Talk:Saul Tigh/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Admiral */ reply

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	You really have got to hate on-set prop people. They should know the difference. You would think those dudes would watch the show they produce......Aaarrgh! Anyway, yea, I agree, it doesn't need to be listed. Though it was neat to see an Admiral Tigh.		You really have got to hate on-set prop people. They should know the difference. You would think those dudes would watch the show they produce......Aaarrgh! Anyway, yea, I agree, it doesn't need to be listed. Though it was neat to see an Admiral Tigh. {{unsigned\|DrBuckingham}}

			: Stuff like this does tend to happen all the time, so it's the nature of the beast. Having worked in the industry, it's very hectic and shoots that are assembled last minute tend to have some problems. (Some of those make it on screen.) Anyway, the error is noted in the [[Continuity errors (RDM)\|continuity errors]] article. (Now, as for Admiral Tigh, all he needs is a Cylon parrot and we'll be good.)-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:24, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

DrBuckingham: /* Admiral */

2010-06-17T20:16:05Z

Admiral

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	You really have got to hate on-set prop people. ~~The~~ should know the difference. You would think those dudes would watch the show they produce......Aaarrgh! Anyway, yea, I agree, it doesn't need to be listed. Though it was neat to see an Admiral Tigh.		You really have got to hate on-set prop people. They should know the difference. You would think those dudes would watch the show they produce......Aaarrgh! Anyway, yea, I agree, it doesn't need to be listed. Though it was neat to see an Admiral Tigh.

DrBuckingham: /* Admiral */

2010-06-17T20:13:34Z

Admiral

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	: This is a production frakup. As I recall, the scene in question was shot as a pickup (after most of the episode had already been shot) and the on-set prop guy grabbed the pins from Adama's personal box instead of from Tigh's personal box. That's the reason, so no need to read into this any more than it already has. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)		: This is a production frakup. As I recall, the scene in question was shot as a pickup (after most of the episode had already been shot) and the on-set prop guy grabbed the pins from Adama's personal box instead of from Tigh's personal box. That's the reason, so no need to read into this any more than it already has. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


			You really have got to hate on-set prop people. The should know the difference. You would think those dudes would watch the show they produce......Aaarrgh! Anyway, yea, I agree, it doesn't need to be listed. Though it was neat to see an Admiral Tigh.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Admiral */ tweak

2010-06-17T18:38:49Z

Admiral: tweak

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	In the episode "Escape Velocity" in season 4 at roughly time index 5:30, a scene between Tigh, Tory, and Tyrol ensues about Tyrol's actions at the funeral for Cally. During the shots of Tigh, you can clearly see him wearing Admiral's stars and the rank of Colonel. Anyone have an explanation of this? {{unsigned\|DrBuckingham}}		In the episode "Escape Velocity" in season 4 at roughly time index 5:30, a scene between Tigh, Tory, and Tyrol ensues about Tyrol's actions at the funeral for Cally. During the shots of Tigh, you can clearly see him wearing Admiral's stars and the rank of Colonel. Anyone have an explanation of this? {{unsigned\|DrBuckingham}}

	: This is a production frakup. As I recall, the scene in question was shot as a pickup (after most of the episode had already been shot) and the on-set prop guy grabbed the ~~wrong~~ pins from Adama's personal box. That's the reason, so no need to read into this any more than it already has. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)		: This is a production frakup. As I recall, the scene in question was shot as a pickup (after most of the episode had already been shot) and the on-set prop guy grabbed the pins from Adama's personal box instead of from Tigh's personal box. That's the reason, so no need to read into this any more than it already has. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Admiral */ reply

2010-06-17T18:37:02Z

Admiral: reply

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	==Admiral==		==Admiral==

	In the episode "Escape Velocity" in season 4 at roughly time index 5:30, a scene between Tigh, Tory, and Tyrol ensues about Tyrol's actions at the funeral for Cally. During the shots of Tigh, you can clearly see him wearing Admiral's stars and the rank of Colonel. Anyone have an explanation of this?		In the episode "Escape Velocity" in season 4 at roughly time index 5:30, a scene between Tigh, Tory, and Tyrol ensues about Tyrol's actions at the funeral for Cally. During the shots of Tigh, you can clearly see him wearing Admiral's stars and the rank of Colonel. Anyone have an explanation of this? {{unsigned\|DrBuckingham}}

