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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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	:Hey, I was just thinkign that the current picture is not that good, both because it's a bit too wide and because of the quality. I was wondering if perhaps we should go with the simple portrait we used to have before. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:42, 22 August 2006 (CDT)		:Hey, I was just thinkign that the current picture is not that good, both because it's a bit too wide and because of the quality. I was wondering if perhaps we should go with the simple portrait we used to have before. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:42, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

	[[~~Image~~:SharVal.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:SharVal.jpg\|thumb]]
	::Yeah. This seems like a better image. Good call Sauron. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 20:58, 22 August 2006 (CDT)		::Yeah. This seems like a better image. Good call Sauron. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 20:58, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:54:07Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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JoyaOscura: /* The Best Laid Plans, Sometimes Best Left Buried */ corrected lks

2009-04-15T00:43:58Z

The Best Laid Plans, Sometimes Best Left Buried: corrected lks

April Arcus: /* Athena 2.0 */

2009-02-07T23:13:12Z

Athena 2.0

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	I've been rewatching some season 4.0 episodes and am certain that the main eight that is present on the rebel baseship from Guess Whats Coming to Dinner onwards is the same eight as the Athena Copy. This is because after the eight gets shot by the Centurion and spills her blood in the Hybrids Tank, this copy takes over as representative of the Eights on the baseship. She is seen around the table with the Two and Natalie discussing the Quarum (sorry about spelling) and is later seen leading Roslin to the Hybrid with Number Two. After that, in the hub episode, she is the eight in the Hybrid Room explaining the Hybrid's Crazy behaviour and then comes up with the plan with Helo to break into the Hub. Helo says "You and Me need to get onto the Hub..".		I've been rewatching some season 4.0 episodes and am certain that the main eight that is present on the rebel baseship from Guess Whats Coming to Dinner onwards is the same eight as the Athena Copy. This is because after the eight gets shot by the Centurion and spills her blood in the Hybrids Tank, this copy takes over as representative of the Eights on the baseship. She is seen around the table with the Two and Natalie discussing the Quarum (sorry about spelling) and is later seen leading Roslin to the Hybrid with Number Two. After that, in the hub episode, she is the eight in the Hybrid Room explaining the Hybrid's Crazy behaviour and then comes up with the plan with Helo to break into the Hub. Helo says "You and Me need to get onto the Hub..".
	Hopefully i didn't make any mistakes and this is all true, if its confirmed then i'll go head and write that it.		Hopefully i didn't make any mistakes and this is all true, if its confirmed then i'll go head and write that it.
			:I really don't think we have any way of knowing. Most of the Cylons seem highly interchangeable; we don't even know how many Eights downloaded Athena's memories to begin with. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 23:13, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Centurion: /* Athena 2.0 */ new section

2009-02-07T22:28:39Z

Athena 2.0: new section

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	::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)		::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
	:::How about making a separate section for her? She appears in only one episode, but I think she's more notable than any of the copies aside from Boomer and Athena. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)		:::How about making a separate section for her? She appears in only one episode, but I think she's more notable than any of the copies aside from Boomer and Athena. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

			== Athena 2.0 ==

			I've been rewatching some season 4.0 episodes and am certain that the main eight that is present on the rebel baseship from Guess Whats Coming to Dinner onwards is the same eight as the Athena Copy. This is because after the eight gets shot by the Centurion and spills her blood in the Hybrids Tank, this copy takes over as representative of the Eights on the baseship. She is seen around the table with the Two and Natalie discussing the Quarum (sorry about spelling) and is later seen leading Roslin to the Hybrid with Number Two. After that, in the hub episode, she is the eight in the Hybrid Room explaining the Hybrid's Crazy behaviour and then comes up with the plan with Helo to break into the Hub. Helo says "You and Me need to get onto the Hub..".
			Hopefully i didn't make any mistakes and this is all true, if its confirmed then i'll go head and write that it.

