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== New Article: Emergency Jump Coordinates ==
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Hey spenc, would you mind taking a look at the new [[Emergency Jump Coordinates|Article]]? It´s my first one and I´m not very good at syntax yet. Looking forward to any kind of constructive criticism!
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== hey, thanks! ==
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thanks for the praise! my next idea was to write a little piece for the FTL article, about the way that jump coordinates are actually calculated. this would be based upon the miniseries and scattered.
== Sciffy Thread ==
what do you think?
I reported your discovery [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2275066 here]. I gave you credit for the find, of course, and hoped that the extra eyes on the subject might help shed some light on the "other" ship. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 21:16, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
:Excellent. The more eyes on it, the better. Seven letters appear to be the key, so Olympus is possible. I haven't used my Sciffy account in months.... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:02, 10 May 2007 (CDT)


:<del>Jump calculation stuff would be purely speculative since this hasn't been explained in the show in terms of technology. While the Colonials obviously have a spatial coordinate system to use for FTL, we the viewers haven't a reference that makes sense to us. Nor has the technical workings of this been explained. Keep in mind that BSG's magic works by avoiding [[technobabble]] for two reasons: (1), it's not realistic, and (2) describing technology in too much detail forces future stories to conform to that writing or write something else, causing continuity issues (Star Trek is filled with these issues). I advise not writing such an article. Oh, be sure to sign your comments. To do this, place four tilde characters (that's this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end of your comment. You can indent by placing a colon at the start of the paragraph. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:41, 1 June 2006 (CDT)</del>
==Units of Measure (TOS)==
:Never mind...read your additions. You kept it to a logical framework and to episode details. Nice addition. Keep working on your wiki formatting and you'll do fine. Thanks! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:50, 1 June 2006 (CDT)
Argh, I hate edit conflicts! Was working on that one at the same time you were. :)  [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 12:23, 31 May 2007 (CDT)
:Sorry about that! You have the same thoughts as I do; merging like content that otherwise make articles that are too general and not wiki-specific. I'm working on [[Squadrons of Galactica]] right now. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:44, 31 May 2007 (CDT)


== New and Improved ==
== Guyle Fraizer as Colonial One co-pilot ==


Warning System [[Battlestar Wiki:Template List#User Talk Space Warnings|Here]]. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 21:53, 3 June 2006 (CDT)
Hi there, my source for that is actually that I know Guyle personally (and yes, the one you found on the IMDB is the right one, I'm apparently just an idiot and spelled his name wrong), and he and I talked about it a few times.  :) {{unsigned|Zeppo}}


:Thanks, Shane. I saw you working to make these warning tags yesterday. We should use them judiciously (that is, we should probably ask an admin to use them first), but it will help flag a user on what's going on without us causing misunderstandings. Thanks. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:40, 4 June 2006 (CDT)
== A Comment From Mrs. Ron ==
::I updated the template. Check out the usage on the way it works. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 18:16, 6 June 2006 (CDT)
:::<del>Will do. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:03, 7 June 2006 (CDT)</del>Done. They work as advertised. Hopefully won't have to use them often. Thanks much, Shane! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:10, 7 June 2006 (CDT)


== [[BW:SAC]] ==
[[Terry Dresbach]], a.k.a, "Mrs. Ron" on the Skiffy boards, appreciated [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2276767&st=120 my comments] on ''Battlestar's'' wrap-up season. Given the many messages in this fast-growing thread, I'm humbled that she noticed it. Her response sums up everything that I loved about the new series. It has given us a great ride, and so long as Ron has a stogie and scotch handy, we'll see more good things from him. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:33, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:I agree. It would be nice to go on, but in the long run it's better to end it on a high point. The main thing I'm disappointed about is that the rest of the show will probably revolve around the search for Earth and the Final Five. Which are far from my favorite themes in the show. I initially liked that it placed character over story and that seems to have changed. But I digress.
:Anyways, I'm indifferent to the usual fan outrage as well these days, and even distanced myself a bit from message boards where constant whining seems to be the norm. When an outstanding show really hasn't been give a chance, I can get behind campaigns and be sad, but a three-hour miniseries, 4 seasons and a TV movie are really more than fair these days. If people want to think that the show was directly canceled by the network that is, as usual, to be expected; I'm willing to give the producers the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 11:18, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::Whining is the norm everywhere (except here) at this point, dude --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 12:38, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::I don't provide any cheese for all that whine, myself. I'm glad that we're not (yet) seeing a spike because of the news, but that may change. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:28, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Your comments were great, Spencerian. It basically sums up how I feel. Personally, any time I see a worthwhile TV show survive the dreaded "Firefly" 1 season curse, I smile. Haters will complain about whatever is available; if a show ends, they'll cry about that - if it continues and "doesn't live up", they'll cry about that. Misery loves company. Just another reason to avoid forums. I'd rather be here doing something constructive. [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 14:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Agreed. This place is much more fun. And there is so many roads to go in finding Earth. There is going to be a meeting of minds (and maybe more) in what the Cylons and Colonials truly mean to each other. And it may even leave the story just a little open for a backstory. Just my opinion, but You Heard It Here First. :) Terry notes that, in her opinion, ''Caprica'' will not make it. But there are so many shows that could use a "re-imagining". As one Slashdot writer said about Ron's abilities: "If I heard he was going to re-imagine ''The Phone Book'', I'd watch it." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:52, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::That's what I was thinking too: Ron and his people have made one hell of a name for themselves, if they decide to start another project, Sci Fi will happily accept it. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 05:58, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::::[[Galactica 1980 (RDM)|How about this?]] --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 08:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
::::::::I guess that depends on how S4 is gonna end. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 09:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
: I am honestly happy to say that I'm pleased with this announcement, and I'm glad that your comments were appreciated by the right people. ;-) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 14:56, 1 June 2007 (CDT)


