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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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	You were looking for a higher res image of this... ;)		You were looking for a higher res image of this... ;)
	[[~~Image~~:Image_lg_bgcast.jpg\|100px]]		[[File:Image_lg_bgcast.jpg\|100px]]
	--[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] 14:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)		--[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] 14:54, 24 April 2006 (CDT)

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	== Colonial Toasters are Real Toasters! ==		== Colonial Toasters are Real Toasters! ==

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	See that Colonial toaster, which you must since this image is a whole ton of pixels. I was in a kitchen shop the other day (don't ask why) and, believe it or not, I saw the ''exact same brand of toaster'' for sale, from the style to dial to the doubl-slots to the "evil red eye" (the activation switch). This brand of toaster is made by Dualit, although their logo appears to have been edited out for the series (appropriate, since if viewers saw an Earth corporation in the Colonies it would lead to crazy theories surfacing on Internet forums). Can you believe the reality of this??? I have to buy that toaster now! --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 23:58, 24 July 2006 (CDT)		See that Colonial toaster, which you must since this image is a whole ton of pixels. I was in a kitchen shop the other day (don't ask why) and, believe it or not, I saw the ''exact same brand of toaster'' for sale, from the style to dial to the doubl-slots to the "evil red eye" (the activation switch). This brand of toaster is made by Dualit, although their logo appears to have been edited out for the series (appropriate, since if viewers saw an Earth corporation in the Colonies it would lead to crazy theories surfacing on Internet forums). Can you believe the reality of this??? I have to buy that toaster now! --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 23:58, 24 July 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	::Hey, it's perfectly alright to post here :). Ah yes, it was mainly Merv's calculations, which I found to be pretty cool, mainly because I don't feel like they're really moving in space unless I see a map ;p. That's also why I loved your article, because I had a similar feeling with Helo and Sharon in Season 1 --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 18:00 28 June 2006 (CDT)		::Hey, it's perfectly alright to post here :). Ah yes, it was mainly Merv's calculations, which I found to be pretty cool, mainly because I don't feel like they're really moving in space unless I see a map ;p. That's also why I loved your article, because I had a similar feeling with Helo and Sharon in Season 1 --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 18:00 28 June 2006 (CDT)

	:::So you loved my article! That feels good. [[User: ~~Peter Farago~~\|Peter]] liked it too. The Merovingian actually thought there was too much detail in my descriptions, but he was okay with that as long as Peter supported the article. I'm a bit curious to find out your reaction to my level of detail, as reactions have ranged from "excellent" to "too much." In case you weren't aware, (which I bet you are at this point), Spencerian thought that he could use your map and Merv's calculations in his article [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]. I checked it out earlier today and it is an extremely cool part of this wiki. Also, I had the same feeling you had regarding Helo and Sharon's movement. I actually thought they were in the same city (namely, an older section of Caprica City), until I saw some talk pages and I found out that there were two unnamed cities entirely separate from Caprica City, which of course, was BLOWN UP. I'll talk to you later. Homeworld out ;). --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)		:::So you loved my article! That feels good. [[User: April Arcus\|Peter]] liked it too. The Merovingian actually thought there was too much detail in my descriptions, but he was okay with that as long as Peter supported the article. I'm a bit curious to find out your reaction to my level of detail, as reactions have ranged from "excellent" to "too much." In case you weren't aware, (which I bet you are at this point), Spencerian thought that he could use your map and Merv's calculations in his article [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]. I checked it out earlier today and it is an extremely cool part of this wiki. Also, I had the same feeling you had regarding Helo and Sharon's movement. I actually thought they were in the same city (namely, an older section of Caprica City), until I saw some talk pages and I found out that there were two unnamed cities entirely separate from Caprica City, which of course, was BLOWN UP. I'll talk to you later. Homeworld out ;). --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

	::::I think it was an excellent article, I didn't know it was 2 Cities, and I had never actually thought too much about where they were walking, since it felt like they were always in the same place, so it really helped with the positioning of their trail, helped me imagine how they were sort of running deeper towards the continent, away from the sea, so that was quite cool --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:22 28 June 2006 (CDT)		::::I think it was an excellent article, I didn't know it was 2 Cities, and I had never actually thought too much about where they were walking, since it felt like they were always in the same place, so it really helped with the positioning of their trail, helped me imagine how they were sort of running deeper towards the continent, away from the sea, so that was quite cool --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:22 28 June 2006 (CDT)

Sauron18: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)		::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)		:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)
			::::::The podcast says they can make more copies, which means they have the tech to make more bodies and consciousnesses. The interview says they only have 12 models because of cultural reasons, not scientific. The point in this is that they have the tech, and the ability to use it, but they don't do it because they don't want to, not because they can't. They are machines, they evolved. That is what we know, and what we have in the article. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 01:25, 4 February 2007 (CST)