Ausir: /* Gaeta's Eight */

2009-01-25T16:39:30Z

Gaeta's Eight

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	:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)		:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
	::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)		::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
			:::How about making a separate section for her? She appears in only one episode, but I think she's more notable than any of the copies aside from Boomer and Athena. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Gordon Ecker at 05:26, 13 January 2009

2009-01-13T05:26:46Z

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	::According to the podcast, in the deleted scene, the rebel basestar was boarded by Cylons from Cavil's faction and there was a shootout in which "Athena 2" was killed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 08:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)		::According to the podcast, in the deleted scene, the rebel basestar was boarded by Cylons from Cavil's faction and there was a shootout in which "Athena 2" was killed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 08:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yes, but that part of the story line was cut and has not been referred to again, so it's non canon. Also, "Athena 2" is out of the picture regardless, so her fate is unknown, as far as canon is concerned. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)		:::Yes, but that part of the story line was cut and has not been referred to again, so it's non canon. Also, "Athena 2" is out of the picture regardless, so her fate is unknown, as far as canon is concerned. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
	::::~~Other~~ articles such as [[Number One]], [[Saul Tigh]] and [[William Adama]] reference deleted scenes, while other articles, such as this one and [[Gaius Baltar]], don't. Anyway, I've brought this up in [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Canon#Deleted scenes]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)		::::Some articles such as [[Number One]], [[Saul Tigh]] and [[William Adama]] reference deleted scenes, while other articles, such as this one and [[Gaius Baltar]], don't. Anyway, I've brought this up in [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Canon#Deleted scenes]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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	: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
	:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.		:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.


	==Gaeta's Eight==		==Gaeta's Eight==
	The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Benfea}}		The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Benfea}}
	:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)		:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
			::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Spencerian: /* Gaeta's Eight */

2009-01-12T04:42:08Z

Gaeta's Eight

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	==Gaeta's Eight==		==Gaeta's Eight==
	The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|~~Beafea~~}}		The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Benfea}}
	:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)		:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Spencerian: /* Gaeta's Eight */

2009-01-12T04:41:40Z

Gaeta's Eight

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	==Gaeta's Eight==		==Gaeta's Eight==
	The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article.		The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Beafea}}
			:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Benfea at 03:37, 10 January 2009

2009-01-10T03:37:35Z

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	: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
	:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.		:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.


			==Gaeta's Eight==
			The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article.

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	:Hey, I was just thinkign that the current picture is not that good, both because it's a bit too wide and because of the quality. I was wondering if perhaps we should go with the simple portrait we used to have before. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:42, 22 August 2006 (CDT)		:Hey, I was just thinkign that the current picture is not that good, both because it's a bit too wide and because of the quality. I was wondering if perhaps we should go with the simple portrait we used to have before. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 20:42, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

	[[~~Image~~:SharVal.jpg\|thumb]]		[[File:SharVal.jpg\|thumb]]
	::Yeah. This seems like a better image. Good call Sauron. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 20:58, 22 August 2006 (CDT)		::Yeah. This seems like a better image. Good call Sauron. --[[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 20:58, 22 August 2006 (CDT)

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	:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)		:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
	::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)		::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
			:::How about making a separate section for her? She appears in only one episode, but I think she's more notable than any of the copies aside from Boomer and Athena. [[User:Ausir\|Ausir]] 16:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

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	::According to the podcast, in the deleted scene, the rebel basestar was boarded by Cylons from Cavil's faction and there was a shootout in which "Athena 2" was killed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 08:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)		::According to the podcast, in the deleted scene, the rebel basestar was boarded by Cylons from Cavil's faction and there was a shootout in which "Athena 2" was killed. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 08:33, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yes, but that part of the story line was cut and has not been referred to again, so it's non canon. Also, "Athena 2" is out of the picture regardless, so her fate is unknown, as far as canon is concerned. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)		:::Yes, but that part of the story line was cut and has not been referred to again, so it's non canon. Also, "Athena 2" is out of the picture regardless, so her fate is unknown, as far as canon is concerned. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
	::::~~Other~~ articles such as [[Number One]], [[Saul Tigh]] and [[William Adama]] reference deleted scenes, while other articles, such as this one and [[Gaius Baltar]], don't. Anyway, I've brought this up in [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Canon#Deleted scenes]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)		::::Some articles such as [[Number One]], [[Saul Tigh]] and [[William Adama]] reference deleted scenes, while other articles, such as this one and [[Gaius Baltar]], don't. Anyway, I've brought this up in [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Canon#Deleted scenes]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:16, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

