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	~~== General Comments ==~~

	~~For some reason, I'm really excited about this episode. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 01:28, 29 Jun 2005 (EDT)~~

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	*I deleted it. It's completely, and I mean ''completely'', irrelevant to this episode. It belongs on the page for the original Living Legend episodes, if at all. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)		*I deleted it. It's completely, and I mean ''completely'', irrelevant to this episode. It belongs on the page for the original Living Legend episodes, if at all. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

	== ~~Ad Spammers~~ ==		== New Battlestar Image ==

	Oh, great. Now it appears that whatever is SPAMing us with ad links got a user name: "Boomer". Although I think it might be possible for a zombie computer to do this, I'm leaning towards the idea that it's an actual person. They must be subjected to live unsedated vivisection. ---Ricimer 25 Aug 2005
	: Yeah, this is a real person. But they are likely still controlling another computer to do it. There are a few ways to go about reducing this stuff, but what I really don't get is that some yahoo actually wastes their time spamming a board that has thousands--THOUSANDS--of people who read and edit it deily, eliminating their "work" in seconds. They're wasting their time more than they get on our nerves. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 21:02, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)

	~~== New Battlestar Image==~~
	There is a picture of the [[Mercury-class]] Battlestar in the preview after [[Flight of the Phoenix]]. We need a shot of Pegasus here on the page! [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:46, 17 September 2005 (EDT)		There is a picture of the [[Mercury-class]] Battlestar in the preview after [[Flight of the Phoenix]]. We need a shot of Pegasus here on the page! [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:46, 17 September 2005 (EDT)
	:I noticed they still don't have the trailer up on the SciFi BSG page. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)		:I noticed they still don't have the trailer up on the SciFi BSG page. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 16:35, 17 September 2005 (EDT)

Catrope: sp Seelix

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sp Seelix

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	:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.		:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.

	:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Seelix~~\|Selix~~]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.		:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Seelix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.

	No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)		No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: fixing seelix link

2008-01-28T05:18:22Z

fixing seelix link

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	:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.		:The paucity of female crewmen on ''Pegasus'' is interesting, compared to the crew of ''Galactica''. Apart from Admiral Cain herself, only a few female extras can be seen in various scenes, and none have speaking roles in this episode. (The extras in Galactica's ready room, for example, are usually about 50% female; only a couple women are visible in the ready room scenes on ''Pegasus''.) This stands in notable contrast to Ron Moore's egalitarian vision of gender issues in the military, and appears to have been an intentional decision made during production.

	:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Selix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.		:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Seelix\|Selix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.

	No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)		No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)

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	~~== Step down to Condition 1 ==~~

	In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
	~~:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)~~
	~~::Concur. Maybe they meant "from" instead of "to", but that's what they said. Looks like a goof. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)~~

	~~== Why interrogate Sharon? ==~~

	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
	: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

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Steelviper: /* Step down to Condition 1 */ oops

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	In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)		In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
	:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)		:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
			::Concur. Maybe they meant "from" instead of "to", but that's what they said. Looks like a goof. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

	==Why interrogate Sharon?==		==Why interrogate Sharon?==
	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
	: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

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	== General Comments ==		== General Comments ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Why interrogate Sharon? */ reply

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Why interrogate Sharon?: reply

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	==Why interrogate Sharon?==		==Why interrogate Sharon?==
	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
			: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

Bstone: /* Why interrogate Sharon */

2007-10-08T22:34:17Z

Why interrogate Sharon

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	:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)		:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)

	==Why interrogate Sharon==		==Why interrogate Sharon?==
	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

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	:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	~~== Step down to Condition 1 ==~~

	In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
	~~:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)~~
	~~::Concur. Maybe they meant "from" instead of "to", but that's what they said. Looks like a goof. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)~~

	~~== Why interrogate Sharon? ==~~

	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
	: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

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	In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)		In the very beginning after they positive establish the identity of the Pegasus, Adama says "step down to condition 1 throughout the fleet". I am confused. Is this a gafe? [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 23:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
	:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)		:Mhhh, right; seems to be an error. I never noticed that, but not that you say it. I'll make a note about it. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 07:25, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
			::Concur. Maybe they meant "from" instead of "to", but that's what they said. Looks like a goof. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 21:22, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

