Talk:Epiphanies/Archive 1 - Revision history

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

2020-04-11T01:53:45Z

Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

Cyborg: Cylons conspired to make the Sacred Scrolls come true

2007-02-06T16:39:56Z

Cylons conspired to make the Sacred Scrolls come true

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	Anyone with me? --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 09:26, 6 February 2007 (CST)		Anyone with me? --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 09:26, 6 February 2007 (CST)
	:Roslin saw them a long time before the attacks. She was on Galactica/Colonial Heavy, I cant remember, and Baltar was watching TV. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 09:30, 6 February 2007 (CST)		:Roslin saw them a long time before the attacks. She was on Galactica/Colonial Heavy, I cant remember, and Baltar was watching TV. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 09:30, 6 February 2007 (CST)

			== Cylons conspired to make the [[Sacred Scrolls]] come true ==

			I removed my analysis for now from the article. Here it is:

			* Cylons may have conspired to make the [[Sacred Scrolls]] come true. In a flashback of Roslin before the attack, Number Six seems to look directly at her. Combining with the repeating flashbacks of Roslin being informed about her cancer, it might imply that the Cylons caused Roslin's cancer.{{citation needed}} By doing so they have created "the dying leader". Moreover, Cylons (Sharon Valerii) helped Roslin find the way to Earth. There is no proof yet that Cylons planned that the fetus blood of a chimera (Cylon-human baby) would cure Roslin, but we know that the baby is important for them.

			I removed it because I got this:
			*Citation needed
			**Hi, Cyborg. You added an addition to the analysis for [[Epiphanies]] that suggests that the Cylons are manipulating events to coordinate with information in the Sacred Scrolls. There appears to be plenty of aired information that contradicts this, such as the human virus that threatens to annihilate the Cylon altogether ([[Torn]]). Do you have a source that backs up the notion that someone can get cancer just from being ''looked at'' in the series? It sounds really overly speculative. For now, I marked the item for you to cite your facts from other shows to back up the item, but I will have to remove this by the end of the day if you cannot cite your deduction. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 10:15, 6 February 2007 (CST)
			*Speculation can be nice, but this sounds extremely far-fetched and goes beyond logical deduction IMO. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 10:29, 6 February 2007 (CST)

			And because I haven't watched all the series yet.

Mercifull: /* Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism */

2007-02-06T15:30:17Z

Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism

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	I disagree and think this should be removed. Who said Roslin saw them while the attack was happening? She saw them before.		I disagree and think this should be removed. Who said Roslin saw them while the attack was happening? She saw them before.
	Anyone with me? --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 09:26, 6 February 2007 (CST)		Anyone with me? --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 09:26, 6 February 2007 (CST)
			:Roslin saw them a long time before the attacks. She was on Galactica/Colonial Heavy, I cant remember, and Baltar was watching TV. --[[User:Mercifull\|Mercifull]] <sup>([[User talk:Mercifull\|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Mercifull\|Contribs]])</sup> 09:30, 6 February 2007 (CST)

Cyborg: /* Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism */

2007-02-06T15:26:09Z

Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism

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	I disagree and think this should be removed. Who said Roslin saw them while the attack was happening? She saw them before.		I disagree and think this should be removed. Who said Roslin saw them while the attack was happening? She saw them before.
	Anyone with me?		Anyone with me? --[[User:Cyborg\|Cyborg]] 09:26, 6 February 2007 (CST)

Cyborg: Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism

2007-02-06T15:24:57Z

Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism

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	If Cylon blood is different from human blood in the ways described in this episode, why is it so godsdamned hard to build a reliable Cylon detector?		If Cylon blood is different from human blood in the ways described in this episode, why is it so godsdamned hard to build a reliable Cylon detector?

			== Roslin saw Baltar - analysis criticism ==

			The analysis says:
			''
			It is completely plausible that Roslin could have done all the things shown on the same day of the attack. However, she could not have seen Six and Baltar together because they were both at his home during the time of the attack.
			''

			I disagree and think this should be removed. Who said Roslin saw them while the attack was happening? She saw them before.
			Anyone with me?

Capedia: Cylon blood vs. human blood

2006-11-25T22:57:27Z

Cylon blood vs. human blood

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	It wasn't Rosalin. Were she a Humano-Cylon she wouldn't have had breast cancer in the first place.-- [[User:Stratohead\|Stratohead]]		It wasn't Rosalin. Were she a Humano-Cylon she wouldn't have had breast cancer in the first place.-- [[User:Stratohead\|Stratohead]]

			== Cylon blood vs. human blood ==

			If Cylon blood is different from human blood in the ways described in this episode, why is it so godsdamned hard to build a reliable Cylon detector?

Capedia: /* Bomb Use Spoiler */

2006-11-25T18:55:57Z

Bomb Use Spoiler

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	What about the "Rad Buffers" Chief Tyrol mentions in the Mini-Series? When Commander(now Admiral) Adama sends Starbuck down to the Starboard Flight Pod to prep the Viper MkII's for flight... Starbuck asks Tyrol if "these things will fly" and Tyrol tells her that "The Reactors are still hot, we just need to pull the Rad Buffers" etc. That implies to me that they have the ability to contain radition to some degree. I don't see why if you buy that the Colonials "Radiological Alarms" can pick up free radiation from small missle nuclear warheads like the one that hit the Port Flight Pod in the miniseries THAT Quickly from THAT long a range (never mind any other technical aspect of the show) that suspending ones disbelief in this case should be an issue.-- [[User:Stratohead\|Stratohead]]		What about the "Rad Buffers" Chief Tyrol mentions in the Mini-Series? When Commander(now Admiral) Adama sends Starbuck down to the Starboard Flight Pod to prep the Viper MkII's for flight... Starbuck asks Tyrol if "these things will fly" and Tyrol tells her that "The Reactors are still hot, we just need to pull the Rad Buffers" etc. That implies to me that they have the ability to contain radition to some degree. I don't see why if you buy that the Colonials "Radiological Alarms" can pick up free radiation from small missle nuclear warheads like the one that hit the Port Flight Pod in the miniseries THAT Quickly from THAT long a range (never mind any other technical aspect of the show) that suspending ones disbelief in this case should be an issue.-- [[User:Stratohead\|Stratohead]]

