Talk:Occupation/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:05Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Sauron18: /* HD Screencaps */

2007-01-13T22:43:28Z

HD Screencaps

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	So far the only screencap thats been used for this episode, or precipice was 'hope.jpg' which i've already updated by uploading the HR HDTV (960x528) version. It's a lot clearer than the iTunes one. However, there are no other caps to change so far - i think these articles would look a lot better with a few more caps, especially Precipice. I've got the HR HDTV version of this two parter, and i'll have the full 720p in a week or so, so if you lot can make up a list of caps you want - please let me know on my talk page. In the meantime, i'll see if there are any caps from these two eps that haven't been used yet and upgrade them - that okay? :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:12, 13 January 2007 (CST)		So far the only screencap thats been used for this episode, or precipice was 'hope.jpg' which i've already updated by uploading the HR HDTV (960x528) version. It's a lot clearer than the iTunes one. However, there are no other caps to change so far - i think these articles would look a lot better with a few more caps, especially Precipice. I've got the HR HDTV version of this two parter, and i'll have the full 720p in a week or so, so if you lot can make up a list of caps you want - please let me know on my talk page. In the meantime, i'll see if there are any caps from these two eps that haven't been used yet and upgrade them - that okay? :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:12, 13 January 2007 (CST)
			:I've already updated/added 3 crops on different articles with their HD counterparts provided by a poster at Skiffy. I'll try to find more caps, but that's all for now.--[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 16:43, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Fordsierra4x4: /* HD Screencaps */

2007-01-13T19:18:22Z

HD Screencaps

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	== HD Screencaps ==		== HD Screencaps ==

	So far the only screencap thats been used for this episode, or precipice was 'hope.jpg' which i've already ~~uploaded~~ the HR HDTV (960x528) version. It's a lot clearer than the iTunes one. However, there are no other caps to change so far - i think these articles would look a lot better with a few more caps, especially Precipice. I've got the HR HDTV version of this two parter, and i'll have the full 720p in a week or so, so if you lot can make up a list of caps you want - please let me know on my talk page. In the meantime, i'll see if there are any caps from these two eps that haven't been used yet and upgrade them - that okay? :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:12, 13 January 2007 (CST)		So far the only screencap thats been used for this episode, or precipice was 'hope.jpg' which i've already updated by uploading the HR HDTV (960x528) version. It's a lot clearer than the iTunes one. However, there are no other caps to change so far - i think these articles would look a lot better with a few more caps, especially Precipice. I've got the HR HDTV version of this two parter, and i'll have the full 720p in a week or so, so if you lot can make up a list of caps you want - please let me know on my talk page. In the meantime, i'll see if there are any caps from these two eps that haven't been used yet and upgrade them - that okay? :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:12, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Fordsierra4x4 at 19:12, 13 January 2007

2007-01-13T19:12:30Z

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	Sorry, but stating that Helo is still wearing "Lieutenant, s.g." insignia - or his old ones if you want to argue that we don't really know their meaning (which we do though) - is not speculation. They are clearly visible in several scenes. It's fact. For Kat we don't know.<br>		Sorry, but stating that Helo is still wearing "Lieutenant, s.g." insignia - or his old ones if you want to argue that we don't really know their meaning (which we do though) - is not speculation. They are clearly visible in several scenes. It's fact. For Kat we don't know.<br>
	So maybe the answer wasn't written in the preferred format (link to future episode article), but it does exist --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)		So maybe the answer wasn't written in the preferred format (link to future episode article), but it does exist --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)

			== HD Screencaps ==

			So far the only screencap thats been used for this episode, or precipice was 'hope.jpg' which i've already uploaded the HR HDTV (960x528) version. It's a lot clearer than the iTunes one. However, there are no other caps to change so far - i think these articles would look a lot better with a few more caps, especially Precipice. I've got the HR HDTV version of this two parter, and i'll have the full 720p in a week or so, so if you lot can make up a list of caps you want - please let me know on my talk page. In the meantime, i'll see if there are any caps from these two eps that haven't been used yet and upgrade them - that okay? :) --[[User:Fordsierra4x4\|Fordsierra4x4]] 13:12, 13 January 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Guest stars */