Per my tlak page, thi s is the policy I am pointing out on the [[Computer]] page: [[BW:SC#Links_to_Episodes]] --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:16, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
== Thanks for the welcome :) ==
:Thanks, Shane. You pointed out an issue I thought long resolved. I noted a proposed change to get this worked out for good on the SAC talk page. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:03, 23 June 2006 (CDT)
::Thanks for ackoldeging your mistake. I am changing the page until or if the policy takes effect. --[[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:05, 23 June 2006 (CDT)


== Reply ==
Hey, thanks for the welcome, glad you liked my site :) (even if it badly needs rewriting from scratch...) and yep, my aspergersish pedantism about detail would just not let me leave the page on accents saying Aerilon accent was "diluted northern english" when it was a Yorkshire accent (got one or two friends living there), so that's why I created an account! Oh, and happy birthday!!! :) take care, [[User:Marianne|Marianne]] 10:18, 19 June 2007 (CDT)


This is Homeworld616 and I'm replying to your message on my talk page. I don't know how this works, whether you go back to my user talk page or if I reply on yours, so in order to avoid making myself look like an introvert who doesn't respond to his messages, I left replies on both pages. Tell me if I'm doing something wrong.
== INTJ ==
First, happy birthday! Second, my wife just took the myers-briggs yesterday (during her residency orientation), and came out INTJ. I took it in college for a software engineering class (and maybe again in ROTC) and came out INTP. The J, though, will come into play at a later date. (This won't make sense until later, but being a wiki... this is not that unusual.) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:10, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:Happy birthday! I am seriously considering adding a <code>jungtype=</code> field to [[Template:User Data]], seriously. Doing the test myself as well, 102 questions take some time though. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 13:51, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
:Happy birthday! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:48, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
::Thanks, everyone! I tried to do something other than the wiki to celebrate... --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::Y'all have got me curious now about this test. Is there a place I can take it online? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:29, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::Sure. The Myers-Briggs-based test is [http://similarminds.com/embj.html here]. The morality test is [http://www.outofservice.com/morality/ here] (both links are from Marianne's [http://xmoogle.org/me.html home page]). On a side note, my test was given professionally many years ago, so I'm more apt to continue noting my INTJ class than any that are generated here. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 09:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::Happy late B-Day! I was away for a while. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 16:08, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::: For the record, I'm an ISTP. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 16:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::ENTJ here. That's it, I'm definitely gonna do the jungtype field tomorrow. --[[User:Catrope|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope|e-mail me]])</sup> 16:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::ESTP. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 17:32, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
::::WTLFM (Way to long for me). :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 19:48, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
:::::Interesting one. In other words, you scored RGDL? --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 20:04, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
The INTJs can take solace in that, if he were real, [[w:Gandalf|Gandalf]] would be an INTJ, and that worked out pretty well for him. :) My scores keep oscillating between INTP, ISTP and INTJ. I ''like'' being weird as an INTJ, frankly. I just don't want everyone else to know about it. :/ --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 10:47, 21 June 2007 (CDT)


Anyway, thanks for the compliments on the articles. Feels nice to have fellow fans who are atuned to the Colonies. About the Caprican news station, you're right. They never actually said the name. However, I base my findings on two facts: (1) When Baltar is being interviewed by Kellan Brody of In the Spotlight, if you look in the (I think) lower right-hand corner of the screen, you can see a white logo of a number 7 in the middle of a circle (that is the "booger" you were referring to?). (2) Brody makes a big deal about her show interviewing only Caprican headline-makers. Based on the logo's number and the pro-Caprican bias of the anchorwoman, the station's name must be Caprica 7. I can always change the name to Channel 7 if the community reaches the concensus that my findings for Caprica 7 aren't good enough, but I plan to leave the name just like it is. I'm going to check out those links you sent me. Contact me if you've got more stuff to talk about.
== Question about commas ==


