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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	Was it just me, or did this episode also expose more skin as it did other revelations about our characterss? Not that watching Ms. Sackoff kick the s*** out of a bag in a small workout suit was unappealing to me or anything. I'm sure female viewers were pleasantly stunned to see that Jamie Barber is not only handsome, but so buff you could wash clothes on his abs. The sexuality on the show hit a new high with this one. Considering that you would think that the population of the fleet would be trying to multiply like rabbits, I guess this should be expected later: somebody will have to make due on Roslin's suggestion that the fleet start to make babies. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:41, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		Was it just me, or did this episode also expose more skin as it did other revelations about our characterss? Not that watching Ms. Sackoff kick the s*** out of a bag in a small workout suit was unappealing to me or anything. I'm sure female viewers were pleasantly stunned to see that Jamie Barber is not only handsome, but so buff you could wash clothes on his abs. The sexuality on the show hit a new high with this one. Considering that you would think that the population of the fleet would be trying to multiply like rabbits, I guess this should be expected later: somebody will have to make due on Roslin's suggestion that the fleet start to make babies. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:41, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	:Yeah, I too thought the skin was gratuitous, and I am definitely heterosexual and female. I just don't like skin/sex for its own sake. An argument can be made that it shows the crew's humanity or something, but it bothers me a little. There is so much that this show ''is''; BSG doesn't need to stoop to the level of (Star Trek's) Troi's low-cut dresses, or Seven of Nine's skin-tight outfits. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 15:05, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		:Yeah, I too thought the skin was gratuitous, and I am definitely heterosexual and female. I just don't like skin/sex for its own sake. An argument can be made that it shows the crew's humanity or something, but it bothers me a little. There is so much that this show ''is''; BSG doesn't need to stoop to the level of (Star Trek's) Troi's low-cut dresses, or Seven of Nine's skin-tight outfits. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 15:05, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	::At least it's equal-opportunity stooping. There was a lot of sex in the miniseries too, and Tyrol and Boomer had a fairly graphic relationship for the first half of the first season. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:19, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		::At least it's equal-opportunity stooping. There was a lot of sex in the miniseries too, and Tyrol and Boomer had a fairly graphic relationship for the first half of the first season. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:19, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	:::''equal-opportunity stooping''.. Yeah, I agree that part of it is cool. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:12, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		:::''equal-opportunity stooping''.. Yeah, I agree that part of it is cool. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:12, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

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	A question/suggestion: Does anyone else think that those words mean the same thing? In the article, the items under "Summary" don't really sum-up the episode, since those are not the main action (the "Overview" is). Perhaps "Summary" could be renamed something like "Significant plot developments" or somesuch. (I'm being a detail-stickler.) --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:18, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		A question/suggestion: Does anyone else think that those words mean the same thing? In the article, the items under "Summary" don't really sum-up the episode, since those are not the main action (the "Overview" is). Perhaps "Summary" could be renamed something like "Significant plot developments" or somesuch. (I'm being a detail-stickler.) --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:18, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

	Spence had been doing our summaries lately (real summaries, as in the first season pages), but he seems behind lately. I don't think I really have his gift for it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:29, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		Spence had been doing our summaries lately (real summaries, as in the first season pages), but he seems behind lately. I don't think I really have his gift for it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:29, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

	: Thanks for the compliment, Peter, but I usually don't start any summaries, except for [[Flight of the Phoenix]] as that episode got me so excited. I do review, trim, fold, spindle and mutiliate other existing summary points more often than not, however. In fact, [[Final Cut]] might be due for a bit of it... :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:41, 18 September 2005 (EDT)		: Thanks for the compliment, Peter, but I usually don't start any summaries, except for [[Flight of the Phoenix]] as that episode got me so excited. I do review, trim, fold, spindle and mutiliate other existing summary points more often than not, however. In fact, [[Final Cut]] might be due for a bit of it... :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:41, 18 September 2005 (EDT)

DCAnderson: /* "...Three. It's Three!" */ new section

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"...Three. It's Three!": new section

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	--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)
	:Almost. It's the BSG TOS (not BSG 1980) title theme, rearranged by Bear McCreary. The start is played with TNS-style instruments and then it changes to SciFi-typical John Williams-style orchestral bombast. It's in fact the Colonial anthem and a short fanfare of it can be heard in the Miniseries when the Vipers make their ceremonial flyby --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)		:Almost. It's the BSG TOS (not BSG 1980) title theme, rearranged by Bear McCreary. The start is played with TNS-style instruments and then it changes to SciFi-typical John Williams-style orchestral bombast. It's in fact the Colonial anthem and a short fanfare of it can be heard in the Miniseries when the Vipers make their ceremonial flyby --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)

			== "...Three. It's Three!" ==

			I don't know if I'm just imagining it, but there is a scene in the hangar bay which opens with Chief Tyrol yelling to someone off camera, "...Three. It's three." This is immediately before Deana -who in fact IS #3- walks into the hangar deck.

