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Frylock86: /* War-era Raptor retired? */

2012-11-23T13:16:17Z

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	:Even if you take their absence in Razor to mean there were absolutely none left on Galactica, it doesn't mean in any way that they'd been retired, all that can be discerned is what we see, i.e. that the other Raptor is in service. Real world example: F-18s are still in service alongside F-18Es. [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:37, 23 November 2012 (EST)		:Even if you take their absence in Razor to mean there were absolutely none left on Galactica, it doesn't mean in any way that they'd been retired, all that can be discerned is what we see, i.e. that the other Raptor is in service. Real world example: F-18s are still in service alongside F-18Es. [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:37, 23 November 2012 (EST)

			::I was not aware that the Razor Flashbacks stated O:RT was Adama's first mission. Episode 1 starts off with him already on ''Galactica'', comfortably "hiding" away in his bunk with Jaycee. Even then there's still a huge discrepancy between B&C, and the Razor Flashbacks, which hopefully, will be explained, or retconned. - [[User:frylock86\|Frylock86]]

YIIMM: /* War-era Raptor retired? */

2012-11-23T08:37:06Z

War-era Raptor retired?

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	There's a line in the section about the B&C Raptor being retired before the end of the war, going off of the Razor Flashbacks. Should we really be treating the portions that didn't make it into the final movie as reliable, especially considering how much of them has already been overridden by B&C (like the last mission of the war being Adama's first time in combat, or the TOS-throwback uniforms, or the unchanged hangar deck and raptor design)?-- [[User:David cgc\|David cgc]] 18:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)		There's a line in the section about the B&C Raptor being retired before the end of the war, going off of the Razor Flashbacks. Should we really be treating the portions that didn't make it into the final movie as reliable, especially considering how much of them has already been overridden by B&C (like the last mission of the war being Adama's first time in combat, or the TOS-throwback uniforms, or the unchanged hangar deck and raptor design)?-- [[User:David cgc\|David cgc]] 18:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)

			:Even if you take their absence in Razor to mean there were absolutely none left on Galactica, it doesn't mean in any way that they'd been retired, all that can be discerned is what we see, i.e. that the other Raptor is in service. Real world example: F-18s are still in service alongside F-18Es. [[User:YIIMM\|YIIMM]] 03:37, 23 November 2012 (EST)

David cgc: /* War-era Raptor retired? */ new section

2012-11-22T23:46:58Z

War-era Raptor retired?: new section

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	In the Plan several non-standard color Raptors appear. On Picon's harbor there appears a green white Raptor. On Caprica and also in Picon are emergency rescue Raptors colored red and white. The different colors could indicate other agencies using the Raptor. Indicating the Raptor is not for the Colonial Fleet exclusively.		In the Plan several non-standard color Raptors appear. On Picon's harbor there appears a green white Raptor. On Caprica and also in Picon are emergency rescue Raptors colored red and white. The different colors could indicate other agencies using the Raptor. Indicating the Raptor is not for the Colonial Fleet exclusively.
	--[[User:RedWolf\|RedWolf]] 16:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)		--[[User:RedWolf\|RedWolf]] 16:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

			== War-era Raptor retired? ==

			There's a line in the section about the B&C Raptor being retired before the end of the war, going off of the Razor Flashbacks. Should we really be treating the portions that didn't make it into the final movie as reliable, especially considering how much of them has already been overridden by B&C (like the last mission of the war being Adama's first time in combat, or the TOS-throwback uniforms, or the unchanged hangar deck and raptor design)?-- [[User:David cgc\|David cgc]] 18:46, 22 November 2012 (EST)

RedWolf at 16:39, 1 April 2010

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	However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)		However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)
	:I agree that we shouldn't just change it. But the issue is that it shouldn't weigh that much in the first place, not that it couldn't fly. Anyways, the article includes a footnote about it now. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:33, 22 December 2007 (CST)		:I agree that we shouldn't just change it. But the issue is that it shouldn't weigh that much in the first place, not that it couldn't fly. Anyways, the article includes a footnote about it now. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:33, 22 December 2007 (CST)

			== Non-Colonial Fleet Raptors ==

			In the Plan several non-standard color Raptors appear. On Picon's harbor there appears a green white Raptor. On Caprica and also in Picon are emergency rescue Raptors colored red and white. The different colors could indicate other agencies using the Raptor. Indicating the Raptor is not for the Colonial Fleet exclusively.
			--[[User:RedWolf\|RedWolf]] 16:39, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

OrionFour at 01:21, 23 December 2007

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	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)
			:::::::You know, I would imagine that on a spaceship, weight is not so important as mass. Since all the gravity on a battlestar is artificial, weight is kind of a superfluous quantity anyways.--[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 19:21, 22 December 2007 (CST)

	I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)		I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Weight. */

2007-12-22T23:33:45Z

Weight.

