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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
	** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)		** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
	* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881\|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881\|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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	''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)		''Someone to Watch Over Me'' [http://verheiden.blogspot.com/2008/09/battlestar-galactica-cruise-book.html according to producer Mark Verheiden]. I think this one has been confirmed elsewhere as well.--[[User:Werthead\|Werthead]] 19:38, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

			==Behavior of Characters==
	After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.		After the thundering pace of the past two episodes, I have to say this one left me feeling cheated and hollow. The Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" seemed logical, thoughtful, caring, compassionate...in short, someone who we would expect to do the right thing. She seemed like someone who understood the Big Picture. This one acts just like Ellen Tigh before she was poisoned: petty, vindictive, emotional, and (as Saul put it) vile. The entire situation of her being angry at Saul seemed forced and contrived and was quite a disappointment. I might've expected Ellen to be surprised at Saul/Caprica, but not this. After all, she knows Saul (a) thought she was dead, (b) originally had no idea he was a Cylon, and (c) had no idea Ellen was a Cylon. It's logically ridiculous to hold him accountable for the decisions he made when he had no knowledge of how things really were. The old Ellen (the one John/Cavil/One programmed to be vindictive) would've been like this, but that persona was wiped away by her resurrection. The "real" Ellen was presumably the more logical one we saw in "No Exit." Why the sudden shift in characterization? What a let down.

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	* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* Yes, totally . She does tell the gang specifically that she is still Ellen, too -- since from the Cavil conversation we know the plan for them was to download back with full memories of everything that happened. It's likely that the New Ellen we saw this episode was the writers trying to show that while she is cylon she is very much human as well (loves Saul, jealous of Six, furious that he would sleep with one of "their children" even though he couldn't have known), or that the memories/template of Old Ellen is still strongly with her and may continue to drive some of her reactions. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 03:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
	* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* MORE -- Re: Baltar, had to watch it again, but what he is saying is that while the fleet in on a path to be blended, the populace isn't fully ready to accept this fate just yet. That Baltar can put together a civilian militia to keep order where the marines aren't is the last choice Adama has before he finally turns to the Baseship for mustering a police force (the implied non-human solution). And at this point he's right, there's no way the fleet would accept Cylons acting as police. So it's not an anti-Cylon agenda at all, he's just trying to buy Adama some time. Bill's agonizing because up to this point he's seen Humans and Rebel Cylons as allies, but separate nations. The hope has been that Humans ultimately rebuild the Human race, but the direction is now clearly showing both sides need each other and that instead Humans (and Cylons) will be building a new Hybrid race. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 04:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

			*I see the Ellen Tigh of "No Exit" as more reserved and circumspect, and less expressive, perhaps because she is a prisoner of Cavil and knows how he detests human emotions and behavior. She has every reason to fear he might cut her brain open, or box her, and does not wish to provoke him. Once freed, however, and once she learns of Saul's affair with Six, she may simply be acting freer to express her true, inner Ellen. -- [[User:Dogger55\|Dogger55]] 14:34, 17 July 2011 (EDT).

	== I Don't Agree ==		== I Don't Agree ==

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	Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)		:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
			::If somebody could check this (on Hulu maybe?), I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

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	Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
			:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

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	Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.		Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.

			== Act Break? ==

			Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

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	Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ\|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ\|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

			== Significance of the name "Gaius?" ==

			I was reading this article -
			http://www.portfolio.com/views/columns/2007/10/15/Charity-Makes-Wealth

			"Old Honest poses this riddle to the innkeeper Gaius: “A man there was, tho’ some did count him mad, / The more he cast away, the more he had.” Gaius solves the riddle thus: “He that bestows his Goods upon the Poor / Shall have as much again, and ten times more.”"

			Somehow I remember our Gaius saying something similar when he was handing out food.

JohnJ at 19:22, 27 February 2009

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	::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."		::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."
	:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

			== Why was a random Eight and Six urging Ellen to go to the Baseship and jump away and not Caprica Six and Athena? ==

			In my opinion, the answer that Athena would never agree to abandon the fleet is not the main reason that Athena was not at Anders's site.

			I think that the random Eight and Six were representives from the rebel basestar and came to the Battlestar Galactica along with Tory Foster when the first meeting of the Final Five was organized. I think they just didn't invite Caprica Six and Athena, because the rebel cylons had already made their decision and asked only the Final Five to join them and abandon the fleet.

			Later when Ellen Tigh confronted Saul Tigh, in my opinion, Ellen wanted Caprica Six to be present because she needed Caprica Six for her plot to humiliate and hurt Saul Tigh by pretending to vote for abandoning the fleet. [[User:JohnJ\|JohnJ]] 19:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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	:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD\|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD\|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
	:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
			:The text from the script says:
			::"'''Tigh''': "It's not like with Zak. It's not. I know that. But ... it's ..."
			:So I was wrong. I still think that's a reach for most people to follow, but I guess they didn't dumb it down. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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	In Act 4, there is a mistake in the summary, as well in the closed captioning done for the show, in the scene with Tigh and Adama. It is described as: Tigh says that "it's not like that." Adama agrees, embraces and comforts him. Listening closely reveals that Tigh says "It's not like '''Zack'''" refering to Lee's brother/Adama's other son, who died in adulthood during military training.		In Act 4, there is a mistake in the summary, as well in the closed captioning done for the show, in the scene with Tigh and Adama. It is described as: Tigh says that "it's not like that." Adama agrees, embraces and comforts him. Listening closely reveals that Tigh says "It's not like '''Zack'''" refering to Lee's brother/Adama's other son, who died in adulthood during military training.
	:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD\|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)		:I'll update it. In the future, [[BW:BOLD\|be bold]]; feel free to make the change yourself. [[User:JubalHarshaw\|JubalHarshaw]] 15:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
			:Closed captioning can be VERY inaccurate. Better to wait for DVD subtitles than to rely on them. I still don't understand why Tigh would bring Zack up. You know who he is, and I do, but wouldn't that probably lose the average viewer? --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 18:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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	* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* Yeah, I agree this was too quickly skipped over, but (a) the Raptor is a colonial unit with compatible beacon/tracking equipment on board and (b) the fleet hasn't jumped yet and it still very close to Earth. So once Boomer told Ellen that the fleet was looking for Earth, Ellen would have started their search there (presumably) and found them easily enough. More to the point, while Cavil knows the Final Five extremely well, he's a child of the 12 Colonies' Centurions and honestly doesn't know where Earth is. -- [[User:Namtastic\|Namtastic]] 02:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
	** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)		** (b) holds more water - if Cavil had a Raptor for Boomer to steal, and that alone were enough to find Earth, he'd have already done it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 07:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
	* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881\|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)		* This one had me, too, until I figured out that Ellen would know where Earth was. Sharon would've programmed a jump destination somewhere safe so she could quickly jump away. Once there, Ellen could give Sharon the coordinates for Earth and they could jump there.--[[User:Prisoner881\|Prisoner881]] 05:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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	Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the podcast act break wrong, or is the summary? In transcribing the podcast the stuff with the meeting of the final five at the top of act two (in the summary) is still in act one of the podcast. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 23:27, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)		:The act 2-3 break appears to be different as well. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 19:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
			::If somebody could check this (on Hulu maybe?), I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 01:54, 2 April 2009 (UTC)