			Is this some corny foreshadowing/lame joke, or was this just a total coincidence?--[[User:DCAnderson\|DCAnderson]] 16:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Serenity: Restoring deleted commented. Probably an accident

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Restoring deleted commented. Probably an accident

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	I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?		I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?
	--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)
			:Almost. It's the BSG TOS (not BSG 1980) title theme, rearranged by Bear McCreary. The start is played with TNS-style instruments and then it changes to SciFi-typical John Williams-style orchestral bombast. It's in fact the Colonial anthem and a short fanfare of it can be heard in the Miniseries when the Vipers make their ceremonial flyby --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Catrope at 22:18, 4 January 2007

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	It could be interpreted as an arbitrary choice to set a standard by the military (that happens to be inconceivably convenient for writers), automatic translation to go along with the idea that everything we're hearing is being flawlessly translated to current idiomatic English despite no decent explanation for that, a cultural relic inherited from Kobol from Earth, or any number of other things. Notably, there's no reason to have an identical hour if a day is not a highly composite multiple of an hour. It's wildly unlikely for a given world to have an exactly 12, 18, 24, 30, or 36 hour day, and those are, requiring the green belt, the only reasonable sizes. For that matter, '''the probablity of the rotation of an arbitrary planet being any integer multiple of an hour is exactly 0''' (assuming time is a continuous variable, which is a stock assumption for physics). Effectively, the only reasonable assumption is that it has nothing to do with the length of day on any colony or the average of the day on all colonies. I like the translation one, personally. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 5 January 2006 (EST)		It could be interpreted as an arbitrary choice to set a standard by the military (that happens to be inconceivably convenient for writers), automatic translation to go along with the idea that everything we're hearing is being flawlessly translated to current idiomatic English despite no decent explanation for that, a cultural relic inherited from Kobol from Earth, or any number of other things. Notably, there's no reason to have an identical hour if a day is not a highly composite multiple of an hour. It's wildly unlikely for a given world to have an exactly 12, 18, 24, 30, or 36 hour day, and those are, requiring the green belt, the only reasonable sizes. For that matter, '''the probablity of the rotation of an arbitrary planet being any integer multiple of an hour is exactly 0''' (assuming time is a continuous variable, which is a stock assumption for physics). Effectively, the only reasonable assumption is that it has nothing to do with the length of day on any colony or the average of the day on all colonies. I like the translation one, personally. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 5 January 2006 (EST)
			:The fact that all Twelve Colonies have different rotation times makes this even more interesting. (And they all have different g-constants...) --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]] 16:18, 4 January 2007 (CST)


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	I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?		I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?
	--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)

	:Almost. It's the BSG TOS (not BSG 1980) title theme, rearranged by Bear McCreary. The start is played with TNS-style instruments and then it changes to SciFi-typical John Williams-style orchestral bombast. It's in fact the Colonial anthem and a short fanfare of it can be heard in the Miniseries when the Vipers make their ceremonial flyby --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* The TV Program Background Music */

2007-01-04T18:34:27Z

The TV Program Background Music

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	I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?		I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?
	--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)		--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)

			:Almost. It's the BSG TOS (not BSG 1980) title theme, rearranged by Bear McCreary. The start is played with TNS-style instruments and then it changes to SciFi-typical John Williams-style orchestral bombast. It's in fact the Colonial anthem and a short fanfare of it can be heard in the Miniseries when the Vipers make their ceremonial flyby --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 12:34, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Desor at 18:30, 4 January 2007

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	:::I think that's the idea (as far as the RDM stuff is concerned). I guess the link to the relevent season page (which should have all the regulars listed) would be sufficient for finding those folks? I'm not that keen on going back and pulling all the guest stars out of the TOS and 1980 pages, so I'm going to wait it out and see how this goes. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:09, 2 February 2006 (EST)		:::I think that's the idea (as far as the RDM stuff is concerned). I guess the link to the relevent season page (which should have all the regulars listed) would be sufficient for finding those folks? I'm not that keen on going back and pulling all the guest stars out of the TOS and 1980 pages, so I'm going to wait it out and see how this goes. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:09, 2 February 2006 (EST)

