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	== Miniseries appearance? ==		== Miniseries appearance? ==
	[[~~Image~~:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]		[[File:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]
	I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker\|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)		I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker\|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)		:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.		:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
	Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)		Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	[[~~Image~~:MysteryShip.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]		[[File:MysteryShip.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]
	I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)		I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)		:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)

VARGR: /* Blood and Chrome */

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	:Not beyond all doubt, but given the model used in that scene is the exact same one seen elsewhere and of the ~3 you see there one is far more prominent than the others [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:24, 19 November 2012 (EST)		:Not beyond all doubt, but given the model used in that scene is the exact same one seen elsewhere and of the ~3 you see there one is far more prominent than the others [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:24, 19 November 2012 (EST)

			The Valkyrie type seen in Blood and Chrome actually is the Valkyrie itself. Adama and his copilot clearly identify it as such in the dialog. Given by how impressed they are by the Valkyrie it probably was a very modern ship at the time. [[User:VARGR\|VARGR]] 11:46, 21 November 2012 (EST)

YIIMM: /* Blood and Chrome */

2012-11-19T08:24:48Z

Blood and Chrome

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	Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name? -- [[User:frylock86\|Frylock86]]		Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name? -- [[User:frylock86\|Frylock86]]

			:Not beyond all doubt, but given the model used in that scene is the exact same one seen elsewhere and of the ~3 you see there one is far more prominent than the others [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:24, 19 November 2012 (EST)

Frylock86: /* Surrviving Battlestars */

2012-11-19T04:26:53Z

Surrviving Battlestars

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	I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.		I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.

	The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon, etc - all destroyed. No other Colonial Military units answered Adama's call to regroup at ~~Ragner~~. It's certain no others survived.		The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon, etc - all destroyed. No other Colonial Military units answered Adama's call to regroup at Ragnar. It's certain no others survived.

	If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.		If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

Frylock86: /* Surrviving Battlestars */

2012-11-19T04:26:36Z

Surrviving Battlestars

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	I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.		I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.

	The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon - all destroyed. It's certain no others survived.		The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon, etc - all destroyed. No other Colonial Military units answered Adama's call to regroup at Ragner. It's certain no others survived.

	If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.		If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

Frylock86: /* Blood and Chrome */

2012-11-19T04:24:23Z

Blood and Chrome

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	=== Blood and Chrome ===		=== Blood and Chrome ===

	Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name?		Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name? -- [[User:frylock86\|Frylock86]]

Frylock86: /* Surrviving Battlestars */

2012-11-19T04:24:00Z

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	If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.		If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

			-- [[user:frylock86\|Frylock86]]

	==Notes on my edit==		==Notes on my edit==

Frylock86: /* Surrviving Battlestars */

2012-11-19T04:23:38Z

Surrviving Battlestars

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	: Well, for one, "[[Downloaded]]" made it clear that the Cylon's attack was an overwhelming success. Further, RDM's made some comments in the past to that effect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)		: Well, for one, "[[Downloaded]]" made it clear that the Cylon's attack was an overwhelming success. Further, RDM's made some comments in the past to that effect. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

	Did RDM specifically say that there are definately NO other surrviving battlestars? Is it absolutely certain? I'm one of those people who still believes theres a possibility that another one may yet be found.[[User:Grandmaester314\|Grandmaester314]] 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)		Did RDM specifically say that there are definately NO other surrviving battlestars? Is it absolutely certain? I'm one of those people who still believes theres a possibility that another one may yet be found.[[User:Grandmaester314\|Grandmaester314]] 13:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)



			RE: Surviving Battlestars.

			I know it's a fan favorite. Much BSG fan fic is based off off this Battlestar surviving, and that Battlestar surviving, but the truth is, even if there was another surviving ship, it wouldn't have access to the resources needed for long term survival. Hell, it's a miracle the ''Galactica'' and her fleet even survived, and after four years in space, they were on the brink of death. If it wasn't for the rebel Cylons, they would have died out (ignoring the "higher power" backstory). ''Galactica'' had the benefit of non-networked systems, a fleet to support her, and a (albeit finite) population to replenish her source of Viper jocks.

			The Cylons achieved complete surprise over Colonial forces, and were able to sweep aside nearly 120 Battlestars and support ships in only a few minutes after attacking. The Battlestars over Caprica, docked at the fleet shipyards, huddled over Virgon - all destroyed. It's certain no others survived.

			If any others did survive, attrition, and hunger would have done them in.

	==Notes on my edit==		==Notes on my edit==

Frylock86 at 04:11, 19 November 2012

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	r. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.		r. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.

			=== Blood and Chrome ===

			Curious to see the Valkyrie type in Blood and Chrome. Is there proof either way to discern what ship carries ''Valkyrie'''s name?

