Talk:The Woman King/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Intricateenigma: /* Title */

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	"Woman King" is the title of a song and E.P. album by Iron & Wine. Maybe someone on the writing staff is a fan? --[[User:Xenophon10k\|Xenophon10k]] 06:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		"Woman King" is the title of a song and E.P. album by Iron & Wine. Maybe someone on the writing staff is a fan? --[[User:Xenophon10k\|Xenophon10k]] 06:37, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
	: Sounds to me like a play on The Pirate King. All these silly Hollywood types love Gilbert and Sullivan. I have no idea what the relevance would be, though. --[[User:Galactageek\|Galactageek]] 00:58, 12 February 2007 (CST)		: Sounds to me like a play on The Pirate King. All these silly Hollywood types love Gilbert and Sullivan. I have no idea what the relevance would be, though. --[[User:Galactageek\|Galactageek]] 00:58, 12 February 2007 (CST)
			Helo investigates the story of a woman in this episode. Helo refers to her as "Mrs. King." --[[User:Intricateenigma\|Intricateenigma]] 15:09, 12 March 2007 (CDT)

	== Concurrent with "Taking a Break?" ==		== Concurrent with "Taking a Break?" ==

LifeStar: /* Zarek & the Saggitarians */ Adama & Tigh had bigger issues at hand

2007-02-16T14:41:06Z

Zarek & the Saggitarians: Adama & Tigh had bigger issues at hand

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	I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.		I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.
	:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)		:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)
	::Plus, the larger issue at hand for Adama and Tigh was the security of Baltar and Caprica-Six. I doubt that they would have reported to Roslin this "minor" issue with a virus going around that was curable. Remember how Adama dressed down Helo and asked him if he could do his job with managing the situation in Dogsville? Adama clearly showed that he didn't think of the problems with the disease and the people was something beyond Helo's position.		::Plus, the larger issue at hand for Adama and Tigh was the security of Baltar and Caprica-Six. I doubt that they would have reported to Roslin this "minor" issue with a virus going around that was curable. Remember how Adama dressed down Helo and asked him if he could do his job with managing the situation in Dogsville? Adama clearly showed that he didn't think of the problems with the disease and the people was something beyond Helo's position.--[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 08:41, 16 February 2007 (CST)

LifeStar: /* Zarek & the Saggitarians */ Adama & Tigh had bigger issues at hand

2007-02-16T14:40:16Z

Zarek & the Saggitarians: Adama & Tigh had bigger issues at hand

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	I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.		I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.
	:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)		:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)
			::Plus, the larger issue at hand for Adama and Tigh was the security of Baltar and Caprica-Six. I doubt that they would have reported to Roslin this "minor" issue with a virus going around that was curable. Remember how Adama dressed down Helo and asked him if he could do his job with managing the situation in Dogsville? Adama clearly showed that he didn't think of the problems with the disease and the people was something beyond Helo's position.

Galactageek: /* Cylon sighting? */

2007-02-15T07:08:47Z

Cylon sighting?

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	You can see him on screen from about 5min 56 seconds through to 5 min 59 seconds. Could anyone with a high-def copy and some eagle eyes take a look and offer an opinion?		You can see him on screen from about 5min 56 seconds through to 5 min 59 seconds. Could anyone with a high-def copy and some eagle eyes take a look and offer an opinion?
	:It certainly looked like him, but the Colonials know about Cavil now so I expect they would have picked him up as the refugees boarded. --[[User:BklynBruzer\|BklynBruzer]] 06:04, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:It certainly looked like him, but the Colonials know about Cavil now so I expect they would have picked him up as the refugees boarded. --[[User:BklynBruzer\|BklynBruzer]] 06:04, 13 February 2007 (CST)
			:Thought it looked like Cavil too but decided it wasn't since they didn't cut back to him.--[[User:Galactageek\|Galactageek]] 01:08, 15 February 2007 (CST)

	== Information from the podast ==		== Information from the podast ==

Slander: /* Information from the podast */

2007-02-15T04:12:38Z

Information from the podast

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	:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)
	::Agree on moving to Official Statements. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 14 February 2007 (CST)		::Agree on moving to Official Statements. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 14 February 2007 (CST)
			:::Agreed. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 22:12, 14 February 2007 (CST)

	== Zarek & the Saggitarians ==		== Zarek & the Saggitarians ==

April Arcus: /* Information from the podast */

2007-02-14T20:33:39Z

Information from the podast

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	:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.		:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.
	:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)
			::Agree on moving to Official Statements. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:33, 14 February 2007 (CST)

	== Zarek & the Saggitarians ==		== Zarek & the Saggitarians ==

April Arcus: /* Zarek & the Saggitarians */

2007-02-14T20:29:14Z

Zarek & the Saggitarians

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	I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.		I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.
			:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)

Azselendor at 20:20, 14 February 2007

2007-02-14T20:20:08Z

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	:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.		:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.
	:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)


			== Zarek & the Saggitarians ==

			I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.

