Talk:Helena Cain/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Talos: /* Picture Update Needed */

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	::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
	::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			:::::I can get a screen cap from Pegasus or Res Ship if you still need one. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 17:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: /* Picture Update Needed */

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	:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
	::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: /* Picture Update Needed */

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	:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Serenity: /* Picture Update Needed */

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	:: * [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=44&pos=691 Move all zig]		:: * [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=44&pos=691 Move all zig]
	:: --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:23, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		:: --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:23, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

			:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Steelviper: /* Picture Update Needed */ candidates from pegasus

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	:Those are the promos... I'll check the episode caps they have too. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:18, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		:Those are the promos... I'll check the episode caps they have too. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:18, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			:: From Pegasus:
			:: * [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=44&pos=389 Nothing Freudian to see here...]
			:: * [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=44&pos=395 Glower]
			:: * [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=44&pos=691 Move all zig]
			:: --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:23, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Steelviper: /* Picture Update Needed */ + candidates

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	This picture is neither flattering, is incorrectly named, and could stand an update. Anyone have their DVDs handy? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		This picture is neither flattering, is incorrectly named, and could stand an update. Anyone have their DVDs handy? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			:Possible candidates from BSG Media:
			:* [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=53&pos=3 Can you hear me now?]
			:* [http://bsgmedia.org/gallery/displayimage.php?album=128&pos=2 OK... who farted?]

			:Those are the promos... I'll check the episode caps they have too. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 11:18, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: Picture Update Needed

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	::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

			== Picture Update Needed ==

			This picture is neither flattering, is incorrectly named, and could stand an update. Anyone have their DVDs handy? --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

Sith Penguin Lord: /* if you find the show unenjoyable */

2007-05-05T20:30:29Z

if you find the show unenjoyable

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	:We'll just have to wait and see. I'm just a long time fan of the original. A lot can and can not be said about it. When I saw the episode where Starbuck crashed on a planet where children were riding around on unicorns fighting the Cylons, I knew the show was dead. But it did have some good episodes. Comparison between the 2 is inevitable. Like the comparisons between the various versions of the movie ''The Phantom of the Opera,'' or any other redone work. Sorry, but I did have my hopes up. Did you ever read the Malibu Comics BG series ''Journey's End''? It showed one version of what they could have done. -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 22:56, 9 January 2006 (EST)		:We'll just have to wait and see. I'm just a long time fan of the original. A lot can and can not be said about it. When I saw the episode where Starbuck crashed on a planet where children were riding around on unicorns fighting the Cylons, I knew the show was dead. But it did have some good episodes. Comparison between the 2 is inevitable. Like the comparisons between the various versions of the movie ''The Phantom of the Opera,'' or any other redone work. Sorry, but I did have my hopes up. Did you ever read the Malibu Comics BG series ''Journey's End''? It showed one version of what they could have done. -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 22:56, 9 January 2006 (EST)

			:Looks like #2 happened. [[User:Sith Penguin Lord\|Sith Penguin Lord]] 15:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

	::"what does 'RDM' mean?" [[Ronald D. Moore]]. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 23:31, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::"what does 'RDM' mean?" [[Ronald D. Moore]]. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 23:31, 9 January 2006 (EST)

April Arcus: /* Biblical? */

2006-10-04T16:54:13Z

Biblical?

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	:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen ~~Kaine~~\|Citizen ~~Kaine~~]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

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	::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
	::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			:::::I can get a screen cap from Pegasus or Res Ship if you still need one. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 17:10, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

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	:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		:::For great justice, I'd go with "move all zig". --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 11:28, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
	::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)		::::"What you say?!" I just used a version of that one... --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:37, 9 May 2007 (CDT)
			::::The others are better in quality, however, so swap and share as desired by taste. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 9 May 2007 (CDT)

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	:We'll just have to wait and see. I'm just a long time fan of the original. A lot can and can not be said about it. When I saw the episode where Starbuck crashed on a planet where children were riding around on unicorns fighting the Cylons, I knew the show was dead. But it did have some good episodes. Comparison between the 2 is inevitable. Like the comparisons between the various versions of the movie ''The Phantom of the Opera,'' or any other redone work. Sorry, but I did have my hopes up. Did you ever read the Malibu Comics BG series ''Journey's End''? It showed one version of what they could have done. -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 22:56, 9 January 2006 (EST)		:We'll just have to wait and see. I'm just a long time fan of the original. A lot can and can not be said about it. When I saw the episode where Starbuck crashed on a planet where children were riding around on unicorns fighting the Cylons, I knew the show was dead. But it did have some good episodes. Comparison between the 2 is inevitable. Like the comparisons between the various versions of the movie ''The Phantom of the Opera,'' or any other redone work. Sorry, but I did have my hopes up. Did you ever read the Malibu Comics BG series ''Journey's End''? It showed one version of what they could have done. -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 22:56, 9 January 2006 (EST)

