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	*'''''Admiral Adama~~'''~~ after the death of Jaffee and having been relieved of command:''		{{Quote
	~~: "~~'''I want you all to understand this!''' If you do this, there will be no forgiveness. No amnesty. [[Jaffee\|This boy]] died honoring his uniform. You, you'll die with nothing."		\| context = [[William Adama\|Admiral Adama]] after the death of [[Jaffee]] and having been relieved of command:
			\| text = '''I want you all to understand this!''' If you do this, there will be no forgiveness. No amnesty. [[Jaffee\|This boy]] died honoring his uniform. You, you'll die with nothing.
	*'''''President Roslin~~'''~~ addressing the fleet:''		\| sign = [[William Adama]]
	~~: "~~Women and men of the fleet. This is your president. We have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Of all the decisions that I have had to make since assuming the presidency, none was more frightening or more difficult than agreeing to this alliance with the Cylons. But we have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Cylons and humans have been at war for generations; we know nothing else. And we have been locked in a struggle that has seen both sides suffer unspeakable loss. But with our supplies running low and our options limited, our former enemies may represent our last, perhaps our only hope. To those in the fleet and in Galactica who would reject this alliance, I am asking you. No, I am begging you to reconsider and place your trust back in those who have brought you this far, and to reject those traitors who would use your fear of the Cylons to destroy Colonial civilization a..."		}}
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	*'''''Kara Thrace~~'''~~:''		\| context = President [[Laura Roslin\|Roslin]] addressing the fleet:
	:"Semper frakkin' fi!"		\| text = Women and men of the fleet. This is your president. We have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Of all the decisions that I have had to make since assuming the presidency, none was more frightening or more difficult than agreeing to this alliance with the Cylons. But we have come to a crossroads in our long and painful journey. Cylons and humans have been at war for generations; we know nothing else. And we have been locked in a struggle that has seen both sides suffer unspeakable loss. But with our supplies running low and our options limited, our former enemies may represent our last, perhaps our only hope. To those in the fleet and in Galactica who would reject this alliance, I am asking you. No, I am begging you to reconsider and place your trust back in those who have brought you this far, and to reject those traitors who would use your fear of the Cylons to destroy Colonial civilization a...
			\| sign = [[Laura Roslin]]
			}}
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			\| context = [[Kara Thrace]]:
			\| text = Semper frakkin' fi!
			\| sign = [[Kara Thrace]]
			}}

	== Guest Stars ==		== Guest Stars ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Official Statements */

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Official Statements

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	{{Quote		{{Quote
	\| context = [[Mike Dopud]] on Gage's return in Season 4 and the scheduling context created by the [[w:2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike]]:		\| context = [[Mike Dopud]] on [[Gage]]'s return in [[Season 4]] and the scheduling context created by the [[w:2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike]]:
	\| text = There was a big writers' strike going on at the time, when ''Battlestar'' had their last season, and some of the actors were cast in other shows. And then I was doing something else, but we were able to work it out that I was able to do some. So I was glad that it did work out, because it was nice to come back to the show.		\| text = There was a big writers' strike going on at the time, when ''Battlestar'' had their last season, and some of the actors were cast in other shows. And then I was doing something else, but we were able to work it out that I was able to do some. So I was glad that it did work out, because it was nice to come back to the show.
	\| sign = [[Mike Dopud]]		\| sign = [[Mike Dopud]]

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	== Official Statements ==		== Official Statements ==
			{{Quote
			\| context = [[Richard Hatch]] discusses [[Tom Zarek]] and [[Felix Gaeta]]'s motivations in this episode and mutiny arc:
			\| text = How it's aspected – I totally agree. Zarek had every reason to be pissed off and angry at what <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Laura Roslin\|Roslin]] and [[William Adama\|Adama]]<nowiki>]</nowiki> were doing – they wanted to operate without accountability because they believed they had all the answers, or they believed they had better answers than anyone else.

	* ''~~[[Richard Hatch]] discusses [[Tom~~ Zarek~~]] and [[Felix Gaeta]]~~'s ~~motivations~~ in ~~this episode and mutiny arc:''~~		It's ego, it's self-serving, but the way the show is aspected, it makes us care and support them more than the Zarek character because we don't get the context or back story for Zarek, to understand where he's coming from. We have to surmise where he's coming from, and in most instances, people would buy into what Adama said or Roslin said, as opposed to actually making up their own mind about Zarek.

