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2007-08-27T15:51:33Z

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BklynBruzer: Making sure archives go in the right spot

2007-07-14T01:35:37Z

Making sure archives go in the right spot

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Serenity: No longer a spoiler. archive bot

2007-07-13T22:02:29Z

No longer a spoiler. archive bot

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	==Summary Split?==		==Summary Split?==
	We've taken to splitting the episode summaries between the Fleet and Baltar. Am I alone in thinking this isn't the best method? I'd prefer the summary going through the events of the episode chronologically. Especially now that the two storylines are beginning to converge. It was fine in Collaborators, where the two threads didn't effect each other. But now, someone reading the summary encounters a mention of the dead basestar at the end of the Galactica summary before getting to any of the details in the Cylon summary. -- [[User:Alpha5099\|Alpha5099]] 00:00, 8 November 2006 (CST)		We've taken to splitting the episode summaries between the Fleet and Baltar. Am I alone in thinking this isn't the best method? I'd prefer the summary going through the events of the episode chronologically. Especially now that the two storylines are beginning to converge. It was fine in Collaborators, where the two threads didn't effect each other. But now, someone reading the summary encounters a mention of the dead basestar at the end of the Galactica summary before getting to any of the details in the Cylon summary. -- [[User:Alpha5099\|Alpha5099]] 00:00, 8 November 2006 (CST)
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	== 5 models (spoilers) ==		== 5 models (spoilers) ==
	On the listed on Season 3 on the front page, one of the articles contained an interview with Moore. ~~{{spoiltext\|~~He mentioned that the other 5 models of Cylons is a secret. They are currently "boxed" and not in use, plus the 7 other cylon models do not know what the other 5 models look like.}}The reasons for this is unclear, but that is the info that Moore was willing to reveal during the interview. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:55, 8 November 2006 (CST)		On the listed on Season 3 on the front page, one of the articles contained an interview with Moore. He mentioned that the other 5 models of Cylons is a secret. They are currently "boxed" and not in use, plus the 7 other cylon models do not know what the other 5 models look like. The reasons for this is unclear, but that is the info that Moore was willing to reveal during the interview. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:55, 8 November 2006 (CST)
	:That's correct, but the answers to questions are generally supposed to be based on aired info. Until that information is shown on the air it's generally a spoiler (and is wrapped in spoiltext like I did above). That's actually something I wasn't aware of, so you just "spoiled" me. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 13:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)		:That's correct, but the answers to questions are generally supposed to be based on aired info. Until that information is shown on the air it's generally a spoiler (and is wrapped in spoiltext like I did above). That's actually something I wasn't aware of, so you just "spoiled" me. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 13:59, 8 November 2006 (CST)
	::Ooh, thanks for that, that confirms my theory on how both the Tricia/Grace/Dean spoilers and the Aaron/Tahmoh spoilers were both right at the same time. I'm glad it was this :) --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 23:05, 8 November 2006 (CST)		::Ooh, thanks for that, that confirms my theory on how both the Tricia/Grace/Dean spoilers and the Aaron/Tahmoh spoilers were both right at the same time. I'm glad it was this :) --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 23:05, 8 November 2006 (CST)

Catrope: Thirteenth Tribe --> Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)

2007-06-28T12:03:36Z

Thirteenth Tribe --> Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)

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	In the podcast for Torn RDM says:		In the podcast for Torn RDM says:

	"The baseship gets there and it, lo and behold, it finds a device. A floating beacon left behind by the [[Thirteenth Tribe]]. Those Cylons pull that beacon onto their ship and an infection spreads through the Cylon baseship. Just something that was physically on the beacon, some bacteria or something that survived. And it proved deadly to everybody on the Cylon baseship."		"The baseship gets there and it, lo and behold, it finds a device. A floating beacon left behind by the [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)\|Thirteenth Tribe]]. Those Cylons pull that beacon onto their ship and an infection spreads through the Cylon baseship. Just something that was physically on the beacon, some bacteria or something that survived. And it proved deadly to everybody on the Cylon baseship."

	That seems to answer the questions about its nature (biological) and about who left it. I didn't want to yank the question right away (nor resort to the forum Q&A format), but I thought those questions might best be moved down to analysis with this as the answer (with a podcast cite). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:38, 9 November 2006 (CST)		That seems to answer the questions about its nature (biological) and about who left it. I didn't want to yank the question right away (nor resort to the forum Q&A format), but I thought those questions might best be moved down to analysis with this as the answer (with a podcast cite). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 12:38, 9 November 2006 (CST)

Serenity: /* New Home */

2006-12-31T13:15:21Z

New Home

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	--[[User:Alcibiades\|Alcibiades]] 06:55, 31 December 2006 (CST)		--[[User:Alcibiades\|Alcibiades]] 06:55, 31 December 2006 (CST)

