Talk:Number One/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:13Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Markus: /* John Cavil? */

2010-08-29T03:47:56Z

John Cavil?

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	::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

			I think it's likely the name 'John Cavil' is meant to be similar to John Calvin, a principal Christian theologian and pastor. [[User:Markus\|Markus]] 03:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

	== Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil ==		== Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil ==

WarGrowlmon15: /* Separate Article for faction leader? */

2009-10-27T17:12:33Z

Separate Article for faction leader?

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	It appears to be a single copy, the one who got shot, who is the leader of the "145 faction". We should make a separate article for him, The question is, what do we call him? He seems to be refered to as "Cavil" onscreen, but this is a little confusing. Perhaps [[Cavil (faction leader)]]? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 16:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)		It appears to be a single copy, the one who got shot, who is the leader of the "145 faction". We should make a separate article for him, The question is, what do we call him? He seems to be refered to as "Cavil" onscreen, but this is a little confusing. Perhaps [[Cavil (faction leader)]]? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 16:07, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
			*I totally agree especialy as The Plan shows us that he's the same Cavil as the one from ''Galactica''. Those two need to be merged at the very least and we might want to create a seperate article for the Caprica copy as well given his role.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15\|WarGrowlmon15]] 17:12, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

	== John Cavil? ==		== John Cavil? ==

WarGrowlmon15: /* Galactica Cavil and Civil War Cavil */ new section

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Galactica Cavil and Civil War Cavil: new section

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	I apologize in advance, but here it is: Motherfrakker. I couldn't resist. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman\|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)		I apologize in advance, but here it is: Motherfrakker. I couldn't resist. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman\|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

			== Galactica Cavil and Civil War Cavil ==

			Given The Plan, these two Cavils are the same one!!!!!!!!!!!!! ''Galactica'' Cavil said there was a Resurrection Ship nearby and given his other comments and that voiceover at the end, I think we're supposed to infer that they're the same Cavil. I think we need to create a seperate page just for that Cavil like we've done for Boomer, Athena and the various named Sixes and the distinct Threes.--[[User:WarGrowlmon15\|WarGrowlmon15]] 17:09, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

ZeldaTheSwordsman: /* A very fitting insult to this jerk */ new section

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A very fitting insult to this jerk: new section

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	Coincidence?		Coincidence?

			== A very fitting insult to this jerk ==

			I apologize in advance, but here it is: Motherfrakker. I couldn't resist. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman\|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

NikolaiOfTardis: /* Coincidence - connection to a previous role of Stockwell? */ new section

2009-02-19T19:46:44Z

Coincidence - connection to a previous role of Stockwell?: new section

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	Bit confused here - Are the Cavil that unboxed Deanna and the Cavil that was going to open up Ellen's brain the same Cavil? They both seemed to have Boomer as a companion, but the one who unboxed Deanna was killed and shouldn't have resurrected since the hub was destroyed. --[[User:Jackdavinci\|Jackdavinci]] 12:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)		Bit confused here - Are the Cavil that unboxed Deanna and the Cavil that was going to open up Ellen's brain the same Cavil? They both seemed to have Boomer as a companion, but the one who unboxed Deanna was killed and shouldn't have resurrected since the hub was destroyed. --[[User:Jackdavinci\|Jackdavinci]] 12:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

			== Coincidence - connection to a previous role of Stockwell? ==

			I find it fascinating that "Cavil" is/has a set of letters the same as "Al Calavicci", Dean Stockwell's character from Quantum Leap.

			Coincidence?

Jackdavinci: /* Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil */ new section

2009-02-18T12:41:14Z

Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil: new section

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	::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

			== Deanna's Cavil vs Ellen's Cavil ==

			Bit confused here - Are the Cavil that unboxed Deanna and the Cavil that was going to open up Ellen's brain the same Cavil? They both seemed to have Boomer as a companion, but the one who unboxed Deanna was killed and shouldn't have resurrected since the hub was destroyed. --[[User:Jackdavinci\|Jackdavinci]] 12:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus: /* John Cavil? */

2009-02-15T01:29:41Z

John Cavil?

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	:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* John Cavil? */ reply

2009-02-14T19:15:40Z

John Cavil?: reply

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	::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
			::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Ausir: /* John Cavil? */

2009-02-14T16:22:33Z

John Cavil?

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	::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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	:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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	::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::I think we need Joe to verify this. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] ([[User_Talk:Shane\|talk]]) 15:00, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
			::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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	I believe it should be Cavil, not Brother Cavil, same as it's Cally, not Specialist Cally.		I believe it should be Cavil, not Brother Cavil, same as it's Cally, not Specialist Cally.
	:Yep. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:20, 4 March 2006 (CST)		:Yep. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:20, 4 March 2006 (CST)