2007-01-02T11:44:48Z

Guest stars

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	Donnelly Rhodes and Erica Cerra are credited, but Cottle and Maya are absent from ''both'' episodes. Anyone have an idea as to which episode(s) they were supposed to be in? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)		Donnelly Rhodes and Erica Cerra are credited, but Cottle and Maya are absent from ''both'' episodes. Anyone have an idea as to which episode(s) they were supposed to be in? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)
			:It probably means that they shot scenes that were cut --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 05:44, 2 January 2007 (CST)

	== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==		== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==

Mars: /* Guest stars */

2007-01-02T04:39:56Z

Guest stars

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	:I think it's based on what the episode shows rather than what we see. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:08, 12 October 2006 (CDT)		:I think it's based on what the episode shows rather than what we see. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:08, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

	Donnelly Rhodes is credited but Cottle is absent from ''both'' episodes. Anyone have an idea as to which episode ~~he was~~ supposed to be in? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)		Donnelly Rhodes and Erica Cerra are credited, but Cottle and Maya are absent from ''both'' episodes. Anyone have an idea as to which episode(s) they were supposed to be in? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)

	== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==		== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==

Mars: /* Guest stars */

2007-01-02T04:30:36Z

Guest stars

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	Has anyone verified all the guest stars listed? I know many of these people were credited at the beginning of Occupation but this was only because Occupation and Precipice were combined into one super-episode. I don't think Rick Worthy (Simon) and Larissa Stadnichuk appeared in Occupation. They only appeared in Precipice. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 18:28, 12 October 2006 (EDT)		Has anyone verified all the guest stars listed? I know many of these people were credited at the beginning of Occupation but this was only because Occupation and Precipice were combined into one super-episode. I don't think Rick Worthy (Simon) and Larissa Stadnichuk appeared in Occupation. They only appeared in Precipice. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 18:28, 12 October 2006 (EDT)
	:I think it's based on what the episode shows rather than what we see. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:08, 12 October 2006 (CDT)		:I think it's based on what the episode shows rather than what we see. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 17:08, 12 October 2006 (CDT)

			Donnelly Rhodes is credited but Cottle is absent from ''both'' episodes. Anyone have an idea as to which episode he was supposed to be in? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:30, 1 January 2007 (CST)

	== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==		== Leave the questions posed in the article! ==

Serenity at 09:19, 30 October 2006

2006-10-30T09:19:38Z

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	I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character) [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez\|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)		I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character) [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez\|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

	== answer to Helo/Kat rank question		== answer to Helo/Kat rank question ==

	Sorry, but stating that Helo is still wearing "Lieutenant, s.g." insignia - or his old ones if you want to argue that we don't really know their meaning (which we do though) - is not speculation. They are clearly visible in several scenes. It's fact. For Kat we don't know.<br>		Sorry, but stating that Helo is still wearing "Lieutenant, s.g." insignia - or his old ones if you want to argue that we don't really know their meaning (which we do though) - is not speculation. They are clearly visible in several scenes. It's fact. For Kat we don't know.<br>
	So maybe the answer wasn't written in the preferred format (link to future episode article), but it does exist --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)		So maybe the answer wasn't written in the preferred format (link to future episode article), but it does exist --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Serenity: Helo/Kat rank question

2006-10-30T09:19:04Z

Helo/Kat rank question

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	== Suicide Bombing ==		== Suicide Bombing ==
	I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character) [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez\|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)		I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character) [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez\|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

			== answer to Helo/Kat rank question

			Sorry, but stating that Helo is still wearing "Lieutenant, s.g." insignia - or his old ones if you want to argue that we don't really know their meaning (which we do though) - is not speculation. They are clearly visible in several scenes. It's fact. For Kat we don't know.<br>
			So maybe the answer wasn't written in the preferred format (link to future episode article), but it does exist --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Luis F. Gonzalez: /* Suicide Bombing */

2006-10-28T21:11:10Z

Suicide Bombing

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	== Suicide Bombing ==		== Suicide Bombing ==
	I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character)		I don't know if this has been brought up in other episode discussions, but as foreign and repulsive as suicide bomgings are made to appear to the humans and cylons, this was not the first time since a Doral (#5) already committed this act. My hypothesis is that the Cylons have had intermittent communications with the Colonial Fleet, (#3) video. (which just made me wonder, future episode fodder...how did the undercover #3 get exposed?) Depending on whether he wanted to be resurrected/reincarnated with the bombing memories there may be a #5 with the bomber memories (future episode fodder - develop #5's character) [[User:Luis F. Gonzalez\|Luis F. Gonzalez]] 16:11, 28 October 2006 (CDT)

