were released in the internet in german language :o) But there are some things still missing in this both episodes: the diary of Roslin, the discussions between the both Adamas and with Dualla (weak Apollo with fat ash, find somebody who can, Pegasus will not participate), the discussion between Admiral Adama and Sharon Agathon (centurions cannot differenciate the copies), and the discussion of the Cylons at Colonial One (decreasing humankind, the opposition of Galactica-Sharon and Caprica-Six,, WE!! agree), Galactica-Sharons discussions with several humans and the shooting of Caprica-Six. It would be helpful, if the native english speakers could add this to the summaries and point out the real important informations, which were given. Thank you. -- [[User:Tirkon|Tirkon]] 16:13, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

== Show Caps ==

I got some relevent screencaps here: [[:md:User:Shane/gallery#Tue_Oct_10_19:26:58_EDT_2006|User:Shane/gallery#Tue Oct 10 19:26:58 EDT 2006]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:13, 10 October 2006 (CDT)

== Guest stars ==

Has anyone verified all the guest stars listed? I know many of these people were credited at the beginning of Occupation but this was only because Occupation and Precipice were combined into one super-episode. I don't think Rick Worthy (Simon) and Larissa Stadnichuk appeared in Occupation. They only appeared in Precipice. -- [[User:123home123|123home123]] 18:28, 12 October 2006 (EDT)

Precipice

2006-10-12T10:58:12Z

123home123: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */ Corrected Tigh quote (evil men)

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| episode= 2
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| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]
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| director= [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
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| rating= 1.8
| US airdate= 2006-10-06
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| prev= [[Occupation]]
| next= [[Exodus, Part I]]
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== Overview ==
:''After the suicide bombing, the [[Cylons (RDM) |Cylons]] institute stricter controls on the human population on [[New Caprica]]. Aboard ''[[Galactica]]'', plans for the rescue from New Caprica move forward now that communication with the resistance has been established.''

== Summary ==
*[[Gaius Baltar]] visits [[Laura Roslin]] (gathered up in detention apparently for his need) in her detention cell to discuss the suicide bombings, after which he releases her.
*After [[Duck]]'s suicide bombing in an effort to kill Baltar, the Cylons begin a crackdown and round up random civilians.
*The Leoben copy with Thrace introduces her to [[Kacey]], supposedly [[Hera|another]] Cylon-human hybrid fertilized by this Cylon's consciousness and using Thrace's [[The Farm|egg from her stolen ovary]]. Thrace immediately treats it as an "it."
*[[Felix Gaeta]] continues to give information to the resistance, though [[Galen Tyrol]] is unaware that Gaeta is his source inside the presidency. Tyrol calls Gaeta a collaborator.
*Tyrol also talks to Jammer about the situation with Cally saying how when the occupation is over people like him and Jammer will be heroes while people like Gaeta will be strung up, causing fellings of regret in Jammer for collaborating.
*Jammer talks to [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] to try to find a way to get Cally out of prison. This leads to a tense convesation between Boomer and Cally made worse when Boomer mentions plans she and Tyrol had for when they left the service.
*Admiral [[William Adama|Adama]] swears in [[Sharon Agathon]] as a Colonial officer and sends her down to New Caprica to help the resistance. This does not sit well with Lee who comes to try to change his fathers mind and suggests that the battlestars focus on protecting the 2000 civilians that managed to jump with them.
*[[Saul Tigh]], Chief Tyrol, and [[Samuel Anders]] decide to meet Agathon in a canyon outside of town after she [[FTL|Jumps]] inside the planetary atmosphere.
*[[Ellen Tigh]], after being threatened with more harm to Colonel Tigh, gives the Cylons information on where the meeting is to take place.
*Another suicide bombing, attacking the power plant and causing severe damage, moves the Cylons to more drastic actions.
*The Cylons force Baltar to sign an execution order for 200 civilians, including [[Cally Tyrol]], Roslin and [[Tom Zarek]]. The detainees are transported outside the city.
*Kara continues to treat the child as an "it" while the child runs around the prison/apartment. When Kara briefly escapes to another room for a few minutes, she hears a thump from the other room. When she returns the child is unconscious at the foot of the stairs in a small pool of blood.
*Kara appears to show maternal feelings for the child while in a medical bed and holds Conoy's hand.
*While stopping to ostensibly let the detainees stretch their legs, [[Jammer]] cuts Cally Tyrol's bonds and tells her to run from the area. As as she gets away, [[Cylon Centurion]]s show up to execute the detainees with Zarek pulling Roslin away from the front of the crowd. As Cally Tyrol runs through the forest, the sound of automatic gunfire rings out.
*As Sharon Agathon and Anders formulate their plans, they are ambushed by Centurions.

== Questions ==

*If [[Sharon Agathon]] is killed during her mission on [[New Caprica]], will she be able to download into a new body?
**Download is a probability, but she would be immediately captured as an intelligence source.
*Where will [[Cally Tyrol]] be able to run to? She was ordered to face execution by the Colonial Government.
**Back to the colony, though she would need to keep out of sight. She will only have trouble if the Cylons check the dead bodies and find her missing or she advertises her presence at the colony.
*Why did the Cylons abandon their plan for a public execution?
**It could very well be that they realize a public execution might make matters worse, while [[Wikipedia:Forced disappearance|"disappearances"]] would allow for both an effective threat and plausible deniability.
*If viewers are to assume that the gunfire at the end of the episode is not from the Centurions, then who is firing?
**There is the possibility, however remote, that it was the New Caprica Police who opened fire on the Centurions. However, story-wise that might be a cop-out, and it is unlikely that the NCP would take such action, Jammer's release of Cally not withstanding.
**Another possibility is that the gunfire we heard is somehow coming from Sharon/Anders and their rescue team. Of course they would've had to escape/defeat the ambush and somehow come upon the execution scene, and these events appear to be happening concurrently.
**The gunfire does not sound like Centurion weapons, but it is not possible to determine its source.
*Is Gaeta showing rather unusual behavior? If so, how much will his role as "inside man" be affected?
**Gaeta is witnessing the oppression of humanity at the highest level, from a man he once admired. It is probable Gaeta's stress level is affecting his behavior.
*What is the role of the five unseen Cylon models in the occupation? Are they present and simply remaining off-camera for the benefit of the audience? Have they attempted to hide themselves from the Colonials?
*Why did no Leoben Conoy copies take part in the deliberation on ''Colonial One'' over whether or not to issue the execution order?
**Conoy's motives on New Caprica appear to be entirely selfish—he is there for Kara Thrace only.
***Even so, that is true of only one Conoy. Why have no others been seen participating in the decision making process so far?
*[[Cally Tyrol]] and [[Sharon Agathon]] both took their husbands' names upon marriage, as did [[Ellen Tigh]], [[Caroline Adama]] and [[Sesha Abinell]]. Are [[Anastasia Dualla]] and [[Kara Thrace]] now Anastasia Adama, and Kara Anders, respectively?
*What is the relationship between Caprica-Six's shooting and the reappearance of [[Cylon-Related_Hallucinations#Baltar.27s_Internal_Six|Baltar's Internal Six]]?
**It is possible that two events are not directly related. The reappearance was not immediate, but happened after [[Number Five]] and [[Cavil]] continued to threaten Baltar with death. Since Caprica-Six's support was gone, Baltar was under severe stress and thought that he might likely die. Internal-Six has shown a tendency to appear at those times, especially if Baltar's survival is at stake.
*Now that the Lt. Sharon Agathon has landed on the surface of New Caprica, how can she be distinguished from other [[Number Eight]]s there?
**Other than her [[flight suit]], it remains unclear how [[Sharon Agathon]] will be distinguished from other [[Number Eight]]s. Admiral Adama confirmed that Cylon Centurions are not sentient, and may take instruction from Agathon because of her true nature.
***How will ''humans'' identify Sharon Agathon should she ever leave their sight? How, for example, can she ever be safely returned to ''[[Galactica]]''?
**On a related note, how did Jammer identify the particular Eight he talked to as Boomer?
**As indicated by Adama earlier in the episode, Centurions are incapable of distinguishing each individual Cylon copy of a model (in this case, Number Eight), as they have limited sentience.
*If the Centurions are incapable of distinguishing between individual copies of a model, why would they fire on Sharon Agathon, who should be just another Eight to them?
**Agathon's back was turned to the Centurions at the time before the shooting began. They may not have registered her presence in the group.
**As referenced above, her Colonial-issue flight suit may have given her away. No "legitimate" Eight on New Caprica would need to wear one.
**Also, since models like Sharon have previously (and perhaps currently) hidden among humans, Centurions may have standing orders to treat Sharon and other models as humans unless more specific instructions are given, so that their cover isn't blown.
* What will happen if Sharon Agathon discovers that [[Hera]]'s death was faked? Will she renege on her oath to Adama -- and how will this affect her sympathies to Adama, who would clearly be "in the know" regarding this hoax?
* Why didn't Duck tell Tyrol that Jammer had joined the New Caprica Police?
**He may not have known until the graduation ceremony, since the members of the police force are secretive about their identities.
*Did Kacey fall down the stairs or was she pushed?
*Given that Zarek wanted nothing to do with Baltar's puppet administration, who replaced him as Vice President?
**Given the potential for further dissidence and/or rebellion beneath him, did Baltar do away with the office of the Vice Presidency altogether?
*Given Zarek's imprisonment for four months, what of Zarek's various supporters? Do they still exist on New Caprica or on ''[[Astral Queen]]''? If so, what of them?
*Is [[Kacey]] all that [[Leoben Conoy]] claims her to be?
**There is reason to believe that Conoy's claims are not true. As evidenced in the Miniseries and "[[Flesh and Bone]]", Conoy is a master manipulator specializing in lies, half-truths, misdirection, ommission and any other method he can think of to coerce people to do as he wants.
**Given what is known about such attempts to create such a hybrid, it is unlikely that this attempt would have succeeded when all others of a similar nature have failed. Even if such a hybrid was successful, it is unlikely that such a human/Cylon hybrid would be placed in such an unstable environment as they are highly valuable to the Cylons due to the astonishingly low success rate.

== Analysis ==
*We learn a little bit more about the nature of the various humanoid Cylons here. Apparently a single copy is usually qualified to speak for its entire model. Interestingly, [[Caprica-Six]] was unable to dissuade her "sisters" from voting to execute the dissidents.
*As one of the Cavils notes, adherence to the Cylon creed has become increasingly perfunctory. The Cylons sought the President's signature as a mere formality.
*If [[Leoben Conoy]]'s story is true, [[Kacey]] can't be older than 16 months. As of this episode, it has been about 27 months since the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|fall of the Colonies]]. Kara Thrace's incarceration at the [[Farms|Farm]] on Caprica took place about two months after the fall of the Colonies.
*Even if Ellen Tigh's actions are as reprehensible as ever, her motivations this time around are rather more laudable. These two episodes seem to indicate that she truly does care for her husband.
*Cavil informs Ellen Tigh that they released Saul Tigh so that he may continue leading the resistance, thereby ensuring attacks against the Cylons, such as the two bombings that followed his release. These bombings and their results reinforce Cavil's argument that instilling fear and exerting total control over the population is the only viable solution.
*The Cylons' condemnation to suicide bombings is strikingly hypocritical, in light of the fact that a [[Number Five]] used the same tactic after boarding ''Galactica'' in "[[Litmus]]."
**However that copy of [[Number Five]] no doubt knew he would be reborn on the [[Resurrection Ship]], and as such the Cylons may not see his action in the same way as that of the humans.
*Following the bombing of the power substation, the Cylon leadership conducts a meeting with Gaius Baltar on Colonial one. The camera makes a full clockwise sweep, revealing in order:
**An Eight
**Boomer
**A Cavil
**A Five
**A Three (identifies herself as the one killed by [[Caprica-Six]] in "[[Downloaded]]")
**Caprica-Six
**Another Cavil
**Another Three
**A Simon
**Another Five
**Two more Sixes
*Cavil introduces the idea of "stronger measures". Assenting, in order, are Three, Simon, Five, and the last two Sixes. Caprica-Six dissents. Neither Boomer nor the other Eight are consulted. Not present are any copies of Leoben Conoy nor any of the unrevealed five models.

