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	== IMDB Photo Gallery ==		== IMDB Photo Gallery ==
	[~~http~~://us.imdb.com/name/nm1489668/photogallery Leah Cairns] has three photos attached to her imdb entry, if anybody is curious. Since there's no Leah Cairns article here (and I don't know if this link is enough to justify creating one) I thought I'd point it out here. It's a shame that all of the shots we have of her are all helmeted out.--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:45, 25 January 2006 (EST)		[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1489668/photogallery Leah Cairns] has three photos attached to her imdb entry, if anybody is curious. Since there's no Leah Cairns article here (and I don't know if this link is enough to justify creating one) I thought I'd point it out here. It's a shame that all of the shots we have of her are all helmeted out.--[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:45, 25 January 2006 (EST)

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	::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.		::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.
	::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
			:::The operative part being that ECO - or doing similar duties - was her job ''on that mission''. Otherwise there is ample evidence that she is perfectly qualified - and more importantly used - to do both as the missions demand it. More so than fulltime ECOs being able to do some piloting in emergencies --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

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	Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.		Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.

	:The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a ''combat mission'' in "Fragged"~~.<br/>~~.		:The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a ''combat mission'' in "Fragged".
	IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		:IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.		::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.
	::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

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	Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.		Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.

			:The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a ''combat mission'' in "Fragged".<br/>.
	The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a ''combat mission'' in "Fragged".<br/>.
	IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
			::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.
			::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

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	Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.		Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.


			The main reason people assume that she's an ECO is because she was Sharon's co-pilot in KLG. But it makes sense to use two qualified pilots for that, since it was a highly unusual and dangerous mission. And isn't she training for a combar mission in "Occupation"? There's also a Raptor with her name on it; on BSG that's probably done for the pilots only, not the whole crew. She's also piloting a ''combat mission'' in "Fragged".<br/>.
			IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)

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	#When Lee Adama pilots a Raptor to Kobol in Home, Part II, she ECOs for him.		#When Lee Adama pilots a Raptor to Kobol in Home, Part II, she ECOs for him.
	#When her raptor picks up Lee in Resurrection Ship, Part II, she's able to defibrillate him, which she could not do if she were piloting the ship at the same time.		#When her raptor picks up Lee in Resurrection Ship, Part II, she's able to defibrillate him, which she could not do if she were piloting the ship at the same time.
	#She gives jump coordinates to ~~Red Devil~~ in Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I, which is the ECO's job.		#She gives jump coordinates to Skulls in Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I, which is the ECO's job.

	Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.		Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.

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	Well, judging by [[Black Market]] it looks like Racetrack can now be added to the list of known Raptor pilots. Ltcrashdown 22:39, 27 January 2006 (EST)		Well, judging by [[Black Market]] it looks like Racetrack can now be added to the list of known Raptor pilots. Ltcrashdown 22:39, 27 January 2006 (EST)

			==Racetrack as an ECO==
			There seems to be a wide-spread belief that Racetrack is a pilot, not an ECO. This is patently not the case, for a variety of reasons:

			#We are first introduced to Racetrack as Crashdown's replacement to fly with Boomer in KLG, pt. II.
			#When Lee Adama pilots a Raptor to Kobol in Home, Part II, she ECOs for him.
			#When her raptor picks up Lee in Resurrection Ship, Part II, she's able to defibrillate him, which she could not do if she were piloting the ship at the same time.
			#She gives jump coordinates to Red Devil in Lay Down Your Burdens, Part I, which is the ECO's job.

			Now, the thing that's confusing some people is that even though her primary job is as ECO, she ''can'' pilot a raptor, and has done so at least once (in "Black Market", for example). However, this is no contradiction - remember that Crashdown was able to pilot his raptor to a crash landing in KLG, after Karma was killed. It seems that in general, ECOs are capable of piloting, and probably perfectly qualified to do so in non-combat situations like "Black Market", but the fact remains that it is not her primary job, and she should be listed as an ECO.

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	I'm uploading a new pic for Racetrack. It's based on her appearance from [[Resistance]]. It's a good shot of her face without her helmet. --Ltcrashdown 18:34, 8 January 2006 (EST)		I'm uploading a new pic for Racetrack. It's based on her appearance from [[Resistance (episode)\|Resistance]]. It's a good shot of her face without her helmet. --Ltcrashdown 18:34, 8 January 2006 (EST)

	==Mission in Home, pt. I==		==Mission in Home, pt. I==

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	:::I find it safe to use images used on other wikis if they subscribe to the CCL, which explicitly allows for sharing of any content, provided that credit is given. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 14:19, 13 October 2005 (EDT)		:::I find it safe to use images used on other wikis if they subscribe to the CCL, which explicitly allows for sharing of any content, provided that credit is given. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 14:19, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

	::::There ought to be a good screen grab to be found in Flight of the Phoenix, when she and Starbuck tussle. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:06, 13 October 2005 (EDT)		::::There ought to be a good screen grab to be found in Flight of the Phoenix, when she and Starbuck tussle. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:06, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

