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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line "I had no idea" suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)		::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line "I had no idea" suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

	:::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)		:::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

	::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)		::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Spencerian: /* Boomer's count of Cylons in fleet */ -reply

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Boomer's count of Cylons in fleet: -reply

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	<blockquote>The Boomer copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Given that these Seven do not interact (or are unwilling to interact) with the Five at the time, the number that Boomer gives is likely other copies of the Seven in disguise.</blockquote>		<blockquote>The Boomer copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Given that these Seven do not interact (or are unwilling to interact) with the Five at the time, the number that Boomer gives is likely other copies of the Seven in disguise.</blockquote>
	At least as likely, it seems to me, is that she was telling the truth when she said she didn't know, and the 8 was just a made up number to save Galen's life. [[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 01:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)		At least as likely, it seems to me, is that she was telling the truth when she said she didn't know, and the 8 was just a made up number to save Galen's life. [[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 01:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
			:Hi, Capedia. This is one of those questions we may never fully know because, basically, it's not very relevant to the overall plot of the show (save, maybe, [[Final Five\|the last Cylon]].) Your premise, however, is very likely. At the time of the episode's airing, we had yet to know of [[D'Anna Biers]] and [[Brother Cavil]], and [[Saul Tigh]], [[Tory Foster]] and [[Galen Tyrol]] were not yet "outed." [[Samuel Anders]] was not with the [[The Fleet (RDM)\|Fleet]] until the end of season 2, so it's a fair assumption that other copies of the Significant Seven (particularly a [[Number Six]] or so, who are great at disguise, like [[Gina Inviere]], or [[Simon]]s, who were not known by the Fleet except by [[Kara Thrace]] and the [[Caprica Resistance]]) were hiding about. So, after a fashion, it seems Boomer's "guess" was likely the truth. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 02:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Capedia: /* Boomer's count of Cylons in fleet */ new section

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	::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. It's also relevant to [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. It's also relevant to [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

			== Boomer's count of Cylons in fleet ==

			From the article:
			<blockquote>The Boomer copy of Number Eight, interrogated by Baltar, declares there are eight Cylons in the Fleet. Given that these Seven do not interact (or are unwilling to interact) with the Five at the time, the number that Boomer gives is likely other copies of the Seven in disguise.</blockquote>
			At least as likely, it seems to me, is that she was telling the truth when she said she didn't know, and the 8 was just a made up number to save Galen's life. [[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 01:05, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Gordon Ecker: /* Aaron Douglas spilling the beans */

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Aaron Douglas spilling the beans

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	: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)		: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

	::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. It's also relevant to [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Gordon Ecker: /* Aaron Douglas spilling the beans */

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Aaron Douglas spilling the beans

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	: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)		: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

	::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be, [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)		::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Gordon Ecker: /* Aaron Douglas spilling the beans */

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Aaron Douglas spilling the beans

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	: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)		: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

			::Maybe they used to have other copies. Anyway, IMO the main articles this would be relevant to would be, [[Final Five]], [[Humanoid Cylon]], [[Thirteenth Tribe (RDM)]] and [[Cylon History]]. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:27, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Aaron Douglas spilling the beans */ reply

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Aaron Douglas spilling the beans: reply

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	Anyway, much food for thought there. Just wanted to know if it's a good idea or within the wiki policy to be able to mention this anywhere? --[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)		Anyway, much food for thought there. Just wanted to know if it's a good idea or within the wiki policy to be able to mention this anywhere? --[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

			: Printed interviews are valid. We just need thorough referencing of what was said, however. Further, since these are considered spoilers, they do need to be encased in the proper tags. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Werthead at 00:55, 29 August 2008

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	:I believe your answer will be found [[Humanoid Cylon speculation#Clues from Official Sources\|here]]. --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 14:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)		:I believe your answer will be found [[Humanoid Cylon speculation#Clues from Official Sources\|here]]. --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 14:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

			::My understanding is that they've known who the Fifth is since late Season 1. They had an idea that Tyrol might be one from late Season 2 onwards, hence his weird dream in the Season 2 finale. I'm pretty sure they definitely decided Tyrol was going to be one when they had him discover the Temple of Five on the algae planet. Anders and Tory I think they decided on towards the end of Season 3. According to the recent Comi-Con panel, it was a toss-up between Tigh and Gaeta for the last one, and they didn't fully commit to Tigh until they started shooting the Season 3 finale.--[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

			== Aaron Douglas spilling the beans ==
			Aaron Douglas comes right out in an interview in this month's issue of SFX Magazine (#174) in the UK and explains the backstory of the Penultimate Four in some detail, including their relationship with Earth and the Twelve Colonies. It also shines a light on the history of the 13th Colony and why they left Kobol separately to the others. It's a pretty monumental spoiler, from a viable source (print interviews are valid, right?). Is this worth mentioning in the article? Or should we hold off in case Douglas was incorrect, actively spreading disinformation or his revelations may have been invalidated by later events (the interview took place before the filming of the finale, I believe)?

