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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Noteworthy Dialogue */

2025-12-24T00:29:41Z

Noteworthy Dialogue

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Official Statements */

2025-12-24T00:28:22Z

Official Statements

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	*Why would later humans have felt it necessary to cover up the nature of civilization on Kobol? Is it related to the reason why Kobol was abandoned in the first place? How would the Cylons have found out? Did Six just make it up, or could it be the Cylon interpretation of the scriptures? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion\|Probable Partial Answer]], [[No Exit\|Partial Answer]])		*Why would later humans have felt it necessary to cover up the nature of civilization on Kobol? Is it related to the reason why Kobol was abandoned in the first place? How would the Cylons have found out? Did Six just make it up, or could it be the Cylon interpretation of the scriptures? ([[Sometimes a Great Notion\|Probable Partial Answer]], [[No Exit\|Partial Answer]])

	== Official Statements ==		== Official Statements ==

	=== From RDM's blog ===		=== From RDM's blog ===

	* "We've almost completed shooting the opening of Season Two, with [[Michael Rymer]] back at the helm filming a two-parter written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]] called '[[Scattered]]' and '[[Valley of Darkness]].' Things have been going well so far, with a good mood on the set and a feeling of satisfaction and pride running through the whole team at their accomplishments in year one and anticipation for year two."<ref name="blog-4-11-05">{{cite web\|url=http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/\|title=Battlestar Galactica: April 2005 Blog Archives\|author=Ron D. Moore\|date=April 11, 2005}}</ref>		{{Dialogue
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			'''[[Ronald D. Moore]]:''' We've almost completed shooting the opening of Season Two, with [[Michael Rymer]] back at the helm filming a two-parter written by [[David Weddle]] & [[Bradley Thompson]] called '[[Scattered]]' and '[[Valley of Darkness]].'

			Things have been going well so far, with a good mood on the set and a feeling of satisfaction and pride running through the whole team at their accomplishments in year one and anticipation for year two.
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	* ''"[[Lee Adama\|Apollo]]'s betrayal of [[William Adama\|Adama]]'s decision to arrest the [[Laura Roslin\|president]] is detracting from the believability of the show for me. I'm listining to your [[podcast]] of [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II\|ep. 113]] as I write this and you just said Lee is "a more capable, more competent, leader . . ." He's also struck me as a fairly honorable character. If he had doubts about this mission I think he would have at least voiced them and then not gone along with the strike team so he would not have been put in the position he was. I hope you won't use Adama's near death experience at the end of season one/start of season two to "write off" these betrayals, esp. Apollo's. His was much more unforgivable considering his relationship with Adama, his leadership role in the fleet, and the battle between the president and Adama. I find it hard to see Lee continuing as [[CAG]] after this. "''		{{Dialogue
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			'''"[[Lee Adama\|Apollo]]'s betrayal of [[William Adama\|Adama]]'s decision to arrest the [[Laura Roslin\|president]] is detracting from the believability of the show for me. I'm listining to your [[podcast]] of [[Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II\|ep. 113]] as I write this and you just said Lee is "a more capable, more competent, leader . . ." He's also struck me as a fairly honorable character. If he had doubts about this mission I think he would have at least voiced them and then not gone along with the strike team so he would not have been put in the position he was. I hope you won't use Adama's near death experience at the end of season one/start of season two to "write off" these betrayals, esp. Apollo's. His was much more unforgivable considering his relationship with Adama, his leadership role in the fleet, and the battle between the president and Adama. I find it hard to see Lee continuing as [[CAG]] after this."'''

	: You bring up valid points and we are planning to play out the consequences of Lee's decision as it impacts both him and his father over the course of the season.<ref name="blog-4-11-05"/>		'''[[Ronald D. Moore]]:''' You bring up valid points and we are planning to play out the consequences of Lee's decision as it impacts both him and his father over the course of the season.
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	== Noteworthy Dialogue ==		== Noteworthy Dialogue ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Guest stars */

2025-12-21T04:04:21Z

Guest stars

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	*[[Brad Loree]] as [[Bonnington]]		*[[Brad Loree]] as [[Bonnington]]
	*[[Lori Stewart]] as [[Twinam]]		*[[Lori Stewart]] as [[Twinam]]
			*[[Paul Ouellette]] as [[Galactica crew member (Paul Ouellette)\|unnamed ''Galactica'' officer]] (uncredited)