P.S. I recently posted a reformed article [[Unnamed Cities of Caprica]]. Check it out if this topic interests you. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:23, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
I noticed some weird comma placement in your edits. You always write things "In the episode, "[[Downloaded]]",..."
:I think he may have [http://www.battlestarwiki.org/en/index.php?title=Unnamed_Cities_of_Caprica&diff=61568&oldid=61560 seen it]. (He's the man when it comes to "Conventionizing and concising.") --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 10:27, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
::Well that would explain a whole ton of edits I found when I looked at the article yeasterday.  I appreciate those edits, as they cleared up some errors I had unintentionally put in the article. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 10:31, 28 June 2006 (CDT)


:::Yep, all taken care of. "Boomer" is ''always'' the ''Galactica'' Sharon Valerii. Once she was "outed" and to avoid confusion, the convention I've pushed is to use "Caprica-Valerii" to distinguish from Boomer. Using "Boomer-Valerii" is redundant, or using "Boomer" to speak of any consciousnesses who isn't specifically the sleeper Valerii is just wrong, so... Yes, usually we just speak on one talk page, using the edit summary to "alert" others of a response. Marking the page by watching it can alert to changes faster from your watchlist. If it's really important that you see my response, I would make a short note on your page to flag your new message banner. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 14:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)
Why is there a comma ''in front'' of the episode title? Is this some specific grammar rule I don't know about? Because to me it doesn't make any sense to put a comma there. It isn't a separate sentence part and there shouldn't be a pause there. Neither is the episode title a parenthesis, since the sentence doesn't make sense without it :) --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:28, 25 July 2007 (CDT)


== Trek BIOS Flash ==
:You're right...it's likely a mental thing. I should write it "In the episode "Downloaded", there was this thing." I suspect I write it that way because episode titles "throw off" the grammar of the sentence when I read them, although they are names and are just objects of the sentence. As a result, I put in a pause to mentally set off the title to prevent confusing it as a element that forms the message of the sentence. It's like this example.


Hey, man. I know you're a recovering Trek fan as well. I wondered if you'd seen [http://bztv.typepad.com/newsviews/2006/06/spaced_out_star.html this]. Read the linked treatment (in pdf form). I got very excited reading it, then sad because it will likely never get made. I think this is exactly what the Trek universe needs. Ah well. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 14:38, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
<blockquote>In the episode "You Should Have Watched Yesterday", Tom dies."</blockquote>


:Chiming in; although I felt a "reboot" would be nice, it also sounded like a rehash of Kirk and Spock again. Granted, JMS is a talented writer and probably ''would'' have made it feel "fresh", but in principle it still just sounds like the same thing over and over again. I don't think JMS' idea was bad (it was better than  what Berman and Braga were doing!) but not ultimatley a good choice. --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 17:15, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:The quotations are supposed to set the episode apart, but it never works for me. Not that I should go and reinvent English grammar, however. I'll work my way out of the two-comma habit. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 13:20, 25 July 2007 (CDT)


:: Since you mention JMS, this idea wouldn't be related to [http://worldsofjms.com/usenet/post/060624a.htm this] or has anyone heard anything else? --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 18:27, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
::Ah ok. That makes some sense. It wasn't meant as huge criticism and you don't have to go around changing everything. Just something I noticed and wondered about. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 13:25, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
:::Problem is, the whole 'young kirk/spock' idea is old. Was bandied about in about '90/'91 before Trek VI came out. Everyone rejected it back then cause it would suck. My god i'm being blunt today! :D --[[User:Fordsierra4x4|Fordsierra4x4]] 20:04, 29 June 2006 (CDT)


:::: Turns out JMS announcement is about [http://www.jmsnews.com/msg.aspx?id=1-17565 this]. Sounds like he may have finally hit the big time. However, it may lead Paramount to pursue him again. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 20:48, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
:::By the way, I think commas go inside quotes --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 21:54, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
:::For episodes, I think any punctuation goes outside the quotes/parenthesis unless separating more than one episode. --[[User:Veepz|Veepz]] 22:05, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
::::Yeah, generally we use American punctuation, though personally I hate it, since it doesn't make sense either. But we decided to make an exception for episode titles, since they aren't really quotes. It just looks bad to put the punctuation inside in that case. --[[User:Serenity|Serenity]] 05:17, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
:::::I'm having a strange [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Battlestar_Wiki_talk:Standards_and_Conventions/Archive4#American_style_punctuation_with_episode_titles sense of de'ja vu.] I just got used to putting punctuation OUTSIDE of quotes after the change. If this is a serious point, let's move it back to [[BW:SAC]]. I think we're nitpicking...we just need to be consistent, at least in any one article. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:34, 26 July 2007 (CDT)


