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	:::::::::::It's up on my talk area if you want to look now. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:05, 22 March 2006 (CST)		:::::::::::It's up on my talk area if you want to look now. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:05, 22 March 2006 (CST)

			===Issues with LindyChef's Analysis===
			:''Link: [[User_talk:LindyChef#Example_of_proposed_edit_for_the_RDM_Timeline_page_for_s2.5]]''
			*How can Resurrection Ship Parts 1 & 2 be firmly dated? All we know is that at the ''latest'', Gina and Baltar last spoke 14 days prior to epiphanies. What else constrains these events?
			*What's the motivation for placing "Black Market" mere days after Epiphanies? There's no reason this couldn't be the case, of course.
			*As I discussed above, isn't it possible that the asteroid mining operations were already underway during "Black Market"?

			Thanks for your work on this thus far. I look forward to your reply. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 16:31, 22 March 2006 (CST)

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	::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)		::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			== The Ten Weeks thing in "Downloaded" ==

			Just wanted to let you guys in on a little thing regarding this "Ten Weeks Ago" thing that popped up in "Downloaded"... I was contacted by a bona-fide member of the post-production crew on BSG. While I can't get into specifics, since I didn't ask to do so, I can tell you folks that the production crew figured that the "Ten Weeks Ago" thing was a mistake (which came from the script) and this will be corrected in the home video releases and the international views to read "Ten Weeks After" (the attack). It was the fan's outcry -- and the meticulous work done on this timeline -- that brought around this correction. All our hard working contributors should be proud -- I know I am. Pretty frakkin' cool, huh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 2 March 2006 (CST)
			:It is pretty cool, but "ten weeks after the attack" is still wrong - Sharon's death can't ''possibly'' have been any later than Day 57, ie, roughly eight weeks. Nor does it address the other issue in this episode - Three's statement that Kara was on Caprica "a couple weeks ago", while Caprica-Valerii wasn't even visibly pregnant yet; nor the 74 days which seem to have vanished into the ether between "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 2 March 2006 (CST)
			:: FYI, I've mailed the person in question your comments. I'm interested to see what happens with this. I'll keep you folks posted. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 2 March 2006 (CST)

			:::I was going to chime in on this myself: Our entire timeline supports the idea that it could not have been Day 70 (ten weeks); that was around Home, Part II. Would you guys agree that "8 weeks after" would be a good working figure? (I mean "weeks" leaves it "fuzzy around the edges", as it were, giving some 2-3 day stretch time, no need to get exact.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 00:10, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			== Flight Of The Phoenix Chronology Note ==
			I'm sorry to say that the whole Chronology Note on this episode has several errors in it that need correcting. Rather than edit it myself, I'm starting this thread so that there is some agreement on what it is edited to. I rewatched 'Flight of the Phoenix' the other weekend from the Season 2.0 DVD set and the order of events in the episode is:

			1) Caly gets released from the Brig
			2) Tyrol starts building the backbird
			3) Laura gets her one month to live diagnosis
			4) Galactica routs Cylon attack
			5) Tyrol completes the Blackbird.

			So the statement that Laura's diagnosis happended before Caly was released from the brig is wrong. And there is no indication that the scene happened in flashback either. It's possible that they re-edited the episode for the DVD but I haven't seen a posting to indicate that this happened. So I would suggest that this note is removed and the episode timeline entry corrected to break out the 5 events, as they did occur on seperate days over a three month period. --[[User:Rexpop\|Rexpop]] 15:38, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			:Thank you; I was running off of some back information from someone else, but upon viewing a transcript at GalacticaStation, it appears that Roslin is givern her diagnosis AFTER Cally returns; this is great, and a lot simpler; now it just means that months pass between these two scenes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 17:36, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			::To clear things up I've tidied up the section for this episode. I've broken out the events as happening on different days and moved the chronology note to the notes section for further cleaning up. I've also indicated that the day of Cally's release is approximate as we don't have a firm date from when the 30 days starts from. Hopefully this will help keep the timeline fairly clean. and clear --[[User:Rexpop\|Rexpop]] 21:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			== Fine Tuning "Black Market" Through "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" ==