== Notes ==
*"[[Occupation]]/Precipice" was awarded the [[Awards and Honors|IGN.com Editor's choice award]], following a review in which it recieved a rating of 10/10.
*"Occupation" and "Precipice" were edited as one 2-hr episode with only one introduction. However, in the podcast, [[Ronald D. Moore]] indicates the "beginning" of "Precipice" as the scene with Baltar and Roslin in the detention cell.
*In the podcast, [[Ronald D. Moore]] states that references to "The Twist" and "The Swirl" are a homage to ''[[Wikipedia:Seinfeld |Seinfeld]]''. The episode in question is "[[Wikipedia:The Fusilli Jerry |The Fusilli Jerry]]."
*Felix Gaeta's given name, first revealed in "[[Final Cut]]," is spoken out loud for the first time.
*Caprica-Valerii has married Karl Agathon and taken his last name. She continues to be confined to her cell, but it has been decorated and furnished. Ironically enough, she still calls him "Helo."
*Sharon Agathon and William Adama have continued to develop the rapport which they established in "[[Resurrection Ship, Part II]]." In this episode, he comissions her as a lieutenant and releases her from her cell.
*[[Number Three]]'s claim that Caprica-Six's assault on her was the first case of Cylon-on-Cylon violence in their history is not really true. Sharon Agathon shot and "killed" another Eight outside the Delphi spaceport on Caprica ([[Colonial Day]]). The Cylons may not look on this in the same light because it was within one model. Alternatively, Number Eight may have been unable to identify her shooter. This is plausible because that copy was looking at Helo when she was shot, and afterwards could only stare up into the sky for a few seconds before dying and presumably downloading.
**Actually, Sharon Agathon also shot a Six previous to that in "[[33]]" but we may presume that the Six consented as part of the Cylons' plan for Helo.
*Ironically, a Five shoots Caprica-Six in the head shortly after Three's statement. Cavil indicates, however, that she won't be "boxed," as Caprica feared in "[[Downloaded]]."
*The same [[Number Three]] killed in "[[Downloaded]]" by Caprica-Six is present as well, referencing the incident; it is this same Three who questions Six regarding her love of Baltar.
*The apparent shooting of the captives and Cally Tyrol's escape at the end of the episode are an homage to ''[[Wikipedia:The Great Escape|The Great Escape]]''.
*Baltar's Internal-Six appears only after Caprica-Six is shot in the head.
*This episode has the second highest number of guest stars. Only the [[Miniseries]] had more credited stars.
* [[Lee Adama]] stated that there were about 2000 civilians that were on board Fleet ships when they escaped New Caprica, which would mean that after accounting for an unspecified number of military personnel (and an unspecified number of said personnel that were left on New Caprica), at least 5500 people were killed in the destruction of [[Cloud 9]] as well as the other ships destroyed by the nuclear warhead in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".
*Another four humans are killed in the suicide bombing at the power substation this episode. It is unknown whether or not this figure includes the bomber. Additionally, 23 cylons are critically wounded, with 14 having to be euthanized. Almost half the city is left without power, with repair estimates standing at a minimum of two weeks.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==
*''Discussing suicide bombings:''
:'''Galen Tyrol''': This is crazy. You know, we need to figure out whose side we're on.
:'''Saul Tigh''': Which side are we on. We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction where ever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that.

*''After being arrested, held without charge and carted to a remote location:''
:'''Tom Zarek''': Laura.. That election last year. You tried to steal it, didn't you?
:'''Laura Roslin''': Yes, Tom. I did.
:'''Tom Zarek''': (laughs) Ah... I wish you'd gone through with it.
:'''Laura Roslin''': So do I.

*''Talking in a cell:''
:'''Cally''': "...frak you Sharon, you stupid frakked-up toaster. How many times do I have to shoot you anyway?"

*''After being slapped by Roslin for accussing her of working for the Cylons:''
:'''Saul Tigh''': You see, little things like that they don't matter anymore. Fact, not too frakking much really matter anymore. I got one job here lady, and one job only. To disrupt the Cylons, make them worry about the ant hill they stirred up down here so they're distracted and out of position when the old man show up in orbit. The bombings, they got the Cylons' attention, they really got their attention. And I am not giving that up.
:'''Laura Roslin''': We are talking about people blowing themselves up.
:'''Tigh''': You know, sometimes I think that you've got ice water in those veins. And other times, I just think that you're just a naive little school teacher. I've sent men on suicide missions in two wars now, and let me tell you something. It don't make a godsdamn bit of difference whether they're riding in a Viper or walking out onto a parade ground. In the end they're just as dead. (pauses) So, take your piety, and your moralizing, and your high-minded principles, and stick 'em somewhere safe until you're off the rock and sitting in your nice, cushy chair on Colonial One again. (stands) I've got a war to fight (leaves).

*''As the Cylons try to force Baltar to sign the execution order, following Number Five's shooting of Capirca-Six in the head:''
:'''Baltar''': "Oh, God."
:'''Cavil''': "She'll be back..."
:'''Cavil''': "... but if he pulls that trigger now, you won't."

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==
*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Tahmoh Penikett]] as Lt. [[Karl Agathon|Karl "Helo" Agathon]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Tyrol]]
*[[Alessandro Juliani]] as [[Felix Gaeta]]
*[[Kandyse McClure]] as [[Anastasia Dualla]]
*[[Lucy Lawless]] as [[Number Three]]
*[[Michael Trucco]] as [[Samuel Anders]]
*[[Richard Hatch]] as [[Tom Zarek]]
*[[Rick Worthy]] as [[Simon]]
*[[Callum Keith Rennie]] as [[Leoben Conoy]]
*[[Kate Vernon]] as [[Ellen Tigh]]
*[[Donnelly Rhodes]] as Dr. [[Cottle]]
*[[Matthew Bennett]] as [[Number Five]]
*[[Rekha Sharma]] as [[Tory Foster]]
*[[Dean Stockwell]] as [[Cavil]]
*[[imdb:nm1569714|Erica Cerra]] as [[Maya]]
*[[Luciana Carro]] as Lt. [[Louanne Katraine|Louanne "Kat" Katraine]]
*[[Christian Tessier]] as [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
*[[Brad Dryborough]] as Lt. [[Hoshi]]
*[[Leah Cairns]] as Lt. [[Margaret Edmondson|Margaret "Racetrack" Edmondson]]
*Madeleine Parker as [[Kacey]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[James Lyman|James "Jammer" Lyman]]
*[[imdb:nm1773454|Mylène Dinh-Robic]] as Officer #1
*[[imdb:nm1468333|Ryan McDonell]] as Pilot #3
*[[imdb:nm0493171|Byron Lawson]] as Pilot #4
*[[imdb:nm0492687|Colin Lawrence]] as [[Hamish McCall|Hamish "Skulls" McCall]]
*[[imdb:mm,1989989|Larissa Stadnichuk]] as Suicide bomber

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

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Talk:Main Page/Archive6

2006-10-07T19:23:34Z

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Occupation

2006-10-07T02:58:13Z

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{{spoiler}}

{{Episode Data
| title= Occupation
| image=Season 3 - Promo - Epi 1 - 2 - Number Three talking.jpg
| season= 3
| episode= 1
| guests= [[Amanda Plummer]] as [[Oracle Selloi]]
| writer= [[Ronald D. Moore]]
| story=
| director= [[Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-10-06
| UK airdate=
| population= ?
| prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next= [[Precipice]]
}}

== Overview ==
:''The [[Cylons (RDM) |Cylons]] have occupied the human settlement of [[New Caprica]], and it's been three months since ''[[Galactica]],'' ''[[Pegasus]]'', and a handful of ships escaped into deep space. But the fight is not over. On New Caprica, a resistance has begun — and despite having only a handful of untested pilots at his command, [[Admiral Adama]] is committed to risking everything on a daring attack to rescue the people he left behind.'' <ref>[http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/ SciFi Episode Guide]</ref>

== Summary ==
*The episode begins with a series of cut scenes. Light flashes over [[Saul Tigh]]'s face. He is in a prison cell and has scratched notches into a calendar on the wall. His wife, [[Ellen Tigh]], is having sex with one of the Cavils. [[Laura Roslin]] lights a candle and prays to the [[Religion in the Twelve Colonies#Lords of Kobol|gods]]. [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Samuel Anders]] are planting a bomb using [[G-4]] and an [[A-type detonator]] within a building space.
*[[Kara Thrace]] is inside a neatly decorated room, setting a table.
*Admiral [[William Adama]] tries to strategize a rescue plan with a series of various models of fighters, support vehicles and other civilian ships in the [[Situation Room]]'s plot table, but becomes frustrated and hurls a model across the table.
*A Cavil walks into Tigh's cell and taunts him as he attempts to hide the calendar that he has scratched in the wall. A copy of [[Leoben Conoy]] walks into the room where Thrace sits at table, carrying her dinner. He sits and prays to [[God|"The Heavenly Father."]]
*Thrace coyly asks the Conoy copy for a knife for her steak, but Conoy takes his knife and cuts her steak himself.
*Tyrol and Anders scatter away as a [[Heavy Raider]] lands near their bomb.
*After Ellen Tigh's liaison with her Cavil copy, she asks when will she gets what she asked for, suggesting a previous deal. The Cylon informs her that it should be happening right at that moment. At same time, the Cavil in the cell with Colonel Tigh releases him from prison in a very taunting way. Tigh exits the prison and his wife meets him at the gate.
*A group of '[[Cylon agent|skinjobs]]' including at least 3 [[Eight]]s, 3 [[Six]]es, and 2 [[Five]]s approach the Heavy Raider as several '[[Cylon Centurion|chromejobs]]' exit it. Tyrol and Anders set off the bomb. A great explosion ensues that is witnessed by the Conoy copy with Thrace from their apartment. He returns to the table, pushes his knife away from Thrace.
*As he comments on how beautiful she is, Thrace stabs him in the neck with metal chopsticks. As he dies (while Thrace repeatedly stabs his chest for good measure), he tells Thrace that he will see her soon. She tells him to take his time. Then, after wiping her hand on the carpet, she returns to the table and calmly resumes eating dinner.

<blockquote>''This is the end of the "FirstLook" sneak peak video provided on the official website of Scifi.com.''</blockquote>

== Questions ==
*How did Anders manage to recover from his pneumonia without the medical supplies Thrace was seeking in "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]"?
** It is possible his own bodily defenses fought it off or he received medical supplies from a Cylon.

== Analysis ==

* Given the dialogue during the scene and the marks on Ellen Tigh's face, it appears that Cavil has a penchant for "rough sex," adding to the sacrifice being made by Ellen to free Saul Tigh.
* Thrace's behavior, and Conoy's reluctance to give her a knife suggests that Thrace has probably succeeded in killing Conoy several times prior to this airing.

== Notes ==
*In an [http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/artsentertainment/2002957630_galactica28.html?syndication=rss interview] with the Seattle Times, Ron Moore has confirmed that the first episode of season three will not take place immediately after the previous season finale (like "[[Scattered]]" did), but skip ahead a few more months to when the Cylon occupation is in full swing, and an insurgency has already developed.

