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	Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
	:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
	::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)		::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)		:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I'm pretty sure it's "she" - there is an instance earlier in dialog where there is a slur / hissing sound, but it's not a part of the phrase "she was seven" "She" seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? This is probably orthogonal, but I wonder more an more what [[The_Music\|the experience* of being "boxed"]] is like?. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I'm pretty sure it's "she" - there is an instance earlier in dialog where there is a slur / hissing sound, but it's not a part of the phrase "she was seven" "She" seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? This is probably orthogonal, but I wonder more an more what [[The_Music\|the experience* of being "boxed"]] is like?. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

			== Asimovs Robot Stories ==

			Might there be any potential linkage to Daneel from Isaac Asimovs Robots&Foundation Universe?--[[User:Nugget\|Nugget]] 23:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I ~~swear~~ it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? ~~And - well - this might be~~ orthogonal ~~a bit~~ but - what ~~do you suppose~~ the experience* of being "boxed" is like? ~~Man - what a great story~~. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I'm pretty sure it's "she" - there is an instance earlier in dialog where there is a slur / hissing sound, but it's not a part of the phrase "she was seven" "She" seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? This is probably orthogonal, but I wonder more an more what [[The_Music\|the experience* of being "boxed"]] is like?. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? ~~Well~~ - ~~this certainly is an awesome~~ story ~~line isn't it :)~~ [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? Man - what a great story. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? Well - this certainly is an awesome story line isn't it :) [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*How old ~~do you suppose Kara~~ would have been ~~when her father died~~? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		*I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
			*How old do you suppose Kara would have been when her father died? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

ManofTheAtom at 21:59, 20 February 2009

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	:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)		:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::: If it were a real geneticist speaking, "corrupting the genetic formula" would mean rendering it nonviable. Just so you know. And her resurrection would still be unexplained if she were Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)		:::: If it were a real geneticist speaking, "corrupting the genetic formula" would mean rendering it nonviable. Just so you know. And her resurrection would still be unexplained if she were Cylon. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::::Wouldn't Simon have noticed if Kara was a Cylon during her stay at the Farm when he removed her ovaries and examined her? Putting it another way, wouldn't female Cylon ovaries be different than female human ovaries and thus prove to be inefectual for whatever Simon had planned? As for the destiny, it is possible that human Cylons from either cast (be it the 13th tribe human Cylons or the human Colonial Cylons) could have influenced Kara's life from her infancy? Imagine if it was revealed that Leoben knew Kara's parents, or has been a part of her life in one way or another since she was a child. Or if not Leoben one of the final five? It could be that yes, Daniel IS involved in Kara's destiny, but not because they are the same person, but because he manipulated her from infancy to turn her into a way to guide the Colonials to the 13th Tribe. As yourselves that question; what was there to gain in making Kara the only one who could guide the original colonies to the 13th tribe? Did Daniel (or whoever) do it in order to reveal a grander truth? Furthermore (as proof that Kara cannot be Daniel), whoever made it possible for Kara to know how to find the 13th tribe would have had to know its location himself. That means that none of the seven Colonial Cylons can be involved in that (unless Cavil is privvy to that information, which seems EXTREMELY unlikely). To answer the question of what/who Kara is, one must answer the question of where that information could have credibly originated from.--[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 21:59, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	== Just something I noticed ==		== Just something I noticed ==

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	:::I'm afraid you're both mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I'm afraid you're both mishearing. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 16:09, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
			*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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	Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		Gotta put it out there...--[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:27, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
	:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		:Kara's father. Obviously. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
	::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)		::http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Kara_Thrace%2C_father_of. "According to Ellen, Number Seven was creative, sensitive and an artist." http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Number_Seven "Kara Thrace's father was a pianist and/or composer". Hmmm... Don't you think that if Kara found out that she was a hybrid the first thing she would do is shoot herself in the head? Not only would that be repetitive of Dualla's end, but it doesn't quite sound like a proper ending. Plus, there has to be SOMEONE who is the Cylon God. Why not Daniel? --[[User:ManofTheAtom\|ManofTheAtom]] 13:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)		:::It's also quite possible that Kara is Daniel - Daniel's genetic code was corrupted, and corruptions in genetic code can alter gender. For example, the real life genetic condition of "Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome" will cause a foetus with male DNA to develop into essentially a female baby (although with no womb, and undescended testes). While Kara does (or did) have a womb and ovaries, and therefore it's not going to be that exact same condition, it's possible that other, similar genetic corruptions could cause this. It's also possible that Cavil/John had just the tiniest bit of remorse, and implanted what was left of Daniel's DNA into Kara's mother to develop - which may both explain her bitterness towards Kara, and her insistence that she had a special predestined purpose - either through John explaining what he was doing (unlikely), or if Kara's mother had no idea how she'd gotten pregnant (ie not having slept with any men and thus having a "miraculous" conception). Just my thoughts, anyway. [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 20:31, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I ~~swear~~ it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? ~~And - well - this might be~~ orthogonal ~~a bit~~ but - what ~~do you suppose~~ the experience* of being "boxed" is like? ~~Man - what a great story~~. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I'm pretty sure it's "she" - there is an instance earlier in dialog where there is a slur / hissing sound, but it's not a part of the phrase "she was seven" "She" seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? This is probably orthogonal, but I wonder more an more what [[The_Music\|the experience* of being "boxed"]] is like?. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? ~~Well~~ - ~~this certainly is an awesome~~ story ~~line isn't it :)~~ [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? Man - what a great story. [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? Well - this certainly is an awesome story line isn't it :) [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]

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	::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		::::I have to disagree, I've replayed that scene about 10 times now to check and to my ears it absolutely clearly says "He died, Daniel died. She was seven". I cannot see it being heard in any other way, it's definitely not the word "he". I mean it could just be Anders' aphasia, or the actor making a verbal slip, but I'm still 100% sure that the word is "she". I'm interested in what makes you so sure of the opposite, Noneofyourbusiness? Has the episode script been released online somewhere or something? [[User:Marianne\|Marianne]] 18:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)		*I'm watching it right now on my DVR. Anders said, "HE was seven", not "she was seven". However, Michael Trucco made a hissing sound right before he said "he". But he certainly said "he", not "she". -- [[User:Troyian\|Troyian]] 19:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
	*I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]		I swear it's "she" - it seemed very deliberate. And now with this piano player/father -- Kara's memories of her father -- what again is the back story on how Kara ended up without a father? How old would she have been? And - well - this might be orthogonal a bit but - what do you suppose the experience* of being "boxed" is like? [[User:Svdasein\|Svdasein]]