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Talos: /* B&C Vipers */

2012-11-09T21:06:56Z

B&C Vipers

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	:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)		:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)
	: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)		: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)
			:: That works. Thanks, Joe. I had been frantically googling for interviews or whatnot that called them that, even before I posted the note in the Mk II page in the first place. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:06, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* B&C Vipers */

2012-11-09T21:04:26Z

B&C Vipers

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	FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)		FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)
	:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)		:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)
			: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Talos: /* B&C Vipers */

2012-11-09T21:01:36Z

B&C Vipers

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	FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)		FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)
			:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* B&C Vipers */ new section

2012-11-09T20:23:12Z

B&C Vipers: new section

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	:As for what the actors do during manoeuvres, it's probably from the "waggle the controls and try to look cool" school for acting, I wouldn't read too much into what you see them doing and how it relates to how the spacecraft moves. After all, having forward thrust on a pedal and reverse thrust on the stick makes no sense, an aircraft designed like that would be totally counter-intuitive to fly.		:As for what the actors do during manoeuvres, it's probably from the "waggle the controls and try to look cool" school for acting, I wouldn't read too much into what you see them doing and how it relates to how the spacecraft moves. After all, having forward thrust on a pedal and reverse thrust on the stick makes no sense, an aircraft designed like that would be totally counter-intuitive to fly.
	--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:43, 6 February 2007 (CST)		--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:43, 6 February 2007 (CST)

			== B&C Vipers ==

			FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)

Darkensee: note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

2009-03-30T03:26:19Z

note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

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	:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)		:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)

	side note: the engines seen in the hangar bay are Rolls Royce Allison 250's (with some other bits welded on) which is a helicopter engine (power turbine). Also, the last picture in the gallery of the instrument panel has a torque indicator from a Bell 206. Seems like the set decorators and builders got their hands on an old Jet Ranger! (If that is of ANY interest to ANYONE), but I thought I'd mentino it.--[[User:Darkensee\|Darkensee]] 03:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		side note: the engines seen in the hangar bay are Rolls Royce Allison 250's (with some other bits welded on) which is a helicopter engine (power turbine). Also, the last picture in the gallery of the instrument panel has a torque indicator from a Bell 206. Seems like the set decorators and builders got their hands on an old Jet Ranger! (If that is of ANY interest to ANYONE), but I thought I'd mentino it.--[[User:Darkensee\|Darkensee]] 03:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==		== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==

Darkensee: note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

2009-03-30T03:24:44Z

note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

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	:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)		:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)

	side note: the engines seen in the hangar bay are Rolls Royce Allison 250's (with some other bits welded on) which is a helicopter engine (power turbine). Also, the last picture in the gallery of the instrument panel has a torque indicator from a Bell 206. Seems like the set decorators and builders got their hands on an old Jet Ranger! (If that is of ANY interest to ANYONE), but I thought I'd mentino it.--[[User:Darkensee\|Darkensee]] 01:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		side note: the engines seen in the hangar bay are Rolls Royce Allison 250's (with some other bits welded on) which is a helicopter engine (power turbine). Also, the last picture in the gallery of the instrument panel has a torque indicator from a Bell 206. Seems like the set decorators and builders got their hands on an old Jet Ranger! (If that is of ANY interest to ANYONE), but I thought I'd mentino it.--[[User:Darkensee\|Darkensee]] 03:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==		== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==

Darkensee: note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

2009-03-30T01:25:42Z

note on engines and instruments of vipers seen in background.

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	:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)		:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)

			side note: the engines seen in the hangar bay are Rolls Royce Allison 250's (with some other bits welded on) which is a helicopter engine (power turbine). Also, the last picture in the gallery of the instrument panel has a torque indicator from a Bell 206. Seems like the set decorators and builders got their hands on an old Jet Ranger! (If that is of ANY interest to ANYONE), but I thought I'd mentino it.--[[User:Darkensee\|Darkensee]] 01:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==		== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==

Maserati1945: /* FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird */

2007-02-07T08:17:57Z

FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird

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	:Umm, I don't remember Apollo doing, that. I'll go watch it again. Boomer is flying a [[Raptor]] which does have FTL. There has been no mention or showing that Vipers carry FTLs. Doubtless Apollo would be searching for ships like Boomer was if his did. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 19:41, 12 November 2006 (CST)		:Umm, I don't remember Apollo doing, that. I'll go watch it again. Boomer is flying a [[Raptor]] which does have FTL. There has been no mention or showing that Vipers carry FTLs. Doubtless Apollo would be searching for ships like Boomer was if his did. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 19:41, 12 November 2006 (CST)
	::Okay, went and watched it. He said he used the hyperdrive to manipulate it. If it was the Viper's FTL, it sticks out among the consistant non-FTL Vipers we've seen many times in the show. There are times when a short range FTL would've been used if it existed: the fighters running to Galactica in [[Act of Contrition]], Apollo's strike team in [[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]], etc. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 19:54, 12 November 2006 (CST)		::Okay, went and watched it. He said he used the hyperdrive to manipulate it. If it was the Viper's FTL, it sticks out among the consistant non-FTL Vipers we've seen many times in the show. There are times when a short range FTL would've been used if it existed: the fighters running to Galactica in [[Act of Contrition]], Apollo's strike team in [[The Hand of God (RDM)\|The Hand of God]], etc. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 19:54, 12 November 2006 (CST)
			:::He used the hyperdrive of Colonial One to manipulate the coils from Galactica in the cargo bay. At no time does he mention his Viper. --[[User:Maserati1945\|Maserati1945]] 01:16, 07 February 2007 (CST)