Noneofyourbusiness at 20:05, 14 February 2007

2007-02-14T20:05:26Z

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	So in my opinion, Robert is a racist(or tribist). His opinions and views on them because of New Caprica definitely are apart of him, but his actions demonstrate that he treated all the Sagittarons as an inferior tribe, even the ones who begged for his help and broke the norm. Why would he remain prejudice towards Mrs. King and Willie if he was just prejudice and not also racist? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 09:46, 13 February 2007 (CST)		So in my opinion, Robert is a racist(or tribist). His opinions and views on them because of New Caprica definitely are apart of him, but his actions demonstrate that he treated all the Sagittarons as an inferior tribe, even the ones who begged for his help and broke the norm. Why would he remain prejudice towards Mrs. King and Willie if he was just prejudice and not also racist? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 09:46, 13 February 2007 (CST)
	:The use of the term "racism" is most appropriate, with LifeStar's corrollary. I'm more for the use of episode dialogue to define terms, but, as with the [[Talk:Humanoid Cylon\|Cylon agent/humanoid Cylon]] decision, what the wiki does to define matters may not necessarily be consistent with dialogue. For the purposes of being an encyclopedia, this shouldn't be, but I know that sometimes consensus overrides this principle. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:14, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:The use of the term "racism" is most appropriate, with LifeStar's corrollary. I'm more for the use of episode dialogue to define terms, but, as with the [[Talk:Humanoid Cylon\|Cylon agent/humanoid Cylon]] decision, what the wiki does to define matters may not necessarily be consistent with dialogue. For the purposes of being an encyclopedia, this shouldn't be, but I know that sometimes consensus overrides this principle. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:14, 13 February 2007 (CST)
	::It is racism, as Helo said, because to a Colonial "race" refers to which of the twelve tribes someone is from, not to skin color. "Black" and "white" people aren't different races in biological fact, either. "Race" is concept with no value other than what culture defines it to mean. A Caprican and a Sagittaron think of themselves as different ethnicities. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:03, 14 February 2007 (CST)		::It is racism, as Helo said, because to a Colonial "race" refers to which of the twelve tribes someone is from, not to skin color. "Black" and "white" people aren't different races in biological fact, either. "Race" is a concept with no value other than what culture defines it to mean. A Caprican and a Sagittaron think of themselves as different ethnicities. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 14:05, 14 February 2007 (CST)

