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Mercifull: Redirect to new name

2006-08-24T14:30:27Z

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The Merovingian: /* Music to work, too */

2006-08-20T06:51:39Z

Music to work, too

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	:::::::Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V? Also, I bet in the movie Parliament was abandonned as well and just kept looking nice for national pride and BTN backdrops. No one in the Government ever mentioned it as a functioning legislative body, just as a building. All power seemed to lie with Sutler and Creedy. By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel? I know that in the movie my country was basically obliterated by the War on Terror and we're trapped in a massive-scale, bloody second civil war and desperate for supplies (Prothero does a really nice job of cussing us out in the opening). There's actually a funny filming gaffe there. You know after Sutler orders Dascomb to send that message of near-doom to the people? When the BTN is reporting on the Second Civil War, the news poppet says "In the former United States the second civil war continues to ravage the Midwest." There was a small inset screen showing Americans toting M16s shooting up trucks, convenience stores and strip malls. The funny thing was, there were palm trees outside one of the malls so that was filming Florida or southern California. The Midwest is full of wheat and no palm trees. That just cracked me up. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 20:54, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		:::::::Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V? Also, I bet in the movie Parliament was abandonned as well and just kept looking nice for national pride and BTN backdrops. No one in the Government ever mentioned it as a functioning legislative body, just as a building. All power seemed to lie with Sutler and Creedy. By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel? I know that in the movie my country was basically obliterated by the War on Terror and we're trapped in a massive-scale, bloody second civil war and desperate for supplies (Prothero does a really nice job of cussing us out in the opening). There's actually a funny filming gaffe there. You know after Sutler orders Dascomb to send that message of near-doom to the people? When the BTN is reporting on the Second Civil War, the news poppet says "In the former United States the second civil war continues to ravage the Midwest." There was a small inset screen showing Americans toting M16s shooting up trucks, convenience stores and strip malls. The funny thing was, there were palm trees outside one of the malls so that was filming Florida or southern California. The Midwest is full of wheat and no palm trees. That just cracked me up. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 20:54, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
			:::::::"''Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V?''"------>V explicitly makes all of this clear in a speech. He explains that there are 2 sides to Anarchy; it's not just chaos. It's people governing for themselves. So half of it is destroying, the rest is rebuilding and making sure it rebuilds ''right'' this time. V himself is a destroyer; he has no place in the rebuilding phase of Anarchy, while Evey does. In the movie, V suicidally takes on Creedy and his men: V could easily have killed all of them without risking his life; he wanted to die; his place in the world died with the end of Norsefire. Similar thing happens in the novel, though I think the movie did it better; in the novel, in a very similar scene, Finch figures out that the Shadow Gallery is really in the ruins of Victoria Station, goes there and V anticipated his arrival; V LETS Finch shoot him, and then leaves. It's expressely stated by Finch that he shouldn't have been able to kill V, but that V Wanted to die. This is the part the movie screwed up--->A huge crowd of people masses in front of 10 Downing Street (Parliament in the movie) and are about to riot when word comes over the loudspeakers that Codename V is dead. (V dies with Evey as in movie, though in the Shadow Gallery's main hall). Everyone hesistates; then Evey-as-V (Evey put on a spare V costume and becomes the new V) stands on a rooftop and announces that reports of "his death...were greatly exaggerated". Remboldened, the crowd rushes the soldiers and a bloody battle ensues. B) I don't really notice such little things like "midwest but there's palm trees"; 1) they're just running stock footage of fighting somewhere else 2) the US has balkanized or something into several smaller fighting regions, like the former USSR. The USA is really only mentioned in passing in the movie and we can't really piece together what's going on. Rather than a "second civil war", it's more like the soviet breakup; dozens of tiny fiefdoms carved out of the corpse. 3) '''I assumed that BTN was making up or exaggerating most of it as propaganda anyway'''. "''By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel?''"--->They don't really mention it that much, but the key difference is that '''in the graphic novel there was a limited nuclear war, while in the movie there was a massive bio-terror attack'''. The idea in the graphic novel is that there was a nuclear war, but because Britain was officially neutral, there were no nuclear attacks on Britain itself. **However, the outside world is decimated. It's worse than in the movie. Continental Europe, and Africa, simply "aren't there anymore!" They're gone. USA and USSR nuked each other to ashes. In the graphic novel its different: although not nuked directly, massive ecological damage wreaks havoc on Britain (the Thames floods out most of London, disease is rampant, food scarce, etc.); years later they've kind of rebuilt, but things are pretty shaky (that's also why the London Underground was abandoned in the novel; flood damage, as opposed to the movie where after the bio-terror attack everyone was afraid to use them and they were sealed off and/or abandoned. --------->Anyway, the idea is that Norsefire is the only thing holding "Britain" together as they really haven't recovered from the ecological/economic devastation of the war....this makes V's actions even more gray: in the movie, all is well with Norsefire gone; in the graphic novel, serious questions are raised that destroying the bad* government might make everything simply fall apart. ------->Of course, in the foward to the graphic novel from a few years ago, the writer acknowledged taht when he wrote it in the 1980's they thought there was such a thing as "a survivable nuclear war", but that now experts thought that even a "limited" nuclear war was unsurvivable. So I think using bio-terrorism weapons instead in the movie was the more "realistic" way of updating the idea; still a weapon of mass destruction, but more plausible. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 01:51, 20 August 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld: Reply to The Merovingian's comments