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	:I'm going to have to look into that credit issue later. I put a summary in for what was shown on Scifi.com. I hope I did it in the most correct way. Feel free to make modifications where needed. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 15:53, 04 October 2006 (AST)		:I'm going to have to look into that credit issue later. I put a summary in for what was shown on Scifi.com. I hope I did it in the most correct way. Feel free to make modifications where needed. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 15:53, 04 October 2006 (AST)

	:Thanks to Shane, ~~Peter Farago~~, Spencerian, and Noneofyourbusiness for editing my additions. This is my first time at adding major content to an episode page outside of the The Resistance Webisodes page so I was just letting it flow without worrying about format. Though, I am particularly happy that you all left my use of the terms "skinjobs" and "chromejobs". I felt that this was appropriate from the point of view of the characters involved. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 21:31, 04 October 2006 (AST)		:Thanks to Shane, April Arcus, Spencerian, and Noneofyourbusiness for editing my additions. This is my first time at adding major content to an episode page outside of the The Resistance Webisodes page so I was just letting it flow without worrying about format. Though, I am particularly happy that you all left my use of the terms "skinjobs" and "chromejobs". I felt that this was appropriate from the point of view of the characters involved. -- [[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 21:31, 04 October 2006 (AST)


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	How can we put this up based on Overview? --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:18, 6 October 2006 (CDT)		How can we put this up based on Overview? --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 12:18, 6 October 2006 (CDT)
	:We shouldn't. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:31, 6 October 2006 (CDT)		:We shouldn't. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:31, 6 October 2006 (CDT)

	frak the cylons. the human race will ultimately survive. just seen the episode. pretty cool yet it not reveals ellens intentions so we shouldnt. 06:31, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		frak the cylons. the human race will ultimately survive. just seen the episode. pretty cool yet it not reveals ellens intentions so we shouldnt. 06:31, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
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	:: That's my assumption as well, right now. I imagine that after the exodus they might resume the count, at least in some form, provided Roslin ever becomes president again. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:04, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		:: That's my assumption as well, right now. I imagine that after the exodus they might resume the count, at least in some form, provided Roslin ever becomes president again. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 14:04, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
	::: I think that the reason is they tell the story from a point of view of the characters not from a God-view (or gods-view in their case) of the overall story - meaning, somebody was keeping track of the population count and they just put that info up front for us. And the person who kept track of the population count was always Roslin. Remember, Roslin always kept the population count up on that wallspace and when Baltar became president he replaced it with his own portrait. Now, with the population split up and Roslin no longer in a place of central control, there's nobody keepin a hard track on the population count so that info isn't available to us because that info isn't available to the characters. That's my take.--[[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 18:16, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		::: I think that the reason is they tell the story from a point of view of the characters not from a God-view (or gods-view in their case) of the overall story - meaning, somebody was keeping track of the population count and they just put that info up front for us. And the person who kept track of the population count was always Roslin. Remember, Roslin always kept the population count up on that wallspace and when Baltar became president he replaced it with his own portrait. Now, with the population split up and Roslin no longer in a place of central control, there's nobody keepin a hard track on the population count so that info isn't available to us because that info isn't available to the characters. That's my take.--[[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 18:16, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::Season 2 used a gods-eye-view population count - early on in the season, it reflected deaths on Kobol that Roslin couldn't possibly have known about. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:44, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Season 2 used a gods-eye-view population count - early on in the season, it reflected deaths on Kobol that Roslin couldn't possibly have known about. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:44, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::::That might have been a flaw because it was my understanding that the survivor count was reflecting Roslin's survivor count.--[[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 19:40, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		:::::That might have been a flaw because it was my understanding that the survivor count was reflecting Roslin's survivor count.--[[User:Straycat0\|Straycat0]] 19:40, 9 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::::Your understanding is incorrect. See [[Survivor Count]] for a detailed breakdown including several deaths of which Roslin could not have been aware.		::::::Your understanding is incorrect. See [[Survivor Count]] for a detailed breakdown including several deaths of which Roslin could not have been aware.
	::::::There were a total of four people killed on Kobol (Karma, Tarn, Socinus, and Crashdown). The survivors are recovered at the end of "Fragged", but the count in "Resistance" is only decremented by one — presumably Crashdown, who did in fact die in the previous episode. This, along with a single-person decrement between "Scattered" and "Valley of Darkness" in which nobody died except Tarn (who was on Kobol) suggests that the survivor count was omniscient.		::::::There were a total of four people killed on Kobol (Karma, Tarn, Socinus, and Crashdown). The survivors are recovered at the end of "Fragged", but the count in "Resistance" is only decremented by one — presumably Crashdown, who did in fact die in the previous episode. This, along with a single-person decrement between "Scattered" and "Valley of Darkness" in which nobody died except Tarn (who was on Kobol) suggests that the survivor count was omniscient.
	::::::Also keep in mind that Roslin was separated from her whiteboard from the end of "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II" to the end of "Home, Part II", and would not have been privy to population statistics. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)		::::::Also keep in mind that Roslin was separated from her whiteboard from the end of "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II" to the end of "Home, Part II", and would not have been privy to population statistics. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:52, 9 October 2006 (CDT)

