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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:53:58Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	:Do you mean "see" or "notice"? He doesn't appear to notice it in the show, though the audience sees it from his PoV (I put up a screencap of that.) Could not find the thread so await your link.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 19:42, 9 March 2007 (CST)		:Do you mean "see" or "notice"? He doesn't appear to notice it in the show, though the audience sees it from his PoV (I put up a screencap of that.) Could not find the thread so await your link.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 19:42, 9 March 2007 (CST)
	::Someone was kind enough to condensed the posts into [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2267125 one] for the second set of questions. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 21:59, 9 March 2007 (CST)		::Someone was kind enough to condensed the posts into [http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2267125 one] for the second set of questions. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 21:59, 9 March 2007 (CST)
	:::A link to the original post from RDM's username is necessary. Once that is found, the note should be placed under "official statements". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:09, 9 March 2007 (CST)		:::A link to the original post from RDM's username is necessary. Once that is found, the note should be placed under "official statements". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:09, 9 March 2007 (CST)

	== Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps ==		== Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps ==

Dogger55: /* Viper construction and atmospheric pressure */

2011-07-10T22:31:50Z

Viper construction and atmospheric pressure

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	My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure\|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper_(RDM)\|Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.		My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure\|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper_(RDM)\|Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.

	We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high-g force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.		We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high g-force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.

	The breach of Kara's pressurized cockpit would equalize pressure between that component and the atmosphere, but would not affect fuel tank pressure. As Kara plummets, we see her fuel tanks appear intact as her Viper fuselage heats up, catches fire and explodes. Obviously, much heat is generated before the fire ignites, and that would weaken the structural ability of the fuel tanks to withstand increasing pressure. So I posit the following sequence of events:		The breach of Kara's pressurized cockpit would equalize pressure between that component and the atmosphere, but would not affect fuel tank pressure. As Kara plummets, we see her fuel tanks appear intact as her Viper fuselage heats up, catches fire and explodes. Obviously, much heat is generated before the fire ignites, and that would weaken the structural ability of the fuel tanks to withstand increasing pressure. So I posit the following sequence of events:

Dogger55: /* Viper construction and atmospheric pressure */

2011-07-10T17:29:59Z

Viper construction and atmospheric pressure

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	== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==		== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==
	My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure\|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.		My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure\|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper_(RDM)\|Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.

	We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high-g force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.		We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high-g force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.

Dogger55: /* Viper construction and atmospheric pressure */

2011-07-10T17:26:34Z

Viper construction and atmospheric pressure

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	== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==		== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==
	*Under construction [[~~User~~:~~Dogger55~~\|~~Dogger55~~]] ~~12:32~~, ~~10 July 2011 (EDT)~~		My problem with the scientific discussion in the [[Talk:Maelstrom#Some_notes_on_gas_giants_and_pressure\|preceding section]] is that it treats the [[Viper]] as a single component rather than a collection of components, such as weapons, engines, fuel tanks, life-support and cockpit. Some components may not be pressurized, while others certainly are.

			We learned in [[Dirty Hands]] that refined [[Tylium]] is a liquid, and is pumped into Viper fuel tanks much like gasoline. In flight, this fuel must be supplied to the engines in a variety of conditions, such as zero-gravity, high-g force maneuvers, atmospheric operations including climbing and diving, and flipping, reversing, turning and braking. This most likely involves sealed tanks which are pressurized sufficiently to keep the Tylium flowing steadily.

