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Steelviper: /* Dubbing/Muting */ noteworthy?

2008-09-09T21:25:41Z

Dubbing/Muting: noteworthy?

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	During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)		During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
	: SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)		: SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
			::Awesome! Having an inside source is great! Is that noteworthy on the episode guide? It looks like they decided to downplay the paranoia/internal suspicion angle (maybe they thought it'd point too quickly to the actual answer), but failed to cut out that part of the scene. I'm no editing expert, but it seems like it would've been better just to snip the part where Adama was saying that first part. The RDM podcast is still going on about the cat at that point, so I'm not sure how much more illumination we'll get on this particular snafu. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Dubbing/Muting */ reply

2008-09-09T20:35:00Z

Dubbing/Muting: reply

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	During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)		During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
			: SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Steelviper: /* Dubbing/Muting */ new section

2008-09-09T20:25:35Z

Dubbing/Muting: new section

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	::I've added the dialogue I thought was worth mentioning, but I'm a little uncertain of what you could drop. Perhaps the initial Lampkin quotes, or parts of Cally Tyrol or Kelly? --[[User:Alfryd\|Alfryd]]		::I've added the dialogue I thought was worth mentioning, but I'm a little uncertain of what you could drop. Perhaps the initial Lampkin quotes, or parts of Cally Tyrol or Kelly? --[[User:Alfryd\|Alfryd]]

			== Dubbing/Muting ==

			During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Alfryd: /* More Lampkin. */

2007-05-01T20:09:58Z

More Lampkin.

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	:Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

			::I've added the dialogue I thought was worth mentioning, but I'm a little uncertain of what you could drop. Perhaps the initial Lampkin quotes, or parts of Cally Tyrol or Kelly? --[[User:Alfryd\|Alfryd]]

Serenity: /* More Lampkin. */

2007-05-01T13:24:53Z

More Lampkin.

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	== More Lampkin. ==		== More Lampkin. ==

	Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention. {{unsigned ~~comment~~\|Alfryd}}		Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention. {{unsigned\|Alfryd}}

	:Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)		:Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Serenity: /* More Lampkin. */

2007-05-01T13:20:28Z

More Lampkin.

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	== More Lampkin. ==		== More Lampkin. ==

	Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention.		Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention. {{unsigned comment\|Alfryd}}

			:Sure. The section is already rather long, but there are some that could be deleted in favor of others. Anything specific you have in mind? Feel free to add it yourself if you want. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:20, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Alfryd: More Lampkin.

2007-05-01T11:45:55Z

More Lampkin.

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	::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
	:::He broke it, they bought it. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 16:10, 15 March 2007 (CDT)		:::He broke it, they bought it. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 16:10, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

			== More Lampkin. ==

			Romo seemed entitled to a lot further mention by way of 'noteworthy dialogue,' if we're giving people like Kelly a word in. His insights into Lee's character and potential hints at the Cylon outlook on humanity are definitely worthy of mention.

Slander: /* Adama's model ship */

2007-03-15T21:10:53Z

Adama's model ship

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	:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
	::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
			:::He broke it, they bought it. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 16:10, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

Gordon Ecker: /* Lampkin's "kleptomania" */

2007-03-15T05:30:02Z

Lampkin's "kleptomania"

