Talk:The Music/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:58:21Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?		Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?

	--[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

	:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)		:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

	::I think that it's probably an accidental lift, if he was familiar with the song at all. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 06:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)		::I think that it's probably an accidental lift, if he was familiar with the song at all. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 06:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus: /* Weezer */

2009-07-04T06:11:31Z

Weezer

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	:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)		:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

			::I think that it's probably an accidental lift, if he was familiar with the song at all. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 06:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Spencerian: /* Weezer */ --thoughts

2009-06-29T21:33:46Z

Weezer: --thoughts

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	--[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

			:If I were a copyright attorney, I would. Could it be more coincidental, or an homage of some kind to the song, or allusion? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:33, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus: /* Weezer */

2009-06-29T00:14:28Z

Weezer

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	Has anyone noticed that the final four theme is a (possibly inadvertent) lift from Weezer's "Beverly Hills"? In particular, interval sequence		Has anyone noticed that the final four theme is a (possibly inadvertent) lift from Weezer's "Beverly Hills"? In particular, interval sequence

	Descending minor second		*Descending minor second
	Descending major third		*Descending major third
	Ascending perfect fourth		*Ascending perfect fourth
	Descending minor second		*Descending minor second
	Descending major third		*Descending major third

	Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?		Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?

	--[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)		--[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus at 00:13, 29 June 2009

2009-06-29T00:13:54Z

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	==Copyvio concern==		==Copyvio concern==
	On the main Wikipedia, posting of copyrighted lyrics as has been done here is forbidden and such material is supposed to be taken down on sight. I don't know if the Battlestar Wiki works by different rules, but I'm uncomfortable having the lyrics to the song posted here, since they are copyright. Discussion of any changes made in the BSG context are fine, but especially now that the "real world" version of the song has become part of the canon via Daybreak, this might be asking for trouble. I'll defer to an admin or more experienced Battlestar Wiki editor on this. [[User:23skidoo\|23skidoo]] 13:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)		On the main Wikipedia, posting of copyrighted lyrics as has been done here is forbidden and such material is supposed to be taken down on sight. I don't know if the Battlestar Wiki works by different rules, but I'm uncomfortable having the lyrics to the song posted here, since they are copyright. Discussion of any changes made in the BSG context are fine, but especially now that the "real world" version of the song has become part of the canon via Daybreak, this might be asking for trouble. I'll defer to an admin or more experienced Battlestar Wiki editor on this. [[User:23skidoo\|23skidoo]] 13:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

			==Weezer==
			Has anyone noticed that the final four theme is a (possibly inadvertent) lift from Weezer's "Beverly Hills"? In particular, interval sequence

			Descending minor second
			Descending major third
			Ascending perfect fourth
			Descending minor second
			Descending major third

			Shows up with the lyrics "Living in Beverly". There it's A#, A, F, A#, A, F. In the final five theme it's A, G#, E, A, G#, E (a half step flatter). Is this worth mentioning?

			--[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:13, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

23skidoo: Copyvio concern

2009-03-23T13:48:44Z

Copyvio concern

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	According to the [[podcast:Revelations\|Revelations podcast]], the rhythm of the Colonial emergency locator beacon signal detected by [[Starbuck's Viper]] matched the tune of the Music. The Final Four first started hearing the music soon before Starbuck arrived in her Viper, and when the Four started hearing the Music in Revelations they were drawn towards the Viper. I suspect that the Viper is broadcasting or relaying a signal which causes the Music to be heard, is there enough evidence to warrent including this theory in the article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 03:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)		According to the [[podcast:Revelations\|Revelations podcast]], the rhythm of the Colonial emergency locator beacon signal detected by [[Starbuck's Viper]] matched the tune of the Music. The Final Four first started hearing the music soon before Starbuck arrived in her Viper, and when the Four started hearing the Music in Revelations they were drawn towards the Viper. I suspect that the Viper is broadcasting or relaying a signal which causes the Music to be heard, is there enough evidence to warrent including this theory in the article? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 03:31, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
	: Seems like it would be warranted... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)		: Seems like it would be warranted... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 03:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