Bradtem: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)		::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)

Sauron18: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Bradtem: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	:As I said on the edit note, I removed it because sources already contradicted that, and on a milder side because it was fanwankery, a fan-inferrence with no clear anchor on the show. But it was mainly because of the contradictions --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 15:10, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:As I said on the edit note, I removed it because sources already contradicted that, and on a milder side because it was fanwankery, a fan-inferrence with no clear anchor on the show. But it was mainly because of the contradictions --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 15:10, 3 February 2007 (CST)

			:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Sauron18: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	:Another thing he said was that the whole breeding program was not out of necessity, but out of a part of their culture. The Cylons who want to feel alive, and are apparently the majority, feel that they can't really call themeselves a "people" until they've created children.		:Another thing he said was that the whole breeding program was not out of necessity, but out of a part of their culture. The Cylons who want to feel alive, and are apparently the majority, feel that they can't really call themeselves a "people" until they've created children.

	:As I said on the edit note, I removed it because sources already contradicted that, and on a milder side because it was fanwankery, a fan-inferrence~~. That they were built by~~ the ~~other Cylons is really quite supported if not downright factualized (if that's a real word~~.~~..) by~~ the ~~intro, as well as other sources, which at least makes it more than fanwankery.~~ --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 15:10, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:As I said on the edit note, I removed it because sources already contradicted that, and on a milder side because it was fanwankery, a fan-inferrence with no clear anchor on the show. But it was mainly because of the contradictions --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 15:10, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Sauron18: /* Cylon origins contradiction */

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	So why isn't the first line speculation, or, as I thought was appopriate, should not the two alternatives be outlined?--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 15:00, 3 February 2007 (CST)		So why isn't the first line speculation, or, as I thought was appopriate, should not the two alternatives be outlined?--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 15:00, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			:I removed it because it contradicted sources, specifically certain podcasts (I think the one of "Torn" and others) as well as interviews in which RDM stated that they only created 12 models because those are all the ones they wanted to create, not because they couldn't create anymore, but because they specifically wanted 12.

			:He also mentioned that they can make copies and copies of themeselves, as well as new Cylons again and again, meaning they do know how to use the technology to make new bodies and make new Cylon Consciousnesses.

			:Another thing he said was that the whole breeding program was not out of necessity, but out of a part of their culture. The Cylons who want to feel alive, and are apparently the majority, feel that they can't really call themeselves a "people" until they've created children.

			:As I said on the edit note, I removed it because sources already contradicted that, and on a milder side because it was fanwankery, a fan-inferrence. That they were built by the other Cylons is really quite supported if not downright factualized (if that's a real word...) by the intro, as well as other sources, which at least makes it more than fanwankery. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 15:10, 3 February 2007 (CST)

Bradtem: Cylon origins contradiction

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	:::::::It's just the bare quote, which also shows that the next part of the notes is speculation and presents only the actual facts while clearly marking what is an inference. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 13:45, 27 January 2007 (CST)		:::::::It's just the bare quote, which also shows that the next part of the notes is speculation and presents only the actual facts while clearly marking what is an inference. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 13:45, 27 January 2007 (CST)

			== Cylon origins contradiction ==

			I noticed you removed an edit on the question of Cylon origins, indicating that the note that Cylons do not appear to be in control of the biotechnology that created the humanoid was speculation in contradiction of sources. I am curious as to what the sources are, and why this is speculation? There are many scenes there they express their frustration at being unable to breed or make new cylons.

			I added that because I thought the line before it was the one that was speculation -- that the humanoid cylons were build mostly or solely by the mechanical ones who revolted. Other than the line "They evolved" is there anything else I have missed in the show that backs that up?

			We all have our theories on the origin of the Cylons, but I wanted to enumerate what we have really been shown. Right now we have not been shown anything about how the humanoids were made, or by who, other than D'anna's talk of "the one who programmed us" and their other talk of God. In addition, they show none of the biotech skills that would be associated with creating the humanoids, such as being able to breed or create new models.