			: This is a production frakup. As I recall, the scene in question was shot as a pickup (after most of the episode had already been shot) and the on-set prop guy grabbed the wrong pins from Adama's personal box. That's the reason, so no need to read into this any more than it already has. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

DrBuckingham at 17:33, 17 June 2010

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	Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences\|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)		Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences\|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

			==Admiral==

			In the episode "Escape Velocity" in season 4 at roughly time index 5:30, a scene between Tigh, Tory, and Tyrol ensues about Tyrol's actions at the funeral for Cally. During the shots of Tigh, you can clearly see him wearing Admiral's stars and the rank of Colonel. Anyone have an explanation of this?

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Info from miniseries deleted scene */ rm dead links

2010-03-16T15:07:23Z

Info from miniseries deleted scene: rm dead links

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	:Yeah, that is perfect for the Notes section. We also generally treat deleted scenes as relevant until contradicted. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:39, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, that is perfect for the Notes section. We also generally treat deleted scenes as relevant until contradicted. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:39, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
	::I suggest we therefore delete [[Saul Tigh (father of)]] and [[Saul Tigh (grandfather of)]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 12:54, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		::I suggest we therefore delete '''Saul Tigh (father of)''' and '''Saul Tigh (grandfather of)'''. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 12:54, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
	:::Yeah, only one page links to the grandfather article and as such the redirects don't make much sense. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:57, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		:::Yeah, only one page links to the grandfather article and as such the redirects don't make much sense. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:57, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

Str1977: /* Ol' One-Eye */

2009-03-31T10:14:27Z

Ol' One-Eye

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	:Speaking of Tigh's eye, should there be a reference to the Germanic/Norse god Wotan/Woden? I really know very little about mythology, but I read that this god sacrificed his eye so that he could gain wisdom. Fitting? Ironic? Irrelevant? --[[User:Drumstick\|Drumstick]] 19:14, 2 December 2006 (CST)		:Speaking of Tigh's eye, should there be a reference to the Germanic/Norse god Wotan/Woden? I really know very little about mythology, but I read that this god sacrificed his eye so that he could gain wisdom. Fitting? Ironic? Irrelevant? --[[User:Drumstick\|Drumstick]] 19:14, 2 December 2006 (CST)

			::Tigh lost an eye but he did NOT gain wisdom. If anything, he increased his hatred. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 10:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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Str1977: /* Tigh a cylon? Really? */

2009-03-31T09:54:33Z

Tigh a cylon? Really?

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	::In the latest episode (airing right now), Saul and No.6 discuss the fact that their baby will be the 'future of the Cylon race' and how it is evidence that they can procreate.[[User:Carmacao\|Carmacao]] 03:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)		::In the latest episode (airing right now), Saul and No.6 discuss the fact that their baby will be the 'future of the Cylon race' and how it is evidence that they can procreate.[[User:Carmacao\|Carmacao]] 03:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

	:::~~Joe~~, all the discrepancies you note can probably be explained as false memories. And given Tigh's consistenly inhuman behaviour, it actually makes sense that he is not human. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Grandmaster, all the discrepancies you note can probably be explained as false memories.
			:::The irony you note in Starbuck being a Cylon is just as present in Toaster-hating Tigh's case.
			:::And given Tigh's consistenly inhuman behaviour, it actually makes sense that he is not human.
			:::[[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

	==BCE==		==BCE==

	Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences\|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)		Please, take note of [[Talk:Timeline_(RDM)#BCE_occurences\|this issue]]. [[User:Str1977\|Str1977]] 09:51, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

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	:Yeah, that is perfect for the Notes section. We also generally treat deleted scenes as relevant until contradicted. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:39, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		:Yeah, that is perfect for the Notes section. We also generally treat deleted scenes as relevant until contradicted. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:39, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
	::I suggest we therefore delete [[Saul Tigh (father of)]] and [[Saul Tigh (grandfather of)]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 12:54, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		::I suggest we therefore delete '''Saul Tigh (father of)''' and '''Saul Tigh (grandfather of)'''. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 12:54, 18 July 2007 (CDT)
	:::Yeah, only one page links to the grandfather article and as such the redirects don't make much sense. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:57, 18 July 2007 (CDT)		:::Yeah, only one page links to the grandfather article and as such the redirects don't make much sense. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:57, 18 July 2007 (CDT)