	== Steering a viper ==		== Steering a viper ==

PassiveSmoking: /* Powerplant */

2007-02-06T23:49:20Z

Powerplant

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	::No shit, eh? ;) Still one of the joys of being a sci-fi fan is to speculate on the tech. I gotta wonder though are those fans on the sides inside the engine nacelles intake fans? That would make it a jet. :D [[User:Panther\|Panther]] 03:35, 18 August 2006 (CDT)		::No shit, eh? ;) Still one of the joys of being a sci-fi fan is to speculate on the tech. I gotta wonder though are those fans on the sides inside the engine nacelles intake fans? That would make it a jet. :D [[User:Panther\|Panther]] 03:35, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
	:::I agree with you completely, Panther. My joy is to make articles such as [[Computers]] to glean what we do know. The intakes, as we should properly guess, is a holdback from the original TOS Viper design. It just looks like a jet fighter. I do believe your idea of getting oxidizers whenever possible helps, although we know as well that it's more likely to maintain status quo on the excessive fuel use inside an atmosphere. In space, they may or may not need a real oxidizer, but then, that's the magic of [[tylium]]. We don't know WHAT the hell it really needs. :) --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)		:::I agree with you completely, Panther. My joy is to make articles such as [[Computers]] to glean what we do know. The intakes, as we should properly guess, is a holdback from the original TOS Viper design. It just looks like a jet fighter. I do believe your idea of getting oxidizers whenever possible helps, although we know as well that it's more likely to maintain status quo on the excessive fuel use inside an atmosphere. In space, they may or may not need a real oxidizer, but then, that's the magic of [[tylium]]. We don't know WHAT the hell it really needs. :) --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
	:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...		:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)
	--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)

	== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==		== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==

PassiveSmoking: /* Powerplant */

2007-02-06T23:48:13Z

Powerplant

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	::No shit, eh? ;) Still one of the joys of being a sci-fi fan is to speculate on the tech. I gotta wonder though are those fans on the sides inside the engine nacelles intake fans? That would make it a jet. :D [[User:Panther\|Panther]] 03:35, 18 August 2006 (CDT)		::No shit, eh? ;) Still one of the joys of being a sci-fi fan is to speculate on the tech. I gotta wonder though are those fans on the sides inside the engine nacelles intake fans? That would make it a jet. :D [[User:Panther\|Panther]] 03:35, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
	:::I agree with you completely, Panther. My joy is to make articles such as [[Computers]] to glean what we do know. The intakes, as we should properly guess, is a holdback from the original TOS Viper design. It just looks like a jet fighter. I do believe your idea of getting oxidizers whenever possible helps, although we know as well that it's more likely to maintain status quo on the excessive fuel use inside an atmosphere. In space, they may or may not need a real oxidizer, but then, that's the magic of [[tylium]]. We don't know WHAT the hell it really needs. :) --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)		:::I agree with you completely, Panther. My joy is to make articles such as [[Computers]] to glean what we do know. The intakes, as we should properly guess, is a holdback from the original TOS Viper design. It just looks like a jet fighter. I do believe your idea of getting oxidizers whenever possible helps, although we know as well that it's more likely to maintain status quo on the excessive fuel use inside an atmosphere. In space, they may or may not need a real oxidizer, but then, that's the magic of [[tylium]]. We don't know WHAT the hell it really needs. :) --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:43, 18 August 2006 (CDT)
			:During the miniseries Tyrol says something along the lines of "The reactors are still hot, all we have to do is pull the rad buffers and fuel them". So maybe it's not a chemical reaction that provides thrust but a nuclear-driven one, or an electrical one powered by a nuclear reactor. Possibilities are raw fuel being pumped through a hot reactor, the heat causing the fuel to expand, thus creating thrust. Another possibility is ion-propulsion, where atoms of fuel are ionized by a strong electrical field and accelerated out of the spacecraft by a strong magnetic field. Of course tylium is described as being highly explosive, and neither heating or ionizing would require an explosive fuel, so...
			--[[User:PassiveSmoking\|PassiveSmoking]] 17:48, 6 February 2007 (CST)

	== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==		== FTL in Vipers / the Blackbird ==

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	:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)		:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)
	: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)		: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)
			:: That works. Thanks, Joe. I had been frantically googling for interviews or whatnot that called them that, even before I posted the note in the Mk II page in the first place. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:06, 9 November 2012 (EST)

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	FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)		FYI, the Vipers in Blood and Chrome are actually Mk. IIIs, not Mark IIs. (You do see the occasional Mark II in there.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:23, 9 November 2012 (EST)
	:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)		:Where is that information coming from? We see normal RDM Mk II's fighting in the last day of the war and every Mk II detail is there on these Vipers from the rescue handle to the divets halfway along the leading edge of the wing, just different from what we saw before. Unless they've been called Mk IIIs elsewhere, all they seem to be is a retconned redesign, which is why I stuck that information in a notes section. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 16:01, 9 November 2012 (EST)
			: From the script, and I've spoken to some of the folks who made the show (I've already seen the entire thing). Both Mark IIs and Mark IIIs were in service, as there were multiple types of ships in the war. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:04, 9 November 2012 (EST)