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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	* Oops. Sorry about that. That's my fault, I forgot to add them back in. I'll get it here in a sec. -- [[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]] 16:38, 25 October 2013 (EDT)		* Oops. Sorry about that. That's my fault, I forgot to add them back in. I'll get it here in a sec. -- [[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]] 16:38, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

			** No worries, just wanted to make sure it didn't get lost in the revision. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 19:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

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	[[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]], why was important info removed from this article (such as the sourcing of the term and the reference at the bottom, as seen in this revision: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DRADIS&oldid=201677])? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)		[[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]], why was important info removed from this article (such as the sourcing of the term and the reference at the bottom, as seen in this revision: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DRADIS&oldid=201677])? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

			* Oops. Sorry about that. That's my fault, I forgot to add them back in. I'll get it here in a sec. -- [[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]] 16:38, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

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	==Dradis detection==		==Dradis detection==
	This was something i noticed with the Osiris in Blood & Chrome. When the Basestar jumps in over Djerba, the Osiris isn't detected immediately, which is made explicit in dialog. The same scene is what is causing people to postulate stealth capabilities for the Osiris. What i found interesting is that while the crew of the Osiris is confidant they won't be picked up on the cylon Dradis for awhile, the Osiris itself had active Dradis and definitely had the basestar on its screens. Since with real life radar, which Dradis often seems to behave like, having an active transmitter will give away the position of a stealth craft, it makes me wonder if an active Dradis is actually detectable by the targets it's locating. Or if it is, whether maybe there are multiple frequencies that can be used with a Dradis's active sensors, allowing for the kinds of real world tricks being used with stealth craft, like frequency hopping to make detection more difficult, and non-standard frequency radar sets to try and avoid enemy radar detector systems. [[User:Mithril\|Mithril]] 18:47, 9 December 2012 (EST)		This was something i noticed with the Osiris in Blood & Chrome. When the Basestar jumps in over Djerba, the Osiris isn't detected immediately, which is made explicit in dialog. The same scene is what is causing people to postulate stealth capabilities for the Osiris. What i found interesting is that while the crew of the Osiris is confidant they won't be picked up on the cylon Dradis for awhile, the Osiris itself had active Dradis and definitely had the basestar on its screens. Since with real life radar, which Dradis often seems to behave like, having an active transmitter will give away the position of a stealth craft, it makes me wonder if an active Dradis is actually detectable by the targets it's locating. Or if it is, whether maybe there are multiple frequencies that can be used with a Dradis's active sensors, allowing for the kinds of real world tricks being used with stealth craft, like frequency hopping to make detection more difficult, and non-standard frequency radar sets to try and avoid enemy radar detector systems. [[User:Mithril\|Mithril]] 18:47, 9 December 2012 (EST)

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			[[User:Frylock86\|Frylock86]], why was important info removed from this article (such as the sourcing of the term and the reference at the bottom, as seen in this revision: [http://en.battlestarwiki.org/w/index.php?title=DRADIS&oldid=201677])? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 13:45, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

Mithril at 23:47, 9 December 2012

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	Am I right in thinking that there is more than one layout for a DRADIS screen. We mostly see one with the numerous arcs spanning outward, and another with a more 3D view. I see them change back and forth throughout the series. What could the different purposes of these layouts be? --[[User:Isidis\|Isidis]] 18:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)		Am I right in thinking that there is more than one layout for a DRADIS screen. We mostly see one with the numerous arcs spanning outward, and another with a more 3D view. I see them change back and forth throughout the series. What could the different purposes of these layouts be? --[[User:Isidis\|Isidis]] 18:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)
	: Sorry for the long delay, but the views seem to focus on areas where it detects contacts, and since the area of space is spherical, the layouts seem to change depending on the disposition of various contacts within said sphere. At least, that's my take on it... Someone with more technical know-how would obviously be able to explain the dynamics of it, but that's my interpretation/knowledge on that subject. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)		: Sorry for the long delay, but the views seem to focus on areas where it detects contacts, and since the area of space is spherical, the layouts seem to change depending on the disposition of various contacts within said sphere. At least, that's my take on it... Someone with more technical know-how would obviously be able to explain the dynamics of it, but that's my interpretation/knowledge on that subject. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