			I know that we've been able to pin the start date of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" to be around Day 270, but I think it we might be able to further fine tune that number to be more like Day 276. Going forward from "Epiphanies," the timeline is as follows:
			* At least two days pass in "Epiphanies" putting the earliest start date for the events in "Black Market" to be around Day 191.
			* At least one day passes in "Black Market," which means that the mining operations in "Scar" could not start until Day 192 at the earliest. Since the mining ops in "Scar" take 29 days, [[Galactica (RDM)\|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] could not return to the fleet until Day 221 at the earliest.
			* The return of [[Galactica (RDM)\|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] to the fleet means that the events of "Sacrifice" could not begin until Day 221.
			* Lee's recovery from the shooting in "Sacrifice" has lasted "almost a month." If we assume this is longer than three weeks and less than a month, around 25 days, then the starting date for "The Captain's Hand" would be around Day 246.
			* In "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" the moderator of the debate states that Baltar announced his candidacy one month ago (in "The Captain's Hand"), putting the the beginning of the episode at around Day 276.
			It's six days, I know, but I think with the information at hand we can reliably date the timline for the final stretch of the season. Any thoughts, other information I'm missing? --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:39, 7 March 2006 (CST)

			:I agree. If we look at Starbuck's SAR, how can it take them 10 days to jump from the Fleet to Caprica and only one day to jump back? If we put "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" at Day 276, that would seem a little more likely (ie, four days of Jumps and calculations to get there, one day to get back). --[[User:Bahamut\|Bahamut]] 04:00, 12 March 2006 (EST)

			::It still doesn't take care of some of the consistencies in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I," though. Right before the debates Six says it will be two weeks before the election, yet in the briefing room right before the first debate Lee says they're listening in to see what they are looking forward to over the next 5 days, either meaning that the debates are only going to last 5 days or the SAR mission is going to last 5 days, yet after the last debate, the announcer says the election will be in three days and the SAR mission hasn't returned home yet (and yes, the SAR mission did run a day long, so I think it ran 6 days, while the debates ran 5. The 5 day format makes sense to me ... 1 day for debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for second debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for final debate) --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 23:38, 12 March 2006 (CST)

			:::Something which just ocurred to me - the "three days away" comment explicitly refers to the polls ''opening''. Perhaps the "two weeks away" comment refers to them ''closing''. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 23:42, 12 March 2006 (CST)

			::::Maybe, but Six explicitly says the "election" is two weeks away ... I think it might be that there's a good 7 days or so between the close of the debates and the actual election. That would mean the SAR team would get back from Caprica around Day 282 and you'd have a week for the action to play out of Rosalin coming to Baltar, Anders and Thrace and Lee, etc. If no-one has any other major inputs, I'll go ahead and edit the S2.5 timeline to reflect these changes. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 00:18, 13 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::Please don't. We're very explicitly told that the final debate was three days before the polls open, when McManus says "This concludes the cycle of the debates for the presidency. The polls will be open in three days." --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:56, 13 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::Sorry, wasn't clear about what I'd proposed the edit on ... it would be for the stretch between Epiphanies and Lay Down Your Burdens I&II (the timeline I wrote out above). The timline for Lay Down Your Burdens I&II would remain intact, just shifted down by by 6 days. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 01:44, 14 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::I'm confused. I thought it was pretty clear that the LDYB timeline I posted is based on a rough estimate of Baltar's "nine months" comment. There should be about two weeks of wiggle room on either side. I don't think we've even tried to link it up conclusively to Epiphanies yet, which will be a complicated challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 14 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::::I'm confused as to what you're confused about ... with the information at hand we can reasonably date the timeline from Ephiphanies through LDYB ... I don't see a good place to put the proposed edit here, so I can put it on my talk page for you to look at. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 23:09, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::::I'll be interested to see your argument. I don't believe we currently have enough information to do that conclusively. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 23:30, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::::::Neither do I. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 23:57, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::::::It's up on my talk area if you want to look now. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:05, 22 March 2006 (CST)

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	:I'd rather not. We didn't remove her older life expectancy from "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" when the estimate was revised downward in "Flight of the Phoenix". Both data points might still be of interest to someone who's following the continuity of the show. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:04, 21 January 2006 (EST)		:I'd rather not. We didn't remove her older life expectancy from "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part I" when the estimate was revised downward in "Flight of the Phoenix". Both data points might still be of interest to someone who's following the continuity of the show. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:04, 21 January 2006 (EST)

			==When is the Presidential Election?==

			Okay, "Res Ship, part I" and "Epiphanies" established that we are now 6 months after the Cylon attack. (That's definately what they're SAYING, but I'm still saying how improbable it was and there must have been a lot of time passing in FotP).

			Regardless, in "[[Scar]]" 29 days pass. Give a few as well for "Black Market" (do we know how many days pass in that?), and we'll call it an even "one month".

