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	== Which flag is which? ==		== Which flag is which? ==

	A close viewing of [[Colonial Day]] indicates that the flag currently labeled as [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Tauron\|Tauron]] belongs to Safiya Sanne's seat - either Picon or Leonis; and that the black flag belongs to Robin Wenutu's seat (Canceron), and that VIrgon's flag is a white field with a green inner stripe and yellow outer stripe. I'm curious as to how QuintusCinna came to his conclusion that the delegates aren't seated at their apprporiate flags, since I don't know any other evidence linking particular flags to colonies. I guess Scorpion is pretty obvious, though. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:34, 14 September 2005 (EDT)		A close viewing of [[Colonial Day]] indicates that the flag currently labeled as [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Tauron\|Tauron]] belongs to Safiya Sanne's seat - either Picon or Leonis; and that the black flag belongs to Robin Wenutu's seat (Canceron), and that VIrgon's flag is a white field with a green inner stripe and yellow outer stripe. I'm curious as to how QuintusCinna came to his conclusion that the delegates aren't seated at their apprporiate flags, since I don't know any other evidence linking particular flags to colonies. I guess Scorpion is pretty obvious, though. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:34, 14 September 2005 (EDT)
	:Don't trust the banners lining up with those they represent in [[Colonial Day]]. The reason I say this is that [[Tom Zarek]] is in one area of the room and his very obvious banner for Sagitarron is completely in another area. This is the same for Virgon's banner and their representative. There are 3 different questions I carry thanks to the shows I have watched. In the mini-series we see the banners are in this order from left to right: [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Virgon\|Virgon]], [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Picon\|Picon]], [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Caprica\|Caprica]], [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Aerelon\|Aerelon]], [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Gemenon\|Gemenon]], Scorpion, Aquaria(?), [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Tauron\|Tauron]], Libra (?), [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Sagittaron\|Sagittaron]], [[Canceron]] (?), [[The Twelve Colonies ~~(RDM)~~#Leonis\|Leonis]]. Is this in the order that the colonies signed the unification treaty or is the order for the flags random or is it in the order they were nuked? Though I am sure the producers, directors, and such just put them up in random order, it is now a sense of fact for the show. If we were to believe they were placed up there, the banners must be up there in some order that is according to military protocol for flag bearing. In Colonial Day I add 2 more questions. We see that the banners are behind the delegates in a different order than in the mini-series. This means they were either a) put up randomly or b) have a separate purpose than those shown at the end of the mini-series (nuked, treaty order, or other). Then we see that the delegates are put in a different order than the banners behind them. The Gemenon delegate is clearly seen toward the middle and the Gemenon flag is clearly in a different area. The same questions come up for the delegates: are they randomly placed or is there reason. It's not alphabetical, and placements of delegates and banners in every society is always in some sort of traditional order. I hope that the Battlestar Galactica producers, writers, and such will be able to answer this though I suspect they won't because they have REAL lives. As for the Picon flag, the constellation looks quite similar to the picon banner and the same goes for Tauron's with Taurus. I have no doubt with those. The Libra's icon can be seen in this picture [http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Articles/HorseAstrology/AstrologySymbol.gif] 2 clockwise from Sagittarius. --[[User:QuintusCinna\|QuintusCinna]] 1:12, 15 September 2005 (EDT)		:Don't trust the banners lining up with those they represent in [[Colonial Day]]. The reason I say this is that [[Tom Zarek]] is in one area of the room and his very obvious banner for Sagitarron is completely in another area. This is the same for Virgon's banner and their representative. There are 3 different questions I carry thanks to the shows I have watched. In the mini-series we see the banners are in this order from left to right: [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Virgon\|Virgon]], [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Picon\|Picon]], [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Caprica\|Caprica]], [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Aerelon\|Aerelon]], [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Gemenon\|Gemenon]], Scorpion, Aquaria(?), [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Tauron\|Tauron]], Libra (?), [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Sagittaron\|Sagittaron]], [[Canceron]] (?), [[The Twelve Colonies of Kobol#Leonis\|Leonis]]. Is this in the order that the colonies signed the unification treaty or is the order for the flags random or is it in the order they were nuked? Though I am sure the producers, directors, and such just put them up in random order, it is now a sense of fact for the show. If we were to believe they were placed up there, the banners must be up there in some order that is according to military protocol for flag bearing. In Colonial Day I add 2 more questions. We see that the banners are behind the delegates in a different order than in the mini-series. This means they were either a) put up randomly or b) have a separate purpose than those shown at the end of the mini-series (nuked, treaty order, or other). Then we see that the delegates are put in a different order than the banners behind them. The Gemenon delegate is clearly seen toward the middle and the Gemenon flag is clearly in a different area. The same questions come up for the delegates: are they randomly placed or is there reason. It's not alphabetical, and placements of delegates and banners in every society is always in some sort of traditional order. I hope that the Battlestar Galactica producers, writers, and such will be able to answer this though I suspect they won't because they have REAL lives. As for the Picon flag, the constellation looks quite similar to the picon banner and the same goes for Tauron's with Taurus. I have no doubt with those. The Libra's icon can be seen in this picture [http://www.gaitedhorses.net/Articles/HorseAstrology/AstrologySymbol.gif] 2 clockwise from Sagittarius. --[[User:QuintusCinna\|QuintusCinna]] 1:12, 15 September 2005 (EDT)

