https://en.battlestarwiki.org/Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1/history?feed=atom&Talk:Ellen Tigh/Archive 1 - Revision history2024-03-29T15:51:13ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.40.1https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=236543&oldid=prevJoe Beaudoin Jr.: tweak2021-04-26T04:14:31Z<p>tweak</p>
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</table>Joe Beaudoin Jr.https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=220397&oldid=prevJoe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"2020-04-11T01:53:41Z<p>Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:RDM mentions this connection explicitly in his podcast for "Resistance". I'll try to dig up the relevant quote. Thank you for your insightful contribution, although I fear your middle paragraph meanders a bit. --[[User:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Peter Farago</del>|<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Peter Farago</del>]] 00:35, 23 December 2005 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:RDM mentions this connection explicitly in his podcast for "Resistance". I'll try to dig up the relevant quote. Thank you for your insightful contribution, although I fear your middle paragraph meanders a bit. --[[User:<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">April Arcus</ins>|<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">April Arcus</ins>]] 00:35, 23 December 2005 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Str1977https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=170953&oldid=prevSpencerian: /* 2,000 Years Ago */2009-01-22T03:32:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">2,000 Years Ago</span></span></p>
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</table>Spencerianhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=170893&oldid=prevGordon Ecker at 04:18, 21 January 20092009-01-21T04:18:50Z<p></p>
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</table>Gordon Eckerhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=133931&oldid=prevSerenity: Cylonicity questions and arguments2007-08-31T16:48:32Z<p>Cylonicity questions and arguments</p>
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</table>Serenityhttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=92266&oldid=prevStraycat0: /* Debate About Death */2006-11-20T21:10:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Debate About Death</span></span></p>
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</table>Straycat0https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=92263&oldid=prevJoe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Debate About Death */ s-s-s-she's dead folks, let's move on, eh2006-11-20T20:53:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Debate About Death: </span> s-s-s-she's dead folks, let's move on, eh</span></p>
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</table>Joe Beaudoin Jr.https://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=92245&oldid=prevFrieze: /* Debate About Death */2006-11-20T18:41:37Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Debate About Death</span></span></p>
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</table>Friezehttps://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ellen_Tigh/Archive_1&diff=86846&oldid=prevJoe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Debate About Death */ reply2006-10-21T05:06:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Debate About Death: </span> reply</span></p>
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