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	:::My reading is that Adama serves on the tramp freighter from -37 BCH to some point prior to -23 BCH (per the dossier). He meets Tigh in -28 BCH (per "Torn", in which Adama calls Tigh "The man that I've known for the past thirty years"). He is recomissioned in -23 BCH, rank unknown. Tigh is recomissioned in -21 BCH (two years later, per the magazine), by which point Adama holds the rank of major (per the cut scene in "Scattered"). The dossier entry for -17 BCH indicates his transfer to Atlantia, not a promotion. His thousandth landing (on Atlantia, per "Act of Contrition") must take place shortly afterwards.		:::My reading is that Adama serves on the tramp freighter from -37 BCH to some point prior to -23 BCH (per the dossier). He meets Tigh in -28 BCH (per "Torn", in which Adama calls Tigh "The man that I've known for the past thirty years"). He is recomissioned in -23 BCH, rank unknown. Tigh is recomissioned in -21 BCH (two years later, per the magazine), by which point Adama holds the rank of major (per the cut scene in "Scattered"). The dossier entry for -17 BCH indicates his transfer to Atlantia, not a promotion. His thousandth landing (on Atlantia, per "Act of Contrition") must take place shortly afterwards.
	:::We can date Adama's marriage to Carolanne as follows: Zak dies in -2 BCH (Miniseries). He probably graduated from some kind of military academy, which would make his age at least 22 following the U.S. model. That puts his birth at roughly -24 BCH. From Adama's [[: Image:~~Primusphoto~~.jpg\|photo]] with his two sons, Lee looks about two years older, putting his birth in -26 BCH.		:::We can date Adama's marriage to Carolanne as follows: Zak dies in -2 BCH (Miniseries). He probably graduated from some kind of military academy, which would make his age at least 22 following the U.S. model. That puts his birth at roughly -24 BCH. From Adama's [[: Image:Youngadamafamily.jpg\|photo]] with his two sons, Lee looks about two years older, putting his birth in -26 BCH.
	:::So, I think everything makes perfect sense here. The flashbacks in "Scattered" span seven years from -28 BCH (Adama and Tigh's first meeting) to -21 BCH (Tigh's reinstatement). Adama's comment about meeting Tigh 30 years ago in Torn fits nicely. He probably married Carolanne in -26 BCH, at which point he would have quit his job on the freighter to start a family, and resumed military service three years later, when Zak was old enough to leave with one parent. The only date that has to be fudged is Moore's comment that the "Scattered" flashbacks take place 20 years ago, and this is both the most vague and least reliable piece of information that we have to consider. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:55, 25 October 2007 (CDT)		:::So, I think everything makes perfect sense here. The flashbacks in "Scattered" span seven years from -28 BCH (Adama and Tigh's first meeting) to -21 BCH (Tigh's reinstatement). Adama's comment about meeting Tigh 30 years ago in Torn fits nicely. He probably married Carolanne in -26 BCH, at which point he would have quit his job on the freighter to start a family, and resumed military service three years later, when Zak was old enough to leave with one parent. The only date that has to be fudged is Moore's comment that the "Scattered" flashbacks take place 20 years ago, and this is both the most vague and least reliable piece of information that we have to consider. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:55, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
	::::That sounds good :) I agree that we shouldn't necessarily take behind-the-scenes info over on-screen evidence. Though it can be made fit either way.		::::That sounds good :) I agree that we shouldn't necessarily take behind-the-scenes info over on-screen evidence. Though it can be made fit either way.