:::::Hm. I guess I have the same attitude about this as I did on RDM's announcement: I'll believe it when I see it. ''Star Trek's'' problem today is that there is (1) no continuity whatsoever, and (2) too many cooks. If I had fan-god powers, I'd have most of Viacom's executives and producers bundled with their lawyers and hurled ass-first into the nearest active volcano, and then I'd consider appointing as creative consultants some guys who have spent a lot of money making their own [http://www.newvoyages.com new adventures of the original ST series] (with official approval from Paramount, surprisingly). This is a must-download; it almost makes me long for Star Trek again. Almost. I'm happy for JMS, too. It would be nice to let RDM do Star Trek. One Slashdot guy said, on the announcement of "[[Caprica (series)|Caprica]]": "If Ron Moore announced that he was bringing ''The Phone Book'' to the small screen, I'd watch it." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 21:00, 29 June 2006 (CDT)
== User Image ==


::::::I just read that Slashdot discussion, and it is so much worse than even average Slasdot discourse that tears came to my eyes. I liked that your comment managed to pass default threshold, though, even if I was stunned to see it wasn't modded "Informative." --[[User:CalculatinAvatar|CalculatinAvatar]]<sup>([[Special:Contributions/CalculatinAvatar|C]]-[[User talk:CalculatinAvatar|T]])</sup> 02:16, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
Best one so far! :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 11:02, 3 September 2007 (CDT)
:And not one bit of Photoshop! Note the squeegee! --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 11:52, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
::yay! ya.. i noticed that the first time around. :) [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 12:04, 5 September 2007 (CDT)


:::::::Am I one of the only ones here who doesnt think that much of the Star Trek series, especially the orignial series?
== So sorry... ==
*Step 1: Orbit unchartered planet.
*Step 2: Landing crew consisting of Captain Kirk, Spock, Bones, and Ensign Dave in a redshirt go to planet
*Step 3: Crew come across mysterious "man in a suit" creature
*Step 4: Ensign Dave gets eaten
*Step 5: Crew finds out that local village made up of only hot women is being terrorised by the creature.
*Step 6: The crew kill the creature
*Step 7: Kirk makes out with hot alien woman
*Step 8: Enterprise leaves orbit to find some other planet
::::::: Its the same plot every episode... Please dont kill me :( --[[User:Mercifull|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull|Contribs]])</sup> 03:17, 30 June 2006 (CDT)


::::::::Step 7 reminded of [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Captain_Kirk this]. --[[User:Gougef|FrankieG]] 07:23, 30 June 2006 (CDT)
It was a good game. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 15:19, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:Well, can't have everything. I'm rooting for the Packers. They always have heart and deserve it. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 17:54, 13 January 2008 (CST)
::The NFC game will be interesting. Friends here @ work are putting NYG over GB 3 to 1, however, both teams are evenly match. One is good at passing, the other running. Both play in snow, cold weather. The SD v. Pats game is a joke. SD should forfeit now. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 23:03, 13 January 2008 (CST)
:::Proud Cheesehead, here! It'll be interesting to see the looks I get from my fellow New Yorkers while I wear my Packers paraphernalia. --[[User:BklynBruzer|BklynBruzer]] 09:08, 14 January 2008 (CST)


:::::::::Ain't that place fun, Frankie?
== Matrix etc. :) ==
:::::::::You hit the nail on the head, Mercifull; it WAS the same plot points. I can distill things better, though:
:::::::::#How do we kill it?
:::::::::#How do we keep it from killing us (or everyone)?
:::::::::#How do we help it?
:::::::::#How do I (Kirk, usually) love it (without causing items 1-3)?
:::::::::Take a look at the Original Series and compare it to any successors. Despite its basic plot points, however, it withstands muster because the story wasn't the technology, but the people, all flawed, but damned determined, like the Cowboys of the West. In the Original Series, at least the show was character-driven, like BSG today. The best two ST movies, "The Wrath of Khan" and "First Contact", were very character driven, used regular-series material, and were fun. The Next Generation and much of DS9 had better moments than not, but were still filled with technobabble and other nonsense that pushed the plot and badly. BSG can take something as simple as looking for things like ''water'' and ''fuel'' or, heaven help us, a ''baby'' and turn the plot into something we just won't want to miss. ST is a morass; at least in the Original Series, it worked. Today, I just don't know what to think of it. I think of the SF culture now like the airline industry. "Airlines" like BSG, B5, Farscape, and Stargate say to their flyers, "We know you have a choice in SF, and we're glad you chose us." Viacom doesn't know or care what to do. I suspect that will change, maybe even with this movie. I doubt it, however. It will take a RDM-like transformation--and if we thought our gnashing of teeth on RDM Galactica's announcement was big, imagine what fans will do if ST got "re-imagined." --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 08:07, 30 June 2006 (CDT)