			:Looks like #2 happened. [[User:Sith Penguin Lord\|Sith Penguin Lord]] 15:30, 5 May 2007 (CDT)

	::"what does 'RDM' mean?" [[Ronald D. Moore]]. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 23:31, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::"what does 'RDM' mean?" [[Ronald D. Moore]]. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 23:31, 9 January 2006 (EST)

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	:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen ~~Kaine~~\|Citizen ~~Kaine~~]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

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	The spoiler boxes have a serious flaw--you can't see the "this is a spoiler" line at the top when you're using the Monobook skin. It's too dark to read. I highlighted and ended up seeing the spoiler, and I didn't want to. Of course now I know what the box is and I won't highlight it anymore, but I would appreciate it if the box could be edited to be compatible with all the skins. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 00:16, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		The spoiler boxes have a serious flaw--you can't see the "this is a spoiler" line at the top when you're using the Monobook skin. It's too dark to read. I highlighted and ended up seeing the spoiler, and I didn't want to. Of course now I know what the box is and I won't highlight it anymore, but I would appreciate it if the box could be edited to be compatible with all the skins. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 00:16, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:I'm copying this to [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy]], FYI. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:21, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:I'm copying this to [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Spoiler Policy]], FYI. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:21, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	==Helena?==		==Helena?==

	SciFi.com is calling her Helena Cain. What do they say in the episode and captions? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:08, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		SciFi.com is calling her Helena Cain. What do they say in the episode and captions? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:08, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	:''copied from [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Characters]]''		:''copied from [[Battlestar Wiki talk:Characters]]''
	Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		Okay. So, according to [http://scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season02/210/ this], Cain's name is Helena, not Nelena. The former seems like a much more, well, reasonable first name, but it could be a typo or whatever. Anyone know where we got Nelena from? --[[User:Day\|Day]] 16:43, 24 September 2005 (EDT)

	::IMDB says "Nelena". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		::IMDB says "Nelena". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:46, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	:::IMDB doesn't mena jack. Nelena was what all the spoilers called her, although Helena makes much more sense - the name means "Greek woman," which is obviously a connection with the background mythos of the series. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:::IMDB doesn't mena jack. Nelena was what all the spoilers called her, although Helena makes much more sense - the name means "Greek woman," which is obviously a connection with the background mythos of the series. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 17:06, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	::::I know it doesn't mean jack, but SciFi.com isn't always right either. Maybe someone who has the episode on tape could re-watch the scene where she's introduced and chime in? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:08, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		::::I know it doesn't mean jack, but SciFi.com isn't always right either. Maybe someone who has the episode on tape could re-watch the scene where she's introduced and chime in? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:08, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	:::::I taped the episode but they never say her name or see it printed: it's not in the end credits, and at the beginning it just says "Special Guest Star; Michelle Forbes". I checked and it is not in "Pegasus". We should find confirmation in "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 11:54, 18 October 2005 (EDT)		:::::I taped the episode but they never say her name or see it printed: it's not in the end credits, and at the beginning it just says "Special Guest Star; Michelle Forbes". I checked and it is not in "Pegasus". We should find confirmation in "Resurrection Ship". --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 11:54, 18 October 2005 (EDT)
	:::::Um, when has SciFi.com never been right? In fact, they had a lot of stuff before it was even shwon in the show - Tyrol's first name, the Celestra, and the ship specifications. All of those were backed up either by the show or ZOIC. And seeing as every name in the show has been a real name, and Nelena isn't, and Helena works with the Greek centrism of the show, there's no reason to think that it's wrong. And in any event, claiming that IMDb takes precedence over the official site is laughable. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 17:15, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		:::::Um, when has SciFi.com never been right? In fact, they had a lot of stuff before it was even shwon in the show - Tyrol's first name, the Celestra, and the ship specifications. All of those were backed up either by the show or ZOIC. And seeing as every name in the show has been a real name, and Nelena isn't, and Helena works with the Greek centrism of the show, there's no reason to think that it's wrong. And in any event, claiming that IMDb takes precedence over the official site is laughable. [[User:Kuralyov\|Kuralyov]] 17:15, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	::::::Well, for one thing their older pages spell "Gemenon" as "Geminon", which was contradicted by "Colonial Day" - note that Helena/Nelena is also a one-letter spelling difference. But I don't really feel the need to carry on an argument about whether IMDB or SciFi are more reliable, when we can simply watch the episode over again at our next opportunity and see what the characters actually say. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:37, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		::::::Well, for one thing their older pages spell "Gemenon" as "Geminon", which was contradicted by "Colonial Day" - note that Helena/Nelena is also a one-letter spelling difference. But I don't really feel the need to carry on an argument about whether IMDB or SciFi are more reliable, when we can simply watch the episode over again at our next opportunity and see what the characters actually say. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:37, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	: Please remember to be, well, cautious about content from Sci-Fi and IMDb. They've had errors crop up on both pages before; for instance, Paul Tigh instead of Saul Tigh, and I believe they even indicated that the character [[Grimes]] (in "[[Colonial Day]]") was also an assassin at one point. As for IMDb, they're really hit or miss on things such as this. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:58, 24 September 2005 (EDT)		: Please remember to be, well, cautious about content from Sci-Fi and IMDb. They've had errors crop up on both pages before; for instance, Paul Tigh instead of Saul Tigh, and I believe they even indicated that the character [[Grimes]] (in "[[Colonial Day]]") was also an assassin at one point. As for IMDb, they're really hit or miss on things such as this. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:58, 24 September 2005 (EDT)
	::I can see where a typo could have occurred with the similarity between a capital "N" or "H." Still, it makes it harder when the character name is not used in speech in an episode to verify. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:46, 18 October 2005 (EDT)		::I can see where a typo could have occurred with the similarity between a capital "N" or "H." Still, it makes it harder when the character name is not used in speech in an episode to verify. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:46, 18 October 2005 (EDT)
	:::Isn't she in the credits? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:24, 18 October 2005 (EDT)		:::Isn't she in the credits? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:24, 18 October 2005 (EDT)