	~~: How it's aspected – I totally agree. Zarek had every reason to be pissed off and angry at what <nowiki>[</nowiki>~~[[~~Laura Roslin~~\|~~Roslin~~]] and [~~[William Adama\|Adama]]<nowiki>~~]~~</nowiki> were doing – they wanted~~ to ~~operate without accountability because they believed they had~~ all ~~the answers~~, or ~~they believed they had better answers than anyone else~~.		There were two valid points about letting the [[Cylons (RDM)\|Cylons]] on board, and remember, the audience has the benefit of the overview whereas the characters are only seeing a limited part of the story. You [the viewer] get to see it from all angles, watching every character, so you're making a decision on what's right or not based on your knowledge.

	~~: It~~'~~s ego~~, it'~~s self-serving~~, ~~but~~ the way ~~the show is aspected~~, ~~it makes us care and support them more than~~ the ~~Zarek character because we don~~'~~t get~~ the ~~context or back story for Zarek~~, to ~~understand where he's coming from~~. We have ~~to surmise~~ where ~~he's coming from~~, and ~~in most instances, people~~ would ~~buy into what Adama said or Roslin said~~, ~~as opposed to actually making up their own mind about~~ Zarek.		Zarek and Gaeta can only go by what they've experienced in the past, what they've seen. And in reality, the Cylons are so unpredictable, and they're programmed in such a way, that how in the world can you ever trust anybody that's [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies\|killed millions of people]]? If you're a released [[Centurion (RDM)\|Cylon drone warrior]] who's been programmed to kill, with all of the power and technology that they have on [[basestar (RDM)\|the ship]]… They could very easily have decided to wipe out the humans. The writers could have just as easily gone the other way, where you kill Gaeta and Zarek, and at the end of the show the Cylons turn on the humans. And then you would've gone, "Oh my God! We hated Zarek and Gaeta and what they did… but they were right!"

	~~: There were two valid points about letting~~ the ~~[[Cylons (RDM)\|Cylons]] on board,~~ and ~~remember~~, ~~the audience has the benefit~~ of the ~~overview whereas~~ the ~~characters~~ are ~~only seeing~~ a ~~limited part~~ of ~~the story~~. ~~You~~ [~~the viewer~~] ~~get to see it from all angles, watching every character, so you're making a decision on what's right or not based on your knowledge~~.		But anyway, the point is that ''Battlestar'' has never been simple and obvious. It's something that forces you to think and philosophize and really challenge your own thinking, because there is a tendency in all of us to take sides. And we took sides even when Roslin and Adama were doing the wrong thing. To tell you the truth, had they done that within our own human society, we would've turned on them. But because it was a show, we were willing to suspend disbelief, even though they were doing things that really are such a huge violation of our Constitution.
			\| sign = [[Richard Hatch]]
			\| source = <ref>{{cite_web\|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/\|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II\|date=2009-08-13\|accessdate=2009-08-14}}</ref>
			}}