			==Copyvio concern==
			On the main Wikipedia, posting of copyrighted lyrics as has been done here is forbidden and such material is supposed to be taken down on sight. I don't know if the Battlestar Wiki works by different rules, but I'm uncomfortable having the lyrics to the song posted here, since they are copyright. Discussion of any changes made in the BSG context are fine, but especially now that the "real world" version of the song has become part of the canon via Daybreak, this might be asking for trouble. I'll defer to an admin or more experienced Battlestar Wiki editor on this. [[User:23skidoo\|23skidoo]] 13:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

David cgc at 22:39, 22 March 2009

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	To match RDM's description of what the music's source is, the article is not named after the song title to avoid direct association with the "Earthly" version. RDM notes this song was, through some mystical source, created by someone on the Colonies. Until someone actually uses the song title in an episode, it's best to do that. A redirect with the song title points to here. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)		To match RDM's description of what the music's source is, the article is not named after the song title to avoid direct association with the "Earthly" version. RDM notes this song was, through some mystical source, created by someone on the Colonies. Until someone actually uses the song title in an episode, it's best to do that. A redirect with the song title points to here. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:13, 27 March 2007 (CDT)
			: Maybe it's time to reconsider this, since the finale explicitly tied Anders' and Slick's songs to the real-world version. -- [[User:David cgc\|David cgc]] 22:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Rag0094: /* The Music in Context */

2009-03-21T17:56:12Z

The Music in Context

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	::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)		::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)


	::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song. While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin. The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on." It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling. Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.

	::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established. Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection." It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection. Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel). Then again, that's just my hypothesis. What do others think? [[User:Rag0094\|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

	==iTunes==		==iTunes==

Rag0094: /* The Music in Context */

2009-03-15T07:06:39Z

The Music in Context

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	::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song. While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin. The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on." It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling. Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.		::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song. While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin. The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on." It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling. Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.

	::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established. Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection." It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection. Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel). Then again, that's just my hypothesis. [[User:Rag0094\|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)		::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established. Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection." It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection. Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel). Then again, that's just my hypothesis. What do others think? [[User:Rag0094\|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

	==iTunes==		==iTunes==

Rag0094: /* The Music in Context */

2009-03-15T07:05:40Z

The Music in Context

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	::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)		::Damn. Now I'll have to download this episode and tear it apart. Interesting find. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 08:34, 16 April 2007 (CDT)


			::Personally, I feel too much focus is given to the lyrical content of the song. While I am sure there is <i>some</i> significance to the lyrics, I feel their use was largely a maguffin. The recurring theme, which McCreary overlays during the performance of "All Along the Watchtower," is heard predominantly in "Heeding the Call," the actual piece of music McCreary composed for the sequence in which the Four "turn on." It is this same piece (I'm not a music expert, so I don't know if it's a theme, leitmotif, or what) which Kara plays on the piano, and the notes for which Hera has been scribbling. Starbuck is seen in Daybreak I comparing the actual notation of that music with a series of well known mathematical proofs.

			::The connection between music (acoustics) and physics and mathematics is well known, well studied, and well established. Therefore, it has been my conclusion since No Exit that The Music is not "All Along the Watchtower" in its lyrical content, or as arranged by Bob Dylan, but rather, it is the additions McCreary added to the piece; and that the Music is, in fact, the series of equations necessary to facilitate "Cylon Resurrection." It is likely to me that Anders wrote "All Along the Watchtower" in its Bob Dylan form, but composed the "Heeding the Call" additions to McCreary's version (as we hear in the closing moments of Crossroads) as a way to retain the equations for Resurrection. Remember, they only speak the lines from the first stanza of "All Along the Watchtower" in Crossroads while in their dazed state, but the actual music they hear which "turns them on" was from the track, "Heeding the Call," which is the same piece Kara's father taught her as a child (which tells me that Dreilide Thrace was poor Daniel). Then again, that's just my hypothesis. [[User:Rag0094\|Rag0094]] 07:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

	==iTunes==		==iTunes==