== Need a Deletion ==
http://battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=4381&postcount=7 ... Look @ 217kb image. [[User:Shane|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane|E]])</sup> 02:31, 25 January 2008 (CST)


I don't know who to send this to, but since you have seniority I thought I'd tell you.  I've made a pretty bad error.  Not an hour ago watched the [[Miniseries]] all the way through and, you remember that [[Caprica 7]] article I made? The TV station's name is actually Caprica ''5''.  The "7" is actually from '''Channel 7 News''', also shown in the Miniseries.  I'm going to split that Caprica 7 article into two new articles, one for Caprica 5 and the other for Channel 7 News. Sigh.  I shouldn't have jumped onto that article without watching my source again.  Oh well.  Anyway, I need the trigger pulled on Caprica 7 (as soon as I make the other two articles, of course).  If you or someone could get on that I'd appreciate it.  Take your time of course.  Then again, this would probably be a good time for me to learn how to delete articles.  Any approach you want to take is fine with me.  I'll tell you when the other articles are done. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 16:20, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
== Thriller? ==
:For future reference, just tag an article with a <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> that you need deleted, and one of the mop-bearers (admins) should come along and clean it up. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 16:51, 5 July 2006 (CDT)
::All right.  I'll remember that.  Thanks. --[[User:Homeworld616|Homeworld616]] 09:24, 6 July 2006 (CDT)


== State of the Wiki ==
My sources [http://www.colonialfleet.org/quorum/index.php?showtopic=13&view=findpost&p=77652 tell me] that you perform a mean "Thriller" dance... Have an interesting story behind that? :D -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [[bsp:|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 05:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
While the [[Battlestar Wiki:Original Series Article Development Project|OSAD]] project is far from being 100%, I was wondering if you were going to reassess the current state of the wiki (as you did before, when you found the TOS content to be so woefully inadequate). The TOS space has come a long way now that nearly every non-terminology article has a picture, and red links are an endangered species. It has kind of made me wonder if it might be worthwhile to have a "state of the wiki" report that breaks down the wiki into areas and is periodically (but regularly) updated regarding the progress in those areas. Maybe something for the think tank after I let it ferment a bit. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:35, 13 July 2006 (CDT)


:Yep, it has all come a long way in a year, and a review is overdue. I think the comparative aspect between other wikis works well so we don't compare ourselves with ourselves to the point where it seems like the Oscars and the self-backslapping you see there. At the same time, I wonder if it's "fair" for me to make that self-assessment by my lonesome now. Maybe it's a Joe thing, with us commenting or voting on key aspects of the wiki to form the final collective assessment. --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 12:40, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
:Oh, no. It almost makes me happy that I can't go to DragonCon this year. Mind you, dancing in a deckhand jumpsuit is intimidating enough, not to mention hot. But wait a minute...did I dance to that song? All that alcohol make things so blurry... :) --[[User:Spencerian|Spencerian]] 16:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
::hahah! [[User:Shane|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane|talk]]) 16:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


::Peter Jackson talked about wanting to be hypnotized to forget he had anything to do with LOTR so that he could objectively watch and critique it. Objectivity may indeed be difficult to achieve from an "insider". The trouble is... it can be hard finding "outsiders" to be judges. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 12:45, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
== Recent problems ==


:::I'm in the middle of massive fixes to the Wiki; could you please give me a few days before making any assessments guys?  (Need to clear up RL work, then I'm going to sit down an make like 1,000 edits at a sitting, ''soon'').  --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 12:59, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
Hey again, Spencerian--I hope you are well.  About a month ago, you said that the wiki would be going to a standby mode or something (I don't remember the details and I can't check them because every attempt to access my talk page results in an error message).  Do you know if the recent problems (main page and inability to edit a few other pages plus the aforementioned talk page, in addition to ongoing French and German site issues) are related to this "standby mode"?  Are they continuations of older problems?  Anything you can do to shed light on this would helpThanks, and happy holidays! -- [[User:BlueResistance|BlueResistance]] 19:27, 13 December 2014 (EST)


::::No problem. We were still very much in the "talk it over" phase. Though I am curious what the 1,000 edit marathon will be in regards to. (As long as it isn't a spoiler, in which case I can wait...) --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:04, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
::Hello Spencerian! Sorry I didn't see your message on my talk page literally years ago, but thanks for the message. I do check in here every so often. That the wiki is still online makes me happy and almost unbearable nostalgic for times past. I suppose I should ask Joe what might be needed to help keep this online as I'm Facebook friends with him. I hope all is well with you and yours! [[User:JubalHarshaw|JubalHarshaw]] 21:55, 14 February 2016 (EST)
 
