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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	== Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? ==		== Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? ==
	Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */ reply

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	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hunter2005: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hunter2005: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Hunter2005: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */added reply.

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	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
			::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
			::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

April Arcus: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
			:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Did the Cavil killed by D'Anna resurrect? */

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	Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
			::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

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	Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		Is the resurrection process that quick? And where did he resurrect? Was this ever shown anywhere? From what D'Anna said before she snapped his neck, she sounds like the imminent destruction of the hub would preclude that particular Cavil from ever coming back.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 03:32, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:The Cavils have never demonstrated the level of individuality of the Sixes, or even the Eights and Threes. Since they are portrayed as more or less completely interchangeable, as well as in some form of constant communication between copies (as in Occupation/Precipice), I'm not sure there's any point in attempting to follow the fates of individual copies. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 19:20, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		::Besides the obvious examples of Athena and Boomer, there were also various distinct Sixes such as Gina, Natalie, Lida, and Sonya. And the Eights have been shown to be able to differentiate among themselves, e.g. Athena recognizing Boomer in the locker room before being knocked out, etc. I tend to interpret the relations among themselves like those among identical twins, maybe taken to a higher level.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 21:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
	::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
			:::::::Jane Espenson indicated that he had time to resurrect in the post-ep interview with Media Boulevard. -- [[User:Noneofyourbusiness\|Noneofyourbusiness]] 03:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
			::::::There is simply too much to assume here to be comfortable making a determination either way. I will note that Boomer did have a head start that D'Anna gave her before she left the Hub, and given the time it has been known to take to download consciousnesses, I seriously doubt the Cavil whose neck she snapped was able to download and successfully abscond from the Hub before its destruction. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 17:08, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual, but is possible that Cavil, emphasizing his "machinehood" probably eschewed such explicit individuality. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

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	:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)		:::Yes, clearly that is the case for the Sixes and Eights, and maybe even the Threes (The "Messiah" D'anna seemed to have a somewhat separate personality from the other Threes), but I don't think that any such individual characterization has been shown for any of the Cavils. --[[User:Peter Farago\|Peter Farago]] 22:57, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)		::::OK, I seem to have misread the earlier reply. Yeah, it's kind of pointless (and tenuous) to assert that all those Cavils are one and the same.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 07:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
	::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)		:::::Boomer would most likely have a relationship with one and only one Cavil. We didn't see much individually among them because didn't seem much of them until recently. Besides, there was Ellen's discussion listing what Cavil did to them and spoke to him as an individual. We probably never know for sure, short of an official statement, but for drama it would make sense to stick to an individual Cavil, so yes he did resurrect. Boomer certainly had enough time to get off the Hub. If there was enough time for her to evacuate, there seemed to have been enough time for him to resurrect, especially if he resurrected on a Baseship [[User:Hunter2005\|Hunter2005]] 12:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)