	==Eight's 'Rank' increased?==		==Eight's 'Rank' increased?==
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	: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		: The Cylon command structure is really non existent. Each one of them had an equal voice, which starts wavering in Season 2's "Downloaded" and through the entire occupation and "Final Five" arc. The eights don't command, for instance, but assume more of a presence during the civil war given that there's only three models part of the rebel faction. Further, the Eight merely accompanied D'Anna, they weren't given much of a "leadership" position per se. No particular model line has assumed command, it's always been an individual who has done so. Natalie became de facto leader after a fashion, same with D'Anna as she was the one with the knowledge of the Five, and the Eight who downloaded Athena's memories from her last download. (Which opens up a whole new can of worms, considering the security risk that entails. Definitely not something well thought out there, eh? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 20:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
	:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.		:: Ah yes, my choice of words before could have been better. But i do think that the Six's held a higher command than the other two copies in the rebel faction as it is mentioned twice that they are slightly more senior than the others. Like when Cavil explains to the newly downloaded Cavil that "The Sixes and their Acolytes" have started killing the others, and always when the Eights try to rope in Athena to help them "lead a mutiny against the sixes". But apart from that i guess your right, maybe because Number Two never does anything! Not on basestar command or on New Caprica, lazy cylon.. And on 'Athena 2', i think in a deleted scene she was killed by Cavil who boarded the rebel basestar, and RDM says that we should either consider her dead or out of the question. -- [[User:Centurion\|Centurion]] 07:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC) EDIT Yes, in fact its above this post, silly me.


	==Gaeta's Eight==		==Gaeta's Eight==
	The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Benfea}}		The webisodes revealed that Gaeta had a relationship with an Eight who collaborated with him during the cylon occupation of New Caprica. Someone should certainly mention her in this article. {{unsigned\|Benfea}}
	:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)		:That's the beauty of a wiki! Feel free to add in that tidbit yourself! --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 04:41, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
			::She's referred to as "sweet Eight" in the other copies section. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 05:26, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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	====The Best Laid Plans, Sometimes Best Left Buried====		====The Best Laid Plans, Sometimes Best Left Buried====

	Four months, three new episodes, and [[Downloaded\|a lot of Spoilers]] later, I feel that the time has come to disambiguate [[Galactica-Sharon]] and [[Caprica-Sharon]] into two separate characters pages, as Joe agreed. Obviously, following the model of the Humano-Cylon page, there will be "stubs" for Galactica and Caprica-Sharon on this page, leading to full articles (other models of Sharon, like the "The Hand of God" one, Ragnar copy, "Final Cut" copy, etc. will have their entire entry here (that is, just leave their info as is). I'll use the names "Galactica-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" because those are the names which were ''not'' developed by me, but which developed ''ad hoc'' on the internet to tell the two apart (notably on Televisionwithoutpity, though I can tell you that it didn't ''start'' there, but on the ~~messageboards~~ for the show, etc.) Nextly, we aren't using "Caprica-Boomer", etc. because "Boomer" is a military callsign and after they found out she was a Cylon she wasn't part of their unit anymore. Come to think of it, I think they've ''never'' called her Boomer since Caprica-Sharon got to Galactica. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 01:14, 24 January 2006 (EST)		Four months, three new episodes, and [[Downloaded\|a lot of Spoilers]] later, I feel that the time has come to disambiguate [[Galactica-Sharon]] and [[Caprica-Sharon]] into two separate characters pages, as Joe agreed. Obviously, following the model of the Humano-Cylon page, there will be "stubs" for Galactica and Caprica-Sharon on this page, leading to full articles (other models of Sharon, like the "The Hand of God" one, Ragnar copy, "Final Cut" copy, etc. will have their entire entry here (that is, just leave their info as is). I'll use the names "Galactica-Sharon" and "Caprica-Sharon" because those are the names which were ''not'' developed by me, but which developed ''ad hoc'' on the internet to tell the two apart (notably on Televisionwithoutpity, though I can tell you that it didn't ''start'' there, but on the message boards for the show, etc.) Nextly, we aren't using "Caprica-Boomer", etc. because "Boomer" is a military callsign and after they found out she was a Cylon she wasn't part of their unit anymore. Come to think of it, I think they've ''never'' called her Boomer since Caprica-Sharon got to Galactica. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 01:14, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	:I'm inclined to agree with the split, (with the caveat that the articles should be located at [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica Copy)]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica Copy]]), along with the various Number Six identities, but I feel like I should point out one thing: None of the cylon characters have actually received more screen time than any human character. If their articles are so large and ungainly that they demand to be split, this cries out of summary and concision. We will not have this recourse with the human character articles. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:23, 24 January 2006 (EST)		:I'm inclined to agree with the split, (with the caveat that the articles should be located at [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica Copy)]] and [[Sharon Agathon\|Sharon Valerii (Caprica Copy)]]), along with the various Number Six identities, but I feel like I should point out one thing: None of the cylon characters have actually received more screen time than any human character. If their articles are so large and ungainly that they demand to be split, this cries out of summary and concision. We will not have this recourse with the human character articles. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:23, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	::The two Boomers have each ~~separetly~~ had more development than several recurring characters; Cally, Racetrack, etc. Galactica-Boomer got about as much development as Tyrol, and Caprica-Boomer got about as much development as Helo, yet the experiences of each were unique. '''And the evidence speaks for itself'''; I mean just look at the article; quite a LARGE amount of information, for each separately, and you can see that they require no summary or concision. They've just both led...shall we say, "colorful"?...lives? That's kind of what makes "Sharon" one of the more intriguing characters. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 01:59, 24 January 2006 (EST)		::The two Boomers have each separately had more development than several recurring characters; Cally, Racetrack, etc. Galactica-Boomer got about as much development as Tyrol, and Caprica-Boomer got about as much development as Helo, yet the experiences of each were unique. '''And the evidence speaks for itself'''; I mean just look at the article; quite a LARGE amount of information, for each separately, and you can see that they require no summary or concision. They've just both led...shall we say, "colorful"?...lives? That's kind of what makes "Sharon" one of the more intriguing characters. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 01:59, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	:I would also note that this is bound to generate some discussion and require some thought beforehand. We shouldn't jump the gun until we have broad consensus. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:24, 24 January 2006 (EST)		:I would also note that this is bound to generate some discussion and require some thought beforehand. We shouldn't jump the gun until we have broad consensus. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 01:24, 24 January 2006 (EST)
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	::::*A series link that gives distinct subarticles for each major Valerii encountered (All two)		::::*A series link that gives distinct subarticles for each major Valerii encountered (All two)