	==Why interrogate Sharon?==		==Why interrogate Sharon?==
	I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		I just rewatched this episode and something really bugs me. In Pegasus Extended Adm Cain is in Sharon's cell with Baltar. He explains how he didn't use any physical force but was able to get a lot of info from her. Seeing his success Adm Cain asks Baltar to work with their Number 6. Why then does Lt Thorne force his way into Sharon's cell with the Brute Squad and try to get into from her? It seems to me that Adm Cain's first line would be Baltar asking Sharon, since he was so successful. Of course having Lt Thorne's scene with the Brute Squad was a major plot maker and so they kind of ''had'' to write it into the script, but it bugs me and is a little bit intellectually insulting. [[User:Bstone\|Bstone]] 17:34, 8 October 2007 (CDT)
	: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)		: I've always thought that the act was more to sate Thorne's desire to rape her more than anything else. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 18:47, 8 October 2007 (CDT)

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	:''speculation; yes, there are female Pegasus crewmen seen in halls.'' and ''Cally's retirement f G-Boomer doesn't really contrast with the rape scenes here.''		:''speculation; yes, there are female Pegasus crewmen seen in halls.'' and ''Cally's retirement f G-Boomer doesn't really contrast with the rape scenes here.''

	Ricimer, I found those contributions to be interesting and valid, and would appreciate it if, in the future, you would amend them with your objections rather than deleting them outright. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		Ricimer, I found those contributions to be interesting and valid, and would appreciate it if, in the future, you would amend them with your objections rather than deleting them outright. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:I've added a rebuttal of sorts to the former contribution, as I find it (to be frank) preposterous... although I am wary of seeing an [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is\|encyclopedic]] page turn into a debate, it rather bothered me to see it there, so I added [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is_not\|another view]]. ~ [[User:Aero\|Aero]] 18:48, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:I've added a rebuttal of sorts to the former contribution, as I find it (to be frank) preposterous... although I am wary of seeing an [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is\|encyclopedic]] page turn into a debate, it rather bothered me to see it there, so I added [[Battlestar_Wiki:What_Battlestar_Wiki_is_not\|another view]]. ~ [[User:Aero\|Aero]] 18:48, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	::We can always refactor the argument and clean it up. I do consider it notable that aside from the Admiral, there are no female crewmembers on Pegasus with speaking roles in this episode. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:50, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		::We can always refactor the argument and clean it up. I do consider it notable that aside from the Admiral, there are no female crewmembers on Pegasus with speaking roles in this episode. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:50, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	I picked up most of the idea from the Scifi.com forums, although it had occurred to me. If it was unintentional, then why not throw a woman in the background of the Pegasus CIC, or into the ready room? Why write the Pegasus deck gang as a group of crude gang rapists? Listen to the dialogue in that scene—that's not how men usually speak in mixed company, and the fact that they do speak that way in mixed company suggests they've forgotten how to act around women. I also find it amazing how many of us aren't quite as shocked at Boomer getting shot to death as we are at Boomer getting pinned down and almost raped by Lieutenant Thorne. The reason for that is probably that killing a Cylon has some sort of purpose, while raping one is just a sick and twisted way to cause pointless suffering. As for Ricimer, his edit warring and irrational vendetta against me must give some meaning to his life but I've learned to pretty much ignore him. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 22:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		I picked up most of the idea from the Scifi.com forums, although it had occurred to me. If it was unintentional, then why not throw a woman in the background of the Pegasus CIC, or into the ready room? Why write the Pegasus deck gang as a group of crude gang rapists? Listen to the dialogue in that scene—that's not how men usually speak in mixed company, and the fact that they do speak that way in mixed company suggests they've forgotten how to act around women. I also find it amazing how many of us aren't quite as shocked at Boomer getting shot to death as we are at Boomer getting pinned down and almost raped by Lieutenant Thorne. The reason for that is probably that killing a Cylon has some sort of purpose, while raping one is just a sick and twisted way to cause pointless suffering. As for Ricimer, his edit warring and irrational vendetta against me must give some meaning to his life but I've learned to pretty much ignore him. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 22:00, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:Please, no ad hominem attacks either. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:Please, no ad hominem attacks either. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:10, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	::Men don't act that way in mixed company? Must be I've been in college too long.. >_> ~ [[User:Aero\|Aero]] 22:44, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		::Men don't act that way in mixed company? Must be I've been in college too long.. >_> ~ [[User:Aero\|Aero]] 22:44, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
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	:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Seelix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.		:The ''Pegasus'' pilots don't appear to be accustomed to speaking in mixed company, either - they either ignore or fail to understand [[Cally]] and [[Seelix]]'s disgust with their talk about gang-raping Gina.