			6 months + 1 month = 7 months. pollo stated in "Bastille Day" that they would hold elections in "seven months" when Roslin serves out President Adar's term. So what's going on? --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 03:11, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			:RDM says the election will take place at the end of the season. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:18, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			==Timing of Events of Black Market and later episodes==
			The "matter of weeks" timing of Black Market after Epiphanies is thorny in terms of trying to figure out when it happens. I'm estimating 3 weeks, hence 21 days. If it was much longer, they could have said "a month" or "almost a month" or "more than a month", if it was shorter, it could be "just a week" or the like. It could be a little more either way, but I put dates in estimating that much time (and noted as approximate).
			--Wingsandsword

			:Seven weeks is still "a matter of weeks". All we can say about the "black market" comment is that it was definitely less than two months, since after that point it becomes "a matter of months". --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:38, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			:::No Wingsandsword. Here our standard is to leave it as ?? question marks, when such a large amount of time as ''one to two weeks'' is involve.d --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 03:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

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	::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)		::::I don't see any policy to that effect anywhere here. I've just checked, it's nowhere in the tutorials, nowhere in the few policies listed, nowhere I can find. There is no style guide to this wiki making things like that standard that I can tell. It might be ''your'' personal standard, but I don't see any official opinion or policy declaration that approximate dates have a specific margin of error, that beyond "x" certainty it goes from an approximate date to a completely unknown one. An approximate date is a lot more useful than just "???". We don't know when, hence it is listed as "~" days. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 13:39, 4 February 2006 (EST)

			== The Ten Weeks thing in "Downloaded" ==

			Just wanted to let you guys in on a little thing regarding this "Ten Weeks Ago" thing that popped up in "Downloaded"... I was contacted by a bona-fide member of the post-production crew on BSG. While I can't get into specifics, since I didn't ask to do so, I can tell you folks that the production crew figured that the "Ten Weeks Ago" thing was a mistake (which came from the script) and this will be corrected in the home video releases and the international views to read "Ten Weeks After" (the attack). It was the fan's outcry -- and the meticulous work done on this timeline -- that brought around this correction. All our hard working contributors should be proud -- I know I am. Pretty frakkin' cool, huh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 2 March 2006 (CST)
			:It is pretty cool, but "ten weeks after the attack" is still wrong - Sharon's death can't ''possibly'' have been any later than Day 57, ie, roughly eight weeks. Nor does it address the other issue in this episode - Three's statement that Kara was on Caprica "a couple weeks ago", while Caprica-Valerii wasn't even visibly pregnant yet; nor the 74 days which seem to have vanished into the ether between "Pegasus" and "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:18, 2 March 2006 (CST)
			:: FYI, I've mailed the person in question your comments. I'm interested to see what happens with this. I'll keep you folks posted. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] 21:39, 2 March 2006 (CST)

			:::I was going to chime in on this myself: Our entire timeline supports the idea that it could not have been Day 70 (ten weeks); that was around Home, Part II. Would you guys agree that "8 weeks after" would be a good working figure? (I mean "weeks" leaves it "fuzzy around the edges", as it were, giving some 2-3 day stretch time, no need to get exact.--[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 00:10, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			== Flight Of The Phoenix Chronology Note ==
			I'm sorry to say that the whole Chronology Note on this episode has several errors in it that need correcting. Rather than edit it myself, I'm starting this thread so that there is some agreement on what it is edited to. I rewatched 'Flight of the Phoenix' the other weekend from the Season 2.0 DVD set and the order of events in the episode is:

			1) Caly gets released from the Brig
			2) Tyrol starts building the backbird
			3) Laura gets her one month to live diagnosis
			4) Galactica routs Cylon attack
			5) Tyrol completes the Blackbird.

			So the statement that Laura's diagnosis happended before Caly was released from the brig is wrong. And there is no indication that the scene happened in flashback either. It's possible that they re-edited the episode for the DVD but I haven't seen a posting to indicate that this happened. So I would suggest that this note is removed and the episode timeline entry corrected to break out the 5 events, as they did occur on seperate days over a three month period. --[[User:Rexpop\|Rexpop]] 15:38, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			:Thank you; I was running off of some back information from someone else, but upon viewing a transcript at GalacticaStation, it appears that Roslin is givern her diagnosis AFTER Cally returns; this is great, and a lot simpler; now it just means that months pass between these two scenes. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 17:36, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			::To clear things up I've tidied up the section for this episode. I've broken out the events as happening on different days and moved the chronology note to the notes section for further cleaning up. I've also indicated that the day of Cally's release is approximate as we don't have a firm date from when the 30 days starts from. Hopefully this will help keep the timeline fairly clean. and clear --[[User:Rexpop\|Rexpop]] 21:33, 3 March 2006 (CST)