*According to an interview<ref>{{cite podcast|url=http://media20a.libsyn.com/m3efeMh2bXXEfWl7l3dtpmemYHLH/podcasts/podcast411/411_060531.mp3 |title=Interview with Ronald D. Moore |website=Libsyn |host= |date=2006-05-31 |accessdate=2006-09-06 |accessyear= |timestamp= |totalrunning= }}</ref> with [[Ron Moore]] from May 31st, [[Wikipedia:Amanda Plummer|Amanda Plummer]] will guest star in the season 3 premiere.

*According to series composer [[Bear McCreary]]'s [http://www.bearmccreary.com/ official website] blog, the first two episodes of season 3 will premiere back-to-back as a two hour TV movie
**This was further confirmed in Ron Moore's blog on [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/ July 27th, 2006]:
::"As it currently stands, we will be opening Season Three with a two-hour premiere of what were originally two stand-alone episodes, "Occupation" and "Precipice" ("Occuprice," as it were) then resume airing normal one hours with "[[Exodus, Part I]]"."

*"Occupation" and "Precipice" are now one "super episode": "Occupation" is "Episode 1", and "Precipice" is "Episode 1.5", followed by "Exodus, Part I", which is considered to be "Episode 2", and so on for all subsequent episodes.

*According to David Eick at the BSG Comic-Con panel, "Occupation" takes place 4 months after the Cylon occupation began at the end of "[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]".<ref>[http://tv.ign.com/articles/720/720386p1.html IGN Comic Con 2006 Report]</ref>

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

== Official Statements ==

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
<div style="font-size:85%"><references/></div>

{{episode list (RDM season 3)}}

[[Category: A to Z]]
[[Category: RDM]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Ronald D. Moore]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan]]

Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-10-06T05:43:35Z

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:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance," which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
| image=Webisode Resistance - 1.jpg
| title=Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance
| series=
| special= Y
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-09-05 through 2006-10-05
| UK airdate= Not yet available in the UK
| dvd=
| population=
| prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next= [[Occupation]]
}}

'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' is an online series that aims to fill in the gaps between seasons [[Season 2 (2005-06)|two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. The webisodes can be viewed through the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/ web portal] at [http://www.scifi.com/ SciFi.com]. An official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html FAQ] deals with availability and technical issues.

The webisode series was written by ''Battlestar Galactica'' veterans [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, divided into 10 episodes.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
* Running time: ~3:19
* Starts on the 67th day after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult. The Cylons have instituted a curfew. Violators go to jail, which is the first thing the Cylons built on [[New Caprica]]. New Capricans are shot on the spot if weapons are found in their tents. A stash of weapons belonging to [[Longo]] was confiscated by the Cylons, but the resistance was able to retrieve some of them which were hidden underneath his latrine. The Cylons are also setting up a [[New Caprica Police|human police force]] to take over for the [[Cylon Centurion]]s, who are doing most of the police work.

===Episode 2===
*Running time: ~1:54
Duck has refused to work with the resistance, on the grounds of his relationship and intended child with Nora. Tyrol is highly displeased at this, particularly his reasons, as they parallel Tyrol's own situation; Jammer suggests respecting Duck's decision.

A ritual for protection of the crops from blight is said in the temple. As Sister [[Tivenan]] leaves, Jean Barolay abruptly shifts the conversation to the movement of the weapons stash into the [[temple]]; Jammer strongly objects, but he is overruled by Tigh.

===Episode 3===
*Running time: ~2:42
In the evening, Nora prays to Aphrodite to bless she and Duck with a child. He tells her his decision about joining the resistance. She is pleased that he refused Tyrol.

During the night, Tigh, Tyrol, Jammer, and Barolay move the weapons into the temple disguising them.

The next morning, Nora wakes Duck saying he will be late to work. She tries to convince him to go to temple after work with her. He refuses, saying he talks to the gods in his own way.

===Episode 4===
*Running time: ~1:57
[[Cally]] and [[Nora]] visit the temple. Nora is holding Cally's baby while Cally is performing a ceremony. At that moment [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] can be heard outside, and a [[Number Five]] announces that they will enter the temple. Several men try to block them, but the Cylons force their way in and gunfire can be seen and heard. While trying to run away Cally falls to the ground protecting her baby, but Nora is shot and killed when she tries to retrieve her bag.

===Episode 5===
*Running time: ~1:56
Tyrol, Cally and Jammer return Nora's bag to Duck, and inform him about the death of Nora. Duck is physically sickened by the news. He becomes angry and demands to know if there were weapons in the temple. Tyrol tries to avoid the question, but Duck doesn't relent until Tyrol admits the truth. At that point, Duck orders them out of his tent.

===Episode 6===
*Running time: ~1:37
Three days after the attack on the temple, Tigh, Barolay, and Jammer discuss the results of the attack, which has brought about positive effects for the resistance. The general population has started to side with the resistance and 1,000 people protested outside [[Colonial One]] over the attack on the temple. Since the attack, recruitment has become easier with 150 Colonials signing up. Tigh thinks that this was a good deal because the loss of a few weapons was worth the propaganda victory. However, Jammer is upset that the loss of 10 lives was not worth it. Tigh comes down hard on Jammer, stating that people die in war, nice people, and the resistance has no room for crybabies.

===Episode 7===
*Running time: ~1:58

[[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] discuss the capture of [[Jammer]] by the Cylons. Tyrol insists that Jammer won't reveal the work of the resistance. Jammer is imprisoned in the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is visited by a [[Number Five]], who frees him of his bonds and says he wants to talk to him about what happened in the temple.

===Episode 8===
*Running time: ~3:56
[[Number Five]] proposes to [[Jammer]] that the massacre at the [[temple]] may have actually been planned by the [[Resistance]]. Number Five reminds Jammer of the good that has been accomplished by working together in peace. He offers Jammer the chance to stop further bloodshed by informing the [[Cylons]] of potentially life-threatening actions by the Resistance. Jammer balks at the idea of becoming a [[New Caprica Police|traitor]] to the Resistance, but accepts a key card which will let him enter the Cylon detention center to report the Resistance's secret plans if he chooses to become an informant.

===Episode 9===
*Running time: ~3:07
[[James Lyman|Jammer]] is released from the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is met outside by [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Tyrol notes that he was informed of Jammer's arrest by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], and then asks him what he told the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Jammer nervously explains that the Toasters questioned him about the [[temple]] massacre. Jammer reassures Tyrol that he did not tell the Cylons anything, but Tyrol appears doubtful.

Meanwhile, [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] returns to his tent and begins to clean up the mess from his earlier outburst. He bursts into tears while gathering up a broken picture frame and an icon of the [[Lords of Kobol]].

===Episode 10===
*Running time: ~4:34
After the dedication ceremony for [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]'s [[Nicholas Tyrol|son]], [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] approaches Tyrol in the temple. Duck informs Tyrol that he has joined the [[New Caprica Police]], in hopes of finding out who tipped the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] off and is responsible for [[Nora]]'s death.

Afterwards, Tyrol meets in the backroom with [[Saul Tigh]], [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and [[Jean Barolay]] to discuss their next move against the Cylons. Tigh suggests hiding explosives in the grain silo, which Jammer points out is across from the hospital. When Tigh shows a lack of concern for the patients' safety, Jammer excuses himself "to patrol the perimeter."

Outside, Duck is smoking and examining his new NCP patch. He puts it away when Jammer comes out, and the two friends share a smoke together. Jammer notices that Duck said he was going to quit, to which Duck says "What's the point?" and leaves. Once alone, Jammer sits quietly, and reaches into his pocket to find the Cylon device [[Number Five]] gave him. 

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==
*Jammer is unsurprised to hear that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] have been speaking. Apparently they have resumed some sort of contact since the occupation. How does this sit with other members of the resistance?

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"
[[Image:Chinese_characters.png|thumb|300px|The Chinese Characters behind Tyrol in Webisode 7]]
*Three [[Wikipedia:Chinese character|Chinese characters]] can be seen on a crate behind Tyrol at around 2:10 (in the countdown-style timer used by the SciFi.com Video Player) in the seventh episode. They are too blurry to readily identify. They are "盐","渍" or "溃", "姜" respectively.
*Currently, for legal reasons, attempting to view the webisodes from outside of the USA will present you with a frozen video player stating either of two messages:
** "Your video will begin playing after a brief advertisement." (in the case of the webisode splash page currently on scifi.com)
** "We're sorry, but the clip selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." (if the user opens the video on Sci Fi's Pulse website)
:Users outside of America will have to wait until a DVD release, television broadcast, or some other means becomes available to view them.
* Originally it was stated that new webisodes would be available midnight on Tuesday and Thursday. This no longer appears to be the case, but rather new webisodes appearing at noon [[Wikipedia:North American Eastern Time Zone|EDT]] on the appropriate day.
* In the sixth episode, Tigh states that 20 billion humans were "burned" by the Cylons. Also, he uses a new slang term for Centurions, "chrome jobs." This is likely inspired by the [[Caprica Resistance]]'s calling [[Cylon agent|cylon agents]] "skin jobs."
*[[Number Five]] uses Jammer's real name, [[James Lyman]].
*Episode Nine was made available Monday, October 2nd, 2006 at noon.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

'''''[[#Episode 6|Episode Six]]'''''

:'''[[Jammer]]''': What about the ten innocent people? Why don't you tell [[Duck]] what a bargain you got for Nora's life? 
:'''[[Saul Tigh]]''': You got that ass-backwards, sonny. We didn't shoot those people, the chrome jobs did... 
:'''Jammer''': Because we hid weapons there! 
:'''Tigh''': Hey! We're not playing pattycake here. These bastards burned up [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|twenty billion]] of us, you gonna say that's our fault, too? Instead of bawlin' like a little girl, you should focus on getting some payback. 
:'''Jammer''': Is that all this is about to you? Blood for blood? 
:'''Tigh''': We're at war! War is messy! People get killed- good people, nice people. Get that through your head, or get out! We don't need any cry-babies in this outfit.

== Official Statements ==

When ''[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|Battlestar Wiki asked Bradley Thompson]]'' about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

"Nora is played by Emily Holmes. Longo is spelled the way you have it." -- contents of September 5, 2006 message from [[Bradley Thompson]]

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Cast ==
These are listed in the order they appeared during the 10 episodes.

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
| 1
|
|
| 4
| 5
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
| 7
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
|
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Dominic Zamprogna]]
| [[Jammer]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
| 6
| 7
| 8
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Michael Hogan]]
| [[Saul Tigh]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
| 7
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[imdb:nm0391820|Emily Holmes]]
| [[Nora]]
| 1
|
| 3
| 4
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Alisen Down]]
| [[Jean Barolay]]
|
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[imdb:nm0601003|Carmen Moore]]
| [[Tivenan|Sister Tivenan]]
|
| 2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Matthew Bennett]]
| [[Number Five]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 7
| 8
|
|
|}

== Crew ==
In his September 6th 2006 [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/09/#a001251 official blog post], [[Ronald D. Moore]] recognized all the crew involved in the production of the webisodes.

Director: [[Wayne Rose]].
Writers: [[Bradley Thompson]] & [[David Weddle]].
Executive Producers: [[Ron D. Moore]] and [[David Eick]].
Producer: [[Harvey Frand]].
Co-Producers: Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.
Producer, Post Production work: Paul Leonard.
Director of Photography: John Drake.
Editors: Michael O'Halloran, Tim Kinzy, Ian Kezbaum, and Harry Jierjian.
Music: [[Bear McCreary]].