	No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)		No need to venture into "Mistress Cain" type "sexual domination" scenarios, in my opinion, but the lack of female presence in the lower ranks of ''Pegasus'' is a very distinct change from the rest of the series to date. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 03:46, 25 September 2005 (EDT)

	:That's not really what it says, and I think my original point stands—where there's a shortage of women, the natural power of each individual woman within that society is greater. You have to realize that if maybe 1 out of 50 people aboard Pegasus is a woman, and everybody aboard Pegasus lived the months since the holocaust believing they were all that was left of humanity, that's an incredible disparity in numbers. I don't think the sexual power of Cain or anyone else aboard ''Pegasus'' was explicit, but it's a fair guess to say it was there, under the surface. I also think it's a fair guess to say sexual frustration is a contributing factor to the sort of culture that developed aboard ''Pegasus'', particularly the gang rape of Gina. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 14:24, 25 September 2005 (EDT)		:That's not really what it says, and I think my original point stands—where there's a shortage of women, the natural power of each individual woman within that society is greater. You have to realize that if maybe 1 out of 50 people aboard Pegasus is a woman, and everybody aboard Pegasus lived the months since the holocaust believing they were all that was left of humanity, that's an incredible disparity in numbers. I don't think the sexual power of Cain or anyone else aboard ''Pegasus'' was explicit, but it's a fair guess to say it was there, under the surface. I also think it's a fair guess to say sexual frustration is a contributing factor to the sort of culture that developed aboard ''Pegasus'', particularly the gang rape of Gina. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 14:24, 25 September 2005 (EDT)
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	:*''The behavior of the ''Pegasus'' personnel drinking on ''Galactica'' seemed unprofessional and more than a little rough. Are these actual military personnel or civilian personnel who were drafted into service after the Cylon's attack?''		:*''The behavior of the ''Pegasus'' personnel drinking on ''Galactica'' seemed unprofessional and more than a little rough. Are these actual military personnel or civilian personnel who were drafted into service after the Cylon's attack?''

	They say themselves that they haven't had booze since the Cylon attack. They're probably out of practice holding their liquor. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:09, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		They say themselves that they haven't had booze since the Cylon attack. They're probably out of practice holding their liquor. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:09, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

	:I can see your point on this. However, I would state that if Taylor wanted a front row seat for the mission that he would've been just as likely to pilot a Viper. My take on it, and this is just my take, is that either way is speculative at this point. Taylor could've been trying to knock Apollo down a notch as he'd earlier in the same episode called him 'Daddy's boy.' --[[User:Feldspar\|Feldspar]] 17:36, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		:I can see your point on this. However, I would state that if Taylor wanted a front row seat for the mission that he would've been just as likely to pilot a Viper. My take on it, and this is just my take, is that either way is speculative at this point. Taylor could've been trying to knock Apollo down a notch as he'd earlier in the same episode called him 'Daddy's boy.' --[[User:Feldspar\|Feldspar]] 17:36, 27 September 2005 (EDT)
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	:::Cleaned up my followup, I agree the way I'd put it in there was far from intuitive. My apologies to any confusion this may have caused. My intention was not to pass off any assertions I may have had as someone elses. --[[User:Feldspar\|Feldspar]] 17:58, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		:::Cleaned up my followup, I agree the way I'd put it in there was far from intuitive. My apologies to any confusion this may have caused. My intention was not to pass off any assertions I may have had as someone elses. --[[User:Feldspar\|Feldspar]] 17:58, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

	::::Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be a Nazi, and I appreciate your contributions. I just considered these too obvious to be noteworthy. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:12, 27 September 2005 (EDT)		::::Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be a Nazi, and I appreciate your contributions. I just considered these too obvious to be noteworthy. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:12, 27 September 2005 (EDT)