	*Galacticastation.com is not a wiki. --Ricimer, October 13, 2005		*Galacticastation.com is not a wiki. --Ricimer, October 13, 2005
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	::Those dastards. I'm going to clean up some things there: nothing drastically new; I still want BattlestarWiki to be the one place for all the best analysis (in the line of Lurker's Guide to B5), but I'm going to clear up some of the blatantly wrong things over there; for example, they say that Racetrack is often confused with Kat. Well, I've noticed some people can't tell the difference when they have helmets on, but hey, everyone is hard to tell apart in helmets. They actually don't look similar at all. I'm going to straighten them out. But they seem to be taking information from us: what if they stole the images ''they'' have?---Ricimer, October 13, 2005		::Those dastards. I'm going to clean up some things there: nothing drastically new; I still want BattlestarWiki to be the one place for all the best analysis (in the line of Lurker's Guide to B5), but I'm going to clear up some of the blatantly wrong things over there; for example, they say that Racetrack is often confused with Kat. Well, I've noticed some people can't tell the difference when they have helmets on, but hey, everyone is hard to tell apart in helmets. They actually don't look similar at all. I'm going to straighten them out. But they seem to be taking information from us: what if they stole the images ''they'' have?---Ricimer, October 13, 2005

	:::[[Wikipedia:Copyleft\|Copyleft]] is a wonderful thing. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)		:::[[Wikipedia:Copyleft\|Copyleft]] is a wonderful thing. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:44, 13 October 2005 (EDT)

	:::I agree. I set my account up yesterday and note a note on where the Humano-Cylon term originated. Their episode pages need work, but someone got some great photos, of which this wiki will benefit from. :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 22:53, 13 October 2005 (EDT)		:::I agree. I set my account up yesterday and note a note on where the Humano-Cylon term originated. Their episode pages need work, but someone got some great photos, of which this wiki will benefit from. :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 22:53, 13 October 2005 (EDT)
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	==Mission in Home, pt. I==		==Mission in Home, pt. I==
	Since Racetrack is an ECO, and Apollo is a certified Raptor pilot, I find it unlikely that she was the pilot of that craft. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:08, 8 January 2006 (EST)		Since Racetrack is an ECO, and Apollo is a certified Raptor pilot, I find it unlikely that she was the pilot of that craft. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:08, 8 January 2006 (EST)
	:Yeah, but we didn't see him piloting it; he was just sitting there. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 23:21, 8 January 2006 (EST)		:Yeah, but we didn't see him piloting it; he was just sitting there. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 23:21, 8 January 2006 (EST)
	::What exactly would the difference be as far as the viewer is concerned? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 01:03, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::What exactly would the difference be as far as the viewer is concerned? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 01:03, 9 January 2006 (EST)
	:::A) Racetrack is sitting in the pilot's seat, not the ECO's station, B) Apollo's hands are visibly NOT on any controls, while Racetrack is ''visibly'' piloting the Raptor. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:16, 9 January 2006 (EST)		:::A) Racetrack is sitting in the pilot's seat, not the ECO's station, B) Apollo's hands are visibly NOT on any controls, while Racetrack is ''visibly'' piloting the Raptor. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:16, 9 January 2006 (EST)
	::::Your first point isn't very plausible, since we've seen Sharon pilot the raptor from both seats throughout the series. The second point may be more credible, but I still doubt it. We know Apollo can pilot a Raptor, and we know Racetrack can ECO one. It defies occam's razor to suggest that each one took the role we ''don't'' know they're capable of. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:23, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::::Your first point isn't very plausible, since we've seen Sharon pilot the raptor from both seats throughout the series. The second point may be more credible, but I still doubt it. We know Apollo can pilot a Raptor, and we know Racetrack can ECO one. It defies occam's razor to suggest that each one took the role we ''don't'' know they're capable of. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:23, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	==Oppurtunity for Racetrack shot==		==Oppurtunity for Racetrack shot==
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	:IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		:IMO it makes most sense to list her as both. There is nothing primary and secondary about it in her case. If anything the writers like the character and use her a bit inconsistently. But she is a pilot and ECO about equally --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:50, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.		::Sending a Raptor on a mission to a base star without an ECO would have been idiotic, and we know Boomer wasn't an ECO - thus, at least during KLG, that was Racetrack's job. As far as Fragged goes (which takes place on the same day), Lee was piloting that Raptor.
	::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		::Your point about having Racetrack's name on the Raptor exterior is a good one, though, and it's possible that she's a full pilot by the time of Occupation - it's 16 months later, after all. I wonder if Brad would enlighten us? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:07, 7 October 2006 (CDT)
	:::The operative part being that ECO - or doing similar duties - was her job ''on that mission''. Otherwise there is ample evidence that she is perfectly qualified - and more importantly used - to do both as the missions demand it. More so than fulltime ECOs being able to do some piloting in emergencies --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (CDT)		:::The operative part being that ECO - or doing similar duties - was her job ''on that mission''. Otherwise there is ample evidence that she is perfectly qualified - and more importantly used - to do both as the missions demand it. More so than fulltime ECOs being able to do some piloting in emergencies --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:30, 7 October 2006 (CDT)