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Spencerian: /* Babylon 5 similarity */ -reply

2009-03-25T02:27:17Z

Babylon 5 similarity: -reply

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	== Babylon 5 similarity ==		== Babylon 5 similarity ==

	I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that the Shadow vessels in Babylon 5 are also piloted by hybrid-like beings. The Shadows would enslave human beings and integrate them into the control systems of their ships.		I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that the Shadow vessels in Babylon 5 are also piloted by hybrid-like beings. The Shadows would enslave human beings and integrate them into the control systems of their ships. {{unsigned\|Broehl}}
			:Hi, Broehl, and welcome to the wiki. No one's brought up the B5 pilots because they really aren't as similar. And, of course, this wiki's purpose isn't to make comparisons and contrasts to other shows. Shadow pilots are conjoined pilots; the hybrids are not quite autonomous as they, nor are they pilots. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 02:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Broehl: /* Babylon 5 similarity */ new section

2009-03-25T00:20:25Z

Babylon 5 similarity: new section

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	Whatta people think? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)		Whatta people think? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
	: Well, what would be the point? There's not much info on that Hybrid to go on a separate page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)		: Well, what would be the point? There's not much info on that Hybrid to go on a separate page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

			== Babylon 5 similarity ==

			I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned that the Shadow vessels in Babylon 5 are also piloted by hybrid-like beings. The Shadows would enslave human beings and integrate them into the control systems of their ships.

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid? */ reply

2008-06-17T18:32:51Z

Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid?: reply

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	Whatta people think? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)		Whatta people think? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
			: Well, what would be the point? There's not much info on that Hybrid to go on a separate page. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 18:32, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

OTW: /* Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid? */ new section

2008-06-17T18:30:01Z

Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid?: new section

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	In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)		In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)
	:Maybe. Could be added as question in the "Razor" article. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 06:29, 14 December 2007 (CST)		:Maybe. Could be added as question in the "Razor" article. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 06:29, 14 December 2007 (CST)

			== Seperate page for Rebel Hybrid? ==

			Whatta people think? [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 18:30, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Serenity: /* End of the Cylon War */

2007-12-14T12:29:50Z

End of the Cylon War

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	In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)		In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)
			:Maybe. Could be added as question in the "Razor" article. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 06:29, 14 December 2007 (CST)

Fredmdbud: /* End of the Cylon War */

2007-12-14T11:14:23Z

End of the Cylon War

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	== End of the Cylon War ==		== End of the Cylon War ==

	In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...		In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 05:14, 14 December 2007 (CST)

Fredmdbud: New section: End of the Cylon War

2007-12-14T11:13:48Z

New section: End of the Cylon War

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	::''Maybe they didn't resurrect them. Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings. From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end. There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve.''		::''Maybe they didn't resurrect them. Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings. From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end. There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve.''
	:An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests. "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)		:An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests. "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)

			== End of the Cylon War ==

			In the extended version on DVD, Admiral Cain's sister is presumably abducted by the Cylons and taken away when the armistice is declared. Were they still collecting human specimens for experimentation? Wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if the female Hybrid model we've seen is derived from her sister ...

Fredmdbud: /* The Hybrid project */

2007-12-11T04:24:25Z

The Hybrid project

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	While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)		While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)
	:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)		:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)
	:"Maybe they didn't resurrect them. Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings. From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end. There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve."
	An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests. "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)		:Quoting from the DVD:
			::''Maybe they didn't resurrect them. Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings. From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end. There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve.''
			:An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests. "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)

Fredmdbud: /* The Hybrid project */

2007-12-11T04:21:54Z

The Hybrid project

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	While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)		While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)
	:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)		:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)
			:"Maybe they didn't resurrect them. Maybe they were out here all along ... There are references in our databases to a force of Centurians called Guardians, early models like this that somehow escaped being scrapped ... [They guard] a Hybrid, an entity that represents the first step in our evolution from pure machines to organic beings. From them, to us ... [This Hybrid is more like] an evolutionary dead end. There were other Hybrids created to control our baseships before the experiment was abandoned, but this one was the first, and some think it's still alive, protected by these Guardians, and that it's still somehow seeking its own way to evolve."
			An equally plausible interpretation is that this first Hybrid does not and never did control a baseship, but is instead the prototype model that is studied before any attempt to link one to a baseship -- think of it like the Space Shuttle Enterprise, which never launched into space but was instead used for static and glide tests. "The experiment" could refer to the first Hybrid, as the later one(s) are no longer experiments but "production models".--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 22:21, 10 December 2007 (CST)

Fredmdbud: /* The Hybrid project */

2007-12-10T22:05:47Z

The Hybrid project

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	While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)		While the Hybrids seem like a logical step inbetween the Centurions and the skinjobs, that can actually explain the aversion the humanoid models have to them. They use them as it suits their purposes, but aside from that the Hybrids are considered a failure. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 14:45, 10 December 2007 (CST)
	:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)		:There also has to be some distinction between what can be taken as implied to speculatively explain something as opposed to what is implied by logical conclusion from previously seen on-screen "canon". In the Cylon sense, a model refers to functionally and physically identical entities, be they mechanical or biological Cylons. To date, we have seen only one current Hybrid "model" ... we cannot be sure whether or not other modern basestars feature identical or different Hybrids (male, female, young, older, etc). Also, the first Hybrid was not integral from conception (cloned), but a fusion of synthetic and cannibalized human parts, not the same level of mimicry as the skinjobs. If the other hybrids are of the same generation and indeed unique from each other, that could mean 1) they are probably precluded from resurrection, 2) each hybrid was originally a complete human. If they cloned additional hybrids from the first one, the younger female Hybrid would represent a new evolutionary step -- a new model. Likewise, on the Cylon side, the unique elements have tended to be the secret ones -- for example, the Final Five. All others are physically redundant, replaceable parts. It would be therefore be plausibly implied (or more appropriately hypothesized) that the current Hybrids are likely identical models, and that the first Hybrid is unique, especially given the Cylon tendency to regard their unique, not commonly-seen elements as "legendary" and seldom spoken of, even taboo.--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 15:54, 10 December 2007 (CST)