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Noneofyourbusiness at 22:46, 28 April 2010

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	:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
	But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)		But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
			::They're not that far away from each other, and the first Earth didn't have all the same signs as the second (someone, either Ron Moore or Kevin Grazier, made a point out of the fact that Gaeta said "visible" star patterns matched up). -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

TomOdaighre: /* "New Earth" messup */

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	:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
			But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Oldag07: /* Separate articles for the two Earths? */ oops didn't sign

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	::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)		::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::I think a new article could be made too. already started working on an introduction: ''Earth, is the final destination of the characters of the re-imagined series, and home to present day humanity. The planet, was discovered after the [[Battle of the Colony]] approximately four years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], and 150,000 years later before present time. The planet is located approxiately one million light years away from the original twelve colonies.'' It could be named Earth (RDM Final).		:::::I think a new article could be made too. already started working on an introduction: ''Earth, is the final destination of the characters of the re-imagined series, and home to present day humanity. The planet, was discovered after the [[Battle of the Colony]] approximately four years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], and 150,000 years later before present time. The planet is located approxiately one million light years away from the original twelve colonies.'' It could be named Earth (RDM Final). [[User:Oldag07\|Oldag07]] 15:45, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

	== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==		== Earth uninhabited/primitve/catastrophe?? ==

Oldag07: /* Separate articles for the two Earths? */

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	::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)		::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::I think a new article could be made too. already started working on an introduction: ''Earth, is the final destination of the characters of the re-imagined series, and home to present day humanity. The planet, was discovered after the [[Battle of the Colony]] approximately four years after the [[Fall of the Twelve Colonies]], and 150,000 years later before present time. The planet is located approxiately one million light years away from the original twelve colonies.'' It could be named Earth (RDM Final).

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Noneofyourbusiness at 01:51, 21 April 2009

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	::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)		::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

JubalHarshaw: /* "New Earth" messup */ - nice theory, but yeah, pure speculation

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	:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
	::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)		::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Admiral Marcus: /* "New Earth" messup */

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	I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton\|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton\|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
	:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
			::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)		:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
	::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)		::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Wouldn't be as accurate as the current setup. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)		:Also, please sign your comments on talk pages with four tildes <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or use the "sign your name" quick link in the edit box. That will add a timestamp and a signature after your posts. Moreover, for this type of speculative questions, I'd recommend [http://battlestarforum.com/index.php Battlestar Forum] (run by the same people as the wiki, though not as populated) over talk pages. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 08:41, 3 October 2007 (CDT)

			:You were kind of right, there were no cities on Earth. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

	== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==		== Age of Lion's Head Beacon ==

Bradtem: /* Separate articles for the two Earths? */

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	We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal\|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)		We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal\|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
	:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)		:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
			::There are now a lot of Earths in the show. TOS Earth, 13th colony Earth and Daybreak Earth. And then the real Earth, which is different from Daybreak Earth though it doesn't get a page in the wiki. In the show, Angel HB calls the 13th colony the "Real Earth," which it is from the context of the show, but that is of course confusing to the user. However the names "13th Colony" and "Earth" may be the clearest.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 00:24, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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	We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal\|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)		We now know that there are two Earths: the Thirteenth colony, which was destroyed and visited in Revelations, and the "real" earth, which is discovered in the finale. To avoid confusion, I think we should consider splitting the two into separate articles. --[[User:Emistal\|Emistal]] 03:53, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
			:I don't think so, because the planets have the exact same name. They're not actually called Old Earth and New Earth or First Earth and Second Earth. And the article's not overly long. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 17:01, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

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	:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
	But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)		But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
			::They're not that far away from each other, and the first Earth didn't have all the same signs as the second (someone, either Ron Moore or Kevin Grazier, made a point out of the fact that Gaeta said "visible" star patterns matched up). -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 22:46, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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	:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
			But what about the star signs? Kara said the Cylon Earth had the familiar twelve zodiak signs that we, and the Colonials, know. But we also know that our own Earth has those same star signs. I can just about accept that two planets independently saw the evolution of human beings, the idea that two planets hundreds of thousands of lightyears away would have the same star signs doesn't seem possible. Personally, I think there is some kind of time travel involved, and that the Earth in the finale is the same Earth as the 13th Tribe Cylons (re-)colonised, but far in the past. [[User:TomOdaighre\|TomOdaighre]] 18:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

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	::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)		::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)		:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Big hole in time travel theory: they met up with the fleet afterwards. I also don't see why it would be "more likely." The two planets named Earth are almost nothing alike. If they were remarkably similar, you'd have a point there. One is a random habitable planet the Cylons of the Thirteenth Tribe found and settled, the other is a habitable planet with native humans. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 01:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
	::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)		::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::Interesting theory but as you say, pure speculation, and not borne out by on-screen events ([[Virtual Baltar]] specifically mentions the "first" Earth as the "real Earth", making it very obvious they are different planets. And he, as an agent of ... "[[God (RDM)\|God]]" ... would have the perspective to know). [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 00:22, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

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	I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton\|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		I rewrote the article on earth, as you stated that the planet in daybreak part II was not earth. But, you can see from orbit that it is earth because you can see africa clearly from orbit and on a map that adama points to has a VERY detailed map of austrialia, africa, asia, and pretty much the entire earth. They say while watching a native tribe that it is a miracle that humanity evolved 1,000,000 light years away (from caprica), not that it is 100000 light years from earth. it is not new earth, and they do not day that phrase at all in the episode. so can we change the name of the section? [[User:Acaeton\|Acaeton]] 02:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
	:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)		:No, because it's a second Earth. Yes, it is the planet we know as Earth, but in the BSG universe our Earth is not the first to bear the name. Kobol is the homeworld of the twelve tribes of humans that settled Caprica and the other eleven Colonies and the Cylon tribe that settled the original Earth. The original Earth was found by the fleet in "Revelations". It's a nuked out wasteland whose continents don't match ours. In "Daybreak", they found a new planet and named it after Cylon Earth. This is the planet we're living on, as evidenced by the continents. Humans evolved on this planet independently of Kobol. Like Angel Baltar says, there's been "Kobol, Earth - the real Earth before this one, Caprica before the fall..." -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 02:27, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
			::This is pure speculation on my part, but isn't it far more likely that the "first" and "second" Earths are in fact the same place...? I understand the battle takes place very close to a black hole, so the final desperate jump returns them to their point of origin -- some 150,000 years B.C.! Black holes and time travel have been used in countless other sci-fi series and movies after all. --[[User:Admiral Marcus\|Admiral Marcus]] 20:50, 20 April 2009 (UTC)