	== References ==		== References ==

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	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	*The title refers to [[w:Pulp Fiction#Jules's Bible passage\|a Bible quote]] which is recited several times by [[w:Samuel L. Jackson\|Samuel L. Jackson]]'s character in the movie [[w:Pulp Fiction\|Pulp Fiction]]. It is cited as "Ezekiel 25:17", but is actually fabricated from several Bible verses. The particular phrase "Valley of Darkness" probably comes from [[w:Psalm 23\|Psalm 23:4]], where it is usually translated as "the valley of the shadow of death".		*The phrase "Valley of Darkness" probably comes from [[w:Psalm 23\|Psalm 23:4]], where it is usually translated as "the valley of the shadow of death".
	*The Fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode. Prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]].		*The Fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode. Prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]].
	* During the teaser, just before Flyboy has his ill-fated run-in with the Centurion, [[Louanne Katraine]] exclaims "Jesus!" in reaction to seeing the Cylon. This would be the second time that a "Jesus" ad-lib makes an appearance in the series, the first being from [[Michael Hogan]] during the [[Miniseries, Night 1\|Miniseries]].		* During the teaser, just before Flyboy has his ill-fated run-in with the Centurion, [[Louanne Katraine]] exclaims "Jesus!" in reaction to seeing the Cylon. This would be the second time that a "Jesus" ad-lib makes an appearance in the series, the first being from [[Michael Hogan]] during the [[Miniseries, Night 1\|Miniseries]].

WarGrowlmon15: /* Act 3 */

2025-06-15T23:05:37Z

Act 3

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	===Act 3===		===Act 3===
	* On Kobol, [[Cally Tyrol\|Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol\|Chief Tyrol]] take a rest after escaping from the Cylons. Tyrol begins to go into shock feeling responsible for [[Tarn]]'s death until Cally snaps him out of it by yelling "talk, you motherfrakker". Tyrol laughs at this and he an Cally continue on to take the medicine needed by [[Socinus]].		* On Kobol, [[Cally Tyrol\|Cally]] and [[Galen Tyrol\|Chief Tyrol]] take a rest after escaping from the Cylons. Tyrol begins to go into shock feeling responsible for [[Tarn]]'s death until Cally snaps him out of it by yelling "talk, you motherfrakker". Tyrol laughs at this and he and Cally continue on to take the medicine needed by [[Socinus]].
	* Further in the forest Baltar returns to the others, where he is harangued by {{callsign\|Crashdown}} for breaking away from the group.		* Further in the forest Baltar returns to the others, where he is harangued by {{callsign\|Crashdown}} for breaking away from the group.
	* Cally and Tyrol rejoin the main group carrying the spare [[medkit]] and Crashdown asks where Tarn is. As a response Tyrol hands him Tarn's [[dog tag]]s, and informs everyone the Cylons killed him.		* Cally and Tyrol rejoin the main group carrying the spare [[medkit]] and Crashdown asks where Tarn is. As a response Tyrol hands him Tarn's [[dog tag]]s, and informs everyone the Cylons killed him.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

2024-12-30T23:42:21Z

Text replacement - "Helo" to "{{callsign|Helo}}"

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	* Seconds later, the hatch to the brig begins to open but to their relief, it is Apollo and a contingent of Marines.		* Seconds later, the hatch to the brig begins to open but to their relief, it is Apollo and a contingent of Marines.
	* Apollo informs them of the situation, and instructs Venner to escort Billy and Roslin to safety. He has the Marines provide Billy and Roslin with sidearms. And although Billy relucantly takes one, Roslin refuses to arm herself. Apollo tells them to go to the sick bay, but to avoid the gunfire. For his own part, Apollo plans to take his team to an arms locker to find more explosive rounds and stop the Centurion incursion.		* Apollo informs them of the situation, and instructs Venner to escort Billy and Roslin to safety. He has the Marines provide Billy and Roslin with sidearms. And although Billy relucantly takes one, Roslin refuses to arm herself. Apollo tells them to go to the sick bay, but to avoid the gunfire. For his own part, Apollo plans to take his team to an arms locker to find more explosive rounds and stop the Centurion incursion.
	* In the city of [[Delphi]] on {{RDM\|Caprica}}, ~~[[Karl Agathon~~\|Helo]] and {{callsign\|Starbuck}} are walking through the streets, when Starbuck comments on the lack of dead bodies. Helo explains that they have been collected by the Cylons and cremated, much to her disgust. He also expresses his plan to head to the airbases to look for a [[Raptor]] on which to escape the planet.		* In the city of [[Delphi]] on {{RDM\|Caprica}}, {{callsign\|Helo}} and {{callsign\|Starbuck}} are walking through the streets, when Starbuck comments on the lack of dead bodies. Helo explains that they have been collected by the Cylons and cremated, much to her disgust. He also expresses his plan to head to the airbases to look for a [[Raptor]] on which to escape the planet.
	* Starbuck, however, is not very amiable because he was fooled by, and [[Six Degrees of Separation\|impregnated a Cylon]]. She suddenly looks around and decides they should make a "pit stop" and heads to one of the buildings.		* Starbuck, however, is not very amiable because he was fooled by, and [[Six Degrees of Separation\|impregnated a Cylon]]. She suddenly looks around and decides they should make a "pit stop" and heads to one of the buildings.
	* In ''Galactica'''s CIC, Gaeta informs Tigh that it could take as long as an hour to restore main power.		* In ''Galactica'''s CIC, Gaeta informs Tigh that it could take as long as an hour to restore main power.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Starbuck" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