	== Libris = Libran? ==		== Libris = Libran? ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Geo: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */

2012-12-22T22:53:59Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.

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	: Have no problem with using that as a source, as long as it is properly cited, of course. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:24, 22 December 2012 (EST)		: Have no problem with using that as a source, as long as it is properly cited, of course. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:24, 22 December 2012 (EST)

	:: Copy that. Made a few extra text corrections I bumped into while adding the planet text lines. Haven't read through the planet sections though. Perhaps there are more grammar errors to be found.		:: Copy that. Made a few extra text corrections I bumped into while adding the planet text lines. Haven't read through the planet sections though. Perhaps there are more grammar errors to be found. --[[User:Geo\|Geo]] 17:53, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Geo: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */

2012-12-22T22:53:15Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.

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	: Have no problem with using that as a source, as long as it is properly cited, of course. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:24, 22 December 2012 (EST)		: Have no problem with using that as a source, as long as it is properly cited, of course. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:24, 22 December 2012 (EST)

			:: Copy that. Made a few extra text corrections I bumped into while adding the planet text lines. Haven't read through the planet sections though. Perhaps there are more grammar errors to be found.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */ reply

2012-12-22T21:24:18Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.: reply

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	''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)		''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)

			: Have no problem with using that as a source, as long as it is properly cited, of course. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 16:24, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Geo at 15:46, 22 December 2012

2012-12-22T15:46:28Z

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	In any case, I propose a few additions in the Star System section of the article:		In any case, I propose a few additions in the Star System section of the article:
	<blockquote>		<blockquote>Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.<br/></blockquote><blockquote>Picon - This colony has an inclined orbit.<br/></blockquote><blockquote>Sagittaron - A barren, mountainous world.<br/></blockquote><blockquote>Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.</blockquote>
	Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.

	Picon - This colony has an inclined orbit.

	Sagittaron - A barren, mountainous world.

	Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.
	</blockquote>
	All this is info that can be seen on the map of the 12 colonies, and it fills the gap after their names in this part of the article.		All this is info that can be seen on the map of the 12 colonies, and it fills the gap after their names in this part of the article.

Geo: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */

2012-12-22T15:45:47Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.

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	== A few small addition proposals, and corrections. ==		== A few small addition proposals, and corrections. ==

	Regarding the Cyrannus system article, I wanted confirmation on what kind of sources can be used for the article.		Regarding the Cyrannus system article, I wanted confirmation on what kind of sources can be used for the article. The map of the 12 colonies seems a given, and of course visual/audio stuff from the series. But is the DK Eyewitness Travel Guide "Beyond Caprica" regarded as a source?
	The map of the 12 colonies seems a given, and of course visual/audio stuff from the series. But is the DK Eyewitness Travel Guide "Beyond Caprica" regarded as a source?

