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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Dogger55: /* Fourth squadron leader */

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Fourth squadron leader

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	::::I don't think that the camera ever pans over to where we can see the 4th leader. I got the ep on iTunes, but I have a season pass.		::::I don't think that the camera ever pans over to where we can see the 4th leader. I got the ep on iTunes, but I have a season pass.
	:::::I do too, it doesn't pan over to the first squadron, but judging by the fact that Showboat is in the fourth squadron, it has to be another Captain, maybe Stinger. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 06:47, 10 December 2006 (CST)		:::::I do too, it doesn't pan over to the first squadron, but judging by the fact that Showboat is in the fourth squadron, it has to be another Captain, maybe Stinger. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 06:47, 10 December 2006 (CST)

			:The other squadron leader is Delphi "[[Falcon#Falcon\|Falcon]]" Birch. I love my Blu-Ray. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 19:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

	==Jupiter = Zeus==		==Jupiter = Zeus==

Dogger55: /* Why No Plan B? */

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Why No Plan B?

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	== Why No Plan B? ==		== Why No Plan B? ==

	Since Athena had already made the journey, she must have had the coordinates for the jumps she made to get to the Algae planet. Why not give the coordinates to the civilian ships before they began, for use in the event that they got separated from their escorts? It might not work, but it seems safer than a [[~~Pegasus\|~~blind jump]] and it beats certain death in the radiation. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 16:42, 8 July 2011 (EDT)		Since Athena had already made the journey, she must have had the coordinates for the jumps she made to get to the Algae planet. Why not give the coordinates to the civilian ships before they began, for use in the event that they got separated from their escorts? It might not work, but it seems safer than a [[blind jump]] and it beats certain death in the radiation. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 16:42, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Dogger55: /* Why No Plan B? */

2011-07-08T20:42:37Z

Why No Plan B?

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	== Why No Plan B? ==		== Why No Plan B? ==

	Since Athena had already made the journey, she must have had the coordinates for the jumps she made to get to the Algae planet. Why not give the coordinates to the civilian ships before they began, for use in the event that they got separated from their escorts? It might not work, but it seems safer than a [[Pegasus\|blind jump]] and it beats certain death in the radiation.		Since Athena had already made the journey, she must have had the coordinates for the jumps she made to get to the Algae planet. Why not give the coordinates to the civilian ships before they began, for use in the event that they got separated from their escorts? It might not work, but it seems safer than a [[Pegasus\|blind jump]] and it beats certain death in the radiation. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 16:42, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Dogger55: /* Why No Plan B? */ new section

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Why No Plan B?: new section

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	So, am I right in saying that our intrepid fugitives just travelled through a [[Wikipedia:Globular cluster\|globular star cluster]]? If so, according to the info on Wikipedia, doesn't that give us a hint as to where in the galaxy they might be- "orbits the galactic core as a satellite"? -[[User:Madbrood\|Madbrood]] 13:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)		So, am I right in saying that our intrepid fugitives just travelled through a [[Wikipedia:Globular cluster\|globular star cluster]]? If so, according to the info on Wikipedia, doesn't that give us a hint as to where in the galaxy they might be- "orbits the galactic core as a satellite"? -[[User:Madbrood\|Madbrood]] 13:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)

			== Why No Plan B? ==

			Since Athena had already made the journey, she must have had the coordinates for the jumps she made to get to the Algae planet. Why not give the coordinates to the civilian ships before they began, for use in the event that they got separated from their escorts? It might not work, but it seems safer than a [[Pegasus\|blind jump]] and it beats certain death in the radiation.

Madbrood at 19:54, 9 January 2007

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	And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)		And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)
	:As discussed elsewhere on this page, the extreme heat would melt the Raptors to the ships if they tried an attach-move. Also not all ships have landing bays able to harbor a Raptor. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 08:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)		:As discussed elsewhere on this page, the extreme heat would melt the Raptors to the ships if they tried an attach-move. Also not all ships have landing bays able to harbor a Raptor. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 08:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)

			==Clue to The Fleet's location?==

			So, am I right in saying that our intrepid fugitives just travelled through a [[Wikipedia:Globular cluster\|globular star cluster]]? If so, according to the info on Wikipedia, doesn't that give us a hint as to where in the galaxy they might be- "orbits the galactic core as a satellite"? -[[User:Madbrood\|Madbrood]] 13:54, 9 January 2007 (CST)

TaKometer: /* Logic Holes. */

2007-01-04T08:58:22Z

Logic Holes.