			The breach of Kara's pressurized cockpit would equalize pressure between that component and the atmosphere, but would not affect fuel tank pressure. As Kara plummets, we see her fuel tanks appear intact as her Viper fuselage heats up, catches fire and explodes. Obviously, much heat is generated before the fire ignites, and that would weaken the structural ability of the fuel tanks to withstand increasing pressure. So I posit the following sequence of events:
			*As Kara's Viper dives through the atmosphere, pressure increases and her fuselage heats up, getting weaker and weaker to the point of failure.
			*The fuel tanks rupture under pressure and begin leaking fuel.
			*The fuel contacts the searing hot fuselage, ignites and explodes.
			I'm not a scientist or an engineer (dammit, Jim), but this seems plausible and consistent with events. Perhaps someone with a more appropriate background can enlighten me. [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 13:26, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

	== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==		== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==

Dogger55 at 16:32, 10 July 2011

2011-07-10T16:32:35Z

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	:Whoops...I was so busy figuring out how to properly source my above comment I forgot to sign it!--[[User:RUSnooky\|RUSnooky]] 09:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)		:Whoops...I was so busy figuring out how to properly source my above comment I forgot to sign it!--[[User:RUSnooky\|RUSnooky]] 09:06, 9 March 2007 (CST)
	:Don't take it too literally. It's a phrase for the altitude where the pressure and temperature will destroy a craft. Not literally the surface. Tigh says as much. The strong magnetic fields that gas giants can have could also explain the presence of [[w:Synchrotron radiation\|synchrotron radiation]]. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:14, 9 March 2007 (CST)		:Don't take it too literally. It's a phrase for the altitude where the pressure and temperature will destroy a craft. Not literally the surface. Tigh says as much. The strong magnetic fields that gas giants can have could also explain the presence of [[w:Synchrotron radiation\|synchrotron radiation]]. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 09:14, 9 March 2007 (CST)

			== Viper construction and atmospheric pressure ==
			*Under construction [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 12:32, 10 July 2011 (EDT)


	== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==		== Did Apollo see the Heavy Raider? ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: reply re: doll

2008-07-28T16:04:03Z

reply re: doll

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			: Probably. There's a lot of symbolism in that episode, particularly regarding the mandala. (The tube of ointment next to the doll in the second picture has a small radiant circle that resembles the mandala.) Or it could be a very popular collectors item in the Colonies. There's nothing in [[Podcast:Maelstrom\|the commentary]] about it, but definitely raises an interesting question. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 16:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Jörg: /* Doll */ new section

2008-07-28T00:39:22Z

Doll: new section

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	On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?		On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?
	--[[User:Hulkenergy\|Hulkenergy]] 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)		--[[User:Hulkenergy\|Hulkenergy]] 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

			== Doll ==

			Is there a significance to the doll seen in the episode? The same blonde doll in a glass case is seen in [[Yolanda Brenn]]'s place early in the episode and on [[Socrata Thrace]]'s bedstand towards the end of the episode. --[[User:Jörg\|Jörg]] 00:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

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			http://s95.photobucket.com/albums/l142/gaghyogi49/BSG/SocrataThracesdollMaelstrom.jpg

Hulkenergy at 00:12, 29 May 2008

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	On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?		On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?
			--[[User:Hulkenergy\|Hulkenergy]] 00:12, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hulkenergy: Is Starbuck from Earth?

2008-05-29T00:11:41Z

Is Starbuck from Earth?

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	:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
	::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

			== Is Starbuck from Earth? ==

			On her death bed Kara's mother has many items without the corners cut off. However, not all the items were square. Most notably, a painting of the concentric circles is on a square piece of paper. Is this significant or just a mistake?

Fredmdbud: /* Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps */

2008-04-04T14:41:09Z

Visual symbolism, maybe, perhaps

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	I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)		I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

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	I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)		I was watching this in the not too long ago (i.e. last week) when I noticed something beautiful. When Kara walks by Roslin in Adama, she strolls through a corridor where some crewmen are working on the lights. When she gets there, the lights go out, but upon turning around and walking away, the light comes back on. It struck as something that was put in there to me something, but I can't really get my head around as to what that something might be. Anyone have a guess or am I just looking for metaphors behind metaphorical bushes? --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 22:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)		:Foreshadowing of her apparent death in Maelstrom and her return at the end of Crossroads? -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 09:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
			::Or foreshadowing her prophesied role as herald of the apocalypse, and maybe a hint maybe that the future is not set in stone, that there is a choice. If "all this has happened before, and it will happen again", there were past heralds of the apocalypse, and humanity survived each time to begin the cycle again.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 14:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)