== Scifi.com ==
 
For the record, btw, as many of you may know from the messageboards, I think the Scifi.com is poorly run and (unlike Ron Moore) doesn't really try to "connect with the fans", as they ''claim'' (the messageboards are a laughingstock of poor moderating, the Battlestar website hasn't been updated in a full year, they only post up Ron's blog and podcasts but that's more Ron's doing than theirs...plus Mrs.Ron tells us that Ron has supplied ''several'' new podcasts to them that they simply haven't put up).  Anyway, Scifi Weekly on their front page has a "review a website" thing and I mailed in a "Hey, why not review BattlestarWiki?" request.  To be honest, I think they would view us as competition with their abortive, and, also pathetically laughable wiki attempt, Scifipedia (I can't even log in). --[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:03, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
:As much as I fear and despise redundancy as a computer scientist, I really don't have a problem with the Scifipedia. One has only to type in a few basic search words (major characters, episode names, etc.) to see that it really isn't trying to compete with a specialized wiki like this one. They have one big summary article about BSG, and that's about it. I don't view it so much as a rivalry as an entity with an entirely different mission. They're trying to cover a much broader spectrum by covering "Scifi"... especially since that now apparently includes the world of professional wrestling. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:08, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
::Oh no I don't view them as a rival:  I'd like it if they were up and running as a succesful wiki.  The reason for my contempt is that the clowns at Scifi.com don't run it well and it's loaded with technical problems. Basically I couldn't log in (they have many log in problems) and their "response" was "well, if you want we could delete your current account"...um, I'm not giving up an over 4,000 post screename for that, and it wasn't much of a "solution".  Only the latest in a long string of frustrations--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
:::My fear is that the "clowns" are just barely plural. What if the only people running the site are Admin and the much maligned Admin1. Maybe Scifi just underestimates how much manpower it takes to maintain an online presence in this day and age. I'd prefer to imagine their problems as being caused by massing staffing/funding shortages. I guess I just don't want to believe that a properly funded and staffed web team could run a site so poorly. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:16, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
::::Some people have said there's a marked difference between "Admin" and "Admin1", and alothough I realize that they are 2 separate people, I've not noticed a difference; there is?--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 13:37, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
:::::I've not had interactions with either, so I can't testify one way or the other. However the ip of "Admin" seems based out of NYC, while "Admin1" appears to hail from Seattle (I realize proxies can fool this, but most people don't bother). Also, the "note from the admin" (excerpted below) says you can pm either of them. They've just never seemed... responsive or communicative, which has really damaged the situation. --[[User:Steelviper|Steelviper]] 13:49, 13 July 2006 (CDT)
 
:::::"The Battlestar BBoard will be monitored by site administrators throughout the day. If you see a post that you feel violates the rules above, send a private message to "admin" or "admin1" and it will be reviewed. Our decisions regarding what constitutes a violation will be subjective, and will err on the side of free and open discussion, but we will not tolerate openly hostile or abusive behavior.
 
:::::As always, if you have any suggestions for how we can improve our message boards, we'd love to hear them. E-mail us directly at bboard@www.scifi.com."
 
:::::: Is that really what it says? "bboard@www.scifi.com"? That's... I mean--That doesn't look like a valid email address to ''me''. Now, granted, I'm not a piece of email-related software, so I could be wrong, but I've never see "www" in an email addy before. Weird. --[[User:Day|Day]] <sup>([[User talk:Day|Talk]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Administrators' noticeboard|Admin]])</sup> 14:12, 13 July 2006 (CDT)

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Sciffy Thread

I reported your discovery here. I gave you credit for the find, of course, and hoped that the extra eyes on the subject might help shed some light on the "other" ship. --Steelviper 21:16, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Excellent. The more eyes on it, the better. Seven letters appear to be the key, so Olympus is possible. I haven't used my Sciffy account in months.... --Spencerian 08:02, 10 May 2007 (CDT)

Units of Measure (TOS)

Argh, I hate edit conflicts! Was working on that one at the same time you were. :) JubalHarshaw 12:23, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Sorry about that! You have the same thoughts as I do; merging like content that otherwise make articles that are too general and not wiki-specific. I'm working on Squadrons of Galactica right now. --Spencerian 12:44, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Guyle Fraizer as Colonial One co-pilot

Hi there, my source for that is actually that I know Guyle personally (and yes, the one you found on the IMDB is the right one, I'm apparently just an idiot and spelled his name wrong), and he and I talked about it a few times.  :) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zeppo (talk • contribs).