	::::So the [[Sharon Valerii]] page is the parent, with [[Sharon Valerii (Caprica)]] and [[Sharon Valerii (Boomer)]] as subarticles. Another example, [[Number Six]] would be the parent, with [[Natasi]], [[Number Six (Virtual)]], [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]] as subarticles.		::::So the [[Sharon Valerii]] page is the parent, with [[Sharon Agathon\|Sharon Valerii (Caprica)]] and [[Sharon Valerii\|Sharon Valerii (Boomer)]] as subarticles. Another example, [[Number Six]] would be the parent, with [[Natasi]], [[Virtual beings\|Number Six (Virtual)]], [[Shelly Godfrey]] and [[Gina]] as subarticles.

	::::This idea actually works better with Six (who has had four separate significant characters). For Colonials, we will have to look into something like this as well or severely truncate their bios over time as the show progresses. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 13:10, 24 January 2006 (EST)		::::This idea actually works better with Six (who has had four separate significant characters). For Colonials, we will have to look into something like this as well or severely truncate their bios over time as the show progresses. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 13:10, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	:::::Er, that's actually what I just suggested (the first option). The second option you listed is what we already do; have subarticles about the different copies. What I want is to do what we did on the humanoid Cylon page: brief description and a link, leading off to another article about that character in detail. My key point is that not ALL of them need their own pages, i.e. copies of Number Six with a "standard" personality don't need separate pages, just keep their info on the main page. I'm not sure of Natasi-Six and ChipSix are separate ~~characers~~, though they probably are. Gina ~~definately~~ is, as is Shelley Godrey (I'm still not sure if she was a self-aware Six, or honestly acting out fake memories).--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 14:40, 24 January 2006 (EST)		:::::Er, that's actually what I just suggested (the first option). The second option you listed is what we already do; have subarticles about the different copies. What I want is to do what we did on the humanoid Cylon page: brief description and a link, leading off to another article about that character in detail. My key point is that not ALL of them need their own pages, i.e. copies of Number Six with a "standard" personality don't need separate pages, just keep their info on the main page. I'm not sure of Natasi-Six and ChipSix are separate characters, though they probably are. Gina definitely is, as is Shelley Godrey (I'm still not sure if she was a self-aware Six, or honestly acting out fake memories).--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 14:40, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	::::::As there's been the call for a consensus, I'll put my two bits in: yes! I've been keen to see this for a while. Are we going to do the same with Conoy and Doral? (I wouldn't). As for Natasi and ChipSix, I think we should just have them in the main Number Six article, as they don't have different personalities and seperate articles would confuse. Also, I agree with Farago that the articles should be titiled like [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica Copy)]] and not [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica)]].--[[User:Undc23\|Undc23]] 20:43, 24 January 2006 (EST)		::::::As there's been the call for a consensus, I'll put my two bits in: yes! I've been keen to see this for a while. Are we going to do the same with Conoy and Doral? (I wouldn't). As for Natasi and ChipSix, I think we should just have them in the main Number Six article, as they don't have different personalities and seperate articles would confuse. Also, I agree with Farago that the articles should be titiled like [[Sharon Valerii (Galactica Copy)]] and not Sharon Valerii (Galactica).--[[User:Undc23\|Undc23]] 20:43, 24 January 2006 (EST)