	~~: Zarek~~ and ~~Gaeta can only go~~ by ~~what they~~'~~ve experienced in~~ the ~~past~~, ~~what they~~'~~ve seen. And in reality~~, the ~~Cylons are so unpredictable, and they're programmed~~ in ~~such a way~~, that ~~how in~~ the ~~world can you ever trust anybody that's~~ [[~~Fall of the Twelve Colonies\|killed millions of people~~]]~~? If you're a released [[Centurion~~ (~~RDM~~)\|~~Cylon drone warrior]] who~~'s ~~been programmed to kill~~, ~~with all~~ of ~~the power and technology~~ that ~~they have on~~ [~~[basestar (RDM)\|the ship]~~]~~… They could very easily have decided to wipe out the humans~~. ~~The writers could have just as easily gone~~ the ~~other~~ way, ~~where you kill Gaeta~~ and ~~Zarek~~, and ~~at the end of the show the Cylons turn on the humans~~. ~~And then you would've gone,~~ "~~Oh my God! We hated Zarek and Gaeta and what they did… but they were right!~~"		{{Quote
			\| context = [[Mike Dopud]] on Gage's return in Season 4 and the scheduling context created by the [[w:2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike]]:
			\| text = There was a big writers' strike going on at the time, when ''Battlestar'' had their last season, and some of the actors were cast in other shows. And then I was doing something else, but we were able to work it out that I was able to do some. So I was glad that it did work out, because it was nice to come back to the show.
			\| sign = [[Mike Dopud]]
			\| source = <ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_return_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/\|title=152: Mike Dopud, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=2022-11-26\|accessdate=2026-05-17}}</ref>
			}}
			{{Quote
			\| context = Dopud on the dramatic continuity between Gage's Season 2 grievance and his Season 4 actions:
			\| text = Gage was such an asshole, for lack of a better term. He was, he just didn't care... Specialist Gage was a guy that looked after himself. That's all he cared about. [He didn't care] about anything else. And that's the way I approached him, and I think it was right. That was the tone, and that was what was necessary from Gage.
			\| sign = [[Mike Dopud]]
			\| source = <ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_gage_approach_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/\|title=152: Mike Dopud, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=2022-11-26\|accessdate=2026-05-17}}</ref>
			}}

	: But anyway, the point is that ''Battlestar'' has never been simple and obvious. It's something that forces you to think and philosophize and really challenge your own thinking, because there is a tendency in all of us to take sides. And we took sides even when Roslin and Adama were doing the wrong thing. To tell you the truth, had they done that within our own human society, we would've turned on them. But because it was a show, we were willing to suspend disbelief, even though they were doing things that really are such a huge violation of our Constitution.<ref>{{~~cite_web\|url=http://geeksdreamgirl.com/2009/08/13/j-interviews-richard-hatch-part-2/\|title=J Interviews Richard Hatch Part II\|date=13 August 2009\|accessdate=14 August 2009\|last=\|first=\|format=~~\|~~language=}}</ref>~~		{{Quote
			\| context = Dopud on the working relationship with director [[Wayne Rose]] that contributed to his return for the mutiny arc:
	* ''[[Mike Dopud]] on Gage's return in Season 4 and the scheduling context ~~created by the [[w:2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike\|2007–08 Writers Guild of America strike]]:''~~		\| text = Wayne Rose, who was a director on it, is a good friend of mine, as well. And I just saw him a couple of weeks ago, we had dinner together. And so yeah, you build relationships on these shows. And luckily, these people still stay in touch with me, and respond to my emails and such.
			\| sign = [[Mike Dopud]]
	: There was a big writers' strike going on at the time, when ''Battlestar'' had their last season, and some of the actors were cast in other shows. And then I was doing something else, but we were able to work it out that I was able to do some. So I was glad that it did work out, because it was nice to come back to the show.<ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_return_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/#:~:text=There%20was%20a%20big%20writers%27%20strike%20going%20on%20at%20the%20time%2C%20when%20Battlestar%20had%20their%20last%20season\|title=152: Mike Dopud~~, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=November 26, 2022\|accessdate=May 17, 2026}}</ref>~~		\| source = <ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_wayne_rose_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/\|title=152: Mike Dopud, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=2022-11-26\|accessdate=2026-05-17}}</ref>
			}}
	* ''Dopud on the dramatic continuity between Gage's Season 2 grievance and his Season 4 actions:''

	: Gage was such an asshole, for lack of a better term. He was, he just didn't care... Specialist Gage was a guy that looked after himself. That's all he cared about. [He didn't care] about anything else. And that's the way I approached him, and I think it was right. That was the tone, and that was what was necessary from Gage.<ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_gage_approach_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/#:~:text=Gage%20was%20such%20an%20asshole%2C%20for%20lack%20of%20a%20better%20term\|title=152: Mike Dopud, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=November 26, 2022\|accessdate=May 17, 2026}}</ref>

	* ''Dopud on the working relationship with director [[Wayne Rose]] ~~(director of the follow-up episode "[[Blood on the Scales]]")~~ that contributed to his return for the mutiny arc:''