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Text replacement - "Starbuck" to "{{callsign|Starbuck}}"

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	* Seconds later, the hatch to the brig begins to open but to their relief, it is Apollo and a contingent of Marines.		* Seconds later, the hatch to the brig begins to open but to their relief, it is Apollo and a contingent of Marines.
	* Apollo informs them of the situation, and instructs Venner to escort Billy and Roslin to safety. He has the Marines provide Billy and Roslin with sidearms. And although Billy relucantly takes one, Roslin refuses to arm herself. Apollo tells them to go to the sick bay, but to avoid the gunfire. For his own part, Apollo plans to take his team to an arms locker to find more explosive rounds and stop the Centurion incursion.		* Apollo informs them of the situation, and instructs Venner to escort Billy and Roslin to safety. He has the Marines provide Billy and Roslin with sidearms. And although Billy relucantly takes one, Roslin refuses to arm herself. Apollo tells them to go to the sick bay, but to avoid the gunfire. For his own part, Apollo plans to take his team to an arms locker to find more explosive rounds and stop the Centurion incursion.
	* In the city of [[Delphi]] on {{RDM\|Caprica}}, [[Karl Agathon\|Helo]] and ~~[[Kara Thrace~~\|Starbuck]] are walking through the streets, when Starbuck comments on the lack of dead bodies. Helo explains that they have been collected by the Cylons and cremated, much to her disgust. He also expresses his plan to head to the airbases to look for a [[Raptor]] on which to escape the planet.		* In the city of [[Delphi]] on {{RDM\|Caprica}}, [[Karl Agathon\|Helo]] and {{callsign\|Starbuck}} are walking through the streets, when Starbuck comments on the lack of dead bodies. Helo explains that they have been collected by the Cylons and cremated, much to her disgust. He also expresses his plan to head to the airbases to look for a [[Raptor]] on which to escape the planet.
	* Starbuck, however, is not very amiable because he was fooled by, and [[Six Degrees of Separation\|impregnated a Cylon]]. She suddenly looks around and decides they should make a "pit stop" and heads to one of the buildings.		* Starbuck, however, is not very amiable because he was fooled by, and [[Six Degrees of Separation\|impregnated a Cylon]]. She suddenly looks around and decides they should make a "pit stop" and heads to one of the buildings.
	* In ''Galactica'''s CIC, Gaeta informs Tigh that it could take as long as an hour to restore main power.		* In ''Galactica'''s CIC, Gaeta informs Tigh that it could take as long as an hour to restore main power.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Sharon Agathon" to "{{callsign|Athena}}"

2024-02-19T04:08:46Z

Text replacement - "Sharon Agathon" to "{{callsign|Athena}}"

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	*The Fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode. Prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]].		*The Fleet population cited in the opening credits is 47,874. This is one less than the previous episode. Prior to the opening credits, a Cylon kills [[Flyboy]].
	* During the teaser, just before Flyboy has his ill-fated run-in with the Centurion, [[Louanne Katraine]] exclaims "Jesus!" in reaction to seeing the Cylon. This would be the second time that a "Jesus" ad-lib makes an appearance in the series, the first being from [[Michael Hogan]] during the [[Miniseries, Night 1\|Miniseries]].		* During the teaser, just before Flyboy has his ill-fated run-in with the Centurion, [[Louanne Katraine]] exclaims "Jesus!" in reaction to seeing the Cylon. This would be the second time that a "Jesus" ad-lib makes an appearance in the series, the first being from [[Michael Hogan]] during the [[Miniseries, Night 1\|Miniseries]].
	*This is the first episode without an appearance by either [[Sharon Valerii]] or the future ~~[[Sharon Agathon]]~~ (except in opening montage). Other episodes in which no Number Eights appear include "[[Fragged]]", "[[Black Market]]", "[[The Captain's Hand]]", "[[Collaborators]]", "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]", "[[Dirty Hands]]", and "[[Escape Velocity]]".		*This is the first episode without an appearance by either [[Sharon Valerii]] or the future {{callsign\|Athena}} (except in opening montage). Other episodes in which no Number Eights appear include "[[Fragged]]", "[[Black Market]]", "[[The Captain's Hand]]", "[[Collaborators]]", "[[Taking a Break From All Your Worries]]", "[[Dirty Hands]]", and "[[Escape Velocity]]".
	*Karl Agathon reveals to Kara Thrace that the Cylons recovered the bodies and brought them to cremation centers, hence the lack of bodies.		*Karl Agathon reveals to Kara Thrace that the Cylons recovered the bodies and brought them to cremation centers, hence the lack of bodies.
	*Socinus, initially slated to die in early drafts of "[[Scattered]]", dies in this episode - euthanised by Tyrol.		*Socinus, initially slated to die in early drafts of "[[Scattered]]", dies in this episode - euthanised by Tyrol.