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	In the commentary for ''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'', [[Ronald D. Moore\|Ron Moore]] states that [[William Adama\|Adama]] is younger than Tigh, and in addition to this, the fact that the [[Cylon War]] took place 40 years ago would obviously mean that he's <i>probably</i> not in his 50s, and <i>definitely</i> not in his mid-40s. Unless someone can argue against it, I'm changing these portions of the article. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 22:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)		In the commentary for ''[[Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down]]'', [[Ronald D. Moore\|Ron Moore]] states that [[William Adama\|Adama]] is younger than Tigh, and in addition to this, the fact that the [[Cylon War]] took place 40 years ago would obviously mean that he's <i>probably</i> not in his 50s, and <i>definitely</i> not in his mid-40s. Unless someone can argue against it, I'm changing these portions of the article. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 22:26, 26 October 2005 (EDT)

	:We're probalby going to get around to removing age information from most of the character articles soon. See [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:31, 27 October 2005 (EDT)		:We're probalby going to get around to removing age information from most of the character articles soon. See [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Citation Jihad]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:31, 27 October 2005 (EDT)

	::Even after completely discounting Adama's supposed age of 61 as a reference point, it's still reasonable to assume that both of them are in their 60s, due to reasons I already went into. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 23:49, 27 October 2005 (EDT)		::Even after completely discounting Adama's supposed age of 61 as a reference point, it's still reasonable to assume that both of them are in their 60s, due to reasons I already went into. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 23:49, 27 October 2005 (EDT)
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	:::Well. Remember that the war lasted for about 12 years (the Articles of Colonization were signed 52 years ago, which Moore [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 says] is coincident with the outbreak of hostilities, the war explicitly ended 40 years ago). If we guess that the age to enlist in the colonial military is 18, and Adama enlisted at the start, that would make him at most 70. If Tigh enlisted in the war's last year, that would make him at least 58.		:::Well. Remember that the war lasted for about 12 years (the Articles of Colonization were signed 52 years ago, which Moore [http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/04/index.html#a000025 says] is coincident with the outbreak of hostilities, the war explicitly ended 40 years ago). If we guess that the age to enlist in the colonial military is 18, and Adama enlisted at the start, that would make him at most 70. If Tigh enlisted in the war's last year, that would make him at least 58.

	:::Beyond that, I'm not sure what we can say with much certainty. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 05:26, 28 October 2005 (EDT)		:::Beyond that, I'm not sure what we can say with much certainty. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 05:26, 28 October 2005 (EDT)

	:::: It might be asserted that joinin' age is lower in the Colonies. Is it not 16 in some European nations? I could be wrong. Of course, heck, the lifespans of Colonials could be vastly different from ours. They drive space ships routinely. They have FLT drives. Surely they have some medical technologies that we don't. Maybe they just live longer. This has no basis whatsoever on anything seen on screen, but it's possible, which means that any guesses we make of age based on the actors' appearences is fairly irrelevant. Of course... 70 would be about right for retiring, wouldn't it? But if Tigh is older, why hadn't he retired already? Or was Adama getting an early retirement? In which case, is 70 an ''early'' retirement? That might speak to Colonial life expectancy. Anyway... most of that is just rambling. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 14:23, 28 October 2005 (EDT)		:::: It might be asserted that joinin' age is lower in the Colonies. Is it not 16 in some European nations? I could be wrong. Of course, heck, the lifespans of Colonials could be vastly different from ours. They drive space ships routinely. They have FLT drives. Surely they have some medical technologies that we don't. Maybe they just live longer. This has no basis whatsoever on anything seen on screen, but it's possible, which means that any guesses we make of age based on the actors' appearences is fairly irrelevant. Of course... 70 would be about right for retiring, wouldn't it? But if Tigh is older, why hadn't he retired already? Or was Adama getting an early retirement? In which case, is 70 an ''early'' retirement? That might speak to Colonial life expectancy. Anyway... most of that is just rambling. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 14:23, 28 October 2005 (EDT)
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	:::::Colonial military age is up to debate as Day stated, but we don't have to guess about when Adama joined the military. Moore also said in the same commentary I already referenced that he joined as a pilot in the last days of the war, which we <i>can</i> say with certainty was approximately 40 years ago. Tigh was also specifically said to have been slightly older than, and had seen more combat than Adama. Adding all of this together, we still come to the conclusion that both of them are most likely in their 60s. 10 years is a pretty safe margin of error. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 02:09, 29 October 2005 (EDT)		:::::Colonial military age is up to debate as Day stated, but we don't have to guess about when Adama joined the military. Moore also said in the same commentary I already referenced that he joined as a pilot in the last days of the war, which we <i>can</i> say with certainty was approximately 40 years ago. Tigh was also specifically said to have been slightly older than, and had seen more combat than Adama. Adding all of this together, we still come to the conclusion that both of them are most likely in their 60s. 10 years is a pretty safe margin of error. --[[User:Palpatine\|Palpatine]] 02:09, 29 October 2005 (EDT)