Visual Effects Supervisor: [[Gary Hutzel]].
Unit Production Manager: Boris Ivanov.
First Assistant Directors: Shirley-Anne Parsons and Alexia Droz.
Second Assistant Director: Mindy Heslin.
Set Costumes Supervisor: Keith Parent.
Make-up Artist: Ankara Eden.
Second Assistant, Make-up: Liz Raman Nair.
First Assistant, Hair Stylist: Jamie McKay.
Prop Assistants: Glenn Hilworth, Gerry Thompson, and Robert Stecky.
Sound Mixer: Mark Noda.

Boom Operators: Keith Henderson and Tony Wyman.
First Assistant Camera: Shannon Abbott.
Digital Imaging Technician: Tracy Sim.
Gaffer: Guy Patterson.
Best Boy, Electric: Paul Bougie.
Genny Operator: Murray Chysyk.
Lamp Operator: Blair McDonald.
Key Grip: Mark Leiterman.
Best Boy Grips: Dave McKinlay and Ron Baran.
Script Supervisor: Carol Green-Lundy.
Medic and Craft Services: Tim Gunderson.

''Battlestar Galactica'' Main Title Theme by [[Richard Gibbs]].

Scoring and Orchestral Engineer: Steve Kaplan.
Music Editor: Michael Baber.
Special Effects Coordinators: Al Collis and Kevin Andruschak.

Studio Executive: Richard Rothstein.
Studio Executive in Charge of Production: Todd Sharp.
Network Executives: Mark Stern and Erik Storey.

====Dedication====

Ron D. Moore added a special dedication to the credits:

<blockquote>''All of the above people worked above and beyond the call of duty to deliver these Webisodes to you and they did it while also working to deliver the regular episodes of the third season. They did it without any template of how these things were to be done and they did it in defiance of a limited budget and a extraordinarily truncated shooting schedule.''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''I'm proud of them and proud of their work. I hope you'll agree.''</blockquote>

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

2006-10-06T05:42:28Z

123home123: /* Episode 10 */ Corrected "perimeter"

:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance," which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
| image=Webisode Resistance - 1.jpg
| title=Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance
| series=
| special= Y
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-09-05 through 2006-10-05
| UK airdate= Not yet available in the UK
| dvd=
| population=
| prev= [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next= [[Occupation]]
}}

'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' is an online series that aims to fill in the gaps between seasons [[Season 2 (2005-06)|two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|Re-imagined Series]]. The webisodes can be viewed through the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/ web portal] at [http://www.scifi.com/ SciFi.com]. An official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html FAQ] deals with availability and technical issues.

The webisode series was written by ''Battlestar Galactica'' veterans [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, divided into 10 episodes.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
* Running time: ~3:19
* Starts on the 67th day after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult. The Cylons have instituted a curfew. Violators go to jail, which is the first thing the Cylons built on [[New Caprica]]. New Capricans are shot on the spot if weapons are found in their tents. A stash of weapons belonging to [[Longo]] was confiscated by the Cylons, but the resistance was able to retrieve some of them which were hidden underneath his latrine. The Cylons are also setting up a [[New Caprica Police|human police force]] to take over for the [[Cylon Centurion]]s, who are doing most of the police work.

===Episode 2===
*Running time: ~1:54
Duck has refused to work with the resistance, on the grounds of his relationship and intended child with Nora. Tyrol is highly displeased at this, particularly his reasons, as they parallel Tyrol's own situation; Jammer suggests respecting Duck's decision.

A ritual for protection of the crops from blight is said in the temple. As Sister [[Tivenan]] leaves, Jean Barolay abruptly shifts the conversation to the movement of the weapons stash into the [[temple]]; Jammer strongly objects, but he is overruled by Tigh.

===Episode 3===
*Running time: ~2:42
In the evening, Nora prays to Aphrodite to bless she and Duck with a child. He tells her his decision about joining the resistance. She is pleased that he refused Tyrol.

During the night, Tigh, Tyrol, Jammer, and Barolay move the weapons into the temple disguising them.

The next morning, Nora wakes Duck saying he will be late to work. She tries to convince him to go to temple after work with her. He refuses, saying he talks to the gods in his own way.

===Episode 4===
*Running time: ~1:57
[[Cally]] and [[Nora]] visit the temple. Nora is holding Cally's baby while Cally is performing a ceremony. At that moment [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] can be heard outside, and a [[Number Five]] announces that they will enter the temple. Several men try to block them, but the Cylons force their way in and gunfire can be seen and heard. While trying to run away Cally falls to the ground protecting her baby, but Nora is shot and killed when she tries to retrieve her bag.

===Episode 5===
*Running time: ~1:56
Tyrol, Cally and Jammer return Nora's bag to Duck, and inform him about the death of Nora. Duck is physically sickened by the news. He becomes angry and demands to know if there were weapons in the temple. Tyrol tries to avoid the question, but Duck doesn't relent until Tyrol admits the truth. At that point, Duck orders them out of his tent.

===Episode 6===
*Running time: ~1:37
Three days after the attack on the temple, Tigh, Barolay, and Jammer discuss the results of the attack, which has brought about positive effects for the resistance. The general population has started to side with the resistance and 1,000 people protested outside [[Colonial One]] over the attack on the temple. Since the attack, recruitment has become easier with 150 Colonials signing up. Tigh thinks that this was a good deal because the loss of a few weapons was worth the propaganda victory. However, Jammer is upset that the loss of 10 lives was not worth it. Tigh comes down hard on Jammer, stating that people die in war, nice people, and the resistance has no room for crybabies.

===Episode 7===
*Running time: ~1:58

[[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] discuss the capture of [[Jammer]] by the Cylons. Tyrol insists that Jammer won't reveal the work of the resistance. Jammer is imprisoned in the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is visited by a [[Number Five]], who frees him of his bonds and says he wants to talk to him about what happened in the temple.

===Episode 8===
*Running time: ~3:56
[[Number Five]] proposes to [[Jammer]] that the massacre at the [[temple]] may have actually been planned by the [[Resistance]]. Number Five reminds Jammer of the good that has been accomplished by working together in peace. He offers Jammer the chance to stop further bloodshed by informing the [[Cylons]] of potentially life-threatening actions by the Resistance. Jammer balks at the idea of becoming a [[New Caprica Police|traitor]] to the Resistance, but accepts a key card which will let him enter the Cylon detention center to report the Resistance's secret plans if he chooses to become an informant.

===Episode 9===
*Running time: ~3:07
[[James Lyman|Jammer]] is released from the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is met outside by [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Tyrol notes that he was informed of Jammer's arrest by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], and then asks him what he told the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Jammer nervously explains that the Toasters questioned him about the [[temple]] massacre. Jammer reassures Tyrol that he did not tell the Cylons anything, but Tyrol appears doubtful.

Meanwhile, [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] returns to his tent and begins to clean up the mess from his earlier outburst. He bursts into tears while gathering up a broken picture frame and an icon of the [[Lords of Kobol]].

===Episode 10===
*Running time: ~4:34
After the dedication ceremony for [[Galen Tyrol]] and [[Cally Henderson Tyrol]]'s [[Nicholas Tyrol|son]], [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] approaches Tyrol in the temple. Duck informs Tyrol that he has joined the [[New Caprica Police]]., in hopes of finding out who tipped the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]] off and is responsible for [[Nora]]'s death.

Afterwards, Tyrol meets in the backroom with [[Saul Tigh]], [[James Lyman|Jammer]] and [[Jean Barolay]] to discuss their next move against the Cylons. Tigh suggests hiding explosives in the grain silo, which Jammer points out is across from the hospital. When Tigh shows a lack of concern for the patients' safety, Jammer excuses himself "to patrol the perimeter."

Outside, Duck is smoking and examining his new NCP patch. He puts it away when Jammer comes out, and the two friends share a smoke together. Jammer notices that Duck said he was going to quit, to which Duck says "What's the point?" and leaves. Once alone, Jammer sits quietly, and reaches into his pocket to find the Cylon device [[Number Five]] gave him. 

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==
*Jammer is unsurprised to hear that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] have been speaking. Apparently they have resumed some sort of contact since the occupation. How does this sit with other members of the resistance?

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"
[[Image:Chinese_characters.png|thumb|300px|The Chinese Characters behind Tyrol in Webisode 7]]
*Three [[Wikipedia:Chinese character|Chinese characters]] can be seen on a crate behind Tyrol at around 2:10 (in the countdown-style timer used by the SciFi.com Video Player) in the seventh episode. They are too blurry to readily identify. They are "盐","渍" or "溃", "姜" respectively.
*Currently, for legal reasons, attempting to view the webisodes from outside of the USA will present you with a frozen video player stating either of two messages:
** "Your video will begin playing after a brief advertisement." (in the case of the webisode splash page currently on scifi.com)
** "We're sorry, but the clip selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." (if the user opens the video on Sci Fi's Pulse website)
:Users outside of America will have to wait until a DVD release, television broadcast, or some other means becomes available to view them.
* Originally it was stated that new webisodes would be available midnight on Tuesday and Thursday. This no longer appears to be the case, but rather new webisodes appearing at noon [[Wikipedia:North American Eastern Time Zone|EDT]] on the appropriate day.
* In the sixth episode, Tigh states that 20 billion humans were "burned" by the Cylons. Also, he uses a new slang term for Centurions, "chrome jobs." This is likely inspired by the [[Caprica Resistance]]'s calling [[Cylon agent|cylon agents]] "skin jobs."
*[[Number Five]] uses Jammer's real name, [[James Lyman]].
*Episode Nine was made available Monday, October 2nd, 2006 at noon.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

'''''[[#Episode 6|Episode Six]]'''''

:'''[[Jammer]]''': What about the ten innocent people? Why don't you tell [[Duck]] what a bargain you got for Nora's life? 
:'''[[Saul Tigh]]''': You got that ass-backwards, sonny. We didn't shoot those people, the chrome jobs did... 
:'''Jammer''': Because we hid weapons there! 
:'''Tigh''': Hey! We're not playing pattycake here. These bastards burned up [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|twenty billion]] of us, you gonna say that's our fault, too? Instead of bawlin' like a little girl, you should focus on getting some payback. 
:'''Jammer''': Is that all this is about to you? Blood for blood? 
:'''Tigh''': We're at war! War is messy! People get killed- good people, nice people. Get that through your head, or get out! We don't need any cry-babies in this outfit.

== Official Statements ==

When ''[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|Battlestar Wiki asked Bradley Thompson]]'' about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

"Nora is played by Emily Holmes. Longo is spelled the way you have it." -- contents of September 5, 2006 message from [[Bradley Thompson]]

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Cast ==
These are listed in the order they appeared during the 10 episodes.

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
| 1
|
|
| 4
| 5
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
| 7
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
|
|
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Dominic Zamprogna]]
| [[Jammer]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
| 6
| 7
| 8
| 9
| 10
|-
| [[Michael Hogan]]
| [[Saul Tigh]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
| 7
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[imdb:nm0391820|Emily Holmes]]
| [[Nora]]
| 1
|
| 3
| 4
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Alisen Down]]
| [[Jean Barolay]]
|
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[imdb:nm0601003|Carmen Moore]]
| [[Tivenan|Sister Tivenan]]
|
| 2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 10
|-
| [[Matthew Bennett]]
| [[Number Five]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 7
| 8
|
|
|}

== Crew ==
In his September 6th 2006 [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/09/#a001251 official blog post], [[Ronald D. Moore]] recognized all the crew involved in the production of the webisodes.

Director: [[Wayne Rose]].
Writers: [[Bradley Thompson]] & [[David Weddle]].
Executive Producers: [[Ron D. Moore]] and [[David Eick]].
Producer: [[Harvey Frand]].
Co-Producers: Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.
Producer, Post Production work: Paul Leonard.
Director of Photography: John Drake.
Editors: Michael O'Halloran, Tim Kinzy, Ian Kezbaum, and Harry Jierjian.
Music: [[Bear McCreary]].