	In any case, I propose a few additions in the Star System section of the article:		In any case, I propose a few additions in the Star System section of the article:
			<blockquote>
	Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.		Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.

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	Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.		Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.
			</blockquote>
	All this is info that can be seen on the map of the 12 colonies, and it fills the gap after their names in this part of the article.		All this is info that can be seen on the map of the 12 colonies, and it fills the gap after their names in this part of the article.

	In the Ophion section, I suppose the description "rouge planet" is supposed to be "rogue planet"?		In the Ophion section, I suppose the description "rouge planet" is supposed to be "rogue planet"?

	In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.".		In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.". Clearly, the capital no longer is small fishing village. ;) See current text below.
	Clearly, the capital no longer is small fishing village. ;)
	See current text below.

	''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)		''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)

Geo: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */

2012-12-22T15:44:05Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.

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	Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.		Leonis - The largest colonized planet in the Cyrannus system.

	Picon - This colony has an inclined orbit.		Picon - This colony has an inclined orbit.

	Sagittaron - A barren, mountainous world.		Sagittaron - A barren, mountainous world.

	Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.		Aquaria - The coldest colony, with the most eccentric orbit of all the 12 colonies.

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	In the Ophion section, I suppose the description "rouge planet" is supposed to be "rogue planet"?		In the Ophion section, I suppose the description "rouge planet" is supposed to be "rogue planet"?


	In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.".		In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.".

Geo: /* A few small addition proposals, and corrections. */

2012-12-22T15:43:25Z

A few small addition proposals, and corrections.

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	In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.".		In the Picon section, I propose to add "which started as" before "a relatively small fishing village.".
	Clearly, the capital no longer a is small fishing village. ;)		Clearly, the capital no longer is small fishing village. ;)
	See current text below.		See current text below.

	''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)		''Picon was a turquoise planet, containing 75% water, and famous for its harbors (TRS: The Plan). The capital city was Queenstown, a relatively small fishing village.'' -- [[User:Geo\|Geo]] 10:42, 22 December 2012 (EST)

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	== Aquaria = Aquarion! ==		== Aquaria = Aquarion! ==

	[[~~Image~~:Itscalledaquarion.PNG\|right\|thumb\|200px\|Aquarion.]]		[[File:Itscalledaquarion.PNG\|right\|thumb\|200px\|Aquarion.]]
	Who changed Aquarion back to ''Aquaria''? The name ''Aquaria'' is a Mary McDonnell mispronunciation (much in the same vein as Leoben ''Conroy''). I have clear visual evidence from the props used on the series (sold on the Propworx Ebay auction), that the colony's name is written as '''Aquarion''' and not Aquaria.		Who changed Aquarion back to ''Aquaria''? The name ''Aquaria'' is a Mary McDonnell mispronunciation (much in the same vein as Leoben ''Conroy''). I have clear visual evidence from the props used on the series (sold on the Propworx Ebay auction), that the colony's name is written as '''Aquarion''' and not Aquaria.

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	== Libran vs Tauron City ==		== Libran vs Tauron City ==