			== Fine Tuning "Black Market" Through "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" ==

			I know that we've been able to pin the start date of "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" to be around Day 270, but I think it we might be able to further fine tune that number to be more like Day 276. Going forward from "Epiphanies," the timeline is as follows:
			* At least two days pass in "Epiphanies" putting the earliest start date for the events in "Black Market" to be around Day 191.
			* At least one day passes in "Black Market," which means that the mining operations in "Scar" could not start until Day 192 at the earliest. Since the mining ops in "Scar" take 29 days, [[Galactica (RDM)\|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] could not return to the fleet until Day 221 at the earliest.
			* The return of [[Galactica (RDM)\|Battlestar ''Galactica'']] to the fleet means that the events of "Sacrifice" could not begin until Day 221.
			* Lee's recovery from the shooting in "Sacrifice" has lasted "almost a month." If we assume this is longer than three weeks and less than a month, around 25 days, then the starting date for "The Captain's Hand" would be around Day 246.
			* In "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" the moderator of the debate states that Baltar announced his candidacy one month ago (in "The Captain's Hand"), putting the the beginning of the episode at around Day 276.
			It's six days, I know, but I think with the information at hand we can reliably date the timline for the final stretch of the season. Any thoughts, other information I'm missing? --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:39, 7 March 2006 (CST)

			:I agree. If we look at Starbuck's SAR, how can it take them 10 days to jump from the Fleet to Caprica and only one day to jump back? If we put "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I" at Day 276, that would seem a little more likely (ie, four days of Jumps and calculations to get there, one day to get back). --[[User:Bahamut\|Bahamut]] 04:00, 12 March 2006 (EST)

			::It still doesn't take care of some of the consistencies in "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I," though. Right before the debates Six says it will be two weeks before the election, yet in the briefing room right before the first debate Lee says they're listening in to see what they are looking forward to over the next 5 days, either meaning that the debates are only going to last 5 days or the SAR mission is going to last 5 days, yet after the last debate, the announcer says the election will be in three days and the SAR mission hasn't returned home yet (and yes, the SAR mission did run a day long, so I think it ran 6 days, while the debates ran 5. The 5 day format makes sense to me ... 1 day for debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for second debate, 1 day for rest, 1 day for final debate) --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 23:38, 12 March 2006 (CST)

			:::Something which just ocurred to me - the "three days away" comment explicitly refers to the polls ''opening''. Perhaps the "two weeks away" comment refers to them ''closing''. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 23:42, 12 March 2006 (CST)

			::::Maybe, but Six explicitly says the "election" is two weeks away ... I think it might be that there's a good 7 days or so between the close of the debates and the actual election. That would mean the SAR team would get back from Caprica around Day 282 and you'd have a week for the action to play out of Rosalin coming to Baltar, Anders and Thrace and Lee, etc. If no-one has any other major inputs, I'll go ahead and edit the S2.5 timeline to reflect these changes. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 00:18, 13 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::Please don't. We're very explicitly told that the final debate was three days before the polls open, when McManus says "This concludes the cycle of the debates for the presidency. The polls will be open in three days." --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:56, 13 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::Sorry, wasn't clear about what I'd proposed the edit on ... it would be for the stretch between Epiphanies and Lay Down Your Burdens I&II (the timeline I wrote out above). The timline for Lay Down Your Burdens I&II would remain intact, just shifted down by by 6 days. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 01:44, 14 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::I'm confused. I thought it was pretty clear that the LDYB timeline I posted is based on a rough estimate of Baltar's "nine months" comment. There should be about two weeks of wiggle room on either side. I don't think we've even tried to link it up conclusively to Epiphanies yet, which will be a complicated challenge. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:50, 14 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::::I'm confused as to what you're confused about ... with the information at hand we can reasonably date the timeline from Ephiphanies through LDYB ... I don't see a good place to put the proposed edit here, so I can put it on my talk page for you to look at. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 23:09, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::::I'll be interested to see your argument. I don't believe we currently have enough information to do that conclusively. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 23:30, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			::::::::::Neither do I. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 23:57, 15 March 2006 (CST)

			:::::::::::It's up on my talk area if you want to look now. --[[User:LindyChef\|LindyChef]] 14:05, 22 March 2006 (CST)