2006-08-20T01:54:47Z

Reply to The Merovingian's comments

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	::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
	::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street is. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street is. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

			:::::::Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V? Also, I bet in the movie Parliament was abandonned as well and just kept looking nice for national pride and BTN backdrops. No one in the Government ever mentioned it as a functioning legislative body, just as a building. All power seemed to lie with Sutler and Creedy. By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel? I know that in the movie my country was basically obliterated by the War on Terror and we're trapped in a massive-scale, bloody second civil war and desperate for supplies (Prothero does a really nice job of cussing us out in the opening). There's actually a funny filming gaffe there. You know after Sutler orders Dascomb to send that message of near-doom to the people? When the BTN is reporting on the Second Civil War, the news poppet says "In the former United States the second civil war continues to ravage the Midwest." There was a small inset screen showing Americans toting M16s shooting up trucks, convenience stores and strip malls. The funny thing was, there were palm trees outside one of the malls so that was filming Florida or southern California. The Midwest is full of wheat and no palm trees. That just cracked me up. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 20:54, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

The Merovingian: /* Music to work, too */

2006-08-20T00:58:39Z

Music to work, too

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	::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
			::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street is. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld: Reply to The Merovingian's comment

2006-08-20T00:43:29Z

Reply to The Merovingian's comment

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	:::"Please allow me to introduce myself: I'm a man of wealth...and taste" --''V for Vendetta'' graphic novel, p.54, V introducing himself to Bishop Lilliman before he kills him in the abbey.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:10, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		:::"Please allow me to introduce myself: I'm a man of wealth...and taste" --''V for Vendetta'' graphic novel, p.54, V introducing himself to Bishop Lilliman before he kills him in the abbey.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:10, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

			::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

The Merovingian: /* Music to work, too */

2006-08-20T00:10:45Z

Music to work, too

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	::Yes! Thank you for the compliments. You know, I have to thank you a lot for inspiring a lot of sections on my userpage. If not for your page, I wouldn't have a V for Vendetta section or a music category. I checked out some of the songs on your page, most notably ''In the Year 2525.'' You have an excellent taste. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have a couple Evanescence songs I need to add. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 13:41, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::Yes! Thank you for the compliments. You know, I have to thank you a lot for inspiring a lot of sections on my userpage. If not for your page, I wouldn't have a V for Vendetta section or a music category. I checked out some of the songs on your page, most notably ''In the Year 2525.'' You have an excellent taste. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have a couple Evanescence songs I need to add. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 13:41, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

			:::"Please allow me to introduce myself: I'm a man of wealth...and taste" --''V for Vendetta'' graphic novel, p.54, V introducing himself to Bishop Lilliman before he kills him in the abbey.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:10, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld: Thank you!

2006-08-19T18:41:54Z

Thank you!

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	May I compliment you on your kick-a$$ selection of music to work to. I was going to add a Rob Zombie myself; "Superbeast" set to the Eva-02 vs the Mass Production Evas fight, but as it's....incredibly spoilerific for ''End of Evangelion'' I'm waiting on that...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 10:55, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		May I compliment you on your kick-a$$ selection of music to work to. I was going to add a Rob Zombie myself; "Superbeast" set to the Eva-02 vs the Mass Production Evas fight, but as it's....incredibly spoilerific for ''End of Evangelion'' I'm waiting on that...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 10:55, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

			::Yes! Thank you for the compliments. You know, I have to thank you a lot for inspiring a lot of sections on my userpage. If not for your page, I wouldn't have a V for Vendetta section or a music category. I checked out some of the songs on your page, most notably ''In the Year 2525.'' You have an excellent taste. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I have a couple Evanescence songs I need to add. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 13:41, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

The Merovingian: /* ESKIMOS? */

2006-08-19T15:55:58Z

ESKIMOS?

