Talk:Ronald D. Moore/Archive 1 - Revision history

JubalHarshaw: /* Caprica */ -updated, next time be bold, by all means

2009-03-06T05:59:45Z

Caprica: -updated, next time be bold, by all means

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	I think the article's a little out of date with regards to the spin-off - isn't it true that it's been picked up by Sci-fi now?[[User:Ratface\|Ratface]] 21:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)		I think the article's a little out of date with regards to the spin-off - isn't it true that it's been picked up by Sci-fi now?[[User:Ratface\|Ratface]] 21:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
			:You're absolutely right. I've updated it, but in the future, [[BW:BOLD\|be bold]], my friend! [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 05:59, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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2009-03-05T21:50:51Z

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	I think the article's a little out of date with regards to the spin-off - isn't it true that it's been picked up by Sci-fi now?		I think the article's a little out of date with regards to the spin-off - isn't it true that it's been picked up by Sci-fi now?[[User:Ratface\|Ratface]] 21:50, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ratface: /* Caprica */ new section

2009-03-04T22:34:14Z

Caprica: new section

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	::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changes by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Sure, Moore certainly has clear ideas on where to take the show and steers the other writers, but he can also be swayed by them, and he can leave the details to others. If he signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changes by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Sure, Moore certainly has clear ideas on where to take the show and steers the other writers, but he can also be swayed by them, and he can leave the details to others. If he signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

			== Caprica ==

			I think the article's a little out of date with regards to the spin-off - isn't it true that it's been picked up by Sci-fi now?

Serenity: /* Moore as Head Writer */ last edit

2008-03-10T20:57:34Z

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	:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and ~~changed~~ by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. ~~Other people~~ can also ~~bring in their ideas~~ and ~~if Moore~~ signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changes by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Sure, Moore certainly has clear ideas on where to take the show and steers the other writers, but he can also be swayed by them, and he can leave the details to others. If he signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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	:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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	::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.		::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.
	::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	:::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
			::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Moore as Head Writer */ reply

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	::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
			:::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

Astralis at 20:31, 10 March 2008

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	::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.		::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.
	::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
			::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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 ==TheStreet.com Interview==
 Dean Stockwell will be back: that's not too big of a spoiler.  We don't see ships in the Fleet due to budgetary constraints; he mentioned this before in the Bastille Day commentary: they broke the budget on that episode.  My big concern with it was a clarification of Gina's motiviations.--[[User:The Merovingian|The Merovingian]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/The Merovingian|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/The Merovingian|E]])</sup> 20:35, 5 April 2006 (CDT)
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 Thanks, Joe.--[[User:Pedda|Pedda]] 09:47, 30 September 2007 (CDT)
 : No problem. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki &mdash; ''New'']</sup> 10:16, 30 September 2007 (CDT)

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	: Well, in order for the clarification to occur, we'd need to have the sources to back up such information (like how every single show is apparently written by Moore in outline form). Offhand, I don't know of any sources that supports this assertion, but if you have them, feel free to let us know about 'em! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:10, 9 March 2008 (CDT)		: Well, in order for the clarification to occur, we'd need to have the sources to back up such information (like how every single show is apparently written by Moore in outline form). Offhand, I don't know of any sources that supports this assertion, but if you have them, feel free to let us know about 'em! -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 21:10, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
	:I'm basing it on the podcasts where he states he wrote them. For example, almost every show in Season Two was written by him, except for Home I and Home II. There are a couple of others that I haven't seen. One could go through the podcasts and find his direct quotes stating that he wrote them. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 21:39, 9 March 2008 (CDT)		:I'm basing it on the podcasts where he states he wrote them. For example, almost every show in Season Two was written by him, except for Home I and Home II. There are a couple of others that I haven't seen. One could go through the podcasts and find his direct quotes stating that he wrote them. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 21:39, 9 March 2008 (CDT)
			::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.
			::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