Visual Effects Supervisor: [[Gary Hutzel]].
Unit Production Manager: Boris Ivanov.
First Assistant Directors: Shirley-Anne Parsons and Alexia Droz.
Second Assistant Director: Mindy Heslin.
Set Costumes Supervisor: Keith Parent.
Make-up Artist: Ankara Eden.
Second Assistant, Make-up: Liz Raman Nair.
First Assistant, Hair Stylist: Jamie McKay.
Prop Assistants: Glenn Hilworth, Gerry Thompson, and Robert Stecky.
Sound Mixer: Mark Noda.

Boom Operators: Keith Henderson and Tony Wyman.
First Assistant Camera: Shannon Abbott.
Digital Imaging Technician: Tracy Sim.
Gaffer: Guy Patterson.
Best Boy, Electric: Paul Bougie.
Genny Operator: Murray Chysyk.
Lamp Operator: Blair McDonald.
Key Grip: Mark Leiterman.
Best Boy Grips: Dave McKinlay and Ron Baran.
Script Supervisor: Carol Green-Lundy.
Medic and Craft Services: Tim Gunderson.

''Battlestar Galactica'' Main Title Theme by [[Richard Gibbs]].

Scoring and Orchestral Engineer: Steve Kaplan.
Music Editor: Michael Baber.
Special Effects Coordinators: Al Collis and Kevin Andruschak.

Studio Executive: Richard Rothstein.
Studio Executive in Charge of Production: Todd Sharp.
Network Executives: Mark Stern and Erik Storey.

====Dedication====

Ron D. Moore added a special dedication to the credits:

<blockquote>''All of the above people worked above and beyond the call of duty to deliver these Webisodes to you and they did it while also working to deliver the regular episodes of the third season. They did it without any template of how these things were to be done and they did it in defiance of a limited budget and a extraordinarily truncated shooting schedule.''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''I'm proud of them and proud of their work. I hope you'll agree.''</blockquote>

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance," which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

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'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' is an online series that aims to fill in the gaps between seasons [[Season 2 (2005-06)|two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The webisodes can be viewed through the official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/ web portal] at [http://www.scifi.com/ SciFi.com]. An official [http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/faq.html FAQ] deals with availability and technical issues.

The webisode series was written by ''Battlestar Galactica'' veterans [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and it was directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, divided into 10 episodes.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===
* Running time: ~3:19
* Starts on the 67th day after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult. The Cylons have instituted a curfew. Violators go to jail, which is the first thing the Cylons built on [[New Caprica]]. New Capricans are shot on the spot if weapons are found in their tents. A stash of weapons belonging to [[Longo]] was confiscated by the Cylons, but the resistance was able to retrieve some of them which were hidden underneath his latrine. The Cylons are also setting up a [[New Caprica Police|human police force]] to take over for the [[Cylon Centurion]]s, who are doing most of the police work.

===Episode 2===
*Running time: ~1:54
Duck has refused to work with the resistance, on the grounds of his relationship and intended child with Nora. Tyrol is highly displeased at this, particularly his reasons, as they parallel Tyrol's own situation; Jammer suggests respecting Duck's decision.

A ritual for protection of the crops from blight is said in the temple. As Sister [[Tivenan]] leaves, Jean Barolay abruptly shifts the conversation to the movement of the weapons stash into the [[temple]]; Jammer strongly objects, but he is overruled by Tigh.

===Episode 3===
*Running time: ~2:42
In the evening, Nora prays to Aphrodite to bless she and Duck with a child. He tells her his decision about joining the resistance. She is pleased that he refused Tyrol.

During the night, Tigh, Tyrol, Jammer, and Barolay move the weapons into the temple disguising them.

The next morning, Nora wakes Duck saying he will be late to work. She tries to convince him to go to temple after work with her. He refuses, saying he talks to the gods in his own way.

===Episode 4===
*Running time: ~1:57
[[Cally]] and [[Nora]] visit the temple. Nora is holding Cally's baby while Cally is performing a ceremony. At that moment [[Cylon Centurion|Cylon Centurions]] can be heard outside, and a [[Number Five]] announces that they will enter the temple. Several men try to block them, but the Cylons force their way in and gunfire can be seen and heard. While trying to run away Cally falls to the ground protecting her baby, but Nora is shot and killed when she tries to retrieve her bag.

===Episode 5===
*Running time: ~1:56
Tyrol, Cally and Jammer return Nora's bag to Duck, and inform him about the death of Nora. Duck is physically sickened by the news. He becomes angry and demands to know if there were weapons in the temple. Tyrol tries to avoid the question, but Duck doesn't relent until Tyrol admits the truth. At that point, Duck orders them out of his tent.

===Episode 6===
*Running time: ~1:37
Three days after the attack on the temple, Tigh, Barolay, and Jammer discuss the results of the attack, which has brought about positive effects for the resistance. The general population has started to side with the resistance and 1,000 people protested outside [[Colonial One]] over the attack on the temple. Since the attack, recruitment has become easier with 150 Colonials signing up. Tigh thinks that this was a good deal because the loss of a few weapons was worth the propaganda victory. However, Jammer is upset that the loss of 10 lives was not worth it. Tigh comes down hard on Jammer, stating that people die in war, nice people, and the resistance has no room for crybabies.

===Episode 7===
*Running time: ~1:58

[[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Saul Tigh|Tigh]] discuss the capture of [[Jammer]] by the Cylons. Tyrol insists that Jammer won't reveal the work of the resistance. Jammer is imprisoned in the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is visited by a [[Number Five]], who frees him of his bonds and says he wants to talk to him about what happened in the temple.

===Episode 8===
*Running time: ~3:56
[[Number Five]] proposes to [[Jammer]] that the massacre at the [[temple]] may have actually been planned by the [[Resistance]]. Number Five reminds Jammer of the good that has been accomplished by working together in peace. He offers Jammer the chance to stop further bloodshed by informing the [[Cylons]] of potentially life-threatening actions by the Resistance. Jammer balks at the idea of becoming a [[New Caprica Police|traitor]] to the Resistance, but accepts a key card which will let him enter the Cylon detention center to report the Resistance's secret plans if he chooses to become an informant.

===Episode 9===
*Running time: ~3:07
[[James Lyman|Jammer]] is released from the [[New Caprica Detention Center]] and is met outside by [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]]. Tyrol notes that he was informed of Jammer's arrest by [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]], and then asks him what he told the [[Cylons (RDM)|Cylons]]. Jammer nervously explains that the Toasters questioned him about the [[temple]] massacre. Jammer reassures Tyrol that he did not tell the Cylons anything, but Tyrol appears doubtful.

Meanwhile, [[Tucker Clellan|Duck]] returns to his tent and begins to clean up the mess from his earlier outburst. He bursts into tears while gathering up a broken picture frame and an icon of the [[Lords of Kobol]].

===Episode 10===

== Questions ==

== Analysis ==
*Jammer is unsurprised to hear that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica copy)|Boomer]] have been speaking. Apparently they have resumed some sort of friendship since the occupation. How does this sit with other members of the resistance?
*It's possible that [[Galen Tyrol|Tyrol]] said "rumor" told him about Jammer's arrest, not Boomer.

== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"
[[Image:Chinese_characters.png|thumb|300px|The Chinese Characters behind Tyrol in Webisode 7]]
*Three [[Wikipedia:Chinese character|Chinese characters]] can be seen on a crate behind Tyrol at around 2:10 (in the countdown-style timer used by the SciFi.com Video Player) in the seventh episode. They are too blurry to readily identify. They are "盐","渍" or "溃", "姜" respectively.
*Currently, for legal reasons, attempting to view the webisodes from outside of the USA will present you with a frozen video player stating either of two messages:
** "Your video will begin playing after a brief advertisement." (in the case of the webisode splash page currently on scifi.com)
** "We're sorry, but the clip selected isn't available from your location. Please select another clip." (if the user opens the video on Sci Fi's Pulse website)
:Users outside of America will have to wait until a DVD release, television broadcast, or some other means becomes available to view them.
* Originally it was stated that new webisodes would be available midnight on Tuesday and Thursday. This no longer appears to be the case, but rather new webisodes appearing at noon [[Wikipedia:North American Eastern Time Zone|EDT]] on the appropriate day.
* In the sixth episode, Tigh states that 20 billion humans were "burned" by the Cylons. Also, he uses a new slang term for Centurions, "chrome jobs." This is likely inspired by the [[Caprica Resistance]]'s calling [[Cylon agent|cylon agents]] "skin jobs."
*[[Number Five]] uses Jammer's real name, [[James Lyman]].
*Episode Nine was made available Monday, October 2nd, 2006 at noon.

== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

'''''Episode Six'''''

'''[[Jammer]]''': What about the ten innocent people? Why don't you tell [[Duck]] what a bargain you got for Nora's life? 
'''[[Saul Tigh]]''': You got that ass-backwards, sonny. We didn't shoot those people, the chrome jobs did... 
'''Jammer''': Because we hid weapons there! 
'''Tigh''': Hey! We're not playing pattycake here. These bastards burned up [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies|twenty billion]] of us, you gonna say that's our fault, too? Instead of bawlin' like a little girl, you should focus on getting some payback. 
'''Jammer''': Is that all this is about to you? Blood for blood? 
'''Tigh''': We're at war! War is messy! People get killed- good people, nice people. Get that through your head, or get out! We don't need any cry-babies in this outfit.

== Official Statements ==

When ''[[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|Battlestar Wiki asked Bradley Thompson]]'' about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

"Nora is played by Emily Holmes. Longo is spelled the way you have it." -- contents of September 5, 2006 message from [[Bradley Thompson]]

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Cast ==
These are listed in the order they appeared during the 10 episodes.

{| class="messagebox" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2"
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Cast Member'''
! class="infoboxheader" | '''Character'''
! class="infoboxheader" colspan="10" | '''Episode(s)'''
|-
| [[Nicki Clyne]]
| [[Cally Henderson Tyrol|Cally Henderson]]
| 1
|
|
| 4
| 5
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Aaron Douglas]]
| [[Galen Tyrol]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
| 7
|
| 9
|
|-
| [[Christian Tessier]]
| [[Tucker Clellan|Tucker "Duck" Clellan]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
|
|
|
| 9
|
|-
| [[Dominic Zamprogna]]
| [[Jammer]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
| 5
| 6
| 7
| 8
| 9
|
|-
| [[Michael Hogan]]
| [[Saul Tigh]]
| 1
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
| 7
|
|
|
|-
| [[imdb:nm0391820|Emily Holmes]]
| [[Nora]]
| 1
|
| 3
| 4
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Alisen Down]]
| [[Jean Barolay]]
|
| 2
| 3
|
|
| 6
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[imdb:nm0601003|Carmen Moore]]
| [[Tivenan|Sister Tivenan]]
|
| 2
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|-
| [[Matthew Bennett]]
| [[Number Five]]
|
|
|
|
|
|
| 7
| 8
|
|
|}

== Crew ==
In his September 6th 2006 [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/09/#a001251 official blog post], [[Ronald D. Moore]] recognized all the crew involved in the production of the webisodes.

Director: [[Wayne Rose]].
Writers: [[Bradley Thompson]] & [[David Weddle]].
Executive Producers: [[Ron D. Moore]] and [[David Eick]].
Producer: [[Harvey Frand]].
Co-Producers: Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.
Producer, Post Production work: Paul Leonard.
Director of Photography: John Drake.
Editors: Michael O'Halloran, Tim Kinzy, Ian Kezbaum, and Harry Jierjian.
Music: [[Bear McCreary]].

