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	::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
	::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			::::They did call them Vipers within the episode. Zoe-A says something like, "I've never flown a Viper before!" -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 13:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	--[[User:RedWolf\|RedWolf]] 03:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		--[[User:RedWolf\|RedWolf]] 03:46, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

			: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 18:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)		I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 18:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
	: I concur with your view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)		: I concur with your view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)


			I don't think that the Viper in "The Imperfections of Memory" can be classified as the Mark I because of two appearances of other Vipers. The TOS Viper which is present in Galactica's starboard museum is presently considered the Viper Mark I. In "There is Another Sky" there is even an earlier version of the Viper. Presuming both "There is Another Sky" and "The Imperfections of Memory" Vipers have real world equivalents.

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	== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==		== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==

	I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors. ~~{{unsigned~~\|Liquidcross}}		I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 18:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
	: I concur with your view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)		: I concur with your view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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	==Mk. VII Vipers FTL Capable?==		==Mk. VII Vipers FTL Capable?==
	Before I say anything, I'd like to point out that I'm speculating all of this. I have heard nowhere else that the Mk. VII's have FTL drives.		Before I say anything, I'd like to point out that I'm speculating all of this. I have heard nowhere else that the Mk. VII's have FTL drives.

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	== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==		== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==

	I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors.		I think we can safely assume the fighter jets depicted in "[[Imperfections of Memory]]" are indeed Mark I Vipers, as the ones developed for the Cylon War (which begins six years later) are clearly designated Mark IIs. Often, the first version of a vehicle doesn't have "Mark I" on it, just as a film is rarely titled "Something 1." (The first ''Star Wars'' prequel being an obvious exception.) Also, just because these Vipers don't ''seem'' capable of spaceflight, that doesn't meant that they're ''not''. Zoe-A and Philo-A may have been wearing atmospheric flight suits, but that was just the simulation they were in. Anyway, I think we can safely edit the page to place ''Caprica'''s Vipers up top, before their Mark II and Mark VII successors. {{unsigned\|Liquidcross}}
			: I concur with your view. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:57, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

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	::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
	::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			::::They did call them Vipers within the episode. Zoe-A says something like, "I've never flown a Viper before!" -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 13:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		: Actually, the 1978 Viper appearing in the Galactica museum was just a nod. Like the ''Enterprise'' in the background in the Fleet during the Mini. Just because Mark I doesn't look much like Mark II doesn't really mean much, either. They could have drastically changed the design later on, but called it a Mark II. So it's a Viper. As to what Mark #, I think we should really just not give it a number until we have definitive proof. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 04:06, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)		::Plus, the aircraft in New Cap City were never called "Vipers." They may have a completely different name, just like other real world aircraft. -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 12:55, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
			::: Right. My understanding is that the craft flown by Zoe-A/R and Philo in the V-world were Vipers. (I will be watching the episode later just to make sure, but they were distinctly called "Vipers" in the preview clip that was released days before.) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 13:41, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

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	:I'm inclined to agree, as the 2 Vipers and a Raptor thing had occured to me before, always while I wasn't around to add it here. It'd be '''very''' hard to explain otherwise. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:10, 7 January 2006 (EST)		:I'm inclined to agree, as the 2 Vipers and a Raptor thing had occured to me before, always while I wasn't around to add it here. It'd be '''very''' hard to explain otherwise. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 22:10, 7 January 2006 (EST)

	::This would also make it easier to believe that the three Mk. VII vipers seen in Roslin's fleet were later integrated into Galactica's squadron. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:21, 7 January 2006 (EST)		::This would also make it easier to believe that the three Mk. VII vipers seen in Roslin's fleet were later integrated into Galactica's squadron. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:21, 7 January 2006 (EST)
	:::You would think that if the Mk. VII was FTL-capable, they would've used them in the attack on the Tyllium asteroid. You know, jump behind the raider screen to attack the asteroid. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 08:25, 8 January 2006 (EST)		:::You would think that if the Mk. VII was FTL-capable, they would've used them in the attack on the Tyllium asteroid. You know, jump behind the raider screen to attack the asteroid. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 08:25, 8 January 2006 (EST)
	::::Yes, but Mk. VII's are "a handful for all but the most experienced of pilots." Starbuck was out for this mission, and the only other person we've seen fly a Mk. VII is Apollo - that is, until we see Pegasus, in which the entire compliment of pilots flies Mk. VII's. Again, another continuity error... so much for naturalistic science fiction. --[[User:BMS\|BMS]] 20:42, 22 January 2006 (EST)		::::Yes, but Mk. VII's are "a handful for all but the most experienced of pilots." Starbuck was out for this mission, and the only other person we've seen fly a Mk. VII is Apollo - that is, until we see Pegasus, in which the entire compliment of pilots flies Mk. VII's. Again, another continuity error... so much for naturalistic science fiction. --[[User:BMS\|BMS]] 20:42, 22 January 2006 (EST)

