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Serenity: deleted discussion tag

2008-01-01T21:15:23Z

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	I don't get why death disproves a character as a Cylon. We're talking about the final five here. If one of them died, they would of course not reappear on board the fleet, but could very well appear as one of the final five later. {{unsigned\|Bradtem}}		I don't get why death disproves a character as a Cylon. We're talking about the final five here. If one of them died, they would of course not reappear on board the fleet, but could very well appear as one of the final five later. {{unsigned\|Bradtem}}
	:As noted (ad nauseum) on the talk page of the Humanoid Cylon speculation article, death removes a character from suspicion because ONLY a Cylon can return from the dead. If the character returns, they are obviously a Cylon. Until the other Cylon characters are actually revealed on-air, however, we don't know who has returned (and cannot speculate further--that's fanwanking). Thus, dead is dead unless the character is truly revealed in a show. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:01, 3 March 2007 (CST)		:As noted (ad nauseum) on the talk page of the Humanoid Cylon speculation article, death removes a character from suspicion because ONLY a Cylon can return from the dead. If the character returns, they are obviously a Cylon. Until the other Cylon characters are actually revealed on-air, however, we don't know who has returned (and cannot speculate further--that's fanwanking). Thus, dead is dead unless the character is truly revealed in a show. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 23:01, 3 March 2007 (CST)

Joe Beaudoin Jr.: /* Deletion Nomination */ reply

2008-01-01T21:03:19Z

Deletion Nomination: reply

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	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

			Well, since the consensus seems to be for deletion (or indifference), I propose that anyone interested merge the content into other articles and then an admin can delete this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:03, 1 January 2008 (CST)

OTW: /* Deletion Nomination */ Bump. Are we doing anything about this?

2008-01-01T20:51:36Z

Deletion Nomination: Bump. Are we doing anything about this?

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	The main reason being that [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] covers the pros and cons of each character being a Cylon, this page just rehashes half of that information. It's name also suggests that we have ''eliminated'' characters from suspicion, and post-[[Crossroads Part II]], apart from Helo and Cally, ''anyone'' could be a Cylon.		The main reason being that [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] covers the pros and cons of each character being a Cylon, this page just rehashes half of that information. It's name also suggests that we have ''eliminated'' characters from suspicion, and post-[[Crossroads Part II]], apart from Helo and Cally, ''anyone'' could be a Cylon.

	So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)		So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)

	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Deletion Nomination */

2007-12-07T21:03:48Z

Deletion Nomination

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	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	*{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

Serenity: /* Deletion Nomination */

2007-12-07T21:03:21Z

Deletion Nomination

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	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
			*{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

Steelviper: /* Deletion Nomination */ + delete

2007-12-07T21:00:47Z

Deletion Nomination: + delete

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	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
			:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)

OTW: /* Deletion Nomination */

2007-12-07T20:49:24Z

Deletion Nomination

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	So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)		So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)

			Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)

OTW: New section: Deletion Nomination

2007-12-07T20:47:07Z

New section: Deletion Nomination

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	::The article brief says that this is a list of those we know '''for certain''' are not Cylons. As far as I see it this is limited to Cally and Helo (as we know their kids are hybrids) and Lee (who must have at least one human parent). Apart from that, everyone else is fair game. The article title needs to be changed if this is the page for "reasons why people probably aren't Cylons". [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 15:18, 30 June 2007 (CDT)		::The article brief says that this is a list of those we know '''for certain''' are not Cylons. As far as I see it this is limited to Cally and Helo (as we know their kids are hybrids) and Lee (who must have at least one human parent). Apart from that, everyone else is fair game. The article title needs to be changed if this is the page for "reasons why people probably aren't Cylons". [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 15:18, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

			== Deletion Nomination ==

			I've nominated this page for deletion.

			The main reason being that [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] covers the pros and cons of each character being a Cylon, this page just rehashes half of that information. It's name also suggests that we have ''eliminated'' characters from suspicion, and post-[[Crossroads Part II]], apart from Helo and Cally, ''anyone'' could be a Cylon.