	: Wayne Rose, who was a director on it, is a good friend of mine, as well. And I just saw him a couple of weeks ago, we had dinner together. And so yeah, you build relationships on these shows. And luckily, these people still stay in touch with me, and respond to my emails and such.<ref group="commentary" name="dopud_dialthegate_ep152_wayne_rose_oath">{{cite web\|url=https://www.dialthegate.com/videos/152-mike-dopud-actor-multiple-sg-roles-interview/~~#:~:text=Wayne%20Rose%2C%20who%20was%20a%20director%20on%20it%2C%20is%20a%20good%20friend%20of%20mine~~\|title=152: Mike Dopud, Actor, Multiple SG Roles (Interview)\|publisher=Dial the Gate\|date=~~November~~ 26~~, 2022~~\|accessdate=~~May~~ 17~~, 2026~~}}</ref>

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	~~==Overview==~~
	:''The opposition to the alliance with the rebel Cylons reaches its zenith, [[Felix Gaeta]] leads a mutiny aboard ''[[Galactica (TRS)\|Galactica]]'' and frees [[Tom Zarek]] from incarceration in ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} brig.''		:''The opposition to the alliance with the rebel Cylons reaches its zenith, [[Felix Gaeta]] leads a mutiny aboard ''[[Galactica (TRS)\|Galactica]]'' and frees [[Tom Zarek]] from incarceration in ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} brig.''

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "the ''Demetrius''" to "''Demetrius''"

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Text replacement - "the ''Demetrius''" to "''Demetrius''"

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	*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.		*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.
	*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica-Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica-Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.		*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica-Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica-Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.
	*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}}-led mutiny on ~~the~~ ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.		*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}}-led mutiny on ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.
	*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.		*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.
	*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.		*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Karl Agathon" to "{{callsign|Karl Agathon}}"

2025-02-08T16:19:12Z

Text replacement - "Karl Agathon" to "{{callsign|Karl Agathon}}"

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Guest Stars */ + Darryl Scheelar

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Guest Stars: + Darryl Scheelar

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	* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate\|Quorum Delegate]]		* [[Veena Sood]] as [[Unnamed civilians in the Fleet (RDM)#Quorum Delegate\|Quorum Delegate]]
	* [[Alain Chanoine]] as Marine Reb		* [[Alain Chanoine]] as Marine Reb
			* [[Darryl Scheelar]] as Marine [[Thompson]] (uncredited)

	== References ==		== References ==

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	*Ironically, Baltar, who had asked the question of whether the leaders of the Fleet will ever be anyone without the name Adama or Roslin, has sided with the Adamas and Roslin out of his need for self-preservation.		*Ironically, Baltar, who had asked the question of whether the leaders of the Fleet will ever be anyone without the name Adama or Roslin, has sided with the Adamas and Roslin out of his need for self-preservation.
	*Gaeta does not seem to have a large number of ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} senior staff on his side during the mutiny, lines of dialogue in the episode indicate the senior staff are in fact being taken into custody, suggesting the mutiny is more of an uprising of the "lower classes" . Notably Gaeta also relies heavily on civilian support to achieve his goals. Certainly none of the major characters in the show who are senior officers support Gaeta.		*Gaeta does not seem to have a large number of ''Galactica''{{'\|s}} senior staff on his side during the mutiny, lines of dialogue in the episode indicate the senior staff are in fact being taken into custody, suggesting the mutiny is more of an uprising of the "lower classes" . Notably Gaeta also relies heavily on civilian support to achieve his goals. Certainly none of the major characters in the show who are senior officers support Gaeta.
	*Racetrack is perhaps the most surprising member of Gaeta's mutiny. Although she did previously participate in Lee Adama and Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]", she has always displayed an unwavering loyalty to Adama (technically speaking, Tigh was commanding ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]"). While her general participation in the mutiny can be explained by her natural hatred for the Cylons, her willingness to lead Lee Adama into a possibly fatal trap was highly uncharacteristic. It is possible she thought Lee Adama would only be taken prisoner upon arrival.		*Racetrack is perhaps the most surprising member of Gaeta's mutiny. Although she did previously participate in Lee Adama and Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]," she has always displayed an unwavering loyalty to Adama (technically speaking, Tigh was commanding ''Galactica'' in "[[Resistance]]"). While her general participation in the mutiny can be explained by her natural hatred for the Cylons, her willingness to lead Lee Adama into a possibly fatal trap was highly uncharacteristic. It is possible she thought Lee Adama would only be taken prisoner upon arrival.
	*Given Gaeta's comment to Zarek that he should control Lee Adama's dissenting voice in the Quorum by "pushing his buttons" it seems unlikely that Gaeta would have then ordered Lee Adama executed upon returning to the ship. The actions of Connor and Skulls and the marine guard were possibly a spontaneous reaction to Lee's role in defending Baltar and supporting his father. It is unknown if Zarek gave the order to have the younger Adama killed.		*Given Gaeta's comment to Zarek that he should control Lee Adama's dissenting voice in the Quorum by "pushing his buttons" it seems unlikely that Gaeta would have then ordered Lee Adama executed upon returning to the ship. The actions of Connor and Skulls and the marine guard were possibly a spontaneous reaction to Lee's role in defending Baltar and supporting his father. It is unknown if Zarek gave the order to have the younger Adama killed.
	*Gaeta's opposition to allowing the Cylons to network the Fleet's ships is somewhat ironic given that he was the one who suggested networking ''Galactica'''s computer systems in "[[Scattered]]".		*Gaeta's opposition to allowing the Cylons to network the Fleet's ships is somewhat ironic given that he was the one who suggested networking ''Galactica'''s computer systems in "[[Scattered]]".