	:::::Well, they needed the nuggets to round out the squadron, and they were only certified for the Mk. IIs. Maybe the more experienced pilots also chose Mk. IIs to maintain tactical cohesion. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:31, 22 January 2006 (EST)		:::::Well, they needed the nuggets to round out the squadron, and they were only certified for the Mk. IIs. Maybe the more experienced pilots also chose Mk. IIs to maintain tactical cohesion. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:31, 22 January 2006 (EST)

	I'm sorry that I didn't see this page before January 7th-ish. However, '''I think this entire line of reasoning is flawed''', and it's just jumping to conclusions here. The three main points you have here are that:		I'm sorry that I didn't see this page before January 7th-ish. However, '''I think this entire line of reasoning is flawed''', and it's just jumping to conclusions here. The three main points you have here are that:
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	:I am completely reverting your edit. Yes, Scifi.com has been known to make mistakes, but nonetheless '''we regard it as canon until flatly contradicted by something else'''. Much of our Viper pilot numbers for the first season are based on the running count on the Vipers "CAG roster" section of the gallery. Further, it makes sense. Lastly, when you are talking on a discussion page, sign your name instead of leaving it blank, and date it. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]], October 14, 2005		:I am completely reverting your edit. Yes, Scifi.com has been known to make mistakes, but nonetheless '''we regard it as canon until flatly contradicted by something else'''. Much of our Viper pilot numbers for the first season are based on the running count on the Vipers "CAG roster" section of the gallery. Further, it makes sense. Lastly, when you are talking on a discussion page, sign your name instead of leaving it blank, and date it. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]], October 14, 2005

	::I'm sure Ricimer meant to say "please". You can use <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> to leave behind a signature automatically. Also, that fact that the nuggets were started out in Mk. IIs lends support to the idea that they're somewhat easier to fly. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:28, 15 October 2005 (EDT)		::I'm sure Ricimer meant to say "please". You can use <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> to leave behind a signature automatically. Also, that fact that the nuggets were started out in Mk. IIs lends support to the idea that they're somewhat easier to fly. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:28, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

	:::Thanks Peter. No, I completely disagree with Ricimer that gutting the Mk VII's computers makes any sense. The problem has clearly been one of an exploitable software, which can be purged and the computer reverted to an earlier, safe program. So why would they take out all the advance computers? It's overkill to an unreasonable extent. At worst, they can disconnect the navigation computer from certain other systems, and that would not affect the ship's handling characteristics at all, even assuming the flight control falls under the navigational computer. And I'm pretty sure they're training pilots on the Mk IIs not only because they're simpler to fly (they're like Cessnas to Mk VII's F-16, Apollo has complained about their lack of electronics before in the miniseries), but also because they're more expendable (and possibly more rugged). We know that the Mk VIIs are certified for combat, and they're undoubtedly superior to the Mk II (even in the event that they have been lobotemized), so why would they have trainees fly the most complex, least replacible fighters when they don't even know if they can land? I hope this sig thing works.... --[[User:David Templar\|David Templar]] 01:40, 15 October 2005 (EDT)		:::Thanks Peter. No, I completely disagree with Ricimer that gutting the Mk VII's computers makes any sense. The problem has clearly been one of an exploitable software, which can be purged and the computer reverted to an earlier, safe program. So why would they take out all the advance computers? It's overkill to an unreasonable extent. At worst, they can disconnect the navigation computer from certain other systems, and that would not affect the ship's handling characteristics at all, even assuming the flight control falls under the navigational computer. And I'm pretty sure they're training pilots on the Mk IIs not only because they're simpler to fly (they're like Cessnas to Mk VII's F-16, Apollo has complained about their lack of electronics before in the miniseries), but also because they're more expendable (and possibly more rugged). We know that the Mk VIIs are certified for combat, and they're undoubtedly superior to the Mk II (even in the event that they have been lobotemized), so why would they have trainees fly the most complex, least replacible fighters when they don't even know if they can land? I hope this sig thing works.... --[[User:David Templar\|David Templar]] 01:40, 15 October 2005 (EDT)
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	Although I can't bring myself to read that impressive missive through entirely, I would just like to note that Baltar's CNP was clearly a new development, and very probably postdated the Mk. VII anyway. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:09, 15 October 2005 (EDT)		Although I can't bring myself to read that impressive missive through entirely, I would just like to note that Baltar's CNP was clearly a new development, and very probably postdated the Mk. VII anyway. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:09, 15 October 2005 (EDT)