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	So was the impenetrable radioactive gas Cloud slash Star Cluster Thingee that they absolutely ''had'' to go through (which they somehow could detect an algae-rich planet through), completely enveloping the entirety of the solar system, like a shell? Because, if it wasn't, no matter how big it was, they could've just gone around without, you know, people having to die. And there is not much of an excuse for not going around (cannot be circumnavigated? -- space is three dimensional) considering the vast amounts of space they have crossed in the past, even just getting to that point. Yeah, they haven't much food left, but folks can survive a few extra days without food; they can't eventually eat their protein mush if half the ships are dead or lost in a rather unpleasant... uh... Cloud Thing.		So was the impenetrable radioactive gas Cloud slash Star Cluster Thingee that they absolutely ''had'' to go through (which they somehow could detect an algae-rich planet through), completely enveloping the entirety of the solar system, like a shell? Because, if it wasn't, no matter how big it was, they could've just gone around without, you know, people having to die. And there is not much of an excuse for not going around (cannot be circumnavigated? -- space is three dimensional) considering the vast amounts of space they have crossed in the past, even just getting to that point. Yeah, they haven't much food left, but folks can survive a few extra days without food; they can't eventually eat their protein mush if half the ships are dead or lost in a rather unpleasant... uh... Cloud Thing.

			:There are many very plausible explanations. For example: They got to the star cluster and then their food got contaminated, reviewed astrometric logs and noticed that the algae planet was there, but oops, it's too late to go around.[[User:TaKometer\|TaKometer]] 02:58, 4 January 2007 (CST)

	And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)		And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)
	:As discussed elsewhere on this page, the extreme heat would melt the Raptors to the ships if they tried an attach-move. Also not all ships have landing bays able to harbor a Raptor. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 08:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)		:As discussed elsewhere on this page, the extreme heat would melt the Raptors to the ships if they tried an attach-move. Also not all ships have landing bays able to harbor a Raptor. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 08:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Catrope: /* Logic Holes. */

2006-12-22T14:07:22Z

Logic Holes.

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	And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)		And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)
			:As discussed elsewhere on this page, the extreme heat would melt the Raptors to the ships if they tried an attach-move. Also not all ships have landing bays able to harbor a Raptor. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 08:07, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Jeffrey O. Gustafson: Logic Holes.

2006-12-22T12:45:47Z

Logic Holes.

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	:::::The Cylons, as a race, are extremely young (probably no less than 75 years old). Therefore, they likely don't know how to ask or even how to interpret any answers, since they don't have a history of their own that doesn't directly tie in to human history. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:38, 15 December 2006 (CST)		:::::The Cylons, as a race, are extremely young (probably no less than 75 years old). Therefore, they likely don't know how to ask or even how to interpret any answers, since they don't have a history of their own that doesn't directly tie in to human history. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 15:38, 15 December 2006 (CST)
	::::::What Joe said, which clarifies my earlier comment. The Cylons are intelligent, no doubt. But they lack the ''context'' to understand all the data in front of them, while, to humans, context is easy to grasp. Note the difference in how both races felt about the Lion's Head probe. The Cylons thought (and still continue to believe, it seems) it was a ruse for the virus, while the Colonials understood its significance immediately. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:54, 15 December 2006 (CST)		::::::What Joe said, which clarifies my earlier comment. The Cylons are intelligent, no doubt. But they lack the ''context'' to understand all the data in front of them, while, to humans, context is easy to grasp. Note the difference in how both races felt about the Lion's Head probe. The Cylons thought (and still continue to believe, it seems) it was a ruse for the virus, while the Colonials understood its significance immediately. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:54, 15 December 2006 (CST)

			== Logic Holes. ==

			So was the impenetrable radioactive gas Cloud slash Star Cluster Thingee that they absolutely ''had'' to go through (which they somehow could detect an algae-rich planet through), completely enveloping the entirety of the solar system, like a shell? Because, if it wasn't, no matter how big it was, they could've just gone around without, you know, people having to die. And there is not much of an excuse for not going around (cannot be circumnavigated? -- space is three dimensional) considering the vast amounts of space they have crossed in the past, even just getting to that point. Yeah, they haven't much food left, but folks can survive a few extra days without food; they can't eventually eat their protein mush if half the ships are dead or lost in a rather unpleasant... uh... Cloud Thing.

			And the one that really got to me... They needed the raptors to calculate the jumps and guide the civilian ships through the Unpleasant Radioactive Hot Death Field of Pain, but, the Bad Cloud of Yellow Ouch made stuff hard to see, causing lost ships and dead people. So, why not just attach the raptors to the ships, or hell, ride inside? They would know exactly where their target ship was because they would be in/on it, and they could safely, quickly, calculate the jump through the Big Bad Chernobyl Cloud to the Algea Smothered Planet of Infinite Convenience and Coincidence. Just a thought. --[[User:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] [[User_Talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson\|<*>]] 06:45, 22 December 2006 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Arguing with thyself */ reply

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Arguing with thyself: reply

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	*So is the info in the William Adama wiki page here inaccurate? The article makes the distinction between Caroline and Anne. Which is right? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:17, 18 December 2006 (CST)		*So is the info in the William Adama wiki page here inaccurate? The article makes the distinction between Caroline and Anne. Which is right? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:17, 18 December 2006 (CST)