			==Dradis detection==
			This was something i noticed with the Osiris in Blood & Chrome. When the Basestar jumps in over Djerba, the Osiris isn't detected immediately, which is made explicit in dialog. The same scene is what is causing people to postulate stealth capabilities for the Osiris. What i found interesting is that while the crew of the Osiris is confidant they won't be picked up on the cylon Dradis for awhile, the Osiris itself had active Dradis and definitely had the basestar on its screens. Since with real life radar, which Dradis often seems to behave like, having an active transmitter will give away the position of a stealth craft, it makes me wonder if an active Dradis is actually detectable by the targets it's locating. Or if it is, whether maybe there are multiple frequencies that can be used with a Dradis's active sensors, allowing for the kinds of real world tricks being used with stealth craft, like frequency hopping to make detection more difficult, and non-standard frequency radar sets to try and avoid enemy radar detector systems. [[User:Mithril\|Mithril]] 18:47, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Venge: /* Synonyms D, Ra and Dis */

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Synonyms D, Ra and Dis

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	:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)
	:Well, we're going by what's said in the Miniseries script, so... that's what we're going with, unless we get clarification/corrections/word from official sources. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:44, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Well, we're going by what's said in the Miniseries script, so... that's what we're going with, unless we get clarification/corrections/word from official sources. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:44, 2 January 2008 (CST)

			:Also worth noting might be the terms used for giving the commander information about a DRADIS contact. AS far as I can tell DRADIS contacts at least have "Bearing" and some value merely given as "Kerim". Anyone else have anything on this? -- [[User:Venge\|Venge]]

	== DRADIS Layouts ==		== DRADIS Layouts ==

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* DRADIS Layouts */ reply

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DRADIS Layouts: reply

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	Am I right in thinking that there is more than one layout for a DRADIS screen. We mostly see one with the numerous arcs spanning outward, and another with a more 3D view. I see them change back and forth throughout the series. What could the different purposes of these layouts be? --[[User:Isidis\|Isidis]] 18:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)		Am I right in thinking that there is more than one layout for a DRADIS screen. We mostly see one with the numerous arcs spanning outward, and another with a more 3D view. I see them change back and forth throughout the series. What could the different purposes of these layouts be? --[[User:Isidis\|Isidis]] 18:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)
			: Sorry for the long delay, but the views seem to focus on areas where it detects contacts, and since the area of space is spherical, the layouts seem to change depending on the disposition of various contacts within said sphere. At least, that's my take on it... Someone with more technical know-how would obviously be able to explain the dynamics of it, but that's my interpretation/knowledge on that subject. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [[bsp:\|Battlestar Pegasus]]</sup> 01:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Isidis: New section: DRADIS Layouts

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New section: DRADIS Layouts

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	:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)
	:Well, we're going by what's said in the Miniseries script, so... that's what we're going with, unless we get clarification/corrections/word from official sources. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:44, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Well, we're going by what's said in the Miniseries script, so... that's what we're going with, unless we get clarification/corrections/word from official sources. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:44, 2 January 2008 (CST)

			== DRADIS Layouts ==

			Am I right in thinking that there is more than one layout for a DRADIS screen. We mostly see one with the numerous arcs spanning outward, and another with a more 3D view. I see them change back and forth throughout the series. What could the different purposes of these layouts be? --[[User:Isidis\|Isidis]] 18:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Synonyms D, Ra and Dis */ reply

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	:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)
			:Well, we're going by what's said in the Miniseries script, so... that's what we're going with, unless we get clarification/corrections/word from official sources. :) -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 17:44, 2 January 2008 (CST)

Fredmdbud: /* Synonyms D, Ra and Dis */

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Synonyms D, Ra and Dis

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	These synonyms might be astronomical ones for		These synonyms might be astronomical ones for
	D ~~Declination~~		'D'eclination
	~~Ra Righ Ascension~~		'R'ight 'A'scension
	~~Dis Distance~~		'DIS'tance

	(see [[w:Declination\|Wikpedia: Declination]]) --[[User:Akagi\|Akagi]] 17:00, 2 January 2008 (CST)		(see [[w:Declination\|Wikpedia: Declination]]) --[[User:Akagi\|Akagi]] 17:00, 2 January 2008 (CST)

	:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)		:Here we go again ... :) This might warrant a merge and rename with the above "Early discussion" section--[[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 17:21, 2 January 2008 (CST)

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	:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0		:I'd be happy to see a source for this term; I'd rather not make it up if RDM has the acronym down. He's normally not into this inane level of techno-fanboy detail, so we'll have to see. Better to keep this one to what we know. [[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 15:54, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)0

	::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):		::Agreed, FWIW. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 17:43, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT):

	:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)		:: We need a definite and official source for what this term means. Personally, I don't believe that it is well defined, if at all. -- [[User:Joe.Beaudoin\|Joe Beaudoin]] 20:30, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)
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	:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.		:Indeed, Gaeta has given three-value coordinates when it's been relevant — in Act of Contrition and Resistance.

	:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:Just an interesting note - Bearing and Carom are clearly not measured in degrees. We've seen bearings up to 881 (Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down) and caroms up 552 (Flight of the Phoenix). --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 14:38, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	:: Another interesting note - The Army in its land navigation uses a method of measurement called the mil [[http://www.survivaliq.com/navigation/direction_par1.htm]] which breaks a circle up into 6400 parts rather than 360. That may explain the higher numbers quoted. [[User:Joemc72\|Joemc72]] 15:01, 19 January 2006 (EST)		:: Another interesting note - The Army in its land navigation uses a method of measurement called the mil [[http://www.survivaliq.com/navigation/direction_par1.htm]] which breaks a circle up into 6400 parts rather than 360. That may explain the higher numbers quoted. [[User:Joemc72\|Joemc72]] 15:01, 19 January 2006 (EST)
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	:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)		:"Range" and "distance" are still synonyms in 3 dimensions. Yes, there are 3 numbers for spherical coordinates, but '''2''' of them are direction; the other one is range (and distance, since they're the same thing). --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 23:29, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)		::I understood your point the first time, and wasn't trying to contradict it. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:39, 5 January 2006 (EST)

	:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)		:::If you're addressing me, I'm somewhat confused. I don't recall saying that before, and I was responding to Cmr. --[[User:CalculatinAvatar\|CalculatinAvatar]] 00:07, 6 January 2006 (EST)
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	:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.		:'''Thrace:''' The decoy ships will jump into the enemy star system at extreme radar range from the Cylon asteroid. Galactica will jump here, close enough to launch its Vipers at the base.
	--[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)		--[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 12:07, 10 January 2006 (EST)

	: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what ~~Peter Farago~~ said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)		: There has been some healthy discussion of this point on my talk page, and for the record it is at 11:53 into the episode, and her exact line is what April Arcus said it was. It's also on the closed captioning. It's likely to be a goof, but it could be interpreted that "radar" is a slang or mostly-disused term for the more technically accurate Dradis. --[[User:Wingsandsword\|Wingsandsword]] 14:37, 10 January 2006 (EST)
	::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)		::Her "exact line" is still subject to debate: DVD subtitles aren't always reliable, and when I saw it again on my DVD it ''sounded'' like she said "Raider", not radar. "Radar" probably isn't a slang term because I think they're more careful about these things and that it is not, indeed a goof. Others please rewatch this scene. I'm not exact on how ''all'' DVD subtitles are made, but on many I've had in the past they were really just made by people that watched the episode writing down dialog, rather than on a script of some form. They aren't really reliable. --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 21:06, 10 January 2006 (EST)

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	::As I have stated numerous times, in context, she could have been saying "Raider range". There's a burden of proof there, a shaodw of a doubt if you will, and she kind of slurrs it; doesn't sound quite like she's saying "Radar". I think our current thing is fine: making a note that we think she said Radar, but that she could have said "Raider". This is, of course, distinct from the horrible "Black Market" in which amongst other failures they call fumarellos "cigars". --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 14:19, 29 January 2006 (EST)		::As I have stated numerous times, in context, she could have been saying "Raider range". There's a burden of proof there, a shaodw of a doubt if you will, and she kind of slurrs it; doesn't sound quite like she's saying "Radar". I think our current thing is fine: making a note that we think she said Radar, but that she could have said "Raider". This is, of course, distinct from the horrible "Black Market" in which amongst other failures they call fumarellos "cigars". --[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 14:19, 29 January 2006 (EST)

	:::That wasn't an error. Cigars have never been called Fumarellos in RDM. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 15:03, 29 January 2006 (EST)		:::That wasn't an error. Cigars have never been called Fumarellos in RDM. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 15:03, 29 January 2006 (EST)
	::::There seems to be a lot of contention over this point. Can someone find a specific reference where they were or weren't called cigars or fumarellos? --[[User:BMS\|BMS]] 15:09, 29 January 2006 (EST)		::::There seems to be a lot of contention over this point. Can someone find a specific reference where they were or weren't called cigars or fumarellos? --[[User:BMS\|BMS]] 15:09, 29 January 2006 (EST)
	:::::Actually I was just using that as an example; Peter and I are actually leaning towards the position that they were ALWAYS called "Cigars" but "tobacco" is "fumarello leaf" here.--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 15:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)		:::::Actually I was just using that as an example; Peter and I are actually leaning towards the position that they were ALWAYS called "Cigars" but "tobacco" is "fumarello leaf" here.--[[User:Ricimer\|Ricimer]] 15:32, 29 January 2006 (EST)