Visual Effects Supervisor: [[Gary Hutzel]].
Unit Production Manager: Boris Ivanov.
First Assistant Directors: Shirley-Anne Parsons and Alexia Droz.
Second Assistant Director: Mindy Heslin.
Set Costumes Supervisor: Keith Parent.
Make-up Artist: Ankara Eden.
Second Assistant, Make-up: Liz Raman Nair.
First Assistant, Hair Stylist: Jamie McKay.
Prop Assistants: Glenn Hilworth, Gerry Thompson, and Robert Stecky.
Sound Mixer: Mark Noda.

Boom Operators: Keith Henderson and Tony Wyman.
First Assistant Camera: Shannon Abbott.
Digital Imaging Technician: Tracy Sim.
Gaffer: Guy Patterson.
Best Boy, Electric: Paul Bougie.
Genny Operator: Murray Chysyk.
Lamp Operator: Blair McDonald.
Key Grip: Mark Leiterman.
Best Boy Grips: Dave McKinlay and Ron Baran.
Script Supervisor: Carol Green-Lundy.
Medic and Craft Services: Tim Gunderson.

''Battlestar Galactica'' Main Title Theme by [[Richard Gibbs]].

Scoring and Orchestral Engineer: Steve Kaplan.
Music Editor: Michael Baber.
Special Effects Coordinators: Al Collis and Kevin Andruschak.

Studio Executive: Richard Rothstein.
Studio Executive in Charge of Production: Todd Sharp.
Network Executives: Mark Stern and Erik Storey.

====Dedication====

Ron D. Moore added a special dedication to the credits:

<blockquote>''All of the above people worked above and beyond the call of duty to deliver these Webisodes to you and they did it while also working to deliver the regular episodes of the third season. They did it without any template of how these things were to be done and they did it in defiance of a limited budget and a extraordinarily truncated shooting schedule.''</blockquote>

<blockquote>''I'm proud of them and proud of their work. I hope you'll agree.''</blockquote>

== Guest Stars ==

== References ==
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[[Category:Behind the Scenes]]
[[Category:Episodes directed by Wayne Rose]]
[[Category:Episode Guide (RDM)|*]]
[[Category:Episodes written by Bradley Thompson]]
[[Category:Episodes written by David Weddle]]
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Talk:Number Three/Archive 1

2006-10-03T02:59:44Z

123home123:

> and may be one of the eight agents Sharon Valerii revealed to be onboard the Galactica.

When did she reveal this? A link to the episode would be helpful.

:I'm guessing it'll be during her interrogation in one of the new episodes. [[User:Kuralyov|Kuralyov]] 11:42, 5 Jul 2005 (EDT)

:It was, Dr Gaius drugged the chief and he was going to die, and told Boomer that unless she tells him how many cylons there are in the fleet, he would let the chief die. --Viper[[User:68.89.164.132|68.89.164.132]] 19:22, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Also, how do we know this? Ive seen all the eps aired and would have recognized lucy lawless much less if she was revealed to be a cylon --Viper[[User:68.89.164.132|68.89.164.132]] 19:22, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)
: The episode has yet to air, thus you haven't seen it. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:37, 20 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:''Since Biers has not appeared in past episodes that feature the fleet-wide press, it can be speculated that prior to the Cylon Attack, she was more of a tabloid investigative reporter than a mainstream journalist.''

Actually, there's a simpler explanation - the journalists we've seen so far have mostly been members of the press crew covering ''Galactica'''s decomissioning - print journalists and radio commentators. Biers is a filmmaker. I mean, you wouldn't expect to find Michael Moore covering a white house press conference, right? That's just not what he does. --[[User:Peter Farago|Peter Farago]] 17:41, 11 September 2005 (EDT)

I found a good news item for Lucy Lawless's future on the show. It comes from a reliable entertainment news site.

"Lucy Lawless is joining the cast of SciFi's Battlestar Galactica for 10 episodes of the third season. Lawless is reprising her role as D'Anna Biers." Here's the link (you just need to scroll about halfway down): http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0602/06/index.htm
--Ltcrashdown 21:27, 6 February 2006 (EST)

:Um, better than that LTcrashdown, it says this on the front page of the official Scifi.com site. This link just copies the press released from the official site. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 22:42, 6 February 2006 (EST)

== Entertainment Weekly ==

Should it be mentioned that in one of the recent issues of EW, there was some information stating that D'Anna would be the {{spoiltext|leader of the Cylons? The text was "Former Xena, Lucy Lawless, will parlay her second appearance (on Feb. 24) as sentient hottie/brassy TV reporter D'Anna Biers into a full-time gig on Sci-Fi's Battlestar Galactica. The 10-epicode arc, starting next season, will detail D'Anna's emergence as - SPOILER ALERT - leader of her human-hating species, the Cylons. "I'm disinterested in playing a bleeding-heart Cylon," Lawless giggles. Besides, she points out cryptically, "no evil person thinks they're evil."}}--[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 08:44, 7 February 2006 (EST)

DrBat, please read the article first. On January 29th I already got this information from a Lucy Lawless official fansite's transcript of Lawless's appearance at a the official XenaCon. But she also gave the idea that she is not "the" leader of the Cylons; factions will develop when she claims this. Mainstream press like EW usually isn't as accurate as straight-from-the-horse's-mouth actor fansites. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 18:29, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:Metinks Number Six will have a BIG problem with D'anna trying to take over, IMO. They'll be a catfight on Caprica of epic proportions! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 23:56, 7 February 2006 (EST)
:Can you post a link and/or some what she said onto Bier's entry? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 12:31, 8 February 2006 (EST)

::Um, that's why I was complaining: I ''already'' put all of this information onto the "D'anna" article, plus I ''already'' provided links for it to the Lawless fansite I got it from (which has proved a quite reliable source in the past; Lawless gives lots of spoilers). I am sorry, but the impression I got was that Dreamer didn't bother to read this article before adding redundant material. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 16:12, 8 February 2006 (EST)
:::I don't know if you're referring to me, but all the quote on the page says is that the character sets herself up as a god. It doesn't say anything about factions developing among the Cylons over whether or not to view her as their leader. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 11:56, 9 February 2006 (EST)

{{spoiltext|Other spoilers from the same source relate how Number Six is going to beat a D'anna copy to death with a rock and fight her, etc., plus other sources have talked about internal factions: they're dividing. }}--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] 13:42, 9 February 2006 (EST)
:I believe you, I was just asking if you could post a link and some text about the factions. The current link only mentions Lucy playing a character who views herself as a god. --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 07:33, 10 February 2006 (EST)

==Fanlisting==

Um, what exactly does a fanlist do?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 07:32, 18 April 2006 (CDT)
:They list all 20 fans, of course, including both "D'Anna Biers" and "LINDSAY." ...So, to be less bitterly sarcastic, they let fans of something know about other fans so they can contact each other or whatever. I'd vote for the link getting pulled. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]] 10:34, 18 April 2006 (CDT)

==Main Image==
Hey, I was wondering which of these three images you would prefer if I placed as a main image.

The first is the same as the current, but cropped so that we can actually see her better.

The second is another promo image, cropped to show a specific section of her, and she is in another psot.

The third is a crop of the last.

<gallery>
Image:Drei.jpg
Image:Drei2.jpg
Image:Drei3.jpg
</gallery>

I myself sort of prefer the middle or last one, but all are good for me. The most important thing is that the image conveys the character and her attitude, so other people's opinions would be nice :)--[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 16:45, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:I'm thinking the third one. [[User:Noneofyourbusiness|Noneofyourbusiness]] 18:01, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
:I'll go for the third one too. The black background is easier on the eyes, but you see more of her than in pic 2 --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 18:03, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
::Great, I'll put the third one then ;) --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 18:17, 17 September 2006 (CDT)

== Capitalization of the "A" in D'Anna ==

I noticed that the main page for the character has a lowercase "a" after the apostrophe. That doesn't appear to be correct. The episode summaries on the official Sci Fi site spell the name with a capital A. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 23:21, 2 October 2006 (EDT)

User:123home123

2006-10-03T02:49:48Z

123home123: /* '''Jammer's name''' */

Hello fellow Battlestar Galactica fans!

This website is a great resource for our favorite show. Though other guides are useful and interesting, they don't always contain as many details and reference articles as Battlestar Wiki does.

So far I've mostly been a passive browser of the site, although I'm currently trying to help figure out what Jammer's real last name is. Since his name was only stated in one of the Web episodes, we can't turn to closed captioning. Perhaps Ronald Moore will update the list of credits he posted on his official blog.

== '''Jammer's name''' ==

My theory was that Jammer's name is Lynah. First of all, it sounds like Doral is pronouncing the name with an "L" although other users here think he is using an "M" sound. Initially I thought the name was something like Lanham or Lynam. Then I remembered that Ronald Moore went to Cornell and that he likes to throw in the occasional reference to Cornell in the series. Probably the most popular sport at Cornell is hockey, and all the games take place at Lynah Rink. Mr. Moore attended the college for at least three years before being expelled so I'm certain that he is very familiar with Lynah Rink and its place in Cornell sports history.

UPDATE-Jammer's name has been confirmed as James Lynam. Oh well. I still like my theory, even if it's wrong.

== '''Another Cornell reference''' ==

For another Cornell reference, take a look at the Downloaded episode. In the scene where Caprica Six is visiting with Boomer (the copy on Caprica is informally known as Boomer while the copy in the Galactica brig is known as Sharon, according to Grace Park), Six admires a tabletop sculpture in Boomer's apartment. Boomer says the sculpture is Ithacan. Cornell University is located in Ithaca, New York. Although that town is named after the famous home of Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey, it's highly likely that Ronald Moore added that line as a reference to Cornell.

== '''My biographical info''' ==

I haven't had time to type one up. I'm not sure what I want to add here either. I will say that I've been a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica series ever since the 2003 miniseries. That 13-month wait between the miniseries and the start of Season One was almost excruciating. :lol:

As I get more familiar with this site, I will try to make careful edits and add any verifiable information that I can. I think it's pretty neat that some of the actual BSG writers show up on this site to clarify facts about the show. Thanks to Bradley Thompson for his contributions and thanks to everyone who is working on this site.