			== The TV Program Background Music ==

			I don't have the earlier series available, but I seem to remember to have heard the background music of D'anna's final program before, as title music of the 1980 BG series... Am I right?
			--[[User:Desor\|Desor]] 12:30, 4 January 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Guest Star Template Concerns */ +comment

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Guest Star Template Concerns: +comment

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	::So, Lucy Lawless, Colm Feore, Michelle Forbes, and Richard Hatch would get into the top box, but I should stop inserting regular guest characters into the top?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 16:01, 2 February 2006 (EST)		::So, Lucy Lawless, Colm Feore, Michelle Forbes, and Richard Hatch would get into the top box, but I should stop inserting regular guest characters into the top?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 16:01, 2 February 2006 (EST)

			:::I think that's the idea (as far as the RDM stuff is concerned). I guess the link to the relevent season page (which should have all the regulars listed) would be sufficient for finding those folks? I'm not that keen on going back and pulling all the guest stars out of the TOS and 1980 pages, so I'm going to wait it out and see how this goes. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 16:09, 2 February 2006 (EST)

The Merovingian at 21:01, 2 February 2006

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	:See [[Template talk:Episode Data#Guest Stars]]. It was apparently decided to yank all guest stars to the body of the article, except for the rare exception that they were actually credited as "Special Guest Star". This was implemented on the RDM side, but not the TOS or 1980 pages. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:58, 2 February 2006 (EST)		:See [[Template talk:Episode Data#Guest Stars]]. It was apparently decided to yank all guest stars to the body of the article, except for the rare exception that they were actually credited as "Special Guest Star". This was implemented on the RDM side, but not the TOS or 1980 pages. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:58, 2 February 2006 (EST)

			::So, Lucy Lawless, Colm Feore, Michelle Forbes, and Richard Hatch would get into the top box, but I should stop inserting regular guest characters into the top?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 16:01, 2 February 2006 (EST)

Steelviper: + link to relevent discussion

2006-02-02T20:58:05Z

+ link to relevent discussion

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	I couldn't find the right place to mention this: some articles have all of the guest stars in the top episode box, others have them still listed on the bottom. Does this need updating?, or are they too long the other way, or what?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 15:54, 2 February 2006 (EST)		I couldn't find the right place to mention this: some articles have all of the guest stars in the top episode box, others have them still listed on the bottom. Does this need updating?, or are they too long the other way, or what?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 15:54, 2 February 2006 (EST)

			:See [[Template talk:Episode Data#Guest Stars]]. It was apparently decided to yank all guest stars to the body of the article, except for the rare exception that they were actually credited as "Special Guest Star". This was implemented on the RDM side, but not the TOS or 1980 pages. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:58, 2 February 2006 (EST)

The Merovingian at 20:54, 2 February 2006

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	It could be interpreted as an arbitrary choice to set a standard by the military (that happens to be inconceivably convenient for writers), automatic translation to go along with the idea that everything we're hearing is being flawlessly translated to current idiomatic English despite no decent explanation for that, a cultural relic inherited from Kobol from Earth, or any number of other things. Notably, there's no reason to have an identical hour if a day is not a highly composite multiple of an hour. It's wildly unlikely for a given world to have an exactly 12, 18, 24, 30, or 36 hour day, and those are, requiring the green belt, the only reasonable sizes. For that matter, '''the probablity of the rotation of an arbitrary planet being any integer multiple of an hour is exactly 0''' (assuming time is a continuous variable, which is a stock assumption for physics). Effectively, the only reasonable assumption is that it has nothing to do with the length of day on any colony or the average of the day on all colonies. I like the translation one, personally. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 5 January 2006 (EST)		It could be interpreted as an arbitrary choice to set a standard by the military (that happens to be inconceivably convenient for writers), automatic translation to go along with the idea that everything we're hearing is being flawlessly translated to current idiomatic English despite no decent explanation for that, a cultural relic inherited from Kobol from Earth, or any number of other things. Notably, there's no reason to have an identical hour if a day is not a highly composite multiple of an hour. It's wildly unlikely for a given world to have an exactly 12, 18, 24, 30, or 36 hour day, and those are, requiring the green belt, the only reasonable sizes. For that matter, '''the probablity of the rotation of an arbitrary planet being any integer multiple of an hour is exactly 0''' (assuming time is a continuous variable, which is a stock assumption for physics). Effectively, the only reasonable assumption is that it has nothing to do with the length of day on any colony or the average of the day on all colonies. I like the translation one, personally. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 01:11, 5 January 2006 (EST)