			:"must have been"? Not really. I don't see why it has to be compulsory instead of voluntary. They could just have decided to move to Earth entirely. Or more likely just move their "headquarters" first and the rest later --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:15, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Alcibiades: New Home

2006-12-31T12:55:04Z

New Home

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	:In addition, Baltar was in a [[flight suit]], which is air tight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:57, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:In addition, Baltar was in a [[flight suit]], which is air tight. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:57, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	::As you said they act of fear. They don't know what they are dealing with and speculate that it might be transmitted with downloading (someone even says "could"). But they take precautions and keep the Resurrection Ship out of range. That doesn't mean that we should think that it can in fact be transmitted that way. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:05, 10 November 2006 (CST)		::As you said they act of fear. They don't know what they are dealing with and speculate that it might be transmitted with downloading (someone even says "could"). But they take precautions and keep the Resurrection Ship out of range. That doesn't mean that we should think that it can in fact be transmitted that way. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:05, 10 November 2006 (CST)

			== New Home ==

			I have not found more than a passing remark on this comment by Model 3:
			"We have decided that earth is going to be our new home" or something along those lines.

			Has anyone else (especially those of us familiar with Frank Herbert's Dune series. And I am talking about the last of the series actually written by the original author. In this book the inhabitants of the original human settled part of the universe were invaded by their relatives from the Scattering.

			The point is that these very successful conquerors are actually fleeing from another predatory force.

			If the Cylons have decided that Earth would be their new home, they must have been forcefully evicted from their former home.

			I just thought this line of reasoning might contribute to our capacity to theorize.

			--[[User:Alcibiades\|Alcibiades]] 06:55, 31 December 2006 (CST)

Serenity: /* Origin of the virus */

2006-11-11T11:00:50Z

Origin of the virus

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	:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going. Plus, Baltar said the beacon was "human-made." If it's not from the Earthlings, who could have put it there? --[[User:Yaneh\|Yaneh]] 21:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)		::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going. Plus, Baltar said the beacon was "human-made." If it's not from the Earthlings, who could have put it there? --[[User:Yaneh\|Yaneh]] 21:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)
			:::::Still a gigantic leap in logic. One doesn't follow from the other. Now you're talking about a different kind of "no sense". Yeah, it's a huge coincidence and was done for dramatic effect. But you can't conclude any greater design from that, or that the beacon came from Earth. If I had to explain it away, I'd say that both jump plots favored this point for astrometric reasons. Sort of like a LaGrange point, where there are the least influences from gravity and the like.
			:::::Who made the beacon? Probably the 13th tribe, on their way to Earth. The Cylons think that too, since it makes the most sense. They went along that route, Pythia recorded the journey in what later became the Sacred Scrolls (or part of her records went there). Then some time later a group went back and build the planetarium on Kobol and somehow the Scrolls came into the posession of what later came to be the Colonials (that's a bit weird too, but maybe the returness followed the other tribes). --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 05:00, 11 November 2006 (CST)

	== 5 models (spoilers) ==		== 5 models (spoilers) ==

Yaneh: /* Origin of the virus */

2006-11-11T02:26:28Z

Origin of the virus

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	:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".		:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".
	:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going. --[[User:Yaneh\|Yaneh]] 21:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)		::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going. Plus, Baltar said the beacon was "human-made." If it's not from the Earthlings, who could have put it there? --[[User:Yaneh\|Yaneh]] 21:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)

	== 5 models (spoilers) ==		== 5 models (spoilers) ==

Yaneh: /* Origin of the virus */

2006-11-11T02:24:25Z

Origin of the virus

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	:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".		:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".
	:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)
	::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going.		::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going. --[[User:Yaneh\|Yaneh]] 21:24, 10 November 2006 (EST)

	== 5 models (spoilers) ==		== 5 models (spoilers) ==

Yaneh: /* Origin of the virus */

2006-11-11T02:23:25Z

Origin of the virus

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	:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".		:::Erm, no. You are misunderstanding the whole thing about the constellations. The Twelve Colonies don't lie in them or something. They are just random stars seen in apparent groups from Earth, but in reality they are far apart. There is no such thing as "at the constellations".
	:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)		:::Aside from that I don't really see the point in speculating that the beacon is somehow from Earth. That just creates far too many logic problems. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:27, 10 November 2006 (CST)
			::::I see what you are saying, and I thought that too. But then it doesn't make sense that on Baltar's advice, the basestar (that is now infected) jumped to a particular point to check out the Lion's Head, and just by pure coincidence the virus probe was floating right around that location. Moreover, when the humans decided to jump to check out the Lion's Head, they jumped right next to where the basestar had jumped. For some strange reason, both the humans and the Cylons picked the same point in 3 dimensions around the Lion's Head for their jump destination. I agree, it doesn't make sense. But that's how the show is going.

	== 5 models (spoilers) ==		== 5 models (spoilers) ==