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Political analysis

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	I´m not sure if this should be included into the "analysis" topic.		I´m not sure if this should be included into the "analysis" topic.

	~~Two~~ important themes.		A few important themes.
	1) It asks the question of the "humanity" of Cylons. Kara Thrace often chalenges Leoben's claim into being a living being with a soul. It might be viewd as a philosohical question of what defines humanity and what makes us have a soul. Humans are made of "flesh and bones", a biological mechanism not very different from the Cylons. The question is: aren´t we (humans) also a kind of machine programed somehow to believe in God(s)?		1) It asks the question of the "humanity" of Cylons. Kara Thrace often chalenges Leoben's claim into being a living being with a soul. It might be viewd as a philosohical question of what defines humanity and what makes us have a soul. Humans are made of "flesh and bones", a biological mechanism not very different from the Cylons. The question is: aren´t we (humans) also a kind of machine programed somehow to believe in God(s)?
	2) There is a direct relationship between the torture of Leoben and the "thicking bomb" exemple used to justify torture of guatanamo prisioners. Leoben criticises the military of "dehumanize" its victims. By treating him as less-than-human, the torture could be justified.		2) There is a direct relationship between the torture of Leoben and the "thicking bomb" exemple used to justify torture of guatanamo prisioners. Leoben criticises the military of "dehumanize" its victims. By treating him as less-than-human, the torture could be justified.
			3) Loeben seems to have a religious justification for the destruction of humanity. He describes the attack as an kind of moral action to eliminate a sinnfull race. It is both an insight into the Cylons' motivation and another reference to contemporary politics by representing the Cylons as religious fanatics.

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	:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)		:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)

			== Political analysis ==

			I´m not sure if this should be included into the "analysis" topic.

			Two important themes.
			1) It asks the question of the "humanity" of Cylons. Kara Thrace often chalenges Leoben's claim into being a living being with a soul. It might be viewd as a philosohical question of what defines humanity and what makes us have a soul. Humans are made of "flesh and bones", a biological mechanism not very different from the Cylons. The question is: aren´t we (humans) also a kind of machine programed somehow to believe in God(s)?
			2) There is a direct relationship between the torture of Leoben and the "thicking bomb" exemple used to justify torture of guatanamo prisioners. Leoben criticises the military of "dehumanize" its victims. By treating him as less-than-human, the torture could be justified.

Ronald at 10:38, 19 November 2007

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	:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)		:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)
	::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)		::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)

			:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: just the facts...

2007-11-19T01:59:01Z

just the facts...

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	:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)		:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)
			::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: citation needed

2007-11-19T01:49:09Z

citation needed

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	:It might be, Ronald. If significant, it would be at least the [[The Music\|second time]] that music makes a connection to the fate of the Colonials and the Cylons. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 19:16, 18 November 2007 (CST)		:It might be, Ronald. If significant, it would be at least the [[The Music\|second time]] that music makes a connection to the fate of the Colonials and the Cylons. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 19:16, 18 November 2007 (CST)

			:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Spencerian: +reply

2007-11-19T01:16:05Z

+reply

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	--[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 15:29, 18 November 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 15:29, 18 November 2007 (CST)

			:It might be, Ronald. If significant, it would be at least the [[The Music\|second time]] that music makes a connection to the fate of the Colonials and the Cylons. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 19:16, 18 November 2007 (CST)

Ronald: New page: I am not sure if this is of interest: The article says (under Notes): "At the beginning of this episode, Boomer is humming a melody when she touches the captured Cylon Raider. The melody...

2007-11-18T21:29:31Z

New page: I am not sure if this is of interest: The article says (under Notes): "At the beginning of this episode, Boomer is humming a melody when she touches the captured Cylon Raider. The melody...

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I am not sure if this is of interest:

The article says (under Notes): "At the beginning of this episode, Boomer is humming a melody when she touches the captured Cylon Raider. The melody is from a Korean children's song, 'The spring pool on the mountain'."

It may be known in Korea as 'The spring pool on the mountain', but I am quite certain that it is a German song known as "Drunten im Unterland" from the 19th century (music by Friedrich Silcher, text by Gottfried Weigle).

See http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/show_song.php?ix=300138

Listen to [http://www.lieder-archiv.de/lieder/midi/300138.mid this MIDI file] (seconds 12-22) or [http://ingeb.org/Lieder/drunten2.mid another MIDI file].

--[[User:Ronald|Ronald]] 15:29, 18 November 2007 (CST)

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	:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)		:I think we need a citation on the 'The spring pool on the mountain' reference. I think that came from Grace Park in an interview on Scifi.com, but I'm not 100% sure. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:49, 18 November 2007 (CST)
	::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)		::[http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=40019#videoid=31753 This is the interview]. Tune to about 1:06 left for the question and answer. She doesn't specifically mention the name of the song, just that it was a "folk song, or it's a Korean lullaby that my mom sang to us." I'm not sure where the name came in, or if the song sounds like that. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:59, 18 November 2007 (CST)

			:::Thanks for the reference to the interview. I believe that Grace Park's comment ""It's actually not totally ad-lib. ''I chose that song''" is important - so it probably has no significance for the story. --[[User:Ronald\|Ronald]] 04:38, 19 November 2007 (CST)