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	:Hmm. It's obviously not '''exactly''' like the real world. I think things where we don't know exactly what happened don't need mentioning. However likely something like "this settlement died out" may be, it's still speculative. There's no pressing need to fill in the part of the timeline between the penultimate and final scenes of Daybreak. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)		:Hmm. It's obviously not '''exactly''' like the real world. I think things where we don't know exactly what happened don't need mentioning. However likely something like "this settlement died out" may be, it's still speculative. There's no pressing need to fill in the part of the timeline between the penultimate and final scenes of Daybreak. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

			: Concur with Noneofyourbusiness. I do think that noting the facts that Liquidcross pointed out in the "notes" section or as references would suffice. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:47, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)		So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

			:Hmm. It's obviously not '''exactly''' like the real world. I think things where we don't know exactly what happened don't need mentioning. However likely something like "this settlement died out" may be, it's still speculative. There's no pressing need to fill in the part of the timeline between the penultimate and final scenes of Daybreak. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	Since RDM has clearly stated on more than one occasion that the events of ''BSG'' lead to us in the real world, how do we handle real-life history within the confines of the timeline? For example, Admiral Adama scattered the survivors throughout the world at the end of "[[Daybreak, Part II]]." Real-life science and archaeology shows us that humans did ''not'' originate in or settle in any of those areas (except for the African area, where the survivors landed) 150,000 years ago. As such, should we make it clear in the articles that these survivors died out very quickly? Keeping with real-world history, that's precisely what would have taken place. (And their remains must've been rapidly devoured and scattered to bits by the local fauna!)		Since RDM has clearly stated on more than one occasion that the events of ''BSG'' lead to us in the real world, how do we handle real-life history within the confines of the timeline? For example, Admiral Adama scattered the survivors throughout the world at the end of "[[Daybreak, Part II]]." Real-life science and archaeology shows us that humans did ''not'' originate in or settle in any of those areas (except for the African area, where the survivors landed) 150,000 years ago. As such, should we make it clear in the articles that these survivors died out very quickly? Keeping with real-world history, that's precisely what would have taken place. (And their remains must've been rapidly devoured and scattered to bits by the local fauna!)

	The same applies with Hera being described as Mitochondrial Eve, the MRCA. This is factually incorrect.		The same applies with Hera being described as Mitochondrial Eve, the MRCA. This is factually incorrect, as the MRCA existed much more recently than 150k years ago (more like between 10k and 50k years ago). Also, Mitochondrial Eve would be the most recent common matrilineal ancestor, anyway, not the MRCA. They're two different things.

	I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.		I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.

	So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)		So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	Since RDM has clearly stated on more than one occasion that the events of ''BSG'' lead to us in the real world, how do we handle real-life history within the confines of the timeline? For example, Admiral Adama scattered the survivors throughout the world at the end of "[[Daybreak, Part II]]." Real-life science and archaeology shows us that humans did ''not'' originate in or settle in any of those areas (except for the African area, where the survivors landed) 150,000 years ago. As such, should we make it clear in the articles that these survivors died out very quickly? Keeping with real-world history, that's precisely what would have taken place. (And their remains must've been rapidly devoured and scattered to bits by the local fauna!)		Since RDM has clearly stated on more than one occasion that the events of ''BSG'' lead to us in the real world, how do we handle real-life history within the confines of the timeline? For example, Admiral Adama scattered the survivors throughout the world at the end of "[[Daybreak, Part II]]." Real-life science and archaeology shows us that humans did ''not'' originate in or settle in any of those areas (except for the African area, where the survivors landed) 150,000 years ago. As such, should we make it clear in the articles that these survivors died out very quickly? Keeping with real-world history, that's precisely what would have taken place. (And their remains must've been rapidly devoured and scattered to bits by the local fauna!)

			The same applies with Hera being described as Mitochondrial Eve, the MRCA. This is factually incorrect.

	I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.		I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.

	So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)		So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.		I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.

	So...how should this be handled? Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)		So...how should this be handled? I hope I made sense. Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero", and "Caprica" (along with "Razor") introduces some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero", and "Caprica" (along with "Razor") introduces some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

			== Real-world events within the timeline? ==

			Since RDM has clearly stated on more than one occasion that the events of ''BSG'' lead to us in the real world, how do we handle real-life history within the confines of the timeline? For example, Admiral Adama scattered the survivors throughout the world at the end of "[[Daybreak, Part II]]." Real-life science and archaeology shows us that humans did ''not'' originate in or settle in any of those areas (except for the African area, where the survivors landed) 150,000 years ago. As such, should we make it clear in the articles that these survivors died out very quickly? Keeping with real-world history, that's precisely what would have taken place. (And their remains must've been rapidly devoured and scattered to bits by the local fauna!)