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Caprica Six" to "Caprica-Six"

2024-02-20T22:23:05Z

Text replacement - "Caprica Six" to "Caprica-Six"

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	* "It's been an honor serving with you," appears to be Adama's preferred final words; he stated the same when he believed his and his crew's deaths were imminent in "Exodus part 2".		* "It's been an honor serving with you," appears to be Adama's preferred final words; he stated the same when he believed his and his crew's deaths were imminent in "Exodus part 2".
	*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.		*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.
	*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.		*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica-Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica-Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.
	*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the [[Karl Agathon]]-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.		*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the [[Karl Agathon]]-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.
	*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.		*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.

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	* As Adama runs out, Thrace follows, warning the rest, "Follow me. Please," so she could have a better excuse to shoot them as well.		* As Adama runs out, Thrace follows, warning the rest, "Follow me. Please," so she could have a better excuse to shoot them as well.

	* As {{callsign\|Athena}} feeds her [[Hera Agathon\|daughter]], [[Karl Agathon]] gets his uniform on and warns Sharon to get Hera to daycare.		* As {{callsign\|Athena}} feeds her [[Hera Agathon\|daughter]], {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}} gets his uniform on and warns Sharon to get Hera to daycare.
	* Just then, the hatchway on their quarters is being jostled. Someone is trying to get in, and soon succeeds: an angry mob, led by [[Gage]], a former ''[[Pegasus (RDM)\|Pegasus]]'' crewman who remembers Agathon's role in the accidental death of [[Alistair Thorne]].		* Just then, the hatchway on their quarters is being jostled. Someone is trying to get in, and soon succeeds: an angry mob, led by [[Gage]], a former ''[[Pegasus (RDM)\|Pegasus]]'' crewman who remembers Agathon's role in the accidental death of [[Alistair Thorne]].
	* Gage gloats that he plans on raping Sharon Agathon later as marines beat Helo into unconsciousness.		* Gage gloats that he plans on raping Sharon Agathon later as marines beat Helo into unconsciousness.
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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*In the previous episode, it was said that two marines were killed by the rebellious crew of the tylium ship. Yet in this episode, the survivor count is down by just one - accounting for Laird's death prior to the opening sequence. This can be explained by births in the fleet.		*In the previous episode, it was said that two marines were killed by the rebellious crew of the tylium ship. Yet in this episode, the survivor count is down by just one - accounting for Laird's death prior to the opening sequence. This can be explained by births in the fleet.
	*The on-screen time code shows [[Lee Adama]] landing on Galactica at 0902. [[Kara_Thrace\|Starbuck]] rescues him from the flight deck and, after an interruption and cutaway, they regroup in a secure area, with the time once again listed as 0902. [[Ronald D. Moore]] explains in the [[Podcast:The_Oath#Teaser\|DVD commentary]] that timestamps were used to convey a faster pace to events. The identical timestamps may have been intended to convey that the two segments, despite the interruption and cutaway, were part of the same scene, and that the events of that scene were occurring at exactly the same time as the arrest of [[Sharon_Agathon\|Sharon]] and [[Karl Agathon]], shown during the interruption and cutaway.		*The on-screen time code shows [[Lee Adama]] landing on Galactica at 0902. [[Kara_Thrace\|Starbuck]] rescues him from the flight deck and, after an interruption and cutaway, they regroup in a secure area, with the time once again listed as 0902. [[Ronald D. Moore]] explains in the [[Podcast:The_Oath#Teaser\|DVD commentary]] that timestamps were used to convey a faster pace to events. The identical timestamps may have been intended to convey that the two segments, despite the interruption and cutaway, were part of the same scene, and that the events of that scene were occurring at exactly the same time as the arrest of [[Sharon_Agathon\|Sharon]] and {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}}, shown during the interruption and cutaway.