			So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)

OTW: /* Bill and Laura */

2007-06-30T20:18:58Z

Bill and Laura

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	:There was much information removed from William Adama's entry here, and I'm wondering why. Keep in mind that this article still has relevance because not everyone can be the last one, therefore it remains a good guessing game based on episode data, no matter how twisted the outcome. The page still has relevance; if other qualifiers hold up, Helo and Cally can NOT be Cylons as they cannot reproduce Cylon-Cylon offspring. Laura's cancer leaves a great deal in question since the Cylons appear to be genetically perfect and without any issues in inherited or mutation-created diseases. For drama and history, my guess ''would'' be Bill, but we need to let events continue, and this page is germane until we know for sure, in my opinion. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 13:19, 30 June 2007 (CDT)		:There was much information removed from William Adama's entry here, and I'm wondering why. Keep in mind that this article still has relevance because not everyone can be the last one, therefore it remains a good guessing game based on episode data, no matter how twisted the outcome. The page still has relevance; if other qualifiers hold up, Helo and Cally can NOT be Cylons as they cannot reproduce Cylon-Cylon offspring. Laura's cancer leaves a great deal in question since the Cylons appear to be genetically perfect and without any issues in inherited or mutation-created diseases. For drama and history, my guess ''would'' be Bill, but we need to let events continue, and this page is germane until we know for sure, in my opinion. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 13:19, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

			::The article brief says that this is a list of those we know '''for certain''' are not Cylons. As far as I see it this is limited to Cally and Helo (as we know their kids are hybrids) and Lee (who must have at least one human parent). Apart from that, everyone else is fair game. The article title needs to be changed if this is the page for "reasons why people probably aren't Cylons". [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 15:18, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

Spencerian: /* Bill and Laura */ +comment

2007-06-30T18:19:08Z

Bill and Laura: +comment

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	OK, I've read the Podcast transcript and its very clear that RDM was talking about which characters were not going to be part of that FOUR. Thus, Bill and Laura are still in the game (and this page is basically defunct). [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 13:03, 30 June 2007 (CDT)		OK, I've read the Podcast transcript and its very clear that RDM was talking about which characters were not going to be part of that FOUR. Thus, Bill and Laura are still in the game (and this page is basically defunct). [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 13:03, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

			:There was much information removed from William Adama's entry here, and I'm wondering why. Keep in mind that this article still has relevance because not everyone can be the last one, therefore it remains a good guessing game based on episode data, no matter how twisted the outcome. The page still has relevance; if other qualifiers hold up, Helo and Cally can NOT be Cylons as they cannot reproduce Cylon-Cylon offspring. Laura's cancer leaves a great deal in question since the Cylons appear to be genetically perfect and without any issues in inherited or mutation-created diseases. For drama and history, my guess ''would'' be Bill, but we need to let events continue, and this page is germane until we know for sure, in my opinion. --[[User:Spencerian\|Spencerian]] 13:19, 30 June 2007 (CDT)

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	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

			Well, since the consensus seems to be for deletion (or indifference), I propose that anyone interested merge the content into other articles and then an admin can delete this. -- [[User:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|Joe Beaudoin]] <sup>[[User talk:Joe Beaudoin Jr.\|So say we all]] - [[Battlestar Wiki:Site support\|Donate]] - [http://www.sanctuarywiki.org Sanctuary Wiki — ''New'']</sup> 15:03, 1 January 2008 (CST)

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	The main reason being that [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] covers the pros and cons of each character being a Cylon, this page just rehashes half of that information. It's name also suggests that we have ''eliminated'' characters from suspicion, and post-[[Crossroads Part II]], apart from Helo and Cally, ''anyone'' could be a Cylon.		The main reason being that [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] covers the pros and cons of each character being a Cylon, this page just rehashes half of that information. It's name also suggests that we have ''eliminated'' characters from suspicion, and post-[[Crossroads Part II]], apart from Helo and Cally, ''anyone'' could be a Cylon.

	So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)		So I propose we merge anything useful into [[Humanoid Cylon speculation]] then set this page to redirect to that one. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:47, 7 December 2007 (CST)

	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

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	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	*{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)

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	Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)		Furthermore, the page is an [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Characters_eliminated_from_suspicion\|orphan]]. [[User:OTW\|OTW]] 14:49, 7 December 2007 (CST)
	:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)		:{{Vd}} You make a good case. Redundancy is bad enough, but orphaned redundancy...? Wasted space. --[[User:Steelviper\|Steelviper]] 15:00, 7 December 2007 (CST)
			*{{vd}} Agreed. This already presented well enough on the speculation article itself. --[[User:Serenity\|Serenity]] 15:03, 7 December 2007 (CST)