			==Guest Star Template Concerns==

			I couldn't find the right place to mention this: some articles have all of the guest stars in the top episode box, others have them still listed on the bottom. Does this need updating?, or are they too long the other way, or what?--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 15:54, 2 February 2006 (EST)

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	Was it just me, or did this episode also expose more skin as it did other revelations about our characterss? Not that watching Ms. Sackoff kick the s*** out of a bag in a small workout suit was unappealing to me or anything. I'm sure female viewers were pleasantly stunned to see that Jamie Barber is not only handsome, but so buff you could wash clothes on his abs. The sexuality on the show hit a new high with this one. Considering that you would think that the population of the fleet would be trying to multiply like rabbits, I guess this should be expected later: somebody will have to make due on Roslin's suggestion that the fleet start to make babies. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:41, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		Was it just me, or did this episode also expose more skin as it did other revelations about our characterss? Not that watching Ms. Sackoff kick the s*** out of a bag in a small workout suit was unappealing to me or anything. I'm sure female viewers were pleasantly stunned to see that Jamie Barber is not only handsome, but so buff you could wash clothes on his abs. The sexuality on the show hit a new high with this one. Considering that you would think that the population of the fleet would be trying to multiply like rabbits, I guess this should be expected later: somebody will have to make due on Roslin's suggestion that the fleet start to make babies. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 11:41, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	:Yeah, I too thought the skin was gratuitous, and I am definitely heterosexual and female. I just don't like skin/sex for its own sake. An argument can be made that it shows the crew's humanity or something, but it bothers me a little. There is so much that this show ''is''; BSG doesn't need to stoop to the level of (Star Trek's) Troi's low-cut dresses, or Seven of Nine's skin-tight outfits. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 15:05, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		:Yeah, I too thought the skin was gratuitous, and I am definitely heterosexual and female. I just don't like skin/sex for its own sake. An argument can be made that it shows the crew's humanity or something, but it bothers me a little. There is so much that this show ''is''; BSG doesn't need to stoop to the level of (Star Trek's) Troi's low-cut dresses, or Seven of Nine's skin-tight outfits. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 15:05, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	::At least it's equal-opportunity stooping. There was a lot of sex in the miniseries too, and Tyrol and Boomer had a fairly graphic relationship for the first half of the first season. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:19, 12 September 2005 (EDT)		::At least it's equal-opportunity stooping. There was a lot of sex in the miniseries too, and Tyrol and Boomer had a fairly graphic relationship for the first half of the first season. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:19, 12 September 2005 (EDT)
	:::''equal-opportunity stooping''.. Yeah, I agree that part of it is cool. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:12, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		:::''equal-opportunity stooping''.. Yeah, I agree that part of it is cool. --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:12, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

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	A question/suggestion: Does anyone else think that those words mean the same thing? In the article, the items under "Summary" don't really sum-up the episode, since those are not the main action (the "Overview" is). Perhaps "Summary" could be renamed something like "Significant plot developments" or somesuch. (I'm being a detail-stickler.) --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:18, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		A question/suggestion: Does anyone else think that those words mean the same thing? In the article, the items under "Summary" don't really sum-up the episode, since those are not the main action (the "Overview" is). Perhaps "Summary" could be renamed something like "Significant plot developments" or somesuch. (I'm being a detail-stickler.) --[[User:Fang Aili\|Fang Aili]] 10:18, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

	Spence had been doing our summaries lately (real summaries, as in the first season pages), but he seems behind lately. I don't think I really have his gift for it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:29, 13 September 2005 (EDT)		Spence had been doing our summaries lately (real summaries, as in the first season pages), but he seems behind lately. I don't think I really have his gift for it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:29, 13 September 2005 (EDT)

	: Thanks for the compliment, Peter, but I usually don't start any summaries, except for [[Flight of the Phoenix]] as that episode got me so excited. I do review, trim, fold, spindle and mutiliate other existing summary points more often than not, however. In fact, [[Final Cut]] might be due for a bit of it... :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:41, 18 September 2005 (EDT)		: Thanks for the compliment, Peter, but I usually don't start any summaries, except for [[Flight of the Phoenix]] as that episode got me so excited. I do review, trim, fold, spindle and mutiliate other existing summary points more often than not, however. In fact, [[Final Cut]] might be due for a bit of it... :) [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:41, 18 September 2005 (EDT)