	I just had a tidbit to add, the Mk VII has a side stick while the Mk II has a center-mounted stick. IRL most FBW aircraft use side-mounted sticks, joysticks mounted on a side panel instead of between the pilots' legs, while most pre-FBW craft used center-mounted sticks. The F-16 is an example of the former and the F-14, the latter. ...Just something I noticed while watching 33 recently. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 23:58, 12 December 2005 (EST)		I just had a tidbit to add, the Mk VII has a side stick while the Mk II has a center-mounted stick. IRL most FBW aircraft use side-mounted sticks, joysticks mounted on a side panel instead of between the pilots' legs, while most pre-FBW craft used center-mounted sticks. The F-16 is an example of the former and the F-14, the latter. ...Just something I noticed while watching 33 recently. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 23:58, 12 December 2005 (EST)
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	:Excellent. I encourage you to add this information to the appropriate pages with the source and Mr. Stringer's credentials. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:48, 3 November 2005 (EST)		:Excellent. I encourage you to add this information to the appropriate pages with the source and Mr. Stringer's credentials. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:48, 3 November 2005 (EST)

	::Done!		::Done!
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	::--[[User:ThRow\|ThRow]] 23:25, 3 November 2005 (EST)		::--[[User:ThRow\|ThRow]] 23:25, 3 November 2005 (EST)

	:::I rejigged your citation to use the footnote templates we have available. If you'd like to familiarize yourself with their use, please see [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]] for references. Thanks for helping to make this site a more reliable resource. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:28, 4 November 2005 (EST)		:::I rejigged your citation to use the footnote templates we have available. If you'd like to familiarize yourself with their use, please see [[Battlestar Wiki:Citation Jihad]] for references. Thanks for helping to make this site a more reliable resource. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:28, 4 November 2005 (EST)


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	Well in [[Flight of the Pheonix]], Chief Tyrol does say the registry for Viper 54289. It's the Viper that Tyrol labels as unserviceable scrap. I wasn't sure if any one wanted this info so i just posted it under Viper Talk. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 25, 2005		Well in [[Flight of the Pheonix]], Chief Tyrol does say the registry for Viper 54289. It's the Viper that Tyrol labels as unserviceable scrap. I wasn't sure if any one wanted this info so i just posted it under Viper Talk. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 25, 2005
	:I listened to the audio on the DVD and he clearly says "Viper 289." The subtitles have to be a mistake, we've only seen three digit and four digit numbers on Vipers. You can see my theory on Viper serial numbers on the [[Viper 2276]] talk page. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 10:39, 25 December 2005 (EST)		:I listened to the audio on the DVD and he clearly says "Viper 289." The subtitles have to be a mistake, we've only seen three digit and four digit numbers on Vipers. You can see my theory on Viper serial numbers on the [[Viper 2276]] talk page. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 10:39, 25 December 2005 (EST)
	::We do have an article on [[Viper 289]] as of recently. The comment disparaging the notion of keeping track of Vipers was probably mine, but I've changed my mind about that. It may also be possible to find other Viper serial numbers on DRADIS screens. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 13:24, 25 December 2005 (EST)		::We do have an article on [[Viper 289]] as of recently. The comment disparaging the notion of keeping track of Vipers was probably mine, but I've changed my mind about that. It may also be possible to find other Viper serial numbers on DRADIS screens. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 13:24, 25 December 2005 (EST)


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	::Agree. Maybe this page could be a short general intro page with links to the specific model pages. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 13:40, 24 May 2006 (CDT)		::Agree. Maybe this page could be a short general intro page with links to the specific model pages. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 13:40, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
	:::I agree with Talos' decision. Let's have Viper (RDM) be a general guide to the new Vipers, then have Viper Mk. II and Viper Mv. VII cover the specifics. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:25, 24 May 2006 (CDT)		:::I agree with Talos' decision. Let's have Viper (RDM) be a general guide to the new Vipers, then have Viper Mk. II and Viper Mv. VII cover the specifics. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:25, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
	:::I also agree with Talos. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:46, 24 May 2006 (CDT)		:::I also agree with Talos. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:46, 24 May 2006 (CDT)

	::::Okay, might need a split and Mk II and MK VII are good lines to cut along, but it'll be tricky...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 21:04, 24 May 2006 (CDT)		::::Okay, might need a split and Mk II and MK VII are good lines to cut along, but it'll be tricky...--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian\|E]])</sup> 21:04, 24 May 2006 (CDT)
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	where are models MK1 ,3 ,4 ,5 ,6? {{unsigned\|Cold85}}		where are models MK1 ,3 ,4 ,5 ,6? {{unsigned\|Cold85}}
	: Those models have not been revealed, and therefore have no entries here. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)		: Those models have not been revealed, and therefore have no entries here. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 23:26, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
	::There is what looks like a Mk. I Viper on display in the [[Galactica Museum]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)		::There is what looks like a Mk. I Viper on display in the [[Galactica Museum]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:14, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

	== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==		== Caprica's "Mark I" Vipers ==