	[[~~Image~~:Libran.png\|thumb]] [[~~Image~~:TauronCity.JPG\|thumb]]		[[File:Libran.png\|thumb]] [[File:TauronCity.JPG\|thumb]]
	As BlueResistance noted, the city that was thought to show Libran in "The Plan" bears a striking resemblance to Tauron City (as seen in "Know Thy Enemy"). I don't think there was a caption in the "The Plan" - the city was simply seen when the Hybrid talked about Libran. I'd say they're supposed to be the same city. -- [[User:Penumbra\|Penumbra]] 13:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)		As BlueResistance noted, the city that was thought to show Libran in "The Plan" bears a striking resemblance to Tauron City (as seen in "Know Thy Enemy"). I don't think there was a caption in the "The Plan" - the city was simply seen when the Hybrid talked about Libran. I'd say they're supposed to be the same city. -- [[User:Penumbra\|Penumbra]] 13:37, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
	:It's possible, but I'm inclined to disagree. During the Hybrid's "burning" roll call, at least two of the Colonies unambiguously line up with what's on screen: "the harbors of Picon" and "the cities of Caprica" are spoken along with shots of a harbor and of Caprica City. Also, she (it?) says, "The pastures of Tauron are burning" pretty early, so it would be kind of odd to wait so long between saying something about Tauron and showing it. I'm guessing that the production recycled the shot as a cost-saving measure, and as something they could get away with relatively easily, since it's unlikely that they'll show Tauron City again, if at all. It wouldn't be the first CG error in ''Galactica''/''Caprica''. Anyway, let's see what other comments come in before changing images again. - [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 16:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)		:It's possible, but I'm inclined to disagree. During the Hybrid's "burning" roll call, at least two of the Colonies unambiguously line up with what's on screen: "the harbors of Picon" and "the cities of Caprica" are spoken along with shots of a harbor and of Caprica City. Also, she (it?) says, "The pastures of Tauron are burning" pretty early, so it would be kind of odd to wait so long between saying something about Tauron and showing it. I'm guessing that the production recycled the shot as a cost-saving measure, and as something they could get away with relatively easily, since it's unlikely that they'll show Tauron City again, if at all. It wouldn't be the first CG error in ''Galactica''/''Caprica''. Anyway, let's see what other comments come in before changing images again. - [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 16:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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	== Picture descriptions + main picture ==		== Picture descriptions + main picture ==

	[[~~Image~~:Bsyashuman.jpg\|thumb\|Current main picture of the article.]]		[[File:Bsyashuman.jpg\|thumb\|Current main picture of the article.]]
	I removed the episode information from the picture descriptions. I think they look much cleaner and more concise that way - especially given that the article is already filled with a lot of links and the new episode citation method would make the descriptions even more cramped. I really don't know whether there's an official style guide regarding picture desriptions but articles throughout the wiki use (and even mix) both methods (with and without episodes).		I removed the episode information from the picture descriptions. I think they look much cleaner and more concise that way - especially given that the article is already filled with a lot of links and the new episode citation method would make the descriptions even more cramped. I really don't know whether there's an official style guide regarding picture desriptions but articles throughout the wiki use (and even mix) both methods (with and without episodes).

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	:Main picture: How 'bout [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Colonial_Seal.svg this]? And I agree that picture descriptions should not include episode titles, unless it's really necessary to put that picture in the right context. --[[User:Pedda\|Pedda]] 15:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)		:Main picture: How 'bout [http://media.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/File:Colonial_Seal.svg this]? And I agree that picture descriptions should not include episode titles, unless it's really necessary to put that picture in the right context. --[[User:Pedda\|Pedda]] 15:41, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
	:: Oh, like that picture. Fits well with the flags. -- [[User:Penumbra\|Penumbra]] 16:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)		:: Oh, like that picture. Fits well with the flags. -- [[User:Penumbra\|Penumbra]] 16:01, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
	[[~~Image~~:capricanflagandseal.jpg\|thumb\|Caprican flag with Colonial Seal, prior to unification.]]		[[File:capricanflagandseal.jpg\|thumb\|Caprican flag with Colonial Seal, prior to unification.]]
	:: Hmm... Not so sure about this, simply because I haven't seen any evidence of this symbol in ''Caprica''. As I recall, it comes after the whole unification thing, or at least it's supposed to. Still, I love the idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)		:: Hmm... Not so sure about this, simply because I haven't seen any evidence of this symbol in ''Caprica''. As I recall, it comes after the whole unification thing, or at least it's supposed to. Still, I love the idea. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:15, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
	::: I ''know'' we've seen the seal here and there in Caprica, but I can't quite remember where-- at the Pyramid matches, maybe? I don't have time to rewatch every episode of Caprica hunting around for it, unfortunately, but it's in the background sometimes. -- [[User:Rjinswand\|Rjinswand]] 06:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)		::: I ''know'' we've seen the seal here and there in Caprica, but I can't quite remember where-- at the Pyramid matches, maybe? I don't have time to rewatch every episode of Caprica hunting around for it, unfortunately, but it's in the background sometimes. -- [[User:Rjinswand\|Rjinswand]] 06:36, 24 March 2010 (UTC)