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	However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)		However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)
			:I agree that we shouldn't just change it. But the issue is that it shouldn't weigh that much in the first place, not that it couldn't fly. Anyways, the article includes a footnote about it now. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:33, 22 December 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Weight. */ ok, this is getting a wee bit ridiculous, laddies ...

2007-12-22T23:05:16Z

Weight.: ok, this is getting a wee bit ridiculous, laddies ...

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	I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)		I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	:::::::Well, how about we put down 15 tons? Its arguable that Grace Park was actually going for that number (or that it was written that way) but while saying her lines she said 50 instead of 15. She speaks the line pretty quickly...--[[User:Helo87\|Helo87]]		:::::::Well, how about we put down 15 tons? Its arguable that Grace Park was actually going for that number (or that it was written that way) but while saying her lines she said 50 instead of 15. She speaks the line pretty quickly...--[[User:Helo87\|Helo87]]

			(reseting indentation level to base) Here's what we need to do. Firstly, we need to find out what the subtitles say. If the subtitles say 15 instead of 50, then we can go with the subtitles. On the other hand, if the subtitles also give that 50 figure, then we '''have to quote it''', even if it sounds absurd. We're not here to rewrite the series' history every time we see something that doesn't jive with our understanding of the world around us.

			If 50 is what she says -- and is confirmed by said subtitles -- then we stick with the 50 ton figure she gave. As I said, for all we know they have some sort of technological thingamajiggie that allows the ship to fly with that weight. Hell, how much does an FTL drive weigh anyway? Who knows?

			However, what we '''can and should''' do is provide a piece of ''analysis'' noting why this doesn't seem likely, citing real-world examples as appropriate. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:05, 22 December 2007 (CST)

Helo87: /* Weight. */

2007-12-22T21:51:40Z

Weight.

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	I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)		I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)
			:::::::Well, how about we put down 15 tons? Its arguable that Grace Park was actually going for that number (or that it was written that way) but while saying her lines she said 50 instead of 15. She speaks the line pretty quickly...--[[User:Helo87\|Helo87]]

Catrope: /* Weight. */ not sure about quote

2007-12-21T23:15:07Z

Weight.: not sure about quote

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	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)

			I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Weight. */ reply

2007-12-21T22:34:38Z

Weight.: reply

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	::::Well, it was spoken in the miniseries, so it's technically canonical information. For all we know, the Raptor may be 50 tons, but may have some sort of synthetic gravity techno-gizmo that reduces that weight. As for how we deal with it, we should definitely put where that figure came from in a footnote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::Well, it was spoken in the miniseries, so it's technically canonical information. For all we know, the Raptor may be 50 tons, but may have some sort of synthetic gravity techno-gizmo that reduces that weight. As for how we deal with it, we should definitely put where that figure came from in a footnote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
			::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)

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	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)
			:::::::You know, I would imagine that on a spaceship, weight is not so important as mass. Since all the gravity on a battlestar is artificial, weight is kind of a superfluous quantity anyways.--[[User:OrionFour\|OrionFour]] 19:21, 22 December 2007 (CST)

	I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)		I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)

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	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)

			I see someone added the quote, but I'm not entirely sure about the end of it ("moving platform" or "moving hangar deck" or something entirely different). Could someone rewatch that part (I don't have my copy of the Miniseries handy and won't for a few days). --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 17:15, 21 December 2007 (CST)

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	::::Well, it was spoken in the miniseries, so it's technically canonical information. For all we know, the Raptor may be 50 tons, but may have some sort of synthetic gravity techno-gizmo that reduces that weight. As for how we deal with it, we should definitely put where that figure came from in a footnote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)		::::Well, it was spoken in the miniseries, so it's technically canonical information. For all we know, the Raptor may be 50 tons, but may have some sort of synthetic gravity techno-gizmo that reduces that weight. As for how we deal with it, we should definitely put where that figure came from in a footnote. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:53, 21 December 2007 (CST)
	:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)		:::::I'm not saying that we should remove it. But add something like "Give its size, this figure seems unrealistically high.". It's really too small to weigh that much. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 16:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
			::::::Yeah, adding that bit of analysis is fine, as so long as we have the figure sourced.-- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 16:34, 21 December 2007 (CST)