	== Camp Oil Slick = Dogsville? ==		== Camp Oil Slick = Dogsville? ==

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	::I am a little hesitant to make changes because I'm a new user and, until now, I've only corrected typos. Someone else did more work than me when they wrote up that summary, so I didn't want to start editing too freely. Just a little cautious on my side, I suppose. Take my love, take my land...saw Objects in Space on the old DVR (in HD) this week. Possibly my favorite episode of Firefly. But that's a discussion for another board. --[[User:Murph\|Murph]] 11:44, 12 February 2007 (CST)		::I am a little hesitant to make changes because I'm a new user and, until now, I've only corrected typos. Someone else did more work than me when they wrote up that summary, so I didn't want to start editing too freely. Just a little cautious on my side, I suppose. Take my love, take my land...saw Objects in Space on the old DVR (in HD) this week. Possibly my favorite episode of Firefly. But that's a discussion for another board. --[[User:Murph\|Murph]] 11:44, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	:::If you want to make a change this small, and you think it's the right thing to do, just do it. We keep a history of all edits, so if we decided you have totally screwed up a page, we can always undo your changes. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 13:48, 12 February 2007 (CST)		:::If you want to make a change this small, and you think it's the right thing to do, just do it. We keep a history of all edits, so if we decided you have totally screwed up a page, we can always undo your changes. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 13:48, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	:"Racist" is the right word. Helo uses it himself: "This guy's dirty. I think he's a liar, and I think he's killing people because he's a racist son of a bitch." --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:25, 12 February 2007 (CST)		:"Racist" is the right word. Helo uses it himself: "This guy's dirty. I think he's a liar, and I think he's killing people because he's a racist son of a bitch." --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:25, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	::A character said it; that doesn't make it the right choice of words. Like real people, the characters on the show sometimes say one word when their intent was to say another. More of that sweet, sweet realism we love from ''Galactica''. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 14:47, 12 February 2007 (CST)		::A character said it; that doesn't make it the right choice of words. Like real people, the characters on the show sometimes say one word when their intent was to say another. More of that sweet, sweet realism we love from ''Galactica''. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 14:47, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	::For all we know, Sagittarons might be a "race" of humans. Racial boundaries on ''Galactica'' aren't as clear cut as perhaps they should be... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:54, 12 February 2007 (CST)		::For all we know, Sagittarons might be a "race" of humans. Racial boundaries on ''Galactica'' aren't as clear cut as perhaps they should be... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:54, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	:::I completely agree with Joe. If coming from a different county/continent is how we define a "race" then I would certainly think coming from a different planet/colony is. We're all humans, no matter what your ethnic origin or skin color is. Same goes on Galactica. They're all humans, but there are 13 different colonies...and given the distinction that's been shown on the show before, it's analogous to different countries.--[[User:RUSnooky\|RUSnooky]] 16:05, 12 February 2007 (CST)		:::I completely agree with Joe. If coming from a different county/continent is how we define a "race" then I would certainly think coming from a different planet/colony is. We're all humans, no matter what your ethnic origin or skin color is. Same goes on Galactica. They're all humans, but there are 13 different colonies...and given the distinction that's been shown on the show before, it's analogous to different countries.--[[User:RUSnooky\|RUSnooky]] 16:05, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	::::Based on the work we've done at [[Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies]], it's quite obvious that nobody in the fictional ''Galactica'' universe is remotely interested in skin color as a means of classifying groups of people. The means by which the Colonials place themselves into representative groups is overwhelmingly based on colony of origin. This has been pointed out many times throughout the series: Sagittarons (Bastille Day, The Woman King) and Gemenons (The Captain's Hand) are obvious; Adama dismisses the Taurons as "always acting up" (Hero), and Caprica seems to be in a continual position of prestige. The Quorum of Twelve, the highest legislative body in the colonial government, is also organized based on tribal affiliation. With all this in mind - the irrelevance of skin color and the overriding importance of colony of origin - it makes perfect sense that issues of race should be transferred over to issues of nationality, and the corresponding vocabulary with them. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:25, 12 February 2007 (CST)		::::Based on the work we've done at [[Race and Ethnicity in the Twelve Colonies]], it's quite obvious that nobody in the fictional ''Galactica'' universe is remotely interested in skin color as a means of classifying groups of people. The means by which the Colonials place themselves into representative groups is overwhelmingly based on colony of origin. This has been pointed out many times throughout the series: Sagittarons (Bastille Day, The Woman King) and Gemenons (The Captain's Hand) are obvious; Adama dismisses the Taurons as "always acting up" (Hero), and Caprica seems to be in a continual position of prestige. The Quorum of Twelve, the highest legislative body in the colonial government, is also organized based on tribal affiliation. With all this in mind - the irrelevance of skin color and the overriding importance of colony of origin - it makes perfect sense that issues of race should be transferred over to issues of nationality, and the corresponding vocabulary with them. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:25, 12 February 2007 (CST)
	:::::Unfortunately the cultural and national equivalents of racism don't have concise two-syllable English terms. I've heard bias against various cultural, religious and linguistic groups referred to as "racism" on many occasions. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 18:31, 12 February 2007 (CST)		:::::Unfortunately the cultural and national equivalents of racism don't have concise two-syllable English terms. I've heard bias against various cultural, religious and linguistic groups referred to as "racism" on many occasions. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 18:31, 12 February 2007 (CST)

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	:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.		:I thought about that earlier. Official statements is a possibility.
	:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)		:Though we shouldn't add all tiny details gleaned from it. Just the really important/big things. For now it's alright, but like some of the Questions it might become too much at some point. We'll see. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:44, 13 February 2007 (CST)
	::Agree on moving to Official Statements. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:33, 14 February 2007 (CST)		::Agree on moving to Official Statements. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:33, 14 February 2007 (CST)
	:::Agreed. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 22:12, 14 February 2007 (CST)		:::Agreed. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 22:12, 14 February 2007 (CST)

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	I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.		I noted this under questions, but Zarek didn't seem to play any role in this episode except freaking out about Baltar and the Trial. I'm surprised he didn't show up to harass Helo, Adama, and Roberts.
	:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)		:I was also disappointed, but realistically, the incident only concerned a small number of people as was dealt with promptly. Roslin and Zarek were probably focused on other issues. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:29, 14 February 2007 (CST)
	::Plus, the larger issue at hand for Adama and Tigh was the security of Baltar and Caprica-Six. I doubt that they would have reported to Roslin this "minor" issue with a virus going around that was curable. Remember how Adama dressed down Helo and asked him if he could do his job with managing the situation in Dogsville? Adama clearly showed that he didn't think of the problems with the disease and the people was something beyond Helo's position.--[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 08:41, 16 February 2007 (CST)		::Plus, the larger issue at hand for Adama and Tigh was the security of Baltar and Caprica-Six. I doubt that they would have reported to Roslin this "minor" issue with a virus going around that was curable. Remember how Adama dressed down Helo and asked him if he could do his job with managing the situation in Dogsville? Adama clearly showed that he didn't think of the problems with the disease and the people was something beyond Helo's position.--[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 08:41, 16 February 2007 (CST)