			I ask this because with any other science fiction series, it's all within an ''internal'' timeline, not connected to the real world. However, as I said, RDM has stated that the point of the show was to connect with the real world.

			So...how should this be handled? Thanks in advance for your input... -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 01:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

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	::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''		::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''
	::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero" and "Caprica" (~~and~~ "Razor") ~~introduce~~ some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero", and "Caprica" (along with "Razor") introduces some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::::I'll go even further.... There's no reason to note they died at all, since that's really a given and there were no special circumstances to their death. There really is no reason to use "died sometime after XXX ACH" in the infobox at all, since you would have to do that to '''every''' infobox for '''every''' character who survived up to the arrived at the new Earth. We should really leave the death section of infoboxes for confirmed deaths, not assumed. However, that's a topic for another talk page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I'll go even further.... There's no reason to note they died at all, since that's really a given and there were no special circumstances to their death. There really is no reason to use "died sometime after XXX ACH" in the infobox at all, since you would have to do that to '''every''' infobox for '''every''' character who survived up to the arrived at the new Earth. We should really leave the death section of infoboxes for confirmed deaths, not assumed. However, that's a topic for another talk page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Actually you are right. After all, the whole Wiki variously works under the "state as of the last episode" mode, talking about deceased characters - but from the perspective of 150,000 years later all would be deceased. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 08:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::Actually you are right. After all, the whole Wiki variously works under the "state as of the last episode" mode, talking about deceased characters - but from the perspective of 150,000 years later all would be deceased. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 08:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Absolutely. The only definitive evidence of anyone actually dying is [[Hera Agathon]]! All the other deaths should be logically assumed, barring some extremely odd and supernatural event. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

	:These are supposed to be 150,000 Earth years, aren't they? That's the time given in the article Ron is reading. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)		:These are supposed to be 150,000 Earth years, aren't they? That's the time given in the article Ron is reading. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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	::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''		::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''
	::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero" and "Caprica" (and "Razor") introduce some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::::I'll go even further.... There's no reason to note they died at all, since that's really a given and there were no special circumstances to their death. There really is no reason to use "died sometime after XXX ACH" in the infobox at all, since you would have to do that to '''every''' infobox for '''every''' character who survived up to the arrived at the new Earth. We should really leave the death section of infoboxes for confirmed deaths, not assumed. However, that's a topic for another talk page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::I'll go even further.... There's no reason to note they died at all, since that's really a given and there were no special circumstances to their death. There really is no reason to use "died sometime after XXX ACH" in the infobox at all, since you would have to do that to '''every''' infobox for '''every''' character who survived up to the arrived at the new Earth. We should really leave the death section of infoboxes for confirmed deaths, not assumed. However, that's a topic for another talk page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:55, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::Actually you are right. After all, the whole Wiki variously works under the "state as of the last episode" mode, talking about deceased characters - but from the perspective of 150,000 years later all would be deceased. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 08:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::Actually you are right. After all, the whole Wiki variously works under the "state as of the last episode" mode, talking about deceased characters - but from the perspective of 150,000 years later all would be deceased. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 08:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Absolutely. The only definitive evidence of anyone actually dying is [[Hera Agathon]]! All the other deaths should be logically assumed, barring some extremely odd and supernatural event. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