	== Writer credits ==		== Writer credits ==
	I was wondering why most writer's profiles feature both the links to the episodes they've written (in chronological order) ''and'' a link to another page which mostly consists of... the links to the episodes they've written (in alphabetical order (AO)). Isn't that a bit redundant? I mean, is there at least another page which links to the AO pages? Well, at least I haven't found a page which lists all the writers (or even their episodes) which I think would be nice. Opinions? --[[User:Pedda\|Pedda]] 11:34, 29 August 2006 (CDT)		I was wondering why most writer's profiles feature both the links to the episodes they've written (in chronological order) ''and'' a link to another page which mostly consists of... the links to the episodes they've written (in alphabetical order (AO)). Isn't that a bit redundant? I mean, is there at least another page which links to the AO pages? Well, at least I haven't found a page which lists all the writers (or even their episodes) which I think would be nice. Opinions? --[[User:Pedda\|Pedda]] 11:34, 29 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and ~~changed~~ by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. ~~Other people~~ can also ~~bring in their ideas~~ and ~~if Moore~~ signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changes by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Sure, Moore certainly has clear ideas on where to take the show and steers the other writers, but he can also be swayed by them, and he can leave the details to others. If he signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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	:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. There are clear examples where Moore did not come up with the idea for an episode. "[[The Passage]]" for example originated with an idea/presentation by [[Kevin Grazier]]. "[[Unfinished Business]]" wasn't well defined until someone had the idea to set it around a boxing match. Before that it wasn't even clear that it would include all of the flashbacks shot previously. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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	::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.		::It's really a collaboration and I wouldn't say that he wrote them entirely. Sometimes people pitch in ideas, then he says "ok, but how about including this and that too". Then some writer will write the story and/or teleplay and Moore does some rewrites to change stuff. The scripts might go back and forth a few times until it's done. So yes, he has his hand in all episodes (that comes with the job as executive producer), but we base the writing credits with the actual credits of the episodes. As in who wrote most of it. That isn't necessarily reflective of the actual creative process. Sometimes (not just with BSG) a staff writer will do massive rewrites without being credited.
	::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		:::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	:::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
			::::It's basically impossible to reflect that besides the note we already have. It's not as clear-cut as you imply. Sometimes he might write an outline, but sometime might only give some guidelines or mention an idea to base an episode on. That's ''not'' the same as writing the story. Sure, he and Eick weigh in on everything and ultimately decide how to cut the episodes, but the actual writing is generally done by the particular writers (as said with possible rewrites and of course comments and changed by the exec producers). The whole staff comes up with the stories in the writing room through discussions. Other people can also bring in their ideas and if Moore signs off on them, they're realized. So saying that Moore came up with everything is giving the other producers less credit than they deserve. Of course he is the creative force of the show, but this isn't Babylon 5 where one guy writes a whole season or dictates the entire story. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:50, 10 March 2008 (CDT)

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	::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::You also have to distinguish between story and teleplay. What you mean is that he wrote the story. But the final script is the teleplay. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:55, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
	::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)		::Exactly...I think it might be a good idea, if possible, to distinguish who wrote the teleplay and who wrote the story. While the process is a collaboration, the basic premise and outline of each episode seems to have originated in Moore's mind. Documenting this might be difficult because the credits don't make mention of this. But the podcasts suggest, and sometimes are explicit, that the stories are created by Moore. I think it would be worth documenting it, though, which is why I mentioned it. -- [[User:Astralis\|Astralis]] 15:31, 10 March 2008 (CDT)
			:::Although I'm interested in this as well... This is all very nebulous, actually. A lot of show runners tend to "pitch" stories, or retool pitches they receive, but under WGA rules they don't actually get the credit unless they go through a certain process. (That's my current understanding of the situation, at least. I could be wrong.) Also, this might be more of a [[BW:OC\|Bradley question]]... -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 15:39, 10 March 2008 (CDT)