			*It seems that may be possible, though it's distinctly unclear which is correct... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:23, 18 December 2006 (CST)

	== How does the Hybrid know where earth is? ==		== How does the Hybrid know where earth is? ==

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	:: Nevermind. I remembered that Selloi did say that Hera was wife to Zeus. Unless Hera had two husbands, Jupiter must be an alternate name for Zeus. [[User:Alpha5099\|Alpha5099]] 19:20, 10 December 2006 (CST)		:: Nevermind. I remembered that Selloi did say that Hera was wife to Zeus. Unless Hera had two husbands, Jupiter must be an alternate name for Zeus. [[User:Alpha5099\|Alpha5099]] 19:20, 10 December 2006 (CST)

	Hera's roman equivalent is Juno, but it's clearly stated that Hera and Jupiter were spouses. At the same time, Zeus has been referred to numerous times. I think it's safe to suppose that they're just alternate names. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:33, 11 December 2006 (CST)		Hera's roman equivalent is Juno, but it's clearly stated that Hera and Jupiter were spouses. At the same time, Zeus has been referred to numerous times. I think it's safe to suppose that they're just alternate names. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:33, 11 December 2006 (CST)

	Espenson shed some light on this: http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/ -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:33, 11 December 2006 (CST)		Espenson shed some light on this: http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/12/11/jane-espenson-on-post-the-passage-questions/ -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 20:33, 11 December 2006 (CST)
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	==Carol-Anne?==		==Carol-Anne?==

	Did Bill Adama refer to his wife as Carol-Anne in the sickbay scene? That would clear things up immeasurably with regard to [[Caroline Adama\|Caroline]] and [[Anne Adama]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:44, 10 December 2006 (CST)		Did Bill Adama refer to his wife as Carol-Anne in the sickbay scene? That would clear things up immeasurably with regard to [[Caroline Adama\|Caroline]] and [[Anne Adama]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:44, 10 December 2006 (CST)

	:I thought the same thing, but he has such a gruff voice it's hard to be sure. Maybe someone will know what the subtitles said? --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 10:36, 11 December 2006 (CST)		:I thought the same thing, but he has such a gruff voice it's hard to be sure. Maybe someone will know what the subtitles said? --[[User:Pearse\|Pearse]] 10:36, 11 December 2006 (CST)
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	==Three killing herself softly==		==Three killing herself softly==
	I'm having a tough time believing that no one is noticing that D'Anna is having herself killed, even if the centurion is wiping it's logs. At the very least, she must have some accomplices helping her in the resurrection chamber.[[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 18:54, 10 December 2006 (CST)		I'm having a tough time believing that no one is noticing that D'Anna is having herself killed, even if the centurion is wiping it's logs. At the very least, she must have some accomplices helping her in the resurrection chamber.[[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 18:54, 10 December 2006 (CST)
	:Agreed, it seems unlikely. Perhaps she's being aided by other Threes? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:31, 11 December 2006 (CST)		:Agreed, it seems unlikely. Perhaps she's being aided by other Threes? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:31, 11 December 2006 (CST)
	::in [[Hero]], it was clearly shown as a Three, Five, Six, and an Eight. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 15:21, 17 December 2006 (CST)		::in [[Hero]], it was clearly shown as a Three, Five, Six, and an Eight. [[User:Belay-down-your-burdens\|Belay-down-your-burdens]] 15:21, 17 December 2006 (CST)
	:Centurions are always good accomplices. A Centurion could figure out where she'd download to and run there faster than a skinjob could. Three also made some drawings, and the most efficient way to do that is to have a Centurion ready with paper and pencils the second she ressurrects. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 11:25, 12 December 2006 (CST)		:Centurions are always good accomplices. A Centurion could figure out where she'd download to and run there faster than a skinjob could. Three also made some drawings, and the most efficient way to do that is to have a Centurion ready with paper and pencils the second she ressurrects. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 11:25, 12 December 2006 (CST)
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	Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 18:14, 12 December 2006 (CST)		Thanks! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 18:14, 12 December 2006 (CST)

	:The first bullet point was mine, and I will defend it as-is. The second represents my older opinion, and is by no means a re-wording of the above point. If it is to stay I think it needs to present new argumentation. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:43, 15 December 2006 (CST)		:The first bullet point was mine, and I will defend it as-is. The second represents my older opinion, and is by no means a re-wording of the above point. If it is to stay I think it needs to present new argumentation. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:43, 15 December 2006 (CST)

	*So is the info in the William Adama wiki page here inaccurate? The article makes the distinction between Caroline and Anne. Which is right? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:17, 18 December 2006 (CST)		*So is the info in the William Adama wiki page here inaccurate? The article makes the distinction between Caroline and Anne. Which is right? --[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 13:17, 18 December 2006 (CST)