A Comment From Mrs. Ron

Terry Dresbach, a.k.a, "Mrs. Ron" on the Skiffy boards, appreciated my comments on Battlestar's wrap-up season. Given the many messages in this fast-growing thread, I'm humbled that she noticed it. Her response sums up everything that I loved about the new series. It has given us a great ride, and so long as Ron has a stogie and scotch handy, we'll see more good things from him. --Spencerian 10:33, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

I agree. It would be nice to go on, but in the long run it's better to end it on a high point. The main thing I'm disappointed about is that the rest of the show will probably revolve around the search for Earth and the Final Five. Which are far from my favorite themes in the show. I initially liked that it placed character over story and that seems to have changed. But I digress.
Anyways, I'm indifferent to the usual fan outrage as well these days, and even distanced myself a bit from message boards where constant whining seems to be the norm. When an outstanding show really hasn't been give a chance, I can get behind campaigns and be sad, but a three-hour miniseries, 4 seasons and a TV movie are really more than fair these days. If people want to think that the show was directly canceled by the network that is, as usual, to be expected; I'm willing to give the producers the benefit of the doubt. --Serenity 11:18, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
Whining is the norm everywhere (except here) at this point, dude --BklynBruzer 12:38, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
I don't provide any cheese for all that whine, myself. I'm glad that we're not (yet) seeing a spike because of the news, but that may change. --Spencerian 14:28, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
Your comments were great, Spencerian. It basically sums up how I feel. Personally, any time I see a worthwhile TV show survive the dreaded "Firefly" 1 season curse, I smile. Haters will complain about whatever is available; if a show ends, they'll cry about that - if it continues and "doesn't live up", they'll cry about that. Misery loves company. Just another reason to avoid forums. I'd rather be here doing something constructive. JubalHarshaw 14:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
Agreed. This place is much more fun. And there is so many roads to go in finding Earth. There is going to be a meeting of minds (and maybe more) in what the Cylons and Colonials truly mean to each other. And it may even leave the story just a little open for a backstory. Just my opinion, but You Heard It Here First. :) Terry notes that, in her opinion, Caprica will not make it. But there are so many shows that could use a "re-imagining". As one Slashdot writer said about Ron's abilities: "If I heard he was going to re-imagine The Phone Book, I'd watch it." --Spencerian 14:52, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
That's what I was thinking too: Ron and his people have made one hell of a name for themselves, if they decide to start another project, Sci Fi will happily accept it. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 05:58, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
How about this? --BklynBruzer 08:33, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
I guess that depends on how S4 is gonna end. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 09:00, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
I am honestly happy to say that I'm pleased with this announcement, and I'm glad that your comments were appreciated by the right people. ;-) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New 14:56, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the welcome :)

Hey, thanks for the welcome, glad you liked my site :) (even if it badly needs rewriting from scratch...) and yep, my aspergersish pedantism about detail would just not let me leave the page on accents saying Aerilon accent was "diluted northern english" when it was a Yorkshire accent (got one or two friends living there), so that's why I created an account! Oh, and happy birthday!!! :) take care, Marianne 10:18, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

INTJ

First, happy birthday! Second, my wife just took the myers-briggs yesterday (during her residency orientation), and came out INTJ. I took it in college for a software engineering class (and maybe again in ROTC) and came out INTP. The J, though, will come into play at a later date. (This won't make sense until later, but being a wiki... this is not that unusual.) --Steelviper 13:10, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Happy birthday! I am seriously considering adding a jungtype= field to Template:User Data, seriously. Doing the test myself as well, 102 questions take some time though. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 13:51, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
Happy birthday! -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New 16:48, 19 June 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, everyone! I tried to do something other than the wiki to celebrate... --Spencerian 09:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Y'all have got me curious now about this test. Is there a place I can take it online? --BklynBruzer 09:29, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Sure. The Myers-Briggs-based test is here. The morality test is here (both links are from Marianne's home page). On a side note, my test was given professionally many years ago, so I'm more apt to continue noting my INTJ class than any that are generated here. --Spencerian 09:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Happy late B-Day! I was away for a while. :) Shane (T - C - E) 16:08, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
For the record, I'm an ISTP. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Sanctuary Wiki — New 16:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
ENTJ here. That's it, I'm definitely gonna do the jungtype field tomorrow. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 16:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
ESTP. --BklynBruzer 17:32, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
WTLFM (Way to long for me). :) Shane (T - C - E) 19:48, 20 June 2007 (CDT)
Interesting one. In other words, you scored RGDL? --BklynBruzer 20:04, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

The INTJs can take solace in that, if he were real, Gandalf would be an INTJ, and that worked out pretty well for him. :) My scores keep oscillating between INTP, ISTP and INTJ. I like being weird as an INTJ, frankly. I just don't want everyone else to know about it. :/ --Spencerian 10:47, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Question about commas

I noticed some weird comma placement in your edits. You always write things "In the episode, "Downloaded",..."

