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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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Text replacement - "[[Image:" to "[[File:"

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	I was wondering if perhaps we should change what could be considered the "main image" for the promotional picutre in which Gaius is shown looking religious with Number Six at his back.		I was wondering if perhaps we should change what could be considered the "main image" for the promotional picutre in which Gaius is shown looking religious with Number Six at his back.
	[[~~Image~~:Cylon God.jpg\|thumb\|250px]]		[[File:Cylon God.jpg\|thumb\|250px]]
	I feel like this might best represent the article, given the association both characters have with the Cylon God and the specific representation in the picture. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 23:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)		I feel like this might best represent the article, given the association both characters have with the Cylon God and the specific representation in the picture. --[[User:Sauron18\|Sauron18]] 23:42, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
	:Or Baltar praying from [[He That Believeth In Me]]? {{unsigned\|OTW}}		:Or Baltar praying from [[He That Believeth In Me]]? {{unsigned\|OTW}}

Noneofyourbusiness at 16:10, 28 February 2010

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	::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

	:::But there's no concrete proof that the angels' boss is the orchestrator of all the coincidences and not as much a part of the pattern as everyone else. There's also at least one case of Baltar not managing what Six wanted him to do: in Downloaded. I think this is a plan that looks more inevitable than it is to an outsider. No changes to articles are called for by this; it's already noted that the meeting at the Algae Planet and the survival of all the Final Five are ~~seeminlgy~~ in defiance of the odds because the characters remark on that. We can't say exactly how it happened because we don't have an overt proof to that effect. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		:::But there's no concrete proof that the angels' boss is the orchestrator of all the coincidences and not as much a part of the pattern as everyone else. There's also at least one case of Baltar not managing what Six wanted him to do: in Downloaded. I think this is a plan that looks more inevitable than it is to an outsider. No changes to articles are called for by this; it's already noted that the meeting at the Algae Planet and the survival of all the Final Five are seemingly in defiance of the odds because the characters remark on that. We can't say exactly how it happened because we don't have an overt proof to that effect. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 15:24, 28 February 2010

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	::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

	:::But there's no concrete proof that the angels' boss is the orchestrator of all the coincidences and not as much a part of the pattern as everyone else. There's also at least one case of Baltar not managing what Six wanted him to do: in Downloaded. I think this is a plan that looks more inevitable than it is to an outsider. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		:::But there's no concrete proof that the angels' boss is the orchestrator of all the coincidences and not as much a part of the pattern as everyone else. There's also at least one case of Baltar not managing what Six wanted him to do: in Downloaded. I think this is a plan that looks more inevitable than it is to an outsider. No changes to articles are called for by this; it's already noted that the meeting at the Algae Planet and the survival of all the Final Five are seeminlgy in defiance of the odds because the characters remark on that. We can't say exactly how it happened because we don't have an overt proof to that effect. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 15:21, 28 February 2010

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	::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

			:::But there's no concrete proof that the angels' boss is the orchestrator of all the coincidences and not as much a part of the pattern as everyone else. There's also at least one case of Baltar not managing what Six wanted him to do: in Downloaded. I think this is a plan that looks more inevitable than it is to an outsider. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 15:21, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Liquidcross: /* "Daybreak" retconning the entire series */

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"Daybreak" retconning the entire series

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	:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If it hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. We can't say that God set up the timing of every one of the events you mention in that list without direct statements to that effect either onscreen or from the producers. Otherwise we veer into speculation territory. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If it hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. We can't say that God set up the timing of every one of the events you mention in that list without direct statements to that effect either onscreen or from the producers. Otherwise we veer into speculation territory. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

			::I wondered about the "influence" thing, too, until I read [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/can-you-be-merely-influenced-god this]. Oh, and just to make it clear...I'm ''not'' trying to rain on anyone's parade here. I'm just wondering exactly what I can and cannot writer before I make any edits to real articles instead of just talk pages! :) -- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 05:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 00:48, 28 February 2010

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	-- [[User:These\|These]] 18:19, 27 February 2010 UTC		-- [[User:These\|These]] 18:19, 27 February 2010 UTC

	:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If it hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If it hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. We can't say that God set up the timing of every one of the events you mention in that list without direct statements to that effect either onscreen or from the producers. Otherwise we veer into speculation territory. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 00:43, 28 February 2010

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	:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)		:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If it hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Noneofyourbusiness at 00:42, 28 February 2010

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	-- [[User:These\|These]] 18:19, 27 February 2010 UTC		-- [[User:These\|These]] 18:19, 27 February 2010 UTC

			:Yeah, that way overstates God's control over things. It may have used The Music as a clue, but Starbuck chose to follow it. If hadn't been possible for Baltar and Six to fail in their part of the plan, there would be no need to send the messengers to them, and the fact that Head Six changed her tune from time to time indicates improvisation. Etc. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 00:42, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

These: /* "Daybreak" retconning the entire series */

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	-- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 16:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)		-- [[User:Liquidcross\|Liquidcross]] 16:59, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

			I would probably say no myself, and its because I think that that theory overstates how much control that the 'God' entity has in the BSG universe. For one thing, its never stated that 'God' controls everything or that he has the power or ability to do things on a large scale (besides of course, bringing the dead back to life).

			Maybe your right, maybe it was 'God's' will that made it all happen but I think that it was the character's experiences that was set up by the entity that called itself 'God' which helped them make the decisions that they did and we don't know enough about the entity to make these kinds of rationalisations.

			-- [[User:These\|These]] 18:19, 27 February 2010 UTC

Liquidcross: /* "Daybreak" retconning the entire series */

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	== "Daybreak" retconning the entire series ==		== "Daybreak" retconning the entire series ==

	Since we discovered in "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" that God was indeed behind all of the show's mysteries, shouldn't individual articles be updated to reflect God's ultimate control over all events and people that we've seen throughout the entire series? Since God was aware of the [[Battle of the Colony]] as least as far back as the time of the Final Five (which is why [[the Music]]/Coordinates were programmed into Sam back then), then God would have been strictly controlling all events and people up until the Battle so that Kara could punch in the numbers. Therefore, it should be noted that no characters had any free will choice; everything they did was determined and controlled by God. (For a list that explains this in more detail, I refer you to [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/story-bsg-god-gog Brad Templeton's blog].)		Since we discovered in "[[Daybreak, Part II]]" that God was indeed behind all of the show's mysteries, shouldn't individual articles be updated to reflect God's ultimate control over all events and people that we've seen throughout the entire series? Since God was aware of the [[Battle of the Colony]] as least as far back as the time of the Final Five (which is why [[the Music]]/Coordinates were programmed into Sam back then), then God would have been strictly controlling all events and people up until the Battle so that Kara could punch in the numbers. Therefore, it should be noted that no characters had any free will or choice; everything they did was determined and controlled by God. (For a list that explains this in more detail, I refer you to [http://ideas.4brad.com/battlestar/story-bsg-god-gog Brad Templeton's blog].)

	This could also affect ''Caprica'', but it's possible (albeit ''very'' remotely) that the new show will explain what God actually is.		This could also affect ''Caprica'', but it's possible (albeit ''very'' remotely) that the new show will explain what God actually is.