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JoyaOscura: /* Civil War and the battles box */ lk

2009-04-11T07:26:09Z

Civil War and the battles box: lk

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	For consistency, I think it would be best if we:		For consistency, I think it would be best if we:
	* moved the information about the [[Battle of the Basestars]] (or whatever we're gonna call it, [[Cylon Rebel Ambush]] could also work) to that article		* moved the information about the [[Battle of the Basestars]] (or whatever we're gonna call it, Cylon Rebel Ambush could also work) to that article
	* put that battle, along with the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]] we're likely to get, in the "Cylon Civil War" section of the battles template		* put that battle, along with the [[Battle of the Resurrection Hub]] we're likely to get, in the "Cylon Civil War" section of the battles template
	* reserve this article for information about the Civil War itself and {{tl\|mainarticle}} the individual battles (there might very well be more of them in the second half of Season 4: with the Cylons being mortal and the Colonials controlling a baseship, they might adopt a more aggressive style of warfare)		* reserve this article for information about the Civil War itself and {{tl\|mainarticle}} the individual battles (there might very well be more of them in the second half of Season 4: with the Cylons being mortal and the Colonials controlling a baseship, they might adopt a more aggressive style of warfare)

Fredmdbud: /* Stars not relevant? */ reply

2009-02-13T04:47:53Z

Stars not relevant?: reply

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	:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)		::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::::The star pattern has been noted in the analysis section of the article for the episode "[[The_Ties_That_Bind#Analysis\|The Ties That Bind]]". -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 04:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */

2009-02-13T02:30:49Z

Stars not relevant?

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	:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
			::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Stars not relevant? */

2009-02-12T09:03:11Z

Stars not relevant?

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	:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

	:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter ~~skirt~~ the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Stars not relevant? */ reply

2009-02-12T09:02:25Z

Stars not relevant?: reply

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	:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

			:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirt the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */

2009-02-12T06:07:22Z

Stars not relevant?

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	:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. Are we sure it is Jupiter? There have been a lot of Earth-like planets, such as the Twelve Colonies, Kobol, New Caprica, so it's not unreasonable to think that there are other gas giants that bear resemblences to our own, such as Neptune, Uranus, and yes, Jupiter. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. Are we sure it is Jupiter? There have been a lot of Earth-like planets, such as the Twelve Colonies, Kobol, New Caprica, so it's not unreasonable to think that there are other gas giants that bear resemblences to our own, such as Neptune, Uranus, and yes, Jupiter. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

			:: No, there is only one planet that looks vaguely like that and has those stars, and it is Jupiter. As I said, no other planet is remotely possible, no way, no how. The only other explanation is a mistake by the graphics dept. It is not a matter of inference. The reason it applies to the war is that Cavil selected the site, and even said there was an accessible server there. That's quite mysterious, and even more mysterious are the fact that Starbuck is given a vision of this planet before the battle, and that she's sitting just a very short distance away just after the battle. It's too much of a coincidence, Cavil must have chosen Jupiter for a reason. Or it's a graphics mistake, but if so, it's an odd one.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 06:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Stars not relevant? */ elaboration of reply

2009-02-12T02:28:21Z

Stars not relevant?: elaboration of reply

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	And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

	:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. Are we sure it is Jupiter? There have been a lot of Earth-like planets, such as the Twelve Colonies, Kobol, New Caprica, so it's not unreasonable to think that there are other gas giants that bear resemblences to our own, such as Neptune, Uranus, and yes, Jupiter. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Fredmdbud: /* Stars not relevant? */ reply

2009-02-12T02:23:43Z

Stars not relevant?: reply

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	And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

			:The observation seems more specific to an episode, rather than contributing to an explanation or narrative of the subject at hand, the Cylon Civil War. The planet has not been identified to have been in the same solar system as Earth, so this assertion is a matter of inference, and such observations, if included in the article, have been in practice put in a separate notes or interpretation section in the majority of articles. Now, if you can tie the significance of Jupiter to the Cylon Civil War itself, that would be another story. As it is, your observation would surely be relevant in an article chronicling the journey to Earth, for example.-- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 02:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Bradtem: /* Stars not relevant? */ new section

2009-02-12T01:38:32Z

Stars not relevant?: new section

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	::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

			== Stars not relevant? ==

			Just taking what we see as is, the star pattern either mans the Cylon battle takes place at Jupiter, or that the graphics crew, after 3.5 years of using random stars, just decided to throw in Earth stars for this battle. We don't know which yet, but for now we should take it at face value. The only reddish gas giant from which those star patterns appear is Jupiter, no other planet is even remotely possible. For now, we should document what we see, and leave interpretations about graphics department mistakes for when they can be confirmed. Not that they don't make such mistakes, the map in "Torn" has to be one, but that's because we now know they weren't here in that episode. We don't know that yet for the battle.

			And based on that, the fact that Cavil picks Jupiter as the site of the battle seems about as relevant to the story of the cylon civil war as you can get. So why edit it out?--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 01:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Serenity: /* Civil War and the battles box */

2008-05-23T20:09:35Z

Civil War and the battles box

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	:Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about ''real'' battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		:Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about ''real'' battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

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	:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)		:::I think the question of the star patterns and Jupiter skirts the main question: whether or not it is Jupiter, how does it relate to the Cylon Civil War. If you can explain it in the article, rather than just mention it as an aside, then feel free to do so. If it figures in Cavil's plans, then how and why? -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 09:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
	::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)		::::We don't know. However, if, as shown, it is Jupiter, and Cavil picked it, then that's no coincidence, which is why it seems appropriate to document it. Cavil saying, "Let's meet up for an ambush, I dunno, how about this spot which happens to be the ancient homeworld" is just too strange to not document.--[[User:Bradtem\|bradtem]] 02:30, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
			:::::The star pattern has been noted in the analysis section of the article for the episode "[[The_Ties_That_Bind#Analysis\|The Ties That Bind]]". -- [[User:Fredmdbud\|Fredmdbud]] 04:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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	:Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about ''real'' battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		:Another point is that battle pages by themselves aren't that interesting. They just retell plot, albeit in more detail. Reading in detail about ''real'' battles is something different, because you don't see them on screen and often only know the surrounding circumstances. But with fictional battles, those circumstances and the context of the battles is generally the meat. And in this case, there is a narrative that clearly connects all of them. Which is what this page is about. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 18:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		::You're right that the Cylon rebel ambush would have very little meat because we didn't see the actual battle and therefore know little about it, so it's better off as a section of this article. I expect the Battle of the Resurrection Hub to result in more text than other battles (even the planned ones such as the [[Battle of the Resurrection Ship]] or the [[Battle for the Tylium Asteroid]]), because the mission involves boarding the Hub (in addition to putting the Vipers in the baseship, taking out the Hub's FTL, battling the hostile basestars and destroying the Hub), and [[:Image:4x09 - The Hub - Promo 1 - cropped.jpg\|this picture]] suggests that's not gonna happen without trouble. But I guess we'll have to wait till after that battle before deciding whether to give it its own article or make this page span the whole thing, à la [[Battle of Kobol (RDM)]]. --[[User:Catrope\|Catrope]]<sup>([[User talk:Catrope\|Talk to me]] or [[Special:Emailuser/Catrope\|e-mail me]])</sup> 20:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
	::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)		:::Yeah. I'm certainly not saying that we need to include all the battles of the war on this page. If others have some more substance, they should get an own article. We'll see about that when it comes to it :) But the point of the initial ambush isn't really the fighting in of itself, but the reasons for it, which are in turn the reasons for the whole conflict. -- [[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 20:09, 23 May 2008 (UTC)