	== "Pegasus": The Director's Cut ==		== "Pegasus": The Director's Cut ==
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	The Director's Cut version of Pegasus which will be coming out in the Season 2.5 DVD set will be radically different from the current episode. Indeed, after much internal pondering, I came to the conclusion that this presented a situation that is really unprecedented in the history of this wiki. An alternate version of an episode, with over 25% more material recut into it. My question is, for this new situation, should we create a ''separate'' page for "Pegasus (Director's Cut)", or should we create a (large) new subsection on the existing page? (The more I think about it, the more I think that tacking it onto the current page would make it very cluttered). Thoughts? Talk amongst yourselves. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)		The Director's Cut version of Pegasus which will be coming out in the Season 2.5 DVD set will be radically different from the current episode. Indeed, after much internal pondering, I came to the conclusion that this presented a situation that is really unprecedented in the history of this wiki. An alternate version of an episode, with over 25% more material recut into it. My question is, for this new situation, should we create a ''separate'' page for "Pegasus (Director's Cut)", or should we create a (large) new subsection on the existing page? (The more I think about it, the more I think that tacking it onto the current page would make it very cluttered). Thoughts? Talk amongst yourselves. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:35, 29 December 2005 (EST)

	:Oh, awkward. Tentatively suggesting a separate page, restricted to deal with the differences between the two cuts. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:44, 29 December 2005 (EST)		:Oh, awkward. Tentatively suggesting a separate page, restricted to deal with the differences between the two cuts. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:44, 29 December 2005 (EST)

	We could just add the events of the director's cut to the summary and asterisk them to indicate they only occur in the director's cut. (No new section, except for what we have already to indicate that there is a longer director's cut.) After all, the two versions aren't going to contradict, so the director's cut should be treated as the full canon episode anyway. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 18:50, 31 December 2005 (EST)		We could just add the events of the director's cut to the summary and asterisk them to indicate they only occur in the director's cut. (No new section, except for what we have already to indicate that there is a longer director's cut.) After all, the two versions aren't going to contradict, so the director's cut should be treated as the full canon episode anyway. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 18:50, 31 December 2005 (EST)
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	:: Isn't Ricimer's suggestion the same way we treat regular episodes? E.g., the number of ships mentioned in the mini-series was canon until Home retconned it. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 12:29, 1 January 2006 (EST)		:: Isn't Ricimer's suggestion the same way we treat regular episodes? E.g., the number of ships mentioned in the mini-series was canon until Home retconned it. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 12:29, 1 January 2006 (EST)

	:::Not exactly. Under the circumstances, anything from an earlier episode contradicted by the Director's Cut wouldn't take precedence. I'm torn on the issue, and my above-stated opinion should not be taken as a vote either way. Maybe a subsection on this page for the Director's Cut would be a better idea. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 13:01, 1 January 2006 (EST)		:::Not exactly. Under the circumstances, anything from an earlier episode contradicted by the Director's Cut wouldn't take precedence. I'm torn on the issue, and my above-stated opinion should not be taken as a vote either way. Maybe a subsection on this page for the Director's Cut would be a better idea. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 13:01, 1 January 2006 (EST)

	If the director's cut of Pegasus is being officially released as a BSG episode, it's canon. And there's no need for something as bulky as the spoiler template, just use an asterisk. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 01:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)		If the director's cut of Pegasus is being officially released as a BSG episode, it's canon. And there's no need for something as bulky as the spoiler template, just use an asterisk. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 01:24, 1 January 2006 (EST)
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	I think this should be the first "quality article" because it's well researched, most debates have been fully developed, it's one of the more informative/pivotal/important pages, and it's one of the most popular. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)		I think this should be the first "quality article" because it's well researched, most debates have been fully developed, it's one of the more informative/pivotal/important pages, and it's one of the most popular. Thoughts? --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)
	:I think it needs some concision badly. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:25, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:I think it needs some concision badly. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:25, 5 January 2006 (EST)
	::Like what? Why not change it now?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:30, 5 January 2006 (EST)		::Like what? Why not change it now?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:30, 5 January 2006 (EST)
	:::Actually, it's not as bad as I thought. CalculatinAvatar cleaned it up nicely. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:::Actually, it's not as bad as I thought. CalculatinAvatar cleaned it up nicely. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:00, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	:::: So the template's there... But, uh... the template doesn't exist. What should such a template look like? I'd create it, if I had a remote idea or could unscramble my brains enough to think well after watching the Rose Bowl just now. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:10, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:::: So the template's there... But, uh... the template doesn't exist. What should such a template look like? I'd create it, if I had a remote idea or could unscramble my brains enough to think well after watching the Rose Bowl just now. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 01:10, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:::::This page is far from our best. I was just browsing it and noticed many errors. I removed the template for now (it's not functioning right, anyhow) and made some edits that I'm still not satisfied about. I want to review it again--something doesn't strike me right about the page. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 09:54, 5 January 2006 (EST)