	== still missed in the summary ==		== still missed in the summary ==
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	:::Good point about the message board feeling. I already had the impression that those points read like a discussion on a forum, with a clear back and forth. Moreover some have a clear POV, with words such as "granted" and "I think". I removed those. Speculation has a place but it needs to be written from a neutral point of view --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:17, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		:::Good point about the message board feeling. I already had the impression that those points read like a discussion on a forum, with a clear back and forth. Moreover some have a clear POV, with words such as "granted" and "I think". I removed those. Speculation has a place but it needs to be written from a neutral point of view --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:17, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

	God, no. Once a question has been answered conclusively it's been our tradition to move the material to analysis. I'm sorry if I was overzealous in my attempts to clean this page up, but this kind of four-level back-and-forthing is unacceptable. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:48, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		God, no. Once a question has been answered conclusively it's been our tradition to move the material to analysis. I'm sorry if I was overzealous in my attempts to clean this page up, but this kind of four-level back-and-forthing is unacceptable. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:48, 13 October 2006 (CDT)

	== How do we know that the two Cavils were really killed? ==		== How do we know that the two Cavils were really killed? ==
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	::Good catch. In that case you should probably add it and remove the rest of the speculation since the deleted scene makes it pointless. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:15, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		::Good catch. In that case you should probably add it and remove the rest of the speculation since the deleted scene makes it pointless. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:15, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
	::It then seems very strange to me that the two Cavils are both dressed as priests. In every other model of the Cylons that we've seen, their dress indicates what kind of function they perform. It is also the way the show indicates to us which Cylon is which. The Caprica-Six and Boomer are dressed in unique clothing in comparison to the other versions of them. Even Baltar's six is usually dressed in red to seperate her from the other Six's we've seen on the show. It is interesting that the scene was deleted, maybe it was for time, but then it's even stranger that the two Cavils (if they are new versions), are dressed like their counterparts.--[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 10:16, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		::It then seems very strange to me that the two Cavils are both dressed as priests. In every other model of the Cylons that we've seen, their dress indicates what kind of function they perform. It is also the way the show indicates to us which Cylon is which. The Caprica-Six and Boomer are dressed in unique clothing in comparison to the other versions of them. Even Baltar's six is usually dressed in red to seperate her from the other Six's we've seen on the show. It is interesting that the scene was deleted, maybe it was for time, but then it's even stranger that the two Cavils (if they are new versions), are dressed like their counterparts.--[[User:LifeStar\|LifeStar]] 10:16, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::I really don't think there's any room for speculation here. My impulse is still to delete the entire thing - does anyone besides LifeStar find this a fruitful line of inquiry? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:30, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		:::I really don't think there's any room for speculation here. My impulse is still to delete the entire thing - does anyone besides LifeStar find this a fruitful line of inquiry? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:30, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
	::::Not really. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 12:54, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		::::Not really. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 12:54, 13 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::Asking why the models are dressed the same might be of interest, but I find it extremely implausible, that the Colonials kept the Cavils alive on New Caprica until the Cylons arrived. It makes the most sense to assume they were killed --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 13 October 2006 (CDT)		:::Asking why the models are dressed the same might be of interest, but I find it extremely implausible, that the Colonials kept the Cavils alive on New Caprica until the Cylons arrived. It makes the most sense to assume they were killed --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 13 October 2006 (CDT)