	:These are supposed to be 150,000 Earth years, aren't they? That's the time given in the article Ron is reading. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)		:These are supposed to be 150,000 Earth years, aren't they? That's the time given in the article Ron is reading. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
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	::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''		::So how about '''''"died after the settlement of New Earth in 4 ACH?"'''''
	::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)		::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:54, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::The BSG timeline is wonky and wrought with various contradictions; Tom Zarek made a reference for "five years" in Season 4, there's that one year gaffe in "Hero" and "Caprica" (and "Razor") introduce some delightfully fun inconsistencies of their own. As I said earlier, I'm not fond of noting deaths in infoboxes unless absolutely confirmed. We can assume that every one of the 38,000+ survivors (or, indeed, anyone else in the series) is well dead, buried and rotted to nothing after the 150,000 jump. This being the case, we can either make a carte blanche note that everyone died sometime after the discovery of the Second Earth (which is easy enough to do directly in the infobox's syntax itself), or simply leave the field blank in the infobox. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:45, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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	My preference here is to simply throw out the dialogue from "Hero", and put Bulldog's aborted mission at -6 BCH - "three years ago" should be changed to "eight years ago", and "about a year prior to the Cylon attack" should be changed to "about six years prior...". Where relevant, the contradiction should be footnoted.		My preference here is to simply throw out the dialogue from "Hero", and put Bulldog's aborted mission at -6 BCH - "three years ago" should be changed to "eight years ago", and "about a year prior to the Cylon attack" should be changed to "about six years prior...". Where relevant, the contradiction should be footnoted.

	The alternative, attempting to reconcile Gaeta and Tyrol's backstory with Adama's, is impossible, and should not be attempted. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:15, 20 October 2007 (CDT)		The alternative, attempting to reconcile Gaeta and Tyrol's backstory with Adama's, is impossible, and should not be attempted. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:15, 20 October 2007 (CDT)

