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Joe Beaudoin Jr.: Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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Text replacement - "Peter Farago" to "April Arcus"

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	I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:		I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
	:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''		:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
	However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)		However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik\|Larrik]]		:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik\|Larrik]]
	::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
	:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)

Spike: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

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	:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	: The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
			::I was right - survivor count in "Torn" shows only 13 people less, because Chadwick was executed before Apollo's report. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 00:08, 8 November 2006 (CST)

Spike: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

2006-10-31T17:01:00Z

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	:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	: The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)		: The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Spike: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

2006-10-31T16:59:45Z

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	:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	: ~~Note that~~ The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)		: The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Spike: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

2006-10-31T16:59:13Z

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	:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

			: Note that The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)

123home123: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

2006-10-31T12:21:16Z

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	Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)		Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)

	I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

123home123: /* Chadwick the collaborator */

2006-10-31T12:20:50Z

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	==Chadwick the collaborator==		==Chadwick the collaborator==
	Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)		Chadwick is the woman whose case the Circle debates about halfway through the episode. We see Chadwick's face in a photo but the character is never seen "live." Barolay says that their men on the Monarch will take care of the punishment. Presumably Chadwick was killed. Does anybody recognize the actor in the photo? Or is it an actor at all? Since no acting ability is necessary for just a single photo, it could be a friend of one of the producers or writers. Maybe even Ronald Moore's wife or David Eick's. Anyone know if this is the case? (All this is just speculation on my part, but it seems like something that could be true.) --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:28, 30 October 2006 (CST)

			I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

Philwelch: /* Screenshots */

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Screenshots

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	:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:Yeah, I know it's not Gary Cole but he looks an awful lot like him. I just thought it was a little funny. --[[User:123home123\|123home123]] 23:19, 30 October 2006 (CST)
	::Going to upload after we move servers. My connection is not stable and it might timeout. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:12, 31 October 2006 (CST)		::Going to upload after we move servers. My connection is not stable and it might timeout. [[User:Shane\|Shane]] <sup>([[User_Talk:Shane\|T]] - [[Special:Contributions/Shane\|C]] - [[Special:Editcount/Shane\|E]])</sup> 00:12, 31 October 2006 (CST)
			:He's also the very same priest who swore in Baltar. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 03:49, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==		== Friday Air - Server Idea Fix ==

Philwelch: /* Nth Exodus */

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Nth Exodus

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	:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
	::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster). 'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation. Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus\|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)		::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster). 'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation. Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus\|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)
			:::Well, Peter, that depends—if Christ were to return to Earth, we would call it the "second coming", and if one year later Christ were to return again, we would call it the "third coming". So it's not as cut and dried as you make it seem. [[User:Philwelch\|Philwelch]] 03:47, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==		== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==

Avidicus: /* Nth Exodus */

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Nth Exodus

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	:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)
	:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::Good point. Nevermind. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 07:33, 30 October 2006 (CST)
			::::Also consider this... when the humans left Kobal millenia ago, it could have been termed the 'diaspora' (i.e. the movement, migration, or scattering of a people away from an established or ancestral homeland according to Merriam-Webster). 'Exodus' is defined as a mass migration from the same resource, sure the same thing basically but I think 'diaspora' suits the departure from Kobol more, whereas 'exodus' from Caprica and New Caprica is appropriate for the situation. Oh the fun of semantics... [[User:Avidicus\|Avidicus]] 03:36, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==		== Zarek's reaction to Roslin's offer of VP ==

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	I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:		I've removed speculation along these lines several times now, as I find it completely absurd and unworthy of note:
	:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''		:''More likely, the "First Exodus" was from Kobol, as the current population didn't escape the Colonies so much as be in transit during their destruction.''
	However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)		However, other contributors seem intent on adding it back each time. I really don't think this is a reasonable line of speculation, but I'll stop deleting comments like this if other users think I should. --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 16:57, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::Maybe it's a bit peculiar that they don't include the exodus from Kobol into their count, but I think it's clear that the first one is the original flight from the Twelve Colonies. Excluding that one would more weirder than exluding the Kobol one, which is 2000 years in the past after all and outside of everyone's experience --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 17:02, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik\|Larrik]]		:::The real indicator would be what their former dating system was based on. If they reset their year at the fall of the Colonies, then that would be the first Exodus, while if they kept counting from the escape from Kobol, then we could assume that would be the first Exodus. I don't recall them mentioning any hard dates before, though. --[[User:Larrik\|Larrik]]
	::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::::No, all we get are "Karl C. Agathon, Nth day on Caprica" during the first season, and a "189 days ago" in "Epiphanies". --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 20:01, 29 October 2006 (CST)

	: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)		: I honestly think there is a problem with the flight from New Caprica being called the "Second Exodus", seeing as there are two exoduses before it: the one from Kobol and the one from the Colonies. I think this issue should be noted, because it raises a few questions. Also, we should probably ask this at [[BW:OC]] to see what is up. Thoughts anyone? -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]]</sup> 21:27, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:~~Peter Farago~~\|~~Peter Farago~~]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)		::I think it's pretty straightforward - the Exodus from Kobol was thousands of years ago, and is basically mythology in everyone's mind. If we had two catastrophic floods in a row, would we call them the Second Flood and the Third Flood in deference to the story of Noah's ark? --[[User:April Arcus\|April Arcus]] 23:50, 29 October 2006 (CST)
	:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::That's my thoughts on the matter exactly, Peter, I agree completely. --[[User:Talos\|Talos]] 00:14, 30 October 2006 (CST)
	:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)		:::That's basically what I meant above. Kobol is too far in the past for them to be of any real concern to the present --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 03:23, 30 October 2006 (CST)

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	:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:I read the note in the episode guide, which answers some of my questions. I added Chadwick's name to the note. Barolay clearly states her name. -- [[User:123home123\|123home123]] 06:20, 31 October 2006 (CST)

	: The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)		:The Circle had judged Chadwick '''before''' Apollo reported to his father about 13 people missing. I think she is included in this number, as is Jammer. Therefore I suggest moving the Chadwick paragraph to Questions or Analysis section. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 10:59, 31 October 2006 (CST)
			::I was right - survivor count in "Torn" shows only 13 people less, because Chadwick was executed before Apollo's report. -- [[User:Spike\|Spike]] 00:08, 8 November 2006 (CST)