	==Why?==		==Why?==
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	::::"Who are you?" -- "What do you want?" And what are you talking about? -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 18:32, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::::"Who are you?" -- "What do you want?" And what are you talking about? -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 18:32, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	::::Ricimer, I'm going to have to start keeping a private list of your hostile remarks. Expect this to come up at your next RFA. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 18:42, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::::Ricimer, I'm going to have to start keeping a private list of your hostile remarks. Expect this to come up at your next RFA. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 18:42, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	:::::A) No this is not a "hostile remark"; it is a warning that simple trolling is grounds for banning; as this has ''not'' happened, it proved to be unnecessary. Under '''no''' circumstances does saying "play nice, we do ban people who misbehave", without any actual berating, mean "hostility". You are being unfair in this Farago, as when I had that arguement with SgtPayne and you chastized me...only for me to find that the one who offended SgtPayne was ''you'' and not myself. I haven't actually done anything wrong, so please stop tring to get blood from a stone. '''B)''' In hindsight, it appears that Centuri probably ''wasn't'' aware of this, but on many messageboards I go to, this guy named Languatron (or Spider as he now calls himself) floods the messageboards with trollings about how much "Helena Cain" ruined the TOS character. I tried ot introduce BSG to the E Online's new forums, and he kind of destroyed them as they have no moderators there. I am sorry if I have mislabeled this person, but I must say, at first glance it looked like the ''exact same'' rhetoric as the one used by a troll who tried to bring down TNS sites. "I appologize for the inconvenience..."--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:43, 9 January 2006 (EST)		:::::A) No this is not a "hostile remark"; it is a warning that simple trolling is grounds for banning; as this has ''not'' happened, it proved to be unnecessary. Under '''no''' circumstances does saying "play nice, we do ban people who misbehave", without any actual berating, mean "hostility". You are being unfair in this Farago, as when I had that arguement with SgtPayne and you chastized me...only for me to find that the one who offended SgtPayne was ''you'' and not myself. I haven't actually done anything wrong, so please stop tring to get blood from a stone. '''B)''' In hindsight, it appears that Centuri probably ''wasn't'' aware of this, but on many messageboards I go to, this guy named Languatron (or Spider as he now calls himself) floods the messageboards with trollings about how much "Helena Cain" ruined the TOS character. I tried ot introduce BSG to the E Online's new forums, and he kind of destroyed them as they have no moderators there. I am sorry if I have mislabeled this person, but I must say, at first glance it looked like the ''exact same'' rhetoric as the one used by a troll who tried to bring down TNS sites. "I appologize for the inconvenience..."--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:43, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	::::::It doesn't matter whether the deletion was yours or mine, or whether Centuri is a sockpuppet for someone you know or not. You need to moderate your tone, react less hastily, and extend the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:57, 9 January 2006 (EST)		::::::It doesn't matter whether the deletion was yours or mine, or whether Centuri is a sockpuppet for someone you know or not. You need to moderate your tone, react less hastily, and extend the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:57, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	::::::"rhetoric"? -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 00:45, 10 January 2006 (EST)		::::::"rhetoric"? -- [[User:Centuri\|Centuri]] 00:45, 10 January 2006 (EST)
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	:::::1 - A regular and prolific contributor here.		:::::1 - A regular and prolific contributor here.
	:::::2 - I have no idea. Maybe a fight he had on wikipedia. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:27, 9 January 2006 (EST)		:::::2 - I have no idea. Maybe a fight he had on wikipedia. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:27, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	:"There is no way any officer in any military heirarcy could rise through the ranks or have any respect from their subordinates with such a cold blooded additude." Oh, how I wish that were true... As for her orders' illegality, I don't think it's really clear that anything she's done is explicitly illegal -- though that certainly doesn't make her actions acceptable. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 17:24, 8 January 2006 (EST)		:"There is no way any officer in any military heirarcy could rise through the ranks or have any respect from their subordinates with such a cold blooded additude." Oh, how I wish that were true... As for her orders' illegality, I don't think it's really clear that anything she's done is explicitly illegal -- though that certainly doesn't make her actions acceptable. --[[User:Redwall\|Redwall]] 17:24, 8 January 2006 (EST)
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	===if you find the show unenjoyable===		===if you find the show unenjoyable===

