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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	:''Upon review of the footage, it looks like Fireball simply had severe damage to his Viper preventing him from ejecting. Since it's not his Viper that blows up (it's another pilot Deadbolt), then it's possible Fireball survived.''		:''Upon review of the footage, it looks like Fireball simply had severe damage to his Viper preventing him from ejecting. Since it's not his Viper that blows up (it's another pilot Deadbolt), then it's possible Fireball survived.''

	As per my comments in [[Talk:Stepchild]], I think the on-screen evidence that he died is very strong, and since there is no evidence to the contrary, this note is not warranted. However, the mention that it is Deadbolt's viper which is destroyed, not Fireball's, is potentially interesting, and I would like to keep this note on the talk page to revisit after re-watching the relevant scene. This has potential significance for both [[Galactica (RDM)]]'s Viper tally and [[List of Pilots]]. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:33, 23 December 2005 (EST)		As per my comments in [[Talk:Stepchild]], I think the on-screen evidence that he died is very strong, and since there is no evidence to the contrary, this note is not warranted. However, the mention that it is Deadbolt's viper which is destroyed, not Fireball's, is potentially interesting, and I would like to keep this note on the talk page to revisit after re-watching the relevant scene. This has potential significance for both [[Galactica (RDM)]]'s Viper tally and [[List of Pilots]]. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:33, 23 December 2005 (EST)


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	:*The clear implication that Fireball was killed off-screen.		:*The clear implication that Fireball was killed off-screen.
	:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper glimpsed in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.		:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper glimpsed in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.
	:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)		:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)


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	::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--Ltcrashdown 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)		::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--Ltcrashdown 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)

	:::By all means. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)		:::By all means. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)


	Alas poor Fireball. You truly are dead. I shed a tear for you, who we hardly knew. --Ltcrashdown 23:09, 3 February 2006 (EST)		Alas poor Fireball. You truly are dead. I shed a tear for you, who we hardly knew. --Ltcrashdown 23:09, 3 February 2006 (EST)

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	:::By all means. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)		:::By all means. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)


			Alas poor Fireball. You truly are dead. I shed a tear for you, who we hardly knew. --Ltcrashdown 23:09, 3 February 2006 (EST)

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	~~[[User:~~Ltcrashdown~~\|Ltcrashdown]]~~ wrote:		Ltcrashdown wrote:
	:''Upon review of the footage, it looks like Fireball simply had severe damage to his Viper preventing him from ejecting. Since it's not his Viper that blows up (it's another pilot Deadbolt), then it's possible Fireball survived.''		:''Upon review of the footage, it looks like Fireball simply had severe damage to his Viper preventing him from ejecting. Since it's not his Viper that blows up (it's another pilot Deadbolt), then it's possible Fireball survived.''

Ltcrashdown at 13:42, 2 January 2006

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	So it looks like I was wrong. The dead Viper wasn't Deadbolt, but actually another pilot called Spinner. I apologize for that mistake. However, this does still give credence to Fireball still being alive but not likely. ~~[[User:~~Ltcrashdown~~\|Ltcrashdown]]~~ December 23, 2005		So it looks like I was wrong. The dead Viper wasn't Deadbolt, but actually another pilot called Spinner. I apologize for that mistake. However, this does still give credence to Fireball still being alive but not likely. Ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

	:Your analysis is good and your point is well-made, but my reply is still that since, unlike Perry, we have no reason to suspect that Fireball ''might'' be alive, noting the fact that his death took place off-screen, after receiving crippling fire is not very useful. The clear implication is that his was one of the Vipers destroyed in the attack, which is bolstered by the fact that it is Hot Dog who takes command of the strike force during the "raiders bugging out" sequence.		:Your analysis is good and your point is well-made, but my reply is still that since, unlike Perry, we have no reason to suspect that Fireball ''might'' be alive, noting the fact that his death took place off-screen, after receiving crippling fire is not very useful. The clear implication is that his was one of the Vipers destroyed in the attack, which is bolstered by the fact that it is Hot Dog who takes command of the strike force during the "raiders bugging out" sequence.
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			::Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.
			::I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. ltcrashdown December 23, 2005

			::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--Ltcrashdown 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)

	~~Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.~~
	:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005
	::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)
	:::By all means. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)		:::By all means. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)

April Arcus at 05:53, 26 December 2005

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	:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005		:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005
	::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)		::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)
			:::By all means. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 00:53, 26 December 2005 (EST)

Ltcrashdown at 04:50, 26 December 2005

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	Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.		Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.
	:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005		:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005
	::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added Spinner to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)		::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added [[Spinner]] to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)

Ltcrashdown at 04:49, 26 December 2005

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	Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.		Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.
	:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005		:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005
	::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added Spinner to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--Ltcrashdown 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)		::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added Spinner to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--[[Ltcrashdown]] 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)

Ltcrashdown at 04:49, 26 December 2005

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	Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.		Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.
			:I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005
	I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005		::Follow up to the above posts, would it be okay if I went ahead and added Spinner to the list of dead pilots from [[Hand of God]]? I could also add [[Buzzer]] to the list of unknown callsigns.--Ltcrashdown 23:49, 25 December 2005 (EST)

Ltcrashdown at 02:20, 24 December 2005

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	:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper glimpsed in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.		:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper glimpsed in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.
	:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)		:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)



			Thank you for the prompt reply. I'm glad that I have someone to discuss these details with.

			I agree that certain source have been complicating this discussion. Until we have more facts, I'm willing to let this go until we have something else to determine which of the above two conclusions is correct. I agree that your two proposals are the best alternatives to this discussion. [[User:Ltcrashdown\|Ltcrashdown]] December 23, 2005

April Arcus at 02:07, 24 December 2005

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	:*The fact that at the time of the beginning of The Hand of God, there were apparently 14 nuggets, not the 8 noted by SciFi (see [[List of Pilots]]).		:*The fact that at the time of the beginning of The Hand of God, there were apparently 14 nuggets, not the 8 noted by SciFi (see [[List of Pilots]]).
	:*The clear implication that Fireball was killed off-screen.		:*The clear implication that Fireball was killed off-screen.
	:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper ~~glimipsed~~ in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.		:*The implausibility of Hot Dog's severely damaged viper glimpsed in "You Can't Go Home Again" being successfully repaired.
	:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)		:I believe the evidence is stronger for the second conclusion, and that SciFi's CAG Roster should not be considered as a valid source. However, we might make a (concise) note of this dilemma on the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]] page. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 20:43, 23 December 2005 (EST)