			So why isn't the first line speculation, or, as I thought was appopriate, should not the two alternatives be outlined?--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 15:00, 3 February 2007 (CST)

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	::Hey, it's perfectly alright to post here :). Ah yes, it was mainly Merv's calculations, which I found to be pretty cool, mainly because I don't feel like they're really moving in space unless I see a map ;p. That's also why I loved your article, because I had a similar feeling with Helo and Sharon in Season 1 --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 18:00 28 June 2006 (CDT)		::Hey, it's perfectly alright to post here :). Ah yes, it was mainly Merv's calculations, which I found to be pretty cool, mainly because I don't feel like they're really moving in space unless I see a map ;p. That's also why I loved your article, because I had a similar feeling with Helo and Sharon in Season 1 --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 18:00 28 June 2006 (CDT)

	:::So you loved my article! That feels good. [[User: ~~Peter Farago~~\|Peter]] liked it too. The Merovingian actually thought there was too much detail in my descriptions, but he was okay with that as long as Peter supported the article. I'm a bit curious to find out your reaction to my level of detail, as reactions have ranged from "excellent" to "too much." In case you weren't aware, (which I bet you are at this point), Spencerian thought that he could use your map and Merv's calculations in his article [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]. I checked it out earlier today and it is an extremely cool part of this wiki. Also, I had the same feeling you had regarding Helo and Sharon's movement. I actually thought they were in the same city (namely, an older section of Caprica City), until I saw some talk pages and I found out that there were two unnamed cities entirely separate from Caprica City, which of course, was BLOWN UP. I'll talk to you later. Homeworld out ;). --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)		:::So you loved my article! That feels good. [[User: April Arcus\|Peter]] liked it too. The Merovingian actually thought there was too much detail in my descriptions, but he was okay with that as long as Peter supported the article. I'm a bit curious to find out your reaction to my level of detail, as reactions have ranged from "excellent" to "too much." In case you weren't aware, (which I bet you are at this point), Spencerian thought that he could use your map and Merv's calculations in his article [[Science in the Re-imagined Series]]. I checked it out earlier today and it is an extremely cool part of this wiki. Also, I had the same feeling you had regarding Helo and Sharon's movement. I actually thought they were in the same city (namely, an older section of Caprica City), until I saw some talk pages and I found out that there were two unnamed cities entirely separate from Caprica City, which of course, was BLOWN UP. I'll talk to you later. Homeworld out ;). --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:36, 28 June 2006 (CDT)

	::::I think it was an excellent article, I didn't know it was 2 Cities, and I had never actually thought too much about where they were walking, since it felt like they were always in the same place, so it really helped with the positioning of their trail, helped me imagine how they were sort of running deeper towards the continent, away from the sea, so that was quite cool --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:22 28 June 2006 (CDT)		::::I think it was an excellent article, I didn't know it was 2 Cities, and I had never actually thought too much about where they were walking, since it felt like they were always in the same place, so it really helped with the positioning of their trail, helped me imagine how they were sort of running deeper towards the continent, away from the sea, so that was quite cool --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:22 28 June 2006 (CDT)

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	::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)		::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)		:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)
			::::::The podcast says they can make more copies, which means they have the tech to make more bodies and consciousnesses. The interview says they only have 12 models because of cultural reasons, not scientific. The point in this is that they have the tech, and the ability to use it, but they don't do it because they don't want to, not because they can't. They are machines, they evolved. That is what we know, and what we have in the article. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 01:25, 4 February 2007 (CST)

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	:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)		::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			:::::Just read the Torn transcript. It has that the Cylons can make more of their existsing models does not say they can make wholly new models, that must be elsewhere. It doesn't add anything about where the biotech came from. I've always been of the view the Cylon biotech is really advanced, light years ahead of the colonials. Too far advanced in fact that it was silly of them to nuke the colonials when that level of biotech could have wiped them out far more easily. Yet they can't deal with a simple virus, or cure Hera. It doesn't make sense -- unless they got the biotech from somewhere else, such as earlier generation Cylons from the Kobol war, for one speculation. But I would be interested to see if anything in the show contradicts that.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 00:43, 4 February 2007 (CST)

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	:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:: Well, I would differ and say it's pretty well established they don't know how to breed and consider it a top priority. However, I mainly wanted to know where this was from -- thanks for the answer. It would be lovely if people summarized the podcasts I guess or they did transcripts. Based on real world biology I find it surprised to imagine having the tech to make whole new humans that can't be detected as different by a doctor, but to be unable to do basic breeding but I agree that's a supposition, not something documented. Because my suspicion is that older beings were involved in creating the bio-cylons, I remain curious of what the justification in the show/podcasts is for the statement I was attempting to balance, that the original mechanical models had a major or sole role in creating the humanoids. If there is no justification that should also be tagged or removed as a speculation, I would imagine.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 17:43, 3 February 2007 (CST)
	:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)		:::There are podcast transcripts right here: [[Battlestar Wiki:Podcast Transcripts]] --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:20, 3 February 2007 (CST)
			::::Thanks, I'm pretty sure it's in the podcast for "Torn", and the interview is on the Cylon page. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19:48, 3 February 2007 (CST)