	:::::::Some final thoughts - I would not like to see Doral and Conoy's articles sectioned off either, as there really isn't enough content to justify it. The main articles should be more than disambig pages, with notes on the model as a whole, perhaps borrowed from [[Humano-Cylon]] - which I feel probably ought to be deleted soon anyway, in favor of [[Cylon Models]], along with stubs for the articles with their own pages, and full discussions for less-notable copies (such as the overseer six models, or Ragnar Valerii). I would also like to use series boxes for Valerii and Six, and categories as well (which can also be subcategories of "Characters (RDM)"). --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:49, 24 January 2006 (EST)		:::::::Some final thoughts - I would not like to see Doral and Conoy's articles sectioned off either, as there really isn't enough content to justify it. The main articles should be more than disambig pages, with notes on the model as a whole, perhaps borrowed from [[Humano-Cylon]] - which I feel probably ought to be deleted soon anyway, in favor of [[Cylon Models]], along with stubs for the articles with their own pages, and full discussions for less-notable copies (such as the overseer six models, or Ragnar Valerii). I would also like to use series boxes for Valerii and Six, and categories as well (which can also be subcategories of "Characters (RDM)"). --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 21:49, 24 January 2006 (EST)
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	::::::::Farago I think you are jumping to conclusions of brobdingnagian proportions. Our pages for Conoy and Doral are ''already'' sectioned off with subheadings. No, (dragging in the debate over humanoid Cylon nomenclature) I feel that humanoid Cylons and "Cylons" are distinct. We should do what we have done before. Have a main "Cylon" page, with a separate "Humanoid Cylon" or "Cylon Agent" or whatever page, on which there are short descriptions of the known models of the 12, and links to their pages. (EXACTLY what it already done now, simply changing the title). I don't know what you mean by "series boxes". If I could be permitted, I'd like to do a "test" example in the future of what I envision it as, so we can all more clearly see it. Basically, I just think that the TITLE of the existing humanoid Cylon article be changed, and that Caprica-Sharon, Galactica-Sharon, and Gina get their own articles. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:28, 25 January 2006 (EST)		::::::::Farago I think you are jumping to conclusions of brobdingnagian proportions. Our pages for Conoy and Doral are ''already'' sectioned off with subheadings. No, (dragging in the debate over humanoid Cylon nomenclature) I feel that humanoid Cylons and "Cylons" are distinct. We should do what we have done before. Have a main "Cylon" page, with a separate "Humanoid Cylon" or "Cylon Agent" or whatever page, on which there are short descriptions of the known models of the 12, and links to their pages. (EXACTLY what it already done now, simply changing the title). I don't know what you mean by "series boxes". If I could be permitted, I'd like to do a "test" example in the future of what I envision it as, so we can all more clearly see it. Basically, I just think that the TITLE of the existing humanoid Cylon article be changed, and that Caprica-Sharon, Galactica-Sharon, and Gina get their own articles. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 00:28, 25 January 2006 (EST)

	::::::::: Ricimer. The comment about Conoy and Doral was regarding sectioning their articles off into different ''pages''. I felt that was perfectly clear, but you seem to'~~vve~~ misunderstood bother Peter's and Undc23's comments. They were both advocating no change to how those two articles stand now. Just thought I'd sum that up. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 07:06, 28 January 2006 (EST)		::::::::: Ricimer. The comment about Conoy and Doral was regarding sectioning their articles off into different ''pages''. I felt that was perfectly clear, but you seem to've misunderstood bother Peter's and Undc23's comments. They were both advocating no change to how those two articles stand now. Just thought I'd sum that up. --[[User:Day\|Day]] 07:06, 28 January 2006 (EST)
	::::::::::Okay. Well, I also want no change to the Doral and Conoy articles as they stand now. Okay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 12:59, 28 January 2006 (EST)		::::::::::Okay. Well, I also want no change to the Doral and Conoy articles as they stand now. Okay. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 12:59, 28 January 2006 (EST)