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	:I can see reasons for the thefts, they're aren't really random to me. He took Roslin's glasses so that she wouldn't be taken so seriously during the trial, thus setting the atmosphere in the trial. He took the prosecuting attorney's shoe so he can figure out how what kind of person she is, which Apollo correctly stated as she "drags her feet." He took Baltar's pen so he could use it to manipulate Caprica-Six. Even the photo that Lampkin said he restrained himself from taking from Apollo was manipulative in that he used that to again pierce through Apollo's defenses. I think he's using the kleptomania as a rationale for when he is caught. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 09:58, 13 March 2007 (CDT)		:I can see reasons for the thefts, they're aren't really random to me. He took Roslin's glasses so that she wouldn't be taken so seriously during the trial, thus setting the atmosphere in the trial. He took the prosecuting attorney's shoe so he can figure out how what kind of person she is, which Apollo correctly stated as she "drags her feet." He took Baltar's pen so he could use it to manipulate Caprica-Six. Even the photo that Lampkin said he restrained himself from taking from Apollo was manipulative in that he used that to again pierce through Apollo's defenses. I think he's using the kleptomania as a rationale for when he is caught. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 09:58, 13 March 2007 (CDT)
	::Psychological disorders are rarely so cut-and-dried. Most kleptomaniacs focus on stealing specific kinds of items. It's also quite possible that, as a way of coping with his kleptomania, Lampkin has learned to focus it as part of his manipulations. This is not unlike how, for example, people with manic-depression are taught to channel their moods in a productive manner. Even the seemingly-useless things, like Admiral Adama's button and Kelly's detonator casing, were taken to point Lee in specific directions, so he obviously doesn't just steal at random. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 10:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)		::Psychological disorders are rarely so cut-and-dried. Most kleptomaniacs focus on stealing specific kinds of items. It's also quite possible that, as a way of coping with his kleptomania, Lampkin has learned to focus it as part of his manipulations. This is not unlike how, for example, people with manic-depression are taught to channel their moods in a productive manner. Even the seemingly-useless things, like Admiral Adama's button and Kelly's detonator casing, were taken to point Lee in specific directions, so he obviously doesn't just steal at random. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 10:18, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

			:::It's also explicitly called kleptomania in the podcast. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 00:30, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

	== Helo as CAG ==		== Helo as CAG ==

Serenity: /* Adama's model ship */

2007-03-14T20:13:43Z

Adama's model ship

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	Contrary to the note added to "[[Maelstrom]]", I think it's still destroyed. What Adama damaged was the masts and rigging, then he threw it off the table. But the rest could have survived that fall more or less intact. In "The Son Also Rises" it's still damaged. He just put the broken masts on top, but they lean very noticeably to the side. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:27, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		Contrary to the note added to "[[Maelstrom]]", I think it's still destroyed. What Adama damaged was the masts and rigging, then he threw it off the table. But the rest could have survived that fall more or less intact. In "The Son Also Rises" it's still damaged. He just put the broken masts on top, but they lean very noticeably to the side. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:27, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
			:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
	::Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)

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	During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)		During an exchange between the Adama's, something the Admiral says is muted. Lee asks, "So that's it. You're grounding me?" The Admiral's lips move for a bit (no audio or subtitles), then he adds (audibly) "And you're the only one I can trust." (Though the subtitles omit the "And".) Does anybody (maybe with mad lip-reading skills) have any idea what he says? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 20:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
	: SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)		: SC 20, Full 2nd Blue (11/6/06) version of the script has Adama's reply as: "If whoever's doing this is one of our own, you're the only one I can trust." -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
			::Awesome! Having an inside source is great! Is that noteworthy on the episode guide? It looks like they decided to downplay the paranoia/internal suspicion angle (maybe they thought it'd point too quickly to the actual answer), but failed to cut out that part of the scene. I'm no editing expert, but it seems like it would've been better just to snip the part where Adama was saying that first part. The RDM podcast is still going on about the cat at that point, so I'm not sure how much more illumination we'll get on this particular snafu. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:25, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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	:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
	::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
			:::He broke it, they bought it. --[[User:Slander\|Slander]] 16:10, 15 March 2007 (CDT)

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	Contrary to the note added to "[[Maelstrom]]", I think it's still destroyed. What Adama damaged was the masts and rigging, then he threw it off the table. But the rest could have survived that fall more or less intact. In "The Son Also Rises" it's still damaged. He just put the broken masts on top, but they lean very noticeably to the side. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:27, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		Contrary to the note added to "[[Maelstrom]]", I think it's still destroyed. What Adama damaged was the masts and rigging, then he threw it off the table. But the rest could have survived that fall more or less intact. In "The Son Also Rises" it's still damaged. He just put the broken masts on top, but they lean very noticeably to the side. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:27, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
			:Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)
	::Can someone get a screenshot of the damaged ship? From how he totally ripped the thing apart, I would be surprised that they would even keep the model around. --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 14:58, 14 March 2007 (CDT)		::He only ripped apart the rigging. Maybe the prop department made a "fake" destroyed ship. Being in the background it doesn't even need that much detail. [http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/8-4-7-2/BSG/AdamaShip.jpg Here] you can clearly see that the masts aren't intact, though one could argue that they should be more broken. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:13, 14 March 2007 (CDT)