Newman: /* New Pic */

2010-12-15T17:17:13Z

New Pic

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	It's ''Valkyrie'' herself. [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)		It's ''Valkyrie'' herself. [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

	*Here is a view of the ship from the underside, taken from "the Plan". Notice the Vipers that are close to the ship, and notice the launch tubes. They are viper shaped, and the vipers close to them seem to be just the right size to fit in. This picture should be enough to disprove the theory that the tubes are large and meant for some mystery craft never shown or mentioned in the show. The tubes are clearly for vipers. I sincerely hope people will now stop claiming this ship is extremely large, the size I gave before is correct (under 700m, about the size of the Galactica flight pod). ~~I actually know this for a fact but am not at liberty to divulge actual evidence. However, these~~ shots from "the Plan" should be enough proof for everyone. Not every ship needs to be miles long to be cool or useful. Apparently this type of ship is smaller but numerous, probably a mainstay of the fleet with larger ships like the Pegasus being more rare and taking the role of task force leaders. This is also supported by the fact that the Pegasus was commanded by a rear admiral, not a regular commander. Valkyrie's CO, Adama, held the rank of Commander at the time. I'm not going to edit the article with the correct size because it'll probably just get edited back by someone who insists the ship is longer based on counting pixels on a perspective screen cap that proves nothing. However I think the long discussion on the main page about the ship's size should be shortened. Her true size should be mentioned first, and other size estimation and the ways people got to them could follow after that. But she really is small, people - get over it.		*Here is a view of the ship from the underside, taken from "the Plan". Notice the Vipers that are close to the ship, and notice the launch tubes. They are viper shaped, and the vipers close to them seem to be just the right size to fit in. This picture should be enough to disprove the theory that the tubes are large and meant for some mystery craft never shown or mentioned in the show. The tubes are clearly for vipers. I sincerely hope people will now stop claiming this ship is extremely large, the size I gave before is correct (under 700m, about the size of the Galactica flight pod). These shots from "the Plan" should be enough proof for everyone. Not every ship needs to be miles long to be cool or useful. Apparently this type of ship is smaller but numerous, probably a mainstay of the fleet with larger ships like the Pegasus being more rare and taking the role of task force leaders. This is also supported by the fact that the Pegasus was commanded by a rear admiral, not a regular commander. Valkyrie's CO, Adama, held the rank of Commander at the time. I'm not going to edit the article with the correct size because it'll probably just get edited back by someone who insists the ship is longer based on counting pixels on a perspective screen cap that proves nothing. However I think the long discussion on the main page about the ship's size should be shortened. Her true size should be mentioned first, and other size estimation and the ways people got to them could follow after that. But she really is small, people - get over it.

	http://i38.tinypic.com/71k1gk.jpg		http://i38.tinypic.com/71k1gk.jpg

	~~Here are her exact specs:~~		r. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.

	~~Total length (including the forward antennas): 648m~~

	~~Total width (not including the turret barrels sticking out of the pod sides): 226m~~

	~~Total height: 68m~~

	~~Length of a single pod: 224m~~

	~~These numbers work for a small battlestar~~. A lot of people say these numbers are too small for a battlestar - consider that she is still twice the size of a Nimitz-class carrier that is able to carry 90 fighters which are all quite a bit larger than a viper. Her pod is almost the size of an Essex class carrier, and she has two of them. Sure she's no Pegasus, but still a capable light warship, a lot easier to mass produce and maintain.

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	== Miniseries appearance? ==		== Miniseries appearance? ==
	[[~~Image~~:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]		[[File:Miniseries Mystery Ship.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery ship? ([[Miniseries]])]]
	I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker\|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)		I was watching the miniseries the other day and early in I could swear that the Valkyrie or a battlestar of the same make shows up. It's the same shot through the Caprica City doctor's window that shows the Firefly and Olympic Carrier-type ship. Is it just me or does anyone else see it? [[User:Motherfraker\|Motherfraker]] 16:23, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)		:I just found a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aUZSKHhRXs clip on youtube] showing Serenity fly past and you can clearly see the mystery ship. Its certainly very large and looks like it may have 6 engines but I dont think its a battlestar. The middle section isnt big enough and the nose section is too pointy. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 17:01, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.		:I've noticed this ship before, and always presumed it was a [[Memoryalpha:Hirogen Warship]](not in BSG canon, obviously) from Star Trek. There are several instances of CG starship models from Star Trek appearing in Firefly as background ships, and as we know Serenity herself is seen in this scene, so it's possible that this vessel was put in as an "extra" to fill up space on the screen. I don't see any resemblance to the Valkyrie, but I could believe that this was a Colonial military craft of some sort.
	Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)		Here's a picture of the Hirogen ship for reference: www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/hirogen-venatic-cgi.jpg --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 18:57, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	[[~~Image~~:MysteryShip.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]		[[File:MysteryShip.jpg\|thumb\|left\|Mystery Ship ([[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]])]]
	I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)		I'm pretty sure that's not the Valkyrie, I think it's just a background ship because it appeared again at the end of [[Lay Down Your Burdens, Part II]] during the fleet's emergency jump as seen in the screenshot provided here. -- [[User:Kahran\|Kahran]] 20:54, 22 November 2006 (CST)
	:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)		:Its a pretty cool looking ship though. It looks quote powerful, definitly fast with 5 engines. We have a page about most of the ships on the wiki, could we garner enough information about this to make a page. Its quite possible it has made appearances in other episodes too and could even have an official name as there are many ships in the "mentioned only" category. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 03:23, 23 November 2006 (CST)