Why is there a comma in front of the episode title? Is this some specific grammar rule I don't know about? Because to me it doesn't make any sense to put a comma there. It isn't a separate sentence part and there shouldn't be a pause there. Neither is the episode title a parenthesis, since the sentence doesn't make sense without it :) --Serenity 05:28, 25 July 2007 (CDT)

You're right...it's likely a mental thing. I should write it "In the episode "Downloaded", there was this thing." I suspect I write it that way because episode titles "throw off" the grammar of the sentence when I read them, although they are names and are just objects of the sentence. As a result, I put in a pause to mentally set off the title to prevent confusing it as a element that forms the message of the sentence. It's like this example.

In the episode "You Should Have Watched Yesterday", Tom dies."

The quotations are supposed to set the episode apart, but it never works for me. Not that I should go and reinvent English grammar, however. I'll work my way out of the two-comma habit. --Spencerian 13:20, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
Ah ok. That makes some sense. It wasn't meant as huge criticism and you don't have to go around changing everything. Just something I noticed and wondered about. --Serenity 13:25, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
By the way, I think commas go inside quotes --BklynBruzer 21:54, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
For episodes, I think any punctuation goes outside the quotes/parenthesis unless separating more than one episode. --Veepz 22:05, 25 July 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, generally we use American punctuation, though personally I hate it, since it doesn't make sense either. But we decided to make an exception for episode titles, since they aren't really quotes. It just looks bad to put the punctuation inside in that case. --Serenity 05:17, 26 July 2007 (CDT)
I'm having a strange sense of de'ja vu. I just got used to putting punctuation OUTSIDE of quotes after the change. If this is a serious point, let's move it back to BW:SAC. I think we're nitpicking...we just need to be consistent, at least in any one article. --Spencerian 12:34, 26 July 2007 (CDT)

User Image

Best one so far! :) Shane (T - C - E) 11:02, 3 September 2007 (CDT)

And not one bit of Photoshop! Note the squeegee! --Spencerian 11:52, 5 September 2007 (CDT)
yay! ya.. i noticed that the first time around. :) Shane (T - C - E) 12:04, 5 September 2007 (CDT)

So sorry...

It was a good game. Shane (T - C - E) 15:19, 13 January 2008 (CST)

Well, can't have everything. I'm rooting for the Packers. They always have heart and deserve it. --Spencerian 17:54, 13 January 2008 (CST)
The NFC game will be interesting. Friends here @ work are putting NYG over GB 3 to 1, however, both teams are evenly match. One is good at passing, the other running. Both play in snow, cold weather. The SD v. Pats game is a joke. SD should forfeit now. Shane (T - C - E) 23:03, 13 January 2008 (CST)
Proud Cheesehead, here! It'll be interesting to see the looks I get from my fellow New Yorkers while I wear my Packers paraphernalia. --BklynBruzer 09:08, 14 January 2008 (CST)

Matrix etc. :)

http://battlestarforum.com/showpost.php?p=4381&postcount=7 ... Look @ 217kb image. Shane (T - C - E) 02:31, 25 January 2008 (CST)

Thriller?

My sources tell me that you perform a mean "Thriller" dance... Have an interesting story behind that? :D -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate - Battlestar Pegasus 05:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, no. It almost makes me happy that I can't go to DragonCon this year. Mind you, dancing in a deckhand jumpsuit is intimidating enough, not to mention hot. But wait a minute...did I dance to that song? All that alcohol make things so blurry... :) --Spencerian 16:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
hahah! Shane (talk) 16:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent problems

Hey again, Spencerian--I hope you are well. About a month ago, you said that the wiki would be going to a standby mode or something (I don't remember the details and I can't check them because every attempt to access my talk page results in an error message). Do you know if the recent problems (main page and inability to edit a few other pages plus the aforementioned talk page, in addition to ongoing French and German site issues) are related to this "standby mode"? Are they continuations of older problems? Anything you can do to shed light on this would help. Thanks, and happy holidays! -- BlueResistance 19:27, 13 December 2014 (EST)

Hello Spencerian! Sorry I didn't see your message on my talk page literally years ago, but thanks for the message. I do check in here every so often. That the wiki is still online makes me happy and almost unbearable nostalgic for times past. I suppose I should ask Joe what might be needed to help keep this online as I'm Facebook friends with him. I hope all is well with you and yours! JubalHarshaw 21:55, 14 February 2016 (EST)