	His number is One, as revealed in 4x02. The title should be changed. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy\|LicensedLunacy]] 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)		His number is One, as revealed in 4x02. The title should be changed. -- [[User:LicensedLunacy\|LicensedLunacy]] 16:19, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
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	Regardless of whether or not the claim about preaching longer than Tyrol has been "sucking down oxygen" is correct, Cavil's apparent age (approximately 70, going by Dean Stockwell's real age) gives us some hints about the maturation of Humano-Cylons. It would be very safe to assume that the Cylons haven't been at this for a whole 70 years--otherwise, agents would probably have been introduced into Colonial society during the ''first'' war, instead of waiting for the second, and Baltar and Adama and every other survivor wouldn't have been surprised by the fact that they "look like us." A Humano-Cylon body, pre-download, seems to be either a) generated from scratch and resembling a particular age the moment it's ready (an instant twenty-something Sharon, early thirties Six, and late sixties/early seventies Cavil), or b) Cylon genes can be temporarily tweaked to accelerate an aging process that is usually human normal. Either way, the Cylons don't seem to spend 20-plus years generating a new body. Master geneticists that they are, why would they have to wait? -- [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 22:28, 18 March 2006 (EST).		Regardless of whether or not the claim about preaching longer than Tyrol has been "sucking down oxygen" is correct, Cavil's apparent age (approximately 70, going by Dean Stockwell's real age) gives us some hints about the maturation of Humano-Cylons. It would be very safe to assume that the Cylons haven't been at this for a whole 70 years--otherwise, agents would probably have been introduced into Colonial society during the ''first'' war, instead of waiting for the second, and Baltar and Adama and every other survivor wouldn't have been surprised by the fact that they "look like us." A Humano-Cylon body, pre-download, seems to be either a) generated from scratch and resembling a particular age the moment it's ready (an instant twenty-something Sharon, early thirties Six, and late sixties/early seventies Cavil), or b) Cylon genes can be temporarily tweaked to accelerate an aging process that is usually human normal. Either way, the Cylons don't seem to spend 20-plus years generating a new body. Master geneticists that they are, why would they have to wait? -- [[User:BlueResistance\|BlueResistance]] 22:28, 18 March 2006 (EST).

	:I thought (a) was the clear implication of "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Downloaded" - new Cylon bodies come pre-aged. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:21, 18 March 2006 (CST)		:I thought (a) was the clear implication of "Resurrection Ship, Part I" and "Downloaded" - new Cylon bodies come pre-aged. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:21, 18 March 2006 (CST)
	::Those technically weren't new bodies. They are copies, not clones, remember? A "new" body is exactly duplicated from an old one. By definition all will be the same age. So any aging would take place simultaneously across the whole model. Also, Dean Stockwell is ~70 but Cavil can be younger.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:11, 18 March 2006 (EST)		::Those technically weren't new bodies. They are copies, not clones, remember? A "new" body is exactly duplicated from an old one. By definition all will be the same age. So any aging would take place simultaneously across the whole model. Also, Dean Stockwell is ~70 but Cavil can be younger.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:11, 18 March 2006 (EST)
	:::Are you suggesting there's a stock supply of uninhabited Cylon bodies all aging simultaneously, a la Evangelion? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:54, 18 March 2006 (CST)		:::Are you suggesting there's a stock supply of uninhabited Cylon bodies all aging simultaneously, a la Evangelion? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:54, 18 March 2006 (CST)
	::::Er, yes. That is what the Resurrection Ship (and whatever they have on their homeworld) is. My point is that when they make a new uninhabited body it's A Copy, Not A Clone, and thus the same age as the body it was copied from.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:41, 18 March 2006 (EST)		::::Er, yes. That is what the Resurrection Ship (and whatever they have on their homeworld) is. My point is that when they make a new uninhabited body it's A Copy, Not A Clone, and thus the same age as the body it was copied from.--[[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 23:41, 18 March 2006 (EST)
	:::::Every body in a Cylon model is the same. They are all twins, none is a clone of another. They are made in the resurrection Ship, that was visually implied by the whole stack of Sixes. The Cavils themeselves are proof that they are made the age they look. There are Cavils in pods looking exactly like they do. The "longer than.." comment was needed, he wouldn't say "I've been preaching for two years, since I'm a Cylon.." --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19 March 2006		:::::Every body in a Cylon model is the same. They are all twins, none is a clone of another. They are made in the resurrection Ship, that was visually implied by the whole stack of Sixes. The Cavils themeselves are proof that they are made the age they look. There are Cavils in pods looking exactly like they do. The "longer than.." comment was needed, he wouldn't say "I've been preaching for two years, since I'm a Cylon.." --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 19 March 2006
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	:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		:::RDM refers to him as "John Cavil" in the podcast. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:22, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)		::::He is referred by this name in the scripts as well. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 19:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)		:::::Even still... isn't it usually customary to refer to clergymen by their first name? That would make Cavil unlikely to be a surname. And we've seen that the Sixes, at least, have no fixed moniker - We've met "Caprica", "Shelly Godfrey", "Gina", "Natalie" and "Lida" thus far. It's probably worth noting the production crew's usage, but until it's been confirmed on screen, we should hedge our bets. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

	I think it's likely the name 'John Cavil' is meant to be similar to John Calvin, a principal Christian theologian and pastor. [[User:Markus\|Markus]] 03:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)		I think it's likely the name 'John Cavil' is meant to be similar to John Calvin, a principal Christian theologian and pastor. [[User:Markus\|Markus]] 03:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)