	== Analysis ==		== Analysis ==
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	*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.		*Lee Adama's sharp comments to Tigh shows the hard line toward the Cylons still held by the younger Adama, which has been displayed in earlier episodes such as "[[A Measure of Salvation]]" when he proposed a genocidal biological attack on the Cylons. Despite this Lee tempers his feelings with his pragmatic attitude to the Cylon alliance alongside his loyalty to Roslin and his father, noting that it is all they have left to survive. However, despite this, he expresses gratitude and no hostility to Galen Tyrol when he gives Lee and Roslin the news of the Admiral being transported to the brig and offers to get the Admiral off the ship.
	*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica-Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica-Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.		*Baltar attempts to blackmail Gaeta into abandoning the mutiny by reminding him of his knowledge of Gaeta's complicity in the deaths of Resistance members on [[New Caprica]]. Ironically in a broad manner, they were victims of similar circumstances. Both were victims of duplicitous Cylon females who using sexual affection were able to get them to pass them sensitive secret information and use it against humanity. In the case of Baltar, he gave [[Caprica-Six]] the back door codes to the Colonial defense systems allowing the Cylons to shut it down, resulting in the deaths of billions of people. In the case of Gaeta, he gave the names of Resistance members to an [[Eight]] he was having an affair with and who he believed was aiding the humans. In reality, she was responsible for the deaths of many of those on the list he gave her to help. The two main differences between the two situations are that Baltar didn't know Caprica-Six was a Cylon while Gaeta did and Baltar's mistake resulted in billions dying instead of the relative few in Gaeta's case.
	*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the [[Karl Agathon]]-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.		*No one referenced Felix Gaeta's being complicit in the {{callsign\|Karl Agathon}}-led mutiny on the ''[[Demetrius]]'', the ship Admiral Adama gave Kara Thrace to command to find an alternative route to Earth. Everyone seemed surprised that Gaeta would mutiny and lead a rebellion against the Admiral. President Roslin said to Baltar "who would have thought" that it would be Gaeta? This would seem to indicate that certainly Roslin and Baltar, and very likely Adama, Tigh and others who weren't aboard the ''Demetrius'', do not know of the incident. It would also indicate that the crew of the ''Demetrius'' - including those who opposed Agathon and Gaeta, like Kara Thrace and Samuel Anders - thought it was in their self-interest to keep the incident to themselves.
	*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.		*It has been argued that Gaeta had also committed mutiny before when aiding Roslin's escape from ''Galactica'' when it was commanded by Colonel Tigh during "[[Resistance]]". However, since the Colonial government seems to be much like the real world US government and other democracies it is highly likely that the actions of then Commander Adama in seizing control of the civilian government was the mutinous act and Gaeta and Lee Adama acted in ''defiance'' of a mutiny, which is actually the lawful thing to do.
	*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.		*"Semper Fidelis" is the motto of the United States Marine Corps. It is a Latin phrase meaning "always faithful." Kara Thrace's disgusted paraphrase of it after she had witnessed marines breaking faith with Adama suggests that the Colonial Marine Corps may have adopted the same motto.