			The spoilers essentially are:

			{{spoiltext\|That the 13th Tribe consisted of a race of artificial lifeforms who would be the ancient Kobolian equivalent of Cylons. Their relationship to the other 12 tribes on Kobol is not made clear. These Cylons left and settled on, "or made," Earth. Several decades ago, they destroyed themselves in a war and the four survivors made their way to the Twelve Colonies to find out more about the Cycle of Time and to investigate the self-destructive streak that humans have, and passed down to their creations. After infiltrating the Colonies, the P4 shut off their Cylon sides, programming them only to wake up if they were brought close to Earth again. It's tempting to add tons of extrapolation to this, but that's the essence of what he says. No mention is made of the Final Cylon, who it is or why they remain anonymous. No mention is made of a relationship between the P4 and the S7 other than that the S7 hold them in awe, although it could be extrapolated that the P4 were involved in the creation of the S7, or at least in the programming of the humanoid models if not the creation of the modern Cylons (or, in this case, the recreation of the original Cylons). There is also no comment on how the P4 just happened to survive the destruction of Earth, or how they ended up either in the Fleet or among the survivors on Caprica. There is also no information given on how the P4 have simultaneously survived for thousands of years - assuming they are the same as the priests who built the Temple of Five - yet Tigh has noticeably aged during his acquaintence with Adama. Douglas' only further comment was that the P4 do not have multiple copies. Interestingly, I heard a spoiler a while back that Tyrol starts receiving memories from a 'prior incarnation' in the last few episodes: perhaps the P4 don't have copies but they can download into new bodies? Maybe they can download into and take over human bodies, explaining why Tyrol and Anders remember their parents?}}

			Anyway, much food for thought there. Just wanted to know if it's a good idea or within the wiki policy to be able to mention this anywhere? --[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 00:55, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Mars: /* When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity? */

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When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity?

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	== When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity? ==		== When did the writers decide on the final Cylon's identity? ==
	IIRC it was at some point during season 2, but I can't find the source for that claim. IMO the timeframe should be mentioned in the notes if we can find a source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)		IIRC it was at some point during season 2, but I can't find the source for that claim. IMO the timeframe should be mentioned in the notes if we can find a source. -- [[User:Gordon Ecker\|Gordon Ecker]] 06:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

			:I believe your answer will be found [[Humanoid Cylon speculation#Clues from Official Sources\|here]]. --[[User:Mars\|Mars]] 14:14, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Xlynx: /* Proper Noun or not? */

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Proper Noun or not?

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	:::Yup, Final Five. --[[User:BklynBruzer\|BklynBruzer]] 23:23, 21 April 2007 (CDT)		:::Yup, Final Five. --[[User:BklynBruzer\|BklynBruzer]] 23:23, 21 April 2007 (CDT)
	::::For consistency's sake, OK. Same for "Significant Seven" (although that is a production term and not an aired canonical one). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:47, 21 April 2007 (CDT)		::::For consistency's sake, OK. Same for "Significant Seven" (although that is a production term and not an aired canonical one). --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:47, 21 April 2007 (CDT)
			:As is stands the article is filled with simply "Five" or "Seven". I think this is very confusing because they can be confused with model numbers. I think they should either have the Final/Significant in front of them at all times, or be changed to lower case. Thoughts? -- [[User:Xlynx\|Xlynx]] 11:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

	== Possible Repercussions Against the Seven ==		== Possible Repercussions Against the Seven ==

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	::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line "I had no idea" suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)		::So much to apologize for. Tigh's eye (though that seemed a Cavil project). Putting Tyrol's wife on a death list. Beating up Anders. Outside, her centurions are shooting at Anders and Tyrol, and shot and seriously injured Anders' wife. Only Foster brings nothing to mind. However, I don't think it was any of them, and while we can list reasons like the ones I cite, the line "I had no idea" suggests it is somebody bigger. Because she certainly would have had an idea that the F5 were infiltrating the fleet, where else would they be, after all? But no, we can't list who the apology is to quite yet, and since she started a war that killed everybody's families and friends, it's hard to find somebody she could not apologize to.--[[User:Bradtem\|Bradtem]] 03:18, 29 March 2007 (CDT)

	:::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)		:::I think it was pretty obviously Anders, per Zach's comment and my own at [[Talk:Rapture#Deanna Recognition]]. One of the Five's was responsible for Tigh's eye, anyway. Can we word this more definitively now? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 05:17, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

	::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)		::::That's one interpretation... Frankly, once the Final Cylon is revealed, we'd probably have a better idea on who she apologized to. However, I do agree with both Peter and Zach based on the available evidence. She did assault and try to kill Anders on Caprica, and would've succeeded had D'Anna not had her head smashed in with a rock. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 06:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)