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	== Analysis ==		== Analysis ==
	*The Centurions in this episode can only be destroyed by explosive rounds, which is a large plot element. However, in episodes before and after "Valley of Darkness", Centurions have been seen being destroyed by regular bullets. These Centurions might have heavier armor because they are being used for a boarding action and will see heavy fighting. When episode writer Bradley Thompson was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Centurion armor\|asked]] about this by Battlestar Wiki, he answered:		*The Centurions in this episode can only be destroyed by explosive rounds, which is a large plot element. However, in episodes before and after "Valley of Darkness", Centurions have been seen being destroyed by regular bullets. These Centurions might have heavier armor because they are being used for a boarding action and will see heavy fighting. When episode writer Bradley Thompson was [[Battlestar Wiki:Official Communiques#Centurion armor\|asked]] about this by Battlestar Wiki, he answered:
	::''"Centurions are constantly being upgraded - new ones come out with better armor, quieter servos, better battle software. Some are designed for different uses (the ones designed for submarine use have REALLY heavy armor but are exceptionally slow, and have reduced ammunition carrying capacity.) Not to mention that the Colonials have remarkably bright backyard engineers -- they've been hot-loading our small-arms rounds, coming up with better armor-piercing projectiles -- it's the constant ebb-and-flow of wartime technology."''		::''"Centurions are constantly being upgraded - new ones come out with better armor, quieter servos, better battle software. Some are designed for different uses (the ones designed for submarine use have REALLY heavy armor but are exceptionally slow, and have reduced ammunition carrying capacity.) Not to mention that the Colonials have remarkably bright backyard engineers—they've been hot-loading our small-arms rounds, coming up with better armor-piercing projectiles—it's the constant ebb-and-flow of wartime technology."''
	*The fate of the Heavy Raider in the starboard bay is unknown. It's possible that, like Starbuck's captured Raider, the Colonials keep it for study. However, the crash may have damaged it beyond repair. (The Fleet later gains a second, [[Home, Part I\|intact Heavy Raider]]. Its FTL guidance system is used in tandem with [[Sharon Agathon\|Caprica-Valerii]] for the Caprica rescue mission {{TRS\|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I}}.)		*The fate of the Heavy Raider in the starboard bay is unknown. It's possible that, like Starbuck's captured Raider, the Colonials keep it for study. However, the crash may have damaged it beyond repair. (The Fleet later gains a second, [[Home, Part I\|intact Heavy Raider]]. Its FTL guidance system is used in tandem with [[Sharon Agathon\|Caprica-Valerii]] for the Caprica rescue mission {{TRS\|Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I}}.)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Hot Dog" to "{{callsign|Hot Dog}}"

2024-02-16T04:12:23Z

Text replacement - "Hot Dog" to "{{callsign|Hot Dog}}"

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	* Power goes out in the hangar and [[Jammer]] tells Apollo that the only thing he can find that is working are the sound-powered phones, but the signals are jammed.		* Power goes out in the hangar and [[Jammer]] tells Apollo that the only thing he can find that is working are the sound-powered phones, but the signals are jammed.
	* In CIC, [[Aaron Kelly]] receives a call, and in horror informs Tigh that they have been boarded.		* In CIC, [[Aaron Kelly]] receives a call, and in horror informs Tigh that they have been boarded.
	* As they make their way back to their quarters in the dark, {{callsign\|Kat}}, [[Hot Dog]] and [[Flyboy]] continue to boast about their kills when they are shocked to see a [[Cylon Centurion\|Centurion]], who swipes its razor claws through Flyboy, killing him.		* As they make their way back to their quarters in the dark, {{callsign\|Kat}}, {{callsign\|Hot Dog}} and [[Flyboy]] continue to boast about their kills when they are shocked to see a [[Cylon Centurion\|Centurion]], who swipes its razor claws through Flyboy, killing him.
	* The other pilots quickly retreat with the Centurion pursuing them. They try to make it up a flight of emergency stairs with Apollo in the rear.		* The other pilots quickly retreat with the Centurion pursuing them. They try to make it up a flight of emergency stairs with Apollo in the rear.