	::::::I'll have to double check that. It seems odd for Saul to refer to Bill as "the old man" if he's not at least a few years younger. Another interesting question - in our military, there's usually a provision for forced retirement if you get passed over for promotion for enough years. Does anyone know more about that? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:41, 29 October 2005 (EDT)		::::::I'll have to double check that. It seems odd for Saul to refer to Bill as "the old man" if he's not at least a few years younger. Another interesting question - in our military, there's usually a provision for forced retirement if you get passed over for promotion for enough years. Does anyone know more about that? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:41, 29 October 2005 (EDT)

	My main problem with age (per recent edits) is the lack of consistency between bios. We may be able to get Tigh's down to within a few years, but it's still awfully sloppy, and other pages aren't much better. My edits were based on this thread (now that Peter located it for me). But let consensus rule...calculating ages aren't my specialty. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 00:27, 20 January 2006 (EST)		My main problem with age (per recent edits) is the lack of consistency between bios. We may be able to get Tigh's down to within a few years, but it's still awfully sloppy, and other pages aren't much better. My edits were based on this thread (now that Peter located it for me). But let consensus rule...calculating ages aren't my specialty. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 00:27, 20 January 2006 (EST)
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	According to a deleted scene on the season 2 dvds, Tigh was a petty officer, an assistant gunner's mate, and still a teenager when his ship got boarded. This took place very early in the war and Tigh was still a teenager (more like Cally in age than Tyrol). Also, in the last week of the war, Adama was serving on the Galactica when it was boarded and the Cylons used the same tactics as in Valley of Darkness. Adama told Tigh what happened over a drink and this is how Tigh knew what was happening. In the boarding he was in, he was assigned to guard the ship's magazines. I'll add stuff to the main page later, just wanted to get y'alls opinion on this. It's late.--[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:53, 27 December 2005 (EST)		According to a deleted scene on the season 2 dvds, Tigh was a petty officer, an assistant gunner's mate, and still a teenager when his ship got boarded. This took place very early in the war and Tigh was still a teenager (more like Cally in age than Tyrol). Also, in the last week of the war, Adama was serving on the Galactica when it was boarded and the Cylons used the same tactics as in Valley of Darkness. Adama told Tigh what happened over a drink and this is how Tigh knew what was happening. In the boarding he was in, he was assigned to guard the ship's magazines. I'll add stuff to the main page later, just wanted to get y'alls opinion on this. It's late.--[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:53, 27 December 2005 (EST)

	:Ricimer and I had an extended conversation about this on [[Talk:Cylon War]] which you may wish to refer to. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:22, 27 December 2005 (EST)		:Ricimer and I had an extended conversation about this on [[Talk:Cylon War]] which you may wish to refer to. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:22, 27 December 2005 (EST)
	::Thanks, I had missed that. It was just something I noticed while watching my new dvds yesterday. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 11:38, 27 December 2005 (EST)		::Thanks, I had missed that. It was just something I noticed while watching my new dvds yesterday. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 11:38, 27 December 2005 (EST)