Portal:Battlestar Galactica (RDM)/Season 3 Guide

2006-09-30T02:41:08Z

123home123: Added "A Day in the Life" to the Season 3 list

{|
|-
! class="infoboxheader" | Episode #
! class="infoboxheader" | Title
! class="infoboxheader" | Airdate
! class="infoboxheader" | Screenshot

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 01
| [[Occupation]] ([[Talk:Occupation|Talk]])'''
| October 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''The Colonials survive on [[New Caprica]] under Cylon rule, with some collaborating and others fighting back.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 01.5
| [[Precipice]] ([[Talk:Precipice|Talk]])'''
| October 2006
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 02
| [[Exodus, Part I]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part I|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 03
| [[Exodus, Part II]] ([[Talk:Exodus, Part II|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 04
| [[Collaborators]] ([[Talk:Collaborators|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 05
| [[Torn]] ([[Talk:Torn|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 06
| [[A Measure of Salvation]] ([[Talk:A Measure of Salvation|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 07
| [[Hero]] ([[Talk:Hero|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 08
| [[Unfinished Business]] ([[Talk:Unfinished Business|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 09
| [[The Passage]] ([[Talk:The Passage|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 10
| [[The Eye of Jupiter]] ([[Talk:The Eye of Jupiter|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' ''See Episode Guide Page.''
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 11
| [[Rapture]] ([[Talk:Rapture|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 12
| [[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]] ([[Talk:Taking a Break From All Your Worries|Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 13
| [[The Woman King]] ([[Talk:The Woman King |Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A

|- class="infoboxheader"
| height="10" align="center" | 14
| [[A Day in the Life]] ([[Talk:A Day in the Life |Talk]])'''
| TBA
| rowspan="2" | [[Image:Universal logo.jpg|200px]]
|- class="infoboxheader"
| colspan="3" valign="top" | '''Summary''' See Episode Guide Page.
'''Quote''' "''N/A''" -- N/A



|}
<div align="center">
{{subpage edit|{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Season 3 Guide}}
</div>

Talk:James Lyman/Archive 1

2006-09-29T16:59:45Z

123home123: /* Jammer's Name */

Here's a thought: if Jammer turns out to be a Cylon, maybe that flight deck accident in "Act of Contrition" that caused the death of 13 pilots was caused by him? Hadrian said it looked like just basic metal fatigue on the missile-drone's support rack; but what if the metal was ''weakened''? Could be an exciting retcon. --[[User:Ricimer|Ricimer]] 20:55, 21 October 2005 (EDT)

:Now you're thinking the way the Cylons want you to think. ;) --[[User:MASON|MASON]] 23:41:33, 2005-10-21 (EDT)

==Jammer's Name==

Jammer was just given a name in the seventh episode of The Resistance: James Martin. I added it to his infobox and modified the note about his name. Probably some other things can be changed as well. --[[User:Alpha5099|Alpha5099]] 11:43, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
:I'm with you on the "James", but I had trouble with his last name. It sounded like Lineham, or Lieman, but definitely very "L"-ish. Once we have his name nailed down we can move the article to that name like everybody else. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:30, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

::I've moved the page, but it might have been premature. We'll leave it here until someone can get a clear bead. I did hear "Martin." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:52, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Nevermind. Right you are. Thanks for moving the article to the proper location. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:54, 26 September 2006 (CDT)

:I understood "Have a seat Mr. Martin", too --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:02, 26 September 2006 (CDT)
::I listened to it again trying to hear "Martin" but I had a hard time hearing that. I listened to it again and it could be an L at the beginning but I may be thinking it is a W. The 1st vowel is definitely a long I as in TIE. The 2nd syllable I believe I hear -mon, -man, -men, -min or something starting with an M and end with an N. I think the name could be Liemon (or some spelling variant) or Wieman (or some spelling variant). --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:26, 26 September 2006 (AST)

:It sounded like Lanham or Lynam to me. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 3:35, 27 September 2006 (EDT)

:Okay, I think I have it figured out. It's Lynah. Lynah? you ask. Yes, Lynah. It's a sly reference to the skating rink at Cornell University, Lynah Rink. Ronald Moore attended Cornell although he didn't finish his degree. He was expelled during his senior year as he notes in his recent blog post on the Sci Fi site. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 2:38, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

::To be honest, I'm hearing "Martin". I just listened to it four or five times, and it ''definitely'' sounds like Martin. --[[User:Madbrood|Madbrood]] 06:37, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

::Hmm, it still sounds like an "L" to me. Hopefully Ronald Moore will clear this up soon. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 11:59, 28 September 2006 (EDT)

:::Yeah, I hope so too. It's such a petty thing to be caught up on the spelling of the last name of a minor character but here we are. I listened to it again twice and I am emphatically sure it's not Martin. I hear for the 1st syllable either a Wy- or a Ly-. I don't hear an 'a' in the 1st syllable or an R, and I don't hear a T in the 2nd syllable. In light of all this, I think this article should be removed/deleted and replaced with the original "Jammer" until it is clarified by Bradley Thompson or other BSG officials. --[[User:Straycat0|Straycat0]] 11:13, 28 September 2006 (AST)

::::I'm sure someone will leave this one for Bradley to answer. We've had good luck in asking about names for Cally and Crashdown, and Bradley joined us to correct our [[Margaret Edmondson]] name, which was shown in screen caps incorrectly. Given that most of us hear "Martin," I'd rather leave it as-is until other official information tells us otherwise. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 15:27, 28 September 2006 (CDT)

:::Actually, most of the people that have posted here have heard something other than "Martin". I don't know how this guide should be handled for now, but I don't think it's a good idea to have it listed under James Martin when that information hasn't been verified (and may be incorrect). Changing it back to "Jammer" seems like a good idea. --[[User:123home123|123home123]] 13:20, 29 September 2006 (EDT)

User:123home123

2006-09-28T16:06:44Z

123home123: Updated bio

Hello fellow Battlestar Galactica fans!

This website is a great resource for our favorite show. Though other guides are useful and interesting, they don't always contain as many details and reference articles as Battlestar Wiki does.

So far I've mostly been a passive browser of the site, although I'm currently trying to help figure out what Jammer's real last name is. Since his name was only stated in one of the Web episodes, we can't turn to closed captioning. Perhaps Ronald Moore will update the list of credits he posted on his official blog.

== '''Jammer's name''' ==

My theory is that Jammer's name is Lynah. First of all, it sounds like Doral is pronouncing the name with an "L" although other users here think he is using an "M" sound. Initially I thought the name was something like Lanham or Lynam. Then I remembered that Ronald Moore went to Cornell and that he likes to throw in the occasional reference to Cornell in the series. Probably the most popular sport at Cornell is hockey, and all the games take place at Lynah Rink. Mr. Moore attended the college for at least three years before being expelled so I'm certain that he is very familiar with Lynah Rink and its place in Cornell sports history.

== '''Another Cornell reference''' ==

For another Cornell reference, take a look at the Downloaded episode. In the scene where Caprica Six is visiting with Boomer (the copy on Caprica is informally known as Boomer while the copy in the Galactica brig is known as Sharon, according to Grace Park), Six admires a tabletop sculpture in Boomer's apartment. Boomer says the sculpture is Ithacan. Cornell University is located in Ithaca, New York. Although that town is named after the famous home of Odysseus in Homer's Odyssey, it's highly likely that Ronald Moore added that line as a reference to Cornell.

== '''My biographical info''' ==

I haven't had time to type one up. I'm not sure what I want to add here either. I will say that I've been a fan of the new Battlestar Galactica series ever since the 2003 miniseries. That 13-month wait between the miniseries and the start of Season One was almost excruciating. :lol:

As I get more familiar with this site, I will try to make careful edits and add any verifiable information that I can. I think it's pretty neat that some of the actual BSG writers show up on this site to clarify facts about the show. Thanks to Bradley Thompson for his contributions and thanks to everyone who is working on this site.

Talk:Main Page/Archive6

2006-09-28T16:00:55Z

123home123: /* Techincal */

{{archive-header
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== Battlestar Wiki "referenced" ==
A "little bird" tipped me of to a [http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?title=doomsday_not_as_much_fun_as_you_d_think&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 Scientific American blog entry] that referenced Battlestar Wiki. It's kind of dangerous doing a direct link to wiki-content like that, but it's neat that we're being linked to. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 07:57, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:For those curious, [[User:Gmusser]] is the author of the blog entry. (This can be deduced from the link and the author's name.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:28, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Question: Should we be annoyed that someone used BattlestarWiki material in their magazine like that, or does it not matter because they're things he contributed to, or what?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 23:35, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::It doesn't strike me as a bad thing. Of course, I didn't check to see if the very similar wording was originally contributed by him; I'd imagine it was, so it'd be all positive. To work in a nitpick, so far as I can tell, it's not in the magazine, just online in their blog. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 04:41, 8 August 2006 (CDT)

==External images not working amnymore==
See my user page. All external images are no just showing as links --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 08:54, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:That sounds like it's probably a Mediawiki setting that can be toggled. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 09:02, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
::Yeah, it happened to me, as well; I tend to assume the same thing about the cause. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 23:13, 7 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Ive also noticed some odd things like the <nowki> tags and stuff arnt working properly, take a look at the box on the edit page where you can click the special characters and also the summaries on the recent edits. Has the wiki software been updated in the last few days to maybe have caused these little glitches? --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 16:40, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
::::I attempted to invoke {{tl|tl}} once or twice in edit summaries if that's what you mean, but I was forgetting that templates are not supposed to work in edit summaries. (It would do unfortunate things to upload summaries, for one thing.) --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]]) 17:29, 10 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::No this is something thats happened very recently. Edit this page and look at the bottom of the page. The code to add to your edits now is wrapped with <nowiki><nowiki></nowiki></nowiki> when it shoudl'nt parse that only the actual code in between. Its hard to explain but i think its related to the images not showing up Something has changed in the last week to make this all happen. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 02:56, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::I'll look into this... it's probably a setting issue since I upgraded the Wiki software to MediaWiki 1.7.1. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 09:55, 11 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::Something else ive noticed. When you search for an article that has no page yet. Eg http://www.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Wooyay it automaticly takes you to the edit page http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Wooyay&action=edit --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 05:30, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::::Actually, that was a change I made... I was trying to see something. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:31, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::::::I should have mentioned this but I noticed that if I hit ENTER key intead of clicking SEARCH, it gives the same behavior that Mercifull reports. (Maybe I shouldn't do that??).--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:05, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

== QotD ==

The quote is in need of an update. Would anybody be willing to do the honors? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 16:33, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
:Often I have to do a Crtl-F5 in IE on one of my computers to get it to refresh the QotD. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:15, 13 August 2006 (CDT)
::Depends on where you live also. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 18:18, 13 August 2006 (CDT)

== First person... ==

To get http://media.battlestarwiki.org/ active on their computer gets a [[Wikipedia:Cookie|cookie]]. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:36, 14 August 2006 (CDT)
:I win. Got it working 04:04, 18 August 2006 (CDT) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 04:04, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::I'm sorry, but I stole your cookie. Now I need some milk... :-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 18:33, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

== New Season 3 Teaser ==

During the SG-1 200th episode. Did someone capture this?! There was some shots that were not in the ... well original one. :-D --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:23, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:I will DVR the 1:00AM repeat. Thanks for the heads ups. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:30, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::it's a SciFi and Monk night. :-) (almost got the subdomains working with joe cept I have to do some reading so rewriting rules) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:36, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::This is the special. Not the episode it self, but I would get the show also. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::For some unexplicable reason, I didn't check the guide, like I always do on friday, when I got home or I would have been watching it (the special). I always DVR the 'Gates. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:54, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Did a quick writeup for the one on SG1-200 [[User:Gougef/Season 3 Teaser#Teaser From SG1-200 | here]].--[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:54, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::I Tivo'ed it on the first wave, some shots of Gatea, more Tigh (He's the "narrator") a great shot of Boomer (After entering the prison), Six. It was great, I haven't watched it again since I recorded it, but I will in a while (obviousley). --[[User:Sauron18|Sauron18]] 21:48, 18 August 2006 (CDT)

Is this it? http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-galactica/episodetrailers.html --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 19:12, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
:No, that is the Eureka teaser, which some of shots are in the this new one. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 19:34, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
::They air different trailers for different shows? --[[User:DrBat|DrBat]] 12:12, 27 August 2006 (CDT)
:::I may have missed it, but I don't think they have aired the same exact teaser twice? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 13:17, 27 August 2006 (CDT)

== "Media" Uploading ==

Now active. You can head over the the [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/ Media Wiki], sign up (with your same name), and start uploading. You won't be able to link the images to any articles pages just yet, but you can tag the image and upload them correctly for now. :) Enjoy! :) (Anyone have any ideas for a Main Page design?) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 20:21, 20 August 2006 (CDT)
: I was thinking of a smaller version of the Main Page design we have now. That would be fine by me. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 21:02, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

== Technical ==

Typo under Sister Projects. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 09:30, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
:I would have fixed it but I (being DUH!) couldn't figure out how to get to the page. When I click on the icon button beside "Sister" it stays on the home page. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 11:25, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
::doh. my fault. I'll change it in the [[BW:MAIN]] project so it won't happen again :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 11:30, 22 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Fix is up on main page. Battlestar Wiki: 1 Confusing Navigation: 0. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:10, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