	:I couldn't agree more. ''Finally'' someone points that out. Usually I don't take printed documents like that at face value, because there are small errors in a few them. But as you said, other evidence always indicated that Adama served on ''Galactica'' for a few years. Not just Tyrol's very explicit line, but also how others like Gaeta and Kelly act around him. "Hero" messed that up, but I always chose to see it as an error in dialogue. For me it makes more sense to place the Stealthstar mission at maybe 8 years or so before the series. Thinking that Tyrol ('''and''' Gaeta!) followed him from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' just complicates things unnecessarily. It's beyond me why the more silly way was chosen. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 20 October 2007 (CDT)		:I couldn't agree more. ''Finally'' someone points that out. Usually I don't take printed documents like that at face value, because there are small errors in a few them. But as you said, other evidence always indicated that Adama served on ''Galactica'' for a few years. Not just Tyrol's very explicit line, but also how others like Gaeta and Kelly act around him. "Hero" messed that up, but I always chose to see it as an error in dialogue. For me it makes more sense to place the Stealthstar mission at maybe 8 years or so before the series. Thinking that Tyrol ('''and''' Gaeta!) followed him from ''Valkyrie'' to ''Galactica'' just complicates things unnecessarily. It's beyond me why the more silly way was chosen. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 20 October 2007 (CDT)
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	:::*The early version is integral to Tyrol's backstory and can't be reconciled with the later version.		:::*The early version is integral to Tyrol's backstory and can't be reconciled with the later version.
	:::*As a "one-off" not connected to the overall story arc, it seems unlikely that Novacek or the events of "Hero" will be referenced again.		:::*As a "one-off" not connected to the overall story arc, it seems unlikely that Novacek or the events of "Hero" will be referenced again.
	:::In light of this, I feel comfortable making the Miniseries/Litmus/Resistance/Dossier (and, as I noted some time ago in [[Talk:Hero/Archive1#Possible_Discontinuity]], "Act of Contrition" and "The Farm") consensus the "official" version, and footnoting the "Hero" version. If necessary, a separate page explaining the particular continuity glitch and our policy to it could be drafted and linked. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:22, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		:::In light of this, I feel comfortable making the Miniseries/Litmus/Resistance/Dossier (and, as I noted some time ago in [[Talk:Hero/Archive1#Possible_Discontinuity]], "Act of Contrition" and "The Farm") consensus the "official" version, and footnoting the "Hero" version. If necessary, a separate page explaining the particular continuity glitch and our policy to it could be drafted and linked. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:22, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
	::::That seems about right, how about this compromise: In articles relating to [[Hero]] we use the "Hero version", footnoting the "official version" and then in the rest of the wiki do the opposite. If Battlestar Galactica isn't entirely self-consistent, Battestar wiki doesn't need to be either. We know that RDM values a lot of things above continuity. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 04:40, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		::::That seems about right, how about this compromise: In articles relating to [[Hero]] we use the "Hero version", footnoting the "official version" and then in the rest of the wiki do the opposite. If Battlestar Galactica isn't entirely self-consistent, Battestar wiki doesn't need to be either. We know that RDM values a lot of things above continuity. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 04:40, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
	:::::Sad, but true. That said, we have the opportunity to consistently document inconsistencies. While RDM is more bound to his muse and to storytelling, I say we throw in our lot with accuracy, consistency, and concision (anf if things occasionally get a little foot-notey we can live with it). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 05:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		:::::Sad, but true. That said, we have the opportunity to consistently document inconsistencies. While RDM is more bound to his muse and to storytelling, I say we throw in our lot with accuracy, consistency, and concision (anf if things occasionally get a little foot-notey we can live with it). --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 05:29, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
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	::::::I don't see the problem in moving the date and footnoting it, explaining that we chose to ignore the date given in "Hero" in favor of a lot of other onscreen evidence. If we kept the "three years" in the main text, we'd need to make a footnote anyways to stay consistent. So there is not much of a difference either way. The ''Valkyrie'' page in particular needs to be changed because it says that Tyrol and Gaeta served there with Adama.		::::::I don't see the problem in moving the date and footnoting it, explaining that we chose to ignore the date given in "Hero" in favor of a lot of other onscreen evidence. If we kept the "three years" in the main text, we'd need to make a footnote anyways to stay consistent. So there is not much of a difference either way. The ''Valkyrie'' page in particular needs to be changed because it says that Tyrol and Gaeta served there with Adama.
	::::::Moreover, moving "Hero" a few years earlier actually gives Adama's doubts about his role in the conflict more weight. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		::::::Moreover, moving "Hero" a few years earlier actually gives Adama's doubts about his role in the conflict more weight. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:20, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
	::::::This sounds good to me, OTW. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 10:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		::::::This sounds good to me, OTW. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 10:18, 21 October 2007 (CDT)
	:::::::Good to see someone bringing this up. I to have been cringing every time I read that Tyrol and Gaeta came with Adama from the Valkyrie as a way of reconcilling that. It just doesn't happen in the militaries that RDM and Co. use for inspiration. I like OTW's idea, that would work pretty well, as long as we cleary spell out the differences, maybe include a link to a section of the Hero or Timeline page that deals with it. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 13:30, 21 October 2007 (CDT)		:::::::Good to see someone bringing this up. I to have been cringing every time I read that Tyrol and Gaeta came with Adama from the Valkyrie as a way of reconcilling that. It just doesn't happen in the militaries that RDM and Co. use for inspiration. I like OTW's idea, that would work pretty well, as long as we cleary spell out the differences, maybe include a link to a section of the Hero or Timeline page that deals with it. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 13:30, 21 October 2007 (CDT)