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	:::::I suppose you're right. The science of the RDM series is pretty accurate. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 10:06, 30 July 2006 (CDT)		:::::I suppose you're right. The science of the RDM series is pretty accurate. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 10:06, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

			==Music to work, too==

			May I compliment you on your kick-a$$ selection of music to work to. I was going to add a Rob Zombie myself; "Superbeast" set to the Eva-02 vs the Mass Production Evas fight, but as it's....incredibly spoilerific for ''End of Evangelion'' I'm waiting on that...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 10:55, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

Homeworld: You're right

2006-07-30T15:06:03Z

You're right

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	::::If that were true, it be true in real life. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 06:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)		::::If that were true, it be true in real life. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 06:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

			:::::I suppose you're right. The science of the RDM series is pretty accurate. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 10:06, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

Shane: /* ESKIMOS? */

2006-07-30T11:30:09Z

ESKIMOS?

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	:::Ha! That's a good one! No, seriously it is! Eskimos can now live on ''all'' of the Twelve Colonies, in every region to. Although I should point out that while Helo and Sharon were stuck on Caprica, it was in Nuclear Winter and all the happened was a lot of rain...and it was sunny in some episodes! Shouldn't it have been all dark and threatening like the scorched sky in The Matrix? --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 01:04, 30 July 2006 (CDT)		:::Ha! That's a good one! No, seriously it is! Eskimos can now live on ''all'' of the Twelve Colonies, in every region to. Although I should point out that while Helo and Sharon were stuck on Caprica, it was in Nuclear Winter and all the happened was a lot of rain...and it was sunny in some episodes! Shouldn't it have been all dark and threatening like the scorched sky in The Matrix? --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 01:04, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

			::::If that were true, it be true in real life. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 06:30, 30 July 2006 (CDT)

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	::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::::Ah yes, ''Sympathy for the Devil'' by the Rolling Stones. You know, I've never actually read the V for Vendetta graphic novel. I've only seen the movie (which is stellar, if I do say so myself). I read about the graphic novel on Wikipedia and it is apparently quite a bit different from the motion picture. The best way I can sum up the differences is that in the movie the protagonists/antagonists are based on icons and in the graphic novel they are based on caricatures. It is my opinion, however, that in the novel, it's sort of anticlimactic to blow up 10 Downing Street last and Parliament first with the Old Bailey in the middle. I'm American so I don't know which of those three buildings has more symbolism for you in the UK, but for us Parliament is the symbol of your country. Of course, blowing up 10 Downing, Old Bailey and Parliament is your equivalent of us seeing the White House, Supreme Court and Capitol Building explode. I'm actually hoping to get the graphic novel for Christmas. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 19:43, 19 August 2006 (CDT)
	::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street is. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)		::::::The graphic novel was a lot more gray; V is actually an anarchist believing in no government, and he kills a LOT of people. No, in the graphic novel it wasn't anti-climactic; for British people they actually know all of this stuff better; there are Americans taht don't even know what 10 Downing Street is. But of course in the comic Parliament had been abandoned for years; left an empty shell. As for the ending, the novel was flat out better; Evey BECOMES V, and instead of the army putting down their guns, there's a bloody French Reovolution-like riot in which they storm the soldiers and lot of people die, but they win and destroy the government. The movie was great, and I honestly can't think of anything they really should have changed. The thing I miss is that...you know how V "conducts" the destruction of the Old Bailey? In the novel, that's V's centerpiece near the end; he blows up like 3 major building complexes around London, everything to do with the video surveillance cameras (the equivalent of blowing up Fox News HQ, CIA headquarters, etc. all at once and all in one fell swoop) so when he's "directing" he's standing on a roof and pointing across the cityscape as explosions progress from horizon to horizon. He then takes a dramatic bow. It was cool. Plus the way V killed Lilliman in the novel was a lot more fun; no way they could get that into a movie....poisoned communion wafer...dear god...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 19:58, 19 August 2006 (CDT)

			:::::::Nice. Of couse, movies cut out a lot from the original production. That time-constraint stuff is a real kill-joy. The details you described would have been awesome in the movie. Of couse, I have to ask, why would Evey need to become V? With the Government toppled and anarchy in every UK republic why does there need to be a new V? Also, I bet in the movie Parliament was abandonned as well and just kept looking nice for national pride and BTN backdrops. No one in the Government ever mentioned it as a functioning legislative body, just as a building. All power seemed to lie with Sutler and Creedy. By the way, what was the fate of the United States in the graphic novel? I know that in the movie my country was basically obliterated by the War on Terror and we're trapped in a massive-scale, bloody second civil war and desperate for supplies (Prothero does a really nice job of cussing us out in the opening). There's actually a funny filming gaffe there. You know after Sutler orders Dascomb to send that message of near-doom to the people? When the BTN is reporting on the Second Civil War, the news poppet says "In the former United States the second civil war continues to ravage the Midwest." There was a small inset screen showing Americans toting M16s shooting up trucks, convenience stores and strip malls. The funny thing was, there were palm trees outside one of the malls so that was filming Florida or southern California. The Midwest is full of wheat and no palm trees. That just cracked me up. --[[User:Homeworld616\|Homeworld616]] 20:54, 19 August 2006 (CDT)