== Search Box ==

Merc and others have been suggestion to me that we move the search box after the "navigation" box. Just wanted to get some option before I made such a move. Let me know. :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 12:18, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:I'd lean towards "movin' on up". It's on my screen at 1280x1024, but I can imagine it'd easily fall off smaller resolutions, and it's pretty useful for getting around (especially once you're used to shortcuts, etc.) I'm really enjoying the bsgMonoBook, by the way! I'm less enthused about the color scheme than I am the fact that we've got a choice now. If you don't like it, you can always run your own skin (now). --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:22, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Support as per discussion on gtalk. --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 13:03, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::Good idea. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 16:00, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Yeah, move it up, please. Just had the same idea. --[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 16:26, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::k. It will likly happen later tonight when go gets to do a nother update of the files. :) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:27, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::Done. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:42, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== Styles: Font style in edit box ==

I'm used to the fixed-width typeface in the editing box. Is this a new characteristic of the three skin options? I like the CSS for the most part, but it would be better to see text with a fixed width option more characteristic of wikis. Also, the Preview header text "This is only a preview; changes have not yet been saved!" shown in a article edit mode with the default BSG skin is so dark in my Firefox browser as to be unreadable. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:37, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Characterostic - Yes. I can change to what font. I am starting to hate the font in here myself because I can't see the wiki code very well. So give me a font and I will change it. Preview text - Sending to Joe for an upload. Minor mistake on my part. Anything else? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:47, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
:Will be back to the font that it was before on next update. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 17:34, 23 August 2006 (CDT)
::Done. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:43, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

==Airdates==
Holy cow! Being informative is good, but the Airdates section is continuing to grow unchecked. Any suggestions as to how we could slim down the look on the mainpage, but still have it be easy to access for people to find their respective airdates? --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:00, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
: I know this might sound biased, but one idea is to just list the US, Canada and UK airdates on the main page, then list all the other country airdates on a subpage in a fashion similar to what we do with the Main Page news. Since most of our audience is going to be from those countries anyway, we may as well focus on them.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 11:52, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
::I too was wary of bias. However, realistically we can't fit everybody's airdates on the main page. I'd like to have that info here, but it's not our primary mission (we're not tvguide.com). I concur that we should select a cutoff for main page airdates and then store the rest on a separate page. Maybe a one-link depth (clicking the "airdates" icon would take you to the "All airdates" article, of which the "US/UK/CAN" is just one of the child templates. This would require a change to the main page (pointing to the new US/UK/CAN template), the creation of the US/UK/CAN template, and a massive redesign of Mainpage/airdates to accomodate the new "global airdate" scheme (as well as including a display/edit of the US/UK/CAN template). That'd be my best guess. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:03, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
::{{support}} Before it was a problem having no airdates. Now we have a ton. [[BW:TV]]? --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:41, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

:::It might be late for my suggestions, but I was waiting for an official information. Here: 1- It's now official, Space Channel will be following the SciFi broadcasts. But it will be airing the day after, the saturday. So the Canadian airdate is almost the same as the US, it'll be kind of redundant, right? So my suggestion is to merge US and CAN, and have a side note that explain that CAN is the day after, the saturday. Or 2- My second suggestion is to have, on the main page, a quick list of the '''next new''' episode for each contry. Something like: 

::::'''US''' » ''Occupation'' and ''Precipice'' - Fri. October 6th 
::::'''CAN''' » ''Occupation'' and ''Precipice'' - Sat. October 7th 
::::'''UK''' » ''Occupation'' - October... 
::::'''AUS''' » ... 
::::''etc.'' 

:::We can also use the flag of the country! The idea of the list came because I'm not sure about the airdates of the reruns and the marathons needs to be on the main page and I think everyone can wish to come here just to have a quick look to know when the next episode is. But, with that, we create a second page with a section for each country for all the reruns airdates, the last week episode, the next two or tree weeks episodes... In other words, a TvGuide page. Some people might be interested in that kind of information, and since it won't be on the main page, I don't think that it's a problem to have a TvGuide. Or We keep it that way, it's good enough :) --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 13:13, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
::::Well... we already have the next and previous episode up at the top, but the airdates give the time and channel. {{flag|US}} is not working :( But to understand you correcty....

::::Main page - Times of next episodes only.
::::Other airdates - Times of next episodes only.
::::(New Page) TV Reruns - Times of next reruns for the same.

::::I would still suggest we keep the same lanauges and not do this witht he german dates as they have their own wiki. But US, UK, CAN, and AU I see no problem with. I would have to get some more flags imported :-) --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 14:04, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
:::::Why the US flag doesn't work? I agree to keep ''english'' airdates on the ''english'' main page (and german date with german wiki...). The idea with the list on the main page, is to have at most 2 lines per country (well maybe 3). And just have the next new episode '''only'''. Ex: The next new on SciFi is on October 6th. The new page is for all the others airdates. Like Space Channel will, if I remember well, air once again TOS. So we need a kind of TvGuide. Re-air TOS or all the reruns or marathons, is kind of the same thing: an encore presentation. So the new page is for that, all the dates including the previous episode So, MP is short and quick with every country watching in english (with the flags or not). And New Page is long and detailed for every country (not for the one who has their wiki, like german). I hope this is clear. --[[User:Karoshi|Karōshi]] 16:00, 31 August 2006 (CDT)
::::::US flag is having SVG problems. Still trying to figure that one out. I think this is a soild idea. Would clean up the "text" a bit. I'll post any example here on the possiable look. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 16:06, 31 August 2006 (CDT)

=="Technical research and development wiki"==
Under "sister projects": I'm a little behind, sorry I'm out of the loop; what is that/how does it work?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] ([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]]) 18:29, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
: It's merely the Hangar Bay, which is currently down. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 19:30, 25 August 2006 (CDT)
:I was about to post that :) Currently offiline. Getting to it in a little bit. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 19:31, 25 August 2006 (CDT)

== Images - Not many... ==

While I am on the subject (http://pics.livejournal.com/drewcypher/gallery/0000esw7) has tons of images that can be uploaded with the {{tl|promo}} tag over at the media wiki. Should we just import them all and label them for use, or just upload when needed? I can say for sure we can upload some from "Scar" because the [[Scar]] guide is void of pictures. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]]) 03:37, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

== 2,000,000 Page Views!? ==

Didn't we just pass the ''1,000,000'' page views milestone earlier this summer? Have we had a million page views this summer alone?!

I better buy several more [[Mop Boy|mops]]. :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:32, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:Congrats to us! Yay! --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:37, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
::The [[Mop Boy|one]] i'm using atm is getting very worn but Joe refuses to pay for a new one :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] ([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]]) 11:32, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Thanks for the [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support/Proposals|idea]]. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 11:50, 6 September 2006 (CDT)
:::Didn't you get the memo? :-P -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] [[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] 17:18, 6 September 2006 (CDT)

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Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance

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:''This page covers the webisode series titled "The Resistance", which follows the exploits of the [[New Caprica Resistance]]. For other meanings, see "[[Resistance]]".''

{{Episode Data
| image=Webisode Resistance - 1.jpg
| title=Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance
| series=[[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|the Re-imagined Series]]
| season=
| episode=
| guests=
| writer=[[Bradley Thompson]] [[David Weddle]]
| story=
| director=[[Wayne Rose]]
| production=
| rating=
| US airdate= 2006-09-05 through 2006-10-05
| UK airdate=
| dvd=
| population=
| prev=[[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]
| next=[[Occupation]]
}}

== Overview ==
'''''Battlestar Galactica: The Resistance''''' will be web-based series that claims to fill in the gaps between [[season 2 (2005-06)|season two]] and [[Season 3 (2006-07)|three]] of the [[Battlestar Galactica (RDM)|re-imagined series]]. The series is a limited-run series that will last 10 episodes. <ref name="ignnews">[http://tv.ign.com/articles/709/709633p1.html IGN: TV Online: Battlestar Galactica Webseries Announced, May 22, 2006]</ref>

The webisode series is written by veteran BSG writers [[Bradley Thompson]] and [[David Weddle]], and directed by [[Wayne Rose]]. The entire series is about 25 minutes long in total, and divided into 10 episodes.

When [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques/Archive03#Webisode series|BattlestarWiki asked Bradley Thompson]] about the webisode series, he said:

:"It's true that David Weddle and I wrote the webisodes. Ron Moore and David Eick assigned them to us during the production of Exodus. The ten short segments combine to tell one story, which takes place during the Cylon Occupation that ended Season 2. The webisodes plant seeds that come to fruition in Season 3. They were all directed by Wayne Rose, the veteran director who's been doing 2nd Unit and 1stAD work for the series. The original title of the story was "Crossroads." The running lengths will vary with what's necessary to tell each segment of the story. The first cut I saw of all ten ran about 25 minutes. The run plan we were told was that they'd put up one a week as a countdown to the season premiere -- but SciFi may have other ideas on that by now."

=== Contract Disputes and Production Delays===

According to Bradley Thompson, the webisodes were originally meant to be aired once a week, for the 10 weeks preceding the Season 3 premiere on October 6th. This would have resulted in the webisodes premiering in mid-August. However, their release was delayed due to a labor dispute between the Writer's Guild of America and NBC/Universal regarding extra pay for the writers doing the webisodes.

In August 2006, news began to leak out that the release of the webisodes would be delayed, though they were essentially finished at the time. NBC-Universal did not want to pay the writing team for webisodes content, holding that they were not actually covered under Guild contract, and were technically just promotional material. The ''Battlestar Galactica'' writing team embraced the new story opportunity, but other NBC-Universal series such as ''The Office'' felt that webisodes were nothing but extra filler they were being forced to crank out. According to Thompson, the writing team was given extra pay for vaguely described "extra work", but no long-term resolution was ever reached. The WGA is concerned about the long-term implications of online content: writers are not specifically compensated for their work on them, and NBC/Uni might argue that they have no claim on redistribution profits if they try to classify it as "promotional" material. In any event, by August 2006 the negotiations between the WGA and NBC/Uni broke down, and the WGA ordered all series producing webisodes (such as ''Battlestar Galactica'' and ''The Office'') to refuse to physically deliver the webisodes to NBC/Uni for distribution online. NBC/Universal, who produces both shows, has filed a complaint with National Labor Relations Board, claiming that this writing is included in the current WGA contract and urging the NLRB to make the series release the material.

However, several weeks later the finished webisodes were handed over to NBC/Uni. The first of ten webisodes is due to be released on Tuesday, September 5, 2006, and subsequent installments are scheduled for every Tuesday and Thursday until the Season 3 premiere on October 6, 2006.

== Summary ==
===Episode 1===

* Starts on the 67th day after [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]]

Tyrol and Tigh organize the budding resistance movement on Cylon-occupied New Caprica, but they find recruiting new soldiers is becoming dangerous and difficult. The Cylons have instituted a curfew. Violators go to jail, which is the first thing the Cylons built on [[New Caprica]]. New Capricans are shot on the spot if weapons are found in their tents. The Cylons are also setting up a human police force to take over for the [[Cylon Centurion]]s, who are doing most of the police work.

*[[Michael Hogan]] as [[Saul Tigh]]
*[[Aaron Douglas]] as [[Galen Tyrol]]
*[[Nicki Clyne]] as [[Cally]]
*[[Dominic Zamprogna]] as [[Jammer]]
*[[Christian Tessier]] as [[Tucker Clellan]] ("Duck")

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===Episode 6===
===Episode 7===
===Episode 8===
===Episode 9===
===Episode 10===

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== Notes ==
*The original title of the webisode series was "Crossroads"

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