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	:::My reading is that Adama serves on the tramp freighter from -37 BCH to some point prior to -23 BCH (per the dossier). He meets Tigh in -28 BCH (per "Torn", in which Adama calls Tigh "The man that I've known for the past thirty years"). He is recomissioned in -23 BCH, rank unknown. Tigh is recomissioned in -21 BCH (two years later, per the magazine), by which point Adama holds the rank of major (per the cut scene in "Scattered"). The dossier entry for -17 BCH indicates his transfer to Atlantia, not a promotion. His thousandth landing (on Atlantia, per "Act of Contrition") must take place shortly afterwards.		:::My reading is that Adama serves on the tramp freighter from -37 BCH to some point prior to -23 BCH (per the dossier). He meets Tigh in -28 BCH (per "Torn", in which Adama calls Tigh "The man that I've known for the past thirty years"). He is recomissioned in -23 BCH, rank unknown. Tigh is recomissioned in -21 BCH (two years later, per the magazine), by which point Adama holds the rank of major (per the cut scene in "Scattered"). The dossier entry for -17 BCH indicates his transfer to Atlantia, not a promotion. His thousandth landing (on Atlantia, per "Act of Contrition") must take place shortly afterwards.
	:::We can date Adama's marriage to Carolanne as follows: Zak dies in -2 BCH (Miniseries). He probably graduated from some kind of military academy, which would make his age at least 22 following the U.S. model. That puts his birth at roughly -24 BCH. From Adama's [[: Image:Primusphoto.jpg\|photo]] with his two sons, Lee looks about two years older, putting his birth in -26 BCH.		:::We can date Adama's marriage to Carolanne as follows: Zak dies in -2 BCH (Miniseries). He probably graduated from some kind of military academy, which would make his age at least 22 following the U.S. model. That puts his birth at roughly -24 BCH. From Adama's [[: Image:Primusphoto.jpg\|photo]] with his two sons, Lee looks about two years older, putting his birth in -26 BCH.
	:::So, I think everything makes perfect sense here. The flashbacks in "Scattered" span seven years from -28 BCH (Adama and Tigh's first meeting) to -21 BCH (Tigh's reinstatement). Adama's comment about meeting Tigh 30 years ago in Torn fits nicely. He probably married Carolanne in -26 BCH, at which point he would have quit his job on the freighter to start a family, and resumed military service three years later, when Zak was old enough to leave with one parent. The only date that has to be fudged is Moore's comment that the "Scattered" flashbacks take place 20 years ago, and this is both the most vague and least reliable piece of information that we have to consider. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:55, 25 October 2007 (CDT)		:::So, I think everything makes perfect sense here. The flashbacks in "Scattered" span seven years from -28 BCH (Adama and Tigh's first meeting) to -21 BCH (Tigh's reinstatement). Adama's comment about meeting Tigh 30 years ago in Torn fits nicely. He probably married Carolanne in -26 BCH, at which point he would have quit his job on the freighter to start a family, and resumed military service three years later, when Zak was old enough to leave with one parent. The only date that has to be fudged is Moore's comment that the "Scattered" flashbacks take place 20 years ago, and this is both the most vague and least reliable piece of information that we have to consider. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:55, 25 October 2007 (CDT)
	::::That sounds good :) I agree that we shouldn't necessarily take behind-the-scenes info over on-screen evidence. Though it can be made fit either way.		::::That sounds good :) I agree that we shouldn't necessarily take behind-the-scenes info over on-screen evidence. Though it can be made fit either way.
	::::Two comments though: First, Adama's rank is known from a deleted scene. He starts as captain as well. Second, Adama didn't quit his job with marriage. When he gets the news that he is reinstated, Tigh states "the new wife pulled through". And the two are still on the freighter. The Adamas married while he was a freight monkey and then he joined the Fleet rightaway. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 01:29, 26 October 2007 (CDT)		::::Two comments though: First, Adama's rank is known from a deleted scene. He starts as captain as well. Second, Adama didn't quit his job with marriage. When he gets the news that he is reinstated, Tigh states "the new wife pulled through". And the two are still on the freighter. The Adamas married while he was a freight monkey and then he joined the Fleet rightaway. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 01:29, 26 October 2007 (CDT)
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	I think we should really note that there are various "lost time" events (i.e. "Flight of the Phoenix", "Downloaded", and even those inferred by "He That Believeth In Me") that we should note. Further, I think it would be wise to point out that there might be inaccuracies in this timeline that can never be rectified due to the lack of definitive information. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)		I think we should really note that there are various "lost time" events (i.e. "Flight of the Phoenix", "Downloaded", and even those inferred by "He That Believeth In Me") that we should note. Further, I think it would be wise to point out that there might be inaccuracies in this timeline that can never be rectified due to the lack of definitive information. Thoughts? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 22:52, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
	:I thought "Downloaded" was cleared up on the DVD release? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 03:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)		:I thought "Downloaded" was cleared up on the DVD release? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 03:54, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

	==BCE occurences==		==BCE occurences==