	As for you, Centuri, if you find the show unenjoyable, you certainly aren't required to watch it or contribute to the RDM articles here. There are [[TOS\|other series]] in need of documentation. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 21:32, 9 January 2006 (EST)		As for you, Centuri, if you find the show unenjoyable, you certainly aren't required to watch it or contribute to the RDM articles here. There are [[TOS\|other series]] in need of documentation. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 21:32, 9 January 2006 (EST)

	:My friend (I hope I may address you as such), you are right. Nobody says that I must watch the RDM (what does "RDM" mean?) series. As a general rule, I do not -- I was so major turned off by what we were given after so many years of waiting. But then, there was the news of the coming of the Pegasus -- I felt that this would be worth checking out. Surly, the introduction of the Pegasus would be a major turning point just as it was in the original series. I had my hopes up that they were going to turn things in a more energetic direction -- and I was sure wrong, it only got worse. Only curiosity about the conclusion has me going now. I will watch the conclusion, only because I want to find out who kills who. As I see it, there are 5 possibilities:		:My friend (I hope I may address you as such), you are right. Nobody says that I must watch the RDM (what does "RDM" mean?) series. As a general rule, I do not -- I was so major turned off by what we were given after so many years of waiting. But then, there was the news of the coming of the Pegasus -- I felt that this would be worth checking out. Surly, the introduction of the Pegasus would be a major turning point just as it was in the original series. I had my hopes up that they were going to turn things in a more energetic direction -- and I was sure wrong, it only got worse. Only curiosity about the conclusion has me going now. I will watch the conclusion, only because I want to find out who kills who. As I see it, there are 5 possibilities:
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	Also, would anyone mind tuning up Cain's entry on Wikipedia? Im not asking for an exact copy, but maybe adding a little more detail (including her origins and the 800 deaths). --[[User:DrBat\|DrBat]] 18:34, 15 January 2006 (EST)		Also, would anyone mind tuning up Cain's entry on Wikipedia? Im not asking for an exact copy, but maybe adding a little more detail (including her origins and the 800 deaths). --[[User:DrBat\|DrBat]] 18:34, 15 January 2006 (EST)

	:This was spurious information based on a spoiler someone provided before the episode aired. Confer [[Talk:Pegasus (episode)#Gina killed 800?]]. I thought we'd expurgated those references from the wiki, but apparently this is a tenacious bit of misinformation. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:20, 16 January 2006 (EST)		:This was spurious information based on a spoiler someone provided before the episode aired. Confer [[Talk:Pegasus (episode)#Gina killed 800?]]. I thought we'd expurgated those references from the wiki, but apparently this is a tenacious bit of misinformation. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:20, 16 January 2006 (EST)

	::Actually in the Extended Cut it's mentioned that Gina helped Cylon Centurion to get aboard Pegasus which caused over 800 deaths. But saying "over 700" would still be correct ;) --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:22, 17 September 2006 (CDT)		::Actually in the Extended Cut it's mentioned that Gina helped Cylon Centurion to get aboard Pegasus which caused over 800 deaths. But saying "over 700" would still be correct ;) --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 13:22, 17 September 2006 (CDT)
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	:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:That's a good catch. If you like, add it to the Notes section of the article, [[Resurrection Ship, Part I]]. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:39, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		::Cain is taken from the commander of the original Pegasus. As there was no conflict between adama then i doubt that its the case. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 11:46, 4 October 2006 (CDT)
	:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)		:The reference is pretty obvious, but as Mercifull notes, the name ultimately derives from the TOS character who was featured in considerably different circumstances. It is also evocative of [[Wikipedia:Citizen Kane\|Citizen Kane]] and [[Wikipedia:The Caine Mutiny\|The Caine Mutiny]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 11:53, 4 October 2006 (CDT)

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