			OK, getting the warhead off of Galactica and onto Cloud 9 in the first place is one thing, but it gets more absurd yet. One of the fleet's few remaining warheads is, out of necessity, entrusted to the care of a guy whom nobody trusts, he turns around and gives it as a gift to a Cylon broad he wants to frak, and nobody even notices that it's missing until it goes "boom" many months later. Apparently, nobody ever bothers to check, even occassionally, that it's still where it's supposed to be. Isn't this far more ludicrous than the fact that it was smuggled in the first place? [[User:Capedia\|Capedia]] 12:55, 25 November 2006 (CST)

	== Roslin as a Cylon ==		== Roslin as a Cylon ==

Gougef: /* Cancer Therapy */ clarification

2006-09-23T00:42:50Z

Cancer Therapy: clarification

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	:Just to mention: Yes cancer is like Stem Cells, both are unDifferentiated, and have telomerase and thus can divide indefinately, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 21:26, 5 March 2006 (CST)		:Just to mention: Yes cancer is like Stem Cells, both are unDifferentiated, and have telomerase and thus can divide indefinately, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 21:26, 5 March 2006 (CST)

	::As I am going back through the episodes, the my main guide was to make them "look" the same. Hence my edit to Roslin's cancer cure. Since it was discussed in the similar detail elsewhere, I just condensed it into a point and linked it. Revert if necessary, even I will probably add back some of the points. However, I feel like continuity errors and goofs, the "meat" of this type of ~~discussion~~ is distracting for the average user, and really hurts the "look" of the article, and best moved elsewhere. Just my 2 cubits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 19:32, 22 September 2006 (CDT)		::As I am going back through the episodes, the my main guide was to make them "look" the same. Hence my edit to Roslin's cancer cure. Since it was discussed in the similar detail elsewhere, I just condensed it into a point and linked it. Revert if necessary, even I will probably add back some of the points. However, I feel like continuity errors and goofs, the "meat" of this type of analysis is distracting for the average user, and really hurts the "look" of the article if it is extensive, and best moved elsewhere after a retrospective look at an episode. Just my 2 cubits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 19:32, 22 September 2006 (CDT)

	==Guest Stars==		==Guest Stars==

Gougef: /* Cancer Therapy */ My edit explanation

2006-09-23T00:32:48Z

Cancer Therapy: My edit explanation

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	:Just to mention: Yes cancer is like Stem Cells, both are unDifferentiated, and have telomerase and thus can divide indefinately, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 21:26, 5 March 2006 (CST)		:Just to mention: Yes cancer is like Stem Cells, both are unDifferentiated, and have telomerase and thus can divide indefinately, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 21:26, 5 March 2006 (CST)

			::As I am going back through the episodes, the my main guide was to make them "look" the same. Hence my edit to Roslin's cancer cure. Since it was discussed in the similar detail elsewhere, I just condensed it into a point and linked it. Revert if necessary, even I will probably add back some of the points. However, I feel like continuity errors and goofs, the "meat" of this type of discussion is distracting for the average user, and really hurts the "look" of the article, and best moved elsewhere. Just my 2 cubits. --[[User:Gougef\|FrankieG]] 19:32, 22 September 2006 (CDT)

	==Guest Stars==		==Guest Stars==

The Merovingian: /* Cancer Therapy */

2006-03-06T03:26:48Z

Cancer Therapy

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	::It's nice to hear that he may have been thinking of a plausable explanation, but we really can only go by what's on screen. We can't be sure something is cannon unless we see it, right? [[User:Drumstick\|Drumstick]] 19:22, 25 January 2006 (EST)		::It's nice to hear that he may have been thinking of a plausable explanation, but we really can only go by what's on screen. We can't be sure something is cannon unless we see it, right? [[User:Drumstick\|Drumstick]] 19:22, 25 January 2006 (EST)




	As to stem cells and cancer and debate:		As to stem cells and cancer and debate:
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	http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060301093335.htm		http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060301093335.htm


	Use of human embrionic stem cells and cancer treatement:		Use of human embrionic stem cells and cancer treatement:

	http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051012084443.htm		http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051012084443.htm


	Further, breast cancer cells have stem cell like qualities:		Further, breast cancer cells have stem cell like qualities:

	http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/02/030225070441.htm		http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/02/030225070441.htm



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	The science indicates that there are several approaches to using stem cells (either embrionic or adult) as a cancer treatment. For a made up cylon phyisology, one could choose any of the above referenced articles as a possible justification regarding efficacy.		The science indicates that there are several approaches to using stem cells (either embrionic or adult) as a cancer treatment. For a made up cylon phyisology, one could choose any of the above referenced articles as a possible justification regarding efficacy.

			-- pmau

	-- ~~pmau~~		:Just to mention: Yes cancer is like Stem Cells, both are unDifferentiated, and have telomerase and thus can divide indefinately, etc. etc. --[[User:The Merovingian\|The Merovingian]] 21:26, 5 March 2006 (CST)

	==Guest Stars==		==Guest Stars==